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    Motobecane 29+ models?

    I have heard the rumblings... anyone have any links to pics of the forthcoming 29+ bikes? Will they be alloy or steel? Discuss!
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    Want 29+ Ti, Want, want. Been looking at Carver, but lots of $$$$

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    I posted the question asking if 29+ wheelsets would fit on their Night Train or Sturgis models on the BD Fat Bike thread in the forum as well as on their FB page with no response. Still waiting myself.

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    Chris from BD said that the 29+ is coming March 2015......sweet.
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    They have it on the DB website, bummer they don't have a 10spd model, maybe they are going to see how people respond to the cheaper one. If they made the 29er + in the Ti and Carbon flavor they would out most of the big names in the business. I'm lurking over here getting some information on some of the fat bikes shopping for the wife, I must say they have some nice ones. DB has had the fly as their main 29er flagship for a long time now and this 29er + thing is going to explode because traction is king and so is simplicity.

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    The Night Train and Sturgis will fit a 29+ and I'm liking those right now. BUT, a nice STEEL model would be awesome.
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    Also, guys I just seen a post on their FB. Page saying that they are going to be coming out with a 2x10 much nicer 29er + bike.

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    I'm considering the Motobecane 29+SS, but I see some issues which you would expect for the price.
    First, the wheels seem to be 35mm inner width (according to recent post here), which may be okay for 2.4 width 29er tires (a good thing), but I don't know how good they would be with the delivered 3" and especially the supposed 4" tires (according to their site). Thoughts?
    Secondly, the rims are not drilled out to save weight, so they could be quite heavy (hard to say). Third, both wheels are bolt on. Fourth, the cranks are spline. Fifth, rigid fork with 29er tires could be teeth chattering, but that's a personal preference in some ways.

    If someone has one of these, please divulge details.

    I sent an email to bikesdirect, and first they didn't answer my question about general tire availability, and then he assumed I knew nothing and sent a link to the Surly Krampus website, so I could get educated on the 29+ movement. Frankly, I don't care about trends and just want to know if I can find tires at reasonable prices. If the 35mm inner width is true, I would think you could run a 2.4 or similar 29er tire. It would have a square-er profile, some of these tires were meant for wider downhill rims in the ~25mm range so maybe you could get away with it. Thoughts?

    Awesome AM ride with a fork, or just a really weak fat bike?
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    Update: Email from BD says 32mm internal width on those rims. Also, the ability to run up to 4" tires refers to 26x4". I have not found a 700 x 4" tire anyway.
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    Update#2: I ordered one like this http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...+ss-gry-21.jpg

    After riding the stock tires, I will probably try some Kenda Nevagal 2.3's that I have lying around. May go tubeless

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    Looks like the Gravity Bullseye Monster can clear a 29+ tire, at least on a Blunt 35mm rim:







    Then you don't have to deal with the silly long 480mm chainstays of their 29+ model.

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    Then you don't have to deal with the silly long 480mm chainstays of their 29+ model.[/QUOTE]

    Good point but I don't mind the long chain stays as I bought the 29+ for climbing capabilities in slick conditions. Spring will be a good test here in the Northeast. I hope it will be ideal in the mud. In snow the 3" tires are decent but there can be ice underneath here with freeze-thaw. Considering some 29er ice spikers but rims may be too wide for 2.35 tires(?).

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    Diylighter-according to the website, the geometry on the single speed and the geared versions are the same. I am considering the geared version. How is this bike at mud riding? I ride an old steel, rigid mountain bike from the 90's that I am perfectly happy with except for riding in the mud. I live very near some old logging roads which turn into clinging clay mud when they are wet. I don't mind losing traction so much as I mind the clog of mud at the fork, chainstay and seat stay. It is one thing to push a bike up a slippery climb. It is another to have to drag it down the other side. Have you had yours out in the mud much? If so, does it collect mud like in the picture below?

    This is what I would like to avoid.

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    Just to follow up that a 29+ tire does indeed work on the Bullseye Monster:



    It's a little amazing how much better the bikes feels with the big wheels in place of the fat tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soma? Yes Soma! View Post
    Diylighter-according to the website, the geometry on the single speed and the geared versions are the same. I am considering the geared version. How is this bike at mud riding? I ride an old steel, rigid mountain bike from the 90's that I am perfectly happy with except for riding in the mud. I live very near some old logging roads which turn into clinging clay mud when they are wet. I don't mind losing traction so much as I mind the clog of mud at the fork, chainstay and seat stay. It is one thing to push a bike up a slippery climb. It is another to have to drag it down the other side. Have you had yours out in the mud much? If so, does it collect mud like in the picture below?
    Lol I have a similar pic of my Giant Anthem x29 from the late Fall, and it's part of the reason I bought the SS 29+. I haven't had the fantom in mud yet but given the claim that it can support 4" tires, I'm sure it will be fine especially with wide 29er tires.

    So far the brakes are lame even compared to old juicy 5s and the hubs don't even have cartridge bearings. Gearing is way too high but for $20 got 8 spd chain and 21t cog @ LBS. Other than that and considering the price I'm happy so far - but really looking forward to mud test.

