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    No comments on the new 2014 29er Ti ??????

    Has anybody check and commented about the new 2014 Motobecane Ti options or is just that the activity on this forum is so high that the post got lost and I didn't noticed?

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    It doesn't look any different. Link?

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    I'm looking into this bike for a friend. The tapered head tube & 15mm QR are huge improvements. I asked in another thread if 2.3" tires could be mounted on the stock wheels?

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    They don't ship until August so any comments are just going to be on the paper spec. On paper they look very nice.
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    What looks good about the new frame--
    Tapered head tube
    440mm chain stays looks like the seat tube is curved for this
    69 degree head tube angle on the sm/m
    Curved downtube
    Can't tell if the seatstays are designed for some vertical compliance- that would be a plus

    The current Reba solo air fork is not as much of a plus as the 2012 dual air fork was. Much less tuning options and small bump compliance. The SID version has no small bump compliance and is a short(<2hr) race fork. Sram has a new DIG valve to address this possibly. May work on this fork. The Manitou Tower Pro is an alternative, but you need to like to tune suspensions. I'm working on mine and it is great.

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    "New 2014 Frame features shorter chain stays for billy-goat-like climbing with clearance for 2.35" tires
    Tapered Steerer tubes for razor-sharp steering response, Zero Stack headsets"

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    Here is a better picture. This new Team Fly definitely checks the boxes off for me. Tapered- check, shorter stays - check, standard shell BB - MAJOR CHECK! Just waiting to see what the frame only sales for.


    Here is a bigger image
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...0-xiv_2100.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    I'm looking into this bike for a friend. The tapered head tube & 15mm QR are huge improvements. I asked in another thread if 2.3" tires could be mounted on the stock wheels?
    The answer might depend on the tire choice.

    I have one of these bicycles on order, the version with SRAM XO 20 Speed. Bikes Direct specifications claim that there is clearance for a 29x2.35 tire, and my understanding is that the Vuelta XRP Team 29er SL wheels are size ERTO 622x19C.

    Plans may change after I measure the bike, but my current intentions are to install 29x2.35 Schwalbe Super Moto HS 430 front and rear, initially with tubes on the wheels included in the package deal.

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    The ERTO size for that tire is 60-622, which has 60_mm maximum width, and Schwalbe's tech info says that this tire has 745_mm maximum diameter, and 678_mm diameter at maximum width.

    An ERTO 60-622 tire is designed to fit an ERTO 622x21C wheel which is 622_mm diameter and 21_mm rim width. Schwalbe's tech info says that this 60_mm width tire can be used on rim widths ranging from 19C to 29C, but if using 19C the maximum cold inflation pressure is reduced to 45_psi, while the recommended range of cold inflation pressure for the tire mounted on the 21C design rim width is from 30_psi to a maximum of 55_psi.

    You should look to see if more information is available for the tire(s) that you have in mind for this.

    Hope that helps.



    Also... Be forwarned that I am no expert on the subject of bicycles, am just parroting what I am reading in researching this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post
    The answer might depend on the tire choice.

    I have one of these bicycles on order, the version with SRAM XO 20 Speed. Bikes Direct specifications claim that there is clearance for a 29x2.35 tire, and my understanding is that the Vuelta XRP Team 29er SL wheels are size ERTO 622x19C.

    Plans may change after I measure the bike, but my current intentions are to install 29x2.35 Schwalbe Super Moto HS 430 front and rear, initially with tubes on the wheels included in the package deal.

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    The ERTO size for that tire is 60-622, which has 60_mm maximum width, and Schwalbe's tech info says that this tire has 745_mm maximum diameter, and 678_mm diameter at maximum width.

    An ERTO 60-622 tire is designed to fit an ERTO 622x21C wheel which is 622_mm diameter and 21_mm rim width. Schwalbe's tech info says that this 60_mm width tire can be used on rim widths ranging from 19C to 29C, but if using 19C the maximum cold inflation pressure is reduced to 45_psi, while the recommended range of cold inflation pressure for the tire mounted on the 21C design rim width is from 30_psi to a maximum of 55_psi.

    You should look to see if more information is available for the tire(s) that you have in mind for this.

    Hope that helps.



    Also... Be forwarned that I am no expert on the subject of bicycles, am just parroting what I am reading in researching this.
    Very much appreciate your detailed, technical response. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post

    I have one of these bicycles on order, the version with SRAM XO 20 Speed. Bikes Direct specifications claim that there is clearance for a 29x2.35 tire, and my understanding is that the Vuelta XRP Team 29er SL wheels are size ERTO 622x19C.
    I'm having a hard time deciding on the SRAM 2x10 or the Shimano 3x10 version. Could you share how you made your choice?

