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    I won't be removing Motobecane decals from my bikes!!

    I know the Motobecane I had for 35+ years isn't the new Motobecane, but I'm glad the name is still around, I tried to figure out why people, and dealers don't like Motobecanes, and some dealers have been downright rude, sure the dealers like to reap the rewards from the internet, but they seem to feel a threat from customers reaping a great deal from the internet. I have found some dealers that seem to be ok with the Motobecanes, at least to my face, those are the ones that get my business.
    My Motobecane suits my needs perfectly, I'm very proud of my Motobecane, infact I have another one delivering here tomorrow, a Fantom Team, Motobecane will stay on my downtubes!!!
    Motobecane was once one of the most respected names in bicycles, top of the line, hand pinstripped, pieces of art, if someone has a problem with Motobecanes of today it's their problem.
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    Cool you have an original.

    So far the only place I see Moto haters is here, but I don't pay attention when I'm riding. My lbs doesn't care either; don't know if that was lucky or not.
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    I've had mine about 2 weeks, (Fly Ti 29er) and I've had 5-6 people come up and talk to me in that time because of this bike. Kind of crazy. Most people want to really look at it and see what's wrong with, because you know, too good to be true or whatever. Fact is, there's nothing wrong with it -- at all! It's a bad@$$ bike for 2k bucks.

    That being said, I still took the top tube and downtube stickers off of mine - and it looks totally pimp. Titanium just looks beautiful. Seriously, it's beautiful, like Salma Hayek or something. Would you stick a big logo across her face?

    Yeah, me neither, but I did stick water bottle cages on it, so I'm not sure if the analogy holds up...

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    In retrospect, buying a bike online (could have been anyone) was the best thing I could have done. And not just for the great value, but for the extra kick in the a$$ I needed to start doing my own work on bikes. Now that I know how easy it is to adjust derailers and do minor maintenance, it seems criminal that some shops will charge $50 for a tune up. I'm a complete novice and can clean, lube, adjust and safety check my bike in under an hour. The added benefit of being able to do all of this at home is just one more benefit. No waiting for an appointment, no driving to and from the shop to drop off/pick up the bike. No wondering if their "tech" is knowledgeable, concerned for my safety, or having a bad day.

    I know some people have the cash and prefer to pay a bit extra to have a professional do those things, so I don't feel bad about not giving the LBS my business. There will always be those who would rather purchase than learn, or have service done rather than do themselves. Thankfully I am not one of those people anymore.
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    I really don't care what people say about my Motobecane. If i'm slower than them, it's not the bikes fault lol. If i'm faster than them, then I could care less what they say anyways. I mean sure, it doesn't have the name recognition that Gary Fisher and other brands have, but it's a great bike, especially when you consider that it's less than half the price of any other brand. It's especially great for me since I don't race, but still want a very nice bike that will allow me improve and won't hold me back (and hopefully will last for the next 10 years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott the Great View Post
    I've had mine about 2 weeks, (Fly Ti 29er) and I've had 5-6 people come up and talk to me in that time because of this bike. Kind of crazy. Most people want to really look at it and see what's wrong with, because you know, too good to be true or whatever. Fact is, there's nothing wrong with it -- at all! It's a bad@$$ bike for 2k bucks.

    That being said, I still took the top tube and downtube stickers off of mine - and it looks totally pimp. Titanium just looks beautiful. Seriously, it's beautiful, like Salma Hayek or something. Would you stick a big logo across her face?

    Yeah, me neither, but I did stick water bottle cages on it, so I'm not sure if the analogy holds up...

    Yes, there's an analogy. Think of the bottle cages as a bra and the water bottles........well, you get my drift. Enjoy your Selma!

