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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    While most of us on here have been riding for many of years we need to also promote newbies by cleaning trails. The clean trails will provide a nice ride for newbs and a faster trail for those of us that like to lay down the hammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I do not mind people developing a so called "FLOW", but lets face it a nice smooth trail is a lot less dangerous and more fun for even the newest of riders. While most of us on here have been riding for many of years we need to also promote newbies by cleaning trails. The clean trails will provide a nice ride for newbs and a faster trail for those of us that like to lay down the hammer. So you say BUILD THEM well I am and I hope I can get some help out there getting some of those nasty rocks off the trail, dig em up and move em out. For those that like the rocks well they can ride along the side of the trail and go through all of my moved rocks.
    If you need smooth easy trails, go to late night, live the hard trails the way they are, that will make you a better rider, not just a poser with the latest 29er, besides isn't it the whole point of riding a 29? It goes easier over obstacles?

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    troll..

    good reason to start BBT thread V2.
    This MUST be a joke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by E ! View Post
    good reason to start BBT thread V2.
    This MUST be a joke?
    Troll, no feed

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    A joke?

    Sorry if I a few peeps see things differently than I do. I have been reading these thread for many of years and never posted because nothing has caught my attention as much as this specific one. What the heck so just because someone has a different opinion than a few of you guys I am now a troll and a jerk, typical most people always use appeal to the stick arguments probably mostly uneducated peeps, well I have an education and know how to ride a bike so I will continue to ride and educate people, in the mean time those that want to help me clear trail will and those that wont will reap the benefits of us doing so.

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    There's always going to be that one (insert adjective!) who can't play well with others! So he takes his ball and goes home, just to ruin the game for everyone else..!

    So let's say you happen to ride a decent which you deem too steep for your riding "skills"! Do you intend on flattening it out to suit your liking??? Good luck with that...!

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    Despite all this talk of dumbing down, I found the little "up" after descending beginning hill (Heart Attack,I think), when traveling clockwise, to be MORE DIFFICULT, as this had been modified. Had to change my line on the fly due to missing rocks at bottom of ramp. Other than that and the psychological boost I had when riding the "modified " ledge counterclockwise (which was psychologically sketchy before), I didn't see much change. I do agree that the 29erForLife guy should leave changes to builders, or buy a road bike.
    These trail builders have greatly improved Vegas mtnbiking by creating this urban trail. Again my hat is off to the BBT buildeers!
    Now if they could install a giant fan....and temp controlled dome...

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    Cool-blue Rhythm The definition of forums

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    This is the definition of a Troll, well that and some of the women I have seen when the lights go on in the strip club. I am not going off topic, or being inflammatory or extraneous, I was merely posting my views of this trail and how I would like it to be in the near future . As for the Obstacle that WingForward was speaking of I would never go Up that I just hop it going down. Look peeps give me a break I am just trying to make one trail better for the masses.

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    I think the message is "WE" like the trail as is. Some of us have been riding it from day 1.
    "WE" would ask that you not modify it to your liking, but listen to the "Community" i.e. EVERYONE that rides it,i.e.WE.
    It would seem at this point the community members who have expressed their views do not agree with your view point.
    It is a community built trail that we prefer to be left as is.

    Thank you for your input and enjoy this "community" trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    For those that like the rocks well they can ride along the side of the trail and go through all of my moved rocks.
    Please dont let me see you out there doing this on the BBT or any other established trail that YOU did not build. NOONE would consider this trail improvement.

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    I like riding over rocks. Makes it more fun.

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    Yes bootleg is a fun downhill

    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.
    youve got a 29er...those things roll over everything right???? how fast do you plan on going? and its not like its that long, any faster and you'll be down it way too fast and have to climb out again. Why dont you do up the mountain and make a trail there....that would serve much better.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.

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    Yes 29er rolls over everything

    Yes 29er's roll over everything, but a lot of people have been switching to the 650B which are not good for rocks and some of the obstacles bcall. Is anyone doing cottonwood saturday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    Yes 29er's roll over everything, but a lot of people have been switching to the 650B which are not good for rocks and some of the obstacles bcall. Is anyone doing cottonwood saturday?
    I guess you are right.....the last time that I was out on the BBT my 26inch bike started smoking like it was ready to spontaneously combust. It was probably the fact that I was going over 20mph down Dos Amigos (which is not a speed trail, 20mph is way too fast for that trail under its current condition) and had to dodge all of those rocks. The bike obviously didnít like it and was trying to tell me something. Come to think of it, this thread has made me realize that I should buy a road bike and stick to the pavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    Yes 29er's roll over everything, but a lot of people have been switching to the 650B which are not good for rocks and some of the obstacles bcall. Is anyone doing cottonwood saturday?
    hahaha so stupid is kind of funny........

