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    Asking nicely: Ti 27.5+

    Would love to see BD bring out a hardtail Titanium 27.5+ model. Would be great for bike packing.
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    or 29+, but I'm not too picky.

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    Will the ti xc 29 frame fit 27.5x2.8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by druthomas View Post
    Will the ti xc 29 frame fit 27.5x2.8?
    No,

    and I have owned the Ti xc 29er frame for 2.5 years now. the one with the tapered headset.

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    So is the tapered head tube frame a lot different than this one.

    Motobecane FLY Team Titanium 29er with 27.5x2.8 Tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by druthomas View Post
    So is the tapered head tube frame a lot different than this one.

    Motobecane FLY Team Titanium 29er with 27.5x2.8 Tires
    that is a very interesting photo.... according to that link, that is NOT the frame I have

    this is the older version of the frame...

    the one in this link has a straight steerer...

    Ill have to take some measurements when I get home, and get back to you ...

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    Cool, thanks!!! I have a sweet pair of hope flow ex wheels I would like to use as 275+ rocket rons on one of these bike and a dual purpose.

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    Bikes direct assured me that the newer ti frames will also accept 27.5+. The tire in the link is 2.8 so I wouldn't go bigger than that.

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    Thanks for this update with photo link a Fly TI with 2.8 tires. DH and I are getting more interested in bikepacking. IIRC, I got my 29er Fly TI three (maybe four) Christmases ago.

    Now I need to find someone with 27.5+ wheels set w/ 2.8" tires (or maybe 2.6") and see what fits. I really like the idea of repurposing this bike for bike packing. The need for wider tires ties into riding in areas that likely will have a least some riding in sandy washes or dirt roads with sandy sections here and there. I don't really want to go full fat or even full PLUS. This might be the "just right" option.

    Would likely be more oriented to bike touring on graded dirt and 4 WD roads in Utah.
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    Hi!

    Don't know if someone else already answered this but yes. There are some construction differences. The Seat tube has a forward bend at the middle to save some milimeters's on wheelbase; the downtube also is hidroformed and I think that both the seat stays and chain stays has some style. I owned the 2014 version with the tapered tube. Really a nice frame. :-)
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    New Ti Frame version: Boost Ti

    They have upgraded the Ti frame with the Boost version!! A lot of positive changes and a new geometry!

    I wish they offer a Trade-In program. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erwin View Post
    They have upgraded the Ti frame with the Boost version!! A lot of positive changes and a new geometry!

    I wish they offer a Trade-In program. :-)
    I know, right? Now I have to decide whether to get a new wheel set (re: pics of Ti Fly with 2.75 x 2.8") tires or get a brand new bike. Decisions decisions.
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    $2,300 for that build is insane. Frankly, finding a comparable Ti 27.5+ offering at any price is difficult. I have another of their ORA-made Ti bikes and they are great frames.

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    Was this just added? I was on the site a couple days ago and definitely didn't see this as an option.

    Edit: Damn, the geometry (at least the angles) are fantastic, similar to my ROS, which is the best riding bike I have owned. If these were SS compatible... I'd be ordering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druthomas View Post
    So is the tapered head tube frame a lot different than this one.

    Motobecane FLY Team Titanium 29er with 27.5x2.8 Tires
    A bit of investigation: I looked carefully at those photos and as far as I can tell, the wheels are the now discontinued Stan's Rapid rims, URL="https://www.notubes.com/rapid-25-rim"]description here[/URL] with an internal rim width of 21.0mm. I'll noodle around on the Stan's site and see which current rims match that.

    The tires are WTB; they look like WTB's 27.5+ Trailblazer

    That link is to the Competitive Cyclist web site. The third reviewer mounted up the Trailblazers, measured them with digital calipers and came up with an actual 2.386" width, nowhere close to 2.8", so this may be why they fit the old Motobecane 29er frame!


    After more noodling around, I came across this article on DirtRag titled Project 27plus Part 2 Ė WTB Trailblazer 2.8 tires

    This is the cruz statement from that link:
    Just as with the Panaracer tires I measure in Part 1, the rim makes a huge difference in the width of the tire. Mounted on a standard 21 mm rim the Trailblazers measured just 2.2 inches wide at the tread. They easily fit in a standard 27.5 frame and fork, but because the sidewall is so much taller I canít guarantee they will ride very well.
    If you are thinking of going this route (using a 2.75+ rim and 2.8" tires on the old Motobecan Ti Fly Team), borrow some wheels and tires and do some serious test fitting first.
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    I would doubt the old 29er Ti frames have enough clearance for a decent 27.5 plus tire and rim.
    I have two older Bikes direct 29er Ti frames. One is set up 29er and one with 44 c compass road tires. They are great frames and I don't see me getting rid of them.

