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    No comments on the new 2014 29er Ti ??????

    Has anybody check and commented about the new 2014 Motobecane Ti options or is just that the activity on this forum is so high that the post got lost and I didn't noticed?

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    It doesn't look any different. Link?

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    I'm looking into this bike for a friend. The tapered head tube & 15mm QR are huge improvements. I asked in another thread if 2.3" tires could be mounted on the stock wheels?

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    They don't ship until August so any comments are just going to be on the paper spec. On paper they look very nice.
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    What looks good about the new frame--
    Tapered head tube
    440mm chain stays looks like the seat tube is curved for this
    69 degree head tube angle on the sm/m
    Curved downtube
    Can't tell if the seatstays are designed for some vertical compliance- that would be a plus

    The current Reba solo air fork is not as much of a plus as the 2012 dual air fork was. Much less tuning options and small bump compliance. The SID version has no small bump compliance and is a short(<2hr) race fork. Sram has a new DIG valve to address this possibly. May work on this fork. The Manitou Tower Pro is an alternative, but you need to like to tune suspensions. I'm working on mine and it is great.

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    "New 2014 Frame features shorter chain stays for billy-goat-like climbing with clearance for 2.35" tires
    Tapered Steerer tubes for razor-sharp steering response, Zero Stack headsets"

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    Here is a better picture. This new Team Fly definitely checks the boxes off for me. Tapered- check, shorter stays - check, standard shell BB - MAJOR CHECK! Just waiting to see what the frame only sales for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    I'm looking into this bike for a friend. The tapered head tube & 15mm QR are huge improvements. I asked in another thread if 2.3" tires could be mounted on the stock wheels?
    The answer might depend on the tire choice.

    I have one of these bicycles on order, the version with SRAM XO 20 Speed. Bikes Direct specifications claim that there is clearance for a 29x2.35 tire, and my understanding is that the Vuelta XRP Team 29er SL wheels are size ERTO 622x19C.

    Plans may change after I measure the bike, but my current intentions are to install 29x2.35 Schwalbe Super Moto HS 430 front and rear, initially with tubes on the wheels included in the package deal.

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    The ERTO size for that tire is 60-622, which has 60_mm maximum width, and Schwalbe's tech info says that this tire has 745_mm maximum diameter, and 678_mm diameter at maximum width.

    An ERTO 60-622 tire is designed to fit an ERTO 622x21C wheel which is 622_mm diameter and 21_mm rim width. Schwalbe's tech info says that this 60_mm width tire can be used on rim widths ranging from 19C to 29C, but if using 19C the maximum cold inflation pressure is reduced to 45_psi, while the recommended range of cold inflation pressure for the tire mounted on the 21C design rim width is from 30_psi to a maximum of 55_psi.

    You should look to see if more information is available for the tire(s) that you have in mind for this.

    Hope that helps.



    Also... Be forwarned that I am no expert on the subject of bicycles, am just parroting what I am reading in researching this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post
    The answer might depend on the tire choice.

    I have one of these bicycles on order, the version with SRAM XO 20 Speed. Bikes Direct specifications claim that there is clearance for a 29x2.35 tire, and my understanding is that the Vuelta XRP Team 29er SL wheels are size ERTO 622x19C.

    Plans may change after I measure the bike, but my current intentions are to install 29x2.35 Schwalbe Super Moto HS 430 front and rear, initially with tubes on the wheels included in the package deal.

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    The ERTO size for that tire is 60-622, which has 60_mm maximum width, and Schwalbe's tech info says that this tire has 745_mm maximum diameter, and 678_mm diameter at maximum width.

    An ERTO 60-622 tire is designed to fit an ERTO 622x21C wheel which is 622_mm diameter and 21_mm rim width. Schwalbe's tech info says that this 60_mm width tire can be used on rim widths ranging from 19C to 29C, but if using 19C the maximum cold inflation pressure is reduced to 45_psi, while the recommended range of cold inflation pressure for the tire mounted on the 21C design rim width is from 30_psi to a maximum of 55_psi.

    You should look to see if more information is available for the tire(s) that you have in mind for this.

    Hope that helps.



    Also... Be forwarned that I am no expert on the subject of bicycles, am just parroting what I am reading in researching this.
    Very much appreciate your detailed, technical response. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post

    I have one of these bicycles on order, the version with SRAM XO 20 Speed. Bikes Direct specifications claim that there is clearance for a 29x2.35 tire, and my understanding is that the Vuelta XRP Team 29er SL wheels are size ERTO 622x19C.
    I'm having a hard time deciding on the SRAM 2x10 or the Shimano 3x10 version. Could you share how you made your choice?

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    The SRAM Type 2 RD looks nice to reduce chain slap, compared to the Shimano RD-M980 "clutchless".

    Seems the SRAM 2x10 comes with the FSA 27-42T special 3 bolt crank which I've heard can be problematic? Maybe not a low enough gear for long steep climbs?