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    The SRAM Type 2 RD looks nice to reduce chain slap, compared to the Shimano RD-M980 "clutchless".

    Seems the SRAM 2x10 comes with the FSA 27-42T special 3 bolt crank which I've heard can be problematic? Maybe not a low enough gear for long steep climbs?

    Picture shows the Shimano 3x10 comes with the FSA 4 bolt pattern crank, though spec mentions "Afterburner 386", which are these preferred?

    I currently ride an XTR/XT 3x10 on a Gravity.6, I like it OK, but a lot of duplicate gears, so it would be a safe bet to stick with that. But am interested in having a 2x10 for the first time.

    I like how the XTR shifter can shift more that one gear at a time, don't think the SRAM XO does this.

    Please excuse the random blurbs, just trying to sort this out in time to make the pre-order price...

    I'll be using this for XC racing, but lots of hills in PA.

    Thanks for any recommendations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    I'm having a hard time deciding on the SRAM 2x10 or the Shimano 3x10 version. Could you share how you made your choice?
    I like the SRAM type 2 RD. But there is nothing wrong with Shimano. They are both very good. What I really do prefer is the SRAM grip shifter, and intend to change to those. It provides no advantage at the front, would be changing the front only to match the rear. But for the rear I have a strong preference for the grip shifter.

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    Thanks. I ended up ordering the SRAM 2x10 model as well, it has shipped and should be here next week! I basically already have the Shimano 3x10 setup on my Gravity.6 bike, and don't really like the chain slap I get with the RD-M980. So thought I'd take a chance and try something different.

    I still have my old Trek970shx from the 90's with xray grip shifters, they worked fine. I may have to try the new SRAM grip shifters...

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    FYI...Got an email from Mike of BikesDirect that the prices on these are going up, presale is ending, at 5PM EST today 8/9/13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    FYI...Got an email from Mike of BikesDirect that the prices on these are going up, presale is ending, at 5PM EST today 8/9/13.
    Prices went up $200. Interesting. Was thinking about getting one, but now that it doesn't have the XO brakes and I would want to upgrade the wheelset ASAP, the value isn't as good. Still a good deal though.

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    Got same email to buy before price increase. That plus upgrade frame finally pushed me over two hours before deadline after I had wanted the 2X10 XO for two years, they always sold out as claimed. Should arrive in three or four days, hope I get it in good condition, BD has had issues with some rough handling at manufacturer and shipping. BD does not inspect bikes, cheaper for them to deal with problems after the fact.

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    Photo linked above is from mfr, to show new (refined) frame: the component specs in photo are a custom build by mfr, not all same as on BD's 2014 Moto Sram XO 2X10 or Shimano 3X10 Ti 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    Got same email to buy before price increase. That plus upgrade frame finally pushed me over two hours before deadline after I had wanted the 2X10 XO for two years, they always sold out as claimed. Should arrive in three or four days, hope I get it in good condition, BD has had issues with some rough handling at manufacturer and shipping. BD does not inspect bikes, cheaper for them to deal with problems after the fact.
    I would have ordered a second Ti 29er hardtail if BD were offering one in a smaller size to fit the wife. They used to offer a smaller Ti 26er hardtail, but thats not available either. Either way, the crank size would need to be scaled down also, no bigger than 165mm, and that seems to sometimes get overlooked.

    Ora Engineering (located inTaichung City , Taiwan) makes the frames, and very likely could have supplied some in a smaller size.

    Frame-14MB302_Products_Ora Engineering Co., Ltd. _ Bike Frames & Parts, Tubes and Others




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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe3eb View Post
    Prices went up $200. Interesting. Was thinking about getting one, but now that it doesn't have the XO brakes and I would want to upgrade the wheelset ASAP, the value isn't as good. Still a good deal though.
    Well, I'm hoping that "Vuleta XRP Team 29er SuperLite Disc" wheel set is good enough for me, for now. I thought I'd read fairly pretty positive comments on this forum about them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    BD has had issues with some rough handling at manufacturer and shipping. BD does not inspect bikes, cheaper for them to deal with problems after the fact.
    I think this is true of the BikeIsland (sister site, scratch and dent bikes), I've bought a couple bikes from them. One was fine. The other was just about a mess of loose parts in the box, horrible packaging. Bikes were same exact model and $999 price. BI was pretty responsive regarding issues though. But don't always replace broken (shipping damage) parts with matching parts. Outer chain ring chewed though box and broke some teeth in UPS truck. They sent me one that would fit, but lower quality, not of the matching FSA Afterburner crankset on the bike. I would still buy from them, but seems a bit of a gamble what your're going to get.