    Their new Ti plus bike with boost is a fantastic value. Even has braze ons for racks and on the larger models 3 water bottle mounts. No doubt if I was in the market for a 27.5 plus bike I would jump all over this one. I have a Stache for my plus bike.

    June just suck it up and get it!
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf View Post
    June just suck it up and get it!
    I know, right? As always, just a matter of budget fighting with the "You know you want it" voice!
    This would make an awesome bikepacking bike.

    ETA: This statement from the bikes direct web page:

    Did you know? BOOST is the newest axle standard. Designed to optimize wheel strength and tire clearance. These 29er Boost Titanium mountain bikes are super versatile. Comes with 29er Boost thru-axle tubeless compatible rim wheels. One can even fit most* 27.5x3.0 wheels and tires for ultimate flotation.
    I'd want to get some actual clearance numbers before clicking the Order button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    I know, right? As always, just a matter of budget fighting with the "You know you want it" voice!
    This would make an awesome bikepacking bike.

    ETA: This statement from the bikes direct web page:



    I'd want to get some actual clearance numbers before clicking the Order button.
    I went through the specs.
    Pretty much everything looks good. Front shock should take 3 inch tires. I would check to make sure the rear triangle will take 3 inch tires with adequate clearance.
    I think their rims are a little narrow for plus tires which I think is the only downside. You might consider having new wider rims laced up. If I were to do that i would get a front dyno hub for bikepacking.
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Wondering if anyone has purchased one yet and what their thoughts are on the bike. I'm looking into a steel hard tail but this could be a good option. Geometry seems similar to other bikes I'm looking into. Chain stays are a bit longer however. Bottom line, does the bike rip?

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    Nice to see what someone did with an older Ti Fly 29er with straight steerer - I have considered getting bigger tires and adding them to mine, a single-speed converted 29er........

    Asking nicely: Ti 27.5+-imag0529.jpg
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    Anyone know if the Ti Plus has routing for dropper post?

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    I've got one, the X01 29er build. Loving it so far. The parts spec makes it seem like it has a bit of an identity crisis, but the package works extremely well for my local trails. I also have the previous generation 29er frame with the tapered HT. There is no dropper routing, all routing is external. I'll post more details later. Let me know if you have specific questions or want pics of anything in particular.

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    How does the front end feel? The head tube angle is pretty slack at 67.5

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    Honestly it feels great. I was worried that it might feel a little dumbed down compared to the previous generation, which I also think feels good overall. The newer one uses a greater fork offset, 51mm vs I think 45, which reduces trail. The result is that it still feels quick witted but is more progressive and little more forgiving of fast adjustments. It's a little lower overall, just a hair longer (the previous was already long) and I have no complaints. I do like it better than the previous gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewjones View Post
    Anyone know if the Ti Plus has routing for dropper post?
    I emailed them yesterday. I got a response and it does not have internal routing, but does have external routing (most likely the front derailleur routing).

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    Got mine and built it up. I am blown away by how nice the frame is and how it handles on the trail. Great frame!


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    Great value on a Ti frame of this quality. If I were to build one up (preferred) I would consider going with a new gen 29 x 2.6 tire and 170mm cranks to raise it up and avoid rock strikes on this frame. I think its got plenty of room (both seat/chainstays) to make this happen along with carbon i30 or i35 rims. This bike would be a trail rocket ship...Braap! ;-)
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    I got to say I love this bike. Just like NH said I threw a pair of Farsports 35mm inner carbon wheels on it and some other Carbon bits and saddle I had lying around and it is light and fast. Sweet deal.

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    Hey Junebug if you are still looking at this thread and want to make your old Ti work with bigger tires I have some good news.

    Nobby nic 2.6 Addix compound fits in the rear.

    Vittoria 3.0 Bomboloni fits up front.

    Almost plus bike material!