    Picture shows the Shimano 3x10 comes with the FSA 4 bolt pattern crank, though spec mentions "Afterburner 386", which are these preferred?

    I currently ride an XTR/XT 3x10 on a Gravity.6, I like it OK, but a lot of duplicate gears, so it would be a safe bet to stick with that. But am interested in having a 2x10 for the first time.

    I like how the XTR shifter can shift more that one gear at a time, don't think the SRAM XO does this.

    Please excuse the random blurbs, just trying to sort this out in time to make the pre-order price...

    I'll be using this for XC racing, but lots of hills in PA.

    Thanks for any recommendations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    I'm having a hard time deciding on the SRAM 2x10 or the Shimano 3x10 version. Could you share how you made your choice?
    I like the SRAM type 2 RD. But there is nothing wrong with Shimano. They are both very good. What I really do prefer is the SRAM grip shifter, and intend to change to those. It provides no advantage at the front, would be changing the front only to match the rear. But for the rear I have a strong preference for the grip shifter.

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    Thanks. I ended up ordering the SRAM 2x10 model as well, it has shipped and should be here next week! I basically already have the Shimano 3x10 setup on my Gravity.6 bike, and don't really like the chain slap I get with the RD-M980. So thought I'd take a chance and try something different.

    I still have my old Trek970shx from the 90's with xray grip shifters, they worked fine. I may have to try the new SRAM grip shifters...

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    FYI...Got an email from Mike of BikesDirect that the prices on these are going up, presale is ending, at 5PM EST today 8/9/13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    FYI...Got an email from Mike of BikesDirect that the prices on these are going up, presale is ending, at 5PM EST today 8/9/13.
    Prices went up $200. Interesting. Was thinking about getting one, but now that it doesn't have the XO brakes and I would want to upgrade the wheelset ASAP, the value isn't as good. Still a good deal though.

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    Got same email to buy before price increase. That plus upgrade frame finally pushed me over two hours before deadline after I had wanted the 2X10 XO for two years, they always sold out as claimed. Should arrive in three or four days, hope I get it in good condition, BD has had issues with some rough handling at manufacturer and shipping. BD does not inspect bikes, cheaper for them to deal with problems after the fact.

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    Photo linked above is from mfr, to show new (refined) frame: the component specs in photo are a custom build by mfr, not all same as on BD's 2014 Moto Sram XO 2X10 or Shimano 3X10 Ti 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    Got same email to buy before price increase. That plus upgrade frame finally pushed me over two hours before deadline after I had wanted the 2X10 XO for two years, they always sold out as claimed. Should arrive in three or four days, hope I get it in good condition, BD has had issues with some rough handling at manufacturer and shipping. BD does not inspect bikes, cheaper for them to deal with problems after the fact.
    I would have ordered a second Ti 29er hardtail if BD were offering one in a smaller size to fit the wife. They used to offer a smaller Ti 26er hardtail, but thats not available either. Either way, the crank size would need to be scaled down also, no bigger than 165mm, and that seems to sometimes get overlooked.

    Ora Engineering (located inTaichung City , Taiwan) makes the frames, and very likely could have supplied some in a smaller size.

    Frame-14MB302_Products_Ora Engineering Co., Ltd. _ Bike Frames & Parts, Tubes and Others




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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe3eb View Post
    Prices went up $200. Interesting. Was thinking about getting one, but now that it doesn't have the XO brakes and I would want to upgrade the wheelset ASAP, the value isn't as good. Still a good deal though.
    Well, I'm hoping that "Vuleta XRP Team 29er SuperLite Disc" wheel set is good enough for me, for now. I thought I'd read fairly pretty positive comments on this forum about them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    BD has had issues with some rough handling at manufacturer and shipping. BD does not inspect bikes, cheaper for them to deal with problems after the fact.
    I think this is true of the BikeIsland (sister site, scratch and dent bikes), I've bought a couple bikes from them. One was fine. The other was just about a mess of loose parts in the box, horrible packaging. Bikes were same exact model and $999 price. BI was pretty responsive regarding issues though. But don't always replace broken (shipping damage) parts with matching parts. Outer chain ring chewed though box and broke some teeth in UPS truck. They sent me one that would fit, but lower quality, not of the matching FSA Afterburner crankset on the bike. I would still buy from them, but seems a bit of a gamble what your're going to get.

    This is the first bike I've actually bought from BikesDirect. I sure hope there is no shipping damage. At this price level, I'm going to go over it very carefully. If parts come broken I'd expect exact replacements or better. Will also be checking the bottom bracket and headset for proper greasing right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post
    Ora Engineering (located inTaichung City , Taiwan) makes the frames, and very likely could have supplied some in a smaller size.

    Frame-14MB302_Products_Ora Engineering Co., Ltd. _ Bike Frames & Parts, Tubes and Others
    Interesting, I see ORA makes other parts like titanium handle bars and seat posts ...