    This is the first bike I've actually bought from BikesDirect. I sure hope there is no shipping damage. At this price level, I'm going to go over it very carefully. If parts come broken I'd expect exact replacements or better. Will also be checking the bottom bracket and headset for proper greasing right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post
    Ora Engineering (located inTaichung City , Taiwan) makes the frames, and very likely could have supplied some in a smaller size.

    Frame-14MB302_Products_Ora Engineering Co., Ltd. _ Bike Frames & Parts, Tubes and Others
    Interesting, I see ORA makes other parts like titanium handle bars and seat posts ...

    Also I wonder who / where the components are actually installed on the BikeDirect Ti bikes? Do they have some other third party company in Asia assemble everything? And we get to open the box and hope they did a good job.... For the price I'm fine with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Interesting, I see ORA makes other parts like titanium handle bars and seat posts ...

    Also I wonder who / where the components are actually installed on the BikeDirect Ti bikes? Do they have some other third party company in Asia assemble everything? And we get to open the box and hope they did a good job.... For the price I'm fine with that.
    My neighbor has a Ti-hardtail w/26 inch tires that he had custom built many years ago by Seven Cycles in Watertown, Ma.

    They offer a Ti 29er hardtail, and offer variants with components similar enough that it makes an interesting comparison.

    https://www.sevencycles.com/bikes/sola-sl.php


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    re: TonyPGH:

    Though ORA won't sell direct, they referred me as follows:

    Thanks for your inquired, I am sorry that we don't sell frames directly, please contact with our distributor Rikulau which information as below, thank you.
    Rikulau international.Co., Ltd.
    Contact name : Chengnon
    E-mail chengnon@rikulau.com
    Rikulau, Bikes, Road Bike, Mountain Bike

    Best Regards,

    Emily Yu 余佩芳
    ORA ENGINEERING CO., LTD.
    鈦郁工業股份有限公司
    台中市清水區和睦路一段1005巷128弄25號
    No.25, Aly. 128, Ln. 1005, Sec. 1, Hemu Rd.,
    Qingshui Dist., Taichung City 436, Taiwan R.O.C.
    ??????????
    TEL:886-4-26203076 #220
    FAX:886-4-26202690

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    Thanks, interesting information regarding the Sevencycles and Rikulau bikes...

    The Sevencycles appear too pricey for me, and the Rikulau too risky. Makes me appreciate what BikesDirect provides. A quality bike from a US company that backs it up, for a killer price (no tax and free shipping helps).

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    I got the new 2014 fly team 17.5. Everything was great. No shipping issues. No damage. For the most part only a couple things needed extra tightening. Bike rides awesome. Comes with xrp pro sl not team sl. These are 400 grams heavier but are wider and rear is 32 hole. This is better for me as I ride rough stuff daily.
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    I ordered same 2014 model in a 19", then Friday Aug 16th received a 2012 frame with straight down tube and straight head tube, in a beat up box with torn holes and open, ripped tape joint. Bike parts appeared to have been just chunked into the box loose.

    I've photographed box and frame, written letter, provided complete documentation of error, all sent by email to them Saturday and as of 12:30 pm Monday, no response.

    Hopefully they are tracking the problem and will be honest in resolving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post

    I ordered same 2014 model in a 19", then Friday Aug 16th received a 2012 frame with straight down tube and straight head tube, in a beat up box with torn holes and open, ripped tape joint. Bike parts appeared to have been just chunked into the box loose.

    I've photographed box and frame, written letter, provided complete documentation of error, all sent by email to them Saturday and as of 12:30 pm Monday, no response.

    Hopefully they are tracking the problem and will be honest in resolving.

    .

    Did you order that from Bikes Direct or Bike Island, or some other vendor?

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    I ordered from BD at $2199, thru PayPal, after getting Mike's warning that price was going up at 5pm EST. When I ordered, incorrect photo of bike was above the description, which noted upgrades and stated photo was wrong. I asked and "Karla" at BD emailed a correct photo from mfr or distr, with same down tube and head tube shown on yours. A day or so later, BD corrected the photo.

    My beat up box has "12 NOV." on the outside, which likely means November of 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    I ordered same 2014 model in a 19", then Friday Aug 16th received a 2012 frame with straight down tube and straight head tube, in a beat up box with torn holes and open, ripped tape joint. Bike parts appeared to have been just chunked into the box loose.
    I ordered the 19" 2014 Fly Team Titanium SRAM XO 20 Speed on Aug 8th from BD, and received it Aug 14th. It is the new frame and was in fine shape. There was a bushing on the front hub that had popped off, I had to press back in. I haven't had a chance to fully assemble or ride it yet...

