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  1. #51
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    Here are the measurements of the 2004 GF X-caliber 19" frame bike that I had:

    Head tube angle
    71.0mm - 2.78"
    Fork offset
    38.1mm - 1.5"
    Trail
    80mm - 3.15"
    Seat tube angle
    73.5mm - 2.89"
    Effective top tube
    628mm - 24.72"
    Seat tube standover
    479mm - 18.86"
    Wheelbase
    1108mm - 43.62"
    Bottom bracket height
    270mm - 10.63"
    Chainstay
    445mm - 17.52"
    Head tube
    90mm - 3.54"

    All I know is that those numbers doesn't work for me, strong pain in the neck and rhomboids no matter how many changes of stem and movement of saddle.

    Later on I will be posting my full body measurements.

    Anyways I did ask this already. I was waiting for a lower cost package to came out with the new frame, for example the $1,799. Now you are telling me that the 17.5 is gone so Does that means that it won't be available anymore?

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    I think the smaller 2014 Ti frame sizes will be available again. It just means they've sold out of all those size frames in the first batch. But I can't say when they will get those sizes again. You could try emailing them, they're usually pretty prompt with responding. Unless it works differently with these Ti frames...

    I also imagine they will phase out all the old Ti frame models, and introduce more models with the new 2014 Ti frame.

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    Bike direct restockes fly team twice a year spring and fall. I don't expect that they will have more till march ish. This is what I ve gathered through my research. I have been in the hunt for about six months myself and just finally got one. The fantom ti 29 er similar bike but with x9 package will be restocked in October and is only 1800. That's what I was gonna get myself but couldn't wait till October so I sprung for the fly team. I would expect that they will be using the new frame also for the fantom. If your old bike was giving you problems you should talk to some bike techs at a shop to figure out why. Your old ETT was about the same as the fly team large 19". If the problem was a bike that was too big the 17.5" might be the solution, but it could be something else.

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    Another guy who 5'11" with a 19" and very happy but I'm not you. Best bang for your buck bike there is. Friends are jealous and find myself asking what their frames are made out of just to piss em off.

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    Wrong wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Mine also came with the Vuelta "Pro SL" wheelset instead of the "Team SL", that was originally listed during pre sale. Seems a lower spec/price wheelset. I'm not sure I'm happy about it, and emailed BD. I'm 150lbs and plan on XC racing this thing, and wanted it light as possible out of the box.

    I haven't heard of any durability issues with the "Team SL" vs. the "Pro SL"?
    I'm in the same boat as you. I realize that this bike is a killer deal despite the wheel down grade but still, the fact is I bought something with the expectation of receiving what is advertised. Anyways, could you let me know what, if any, response you get from BD regarding the wheels. If they are willing to exchange them for the Teams I'd likely go for it because there is a significant weight difference between them, like over 300 grams. If it were 100g I might not care but that's allot of weight and I'm a bit of a weenie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmessenger View Post
    Anyways, could you let me know what, if any, response you get from BD regarding the wheels.
    Here's my initial email to them:
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    Thank you, I received my bike in good condition! But haven't had a chance to complete assembly or ride it yet…

    I did notice it shipped with a lower spec Vuelta "Pro SL" instead of the "Team SL" wheelset I was expecting, as was listed at the time I pre ordered. What is the deal with that, why were they substituted? Can I exchange these for the wheelset that it was supposed to come with?

    I'm a 150lbs and will be XC racing this bike, was hoping for light as possible out of the box.
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    After a bit of a go around, here is BD's final response:
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    I spoke to the office and was told that the wheels you received are the updated 2014 Pro SL wheels that are an upgrade over last year's team SL wheels. They are so new that they are not even on Vuelta's website yet. We were told by Motobecane that the bike would have the Team SL's but when it came time for production/shipping they had changed to the newer Pro SL wheel that works with the 15mm thru axle instead of the older Team SL wheels (QR only) and had not informed us until we received the bikes so the listing was changed to accurately reflect what the bikes shipped with. Motobecane just gave us the incorrect information in the first place, as the hub section in your listing says QR instead of 15m thru axle. A regular QR hub would not work with that 15mm Maxle Lite fork.

