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    Well I got my 700ds in mail today

    I am a newbie and it took me about good 1.5-2 hours to put the bike together with few accessories that i also bought and it did involve cutting the seatpost twice. Everything went fine, but unfortunately I cant get the gears to switch nicely and I did snap one or two lines in the cable to front derailleur (dont think its that bad). will probably bring the bike to the shop to adjust derailleurs. I also did not understand the front shock preload adjustment, and the rear shock spring MUST go. I did search a number of times for the correct size for replacement but was unsuccessful in finding any info.

    Before i had a question is 700DS with Dart2 comes with TurnKey Lockout, and I am happy to see that it does.

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    Ain't it a sturdy bike? I'm sure you'll enjoy it (i know from experience )

    So yah, i also figured out the little circular metal disk on the lockout switch is the poploc doohikie. I never really noticed it until now...

    the preload adjustment info should be in the suspension owner's manual. Note that the dart 2 has lockout, preload adjusment, and at the bottom rebound adjustment. Quality suspensions.

    Stupid for them to put a 850 lb spring there. I haven't replaced mine yet.

    Did yours come with the WTB black andonized speed rims?
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    yes it came with WTB black rims

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    About the rear spring, I contacted Kindshock thru their email and it took them 3 weeks to get back to me. They asked 3 questions ( general info ) and I responded back ASAP. Well I haven't received anything at all from them and it's been 2 months now. Anyways you can get a FOX spring that has the same ID and OD, fits perfect without having to buy a whole new shock. I bought mine here http://www.webmountainbike.com/foxcoilsprings.html

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    I understand what 450, 600 etc. means, but which do I need 2.80'', 2.xx, 3.00 ?

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    You are looking at 1.50 or 1.60. The rear shock does not have alot of travel. So at 195lbs a 500x 1.60 fox spring is just perfect

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT_DICE
    You are looking at 1.50 or 1.60. The rear shock does not have alot of travel. So at 195lbs a 500x 1.60 fox spring is just perfect

    so will this work: Vivid 500x2.5/2.75 coilspring

    http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=RS1560

    or this: Marz 2 x 500lbs ROCOSteel Coil Spring

    http://store.airbomb.com/ItemDesc.asp?IC=RS8304

    or does it need to be exactly 500x1.5/1.6 ?

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    you got it right on the last one, it has to be 1.5 or 1.6 The shock will not support anything bigger, this is due to the shock travel. The kindshock axis is a 6.5 x 1.5 shock . The dimensions on the spring are 3.75 length x 1.25 inner diameter x 1.875 outer diameter. For length I wouldn't recommend anything longer than 4 inches. You can try other springs but you'll find it hard to locate one with that ID and OD size. Those sizes are important cause if too big you will not be able to turn the lockout and it will fit loose. I ordered one on ebay for 12 bucks and it fit the shock but it was 1/4 in too big on the ID and OD, thus not allowing turning of the lockout.

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    thanks. I just got an email from directbikes and they said the size of spring is 3 1/2

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolyan2k
    thanks. I just got an email from directbikes and they said the size of spring is 3 1/2
    That sounds like length, not travel. The stock spring on the shock I got is 3.75 not 3.5. maybe they have different shocks and/or springs. Good luck in finding a spring, let me know if you find one

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    yah, please post back once you find an appropriate spring. I still haven't replaced mine, and i'm planning on doing some mad biking once final exams are over.

    If you want more ideas for "upgrading" or "improving-beyond-stock" your 700DS (without spending too much money for unnecessary things:
    Ofcourse replace spring
    i recommend adding a fender (but this is only my personal taste. i think adding fenders to any mountain bike is not only functional - not getting sh*t on your shirt - but also stylish.... hey..... who doesn't want a cool looking bike?)
    add bar-ends for extra control and leverage during those grueling climbs
    and if you're big, consider getting a longer bar or use headset-spacers to match the geometry of your body with the bike

    everything else about the bike is pretty solid. i'll add pictures soon of my 700DS.
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    I finally fixed my gears.....of course it was as easy as putting the seatpost, but since i have never done this before, it took me another hour of so. I also adjusted the fork sag.

