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    Motobecane 29+ models?

    I have heard the rumblings... anyone have any links to pics of the forthcoming 29+ bikes? Will they be alloy or steel? Discuss!
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    Want 29+ Ti, Want, want. Been looking at Carver, but lots of $$$$

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    I posted the question asking if 29+ wheelsets would fit on their Night Train or Sturgis models on the BD Fat Bike thread in the forum as well as on their FB page with no response. Still waiting myself.

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    Chris from BD said that the 29+ is coming March 2015......sweet.
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    They have it on the DB website, bummer they don't have a 10spd model, maybe they are going to see how people respond to the cheaper one. If they made the 29er + in the Ti and Carbon flavor they would out most of the big names in the business. I'm lurking over here getting some information on some of the fat bikes shopping for the wife, I must say they have some nice ones. DB has had the fly as their main 29er flagship for a long time now and this 29er + thing is going to explode because traction is king and so is simplicity.

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    The Night Train and Sturgis will fit a 29+ and I'm liking those right now. BUT, a nice STEEL model would be awesome.
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    Also, guys I just seen a post on their FB. Page saying that they are going to be coming out with a 2x10 much nicer 29er + bike.

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    I'm considering the Motobecane 29+SS, but I see some issues which you would expect for the price.
    First, the wheels seem to be 35mm inner width (according to recent post here), which may be okay for 2.4 width 29er tires (a good thing), but I don't know how good they would be with the delivered 3" and especially the supposed 4" tires (according to their site). Thoughts?
    Secondly, the rims are not drilled out to save weight, so they could be quite heavy (hard to say). Third, both wheels are bolt on. Fourth, the cranks are spline. Fifth, rigid fork with 29er tires could be teeth chattering, but that's a personal preference in some ways.

    If someone has one of these, please divulge details.

    I sent an email to bikesdirect, and first they didn't answer my question about general tire availability, and then he assumed I knew nothing and sent a link to the Surly Krampus website, so I could get educated on the 29+ movement. Frankly, I don't care about trends and just want to know if I can find tires at reasonable prices. If the 35mm inner width is true, I would think you could run a 2.4 or similar 29er tire. It would have a square-er profile, some of these tires were meant for wider downhill rims in the ~25mm range so maybe you could get away with it. Thoughts?

    Awesome AM ride with a fork, or just a really weak fat bike?
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    Update: Email from BD says 32mm internal width on those rims. Also, the ability to run up to 4" tires refers to 26x4". I have not found a 700 x 4" tire anyway.
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    Update#2: I ordered one like this http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...+ss-gry-21.jpg

    After riding the stock tires, I will probably try some Kenda Nevagal 2.3's that I have lying around. May go tubeless

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    Looks like the Gravity Bullseye Monster can clear a 29+ tire, at least on a Blunt 35mm rim:







    Then you don't have to deal with the silly long 480mm chainstays of their 29+ model.

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    Then you don't have to deal with the silly long 480mm chainstays of their 29+ model.[/QUOTE]

    Good point but I don't mind the long chain stays as I bought the 29+ for climbing capabilities in slick conditions. Spring will be a good test here in the Northeast. I hope it will be ideal in the mud. In snow the 3" tires are decent but there can be ice underneath here with freeze-thaw. Considering some 29er ice spikers but rims may be too wide for 2.35 tires(?).

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    Diylighter-according to the website, the geometry on the single speed and the geared versions are the same. I am considering the geared version. How is this bike at mud riding? I ride an old steel, rigid mountain bike from the 90's that I am perfectly happy with except for riding in the mud. I live very near some old logging roads which turn into clinging clay mud when they are wet. I don't mind losing traction so much as I mind the clog of mud at the fork, chainstay and seat stay. It is one thing to push a bike up a slippery climb. It is another to have to drag it down the other side. Have you had yours out in the mud much? If so, does it collect mud like in the picture below?

    This is what I would like to avoid.