    I do have wider rims. They are Velocity P-35 rims

    Asking nicely: Ti 27.5+-400.jpg

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    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Great value on a Ti frame of this quality. If I were to build one up (preferred) I would consider going with a new gen 29 x 2.6 tire and 170mm cranks to raise it up and avoid rock strikes on this frame. I think its got plenty of room (both seat/chainstays) to make this happen along with carbon i30 or i35 rims. This bike would be a trail rocket ship...Braap! ;-)
    Based on how much clearance I see in mine Iíll bet a 2.6 will fit in a 29 tire. Fantastic clearance on these frames.

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    This is a really nice bike in terms of spec and it seems to hit all the right boxes other than the fork which is more geared toward cross country. I wish Bikes Direct had a tradeup program, i.e. maybe a 120mm Yari would be a much better fork for the application. I'm thinking the way Bikesdirect savings customers on bikes is buying their components in volumes. If you look at many of their bikes they have the same SID fork

    Its really intriguing as i'm searching steel framed hardtails currently and they are really nice, but my build quotes are coming in around $2500. The new Ti 27.5+ bike Bikes Direct has certainly would be perfect with a beefier fork. Am I completely off base or is the SID fork not a good plan for this bike?

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    Depends on what you want this bike to do? It isn't set up to be a hardcore hardtail. It is not the right geometry for that. I bought it to be my mess around don't care about it xc bike that I will eventually move it to a bike packing bike.

    That being said I have taken it on one of our more technical trails that gets going screaming fast (for some) and the SID handles it fine. Would I rather have 150mm up front for the trail? Sure, but that was what my Wideangle was for.

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    Is the mottobecabe more efficient at pedaling than the wideangle. How about ride comfort between the two? Most of my trails are rolling single track with up and downhill. Is the ti equal to the steel in terms of comfort?

    I'm also a heavier rider at 300lbs so that was a concern to. How's the frame warranty?
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    Pretty comparable in terms of comfort although I felt the Wideangle gave just a little bit more, but that can just be in my head. Can't really speak to the pedaling efficiency of the two. Completely different wheel and tire set ups, and well as different gearing (30x11-46 vs. 32x11-42)

    At 300lbs I would actually be worried about the SID. The PSI chart stops giving increments at 200lbs so that tells me a little something. I would look for something in the Yari/Pike/Lyrik/Fox 36 range.

    If you are on a budget check out the YT Capra AL. $2k right now if they have your size, also look at the Motobecane HAL series. Those come with Pikes.

    I think Chromag's warranty is for life, but don't quote me on that.

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    Yeah the Jeffsy AL One 29r is now under $2300 as well

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    If I hadn't just bought an enduro bike I would have pulled the trigger on the either of those. I personally think the Capra is a better deal, but I was hesitant because it isn't boosted. Jeffsy is sweet and at least the frame is boosted. Both are out of the XL though. But we digress.

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    Yeah there's some deals out there. The Diamondback Catch 2 is pretty sweet too with the good pedaling platform and the 27.5+ tires

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    I just looked at YT's website. Just be aware that the prices shown are in Euros not American dollars. 1999Ä= $2400.

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    Yep, you have to go to YT USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf View Post
    Hey Junebug if you are still looking at this thread and want to make your old Ti work with bigger tires I have some good news.

    Nobby nic 2.6 Addix compound fits in the rear.

    Vittoria 3.0 Bomboloni fits up front.

    Almost plus bike material!

    I do have wider rims. They are Velocity P-35 rims
    Thanks for the update! Never would have thought those sizes would work!

    Hubs got me some Crests with 2.35 Maxxis tires for my Salsa Spearfish, so I'm getting a sense of what the wider footprint can do --- so, so grippy on the back.

    Alas, they aren't interchangeable (skewers vs thru axle), but gives me a sense that a new set of wheels to accommodate the wider tires for the Fly Team could be a worthwhile investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf View Post
    Hey Junebug if you are still looking at this thread and want to make your old Ti work with bigger tires I have some good news.

    Nobby nic 2.6 Addix compound fits in the rear.

    Vittoria 3.0 Bomboloni fits up front.

    Almost plus bike material!

    I do have wider rims. They are Velocity P-35 rims

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    Was/is that with 27.5 or 29?
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    Richwolf, I just measured the rigid carbon fork that I put on my 29er, and it will take a true 3.0".
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