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    Seat boy, how much clearance is there between the tires and the frame/fork? Is there plenty of space for mud to pass through?

    Edit-I noticed your pics above but more are always welcome

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    It's somewhat tight, worse than a typical bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soma? Yes Soma! View Post
    Seat boy, how much clearance is there between the tires and the frame/fork? Is there plenty of space for mud to pass through?

    Edit-I noticed your pics above but more are always welcome

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    Stock 29+:
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    Quote Originally Posted by diylighter View Post
    Stock 29+:
    This looks like good clearance.

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    It's a little amazing how much better the bikes feels with the big wheels in place of the fat tires.
    seat_boy: I'm curious how the traction compares between the two tire sizes. Are you running a Surly Knard 3" vs a Vee Rubber 4"? Have you had them both out in snow and mud? I was thinking about buying some fat bike wheels and doing the inverse of what you did, but then I heard the Vee 4" were terrible. FYI, the stock Gravity Vidar 3" tires are decent so far when run low PSI but I would think the 4" float better. These, like a 29er vs 26 have a longer, narrowerer contact patch that I'm guessing is better in some situations and worse in others. Thanks

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    Fork looks fine,
    How about that rear chainstay yoke? It looked like it was touching in the 3rd pic.
    I am seriously thinking about this combo.
    How does it ride?

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    Any news on either a higher end 29+ or just a frame/fork combo?
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    No problem with the chainstay clearance, I tried to take this picture straight on:



    I like the 29 Plus setup so far (much better than the stock fat wheels, in fact), though I haven't had any dry trails to try it out at a faster pace. I'm running relatively narrow rims (the $100 Fattie Slims wheelset) for such a wide tire, so tire squirm may be an issue at speed. Hasn't been an issue so far, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trailice View Post
    Fork looks fine,
    How about that rear chainstay yoke? It looked like it was touching in the 3rd pic.
    I am seriously thinking about this combo.
    How does it ride?

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    Let's keep pics and reviews rolling, i'd love to see this bike loaded down, really hoping BD will come out with a higher end 29+ model especially with a bluto up front and a chromoly frame.

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    If you want a bluto why not get the fat bike and put 29+ wheels on it?
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    Yeah, I would love to see a steel or ti 29+ offering with a less relaxed geometry.

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    Update: So Spring is finally here in the Northeast, which means melting snow, rain, and flooding. Plenty of mud on the singletrack

    I am happy to report that my 29+ with Vidar tires kicked booty in the mud. I went in with a little skepticism but it was just so much fun plowing through the mud and having a ton of traction in the turns.
    I did pinchflat, but that was my own fault for not gauging the pressure after the snow. I was probably way low, especially in the rear. After throwing in my spare 29er tube and pumping her back up, she flowed much better. I'll be dialing it in this weekend.

    Happy camper

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    I have debated throwing 29+ wheels/tires on an existing fatty... It's actually pricey when you sit down and start adding everything up. Just wishing BD would come out with a higher end 29+ model. I am very close to modifying my Karate monkey chainstays to fit 29+. If successful if will post pics . Hey daylighter post some pics of your dirty beast!

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    I have debated throwing 29+ wheels/tires on an existing fatty... It's actually pricey when you sit down and start adding everything up. Just wishing BD would come out with a higher end 29+ model. I am very close to modifying my Karate monkey chainstays to fit 29+. If successful if will post pics . Hey daylighter post some pics of your dirty beast!
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    In the cage is a tool case that I made with 2 old water bottles cut and pushed together. Watertight and held securely by velcro strap. FYI, I still use a camelbak but it's that much lighter now (probably 2-3 lbs) on my back.

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    2nd mud ride: You feel unstoppable with these tires in mud. I see standing water with ruts 5" deep and I just smile as I float right over. I'm sure it's the same on a fat bike, but I don't feel like I'm lugging around MX wheels.

    I did wish for a fork as the speed increased over babyheads. The tires are not a substitute for a fork, not even a crappy 80mm fork. Looked around here on MTBR and didn't see many options. Not even a Bluto as it's not tall enough at the crown.

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    I also am curious to know which forks will fit 29+ tires with or withought dremeling the arch.
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    Figured I could chime in as there doesn't seem to be too many reviews out there on the 29+ offering. I've had the single speed for a bout a week and have really enjoyed it. Out the box I replaced the saddle, threw on some wider bars, and a 40mm stem. Quickly realized the brakes weren't quite where I wanted them to be for the type of trails I ride so I swapped on some bb7s which are a major upgrade. The pedals suck, those are next. Overall the bike is really fun. Took it on a 20 mile gravel/trail ride the other night and she was great. A lot more fun than my old hard tail 29er in my opinion. Im 6'2'' with a 32 inseam and the 20 inch frame fits perfect.

    Whats the scoop on suspension fork set ups for these? I'm unsure if the bluto will clear the big 29+, but I've seen a krampus or two with a fox fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgarter View Post
    Figured I could chime in as there doesn't seem to be too many reviews out there on the 29+ offering. I've had the single speed for a bout a week and have really enjoyed it. Out the box I replaced the saddle, threw on some wider bars, and a 40mm stem. Quickly realized the brakes weren't quite where I wanted them to be for the type of trails I ride so I swapped on some bb7s which are a major upgrade. The pedals suck, those are next. Overall the bike is really fun. Took it on a 20 mile gravel/trail ride the other night and she was great. A lot more fun than my old hard tail 29er in my opinion. Im 6'2'' with a 32 inseam and the 20 inch frame fits perfect.