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    Just to follow up that a 29+ tire does indeed work on the Bullseye Monster:



    It's a little amazing how much better the bikes feels with the big wheels in place of the fat tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soma? Yes Soma! View Post
    Diylighter-according to the website, the geometry on the single speed and the geared versions are the same. I am considering the geared version. How is this bike at mud riding? I ride an old steel, rigid mountain bike from the 90's that I am perfectly happy with except for riding in the mud. I live very near some old logging roads which turn into clinging clay mud when they are wet. I don't mind losing traction so much as I mind the clog of mud at the fork, chainstay and seat stay. It is one thing to push a bike up a slippery climb. It is another to have to drag it down the other side. Have you had yours out in the mud much? If so, does it collect mud like in the picture below?
    Lol I have a similar pic of my Giant Anthem x29 from the late Fall, and it's part of the reason I bought the SS 29+. I haven't had the fantom in mud yet but given the claim that it can support 4" tires, I'm sure it will be fine especially with wide 29er tires.

    So far the brakes are lame even compared to old juicy 5s and the hubs don't even have cartridge bearings. Gearing is way too high but for $20 got 8 spd chain and 21t cog @ LBS. Other than that and considering the price I'm happy so far - but really looking forward to mud test.

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    Seat boy, how much clearance is there between the tires and the frame/fork? Is there plenty of space for mud to pass through?

    Edit-I noticed your pics above but more are always welcome

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    It's somewhat tight, worse than a typical bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soma? Yes Soma! View Post
    Seat boy, how much clearance is there between the tires and the frame/fork? Is there plenty of space for mud to pass through?

    Edit-I noticed your pics above but more are always welcome

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    Stock 29+:
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    Quote Originally Posted by diylighter View Post
    Stock 29+:
    This looks like good clearance.

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    It's a little amazing how much better the bikes feels with the big wheels in place of the fat tires.
    seat_boy: I'm curious how the traction compares between the two tire sizes. Are you running a Surly Knard 3" vs a Vee Rubber 4"? Have you had them both out in snow and mud? I was thinking about buying some fat bike wheels and doing the inverse of what you did, but then I heard the Vee 4" were terrible. FYI, the stock Gravity Vidar 3" tires are decent so far when run low PSI but I would think the 4" float better. These, like a 29er vs 26 have a longer, narrowerer contact patch that I'm guessing is better in some situations and worse in others. Thanks

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    Fork looks fine,
    How about that rear chainstay yoke? It looked like it was touching in the 3rd pic.
    I am seriously thinking about this combo.
    How does it ride?

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    Any news on either a higher end 29+ or just a frame/fork combo?
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    No problem with the chainstay clearance, I tried to take this picture straight on:



    I like the 29 Plus setup so far (much better than the stock fat wheels, in fact), though I haven't had any dry trails to try it out at a faster pace. I'm running relatively narrow rims (the $100 Fattie Slims wheelset) for such a wide tire, so tire squirm may be an issue at speed. Hasn't been an issue so far, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trailice View Post
    Fork looks fine,
    How about that rear chainstay yoke? It looked like it was touching in the 3rd pic.
    I am seriously thinking about this combo.
    How does it ride?

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    Let's keep pics and reviews rolling, i'd love to see this bike loaded down, really hoping BD will come out with a higher end 29+ model especially with a bluto up front and a chromoly frame.

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    If you want a bluto why not get the fat bike and put 29+ wheels on it?
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    Yeah, I would love to see a steel or ti 29+ offering with a less relaxed geometry.

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    Update: So Spring is finally here in the Northeast, which means melting snow, rain, and flooding. Plenty of mud on the singletrack

    I am happy to report that my 29+ with Vidar tires kicked booty in the mud. I went in with a little skepticism but it was just so much fun plowing through the mud and having a ton of traction in the turns.
    I did pinchflat, but that was my own fault for not gauging the pressure after the snow. I was probably way low, especially in the rear. After throwing in my spare 29er tube and pumping her back up, she flowed much better. I'll be dialing it in this weekend.

    Happy camper

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    I have debated throwing 29+ wheels/tires on an existing fatty... It's actually pricey when you sit down and start adding everything up. Just wishing BD would come out with a higher end 29+ model. I am very close to modifying my Karate monkey chainstays to fit 29+. If successful if will post pics . Hey daylighter post some pics of your dirty beast!

