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    I have a set of bushings for Schwinn Homegrown alloy frame. brand new...mint. I ordered a set of bushings for my S20 right before schwinn was bought by Pacific. Unfortunately for me, they sent the wrong ones and they have been collecting dust for about 7 years. I just know there is someone out there with a Homegrown alloy frame that would love to get 4 or 5 more years out of it. lundpaul at tds.net

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    I still have several pair beige for the s-series alloy frames (not homegrown factory frames) and 2 pair blue (for the carbon Y frames). Contact me via PM or email me at yahoo where my email is RoosterFXP at Yahooooooooooooohoooooooo.com... I can take Paypal direct or set up an ebay auction, your choice.

    I have sold several sets to people in this thread... they are legit, original schwinn parts.

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    So is that the determining factor for the bushing types - Carbons got blue, aluminums got beige? What did aluminum Factorys get? I have one set of each, beige and blue, in my stockpile of parts for the future.

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    Factory Homegrowns had the coated aluminum bushings like the ones the guy above has for sale (they are very rare). They have a 4mm flange thickness vs. 2mm

    All swingarms have the same measurement inside to inside and the BB on the Factory Homegrowns are basically 4mm shorter, therefore requiring a thicker flange on each bushing.

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    I don't know if anyone still cares about this thread, but the carbon Homegrown frame's bushings have a 42.25 OD while the aluminum Homegrown frame 'sbushings have a 44.25mm OD.
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    I ran across another lot of these (the beige ones for S-Series) and picked them up, man were they dusty. They were factory sealed and in new condition. $40 a pair

    PM me here and I will get in touch with you fairly quick. These responses go to my yahoo mail so if you dont hear from me in a few days message me again. Sometimes they get in my spam folder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broonsby
    Hi Guys!
    I have a Schwinn Homegrown Sweetspot carbon frame (98,99?) and know what you mean about parts sourcing issues. Well, it turns out that John Castellano designed the sweetspot bikes for both Ibis and Schwinn. He has parts for your bikes! Check out the link below and contact him for parts.
    http://www.castellanodesigns.com/index.html
    I asked him awhile back about forks (I got a 100mm Tora, what a difference!) and got great answers. He even sells rear shocks speced and built specifically from Fox.
    Keep the rubber down!

    Hey Broonsby

    Thanks for the info, talked to John today and he is shipping me some bushings, I'll let post again once I see how well they work. He also has pivot tubes and derailleur hangers

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC
    Hey Broonsby

    Thanks for the info, talked to John today and he is shipping me some bushings, I'll let post again once I see how well they work. He also has pivot tubes and derailleur hangers

    John's Number is 877-PIVOTLESS
    Yes he does, but he still hasn't gotten back to me if their OD is 42mm or 44mm. Maybe I'll give him a call today.

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    I called and talked to John. He's a very nice guy with a lot of practical knowledge. Anyway, his bushings are 42mm, which would fit all S series Sweetspots, and the Homegrown carbon Sweetspots. He said he's going to look into trying to find some of the 44.5mm (1.75") bushings for Homegrown aluminum users.

    I tried the McMaster UHMW bushing, and while it pressed into the frame beautifully, there was a fair amount of play between it and the pivot tube. It's unfortunate, since it would have been an extremely convenient source.

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    Bad mechanic et al, I'm thinking of upgrading the old rear sid and have done just enough research to have learned that the cane creek cloud nine or ad-10 is a proper fit for my 99 HG Factory Suspension. There could be others, but to know for sure, I need to better understand the dimension standards and what will fit. I see numbers like 7.75x2.25. I think the first is bushing eye to eye and the second could be stroke length or bore radius. Which is it? is there a limitation? I am going to use a 100 mm front fork; is there a handling/wheelbase dynamic I need to pay attention to? Thanks for any input.

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    The first number is the length between the centers of the shock's eyes. The second number is the shock's travel. The Sweetspot uses a 5.5x1.25 shock. Now, 5.5" i2i shocks are fairly easy to find, the problem is most of them are 1" travel, so you frame will only get 3" of travel instead of the standard 3.75".

    Cane Creek doesn't currently produce a 5.5x1.25 shock, though you might find some old AD-10 on eBay. If you want a new shock, check out Risse Racing. I talked with them a little earlier this year, and they can set you up with a modern 5.5x1.25 air shock. You can find them at: http://www.risseracing.com/airshocks.shtml

    If you do get rid of the SID, please let me know. I'd probably be interested in it.

    The Factory Suspension frame were design for a 80mm fork, so putting a 100mm fork on there will relax the head angle by about 1 degree. I think it actually makes the ride better since they had a 71.5 degree head angle stock, and with the 100mm fork it takes to 70.5 degree, which mellows the ride out just enough. I've done the exact same thing on my Homegrown hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    I called and talked to John. He's a very nice guy with a lot of practical knowledge. Anyway, his bushings are 42mm, which would fit all S series Sweetspots, and the Homegrown carbon Sweetspots. He said he's going to look into trying to find some of the 44.5mm (1.75") bushings for Homegrown aluminum users.

