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    New Motobecanes - first impressions?

    Although their new "HAL" bikes are pre-order and nobody has actually seen one or ridden one yet, I have to admit that this is a lot of bike for the price. At $2000, the HAL6 Pro really has some legit componentry. The frame is clearly another Kinesis design, and with the patent expiration on the linkage, the knucklebox rear suspension should be top-notch.

    Not too high on the colors they chose for the Pro, that would have been great in flat black.

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    i'm interested. even the EXPERT level seems to be quite the bang for the buck. could pick it up and go tubeless + dropper post for under 2k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcmack View Post
    i'm interested. even the EXPERT level seems to be quite the bang for the buck. could pick it up and go tubeless + dropper post for under 2k.
    Truth. . .and that one is available in flat black! :-)

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    So after trying a friends specialized stumpjumper FSR Expert that he was borrowing from the LBS Ive been wanting a new bike, that short ride really ruined everything!. That bike was beautiful and easily climbed better than my junky old hard tail. Being an ex-cross country racer I really could appreciate that, and in a full suspension even!. Unfortunately i've been shocked by the prices when I realized that bike was over $6k from the LBS!! Ive researched and learned a ton over the last month and read most of the posts on here regarding motobecanes and particularly the 6by6 pro. Last week I finally decided to go for it and order a 6by6 pro. 2 days later, I checked the bikes direct site and saw the new Hal6 Pro. ! The spec sheet is amazing and it LOOKS extra cool too haha. I checked the geometry specs provided and they were very close to the 6by6 which, as you all probably know by now are right there when compared with other high end brand trail bikes (I compared with the new YT Jeffsy geo #'s as well) The new Chainstay on the hal6 is even 5mm shorter than the 6by6 which is supposedly a good thing for climbing, which I like to do, so with the lockout rear shock I decided to go for it and be one of the 1st to try a hal6. I emailed bikes direct and told them to cancel my 6by6 order. They immediately replied, cancelled my already in transit order (on its way to me in Hawaii) and rerouted the box back to them. Guess how much extra they charged me. ZERO! so far epic customer service. My 46cm Mantis green (yeah I actually love the color) Hal6 Pro has been paid for and will be shipped the middle of next month!

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...tain-bikes.htm

    Meanwhile my friend has opted to go for the 2016 specialized stumpjumper fsr comp 29 for $2900 plus tax for all the reasons mentioned in other bikes direct threads (no local help, hassle for warranty stuff etc etc.). The Hal6 blows doors spec-list wise on the specialized bike and is actually more inline with the $4300 FSR Elite, See link:

    https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bi...lite-29/106984

    actually the Hal 6 still wins out over this bike as far as rear shock and brakes are concerned. From what Ive read, heavy but strong wheels, no dropper seatpost, and a stupid looking saddle are things I may be dealing with when I get my new bike.

    I will be doing a full review comparo of our 2 new bikes once we each have our rides. Including some hard climbs and gnarly descents where me and my buddy will switch bikes and give our impressions of each ones pluses and minuses. I admit I am brand new to full suspension riding but ive been mountain biking since the 1st mountain bikes came out. I still remember my yellow montagna!

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    Hal6 Specialized stumpy battle warming up

    So my friend just called me as he was a bit dismayed over the spec list my Hal6 will have compared to his more expensive stumpy (better everything haha). He called the bike shop where they told him that the motobecane will come with last years components and is NOT a good bike. It was an easy kill for the LBS, my friend kept his order, and was trying to talk me out of the Hal.. this will be interesting..
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    New Motobecanes - first impressions?-hal6-pro-grn-21.jpgthe green!
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    Hal 6 on the way!

    Just got an email that my Hal6 Pro will be shipped on May 27th. Guess they are shipping later rather than sooner as the website says between May 10th and 27th.
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    Hal6pro Dark silver

    New Motobecanes - first impressions?-hal6-pro-drkslv-21.jpgThe Silver!
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    I just pulled the trigger on the dark silver XL HAL6 pro. I've been shopping for a FSB for about a month now and shocks and components look good on this bike for the price.

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    I could be wrong but this bike looks like a combo of the 2016 and 2015 KHS SixFifty. Looks like a 2015 bike with the 2016 top tube.
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    I ordered the dark silver and cannot wait for it to get here! Dropper post, wider bars, different grips, pedals, stem, maybe different tires and I think it'll be perfect. Waiting to hear back from BD about whether the dropper post routing is for a stealth or a normal one. I plan on having all the upgrades before the bike gets here.
    If the frame doesn't do it for me, the components are nice enough that I could grab a new frame for another $1000-1500 and swap it all over. I'm optimistic, though, so I think we'll be fine and the extra money will just go to beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerlwe View Post
    I ordered the dark silver and cannot wait for it to get here! Dropper post, wider bars, different grips, pedals, stem, maybe different tires and I think it'll be perfect. Waiting to hear back from BD about whether the dropper post routing is for a stealth or a normal one. I plan on having all the upgrades before the bike gets here.
    If the frame doesn't do it for me, the components are nice enough that I could grab a new frame for another $1000-1500 and swap it all over. I'm optimistic, though, so I think we'll be fine and the extra money will just go to beer.
    Jerlwe - please post what you find out about the dropper post routing. Thanks!