    Whats the scoop on suspension fork set ups for these? I'm unsure if the bluto will clear the big 29+, but I've seen a krampus or two with a fox fork.
    Hey thanks for the tip on the BB7s being a good upgrade. The stock brakes are definitely not up to the task for the momentum of the wheels. Will try some Juicy 5s off another bike. I too swapped the bars for something wider (need the leverage).

    For the sake of comparison, I'm 5'9" with 30 inseam (pants anyway), and I ride an 18 frame.

    Yesterday, the muddy trails were frozen and I was wishing for my light XC geared 29er. Good training though
    Food for thought . . . leave this one as-is with a rigid fork for singlespeed (no bob), and get something else with a fork. Pretty sure it wasn't just the fork that was slowing me down yesterday on basically dry trails. The tires are friction monsters meant for the soft stuff, IMHO. Could air them up or swap them out for 29er XC race tires, but then it'll be even harsher.

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    Enjoyin' my ladies SS 29+ model so much, that I think I may need to get one myself!

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

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    Added a few colored bits...

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    Liking the colors! Anyone try and fit a 26x4 set on these? I'm pretty sure there's clearence

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    Motobecane 29+ SS review

    Hi,

    Just received my Motobecane 29+ SS.

    For the sake of the review, I'm a regular commuter and using my bike every day. I tested fat bike last winter with a Mongoose Beast (I know it sucks but this was very interesting anyway) because we have a lot of snow here in Montreal. I figured this 29+ should be nice for my use.
    I don't do a lot of trails and I don't own 1000$+ bikes.

    A note for canadians:
    I was able to bought it by calling BD. I shipped the bike to an UPS store near the border where I live. Call the store before to see if they can hold the package for you. It cost me 5$.

    Packaging: The bike was well protected, nothing scratched or bent inside.
    Be sure to have oil and grease as there is not so much on the bike (to my liking anyway).

    Everything went well except for these:
    - Seat post is VERY long, I'm 5'8" and it touched the water cage mounting screw on the seat tube.
    - Chain was very tight and I couldn't loosen it since the rear dropouts were already at minimum lenght. I hope this won't wear too fast.
    This could also be problematic to remove chain.

    Don't believe what is written on the website. Fork axle spacing is 100mm and rear axle is 135mm.

    Motobecane 29+ models?-img_20150510_174142%5B1%5D.jpgMotobecane 29+ models?-img_20150510_174211.jpg

    I tested it on the road and singletrack and I had a lot of fun. it seems like a good balance between a fat bike and a regular mountain bike.

    I plan on weighting parts and giving more informations later.

    I will also order an Alfine 8 speed hub to replace the SS. Remember this will be a 4 season commuter and trail bike when I need it.

    Edit 12/05/2015:
    I weighted the bike, it's the 18" model and it comes at 13,9Kgs

    Pedals are 202grs each
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    Saddle + post is 724grs
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    I weighted more last night:

    Front wheel, rim strip, brake disk and nuts: 1640grs
    32mm in, 38mm out
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    The hub bearing was overtightened.
    I loosened it up and it turned much better without any play.

    Tube (Innova brand) 426grs
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    Tire 852grs
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    Tire reflector is 16g (no pics for this)

    Removed the fork and changed grease for some green boat trailer grease:
    Motobecane 29+ models?-dscn3578.jpgMotobecane 29+ models?-dscn3577.jpg
    Photo shows vanilla grease, not so much to my liking as this bike will be outside most of the time.

    Fork naked (1370grs):
    Motobecane 29+ models?-dscn3579.jpg

    Chain (316grs), note that you don't need a special tool to remove it. i just didn't see the quick link after I used the special tool.
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    Frame and dropout:
    Weighted in at 3600grs, frame, brake caliper and cable, BB, cranks.
    I was too lazy to remove the caliper and didn't have the tool for cranks.
    I think the bare frame should be around 2300grs.
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    Headset (226grs):
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    Front caliper and cable (282grs):
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    Handlebar and stuff (554grs):
    I wasn't able to remove the handles, well I could but was too lazzy :-)
    Motobecane 29+ models?-dscn3585.jpg

    Rear tube was 310grs, a big difference from the front one !

    Rear wheel + bolts is 2000grs

    Rear tire 870grs.
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    My Problem with this Motobecane 2015 29+SS.....

    I want better wheels, Say Rabbit hole 50 with 29+ Dirt wizards. Possibly a Suspension fork. but I don't have to I could ride it as is.



    the other thing is I just put my Gravity point2 29er up against a whole bunch of Giants (demo day) I used a lot more gears with my 29er than I dd the 27.5's. funny thing is Garmin says my point2 had the fastest laps. maybe its because I used more gears. Although the XTC 27.5 hardtail was way way more fun for me. I'll have to save pennies for the BD Ti 27.5

    Gist is I don't know about the single speed part with the 29+ thing :'(
    I do like this bike a lot more than the 26x3 Deadeye SS non-monster.