    The manufacturer did not give us a choice of wheels so unfortunately we are unable to offer you a choice of wheels.

    In the bicycle industry, suppliers and factories sometimes change specs without notice and state that they are "subject to change without notice". This is because bicycles are made from hundreds of parts which come from dozens of vendors. Parts are sometimes updated to the most current production generation/iteration one gets better or more current parts or a comparable part. For example, 12-25 instead of 11-25T cassette or 52T chainring instead of 53T ring. In this case, Motobecane used the newer 2014 Pro SL wheelset with 15mm thru axle instead of last year's Team SL wheels (QR only), as they felt the more current Pro SLs were an improvement over the older Team SL's.

    We attempt to be as accurate as possible and eliminate errors on the Site; however, we do not warrant that any product, service, description, photograph, pricing or other information is accurate, complete, reliable, current or error-free. In the event of an error, whether on the Site, in an order confirmation, in processing an order, delivering a product or service or otherwise, we reserve the right to correct such error and revise your order accordingly if necessary (including charging the correct price) or to cancel the order and refund any amount charged. Your sole remedy in the event of such error is to cancel your order and obtain a refund.

    Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

    Enjoy your new bike.
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    Which I did except, because I'm unsure and wasn't going to return the whole bike over it.

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    Did you guys saw the review it have the XTR crank even that on the bikedirect it say it have a FSA one.
    Something dont seem right.

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    I saw the first photo of the Sram XO 2X10 Moto ti 29er, sent by my request by BD to my email, before it was up on the BD site, because I wanted to see the new frame: that photo originated from Taiwan manufacturer and had custom components on it not applicable to the one for sale. The actual components are per BD's list and same as on the one I bought from them, though they first sent the wrong bike, then, with PayPal's intervention, I got BD to swap for correct bike.

    Always use PayPal to buy from BD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post

    I'm 150lbs and plan on XC racing this thing, and wanted it light as possible out of the box.
    Have you seen Derby's carbon rims? I have no personal experience with these, but if you are planning on racing, I think these might be worth looking into.

    http://www.derbyrims.com

    I think that if you are going to race, it might be worth having race specific wheelsets different from the heavier cheaper reliable sets that you train on. A light wheelset would be advantageous in a race. But if you damage your light racing wheelset in training, and those are the only wheelsets that you have, you can't race until the damaged wheelset is fixed. Likewise, if you damage a wheelset in a race, you could still ride on your training set until you get the lighter set repaired or replaced.

    Just a suggestion... not trying to spend your money for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT_in_WMass View Post
    Have you seen Derby's carbon rims? I have no personal experience with these, but if you are planning on racing, I think these might be worth looking into.
    Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check them out. But I don't think my budget can afford any new rims right now. Planning to make due with what came on the bike.

    It doesn't seem the Kenda Small Block 8 tires have enough traction for the wet muddy conditions I often ride in. I'm looking for some new rubber with more grip.

    Also I've never done tubeless. But I'm strongly considering trying a Stans tubeless conversion kit with these rims. I'd like to run lower psi, and I've already had a couple flat tires on this bike.

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    Tony PGH:

    I've just gotten roof rack necessary to get me to trails, haven't ridden my new ti 29er, and figured Kenda tread looked too low for mud and wet leaves. May swap now and skip the sliding and flats.

    What situation caused your flat tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krusatyr View Post
    What situation caused your flat tires?
    Sometimes I will ride on the roadside to the trails. Got a flat on the front from some glass on the roadside. Got a flat on the rear from a small thorn on the trails. I'm not really blaming the tire for what it is, light & fast, but seems a little delicate. I've rode my other bike (WTB Prowler SL 29x2.1) many times over the same route and have never had a flat. Could be just luck.

    I weighed my SB8 tire on a kitchen scale at 600g. I like the SB8 OK for the right conditions, fast dry hard pack trails.

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    Good job! Whats the deal with the wheels?