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    WOW! Props to you, you dug deep for this gem. I just ordered my first Moto: Fly team 29er Ti, I think i'll like it, and if it pisses off bike snobs with their Ipods/pads/phones/etc., winter hats in summer, etc., well, more the better. ;-) Sorry apple users, just threw that in for color, I'd take a free/cheap Ipad in a hot minute!
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    Yeah, I really don't get the whole thing with peeling the stickers off. If you like your bike who cares if others knock it for being the wrong brand. I participate on another board with guys who do some serious mountain biking on Walmart Deceptions and Genisis 29ers. Now, sometimes I think some of them are really bad at math, they actually have more invested in their "$200 Deceptions" than the cost of a decent Diamondback Overdrive or Gravity 29Point1 by the time they hit the trail, and still MUCH lesser components, but they claim to be really proud of their Walgooses. And yet, almost everyone of them peels the stickers off. Hmmmmm, kinda makes me wonder.

    And yes, my Diamondback proudly wears its stickers and so will my son's Windsor when it arrives. No, they are not Trek/Giant/ Specialized and we are proud to be different.
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    I think most who de-badge their bike do it because they liike the way it looks. If somebody does it because they are embarassed about the brand they are fooling themselves. You'll just look silly trying to hide it when they ask who makes it. People de-badge their cars all the time because they think it looks better, pretty common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkonian View Post
    I think most who de-badge their bike do it because they liike the way it looks. If somebody does it because they are embarassed about the brand they are fooling themselves. You'll just look silly trying to hide it when they ask who makes it. People de-badge their cars all the time because they think it looks better, pretty common.
    And if that's the true reason then so be it. Obviously everyone has the right to make their bike look however they want. Just makes me wonder sometimes though. And yes, some of the graphics on bikes are truly awful, so I can't blame everyone who does that.Mystic
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    Our best local bike shop is the local store of WebCycles in Bend, Oregon. These guys don't sneer at online bikes, they sell them. Smart guys who recognize reality and make the best of it.

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    Of course now the Cliff 4900 arrives and I am considering taking off at least part of the stickers. The part that says Windsor is fine and will probably stay, but the part that is supposed to say Cliff is the weirdest lettering I have seen. It is a real stretch to find Cliff in it, my son thinks it says Cli6f or something like that. Of course that's assuming we keep the bike. It arrived with a badly bent rear derailleur. And unlike Bikesdirect which fro, what I have heard will usually ship out a replacement part, the Ebay seller I bought from says they usually arrange for pick up of the damaged bike and send you another. But they have none of this bike left, so we will see what happens.
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    Yah, I think that's what started me on the road to de-badging. The Moto sticker looked ok but the other stickers were lame. My rear triangle was a different color which I didn't like at all so I ended up just removing everything and painting the whole frame.

    Maybe you can pressure the ebay'r into exchanging the derailleur since it's the last bike they have. Seems it would be worth it for them to avoid negative feedback. You might want to make sure the hanger and frame aren't damaged tho.
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    Based on the Ebayers feed back score, I am pretty confident a satisfactory solution will be found. They can send me a replacement part, credit my paypal account the price of the part (around $90 for a Deore XT rear derailleur) or something else. The only issue I really have is the bike is unridable while I wait to find out what they will do. But I guess this is part of the risk of buying a mail order bike. Will post how it goes, whatever solution is reached.
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    Another thought, you can pick up an Alivio class long cage for around $25 for the interim till it gets sorted out. Never hurts to have a spare in the water pack in case you need one on the trail. Last weekend I crashed and jammed my derailleur into the spokes. Thought I was going to have to walk 3 miles back to the trail head but got lucky and was able to get it working again.
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    I am thinking I want to remove the decals when my Fantom Ti gets here. The look of bare titanium is just too awesome to cover up with ugly decals. My only concern is that the warranty but is voided if you remove the decals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstaples View Post
    My only concern is that the warranty but is voided if you remove the decals...