    However the Deadeye Non-monster has a better price point $299, and comes with 50mm drill rims. seeing how I can get 26x2.75 surly dirt wizards 27 tpi at $65 (27 tpi is better for tubeless. Running tubeless also more than makes up for the added weight of 27tpi over the 120 tpi. dirt wizards.

    So $299 + $130. I'd getto split tube it tubeless. $429 with a good chance the fun factor will be higher on the smaller diameter wheels.

    But seriously its nit picking the price with the Motobecane 2015 29+SS being $449

    I can also fit a 26x4 on the front of Deadeye. So if I wanted a floater for winter there is that. It could also go on the 50mm wheel that comes with deadeye.

    and of course the Gravity Fatbikes Bullseye Monster 2x8 is on bikeisland my size right now for $449

    I am also not running 10, 20 + miles of single track.... The root covered trail from house to shop is 1/2 mile. Taking the dog out is a lot of stop and go.

    thanks for the pictures SeatBoy, I think I saw your blog the other day. You did blog about the bullseye and the difference between the 4" and 3" ? Anyways along those lines in snow, I'd almost rather put a 700cx37 Continental Top Contact Winter II on my current 29er. cut and move, or float and grind.

    kgarter and dangdang thanks for the pictures..... those swung me back towards this Moto 29+ss

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Looks like the Gravity Bullseye Monster can clear a 29+ tire, at least on a Blunt 35mm rim:

    Then you don't have to deal with the silly long 480mm chainstays of their 29+ model.
    nice, I didn't even look at any of those numbers. But now that I have looked..... the bullseye 27+, bullseye 29+, Moto 29+x5, and moto 29+ss all have whack weird chainstay lengths. Unless that helps traction on climbing on a snow covered hill?

    Interesting enough the Bullseye Monster also has a 70.5 HT, which is what I like about the Deadeye non-monster single speed.

    Which brings up a question. Seeing how the Bullseye comes with Single wall drilled 50mm rims. I am assuming that we can mount a 29+ 3" tire to those. (I think i read somewhere guys were using Surly Rabbit holes) But will that combo still Fit on the Bullseye Monster?

    I don't like the numbers Gorman2040 added on wheels. If I want SS then I better grab the Deadeye. If I want 29+ then I might want the Bullseye monster.

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    Fitting fenders

    So yesterday I tried to fit my old 26x4.00" Big O Mfg fenders on the motobecane. I know not a lot of people are fond of fenders on MTB but this could be useful for some...

    I figured that at the price of these fenders, they deserve a new life (I had them on a mongoose beast during the winter). Plus they provide very good coverage.

    Front: I had to use rack eyelets as the one for fenders get in the way of the brake caliper (do they really though about this ?). Note the red plastic I used for mud flap. I'm going to reduce it later.
    Space at fork crown is tight. The fender is somewhat deformed but when it is fixed, it's fine.
    Motobecane 29+ models?-dscn3586.jpgMotobecane 29+ models?-dscn3588.jpg

    Back: Problem with the dropout, no eyelets and no place to drill some. It would get in the way of axle nuts and limit chain slack adjustment.
    I'm going to buy P-clamp to install it on seat stay. Otherwise seatstay and chainstay brace installation wont be a porblem. I had to cut the side of the fender around the chain because it was rubbing.
    Motobecane 29+ models?-dscn3589.jpg

    More pics later.

    So here is the complete setup:
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    The front mud flap is a little extreme and I expect it to die soon but this is a trial :-)

    Some details of the setup (now weighting 14.6 Kgs).

    Chainstay clearance:
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    P-clamp for rear fender (note I had to move it to the left so it wont touch brake caliper):
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    Seatstay bridge:
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    Chain clearance:
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    Some measurements of the frame (medium 18" frame):

    Chainstay 47cm
    Seatstay 47cm
    Seat tube 46cm
    Top tube 59cm
    Down tube 71cm
    Headtube 10cm

    Next step will be installing the Alfine 8 speed hub but this will be discussed in the IGH part of the forum.
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    Enjoyin' some trail time!

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    So far this bike is really cool !
    I think the gearing may be too high for climbing very steep or swamped/muddy trails but it's nice for most terrains.

    I had to adjust front brake rubbing as a lot of people seem to have with these Avid IO and now they work well.
    The key is to adjust left/right with the two fixing screws.
    I will try to post a pic later.

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    Did you confirm the bottom bracket shell as well? I assume it's a normal 68 or 73mm, not the fatbike 100mm.

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    Don't believe what is written on the website. Fork axle spacing is 100mm and rear axle is 135mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Did you confirm the bottom bracket shell as well? I assume it's a normal 68 or 73mm, not the fatbike 100mm.
    Yep, just measured it on my 18". It's 68mm. I can also confirm the 175mm crank lengh.