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    Ordered a Hal5 Comp the other day, hoping I get it sooner rather than later! It's getting pretty warm out :-|

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    Strange.. my UPS tracking info says it's coming from Cycle Spectrum in Houston, I thought they were closed? Or maybe they closed their storefront and switched to a wholesale/retail distributor only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerlwe View Post
    I ordered the dark silver and cannot wait for it to get here! Dropper post, wider bars, different grips, pedals, stem, maybe different tires and I think it'll be perfect. Waiting to hear back from BD about whether the dropper post routing is for a stealth or a normal one. I plan on having all the upgrades before the bike gets here.
    If the frame doesn't do it for me, the components are nice enough that I could grab a new frame for another $1000-1500 and swap it all over. I'm optimistic, though, so I think we'll be fine and the extra money will just go to beer.
    No 1by10 conversion? What about the seat??!

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    The seat!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    No 1by10 conversion? What about the seat??!
    Ha! 2by10 should suffice :P
    The seat might get swapped out depending on how comfy it is

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    Droppper post

    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    Jerlwe - please post what you find out about the dropper post routing. Thanks!

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    Just received an email back from BD!
    It is for a standard dropper post, NOT a stealth. A bit of a letdown, but I'll get over it. At least it's sized at 31.6! That is good enough for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerlwe View Post
    Just received an email back from BD!
    It is for a standard dropper post, NOT a stealth. A bit of a letdown, but I'll get over it. At least it's sized at 31.6! That is good enough for me
    Thanks for that info. Now just have to figure out which non-stealth dropper to go with....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    Thanks for that info. Now just have to figure out which non-stealth dropper to go with....

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    You bet! I'm between the KS LEV and Reverb.. or something cheaper that works very well!
    I have an X-fusion HILO on my hardtail. It doesn't work nearly as well as my buddie's Reverb, but I was able to pick it up for $175 and it still does a decent job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    Thanks for that info. Now just have to figure out which non-stealth dropper to go with....

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    Sorry I'm confused here on the stealth aspect, what does that mean? I see listings for a stealth reverb dropper on eBay. You're saying that will not be compatible with the Hals? There is a reverb NON stealth as well it sounds like?

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    Stealth means the cable is internally routed in the biycle frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    Sorry I'm confused here on the stealth aspect, what does that mean? I see listings for a stealth reverb dropper on eBay. You're saying that will not be compatible with the Hals? There is a reverb NON stealth as well it sounds like?
    It's how the mechanism is actuated.
    Stealth = sexy
    non-stealth = not as sexy
    As long as you have good spandex it won't matter which is on the bike!

    New Motobecanes - first impressions?-rockshox_reverb_stealth_back_l.jpgNew Motobecanes - first impressions?-rockshox-reverb-seatpost-zoom2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    Sorry I'm confused here on the stealth aspect, what does that mean? I see listings for a stealth reverb dropper on eBay. You're saying that will not be compatible with the Hals? There is a reverb NON stealth as well it sounds like?
    It's where the mechanism is engaged.
    Stealth = sexy
    non-stealth = not as sexy
    Just where good spandex and it'll be okay!

    New Motobecanes - first impressions?-rockshox_reverb_stealth_back_l.jpgNew Motobecanes - first impressions?-rockshox-reverb-seatpost-zoom2.jpg

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    Sizing on the hals

    So I had automatically ordered the 46cm Hal (18.1") since I am 5'10", with a 32" inseam, and the guy at the LBS had told me that I should be on an 18 or 18.5" bike. When I look on the sizings for the hal6 on the BD website I see they recommend the 44cm for 5'10". Is this because of the large travel on the Hal that they are sizing smaller? What sizes did everybody else order?

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    I'm 6'3.5" tall so my sizing will probably not help in your case. It was obvious that I needed the XL 50cm frame.

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    I went for the 44cm and I'm 5'8", but that's not the biggest factor. It's all about reach and your body size to get the perfect bike for you.
    I have a 2015 Motobecane Fantom Elite 29er and ended up going with the 15.5" frame(TINY, I KNOW!) but it feels great! The bike is pretty much all wheel, though it seems to fit me great. I'm hoping I didn't make the wrong choice with this next size up on the HAL6, but that's how it goes! I feel like I could ride either size comfortably. That being said, my friend has a 21" Kona Explosif and I can put some miles on that without too much discomfort, too. Though I can only drop the seat about 1" before it hits it's bottomed out.
    I guess I'd rather have a bike that's slightly too big than one that's too small.
    Just my .02