    Also I wonder who / where the components are actually installed on the BikeDirect Ti bikes? Do they have some other third party company in Asia assemble everything? And we get to open the box and hope they did a good job.... For the price I'm fine with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Interesting, I see ORA makes other parts like titanium handle bars and seat posts ...

    Also I wonder who / where the components are actually installed on the BikeDirect Ti bikes? Do they have some other third party company in Asia assemble everything? And we get to open the box and hope they did a good job.... For the price I'm fine with that.
    My neighbor has a Ti-hardtail w/26 inch tires that he had custom built many years ago by Seven Cycles in Watertown, Ma.

    They offer a Ti 29er hardtail, and offer variants with components similar enough that it makes an interesting comparison.

    https://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/sola-sl.php


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    re: TonyPGH:

    Though ORA won't sell direct, they referred me as follows:

    Thanks for your inquired, I am sorry that we don't sell frames directly, please contact with our distributor Rikulau which information as below, thank you.
    Rikulau international.Co., Ltd.
    Contact name : Chengnon
    E-mail chengnon@rikulau.com
    Rikulau, Bikes, Road Bike, Mountain Bike

    Best Regards,

    Emily Yu 余佩芳
    ORA ENGINEERING CO., LTD.
    鈦郁工業股份有限公司
    台中市清水區和睦路一段1005巷128弄25號
    No.25, Aly. 128, Ln. 1005, Sec. 1, Hemu Rd.,
    Qingshui Dist., Taichung City 436, Taiwan R.O.C.
    ??????????
    TEL:886-4-26203076 #220
    FAX:886-4-26202690

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    Thanks, interesting information regarding the Sevencycles and Rikulau bikes...

    The Sevencycles appear too pricey for me, and the Rikulau too risky. Makes me appreciate what BikesDirect provides. A quality bike from a US company that backs it up, for a killer price (no tax and free shipping helps).

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    I got the new 2014 fly team 17.5. Everything was great. No shipping issues. No damage. For the most part only a couple things needed extra tightening. Bike rides awesome. Comes with xrp pro sl not team sl. These are 400 grams heavier but are wider and rear is 32 hole. This is better for me as I ride rough stuff daily.
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    I ordered same 2014 model in a 19", then Friday Aug 16th received a 2012 frame with straight down tube and straight head tube, in a beat up box with torn holes and open, ripped tape joint. Bike parts appeared to have been just chunked into the box loose.

    I've photographed box and frame, written letter, provided complete documentation of error, all sent by email to them Saturday and as of 12:30 pm Monday, no response.

    Hopefully they are tracking the problem and will be honest in resolving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post

    I ordered same 2014 model in a 19", then Friday Aug 16th received a 2012 frame with straight down tube and straight head tube, in a beat up box with torn holes and open, ripped tape joint. Bike parts appeared to have been just chunked into the box loose.

    I've photographed box and frame, written letter, provided complete documentation of error, all sent by email to them Saturday and as of 12:30 pm Monday, no response.

    Hopefully they are tracking the problem and will be honest in resolving.

    .

    Did you order that from Bikes Direct or Bike Island, or some other vendor?

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    I ordered from BD at $2199, thru PayPal, after getting Mike's warning that price was going up at 5pm EST. When I ordered, incorrect photo of bike was above the description, which noted upgrades and stated photo was wrong. I asked and "Karla" at BD emailed a correct photo from mfr or distr, with same down tube and head tube shown on yours. A day or so later, BD corrected the photo.

    My beat up box has "12 NOV." on the outside, which likely means November of 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    I ordered same 2014 model in a 19", then Friday Aug 16th received a 2012 frame with straight down tube and straight head tube, in a beat up box with torn holes and open, ripped tape joint. Bike parts appeared to have been just chunked into the box loose.
    I ordered the 19" 2014 Fly Team Titanium SRAM XO 20 Speed on Aug 8th from BD, and received it Aug 14th. It is the new frame and was in fine shape. There was a bushing on the front hub that had popped off, I had to press back in. I haven't had a chance to fully assemble or ride it yet...

    Pretty sure the price went up to $2399 on 9Aug 5pm EST on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alin View Post
    I got the new 2014 fly team 17.5. Everything was great. No shipping issues. No damage. For the most part only a couple things needed extra tightening. Bike rides awesome. Comes with xrp pro sl not team sl. These are 400 grams heavier but are wider and rear is 32 hole. This is better for me as I ride rough stuff daily.
    Mine also came with the Vuelta "Pro SL" wheelset instead of the "Team SL", that was originally listed during pre sale. Seems a lower spec/price wheelset. I'm not sure I'm happy about it, and emailed BD. I'm 150lbs and plan on XC racing this thing, and wanted it light as possible out of the box.