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    I have debated throwing 29+ wheels/tires on an existing fatty... It's actually pricey when you sit down and start adding everything up. Just wishing BD would come out with a higher end 29+ model. I am very close to modifying my Karate monkey chainstays to fit 29+. If successful if will post pics . Hey daylighter post some pics of your dirty beast!
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    2nd mud ride: You feel unstoppable with these tires in mud. I see standing water with ruts 5" deep and I just smile as I float right over. I'm sure it's the same on a fat bike, but I don't feel like I'm lugging around MX wheels.

    I did wish for a fork as the speed increased over babyheads. The tires are not a substitute for a fork, not even a crappy 80mm fork. Looked around here on MTBR and didn't see many options. Not even a Bluto as it's not tall enough at the crown.

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    I also am curious to know which forks will fit 29+ tires with or withought dremeling the arch.
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    Figured I could chime in as there doesn't seem to be too many reviews out there on the 29+ offering. I've had the single speed for a bout a week and have really enjoyed it. Out the box I replaced the saddle, threw on some wider bars, and a 40mm stem. Quickly realized the brakes weren't quite where I wanted them to be for the type of trails I ride so I swapped on some bb7s which are a major upgrade. The pedals suck, those are next. Overall the bike is really fun. Took it on a 20 mile gravel/trail ride the other night and she was great. A lot more fun than my old hard tail 29er in my opinion. Im 6'2'' with a 32 inseam and the 20 inch frame fits perfect.

    Whats the scoop on suspension fork set ups for these? I'm unsure if the bluto will clear the big 29+, but I've seen a krampus or two with a fox fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgarter View Post
    Figured I could chime in as there doesn't seem to be too many reviews out there on the 29+ offering. I've had the single speed for a bout a week and have really enjoyed it. Out the box I replaced the saddle, threw on some wider bars, and a 40mm stem. Quickly realized the brakes weren't quite where I wanted them to be for the type of trails I ride so I swapped on some bb7s which are a major upgrade. The pedals suck, those are next. Overall the bike is really fun. Took it on a 20 mile gravel/trail ride the other night and she was great. A lot more fun than my old hard tail 29er in my opinion. Im 6'2'' with a 32 inseam and the 20 inch frame fits perfect.

    Whats the scoop on suspension fork set ups for these? I'm unsure if the bluto will clear the big 29+, but I've seen a krampus or two with a fox fork.
    Hey thanks for the tip on the BB7s being a good upgrade. The stock brakes are definitely not up to the task for the momentum of the wheels. Will try some Juicy 5s off another bike. I too swapped the bars for something wider (need the leverage).

    For the sake of comparison, I'm 5'9" with 30 inseam (pants anyway), and I ride an 18 frame.

    Yesterday, the muddy trails were frozen and I was wishing for my light XC geared 29er. Good training though
    Food for thought . . . leave this one as-is with a rigid fork for singlespeed (no bob), and get something else with a fork. Pretty sure it wasn't just the fork that was slowing me down yesterday on basically dry trails. The tires are friction monsters meant for the soft stuff, IMHO. Could air them up or swap them out for 29er XC race tires, but then it'll be even harsher.

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    Enjoyin' my ladies SS 29+ model so much, that I think I may need to get one myself!

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

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    Added a few colored bits...

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    Liking the colors! Anyone try and fit a 26x4 set on these? I'm pretty sure there's clearence

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    Motobecane 29+ SS review

    Hi,

    Just received my Motobecane 29+ SS.

    For the sake of the review, I'm a regular commuter and using my bike every day. I tested fat bike last winter with a Mongoose Beast (I know it sucks but this was very interesting anyway) because we have a lot of snow here in Montreal. I figured this 29+ should be nice for my use.
    I don't do a lot of trails and I don't own 1000$+ bikes.

    A note for canadians:
    I was able to bought it by calling BD. I shipped the bike to an UPS store near the border where I live. Call the store before to see if they can hold the package for you. It cost me 5$.

    Packaging: The bike was well protected, nothing scratched or bent inside.
    Be sure to have oil and grease as there is not so much on the bike (to my liking anyway).

    Everything went well except for these:
    - Seat post is VERY long, I'm 5'8" and it touched the water cage mounting screw on the seat tube.
    - Chain was very tight and I couldn't loosen it since the rear dropouts were already at minimum lenght. I hope this won't wear too fast.
    This could also be problematic to remove chain.