    I will definitely post after I get the rear spring. I will also consider your ideas as far as bike accessories.

    I do have another question however: How many degrees is the rise on the stock stem ? I was thinking of getting something higher, although I dont know if I should, I am only 5'6''

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    this is what I have decided to buy so far (and i already ordered through pricepoint):

    2 Kenda Karma DTC XC Tire 26 x 2.0 DTC $29.98 In Stock
    1 SKS X-Blade Rear Fender $17.98 In Stock
    1 Cane Creek Ergo Control 2 Bar Ends $34.98 In Stock

    I pretty much thought even if I dont use the rear fender......what the hell, its only 18 bucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolyan2k
    I finally fixed my gears.....of course it was as easy as putting the seatpost, but since i have never done this before, it took me another hour of so. I also adjusted the fork sag.

    I will definitely post after I get the rear spring. I will also consider your ideas as far as bike accessories.

    I do have another question however: How many degrees is the rise on the stock stem ? I was thinking of getting something higher, although I dont know if I should, I am only 5'6''
    I wanted to raise my stem without bringing it forward so I went this route, http://www.deltacycle.com/product.php?g=9. It comes in black and is very sturdy and looks like it came with the bike.
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    You will love those tires.

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    Here is my 700, look at the shock (it has the fox spring I told you about)


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    I am on my own in terms of rear spring. Neither REI nor SkiMarket could help me. The tips I got from customer service: for my size the spring has to be 400-500 lbs and the guy said that the bike is too big for me (i got size M and I am about 5'6''). Is this really a big deal ? My standover clearance is about 1''-2''.

    I also wanna purchase an adjustable stem. I kinda liked them in the store.

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    thought about replacing the whole rear spring..............maybe spend an extra 100 and get a nicer rear shock with better spring

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    Do you feel comfortable on the bike? If you do then that's all that matters. that adjustable stem is pretty cool. Good luck with upgrading your bike.

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    so what do you guy thing of these ? will they fit ?

    Rock Shox MC3R 165mm
    X Fusion Shox 02-RC 165mm

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    First of all, i feel "honored" that you took my word about getting the fender and barends Especially the fender. Before i "discovered" them, i used to get all kinds of sh*t on my back even in the slightest of wettest weather.

    I'm sorry kolyan2k, but those huge rear suspensions won't fit. Even if you do get them on (which i can't see anybody doing without a hacksaw and hammer), the geometry of your bike will be screwed up because from what i know about those rear shocks, they are longer and bulkier than the KS schocks the bike came with. Your best bet is to replace the coil. i wouldn't go overboard with spending extra cash replacing the whole rear shox. But damn, 165 mm of travel would be nice. Do you know how much travel the stock rear shox get?

    Lol... adjustable stem. I would really just go with the headset spacers. It already comes with stock headset spacers (the individual black discs below the handlebar but above the suspension fork), so you just need to add a couple more to get the geometry right. you can get these headset spacers at any bike store.

    The barends look really nice

    Kenda Karma? I personally like the tread patterns on the stock WTB Velociraptor better (more grip as you can see the thick central lining of treads especially on the rear tire). And 2.0 inches wide? Dude, the WTB tires it came with are 2.1 inches. Haha, i'm just being nitpicky

    As with you being 5' 6'' and getting a medium, as long as you feel comfortable, who cares. As long as you don't crotch-rack yourself after bunny-hopping over a log...

    @ agentdice: Nice bike! You really took time upgrading it as i can see (new seatpost, rear shox, rims, bar, pedal, rear carry bag). Why did you switch the pedals? I'm guessing you like the platform design of the easton better than the teeth-like design of the beartrap pedals it came with? and wait, did yours come with those rims, or did it originally come with the black anodized WTB speeddisc?







    I will soon have pictures up of my bike, once the bikeshop finishes tuning up my bike!
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    You misunderstood me. The rear KS shock on 700ds is 165mm (6.5'') and has 1.5 inches of travel (I believe this is correct, I had to measure the shock eye 2 eye distance with printer paper assuming its 8.5 inches wide ). I want to get the same size air shock. Those 2 air shocks are the same size in eye 2 eye and in travel distance.