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    I hope that you are also well aware that riding with out a helmet will also make YOU smarter and faster Vegas29
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    optimal conditions now, pack 'er down!

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    I rode Bear today for first Tim in a long time. It was superb! I'm gonna ride it more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.
    I will say this to you only one time.... Not a threat, more of a warning shot across your bow.... Do not let me catch "you" altering the trail you will not like the way I act when it happens, countless hours of blood, sweat, and yes beers went into making this system( none of them by you, I know this for a FACT) and I and others are a bit protective of it.... Take it for what it is ....and if you want to see how to ride it fast ...I'd be more than happy to show you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    I will say this to you only one time.... Not a threat, more of a warning shot across your bow.... Do not let me catch "you" altering the trail you will not like the way I act when it happens, countless hours of blood, sweat, and yes beers went into making this system( none of them by you, I know this for a FACT) and I and others are a bit protective of it.... Take it for what it is ....and if you want to see how to ride it fast ...I'd be more than happy to show you!

    Now that the trailbuilder has spoken...JUST LEAVE THE TRAILS AS THEY BE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertDog View Post
    Now that the trailbuilder has spoken...JUST LEAVE THE TRAILS AS THEY BE!
    ..........and he is not alone!!

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    Let me know if you need a wingman!!

    BTW, trail was awesome after the rains!

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    Me too I love dirt so quit packing it down . Nothing better than speeding down a loose fast trail without rocks. Does anyone listen to some tunes like me while they ride? If so list yo bands. Me I like Audioslave and Korn.

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    Also just because someone claims to have built the trail does not mean its its the case, I helped build a lot of that trail IMAFred and DesertDog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Yea,I listen to Five Finger Death Punch "100 Ways to hate you"









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    I rode BBT for the first time a few days ago and I got to say what a great trail system!!!!
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    Anyone know how much further they are going to scrape (pave?) the road near the flood basin?

    Also - anyone know why rocks (and broom?!?) were added and just as quickly removed in the last few days to the trails? Didn't know if someone was setting up a course for a race or something? Just ended up rolling over what appeared to be blocked off sections to do my thing on the trail anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdk89135 View Post
    Anyone know how much further they are going to scrape (pave?) the road near the flood basin?

    Also - anyone know why rocks (and broom?!?) were added and just as quickly removed in the last few days to the trails? Didn't know if someone was setting up a course for a race or something? Just ended up rolling over what appeared to be blocked off sections to do my thing on the trail anyway.
    do you have any pics of this?

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    Sorry, didn't think to stop and take pics.

    Didn't even see the broom out there today. It was placed to block off the second half of the original trail. I didn't really see any directional or blocking rocks out there today, either except at the end of aydenator, but I wasn't sure if they had always been there.

    I'll ride the trail again tomorrow to see what's up and snap some pics if anything seems out of place.

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    Don't think they'll ever pave any further and I don't think the rocks &broom are anything to be concerned about either.


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    I drove by "the gate" where we have been parking and noticed that they have placed about 10 "NO PARKING" signs.
    So PLEASE don't park there.
    There is always RC Wileys OR may I suggest Mesa Park. It's less than a mile farther down Town Center, just past Tropicana.
    You can start there and not ride ANY pavement. You'll ride dirt up to the Flood Basin,down it to the road then right into the wash that Dos Amigos empties into.
    You can either climb up DOS, or take G-MONEY southbound.
    It will not only give you a new route but a parking lot,Bathrooms& water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knoob View Post
    I drove by "the gate" where we have been parking and noticed that they have placed about 10 "NO PARKING" signs.
    So PLEASE don't park there.
    There is always RC Wileys OR may I suggest Mesa Park. It's less than a mile farther down Town Center, just past Tropicana.
    You can start there and not ride ANY pavement. You'll ride dirt up to the Flood Basin,down it to the road then right into the wash that Dos Amigos empties into.
    You can either climb up DOS, or take G-MONEY southbound.
    It will not only give you a new route but a parking lot,Bathrooms& water.
    maybe we should cut some single track from mesa park to the bottom of g money and dos amigos.....

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    Soon(relative term) there should be a paved road, parking & bathrooms right at the bottom of that detention basin if the county gets their project in gear
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    That would rock. I was out there today and had a great ride. Wow how it's changed in 3 months. We need to get the weenies off the trail. It's sad to see all the bypasses becoming the main routes.

    Also, when did they get rid of the stanchions at the entrance to the service road?
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    Just picked up my first mountain bike 2 months ago, and just wanted to come on here and say THANK YOU for building these amazing trails. I enjoy it more and more each time i go out.