    Other data:

    - Rim strip 32 grs
    - Spoke 6~8 grs (device not sensible enough to acurately weight)
    - Stripped rim 870 grs
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    Please keep the reviews of this bike coming. I'm interested in a cheap, 29+ SSer and this is potentially a good choice. Thanks!
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    I am really torn between this and the krampus, I realize the krampus is a much better bike but obviously there is a significant price difference. :/

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    Hey mgftp, I'm a krampus owner and 2 of my buddies are about to pull the trigger on either this or the 27.5+ version.... I will most likely be posting reviews on here myself.
    On another note.... The Krampus absolutely kicks ass. I grduated to Krampus after riding a Karate Monkey for a year. Totally love my Krampus
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I am really torn between this and the krampus, I realize the krampus is a much better bike but obviously there is a significant price difference. :/
    I would say that it really depends on how you plan to ride it. Standard gears, single speed or IGH. Also steel or alu frame is somewhat different.

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    Has anyone put a suspension or rigid carbon fork on this frame, whether single speed or geared?

    What type and did you have any issues? Thank you.

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    Motobecane 29 PLUS SS - a racer?¿?

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    this thing is pretty much a toy as is. so it'll need an overhaul before you take it out for real. i repacked all rotating joints and threw some SPDs and some bullhorns on. that's it for now. nonetheless i raced it last weekend on a wet, rooty 20 miler course. THIS THING DOES NOT RACE. i'm not sure how you would properly race this bike. it's too fat and cumbersome for single speed entry - which was how i raced it - and you'll get whipped by any geared fatties if you enter in the fatbike category. the tires sucked big in mud. the only way i got them to perform was deflate them to about 15-18psi. didn't knock the rims out of true though despite. not so great on wet roots either but then what is? i think that the increased surface area on the ground made this bike slip up even more. would have done better with thinner standard tires in the 2.1-2.3 range.

    OK so it doesn't race, but man this thing is great for training. really makes you push it up the hills. and i am not afraid of anything in my path - boulders, fallen sequoias, slow deer - this bike is a big-rad-rock-eater. and man is it tons of fun. i'm glad i got it but next time i race in SS i'll put standard tires on it.

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    My 20 inch model arrived today in good order. After truing the wheels, which were pretty good, I replaced the stem, handlebar, seatpost, seat, pedals, and tubes to arrive at about 28-29 lbs. (on a spring scale) for the complete bike. I will replace the brakes with BB7s. Also thinking of replacing the chain with a Sram 9 speed to drop more weight.

    Has anyone thought of running a cheap Chinese carbon 29er fork on this? That may drop another 1.5 lbs.

    I can confirm that my Gravity Deadeye 26 inch x 50 mm rims with 4 inch tires fit in the front and rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch R. View Post
    I replaced the stem, handlebar, seatpost, seat, pedals, and tubes to arrive at about 28-29 lbs. (on a spring scale) for the complete bike.
    Did you weight it before changing anything ?

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    No, because the weights of the 18 inch bike and components were already posted. I had no interest in keeping that heavy stuff, which is all in the trash. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch R. View Post
    No, because the weights of the 18 inch bike and components were already posted. I had no interest in keeping that heavy stuff, which is all in the trash. Sorry.
    Sure but it's alway interesting to have different samples. My data wasn't completely accurate especially for the frame.

    Anyway if you have time, I'll be interested to know the weight of the old tubes versus the new one.

    Also, I'm sure you'll find someone who like to buy the original parts.

    Thanks !

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    Your data was close enough for me. Who cares if your frameset plus crank was off by a pound?

    My replacement tubes had to be at least 2/3 the weight of the Innova tube. I pulled one out of the trash and will weigh it when a spare replacement tube arrives.

    Those parts are so cheap that you can barely give them away on eBay. Not worth my time trying to get perhaps $5 for that seat.

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    I thought that was the purpose of replacing part, shaving off pounds and of course better quality.

    I don't find the parts too crappy but I agree on the seat, it hurt my butt :-)

    Thanks for the info on the tubes.

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    Took the plunge and bought a Motobecane 29+X5. This is the next step up from my Dolomite which I'd stripped and rebuilt with actual, functioning bicycle parts. (What a concept!) The 190mm rear spacing and super-wide chain stays left me in a bind. I had to cold set the dropouts to 170mm and crimp the stays in order to get a Mr. Whirly crankset and an Origin8 hub to fit. Even then, it required spacers on the spindle that I wasn't too happy about. Allegedly my Dolo wheels - which now have the Origin8 hubs, lighter tubes and Surly Nates - will fit the Moto.

    Otherwise out of the box the 29+X5 was decent. The X5 drivetrain works well. The Tektro Draco's squealed for a few tire rotations and have been silently stopping me since. I like them better than the Avid Elixir 3's that came on my fancy Hei-Hei 2-9. The Quando hubs and mystery rims feel heavy, especially the rear. The crankset looks heavy and probably is. The stem, bar, post and saddle are boat anchors. Individually. They never made the shakedown cruise and were replaced with lightweight cast-offs from the bin full of old racing parts.