    There is a review here, and the guy wrote in his 700ds set up that he has Cane Creek AD-10 which is a similar air shock

    Also theoretically maybe you could have more travel on 700DS...maybe up to 2'' - 2.5'', but 6.5'' (165mm) eye 2eye only come with 1.5'' of travel
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    @ kolyan... Yes you are right about the shocks you are looking at, they will fit your bike

    If I were you I would get the X fusion, they both do the same exact job but you don't need a remote lockout that the RockShox has and the Xfusion will look kick ass on your bike due to the matching colors (polished black w/chrome lettering) NICE!

    The only thing you may need to get is the eyelet bushings. Before you buy the shock find out if you can get them from a store, LBS, web or direct from manufacturer. You need a 22mm wide x 10mm hole for both top and bottom.

    @ Bassmaster........Thanks Bassmaster, I had some money to spend on a bike and I decided to go with a Motobecane and use the rest to upgrade the skye stuff. The rims did not come with the bike, I did get the same black speedDiscs as everyone else. I saw the Vuleta rims on a bike and really liked them alot, so I found them on ebay and decided to get them. About the pedals, I have always liked platform pedals since I was 11 years old in BMX and Freestyle, they just feel so comfortable riding with a pair of sneakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT_DICE
    @ kolyan... Yes you are right about the shocks you are looking at, they will fit your bike

    If I were you I would get the X fusion, they both do the same exact job but you don't need a remote lockout that the RockShox has and the Xfusion will look kick ass on your bike due to the matching colors (polished black w/chrome lettering) NICE!

    The only thing you may need to get is the eyelet bushings. Before you buy the shock find out if you can get them from a store, LBS, web or direct from manufacturer. You need a 22mm wide x 10mm hole for both top and bottom.

    @ Bassmaster........Thanks Bassmaster, I had some money to spend on a bike and I decided to go with a Motobecane and use the rest to upgrade the skye stuff. The rims did not come with the bike, I did get the same black speedDiscs as everyone else. I saw the Vuleta rims on a bike and really liked them alot, so I found them on ebay and decided to get them. About the pedals, I have always liked platform pedals since I was 11 years old in BMX and Freestyle, they just feel so comfortable riding with a pair of sneakers.
    I read negative reviews about "x fusion", and i also read their manual. The shock needs alot of maintenance (oiling and often rebuilts). Looking and RockShox or Fox now. Would there be a difference in mounting the shock ? upside down or otherwise ?

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    That is good you are doing your research! Have you checked out the Cane Creek Cloud Nine? That is the one I was looking at ( has great reviews) but just getting a spring was much cheaper. I use my bike for commuting and I've gone trail riding twice in 2 months. I've decided that all I need is just the spring. Oh and mounting the shock depends on manufacturer, I read somewhere that an ideal mount is with the lockout on the bottom but that depends on the manufacturer.

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    noobie checking in

    hey all,I just bought a 700ds a week ago and must say that anyone looking for a great bike for little cash this is the one!!! I've read all the posts and now that I own and have rode one some posts make me laugh now.The brakes are amazing and the shifting is flawless.here are some pics of mine.The rear shock is a rock shox w/rebound adj.This shock is way better then the ks axis the lbc had a stock pile of older rock shox and they are only $25. http://forums.mtbr.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT_DICE
    That is good you are doing your research! Have you checked out the Cane Creek Cloud Nine? That is the one I was looking at ( has great reviews) but just getting a spring was much cheaper. I use my bike for commuting and I've gone trail riding twice in 2 months. I've decided that all I need is just the spring. Oh and mounting the shock depends on manufacturer, I read somewhere that an ideal mount is with the lockout on the bottom but that depends on the manufacturer.
    Cloud 9 is nice but I can't find it for a good price. This is the way I look at it: $50 bucks for a new spring, then why not spend $100-$150 for a used air shock, but for $225 I can get new Cloud 9.......and spending $225 for a shock on a bike that costs $600 might be pushing it

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    Yep koly, you made a point, I would not spend $200 on any shock the way I ride my bike. $50 is the right price for me. Cloud nine is one of the better shocks I have seen but I was waiting to find a cheap one on ebay (it hasn't happened yet). So I'm satisfied with just the fox spring.