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    just read the whole tread and it just make me more stoked to move back to vegas i been riding out here in el paso , its a good time but i just spent time watching your guy videos and pics and it looks sick cant wait to ride it

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Bears Best Parking

    OK..So I'm brand new here and pretty brand new to MTB. What I am about to query here is likely to be unpopular. I rode Bears Best yesterday and it's F'n great! Thanks to whoever worked to put these trails up. I have been here twice before: Once to check it out, Once to ride. All three time the poles that would block the "Gate" are not up allowing vehicle access to the paved road back to the start at the cement wash. There are no signs saying I should not enter...I see this as an open invitation. I drive my truck to the start of the trail and park in a spot in the dirt parking area. Had a bunch of fun riding then leave. Is this wrong? Should I not drive my truck back into that area? In my mind it is much better than parking at the small "Gate" area. There is plenty of room to park vehicles in past the pavement. Just asking...am I not with the program.
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    DO NOT GO PAST THE POLES!!!!

    You ARE NOT an authorized vehicle.

    Those are only down to allow them(county) access to do repairs to the flood basins and channels.

    You could find yourself locked in!

    If you do park there,street side of the poles,stay to one side so if needed they could access it.

    You can park at either RcWiley's or better yet at Mesa Park. It's just a little further down Town Center.
    From Mesa you don't have to ride ANY pavement.

    Welcome.....enjoy the trails, but please don't go past the poles.

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    I kinda figured I shouldn't drive in there. I'll ride in for now on. Thanks for the reply. I've been reading posts here and disagree with anyone making changes to the trails. I have only been riding for several months and can make most of the challenges out there...and appreciate the ones I can't (for now). My Girlfriend can make a lot of the challenges out there and rides less than me. Any Gumby that feels the need to make it easier or safer should stay home and ride the culdesac. Kudos to the trail builders out there and pray they never start building homes in that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoob View Post
    DO NOT GO PAST THE POLES!!!!

    You ARE NOT an authorized vehicle.

    Those are only down to allow them(county) access to do repairs to the flood basins and channels.

    You could find yourself locked in!

    If you do park there,street side of the poles,stay to one side so if needed they could access it.

    You can park at either RcWiley's or better yet at Mesa Park. It's just a little further down Town Center.
    From Mesa you don't have to ride ANY pavement.

    Welcome.....enjoy the trails, but please don't go past the poles.

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    I was out at Bears Best on Christmas Day with my GF and have four things to note:

    1) Had a great ride once again.

    2) The poles that were removable for those that chose to drive in are now not removable without a key. No more questions on that subject.

    3) Some riders have been leaving tubes along side the trail - c'mon children, pick up after yourselves.

    4) Some goober was out "cleaning" the trail with a rake. He was not only brushing aside loose rocks on the trail but removing embedded rock as well. Being new to this sport I was unsure what to do (Perhaps it is one of the trail developers doing routine maintenance?). In hindsight I think it was just some wannabe trail guru (Vegas29er4Life?) causing damage to an otherwise great trail. By removing embedded rock it causes further erosion to the trail only to expose more embedded rock after a few rains. You can dig down a 100' - there will still be embedded rock. By removing material from the trail you are causing trenching which I noticed is already worsened by your "improvements" and will surely accelerate with future rainfalls. I'm a noob to MTB and am sure your vast knowledge of trail building and maintenance far surpasses my own. But I do have a solid understanding of natural resource ethics. As well I have a great appreciation of the natural terrain in our area. I believe I can speak for the majority when I say leave the trail alone. The next time I see you out digging at the trail I won't refrain from having a one on one with you about this. I will as well post a picture of you on this forum for others to laugh at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 702Biff View Post
    I was out at Bears Best on Christmas Day with my GF and have four things to note:

    Some wannabe (Vegas29er4Life?) I will as well post a picture of you on this forum for others to laugh at.
    Please.....please do!

    I also noticed a couple pvssy go around lines that I blocked off were unblocked. I re-blocked em.

    Learn to ride or walk em!!!!!

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    BB at night

    Nice trail. After talking with someone about trail at work I decided to try it out and well done for the builders. Lots of fun and has a good mix of rolling/mild tech/speed. Great views of the city at night as well.

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    I'm driving down from St. George tomorrow and would like to ride this or any other trail down there.
    I will be leaving early in the morning so if there is anyone that wants to show me this trail, just let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 702Biff View Post
    Some goober was out "cleaning" the trail with a rake. I believe I can speak for the majority when I say leave the trail alone.
    I'm sort of disappointed - was hoping to invoke a response from someone explaining their actions. After all...you had the balls to do the deed, why not stand up & defend?

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    Just did this trail the past two days. Totally fun! Reminds me of some of the trails in Loma/Kokopelli in Fruita... Good job guys!

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