    Voiding a warranty because of sticker removal won't stand up legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstaples View Post
    I am thinking I want to remove the decals when my Fantom Ti gets here. The look of bare titanium is just too awesome to cover up with ugly decals. My only concern is that the warranty but is voided if you remove the decals...
    I'm removing the decals from the frame, rims, etc on mine when it arrives. I love the look of a bare titanium frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstaples View Post
    . My only concern is that the warranty but is voided if you remove the decals...
    I removed my top tube decals when they got scratched up. The frame broke. They replaced it no problem.

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    Fortunately a closer inspection of the Cliff showed that it was the derailleur hanger that was bent, not the derailleur itself. I was able to bend it back to working order as a temporary fix and a replacement is already on the way from the seller so I am happy with that. Very nice bike and great service from Liz Johnston, aka Chicabike on Ebay.

    Unfortunately removing the stupid looking stickers on the Cliff doesn't look possible since they are very well applied and I believe have clear coat over them. No loose corners to peel from, and would apparently mess up the paint anyway, so we will have to live with it, even though it does appear to say Windsor Cli6f 4900.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
    I removed my top tube decals when they got scratched up. The frame broke. They replaced it no problem.
    Thanks! That is encouraging to hear they are good at honoring their warranty. Not so encouraging to hear about a frame breaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstaples View Post
    Thanks! That is encouraging to hear they are good at honoring their warranty. Not so encouraging to hear about a frame breaking.
    The frame I broke was a prototype or first run with a design flaw. The new frames featured a different weld which fixed the problem. It was a litmus test for me---when they replaced my frame with a better one I went ahead and bought a Ti cyclocross bike too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott the Great View Post
    I've had mine about 2 weeks, (Fly Ti 29er) and I've had 5-6 people come up and talk to me in that time because of this bike. Kind of crazy. Most people want to really look at it and see what's wrong with, because you know, too good to be true or whatever. Fact is, there's nothing wrong with it -- at all! It's a bad@$$ bike for 2k bucks.

    That being said, I still took the top tube and downtube stickers off of mine - and it looks totally pimp. Titanium just looks beautiful. Seriously, it's beautiful, like Salma Hayek or something. Would you stick a big logo across her face?

    Yeah, me neither, but I did stick water bottle cages on it, so I'm not sure if the analogy holds up...
    Did the same to mine, but kept the front and downtube badges. I'm proud to be a Moto owner and glad to own such a high end bike at such a reasonable price!

    Over my short time of ownership I grew to not be a fan of a bunch of decals all over my Ti frame. Ti is probably the best looking frame material a bike can be made from. It needs no paint or gloss and ,IMO, needs little in the way of decals. I was looking to achieve that aestetic when I took the decals off mine recently. But as a Motobecane owner, I also wanted to continue to represent the brand and not be seen as running away from it. So I kept the badges on the bike, stripping them down to their chrome metal to better compliment the Ti.

    I think the look is strikingly gorgeous overall! It looks like a limited edition version! The chrome badges are seriously shinier than the muted glow of the Ti. The badges beg to be inspected closer! When folks see the bike they're impressed, so they move in as close as possible to try to get a look at the badges on the sly! It's pretty funny actually when I see people doing it. I think my low profile Fly Ti get those haters out there past their initial, knee-jerk rejection of the Moto name without even looking at the quality offerings of the bike. With my bike, the quality is the 1st thing they notice. They then have to get up close find out, it's Motobecane baby!!!
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    its good that you have the original motobecane decals on your bike power to you all (y)!

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    You just can't get a better deal thatn Motobecane. If dealers are threatened, that's why.

    Quote Originally Posted by manabiker View Post
    I know the Motobecane I had for 35+ years isn't the new Motobecane, but I'm glad the name is still around, I tried to figure out why people, and dealers don't like Motobecanes, and some dealers have been downright rude, sure the dealers like to reap the rewards from the internet, but they seem to feel a threat from customers reaping a great deal from the internet. I have found some dealers that seem to be ok with the Motobecanes, at least to my face, those are the ones that get my business.
    My Motobecane suits my needs perfectly, I'm very proud of my Motobecane, infact I have another one delivering here tomorrow, a Fantom Team, Motobecane will stay on my downtubes!!!
    Motobecane was once one of the most respected names in bicycles, top of the line, hand pinstripped, pieces of art, if someone has a problem with Motobecanes of today it's their problem.