    I haven't heard of any durability issues with the "Team SL" vs. the "Pro SL"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    I ordered from BD at $2199, thru PayPal, after getting Mike's warning that price was going up at 5pm EST. When I ordered, incorrect photo of bike was above the description, which noted upgrades and stated photo was wrong. I asked and "Karla" at BD emailed a correct photo from mfr or distr, with same down tube and head tube shown on yours. A day or so later, BD corrected the photo.

    My beat up box has "12 NOV." on the outside, which likely means November of 2012.
    They are and were listing the remaining 2013 models as well as the new 2014 models on their website, and the prices were the same at the time of the preorder on the 2014 models. Make sure you didn't order the 2013 models by mistake.

    I bought a 15.5 inch 2014 model with the 2x10 SRAM XO deraileurs, and my invoice shows:

    Item #
    "H Fly 29er Team SCORE XO Ti XIV 15.5M Prepay"

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    "FLY 29er TEAM SCORE XO Ti XIV || PreSALE Ships Aug 6-8th"


    What does your invoice show?

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    So then it means that there won't be a less expensive package with the new frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edil View Post
    So then it means that there won't be a less expensive package with the new frame.
    What indicates anything like that?

    They could offer a bare frame or a frame and fork package. They might offer a 2x10 package with SRAM X7 or X9 type 2 derailleur, etc. With recent growing interest in 1x11, they might offer a SRAM XO1 rear derailleur, XG1195 cassette and XO1 104mm BCD chainring on a less expensive FSA crank and BB. There are a lot of possibilities.

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    It is weird how they still have four old frame Ti 29er bikes on the website, and only two models with the new frame. The old ones are practically sold out. Maybe once they move the old frames off the website they'll introduce more new frame models.

    I'd assume there is nobody the would prefer the old frame over the new?

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    I ve been looking over bike direct for a while waiting to finally get a fly team and they have always just had a fly team in x0 and xtr. They also have always had a frame and fork option and a fantom with x9. I know from talking with bd that the fantom will be available in October. I assume this will be with the new frame. The frame only option will also be offered some time in the near future. They will continue to offer old frame till they sell out but I don't think anyone will buy them unless they nock off a couple hundred bucks.

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    Anyways it seems that for the old frames large is the only option left.

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    2013 Fly team XO 2X10 29ers had been sold out at BD for many months (all gone for 6 months +/-) and was not offered as an option when I selected the 2014 for $2199 at 2pm on 9 August, a few hours before the 5pm EST price increase deadline.

    Subsequently, BD said I was stuck with the 2013 bike they sent because I had selected 2013 (never mind that this was not possible), unless I wanted to pay an upgrade + shipping.

    I contacted a PayPal Dispute Rep who gave me the exact transaction URL for my Aug 9 purchase: "2014 Motobecane Team 29er Titanium Sram XO 2X10 Speed Size 19". Whereupon BD suddenly back-pedaled on where the responsibility lay and now I've returned the 2013 at their expense and the 2014 is on its way to me. Now BD blames their own software-price coding for a rare anomaly.

    In order to make the beat up box shippable, I used additional cardboard and literally an entire new roll of packing tape. The entire process of photo documenting, several emails with BD, repairing the box and securing parts that had been loose in the box with bubble wrap all took over four hours outta my life, not counting time between emails.

    Moral of the story: Always, Always, Always Use PayPal.

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    Wow, that really sucked! Glad that didn't happen to me. Let's hope the new bike arrives in great shape and it's all smooth sailing from there...

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    I read several poor reviews of FSA crank (that is on BD's Ti XO 2X10 29er) that it loosens after 8-12 miles, mostly left side, won't stay tight. It is married to a specific BB. What do riders recommend as a more dependable replacement? I've seen several of the FSA's cheap on ebay, so presume people are disappointed and changing.

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    My fsa crank hasn't loosened yet after 100 miles or so. It is not abnormal to need to retighten some things after the first few rides as things settle in to place so to speak. I m sure only a few people have had that loosening problem. I wouldnt group all FsA cranks in that anomaly. You got to assume that a small percentage of all products will fail just due to chance of an imperfect production. You gotta hope that it doesn't happen to you. For instance, brakes. I have read many gripes about avid brakes. Once I started reading xt/xtr reviews. I was seeing the same gripes for the most part and xt/xtr are suppose to be the best.

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    I'm seriously considering this bike and yesterday I saw a guy with the old frame bike. He told me that he bought the frame with Bike Island and build it himself and he was very happy and the frame looks solid. I told him about the new frame and seemed interested.

    My concern is about selecting the right size. It happened that back in 2004 I spent $1,600 on a Gary Fisher bike just to find out that the size wasn't right for me. The top tube was too long and after riding it for 30 minutes I got very pronounced pain in the base of the neck and rhomboids. I'm 6' 33.5" inseam and I think that the 17.5" will be the best option for me. The Gary Fisher was 19".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edil View Post
    I'm seriously considering this bike and yesterday I saw a guy with the old frame bike. He told me that he bought the frame with Bike Island and build it himself and he was very happy and the frame looks solid. I told him about the new frame and seemed interested.