    @CS69 -Dammmmm nice ride bro! them fenders really set it off.

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    @cs69: Beautiful bike!!!!!!!!!! I'm glad you like the 700DS's performance ~ it is THE awesome bike

    That rockshox rear's red color contrasts really good with the black of the bike. I was thinking of just replacing the whole rear shox from the stock like you did, but eh...
    Really diggin the fenders






    Has anyone tried this baby(700DS) out on the MTB parks? How does it perform? Once finals are over, i'm going straight over to a local MTB park. Does it soak up the jumps and obstacles decently?
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    the shock I was looking at on ebay just got sold for $200, it makes no sense to buy some junk. I am still thinking about that cloud 9. Where did u get that red Rockshox ? What's the model ?

    I could not find any used coil spring shocks

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    so far: installed rear fender, tires, and bar ends. those bar ends were highly recommended and i personally can also recommend them. they look like they belong with the bike ! tires are also nice. sure feel lighter and much less aggressive thread, which means better on-road traction and since i am not planning on jumping, and extreme mountain biking, these rubbers should be perfect for me. rear fender i am not sure about........maybe it will be off during dry conditions, have not decided yet.


    pic. are coming soon.......

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    Koly you need to post pics bro cause I need to see what a 700 looks like with bar ends. I'm still debating the whole bar end thing. I want them but then I don't need them but I want them but I don't really need them ( you see my dilema )! I really like these http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/150...n-Bar-Ends.htm

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    here you go. sorry no wheels on the bike
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    Thanks for all the props but you are all partly to thank for me choosing the 700ds.I've been looking into motobecane bikes for a month and stumbled onto this sight and WOW am I glad I did.As far as how the bike handles the ruff stuff I can tell you it doesn't bottom out on anything bigger then a curb like I've read in some of the posts.I'm 175lbs and fearless(have the doctor bills to prove it!!)and I have only got the front shock to bottom out once.I was on a down hill trail I probably did not belong on(mainly for serious rider's)and I mis judged a drop that looked less than it was and I dropped about 3.5ft - 4ft onto the front tire yes it bottomed out but it's rebound was smooth and the bike didn't care.The bike handles rough stuff great and I LOVE the seat!

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    Wow those ends look good, they do look like they came with the bike, color cordinated and all. How do you like those tires? I got the kenda klimax but they were so thin that those tumbleweed stickers were poppin' my tubes. The klimax tires were so fast rolling with no resistance and I can really feel that now with my heavy velociraptors. They were just a tad bit thicker than my inner tubes. Anyways....... ride that bike and give me an update on them tires. btw, your bike is coming along nice

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    i dont have the pump, so i have not tried out the tires.

    ends are beauty !

    and as far as rear shock goes......i am getting really pissed......so many choices, such a huge price range. i read so many positive reviews on Cloud 9 that now i am thinking about getting it. It is expensive, but you get a quality shock. You can buy a used shock from some other brand for say $100-$150 and be disappointed or spend $225 and be happy............

    will post more pictures onces i get my stem and put the wheels on.

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    You gotta also think about maintenance, an air shock will require alot of maint. and you are gonna have to check the top and bottom resevoir maybe once a month to see if they are leaking. If they do leak then you gotta purchase rebuilt kits. There is alot to think of cause of the cost of the dam things but the ride will be better. If you got the money then why not! Anyways... I did buy the titec carbon pluto bar ends, I did like the way your 700 looked so I couldn't resist. I almost got the same bar ends as you but for 9 more bucks I figure I might as well get carbon.

    Edit: Hey I just saw the Cane Creek Grips with ODI clamps that go with your bar ends, I would definetly think about it!
    http://www.canecreek.com/bars-grips.html
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    Those ends do look cool, kolyan2k.

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    Yah, after i saw kolyan's barends, i got hooked.

    I also ordered barends, the Sette XE curved alloy barends off price point (see my new thread). I'm more of a fan of longer curved barends cause i like the extra leverage they give me during climbs, so i just splurged myself on the 7'' size XE barend (hopefully that'll provide enough momentum ). Also ordered a chainstay protector seeing how badly scuffed up my last bike got from going off jumps and having the chains slap the chainstay like crazy.