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    I for one will never debadge my bike !

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    Have a Fantom TI 29 - don't understand the desire to debadge. Don't really care if everybody else likes my bike, it is a damn good bike for a reasonable cost.
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    I love my Motobecane FS Elite, even though I bought it used, it's still been a good ride, but I do want to get a longer crankset for it again, 170mm feels a bit short now lol .
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Voiding a warranty because of sticker removal won't stand up legally.
    "Gee Mr Warranty man..they just fell off."


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    I for one will never debadge my bike !
    Me either....I cannot guaranty Zebra stripes and other gaudy colors wont show up on any bike I own...but the badges are there and they are too much work to remove...
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    Moto pride!

    Bought my first Moto almost 6 months ago to the day...Don't think I'll ever buy another brand.

    Bought the Fly Team 29 Ti. It is sweet as candied cherries. For me I have found that most real MTBers like the fact that it is different. I adventure race so its a wacked crowd anyway and we all like weird stuff. That's why we adventure race.

    As far as the Moto-haters on here...I think they hate just because they relize how much money they wasted on the bike that they bought!

    Actually ordering the wife one in the next couple of months!

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    - compared my 2012 Fly Ti 29er frame to a Moots Ti 26er, circa 1998, and they were built is incredibly similar fashion........I was really surprised, and so was the Moots owner.......
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    anyone here have a motobecane cyclocross bike?

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    Im interested in the fantom cross CX triple.

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    I know these posts I am making are bound to annoy someone, but I am just trying to get enough posts to PM someone or create my own thread....

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    I heard someone say, "If you want a heavy commuter that can take trails, get a fb roadie or a cyclocross". I've been seriously considering a cyclocross bike. The Fantom Cross CX looks mighty appealing. I want a bike that will grow with me.... right now I'm mostly interested in paved trails, but I would like to try out less groomed trails and light mountain biking with the same bike. Also, I like that that particular model is set up for front and rear racks and other accessories.

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    I know nothing of specs and I'm assuming I should attempt a fit at a LBS. But just in case anyone has any advice regarding size, I am 5'8 with a 31 inch inseam.The only thing that really makes me nervous about buying that particular model is that it is more expensive than I had planned on (reviews i have read suggest I will wanna buy a new seat too)... and I have never had a drop down bar (my previous bikes have always been upright flat bar style). Any feedback would be appreciated!

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    I ordered the 2014 550HT and still waiting for it to show up..I went to a trek and specialized dealer and looked around...In all honesty the motobecane from Bikesdirect has much better components or equal components and its was 200 to 250 dollars or more cheaper. You need to spend near $600 at a LBS to get what I got for $349 shipped...But anyway; I can work on my bike so I don't need the support the LBS offers to build it for me or want to pay retail for a bike so I went the internet sales route..i wanted more than I got so I went nuts with it..Can see my build in the motobecane thread...The parts im taking off the stock 550 will be used to upgrade another new build im doing as well..Building a new 2103 Mongoose Xr200 like the one MTBR did a review on..I wont be doing the build on this site though.

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    I just ordered my moto Fantom TeamFS for $1600. I love it and it has all XTR, Carbon cranks and rides perfect. i would buy another one in heart beat. As far as what other people think.. I'm old enough to not care. Just ride.

    I can buy a big named brand but that is how you keep money in the bank... be smart.