    My concern is about selecting the right size. It happened that back in 2004 I spent $1,600 on a Gary Fisher bike just to find out that the size wasn't right for me. The top tube was too long and after riding it for 30 minutes I got very pronounced pain in the base of the neck and rhomboids. I'm 6' 33.5" inseam and I think that the 17.5" will be the best option for me. The Gary Fisher was 19".
    A 17" for someone 6 feet tall...? I'm 6'1" about the same inseam and I hopped on my buddy's medium Trek Fuel EX 7 the other day and it felt like I was riding a little kid's bike... FWIW I ride an XL Fly Ti 29er with a 90mm, 0 degree Thomson stem and 730mm Thomson carbon bars and I couldn't be more comfortable. YMMV.

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    My old 26" was a 20" large with a 24" ETT.
    My current 2014 fly team 29" is 17.5" medium has a 23.5" ETT roughly.
    Both fit me about the same. Don't look at the bike size. Ultimately the ETT is the best indicator of the bikes fit. The fly teams tend to be longer than most bikes ETT wise. I'm 6' 33" inseam and my 17.5" fits perfect. Ie.. ETT= effective top tube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alin View Post
    My old 26" was a 20" large with a 24" ETT.
    My current 2014 fly team 29" is 17.5" medium has a 23.5" ETT roughly.
    Both fit me about the same. Don't look at the bike size. Ultimately the ETT is the best indicator of the bikes fit. The fly teams tend to be longer than most bikes ETT wise. I'm 6' 33" inseam and my 17.5" fits perfect. Ie.. ETT= effective top tube
    That's what I'm talking about and I was looking for that advice. Later on I will post the measurements of the GF for you to compare and advice. I did as althatisman, change the stem for a shorter when more raise, move the saddle all the way to the front, etc but it didn't help at all and I had to sell the bike at a bargain price loosing money in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edil View Post

    I'm seriously considering this bike and...

    My concern is about selecting the right size...

    I'm 6' 33.5" inseam and I think that the 17.5" will be the best option for me.

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    They currently have only the 19_inch and 21_inch sizes listed for both the 2x10 and 3x10 versions. I noticed that the 15.5_inch size in both versions sold out during the presale, and it hasn't taken long for them to sell out in the 17.5_inch size in both versions.

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    FYI in case anyone is considering the 19" since the 17.5" is sold out. The 19" is only an inch longer ETT than the 17.5". You can shorten that in a number of ways if you really wanted to. Shorter stem, move seat up, a riser bar would even help feel more upright. The fly team seat post actually curves backward. A strait seat post would probably be an inch further forward.

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    Edil: The bike (Team Ti 29er) in a 17 1/2 would be too small for you. I am 5-11 with long arms and legs and the 19" is only barely big enough.

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    I'm 5'11" with 34" inseam, and my 19" 2014 Ti 29er is the right size for me. I think a 17.5" would be too small.

    I suppose you can make cockpit adjustments either way by changing seat post, stem, handle bars.

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    Edil: I should have mentioned my inseam is 33" and for a long sleeve shirt, I buy a 35" sleeve. At 5-11, a 19" 2014 Moto Ti 29er is barely big enough. The bike has a mix of quality, but the high quality Ritchey PRO 4-AXIS stem is fairly long, fits perfectly.

    17 1/2" is too small for your dimensions. The BD size recommendations are rough, relative leg and arm length are the drivers.

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    Here are the measurements of the 2004 GF X-caliber 19" frame bike that I had:

    Head tube angle
    71.0mm - 2.78"
    Fork offset
    38.1mm - 1.5"
    Trail
    80mm - 3.15"
    Seat tube angle
    73.5mm - 2.89"
    Effective top tube
    628mm - 24.72"
    Seat tube standover
    479mm - 18.86"
    Wheelbase
    1108mm - 43.62"
    Bottom bracket height
    270mm - 10.63"
    Chainstay
    445mm - 17.52"
    Head tube
    90mm - 3.54"

    All I know is that those numbers doesn't work for me, strong pain in the neck and rhomboids no matter how many changes of stem and movement of saddle.

    Later on I will be posting my full body measurements.

    Anyways I did ask this already. I was waiting for a lower cost package to came out with the new frame, for example the $1,799. Now you are telling me that the 17.5 is gone so Does that means that it won't be available anymore?

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    I think the smaller 2014 Ti frame sizes will be available again. It just means they've sold out of all those size frames in the first batch. But I can't say when they will get those sizes again. You could try emailing them, they're usually pretty prompt with responding. Unless it works differently with these Ti frames...

    I also imagine they will phase out all the old Ti frame models, and introduce more models with the new 2014 Ti frame.

