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    Motobecane Fantom 29 Pro SL vs Sette and Access..

    I'm in the market for a new 29er, and I have narrowed my choices to three "mail order" bikes. They are the Sette Razzo, The Motobecane fantom 29 Pro SL, and the Access XCL 9.7.

    I'm just undecided on which to buy. These are the specs on each:

    Sette Razzo

    Frame Full 7005 Alloy, Double Butted Main Triangle
    Size(s) Small (16"/40.6cm), Medium (18"/45.7cm), Large (20"/50.8cm), X-Large (22"/55.9cm)
    Fork Rock Shox Reba SL 29 Dual Air 80mm
    Shifters SRAM X.7
    Front Derailleur SRAM X.7 31.8, Low Clamp, Top Pull
    Rear Derailleur SRAM X.9
    Shifter Cable/Housing Alligator PTFE Slick Stainless
    Brake Levers Avid Elixir CR Hydraulic, Black
    Front Brake Avid Elixir CR, 160mm, 6 Bolt Stainless Steel Rotor
    Rear Brake Avid Elixir CR, 160mm, 6 Bolt Stainless Steel Rotor
    Brake Cable/Housing Avid Hydraulic
    Crankset Truvativ Stylo 3.3
    Bottom Bracket Integrated with Crankset
    Cassette Shimano CS-HG61-9 11-36T 9speed
    Chain SRAM PC-951
    Headset FSA 1-1/8" Orbit XL II Threadless
    Handlebar Sette XLR OS 31.8 Alloy, Black
    Grips Sette S-Type Grip, Black
    Stem Sette Edge OS, 10 Degree Rise, Black
    Saddle Sette Lynx
    Seatpost Sette APX Alloy, Black, 27.2 x 400mm
    Rims Mavic 719 Black, Disc Specific, 32H
    Front Hub Shimano Deore M529, Black, 32H, 6 Bolt Disc Mount
    Rear Hub Shimano Deore M529, Black, 32H, 6 Bolt Disc Mount
    Spokes 14G/15G Black Stainless Double Butted Spokes/Anodized Black Nipples
    Pedals Shimano PD - M505, Black
    Front Tire Kenda Small Block Eight DTC 29" x 2.1, 60 tpi (Folding Bead)
    Rear Tire Kenda Small Block Eight DTC 29" x 2.1, 60 tpi (Folding Bead)
    Color(s) Polished Aluminum
    Warranty 5 Years
    Weight 26 lbs / 11793.4g / 11.8kg (Medium Size Avg.)



    Motobecane 29 Pro SL

    Frame MOTO29X Aluminum with TrailTuned PowerStay Design, DualProfile Downtube with reinforced Gusset, replaceable rear derailleur hanger, water bottle mount
    Fork RockShox 29er Reba SL WITH Motion Control damping and PopLoc Adjust, 100mm travel*, Adjustable Rebound
    Crankset TruVativ FireX, 22/32/44T with integrated GXP BB
    175mm on 19 and larger / 170mm on 17 and smaller
    Bottom Bracket TruVativ GXP external bearing, 68mm
    Pedals Mountain Platform
    Front Derailleur Shimano Deore, 31.8mm clamp
    Rear Derailleur Shimano XTR long cage or Shimano XTR Shadow (no choice)
    Shifters Shimano XT 2-Way Release Rapid Fire 27 speed trigger shift
    Cassette/Freewheel Shimano HG cassette 9 speed 11-32T
    Chain Z9000 super narrow 9 speed
    Hubs Gravity by Formula Sealed Bearing Disc, Black Anodize finish with Quick Release
    Spokes Stainless steel
    Rims WTB Trail29 LaserDisc Black anodized Aluminum
    Tires Kenda Small Block8 29x2.1, Tomac Edition, Folding Bead
    Brakes Avid Elixir Hydraulic Disc front and rear, 185mm rotor
    Brake Levers Avid for Disc Brake
    Headset FSA or CaneCreek (NoChoice) Sealed Bearing threadless 1 1/8 in
    Handlebar Ritchey Comp Black Finish Aluminum 6061 T6
    Stem Ritchey Comp 31.8mm Black Finish Aluminum threadless
    Tape/Grip WTB DualCompound
    Saddle WTB RocketV
    Seat Post Ritchey Comp Black Finish Aluminum Mountain 27.2x300mm
    Seat Post Clamp Super Light Alloy with Quick Release
    Sizes 13", 15", 17", 19", 21" Click for 29R Geometry