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    So Im really getting confused on this sizing stuff. I did some comparisons to the Giant trance 27.5 since that is a similar looking bike. The Giant sizing chart puts my 5'10" frame with a 32" inseam right in the middle of the chart for a medium (18"). Upon comparison of the geo #'s with the trance vs Hal6 though there are some weird things going on. I feel like the Hals are running big. Here are the geo links for each bike:

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...5-hal6-geo.gif

    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us...4044/#geometry

    Here are the #'s broken down. I converted everything to inches for simplicity

    Trance (18"M): Top tube 23.6 head tube 3.9 Wheel base 45.5 Stand over 28.1
    Hal6 (44cm M) 23.6 4.7 44.96 30.2
    Hal6 (46cm L) 24.2 5.1 45.94 31

    One thing I really don't like about the Hal6 46cm is that the standover is only 31". with my 32" inseam that doesnt give me much room. Again, the BD website is recommending a M (44cm/17.3") as well but that just seems so small when Im being told at the bike shop that I need to be on a 18". .. HEEEEEELP. Really not sure what to do! Watts, get in there!

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    Sizing for bikes is not universal. Based on the size available for that model and the frame design you may ride a 17 or a 18. Just depends. If you are of average build go with what BD recommends for that bike. If you are buying another bike buy the bike size they recommend.

    For instance I genrally ride a 54 for road bikes. But the way the Nashbar carbon is designed I ride a 52 in those. Bikes vary, the sizing is just a guide not meant to be a uniniversal fitting guide.
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    Hal 6 sizing and crazy deal

    Hey guys, thanks so much for all the input both about the dropper post explanations and the sizing advice. Getting into the modern biking world has been confusing for sure! After comparing many bikes, their geo #s and their specs to the Hal6 here are my conclusions: A guy my size, 5'10" with a 32" inseam, should definitely be on a medium (44cm) (as per the bd website recommendation you dummy!) The standard top tube for a guy my size on most mountain bikes is right around 600mm or 23.6" which is exactly what the Hal6 med is. Also looking at the geo #'s on the Hal these bikes DO run a bit tall. Most medium trail bikes have a standover of 28-29" the Hal6 med is 30" the large is 31" which is as much as 3" than many other large framed bikes in this category. However comparing geo#'s with the other bikes I really think this bike will perform well! Doing this final review I keep comparing these other bikes as far as components and value are concerned. It REALLY IS true that the hal6pro compares with bikes around $4k and even more. The exception are the YT bikes that are comparable more in the $3500 range, but its not like those bikes are light at over 31lbs. I cant imagine the Hal being much more. Just have reaffirmed my happiness at this good deal and just wish they would hurry up and ship!

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    You bet!
    I can understand the desire for wanting to know all the details and comparing the differences to other bikes, but that's how it goes when you order from an online retailer. You pay a LBS to make you feel comfortable and on the interwebs you're kind of jumping in(that's my opinion.) Remember, even if the frame doesn't fit you, you can buy a new frame for around $1K, swap it all over and still be well ahead of the bell-curve. BUT I'm young(28) and love to throw money at my bikes and too optimistic for my own good.
    I'm on the fence of how soon I want to get mine. Part of me wants it right NOW(and that's a big part of me!), but the other part of me wants to wait patiently for another 5 weeks. I feel this way for two reasons: I need to stay focused on school for the next 7 weeks until the quarter is over and also want to keep riding my hardtail 29er before it starts collecting dust!

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    I also wouldn't pay too much attention to the stated stand over height. With the way that top tube slopes I highly doubt the stand over is that much. I am 5'11" and have a 32" inseam as well but I went with the large as I was more concerned with the top tube length and wanted something that wasn't cramped but didn't stretch me out too far forward either. I would go sit on a trance at the lbs and get a feel for what seems more comfortable and try using those specs to match the hal6 size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrglenni View Post
    I also wouldn't pay too much attention to the stated stand over height. With the way that top tube slopes I highly doubt the stand over is that much. I am 5'11" and have a 32" inseam as well but I went with the large as I was more concerned with the top tube length and wanted something that wasn't cramped but didn't stretch me out too far forward either. I would go sit on a trance at the lbs and get a feel for what seems more comfortable and try using those specs to match the hal6 size.
    Agreed jrg, I had gone to the trek dealer here a while back and sat on and rode the fuel 7.it was a 17.5" frame and seemed small and the shop owner said I definitely needed an 18.5. This is what started all the confusion to begin with! Later, looking at the trek bike website I saw that the fuels are sized in a wacky way. A frame they call a 17.5" is actually a 16.5" by the seat tube measurement. No wonder it felt so small! Meaning the bike shop owner was actually recommending a 17.5" actual frame size. Bikes direct was no help at all, I emailed them a question about the sizing last week and never heard back so eventually I just sent an email titled "urgent order change" and let them know i would like to change my order from the 46 to the 44. All I got back was a message with the new size being shown as my order so I guess it's done. Jrg, we both now are on the recommended size of Hal for our height, although I still have to wonder how that small one inch of clearance at your crotch area is going to feel lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    although I still have to wonder how that small one inch of clearance at your crotch area is going to feel lol.
    That's my point though... I don't think it's actually going to be a 1" clearance. Sure, at some point along the tube it will be that high, but with the way it slopes aggressively, you will have way more than that the farther back you stand over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrglenni View Post
    That's my point though... I don't think it's actually going to be a 1" clearance. Sure, at some point along the tube it will be that high, but with the way it slopes aggressively, you will have way more than that the farther back you stand over it.
    I think the stand over clearance was measured directly over the bottom bracket. Remember guys, the stand over clearance is based on flat ground. If you're mountain biking chances are the ground below won't be perfectly level.
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    That's what I was thinking on stand over but I hhope nt