    My first ride was around the wilderness of Maine's Rangeley lakes region. Basically it was either dirt roads or muddy moose tracks (singletrack manure!) It rode very well. But ... those chain rings are way too big for any sort of climbing. If you're just boppin' down the paved highways however, they're fine. This bike reminds me of the old days of ATB's (remember those?) with rigid forks and great big knobby tires to do all the dirty work. I liked that simplicity. Yes, my aging back loves my Kona He-Hei 29er with dual suspension, but I also wanted a 29+ for my 17 mile round trip commute to work on bumpy Vermont back roads. The Kona is overkill for commuting and will not be useful in winter. (Despite its shortcomings, the Dolo did great for winter commuting.) I think the Moto's well-designed aluminum frame will make a much more trustworthy commuter without resorting to spacers just to keep the crank arms from clanking the chain stays.

    So I'll try to clean off the moose dung and snap a few photos to share.

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    Nice review.

    I quite agree with you, it's a decent ride for a offroad/winter commuting bike.

    Yesterday I bought a Surly front rack for my little trip this weekend:
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    I tried to install it without the brackets as the fork was having three screws on each side.
    I had to enlarge rack rails as there was always one of the three screws that wasn't aligned with the hole but it worked in the end.
    I also managed to keep my fender attached.

    The rack is almost parallel to ground and I think is better attached to the for compared to the supplied hardware. It's also a little bit high but I will try it this way.

    I also drilled some holes to install my rear fender in a proper way:
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    I saw that the 29+ x5 has already these holes :-/

    Overall I'm still satisfied with this bike. Front brake is still making a little noise and it gets very noisy when it rains. Also loose some braking power (drum brake power ! :-) ).
    Caliper adjustment is easy from what I read here.

    I also used some old tubes to protect fork bearing, more pictures on that later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbiggitybike View Post
    Took the plunge and bought a Motobecane 29+X5. This is the next step up from my Dolomite which I'd stripped and rebuilt with actual, functioning bicycle parts. (What a concept!) The 190mm rear spacing and super-wide chain stays left me in a bind. I had to cold set the dropouts to 170mm and crimp the stays in order to get a Mr. Whirly crankset and an Origin8 hub to fit. Even then, it required spacers on the spindle that I wasn't too happy about. Allegedly my Dolo wheels - which now have the Origin8 hubs, lighter tubes and Surly Nates - will fit the Moto.

    Otherwise out of the box the 29+X5 was decent. The X5 drivetrain works well. The Tektro Draco's squealed for a few tire rotations and have been silently stopping me since. I like them better than the Avid Elixir 3's that came on my fancy Hei-Hei 2-9. The Quando hubs and mystery rims feel heavy, especially the rear. The crankset looks heavy and probably is. The stem, bar, post and saddle are boat anchors. Individually. They never made the shakedown cruise and were replaced with lightweight cast-offs from the bin full of old racing parts.

    My first ride was around the wilderness of Maine's Rangeley lakes region. Basically it was either dirt roads or muddy moose tracks (singletrack manure!) It rode very well. But ... those chain rings are way too big for any sort of climbing. If you're just boppin' down the paved highways however, they're fine. This bike reminds me of the old days of ATB's (remember those?) with rigid forks and great big knobby tires to do all the dirty work. I liked that simplicity. Yes, my aging back loves my Kona He-Hei 29er with dual suspension, but I also wanted a 29+ for my 17 mile round trip commute to work on bumpy Vermont back roads. The Kona is overkill for commuting and will not be useful in winter. (Despite its shortcomings, the Dolo did great for winter commuting.) I think the Moto's well-designed aluminum frame will make a much more trustworthy commuter without resorting to spacers just to keep the crank arms from clanking the chain stays.

    So I'll try to clean off the moose dung and snap a few photos to share.
    Nice review, thanks

    One question... Isn't the rear hub 170mm out of the box?

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    Yes, on the Motobecane. But I was referring to the Mongoose Dolomite, which has a 190mm rear axle spacing.

    And I've been riding and commuting more on the Moto and I really like it. Much better than the El Cheapo Dolo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch R. View Post
    Has anyone thought of running a cheap Chinese carbon 29er fork on this? That may drop another 1.5 lbs.
    I put a 1 and 1/8 inch straight Chinese carbon 29er rectangular-type fork from eBay on this. The bike is 27 lbs. now.

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    Here are photos of the front fork for anyone interested if these cheap forks will accept a 29er Plus front wheel.
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    How is this fork working out?

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    I have ridden it conservatively for maybe 10 hours. No hucking cliffs or jumps. So far, so good.

    If I have a problem, I will let you know. There is a big long thread on these forks on this forum fyi.

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    Thanks I'll look for it.
    I just got this bike, it is way fun. Great for sand,which is most of my backyard. Can't beat the price, but I will say that I have changed out a bunch of parts.

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    Anyone know where to find a 26" wheelset for this bike? Its hard to find one with the 100/135 hub spacing around 50mm to fit some 4 inchers. Found some rabbit holes but they're pretty pricey. I know the deadeye monster wheels will work but I don't think you can buy them outright.