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    Like the OP 4 years ago, I still have my MB Grand Touring I bought when I was in College. Steel bike. Still rides great. Last year I got the 9'iron and that has been pretty darned indestructible, so now I've built out a Ti Fly. With a white fork and black Stan's Flows...it's beautiful. My 10th grader is now trying to destroy the 9 iron. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    but they claim to be really proud of their Walgooses. And yet, almost everyone of them peels the stickers off. Hmmmmm, kinda makes me wonder.
    I was peeling the labels off of my junk GS29 that I just built, and I heard a loud and distinct voice saying "You will no longer be called Capt Brian Webb".

    I am so beside myself happy with this bike I am thinking about getting a cheap FS frame and turning my Specialized Sirrus Sport into a mountain bike. Cheap FS frames are hard to find-$3000 frames are easy to come by.
    I'd rather push my 29er than ride a road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idea man View Post
    My 10th grader is now trying to destroy the 9 iron. Good luck with that.
    Quick update.....the TiFly was so good and so fast that the 10th grader bought it from me and with the proceeds from the sale I bought another frame just like it and built that one out.
    He is now my 11th grader and is racing the Ti. I asked if he wants to go to something FS and carbon and he declined. As my friend Harry Callahan once said, "A man's gotta know his limitations". Titanium from "is the endgame."

    Idea boy appreciates the bulletproofness of the TiFly. It looks corny but now we have matching bikes. Of course mine has the bigger rims, tires and seat, but I am a man of a certain age (and weight), I need more robust stuff. :-) We are on XT/XTR/StansEX bikes for maybe half of what it would cost for a Moots or other named brand. So far, no drama.

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    I don't ride a Motobecane but know a guy who just bought one as his second bike -- step up from a 2006 vintage HT.

    The only people who should be debadging their bikes are the guys riding Giants that are nearly the identical frame as a Motobecane, have significantly worse components, and cost $700 more. Motobecane makes some really nice bikes with good component packages. I recommend them to anyone who's looking for their first "real" bike.

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    I just got my Moto used, but man o' man, what an amazing bike!

    Titanium is too pretty to cover up with stickers. That's my preference, so I removed the stickers. I also debaged my Litespeed and ny Raleigh titanium bikes.

    Nothing quite like that dullish grey metallic look. Unless it's highly polished, there's no mistaking it for some other kind of metal.

    Rock on, fellow Moto gear-heads...

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    Take a look at Motobecane's warranty policy before you debadge. I asked them about it. Here's the dialog.

    I am seriously considering purchasing a Ti Fantom 29er. If I remove the decals from the frame would it still qualify for the 100 year warranty? Donít worry, I just like the look of a bare titanium frame and I have always run my titanium frames that way.

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    Matt,

    Thank you for your inquiry. We do not recommend removing decals due to the fact that it will void the warranty on the bicycle.


    Have a great day and thanks for shopping at Bikes Direct,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigmatt125 View Post
    Take a look at Motobecane's warranty policy before you debadge. I asked them about it. Here's the dialog.

    I am seriously considering purchasing a Ti Fantom 29er. If I remove the decals from the frame would it still qualify for the 100 year warranty? Donít worry, I just like the look of a bare titanium frame and I have always run my titanium frames that way.

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    Matt,

    Thank you for your inquiry. We do not recommend removing decals due to the fact that it will void the warranty on the bicycle.


    Have a great day and thanks for shopping at Bikes Direct,

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    How to void a Moto warranty (a how to guide):

    Step 1 - Buy a used bike with no tangible proof on how it was ridden / treated by previous owner

    Step 2 - Put a 130mm fork on a frame built for 100mm

    Step 3 - Remove one or more stickers from the frame

    To be fair though, there was someone from the Giant forum who saw it fit to strip the paint off his heat treated aluminum Reign and powder coated it a really nice copper color. But I remember the frame snapping a short while later.

    Ultimately, it came down to the fact that the owner was free to do what he wanted with his bike.

    I might have been mistaken, but I believe Giant later offered Reigns in a similar copper color. It was a really nice color.

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