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    After spending hours at 2 LBSs and REI, I'll definitely be ordering a Hal6, I just can't decide between the expert or pro. I don't think I need 160mm travel, but it seems like the pro is even more bang for the buck than the 150mm expert. $2000 is pretty much at my budget, which means no money for possible upgrades. Any thoughts? Should I be considering the weight difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ernest View Post
    After spending hours at 2 LBSs and REI, I'll definitely be ordering a Hal6, I just can't decide between the expert or pro. I don't think I need 160mm travel, but it seems like the pro is even more bang for the buck than the 150mm expert. $2000 is pretty much at my budget, which means no money for possible upgrades. Any thoughts? Should I be considering the weight difference?
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    What weight difference are you referring to? Did you find any numbers!? That would be awesome if you did.
    I feel you on not needing that amount of travel, but the pike sealed the deal for me. Also, 10mm = 0.39in so I figured the difference would be negligible. I'm usually wrong, though, based on my experience. haha.
    I always leave room for upgrades, so maybe the expert is the way to go for you? I demand a dropper post on my bikes(NEVER try using one if you can't afford buying one, I learned the hard way) and those are $200-$500. I don't think you could go wrong with either of them, though!

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    No, I haven't seen any specifics on weight, and now that I'm looking, the weight differences between the forks and shocks is minimal, so weight shouldn't be a factor overall. And I completely agree, the pike would be the reason for the upgrade (although the lime green is pretty badass...), definitely seems to be a consensus it's the better fork. I'm gonna sit on it for a day and update when I order. Thanks jer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ernest View Post
    No, I haven't seen any specifics on weight, and now that I'm looking, the weight differences between the forks and shocks is minimal, so weight shouldn't be a factor overall. And I completely agree, the pike would be the reason for the upgrade (although the lime green is pretty badass...), definitely seems to be a consensus it's the better fork. I'm gonna sit on it for a day and update when I order. Thanks jer
    I couldn't agree more about the green, I was surprised that most ppl so far have been ordering the dark silver pro. After doing tons of research over the last month when I saw the Hal pro and its spec list it was a no-brainer for the me. It has over $1100 worth of rockshox components on the bike alone! Have u checked out the (rear shock) monarch plus rc-3 stats? It's a seriously nice shock, basically the top of the line. Add to that better brakes, shifters, and dérailleurs (xtr rear!) and it's just a crazy deal. Even the rear cassette is better on the pro. One thing to note is that the pike is the RC model and not the rct-3 version with adjustable travel and 3 position lockout lever. Who needs upgrades with such a spec list? Seriously!

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    Question about the cassette: is an 11-36T 10 speed cassette adequate for a 1x10 conversion? Seems like you could be limited in your range for climbing/bombing. Also, can you clarify the adjustability of the fork and rear shock? There is some degree of on the fly adjustability and/or lockout, correct? The picture makes clear that there are definitely some blue paddles on both.
    But yes! The bike is awesomely spec'd. You might be convincing me to go pro...

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    Answer about the cassette: No! I actually did some research about this And most ppl switching to a 1x10 setup usually go to a 32t front chainring which is exactly the same size as the middle chainring on the standard 3x10 setups. So you tell me, can you climb the steepest stuff around in your lowest gear on the middle chainring? doubtful. Luckily both sunrace and praxis offer 10 gear rear cassettes that go 11-40, or even 11-42 which then gets you into the proper gearing range for steep climbs. I actually started another thread all about this but didn't get much help. What I do know is the long cage xtr rear derrailleur included on the pro WILL work with the cassette conversion to an 11-40, not sure if it will work on the 11-42, and don't think it will work on an 11 speed rear cassette conversion, but I'm not positive on that either. Way to find something to spend some money on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    Answer about the cassette: No! I actually did some research about this And most ppl switching to a 1x10 setup usually go to a 32t front chainring which is exactly the same size as the middle chainring on the standard 3x10 setups. So you tell me, can you climb the steepest stuff around in your lowest gear on the middle chainring? doubtful. Luckily both sunrace and praxis offer 10 gear rear cassettes that go 11-40, or even 11-42 which then gets you into the proper gearing range for steep climbs. I actually started another thread all about this but didn't get much help. What I do know is the long cage xtr rear derrailleur included on the pro WILL work with the cassette conversion to an 11-40, not sure if it will work on the 11-42, and don't think it will work on an 11 speed rear cassette conversion, but I'm not positive on that either. Way to find something to spend some money on!
    As far as the adjustability of the front and rear shocks it's all there (I think) and on the fly, with the exception of the travel adjustment on the pike but most forks don't have that anyway. You could still disassemble the pike and change the travel to less if you wanted. From everything I've read the blue lever on both front and rear shocks offer different levels of lockout with one extreme being totally open and the other extreme being fully locked (or close to) I guess the 3 position lockout levers are considered Better? so I'm not sure why the monarch plus doesn't have that option since it's so top of the line.