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    Update with mods

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    Here's the latest version. Still cheaper than a stock Krampus even with:
    • Hope Fatsno hubs
    • Surly Rabbit Hole rims
    • MicroShift thumbies
    • Kore Rivera bar
    • Sram 1070 cassette
    • Sram 1070 chain
    • Maxxis Hookworms

    Tried mounting a Mr. Whirly crankset but found the Q factor to be, as Bernie would say, "Yuuuge!" The rest of the parts are still the same odds and ends from the equaly yuuuge spares bin. It took some patience on ebay to get good prices on the Hope hubs (cuz they're blue?), and the rest. The SLX works fine with the friction thumbies, but I have to watch the crank - stupid shifts can get the 10-speed chain firmly lodged between those Shimano LX 8-speed chain rings. The advantage is that I can mount a variety of rings that are easy to find. This one is 20-30-42. I'm open to a modern 10-speed triple crank though it's not easy to find a lightweight model with a square taper mount. Most are heavy junk and the rest are expensive vintage jewelry. Suggestions anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgarter View Post
    I know the deadeye monster wheels will work but I don't think you can buy them outright.
    Have you tried bikeisland.com?

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    How did you mount the rear derailleur? With a Problem Solvers rear derailleur mount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbiggitybike View Post

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    I wonder how much this tire weight. Could be very interesting for my use.

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    I have the Motobecane 29+X5, originally set up as a 2X10 with Sram X5 components, thus it has a rear derailleur hanger. It also has wider hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatbiggitybike View Post
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    Here's the latest version. Still cheaper than a stock Krampus even with:
    • Hope Fatsno hubs
    • Surly Rabbit Hole rims
    • MicroShift thumbies
    • Kore Rivera bar
    • Sram 1070 cassette
    • Sram 1070 chain
    • Maxxis Hookworms

    Tried mounting a Mr. Whirly crankset but found the Q factor to be, as Bernie would say, "Yuuuge!" The rest of the parts are still the same odds and ends from the equaly yuuuge spares bin. It took some patience on ebay to get good prices on the Hope hubs (cuz they're blue?), and the rest. The SLX works fine with the friction thumbies, but I have to watch the crank - stupid shifts can get the 10-speed chain firmly lodged between those Shimano LX 8-speed chain rings. The advantage is that I can mount a variety of rings that are easy to find. This one is 20-30-42. I'm open to a modern 10-speed triple crank though it's not easy to find a lightweight model with a square taper mount. Most are heavy junk and the rest are expensive vintage jewelry. Suggestions anyone?
    Wow, the head angle on this looks super steep....70-71 degrees? How does it handle downhills with this setup? Wheels look good!
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    Can you tell me if the Truvative E400 crank on your SS comes with bosses for a granny ring or not? I ordered one that's coming Thursday and am exploring dingle-speed options since I live near the mountains.

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    The rear of this 29+ Single Speed bike does not fit 26x4 inch wheels

    Despite whatever the Bikes Direct Website proudly proclaims:

    29 PLUS FAT BIKES! Ingeniously simple concept. Giant tires = more control in loose conditions
    SUPER VERSATILE - fits most 27.5, 26x4, 29er or 29er PLUS wheels/tires

    As you can see, the rear of this bike does not fit 26x4 inch tires mounted on 50 mm rims.

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    Hey mitch, Which bike model/frame is that? It's crazy they show a photo on the motobecane 29+ bike page with tons of clearance.
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    Motobecane 29+ single speed, size large.

    I complained to Bikes Direct. I can deal with advertising puffery, but this is a false claim.

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    Thanks, Sorry to hear that, false advertisement sucks. This will surely help other potential buyers know what they are really buying.
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    What 26x4 tire is that also and what pressure?
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    Hello All, I just purchased the Motobecane 29+ SS on Bikes Direct. My question is can anyone confirm if the steerer tube is 1 1/8th?

    I emailed BD because there is some info definitely missing in the specs. My wife would not let me spend a lot so this is the bike I landed on but I will be getting it on Wednesday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erbiker View Post
    Hello All, I just purchased the Motobecane 29+ SS on Bikes Direct. My question is can anyone confirm if the steerer tube is 1 1/8th?

    I emailed BD because there is some info definitely missing in the specs. My wife would not let me spend a lot so this is the bike I landed on but I will be getting it on Wednesday!
    yes 1-1/8"
    see post 63 and 64 this thread.
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    Oh man I am an idiot. I looked at this thread quite a bit before deciding to buy, I can't believe I missed that. Thank you all for posting the helpful information. I am really excited to get the bike and start posting about the experience!

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    lol, I just happen to re look at the bike, and re read the thread an hour or 2 ago.

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    well the thread has been helpful. I am 6ft 5in mostly legs so I got the 22inch frame but I plan to run a 60mm stem and a 1.5" riser bar to balance me out a bit on the downhills of some trails I ride. I just wanted to order the parts now so I can do it all at once.

    I will be back on the forums posting pics and reviews this Saturday.

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    So my bike came in quickly, I just wanted to post up a picture and my first impression. it was boxed really well. I put an old seat I had lying around on it and I have a 60mm race face stem and 740mm race face 1.5" riser bars to help balance out the high seat.

    I noticed the chain is incredibly tight and there is no room to loosen. Both wheels came slightly out of true but within, "it was really cheap" tolerances. The brakes are weak at first but they are getting a little better with some break in rides on the street.