    Will have these installed by next week.


    THEN I'M GOIN BIKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (final exams will be over)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT_DICE
    You gotta also think about maintenance, an air shock will require alot of maint. and you are gonna have to check the top and bottom resevoir maybe once a month to see if they are leaking. If they do leak then you gotta purchase rebuilt kits. There is alot to think of cause of the cost of the dam things but the ride will be better. If you got the money then why not! Anyways... I did buy the titec carbon pluto bar ends, I did like the way your 700 looked so I couldn't resist. I almost got the same bar ends as you but for 9 more bucks I figure I might as well get carbon.

    Edit: Hey I just saw the Cane Creek Grips with ODI clamps that go with your bar ends, I would definetly think about it!
    http://www.canecreek.com/bars-grips.html

    i did think about maintenance. all air shocks out there, especially cheap ones require tons of it. and thats the good thing about Cloud 9: lots of reviewers here wrote thats its a solid shock compared to all other brands, and cane creeks website states that it is extremely easy to rebuilt the shock (15 min. and kit is about $30)

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    That cloud 9 is really a very good, no, GREAT shock, I just can't get passed the price.

    @ bassmaster pics man , pics! I see you and your red grips are excited to go biking, nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT_DICE
    That cloud 9 is really a very good, no, GREAT shock, I just can't get passed the price.

    @ bassmaster pics man , pics! I see you and your red grips are excited to go biking, nice!
    As I said before and this is how I got over this.....
    Of course $225 is alot for a shock with 1.5" of travel for a $600 bike. But I was ready to spend $100-150 for a used one. So why not spend another $75-125 and get one of the best shocks, its gonna be new, and I don't have to guess how many lbs spring I need.

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    Dude just go for it! I really wanted this shock and now you can give me an update on how it handles. What's nice is if you gain alot of wieght all you need to do is add more air to the shock instead of buying another spring! LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT_DICE
    Dude just go for it! I really wanted this shock and now you can give me an update on how it handles. What's nice is if you gain alot of wieght all you need to do is add more air to the shock instead of buying another spring! LMAO
    Already got it. This is crazy.....now my $600 dollar bike is more like a $1000+ with all the accesories I bought. I could have had their next model with 130mm in front and 5" travel in the back. But I would have probably ended up upgrading that too

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    Where did u get it? How much? installed yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT_DICE
    Where did u get it? How much? installed yet?
    bought from here aebike.com. order is not even shipped yet. will probably get it in a week or so.

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    A-W-E-S-O-M-E rear shox dude!!! Can't wait to see pics
    yah, i can't afford those toys, so i'll stick with my KS axis coilover for now haha
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    @kolyan: What kind of cyclocomputer do you have on there? i noticed that, but i forgot to ask. My friend is actually giving me one his cyclocomputers for free (probably because he won it at a raffle-ticket drawing at the local bike shop, and he already had the one that he won :P haha), and i'm going to install it tomorrow.

    @agent_dice: i promise to get pictures as soon as i get those barends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which could possibly be the end of this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cause after i get those barends, my bike setup is most likely complete......

    ...... unless you guys have any ideas on how else i could upgrade my bike? (plz keep the price low. college tuition is hefty )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bassmaster
    @kolyan: What kind of cyclocomputer do you have on there? i noticed that, but i forgot to ask. My friend is actually giving me one his cyclocomputers for free (probably because he won it at a raffle-ticket drawing at the local bike shop, and he already had the one that he won :P haha), and i'm going to install it tomorrow.

    @agent_dice: i promise to get pictures as soon as i get those barends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which could possibly be the end of this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cause after i get those barends, my bike setup is most likely complete......

    ...... unless you guys have any ideas on how else i could upgrade my bike? (plz keep the price low. college tuition is hefty )
    its SIGMA BC1606L. bought from http://www.masherz.com/

    i cant afford that shock either but i will be upset if i spend money and get a sh1tty one

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    Got Cloud 9 today. Took KS shock off. Need spacers to fit Cloud 9. Stock spacers that came with KS are just a bit bigger. Anyone know where I can get those spacers.....before I call Cane Creek ?

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