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    Just ordered the expert! I was hesitant on the sea foam green, but felt the funk was warranted coming from my current flat black bike. Tough choice with how great the pro is, but again, coming from a cheap HT 29er, the expert is still gonna feel incredible. $400 more in my pocket feels nice too.. Thanks all for the input.

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    Same here, the expert is going to be way above and beyond my current bike. Sure the extra $400 would have bought some nice upgrades but the stuff that's on the expert is really good too so no biggie to me, I'll keep the leftover cash.

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    Shipment window starts today for these bikes. My email from BD says "Shipped on 5/27/16" but hopefully they will ship sooner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ernest View Post
    Question about the cassette: is an 11-36T 10 speed cassette adequate for a 1x10 conversion? Seems like you could be limited in your range for climbing/bombing. Also, can you clarify the adjustability of the fork and rear shock? There is some degree of on the fly adjustability and/or lockout, correct? The picture makes clear that there are definitely some blue paddles on both.
    But yes! The bike is awesomely spec'd. You might be convincing me to go pro...
    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    Answer about the cassette: No! I actually did some research about this And most ppl switching to a 1x10 setup usually go to a 32t front chainring which is exactly the same size as the middle chainring on the standard 3x10 setups. So you tell me, can you climb the steepest stuff around in your lowest gear on the middle chainring? doubtful. Luckily both sunrace and praxis offer 10 gear rear cassettes that go 11-40, or even 11-42 which then gets you into the proper gearing range for steep climbs. I actually started another thread all about this but didn't get much help. What I do know is the long cage xtr rear derrailleur included on the pro WILL work with the cassette conversion to an 11-40, not sure if it will work on the 11-42, and don't think it will work on an 11 speed rear cassette conversion, but I'm not positive on that either. Way to find something to spend some money on!
    I am running a 1x10 setup with a 32T in the front and an 11-36 rear on my current Fantom DS Team. It's fine, and I have never run into a climb I couldnt do. I am usually in 2nd or 3rd for 95% of my climbs. I've rarely run out of pedal bombing either. Obviously its not ideal and I am jealous of my wifes 1x11 X1 drive but it works just fine.

    Since this bike is a 27.5, you drop the chainring to a 30T, and you pretty much have the same ratios as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    Shipment window starts today for these bikes. My email from BD says "Shipped on 5/27/16" but hopefully they will ship sooner!

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    My Reply this morning straight from BD:

    Hi,
    Thanks for your reply.
    As it turns out, we have no new info as of yet.
    They are due in by the 27th and we will email everyone
    as soon as they show up
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    Hi Karla, any news yet on shipping date for the hals? I'm so excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Ernest View Post
    Question about the cassette: is an 11-36T 10 speed cassette adequate for a 1x10 conversion? Seems like you could be limited in your range for climbing/bombing. Also, can you clarify the adjustability of the fork and rear shock? There is some degree of on the fly adjustability and/or lockout, correct? The picture makes clear that there are definitely some blue paddles on both.
    But yes! The bike is awesomely spec'd. You might be convincing me to go pro...

    Highly useful article!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    So you tell me, can you climb the steepest stuff around in your lowest gear on the middle chainring?
    Interesting... I haven't really given much thought to swapping out the gearing before but I do typically leave my current 3x8 drivetrain in the middle gear upfront for the whole ride and only shift the rear gears. I can climb the steepest stuff just fine but then again they aren't usually very extended climbs so I don't get fatigued by the time I reach the top. I do notice on the descents though that I need more gear and this is on a 29" tire. I'm especially curious to see how the 2x10 setup and 27.5" tires affect my climbing (as well as the shorter wheelbase and more weight-back geometry), and it will be interesting to see how my shifting changes since I wont have a middle gear to stay in up front any more. It might be worth looking in to doing a 1x11 in the future...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    Luckily both sunrace and praxis offer 10 gear rear cassettes that go 11-40, or even 11-42 which then gets you into the proper gearing range for steep climbs. I actually started another thread all about this but didn't get much help. What I do know is the long cage xtr rear derrailleur included on the pro WILL work with the cassette conversion to an 11-40, not sure if it will work on the 11-42, and don't think it will work on an 11 speed rear cassette conversion, but I'm not positive on that either.
    I wish some of the more experienced guys would weigh in on this stuff for those of us considering a 1x10 conversion!