    For the price I am so happy with this bike, I bought it to make trails I have tamed more exciting and this is pretty much a workout bike. My goal is to ride the crap out of this thing and use it to make me more grateful when I get on a bike with gears and suspension! The 3.0 tires are such a change from 2.1's and I really think this thing is going to be a blast!

    Going out for the first trail ride today and will post more in case anyone was like me and looked to this thread before purchasing.
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    can't wait for more posts!

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    So I took the bike out to South Mountain trails in Arizona. We did 14.5 miles of smooth single track to super rocky and technical sections. Overall I was very impressed with the bike. I have not been on a single speed so I kept the flats on in case I had to hike but the 33T-18T ratio was really perfect!

    The 3.0 tires are awesome! they are really forgiving with line choice in rocky sections as they tend to just mow over everything. Motobecane 29+ models?-img_0311.jpgMotobecane 29+ models?-img_0312.jpg

    I rode the bike with 20PSI in both tires (just went off the hand squeeze) and I weighed in at 210lbs this morning. bike weighted in at 30.2#'s

    the only problem is the brake cable rub on the head tube is already through the paint, so I plan to put a small black sticker as a cover where any brake lines touch the paint.

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    Been tinkering with this bike quite a bit and finally built it up as my winter commuter. Running a 26x4" tire up front on a 50mm rim. The extra width upfront is super nice and it doesn't seem to slow me down too much.Motobecane 29+ models?-img_20160118_124512952.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgarter View Post
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    I like the look of it :-)

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    Motobecane 29 plus resale value

    What would you say this is worth?

    Upgrades are:

    Sealed bearing headset - $80
    Tubeless Bontrager Chupacabra tires - $255
    Lighter Chain - $13
    Raceface Narrow Wide - $50
    Avid Elixir 5 hydraulic brakes - $120

    Prefer to sell locally in Pittsburgh so just looking for opinions please.
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    Finished the first winter season here in Montreal with this bike.
    3" is a good width for snowy city commuting.
    The bike is a little rusty but nothing too important.
    I only miss braze-on for racks and fenders on the frame.
    Motobecane 29+ models?-20160319_143243.jpgMotobecane 29+ models?-20160319_143233.jpg

    Edit:
    Just tried to mount front fenders on the screw holes meant for it (just next to wheel axle) and this looks like a misconception.
    The hole is recessed so you can't have fender stay going above fork leg.
    Also holes are aligned to rack screws so if your rack goes low, it will be in front of the screw holes for fenders stays.
    I'll post a pic later to show this.
    Last edited by gorman2040; 04-08-2016 at 11:54 AM.

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    MODERN WHEELS ON THESE OLD STANDARDS

    I found a nice set of new takeoff Roval Traverse Fattie 35mm wheels and want to put them on this bike, but trying to decide which way to go: 1) adapt the dt swiss 350 hubs to QR, 2) adapt to bolted, 3) Upgrade fork to 15mm thru axle.

    To adapt the front, I could either do end caps or a conversion axle. For the rear there seems to be mostly only the end caps.

    Based on other MTBR threads, it seems the QR could work, but not as stable as the nutted. 15mm would be nice, but forks seem to be at least $200 and that would be old non-tapered standard which is getting harder to find new.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch R. View Post
    Here are photos of the front fork for anyone interested if these cheap forks will accept a 29er Plus front wheel.
    What fork is this? Please let us know

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    Quote Originally Posted by diylighter View Post
    MODERN WHEELS ON THESE OLD STANDARDS

    I found a nice set of new takeoff Roval Traverse Fattie 35mm wheels and want to put them on this bike, but trying to decide which way to go: 1) adapt the dt swiss 350 hubs to QR, 2) adapt to bolted, 3) Upgrade fork to 15mm thru axle.

    To adapt the front, I could either do end caps or a conversion axle. For the rear there seems to be mostly only the end caps.

    Based on other MTBR threads, it seems the QR could work, but not as stable as the nutted. 15mm would be nice, but forks seem to be at least $200 and that would be old non-tapered standard which is getting harder to find new.

    Thanks
    UPDATE: I decided to use the front wheel on another bike, so now I am trying to figure out how to get this rear wheel, which has a 142 x 12mm thru axle, onto the frame. Anyone ever try this? The rear hub does NOT accept different end caps, as it is an OEM product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangdang View Post
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    I am looking for a cheap SS for training, and the Fantom 29+ SS looks to fit the bill. Does anyone have any long term feedback, or anything on the current model (which is probably the same as the old model). I don't plan on tricking it out or doing much to it, so not worried about upgrade-ability - I have a Santa Cruz 5010c for that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    I am looking for a cheap SS for training, and the Fantom 29+ SS looks to fit the bill. Does anyone have any long term feedback, or anything on the current model (which is probably the same as the old model). I don't plan on tricking it out or doing much to it, so not worried about upgrade-ability - I have a Santa Cruz 5010c for that...
    Hey, I cannot find the Fantom 29+ SS (only see multi gear versions).
    However I will be looking to sell my Motobecane 29+ SS if you are interested. I'm in Montreal, QC, CA and I don't have a car. Would be 200$ US.
    On the side of the bike, it is really sturdy and seems to age well.
    I didn't do crazy stuff on it but had a couple hard downhill with it and all parts are handling it well.

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