    Don't believe what is written on the website. Fork axle spacing is 100mm and rear axle is 135mm.

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    I tested it on the road and singletrack and I had a lot of fun. it seems like a good balance between a fat bike and a regular mountain bike.

    I plan on weighting parts and giving more informations later.

    I will also order an Alfine 8 speed hub to replace the SS. Remember this will be a 4 season commuter and trail bike when I need it.

    Edit 12/05/2015:
    I weighted the bike, it's the 18" model and it comes at 13,9Kgs

    Pedals are 202grs each
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    Saddle + post is 724grs
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    I weighted more last night:

    Front wheel, rim strip, brake disk and nuts: 1640grs
    32mm in, 38mm out
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    The hub bearing was overtightened.
    I loosened it up and it turned much better without any play.

    Tube (Innova brand) 426grs
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    Tire 852grs
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    Tire reflector is 16g (no pics for this)

    Removed the fork and changed grease for some green boat trailer grease:
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    Photo shows vanilla grease, not so much to my liking as this bike will be outside most of the time.

    Fork naked (1370grs):
    Motobecane 29+ models?-dscn3579.jpg

    Chain (316grs), note that you don't need a special tool to remove it. i just didn't see the quick link after I used the special tool.
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    Frame and dropout:
    Weighted in at 3600grs, frame, brake caliper and cable, BB, cranks.
    I was too lazy to remove the caliper and didn't have the tool for cranks.
    I think the bare frame should be around 2300grs.
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    Headset (226grs):
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    Front caliper and cable (282grs):
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    Handlebar and stuff (554grs):
    I wasn't able to remove the handles, well I could but was too lazzy :-)
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    Rear tube was 310grs, a big difference from the front one !

    Rear wheel + bolts is 2000grs

    Rear tire 870grs.
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    My Problem with this Motobecane 2015 29+SS.....

    I want better wheels, Say Rabbit hole 50 with 29+ Dirt wizards. Possibly a Suspension fork. but I don't have to I could ride it as is.



    the other thing is I just put my Gravity point2 29er up against a whole bunch of Giants (demo day) I used a lot more gears with my 29er than I dd the 27.5's. funny thing is Garmin says my point2 had the fastest laps. maybe its because I used more gears. Although the XTC 27.5 hardtail was way way more fun for me. I'll have to save pennies for the BD Ti 27.5

    Gist is I don't know about the single speed part with the 29+ thing :'(
    I do like this bike a lot more than the 26x3 Deadeye SS non-monster.

    However the Deadeye Non-monster has a better price point $299, and comes with 50mm drill rims. seeing how I can get 26x2.75 surly dirt wizards 27 tpi at $65 (27 tpi is better for tubeless. Running tubeless also more than makes up for the added weight of 27tpi over the 120 tpi. dirt wizards.

    So $299 + $130. I'd getto split tube it tubeless. $429 with a good chance the fun factor will be higher on the smaller diameter wheels.

    But seriously its nit picking the price with the Motobecane 2015 29+SS being $449

    I can also fit a 26x4 on the front of Deadeye. So if I wanted a floater for winter there is that. It could also go on the 50mm wheel that comes with deadeye.

    and of course the Gravity Fatbikes Bullseye Monster 2x8 is on bikeisland my size right now for $449

    I am also not running 10, 20 + miles of single track.... The root covered trail from house to shop is 1/2 mile. Taking the dog out is a lot of stop and go.

    thanks for the pictures SeatBoy, I think I saw your blog the other day. You did blog about the bullseye and the difference between the 4" and 3" ? Anyways along those lines in snow, I'd almost rather put a 700cx37 Continental Top Contact Winter II on my current 29er. cut and move, or float and grind.

    kgarter and dangdang thanks for the pictures..... those swung me back towards this Moto 29+ss

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Looks like the Gravity Bullseye Monster can clear a 29+ tire, at least on a Blunt 35mm rim:

    Then you don't have to deal with the silly long 480mm chainstays of their 29+ model.
    nice, I didn't even look at any of those numbers. But now that I have looked..... the bullseye 27+, bullseye 29+, Moto 29+x5, and moto 29+ss all have whack weird chainstay lengths. Unless that helps traction on climbing on a snow covered hill?