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    Well, the Hal 6 pro looks like such a good deal, I went ahead and ordered a 46cm green for my 15yr old son.

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    Damn, nice bike for a 15yo!

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    I have to admit that these HAL6 models are smoking deals. At that price, I imagine that they can't be making much profit. Guessing maybe 10% or less, after CC fees.
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    its hard to understand for sure. even if you got a frame for $300 how could you do this build for this price? My only answer is they must get the parts at such a discount for buying bulk, and last years models? They must be selling way more of these bikes than we think. Its so funny how its all a mystery with BD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrglenni View Post
    Damn, nice bike for a 15yo!
    True. He is making straight A's in school and never has to be told to do his homework. He is very responsible and hard working around the house. He loves to ride, rides smart, and has skills. Those facts make me feel good about getting him the bike.

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    Yeah sounds like he deserves it. My boys are 3 and 7 but I've always said when the time comes, I have no problems spoiling them if they earn it, which I guess isn't really spoiling them but you know what I mean

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    Upon ordering 3 days ago I received an email of my PayPal receipt, but have not received any other emails. Has anyone been emailed by Bikes Direct with confirmation or the like? Not that I don't trust BD, but I kinda don't trust BD...

    and the things I would have done for this bike at 15...

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    When I ordered my bike back in on April 23rd I got a reply with a tracking number two days later. I'm still waiting on a reply with the tracking number for my son's bike.

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    Same here, Paypal receipt on April 25th, order conf. from BD on April 27th.

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    Still no email from BD for my son's bike. Have you got anything yet Daniel?

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    They state that they will ship between May 10-27/give or take a few days! They won't be here until June, boys. That's what I'm expecting :P
    I've ordered 3 bikes from BD and have never had issues with anything before. I think the best thing would be to check your UPS tracking number and wait for movement there. Other than that, it's just a waiting game. I never thought I had a ton of patience until now. haha.

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    Daniel and I are awaiting the post-purchase email from BD with the UPS tracking number.

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    I have a hard time not checking my e-mail every five minutes to see if there was a shipment update . In the mean time, I am busy looking at all sorts of crap that I want as well and am going to end up spending more money to take care of my joneses while I wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrglenni View Post
    I have a hard time not checking my e-mail every five minutes to see if there was a shipment update . In the mean time, I am busy looking at all sorts of crap that I want as well and am going to end up spending more money to take care of my joneses while I wait
    Just click on the tracking number and then set up notifications so that when something changes you get a text or email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    Daniel and I are awaiting the post-purchase email from BD with the UPS tracking number.

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    Ahh. I see! Welp, I am not sure what to tell you.
    What colors did you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrglenni View Post
    I have a hard time not checking my e-mail every five minutes to see if there was a shipment update . In the mean time, I am busy looking at all sorts of crap that I want as well and am going to end up spending more money to take care of my joneses while I wait
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    Since ordering my bike in April, I've converted my old(I say old but it's a 2015 29er :P) bike to tubeless, and ordered new pedals & grips for my new bike. There's more, I'm sure, I just can't think of it.

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    The first one I ordered back in April for me is dark silver. The one I ordered for my son on Wednesday this week is Mantis Green so one of each.

    I also ordered a Thomson Elite dropper for mine from Masherz on sale (sale ends today) for 25% off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    Just click on the tracking number and then set up notifications so that when something changes you get a text or email.
    I did... keep checking anyway just in case

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerlwe View Post
    Don't forget pedals
    Since ordering my bike in April, I've converted my old(I say old but it's a 2015 29er :P) bike to tubeless, and ordered new pedals & grips for my new bike. There's more, I'm sure, I just can't think of it.
    I just bought new grips for my old bike which I will take off and transfer to the moto when it gets here, same with my pedals. I got a new set of Shimano DX M47's towards the end of last year and love those things... they will be transferred to the new ride as well. I ordered the components for the tubeless set up though and damn cc in hawaii has me looking at a 1x11 drive-train now, and I've been contemplating a dropper post. On the bright side, I'm coming off of a modded car addiction and ever part was $400+ so looking at bike parts is tame in comparison

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrglenni View Post
    I just bought new grips for my old bike which I will take off and transfer to the moto when it gets here, same with my pedals. I got a new set of Shimano DX M47's towards the end of last year and love those things... they will be transferred to the new ride as well. I ordered the components for the tubeless set up though and damn cc in hawaii has me looking at a 1x11 drive-train now, and I've been
    contemplating a dropper post. On the bright side, I'm coming off of a modded car addiction and ever part was $400+ so looking at bike parts is tame in comparison
    What pedals did you get?