    Pretty sure the price went up to $2399 on 9Aug 5pm EST on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alin View Post
    I got the new 2014 fly team 17.5. Everything was great. No shipping issues. No damage. For the most part only a couple things needed extra tightening. Bike rides awesome. Comes with xrp pro sl not team sl. These are 400 grams heavier but are wider and rear is 32 hole. This is better for me as I ride rough stuff daily.
    Mine also came with the Vuelta "Pro SL" wheelset instead of the "Team SL", that was originally listed during pre sale. Seems a lower spec/price wheelset. I'm not sure I'm happy about it, and emailed BD. I'm 150lbs and plan on XC racing this thing, and wanted it light as possible out of the box.

    I haven't heard of any durability issues with the "Team SL" vs. the "Pro SL"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    I ordered from BD at $2199, thru PayPal, after getting Mike's warning that price was going up at 5pm EST. When I ordered, incorrect photo of bike was above the description, which noted upgrades and stated photo was wrong. I asked and "Karla" at BD emailed a correct photo from mfr or distr, with same down tube and head tube shown on yours. A day or so later, BD corrected the photo.

    My beat up box has "12 NOV." on the outside, which likely means November of 2012.
    They are and were listing the remaining 2013 models as well as the new 2014 models on their website, and the prices were the same at the time of the preorder on the 2014 models. Make sure you didn't order the 2013 models by mistake.

    I bought a 15.5 inch 2014 model with the 2x10 SRAM XO deraileurs, and my invoice shows:

    Item #
    "H Fly 29er Team SCORE XO Ti XIV 15.5M Prepay"

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    "FLY 29er TEAM SCORE XO Ti XIV || PreSALE Ships Aug 6-8th"


    What does your invoice show?

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    So then it means that there won't be a less expensive package with the new frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edil View Post
    So then it means that there won't be a less expensive package with the new frame.
    What indicates anything like that?

    They could offer a bare frame or a frame and fork package. They might offer a 2x10 package with SRAM X7 or X9 type 2 derailleur, etc. With recent growing interest in 1x11, they might offer a SRAM XO1 rear derailleur, XG1195 cassette and XO1 104mm BCD chainring on a less expensive FSA crank and BB. There are a lot of possibilities.

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    It is weird how they still have four old frame Ti 29er bikes on the website, and only two models with the new frame. The old ones are practically sold out. Maybe once they move the old frames off the website they'll introduce more new frame models.

    I'd assume there is nobody the would prefer the old frame over the new?

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    I ve been looking over bike direct for a while waiting to finally get a fly team and they have always just had a fly team in x0 and xtr. They also have always had a frame and fork option and a fantom with x9. I know from talking with bd that the fantom will be available in October. I assume this will be with the new frame. The frame only option will also be offered some time in the near future. They will continue to offer old frame till they sell out but I don't think anyone will buy them unless they nock off a couple hundred bucks.

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    Anyways it seems that for the old frames large is the only option left.

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    2013 Fly team XO 2X10 29ers had been sold out at BD for many months (all gone for 6 months +/-) and was not offered as an option when I selected the 2014 for $2199 at 2pm on 9 August, a few hours before the 5pm EST price increase deadline.

    Subsequently, BD said I was stuck with the 2013 bike they sent because I had selected 2013 (never mind that this was not possible), unless I wanted to pay an upgrade + shipping.

    I contacted a PayPal Dispute Rep who gave me the exact transaction URL for my Aug 9 purchase: "2014 Motobecane Team 29er Titanium Sram XO 2X10 Speed Size 19". Whereupon BD suddenly back-pedaled on where the responsibility lay and now I've returned the 2013 at their expense and the 2014 is on its way to me. Now BD blames their own software-price coding for a rare anomaly.

    In order to make the beat up box shippable, I used additional cardboard and literally an entire new roll of packing tape. The entire process of photo documenting, several emails with BD, repairing the box and securing parts that had been loose in the box with bubble wrap all took over four hours outta my life, not counting time between emails.

    Moral of the story: Always, Always, Always Use PayPal.

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    Wow, that really sucked! Glad that didn't happen to me. Let's hope the new bike arrives in great shape and it's all smooth sailing from there...

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    I read several poor reviews of FSA crank (that is on BD's Ti XO 2X10 29er) that it loosens after 8-12 miles, mostly left side, won't stay tight. It is married to a specific BB. What do riders recommend as a more dependable replacement? I've seen several of the FSA's cheap on ebay, so presume people are disappointed and changing.