    Access XCL 9.7

    BOTTOM BRACKET: TruVativ Giga X Pipe XR
    BRAKES: Avid Elixir 5 Hydraulic Disc w/ 185mm front, 160mm rear
    CASSETTE: SRAM PG-950, 11/34T, 9-speed
    CHAIN: KMC HG73 1/2" 11/128" 106L
    CRANKSET: TruVativ FireX 3.3 aluminum, 22/32/44T
    FORK: Rock Shox Tora SL 100mm travel
    FRAME: 6061 Aluminum
    FRONT DERAILLEUR: SRAM X.7, 34.9, top-pull
    GRIPS/TAPE: Velo Oury
    HANDLEBAR: MTB, butted aluminum, 710mm, 25mm rise
    HEADSET: Cane Creek Semi-integrated
    LEVERS: Avid Elixir 5 Hydraulic Disc
    PEDALS: Wellgo WPD-801, chromoly axle
    REAR DERAILLEUR: SRAM X.7, long cage
    REAR SHOCK: NA
    SADDLE: Velo
    SEATPOST: 7075 Aluminum, 31.6, 350L
    SHIFTERS: SRAM X.7 Trigger
    STEM: Forged Alloy 4-bolt, 7° rise, EXT:15"=90mm,17"=100mm,19"=110mm, 21/23"=120mm, 31.8
    TIRES: Schwalbe Albert HS 29 x 2.1"
    WHEELSET: Rims: Mavic TN 719 Disc, 29", 32H; Hubs: CNC alloy, disc, sealed, 32H

    Does anybody see anything in the other bikes that would be a - or + compared to the Motobecane Fantom 29 Pro L?

    Thanks

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    I have the Pro Sl and really like it.I considered the Sette but went for the SL.The Sette is a very nicely spec'd bike BUT it is $200 more,has a 80mm fork and SRAM .While SRAM is great I just prefer Shimano but thats just me.The money I saved went into pedals/shoes and a few other things.

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    Razzo or Motobecane, they are both pretty close with the Razzo being better looking (IMHO), a bit lighter, but with the Moto having better specs on the derailers (Deore/XT//XTR vs. X7/X9). Both are good bikes and have received great reviews, it all just depends on what you're after. The Access just falls behind with just the Tora SL, X-7 deraillers, and Avid Elixir 5 brakes. That bike is more closely specced like the Windsor Cliff 29er Pro or Motobecane Fantom 29er Pro (not SL version).
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    I have ridden the hell out of my Pro SL for over a year. It's a great bike. I considered the Razzo, but am happy with the Moto. I am going to buy a new 29er and suspect I'll end up with the Moto Fly Ti.

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    New question here. Should Access discounts trump personal preference for Sette when money is concern?

    Just received coupons for 25% and 10% off of performance purchase (stackable). Also figure if go with 'buyers club' membership would get an additional 10% in bike bucks. So would get access (lookin' at 9.7 as budget is ~$1,000) for 40% off (net cost ~$610) depending on how the bike bucks would be calculated (orig price vs paid price). Comments here created a preference for Sette Razzo but they are currently out of stock for my size (20). I am thinking for the price differential the Access will do just fine. Just started mountain biking, wanna do the Ouachita Challenge in April next year with my son, 6'2" and 200lbs, have used another 29er in past but it was low end and it did not stand up to use very well (lasted about 3 months, wheel dish and bottom bracket issues). Given budget constraints and the opportunity mentioned above I cannot see the advantage of the Sette over the discounted Access. Not enough experience in market to know if Pricepoint would have any discounts pending. Whaddayathink?

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    I know it seems like I drank the Moto kool-aid, but when you look at it... For $610 (plus shipping and or tax depending on where you live) the Access will give you a lower grade fork, brakes, shifters, and front and rear derailleurs compared to $999 for the Fantom Pro SL to your door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2o-x
    I know it seems like I drank the Moto kool-aid, but when you look at it... For $610 (plus shipping and or tax depending on where you live) the Access will give you a lower grade fork, brakes, shifters, and front and rear derailleurs compared to $999 for the Fantom Pro SL to your door.
    It’s logic not kool-aid, and what’s wrong with kool-aid anyway?
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    There is nothing wrong with kool-aid unless a guy named J Jones offers you a cup of grape kool-aid. Don't drink it!

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    jim Jones actually served his minions cyanide-laced grape-flavored Flavor Aid (not Kool-Aid despite the popular phrase).

    Quote Originally Posted by h2o-x View Post
    There is nothing wrong with kool-aid unless a guy named J Jones offers you a cup of grape kool-aid. Don't drink it!

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