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    I originall got the M-324's when I first went clipless because I liked having the cage to ride without being clipped in some times, but as many others before me found out, it sucks when you do want to clip in and cant tell if the clip side is up or not. I switched to those and they're awesome, no need to clip in if I'm in a spot that makes it hard and even if I don't try, most of the time it just clips in anyway because of how easy they are to get in to. I can still ride in regular shoes going down the bike path with the kids too which is a huge plus. If I were to be looking for a new set though, I'd probably look at getting something like the M9020 or M8020. Same concept with the cages and dual sided clips held at an angle but a little sleeker design and less weight.

    I also use their multi release cleat on my shoes. I'm pretty well trained now to move my foot the right way to un clip but there are still those oh-shit moments when instinct makes me try and move my foot normally. The multi-release makes it so that it will come out both ways but probably at the cost of some positive engagement force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    The first one I ordered back in April for me is dark silver. The one I ordered for my son on Wednesday this week is Mantis Green so one of each.

    I also ordered a Thomson Elite dropper for mine from Masherz on sale (sale ends today) for 25% off.

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    Nice! I would love to see a picture of what the green actually looks like when it does arrive. I ordered the dark silver, as well.
    What length post did you end up purchasing? I've been nervous about getting too long or too short of a post without actually taking measurements from the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerlwe View Post
    What length post did you end up purchasing? I've been nervous about getting too long or too short of a post without actually taking measurements from the bike.
    Agreed, looking at dropper posts on eBay and one was over 400mm long, seems too long to you guys? I have no idea on this stuff but based on the design of the seat tube that it can only go about halfway down or less.

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    I purchased a small Motobecane fantom elite 29er last year and was unable to get my seatpost down as far as I would've liked. It was hitting on the water bottle stops, so I ended up ordering a dropper that worked with me.
    I'm not sure about the depth that this post will go, 400mm doesn't sound like it's too long, but it could be for my height. I'm going to have to wait, measure, and then ride without a dropper for multiple days while I wait for the new one to get here. YUCK!

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    The post I ordered is 31.6 x 400mm. The Ritchie post that comes with the bike is 400mm so I'm hoping the dropper I have ordered will work. I'm going with the m9020 for pedals.

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    Standover height and frame weight musings.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrglenni View Post
    I also wouldn't pay too much attention to the stated stand over height. With the way that top tube slopes I highly doubt the stand over is that much. I am 5'11" and have a 32" inseam as well but I went with the large as I was more concerned with the top tube length and wanted something that wasn't cramped but didn't stretch me out too far forward either. I would go sit on a trance at the lbs and get a feel for what seems more comfortable and try using those specs to match the hal6 size.
    Well back to the standover height discussion. Just came into contact with a guy that recently bought a 42cm (small) 6by6. Now the geometry specs on the bd site say that the standover on the 6by6 is a whopping
    31.7 inches! My friend just sent me a picture measuring from the ground to the top tube just where the toptube bends up and it is 29.5" makes me think you may be right jrg. Also just for fun he weighed his bike frame and it came out to 3347 grams! That's 7.4lbs. For comparison the yeti sb5.5c frame ($3500) weighs in at a claimed 6lbs. The Fully built out and similarly spec'd (to the hal6 pro) sb5.5c GX is a claimed 28.6lbs. Sounds like the hals will come in around 30lbs unless the frame is somehow lighter than the 6by6 frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmishAirline View Post
    Although their new "HAL" bikes are pre-order and nobody has actually seen one or ridden one yet, I have to admit that this is a lot of bike for the price. At $2000, the HAL6 Pro really has some legit componentry. The frame is clearly another Kinesis design, and with the patent expiration on the linkage, the knucklebox rear suspension should be top-notch.
    Why is the HAL6 Pro $500 less than the comparably-equipped 6by6 Team? Is there a weight difference in the frames? There isn't much difference between the two, spec-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonnes View Post
    Why is the HAL6 Pro $500 less than the comparably-equipped 6by6 Team? Is there a weight difference in the frames? There isn't much difference between the two, spec-wise.
    Well that's what we've all been wondering, how can they put this bike together at this price?!?
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    IIRC...the 6by6 Team was $1999 when it first launched. Then the price went up later.

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    Still nothing from BD with confirmation or tracking number. Does anyone have a customer service contact/email address?

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    I would e-mail bikesdirectbikes@aol.com, that's the address they gave for post-order changes so probably makes sense to use it for information as well.

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    I just got email with tracking number for my son's bike a few minutes ago.

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    I'm about to pull the trigger on one...just having a hard time deciding which color!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponda View Post
    I'm about to pull the trigger on one...just having a hard time deciding which color!
    You going for the expert or the pro?

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    I'm starting to get excited! They should be shipping out within the week, hopefully!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndatube67 View Post
    You going for the expert or the pro?