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Here's my initial email to them:
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    Thank you, I received my bike in good condition! But haven't had a chance to complete assembly or ride it yet…

    I did notice it shipped with a lower spec Vuelta "Pro SL" instead of the "Team SL" wheelset I was expecting, as was listed at the time I pre ordered. What is the deal with that, why were they substituted? Can I exchange these for the wheelset that it was supposed to come with?

    I'm a 150lbs and will be XC racing this bike, was hoping for light as possible out of the box.
    --

    After a bit of a go around, here is BD's final response:
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    I spoke to the office and was told that the wheels you received are the updated 2014 Pro SL wheels that are an upgrade over last year's team SL wheels. They are so new that they are not even on Vuelta's website yet. We were told by Motobecane that the bike would have the Team SL's but when it came time for production/shipping they had changed to the newer Pro SL wheel that works with the 15mm thru axle instead of the older Team SL wheels (QR only) and had not informed us until we received the bikes so the listing was changed to accurately reflect what the bikes shipped with. Motobecane just gave us the incorrect information in the first place, as the hub section in your listing says QR instead of 15m thru axle. A regular QR hub would not work with that 15mm Maxle Lite fork.

    The manufacturer did not give us a choice of wheels so unfortunately we are unable to offer you a choice of wheels.

    In the bicycle industry, suppliers and factories sometimes change specs without notice and state that they are "subject to change without notice". This is because bicycles are made from hundreds of parts which come from dozens of vendors. Parts are sometimes updated to the most current production generation/iteration one gets better or more current parts or a comparable part. For example, 12-25 instead of 11-25T cassette or 52T chainring instead of 53T ring. In this case, Motobecane used the newer 2014 Pro SL wheelset with 15mm thru axle instead of last year's Team SL wheels (QR only), as they felt the more current Pro SLs were an improvement over the older Team SL's.

    We attempt to be as accurate as possible and eliminate errors on the Site; however, we do not warrant that any product, service, description, photograph, pricing or other information is accurate, complete, reliable, current or error-free. In the event of an error, whether on the Site, in an order confirmation, in processing an order, delivering a product or service or otherwise, we reserve the right to correct such error and revise your order accordingly if necessary (including charging the correct price) or to cancel the order and refund any amount charged. Your sole remedy in the event of such error is to cancel your order and obtain a refund.

    Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

    Enjoy your new bike.
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    Which I did except, because I'm unsure and wasn't going to return the whole bike over it.
    Fair enough. After thinking about this, I'm not all that upset. I completely accept their responce. I had a suspician that it may have to do with the thru axle at the front, and to be nit picking over this concidering the business model and extremely good prices, last minute changes like this are going to happen and besides its not a bad wheel.
    Thanks for posting the response. Overall, my BD experiance has been great.

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    Tires for the wet.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyPGH View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check them out. But I don't think my budget can afford any new rims right now. Planning to make due with what came on the bike.

    It doesn't seem the Kenda Small Block 8 tires have enough traction for the wet muddy conditions I often ride in. I'm looking for some new rubber with more grip.

    Also I've never done tubeless. But I'm strongly considering trying a Stans tubeless conversion kit with these rims. I'd like to run lower psi, and I've already had a couple flat tires on this bike.
    I live on Vancouver Island in BC and hear you regarding the SB8s, great for dry hardpack-even road but not great in moist conditions we have here. I did a bunch of reading and chose the very light Maxxis Beaver(500g) for the rear and Schwalbe Rocket Ron 2.25 front. I find them to be very good thus far with both being fairly light with bigger knobs well spaced allowing the muck to fling off. Despite the larger knobs this combo roll quite well due to the low weight. Both tires have great reviews and I can personally recommend them for the wet.

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    Mountain King 29 x 2.4

    I won some new tires at my last race event. A lower cost Mountain King 29 x 2.4 with wire bead! Not what I would buy myself, but for free I thought I'd try them a while. I weighted them 880g each new, vs the Kenda SB8 which were 600g.



    Been riding them a few weeks, no rubbing but close:





    For comparison, just MK on back and SB8 on front:



    I feel like I'm riding monster truck tires compared to the SB8.