    Interesting enough the Bullseye Monster also has a 70.5 HT, which is what I like about the Deadeye non-monster single speed.

    Which brings up a question. Seeing how the Bullseye comes with Single wall drilled 50mm rims. I am assuming that we can mount a 29+ 3" tire to those. (I think i read somewhere guys were using Surly Rabbit holes) But will that combo still Fit on the Bullseye Monster?

    I don't like the numbers Gorman2040 added on wheels. If I want SS then I better grab the Deadeye. If I want 29+ then I might want the Bullseye monster.

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    Fitting fenders

    So yesterday I tried to fit my old 26x4.00" Big O Mfg fenders on the motobecane. I know not a lot of people are fond of fenders on MTB but this could be useful for some...

    I figured that at the price of these fenders, they deserve a new life (I had them on a mongoose beast during the winter). Plus they provide very good coverage.

    Front: I had to use rack eyelets as the one for fenders get in the way of the brake caliper (do they really though about this ?). Note the red plastic I used for mud flap. I'm going to reduce it later.
    Space at fork crown is tight. The fender is somewhat deformed but when it is fixed, it's fine.
    Motobecane 29+ models?-dscn3586.jpgMotobecane 29+ models?-dscn3588.jpg

    Back: Problem with the dropout, no eyelets and no place to drill some. It would get in the way of axle nuts and limit chain slack adjustment.
    I'm going to buy P-clamp to install it on seat stay. Otherwise seatstay and chainstay brace installation wont be a porblem. I had to cut the side of the fender around the chain because it was rubbing.
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    More pics later.

    So here is the complete setup:
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    The front mud flap is a little extreme and I expect it to die soon but this is a trial :-)

    Some details of the setup (now weighting 14.6 Kgs).

    Chainstay clearance:
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    P-clamp for rear fender (note I had to move it to the left so it wont touch brake caliper):
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    Seatstay bridge:
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    Chain clearance:
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    Some measurements of the frame (medium 18" frame):

    Chainstay 47cm
    Seatstay 47cm
    Seat tube 46cm
    Top tube 59cm
    Down tube 71cm
    Headtube 10cm

    Next step will be installing the Alfine 8 speed hub but this will be discussed in the IGH part of the forum.
    Last edited by gorman2040; 05-26-2015 at 08:28 AM. Reason: Adding more info

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    Enjoyin' some trail time!

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    So far this bike is really cool !
    I think the gearing may be too high for climbing very steep or swamped/muddy trails but it's nice for most terrains.

    I had to adjust front brake rubbing as a lot of people seem to have with these Avid IO and now they work well.
    The key is to adjust left/right with the two fixing screws.
    I will try to post a pic later.

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    Did you confirm the bottom bracket shell as well? I assume it's a normal 68 or 73mm, not the fatbike 100mm.

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    Don't believe what is written on the website. Fork axle spacing is 100mm and rear axle is 135mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Did you confirm the bottom bracket shell as well? I assume it's a normal 68 or 73mm, not the fatbike 100mm.
    Yep, just measured it on my 18". It's 68mm. I can also confirm the 175mm crank lengh.

    Other data:

    - Rim strip 32 grs
    - Spoke 6~8 grs (device not sensible enough to acurately weight)
    - Stripped rim 870 grs
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    Please keep the reviews of this bike coming. I'm interested in a cheap, 29+ SSer and this is potentially a good choice. Thanks!
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    I am really torn between this and the krampus, I realize the krampus is a much better bike but obviously there is a significant price difference. :/

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    Hey mgftp, I'm a krampus owner and 2 of my buddies are about to pull the trigger on either this or the 27.5+ version.... I will most likely be posting reviews on here myself.
    On another note.... The Krampus absolutely kicks ass. I grduated to Krampus after riding a Karate Monkey for a year. Totally love my Krampus
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I am really torn between this and the krampus, I realize the krampus is a much better bike but obviously there is a significant price difference. :/
    I would say that it really depends on how you plan to ride it. Standard gears, single speed or IGH. Also steel or alu frame is somewhat different.

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