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    Pro! Too good to pass up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponda View Post
    Pro! Too good to pass up.
    Then get the green! Then get a green Sdg circuit saddle.New Motobecanes - first impressions?-image.jpg

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    Was going to pull the trigger on a Mission Pro (at a discount), but the Hal6 Pro looks very impressive. I'm going to guess they're right about the same weight too. I'm going to hold off until some first impressions come in from you that ordered already. For the money, I haven't seen a better deal out there.

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    New guy checking in! I also ordered a Hal6 Pro in grey, my fiancee also ordered a Hal6 Expert in stealth green. Couldn't pass up on the spec list of the pro. Since we are just starting out I think it will be worth the money.

    Already ordered peddles and a bunch of tools!

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    really interested in seeing how these ride when they actually ship.
    make sure to post lots of pictures!
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    I got the Large HAL6 Pro. I just picked this up from chain reaction cycles...RockShox Reverb Dropper Seatpost for $250... Hope it fits based on what I've read

    Diameter 31.6mm
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    $249.99

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    Quote Originally Posted by photonblaster View Post
    I got the Large HAL6 Pro. I just picked this up from chain reaction cycles...RockShox Reverb Dropper Seatpost for $250... Hope it fits based on what I've read

    Diameter 31.6mm
    Length 380mm
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    $249.99
    You'll have to cut a hole in your seatpost, but that's what I plan on doing.
    Edit: I misread that. It'll be perfect!
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    You'll have to cut a hole in your seatpost, but that's what I plan on doing.
    Edit: I misread that. It'll be perfect!
    So, just to confirm, you got the stealth and are planning to drill a hole in the frame? I didn't even think of that. I'm planning to have my local shop, Flynn's put it all together for me. They've done that before with a bike and even delivered it to my house when they were done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photonblaster View Post
    So, just to confirm, you got the stealth and are planning to drill a hole in the frame? I didn't even think of that. I'm planning to have my local shop, Flynn's put it all together for me. They've done that before with a bike and even delivered it to my house when they were done.
    That has been my intention, but I haven't ordered it yet. My friend who is a frame builder told me to go for it, but I'm feeling a bit timid. I definitely want to, but am still contemplating whether or not I care enough about a hidden line to do it.

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    A few people at my work thought the stealth was clearly cooler looking, but felt the exposed wire version of the reverb should not pose any problem at all as long as it was installed in a smart way. (cables neatly tied)

    I initially ordered the $1600 Comp but then upgraded to the pro. Several of my friends have bikes with pikes and I've rode on one - while I haven't rode on a Revelation fork, I was worried it wouldn't be as smooth as the pike. I also did some comparison on what I get for the extra $400. These numbers below maybe off slightly, but represents kind of what I thought the key differences would be when looking at last years' parts at decent discounts.

    component: Comp vs. Pro

    Fork: Rev $700 vs Pike $900
    shock: mon $400 vs Mon+ $500
    Brakes: SLX $150 vs XT $240
    rear der: XT $60 vs XTR $140
    Comp = ~$1310 vs Pro = ~$1780

    clearly Bikesdirect is probably getting better pricing than this, but I figured the $400 upcharge was probably worth at least ~$470 more value than the comp. I'd be interested to know if anyone else had done similar comparisons and if my math was close, or way off.

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    don't forget about the upgraded rear cassette and front derailleur! For me, and I think for most choosing the pro, it's all about the pike. I considered getting the expert and then switching out the pike right away but after looking on eBay it looked like the swap out would cost me about $300 after selling the revelation, paying fees on ebay, etc. not to mention my time. Then when you realize that the pro has a top spec rear shock, better brakes, better front and rear derailleur, it just overwhelmingly pointed to the pro. The last consideration were the colors. Although the black on the expert is cool, the big white decals look terrible and the green pro just called my name. Why am I starting to feel like these bikes will not be shipped by Friday? Does that ever happen that they go past the deadline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    Why am I starting to feel like these bikes will not be shipped by Friday? Does that ever happen that they go past the deadline?
    I am hedging my expectations and assuming they might ship Friday. This is labor day weekend after all - so that could very easily turn into Tuesday or Wednesday.

    I had actually asked them if they would make me a pro in matte black and they politely declined.

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    Wink Hal 6 shipping!

    Well I answered my own question. Just got a response from BD. Read below.

    Yes, according to my CEO and warehouse manager, the container is scheduled to arrive tomorrow so they should start shipping by Friday latest
    We will email everyone as soon as we get confirmation from the warehouse.
    Thanks and have a great day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cc in Hawaii View Post
    Well I answered my own question. Just got a response from BD. Read below.

    Yes, according to my CEO and warehouse manager, the container is scheduled to arrive tomorrow so they should start shipping by Friday latest
    We will email everyone as soon as we get confirmation from the warehouse.
    Thanks and have a great day!
    Yes!!! That is the best news ever. Thank you for checking with them! I didn't want to bother them, but sure am happy you did.

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