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    My fsa crank hasn't loosened yet after 100 miles or so. It is not abnormal to need to retighten some things after the first few rides as things settle in to place so to speak. I m sure only a few people have had that loosening problem. I wouldnt group all FsA cranks in that anomaly. You got to assume that a small percentage of all products will fail just due to chance of an imperfect production. You gotta hope that it doesn't happen to you. For instance, brakes. I have read many gripes about avid brakes. Once I started reading xt/xtr reviews. I was seeing the same gripes for the most part and xt/xtr are suppose to be the best.

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    I'm seriously considering this bike and yesterday I saw a guy with the old frame bike. He told me that he bought the frame with Bike Island and build it himself and he was very happy and the frame looks solid. I told him about the new frame and seemed interested.

    My concern is about selecting the right size. It happened that back in 2004 I spent $1,600 on a Gary Fisher bike just to find out that the size wasn't right for me. The top tube was too long and after riding it for 30 minutes I got very pronounced pain in the base of the neck and rhomboids. I'm 6' 33.5" inseam and I think that the 17.5" will be the best option for me. The Gary Fisher was 19".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edil View Post
    I'm seriously considering this bike and yesterday I saw a guy with the old frame bike. He told me that he bought the frame with Bike Island and build it himself and he was very happy and the frame looks solid. I told him about the new frame and seemed interested.

    My concern is about selecting the right size. It happened that back in 2004 I spent $1,600 on a Gary Fisher bike just to find out that the size wasn't right for me. The top tube was too long and after riding it for 30 minutes I got very pronounced pain in the base of the neck and rhomboids. I'm 6' 33.5" inseam and I think that the 17.5" will be the best option for me. The Gary Fisher was 19".
    A 17" for someone 6 feet tall...? I'm 6'1" about the same inseam and I hopped on my buddy's medium Trek Fuel EX 7 the other day and it felt like I was riding a little kid's bike... FWIW I ride an XL Fly Ti 29er with a 90mm, 0 degree Thomson stem and 730mm Thomson carbon bars and I couldn't be more comfortable. YMMV.

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    My old 26" was a 20" large with a 24" ETT.
    My current 2014 fly team 29" is 17.5" medium has a 23.5" ETT roughly.
    Both fit me about the same. Don't look at the bike size. Ultimately the ETT is the best indicator of the bikes fit. The fly teams tend to be longer than most bikes ETT wise. I'm 6' 33" inseam and my 17.5" fits perfect. Ie.. ETT= effective top tube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alin View Post
    My old 26" was a 20" large with a 24" ETT.
    My current 2014 fly team 29" is 17.5" medium has a 23.5" ETT roughly.
    Both fit me about the same. Don't look at the bike size. Ultimately the ETT is the best indicator of the bikes fit. The fly teams tend to be longer than most bikes ETT wise. I'm 6' 33" inseam and my 17.5" fits perfect. Ie.. ETT= effective top tube
    That's what I'm talking about and I was looking for that advice. Later on I will post the measurements of the GF for you to compare and advice. I did as althatisman, change the stem for a shorter when more raise, move the saddle all the way to the front, etc but it didn't help at all and I had to sell the bike at a bargain price loosing money in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edil View Post

    I'm seriously considering this bike and...

    My concern is about selecting the right size...

    I'm 6' 33.5" inseam and I think that the 17.5" will be the best option for me.

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    They currently have only the 19_inch and 21_inch sizes listed for both the 2x10 and 3x10 versions. I noticed that the 15.5_inch size in both versions sold out during the presale, and it hasn't taken long for them to sell out in the 17.5_inch size in both versions.

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    FYI in case anyone is considering the 19" since the 17.5" is sold out. The 19" is only an inch longer ETT than the 17.5". You can shorten that in a number of ways if you really wanted to. Shorter stem, move seat up, a riser bar would even help feel more upright. The fly team seat post actually curves backward. A strait seat post would probably be an inch further forward.

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    Edil: The bike (Team Ti 29er) in a 17 1/2 would be too small for you. I am 5-11 with long arms and legs and the 19" is only barely big enough.

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    I'm 5'11" with 34" inseam, and my 19" 2014 Ti 29er is the right size for me. I think a 17.5" would be too small.

    I suppose you can make cockpit adjustments either way by changing seat post, stem, handle bars.

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    Edil: I should have mentioned my inseam is 33" and for a long sleeve shirt, I buy a 35" sleeve. At 5-11, a 19" 2014 Moto Ti 29er is barely big enough. The bike has a mix of quality, but the high quality Ritchey PRO 4-AXIS stem is fairly long, fits perfectly.

    17 1/2" is too small for your dimensions. The BD size recommendations are rough, relative leg and arm length are the drivers.

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