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    it would tick even more boxes with 1x10 and internal routing

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    Quote Originally Posted by boubla View Post
    it would tick even more boxes with 1x10 and internal routing
    Yeah, once I'm in the woods I find I never go into the big ring up front. I only use it if I ride to the trail head on the road. Been considering stripping this down to 1x10.

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    I posted a build/first ride review of the 19" XX version last night:
    Motobecane FLY Team 29 Titanium after 2 years review.

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    Just received the new 2014 Moto Fly Team 29er from BD last week. First 29er and was hesitant because of short leg syndrome but having it my entire life, I can deal with no clearance between my crotch and cross bar on the 15.5 inch frame.

    Shipped and arrived when stated and assembly was an hour and tweaking adjustments over the next couple days for another hour or so. Almost sent it back for one reason and one reason only. --The bottle holder bolts are very poorly positioned. The 15.5 size frame states that it will have only one bottle mount. Fine. Mine came with two and they are welded way high on each bar. The seat tube mount is so high that its top bolt prevents my seat post from lowering to my ideal height. The fix was to turn the Ritchey post backwards (it has a mitered cut on the bottom that makes it drop about an inch lower.

    Had already ordered a KS LEV dropper post so when that arrived was ready to send back because the dropped height was at around two inches lower than my ideal ride height. Not worth the $360 for only a two inch dropper.

    My first mod (besides Reflector tape for my nightly commute) was a cold chisel, a two pound hammer and a few mean swings to bust the upper water cage bolt out from inside the tube. Weld did not want to crack at first (hence the 2lb hammer) removed the nut weld, caulked the hole and wallah a tube that would accept the full lengths of my seat posts.

    The other bottle mount is just too high and limits the type of bottles you can use. Not the deal breaker as the other one. BTW I did not send it back because I have been waiting anxiously for this bike and just to repackage and put it in the box would have been a challenge.

    Performance and finish are what is expected at this price point and components. 29 inch wheels, rock gardens that would have been walked through with the 26 are just rocks in the trail now and I am still amazed what this goes over. Hills… What hills? clipped in and full power circles are effortless on short climbs and you have all the gearing needed for the long climbs.

    My daily commute is 1.5 mile neighborhood streets 5 miles pre road (graded with 6 inch and smaller rocks) BUMPY but 90% downhill and finish with about 1.5 miles highway shoulder and 1.5 miles resort road shoulder. A blast to get there but a bugger to climb at 11:00 pm after 8 hours on the feet.

    Haven't had the fun leisure ride with the gang yet but I am enjoying every time I straddle that brick of a saddle for my off road commute.

    Overall, I am very happy with the bike and will consider them for FS when the time comes.

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    Just like to give an update on my ti 29er.
    So far everything has worked perfectly. I have upgraded and replaced various parts over time to better suited my riding style which is less XC and more trail or even AM.
    I did get an annoying creak but solved it after reading a similar story where the problem was where the rear wheel mounts and not the crank that I'd thought. Actually, the crank has impressed me last g through a wet muddy BC fall and winter. I destroyed my front wheel doing something stupid and heading straight into a pile of boulders and so upgraded to Hope hoops crest. The rear I'd already upgraded to Italian Formula Volo which has proven to be smooth and tough.
    I tweaked my stem and bars with a 60mm stem and 720mm bar for better downhill performance but this change hasn't caused the front to pop up either which is nice.
    I'm still improving as a rider on this thing. It's easy to go up hills being so light but I wouldn't say it jumps with every pedal stroke like a stiffer carbon frame but it's smooth through even rough gullies take g out the ping of hits allows better control and last all day without being beat up. It also loves being popped into the air over obstacles. Very toss able for a 29"er. Been trying g some fast drops on a particular trail that aren't high just sketchy on windy single track with freaking trees everywhere. Been thrown a few times but thankfully no direct tree hits.

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    I agree completely. This bike is awesome. I want to ask you about the creek. What exactly did you have to do to your drop outs to eliminate the creaking.

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