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    Bike direct restockes fly team twice a year spring and fall. I don't expect that they will have more till march ish. This is what I ve gathered through my research. I have been in the hunt for about six months myself and just finally got one. The fantom ti 29 er similar bike but with x9 package will be restocked in October and is only 1800. That's what I was gonna get myself but couldn't wait till October so I sprung for the fly team. I would expect that they will be using the new frame also for the fantom. If your old bike was giving you problems you should talk to some bike techs at a shop to figure out why. Your old ETT was about the same as the fly team large 19". If the problem was a bike that was too big the 17.5" might be the solution, but it could be something else.

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    Another guy who 5'11" with a 19" and very happy but I'm not you. Best bang for your buck bike there is. Friends are jealous and find myself asking what their frames are made out of just to piss em off.

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    Wrong wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Mine also came with the Vuelta "Pro SL" wheelset instead of the "Team SL", that was originally listed during pre sale. Seems a lower spec/price wheelset. I'm not sure I'm happy about it, and emailed BD. I'm 150lbs and plan on XC racing this thing, and wanted it light as possible out of the box.

    I haven't heard of any durability issues with the "Team SL" vs. the "Pro SL"?
    I'm in the same boat as you. I realize that this bike is a killer deal despite the wheel down grade but still, the fact is I bought something with the expectation of receiving what is advertised. Anyways, could you let me know what, if any, response you get from BD regarding the wheels. If they are willing to exchange them for the Teams I'd likely go for it because there is a significant weight difference between them, like over 300 grams. If it were 100g I might not care but that's allot of weight and I'm a bit of a weenie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmessenger View Post
    Anyways, could you let me know what, if any, response you get from BD regarding the wheels.
    Here's my initial email to them:
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    Thank you, I received my bike in good condition! But haven't had a chance to complete assembly or ride it yet…

    I did notice it shipped with a lower spec Vuelta "Pro SL" instead of the "Team SL" wheelset I was expecting, as was listed at the time I pre ordered. What is the deal with that, why were they substituted? Can I exchange these for the wheelset that it was supposed to come with?

    I'm a 150lbs and will be XC racing this bike, was hoping for light as possible out of the box.
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    After a bit of a go around, here is BD's final response:
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    I spoke to the office and was told that the wheels you received are the updated 2014 Pro SL wheels that are an upgrade over last year's team SL wheels. They are so new that they are not even on Vuelta's website yet. We were told by Motobecane that the bike would have the Team SL's but when it came time for production/shipping they had changed to the newer Pro SL wheel that works with the 15mm thru axle instead of the older Team SL wheels (QR only) and had not informed us until we received the bikes so the listing was changed to accurately reflect what the bikes shipped with. Motobecane just gave us the incorrect information in the first place, as the hub section in your listing says QR instead of 15m thru axle. A regular QR hub would not work with that 15mm Maxle Lite fork.

    The manufacturer did not give us a choice of wheels so unfortunately we are unable to offer you a choice of wheels.

    In the bicycle industry, suppliers and factories sometimes change specs without notice and state that they are "subject to change without notice". This is because bicycles are made from hundreds of parts which come from dozens of vendors. Parts are sometimes updated to the most current production generation/iteration one gets better or more current parts or a comparable part. For example, 12-25 instead of 11-25T cassette or 52T chainring instead of 53T ring. In this case, Motobecane used the newer 2014 Pro SL wheelset with 15mm thru axle instead of last year's Team SL wheels (QR only), as they felt the more current Pro SLs were an improvement over the older Team SL's.

    We attempt to be as accurate as possible and eliminate errors on the Site; however, we do not warrant that any product, service, description, photograph, pricing or other information is accurate, complete, reliable, current or error-free. In the event of an error, whether on the Site, in an order confirmation, in processing an order, delivering a product or service or otherwise, we reserve the right to correct such error and revise your order accordingly if necessary (including charging the correct price) or to cancel the order and refund any amount charged. Your sole remedy in the event of such error is to cancel your order and obtain a refund.

    Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

    Enjoy your new bike.
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    Which I did except, because I'm unsure and wasn't going to return the whole bike over it.

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    Did you guys saw the review it have the XTR crank even that on the bikedirect it say it have a FSA one.
    Something dont seem right.

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    I saw the first photo of the Sram XO 2X10 Moto ti 29er, sent by my request by BD to my email, before it was up on the BD site, because I wanted to see the new frame: that photo originated from Taiwan manufacturer and had custom components on it not applicable to the one for sale. The actual components are per BD's list and same as on the one I bought from them, though they first sent the wrong bike, then, with PayPal's intervention, I got BD to swap for correct bike.

    Always use PayPal to buy from BD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post

    I'm 150lbs and plan on XC racing this thing, and wanted it light as possible out of the box.
    Have you seen Derby's carbon rims? I have no personal experience with these, but if you are planning on racing, I think these might be worth looking into.

    http://www.derbyrims.com

    I think that if you are going to race, it might be worth having race specific wheelsets different from the heavier cheaper reliable sets that you train on. A light wheelset would be advantageous in a race. But if you damage your light racing wheelset in training, and those are the only wheelsets that you have, you can't race until the damaged wheelset is fixed. Likewise, if you damage a wheelset in a race, you could still ride on your training set until you get the lighter set repaired or replaced.

    Just a suggestion... not trying to spend your money for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post
    Have you seen Derby's carbon rims? I have no personal experience with these, but if you are planning on racing, I think these might be worth looking into.
    Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check them out. But I don't think my budget can afford any new rims right now. Planning to make due with what came on the bike.

    It doesn't seem the Kenda Small Block 8 tires have enough traction for the wet muddy conditions I often ride in. I'm looking for some new rubber with more grip.

    Also I've never done tubeless. But I'm strongly considering trying a Stans tubeless conversion kit with these rims. I'd like to run lower psi, and I've already had a couple flat tires on this bike.

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    Tony PGH:

    I've just gotten roof rack necessary to get me to trails, haven't ridden my new ti 29er, and figured Kenda tread looked too low for mud and wet leaves. May swap now and skip the sliding and flats.

    What situation caused your flat tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    What situation caused your flat tires?
    Sometimes I will ride on the roadside to the trails. Got a flat on the front from some glass on the roadside. Got a flat on the rear from a small thorn on the trails. I'm not really blaming the tire for what it is, light & fast, but seems a little delicate. I've rode my other bike (WTB Prowler SL 29x2.1) many times over the same route and have never had a flat. Could be just luck.

    I weighed my SB8 tire on a kitchen scale at 600g. I like the SB8 OK for the right conditions, fast dry hard pack trails.

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    Good job! Whats the deal with the wheels?

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Here's my initial email to them:
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    Thank you, I received my bike in good condition! But haven't had a chance to complete assembly or ride it yet…

    I did notice it shipped with a lower spec Vuelta "Pro SL" instead of the "Team SL" wheelset I was expecting, as was listed at the time I pre ordered. What is the deal with that, why were they substituted? Can I exchange these for the wheelset that it was supposed to come with?

    I'm a 150lbs and will be XC racing this bike, was hoping for light as possible out of the box.
    --

    After a bit of a go around, here is BD's final response:
    --
    I spoke to the office and was told that the wheels you received are the updated 2014 Pro SL wheels that are an upgrade over last year's team SL wheels. They are so new that they are not even on Vuelta's website yet. We were told by Motobecane that the bike would have the Team SL's but when it came time for production/shipping they had changed to the newer Pro SL wheel that works with the 15mm thru axle instead of the older Team SL wheels (QR only) and had not informed us until we received the bikes so the listing was changed to accurately reflect what the bikes shipped with. Motobecane just gave us the incorrect information in the first place, as the hub section in your listing says QR instead of 15m thru axle. A regular QR hub would not work with that 15mm Maxle Lite fork.

    The manufacturer did not give us a choice of wheels so unfortunately we are unable to offer you a choice of wheels.

    In the bicycle industry, suppliers and factories sometimes change specs without notice and state that they are "subject to change without notice". This is because bicycles are made from hundreds of parts which come from dozens of vendors. Parts are sometimes updated to the most current production generation/iteration one gets better or more current parts or a comparable part. For example, 12-25 instead of 11-25T cassette or 52T chainring instead of 53T ring. In this case, Motobecane used the newer 2014 Pro SL wheelset with 15mm thru axle instead of last year's Team SL wheels (QR only), as they felt the more current Pro SLs were an improvement over the older Team SL's.

    We attempt to be as accurate as possible and eliminate errors on the Site; however, we do not warrant that any product, service, description, photograph, pricing or other information is accurate, complete, reliable, current or error-free. In the event of an error, whether on the Site, in an order confirmation, in processing an order, delivering a product or service or otherwise, we reserve the right to correct such error and revise your order accordingly if necessary (including charging the correct price) or to cancel the order and refund any amount charged. Your sole remedy in the event of such error is to cancel your order and obtain a refund.

    Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

    Enjoy your new bike.
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    Which I did except, because I'm unsure and wasn't going to return the whole bike over it.
    Fair enough. After thinking about this, I'm not all that upset. I completely accept their responce. I had a suspician that it may have to do with the thru axle at the front, and to be nit picking over this concidering the business model and extremely good prices, last minute changes like this are going to happen and besides its not a bad wheel.
    Thanks for posting the response. Overall, my BD experiance has been great.

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    Tires for the wet.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check them out. But I don't think my budget can afford any new rims right now. Planning to make due with what came on the bike.

    It doesn't seem the Kenda Small Block 8 tires have enough traction for the wet muddy conditions I often ride in. I'm looking for some new rubber with more grip.

    Also I've never done tubeless. But I'm strongly considering trying a Stans tubeless conversion kit with these rims. I'd like to run lower psi, and I've already had a couple flat tires on this bike.
    I live on Vancouver Island in BC and hear you regarding the SB8s, great for dry hardpack-even road but not great in moist conditions we have here. I did a bunch of reading and chose the very light Maxxis Beaver(500g) for the rear and Schwalbe Rocket Ron 2.25 front. I find them to be very good thus far with both being fairly light with bigger knobs well spaced allowing the muck to fling off. Despite the larger knobs this combo roll quite well due to the low weight. Both tires have great reviews and I can personally recommend them for the wet.

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    Mountain King 29 x 2.4

    I won some new tires at my last race event. A lower cost Mountain King 29 x 2.4 with wire bead! Not what I would buy myself, but for free I thought I'd try them a while. I weighted them 880g each new, vs the Kenda SB8 which were 600g.



    Been riding them a few weeks, no rubbing but close:





    For comparison, just MK on back and SB8 on front:



    I feel like I'm riding monster truck tires compared to the SB8.

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    it would tick even more boxes with 1x10 and internal routing

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    Quote Originally Posted by boubla View Post
    it would tick even more boxes with 1x10 and internal routing
    Yeah, once I'm in the woods I find I never go into the big ring up front. I only use it if I ride to the trail head on the road. Been considering stripping this down to 1x10.

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    I posted a build/first ride review of the 19" XX version last night:
    Motobecane FLY Team 29 Titanium after 2 years review.

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    Just received the new 2014 Moto Fly Team 29er from BD last week. First 29er and was hesitant because of short leg syndrome but having it my entire life, I can deal with no clearance between my crotch and cross bar on the 15.5 inch frame.

    Shipped and arrived when stated and assembly was an hour and tweaking adjustments over the next couple days for another hour or so. Almost sent it back for one reason and one reason only. --The bottle holder bolts are very poorly positioned. The 15.5 size frame states that it will have only one bottle mount. Fine. Mine came with two and they are welded way high on each bar. The seat tube mount is so high that its top bolt prevents my seat post from lowering to my ideal height. The fix was to turn the Ritchey post backwards (it has a mitered cut on the bottom that makes it drop about an inch lower.

    Had already ordered a KS LEV dropper post so when that arrived was ready to send back because the dropped height was at around two inches lower than my ideal ride height. Not worth the $360 for only a two inch dropper.

    My first mod (besides Reflector tape for my nightly commute) was a cold chisel, a two pound hammer and a few mean swings to bust the upper water cage bolt out from inside the tube. Weld did not want to crack at first (hence the 2lb hammer) removed the nut weld, caulked the hole and wallah a tube that would accept the full lengths of my seat posts.

    The other bottle mount is just too high and limits the type of bottles you can use. Not the deal breaker as the other one. BTW I did not send it back because I have been waiting anxiously for this bike and just to repackage and put it in the box would have been a challenge.

    Performance and finish are what is expected at this price point and components. 29 inch wheels, rock gardens that would have been walked through with the 26 are just rocks in the trail now and I am still amazed what this goes over. Hills… What hills? clipped in and full power circles are effortless on short climbs and you have all the gearing needed for the long climbs.

    My daily commute is 1.5 mile neighborhood streets 5 miles pre road (graded with 6 inch and smaller rocks) BUMPY but 90% downhill and finish with about 1.5 miles highway shoulder and 1.5 miles resort road shoulder. A blast to get there but a bugger to climb at 11:00 pm after 8 hours on the feet.

    Haven't had the fun leisure ride with the gang yet but I am enjoying every time I straddle that brick of a saddle for my off road commute.

    Overall, I am very happy with the bike and will consider them for FS when the time comes.

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    Just like to give an update on my ti 29er.
    So far everything has worked perfectly. I have upgraded and replaced various parts over time to better suited my riding style which is less XC and more trail or even AM.
    I did get an annoying creak but solved it after reading a similar story where the problem was where the rear wheel mounts and not the crank that I'd thought. Actually, the crank has impressed me last g through a wet muddy BC fall and winter. I destroyed my front wheel doing something stupid and heading straight into a pile of boulders and so upgraded to Hope hoops crest. The rear I'd already upgraded to Italian Formula Volo which has proven to be smooth and tough.
    I tweaked my stem and bars with a 60mm stem and 720mm bar for better downhill performance but this change hasn't caused the front to pop up either which is nice.
    I'm still improving as a rider on this thing. It's easy to go up hills being so light but I wouldn't say it jumps with every pedal stroke like a stiffer carbon frame but it's smooth through even rough gullies take g out the ping of hits allows better control and last all day without being beat up. It also loves being popped into the air over obstacles. Very toss able for a 29"er. Been trying g some fast drops on a particular trail that aren't high just sketchy on windy single track with freaking trees everywhere. Been thrown a few times but thankfully no direct tree hits.

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    I agree completely. This bike is awesome. I want to ask you about the creek. What exactly did you have to do to your drop outs to eliminate the creaking.

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