    I tried the McMaster UHMW bushing, and while it pressed into the frame beautifully, there was a fair amount of play between it and the pivot tube. It's unfortunate, since it would have been an extremely convenient source.
    Got a price for John's bushings? How do we order, just call him up and ask? My carbon HG doesn't need any, but it'd be nice to have an extra set, just in case the bike lives long enough to need some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue72beetle
    Got a price for John's bushings? How do we order, just call him up and ask? My carbon HG doesn't need any, but it'd be nice to have an extra set, just in case the bike lives long enough to need some.
    Yup! Just give him a call. He's a great guy to talk to. His bushings are $30 a set, which is a very reasonable price, especially considering they're made from better material than the stock ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    The Factory Suspension frame were design for a 80mm fork, so putting a 100mm fork on there will relax the head angle by about 1 degree. I think it actually makes the ride better since they had a 71.5 degree head angle stock, and with the 100mm fork it takes to 70.5 degree, which mellows the ride out just enough. I've done the exact same thing on my Homegrown hardtail.
    I totally agree with Bad Mechanic here. I put a 100mm SID on my HG Carbon and was much happier with the geometry than when I had my 80mm SX-R on there. I don't care for over-fast steering, and taking that head angle out with the 100mm fork was just what the doctor ordered. I think the 20mm fork length change is more like -0.5 deg of head angle, but I'd have to dial up my Linkage model to check that. Either way, I liked the change.

    Add me to the list of folks that might be interested in your SID if BMech passes on it.

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    The front fork upgrade is in process now, should be shipping next week. The rear will be next and will likely be a birthday gift to self (Feb). I'll keep you 'post'-ed.
    Thank you for the input. I'm even more excited (if that's possible) for the fork now. 3.5 lbs like my sid, but with modern damping & enough travel for some of the more exciting terrains I can now ride, and a lock out for climbs!

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    I stand corrected. My linkage model of my 17" Homegrown Carbon indicates that it goes from 71.6 head angle with my 80mm '00 SX-R fork to 69.9 head angle with the 100mm SID.

    EDIT: My bad. These attached pictures are with a 6.0" rear shock on the bike (I noticed the BB height was WAY high). With a 5.5", my model goes from 69.6 to 68.0. The model's not dead accurate, but it is consistent in a 1.5ish delta between the forks. The SX-R has an axle-to-crown of 17.5", and the SID is 18.75". My bike is a 17".
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    According to the Schwinn catalog, the Homegrown carbon came stock with a 100mm fork, specifically the Judy XL, which had an axle to crown measurement of roughly 473mm +/- 2mm (~18.62"). With the Judy XL, it was listed as having a 71 degree head angle. Is it possible your measurements are off? I also know first hand the the catalog might simply be wrong.




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    A couple things. 1) My HG Carbon was built up (by me) as a frame kit from all my Moab 2 takeoff parts, other than the fork. 2) My Linkage model was made using the "photograph" method, as opposed to measurements. I wouldn't put stock in the absolute values, but the deltas should be solid. 3) It looks to me like the HG's had both 80mm (non All Mountain) and 100m (All Mountain) per the spec sheets above, but I've been drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB
    3) It looks to me like the HG's had both 80mm (non All Mountain) and 100m (All Mountain) per the spec sheets above, but I've been drinking.
    Yup, the Homegrown Factory suspension models all came with 80mm forks and had 71.5 degree head angles, while the All Mountain models (also known as the Homegrown Carbon models) had the100mm forks and 71 degree head angles.

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    Is the HG carbon triangle is different than the S-series carbon triangle for geometry? The S-series carbons came with 80mm forks in '99 but still had the 71 head angle. I wonder if they really had two different geometries, or if Schwinn just fudged the numbers in the tables. Hmmm... My HG is not assembled at the moment, but I should try and measure it in reality sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB
    Is the HG carbon triangle is different than the S-series carbon triangle for geometry? The S-series carbons came with 80mm forks in '99 but still had the 71 head angle. I wonder if they really had two different geometries, or if Schwinn just fudged the numbers in the tables. Hmmm... My HG is not assembled at the moment, but I should try and measure it in reality sometime.
    Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Schwinn was just creative with the numbers. I'd be very interested to hear what you find if you measure your carbon.

    A thing to remember is a 20mm jump in travel only increases the head tube angle by about 14mm to 15mm due to the increased sag of the extra travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    A thing to remember is a 20mm jump in travel only increases the head tube angle by about 14mm to 15mm due to the increased sag of the extra travel.
    True for "rider on" measurements, but geometry charts are always printed at zero sag, as I understand it. But you bring a good point, and Linkage can (I think) show numbers with sag added, but I haven't truly taken the time to understand it completely. It requires you to know the weight distribution of the bike, and I can only roughly do that by myself and with one bathroom scale. Also, a 20mm increase in fork travel doesn't necessarily mean a 20mm increase in axle-to-crown, esp when comparing different brands to each other.

    Man, I apologize for seriously derailing this thread...

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    Today I had the pleasure of meeting and riding with John Castellano today. Not only is he really knowledgeable but a super nice guy. Pretty cool to ride the trail where he conceived the sweet spot suspension design!

    Dropped off my Schwinn sweetspot frame so he could measure it up properly to start making up new bushings for everybody looking for them.

    Also got to check out a new sweetspot frame he is making now that has amazing flexibility. By simply moving the rear shock position in the rear you can run either 29 or 26 inch tires. Also you can run it as a single speed or any number of speeds you like. John had his set up with a 26 in the rear and a 29er up front as a singlespeed. It was amazing to see how nimbly he moved on this bike through rocky terrain single speeding it with 6 inch's of travel! launching and tail whipping off every rock he could find.

    Here are couple pics I took today of his bike, before and after our ride, in the first one you can see my old frame in the bike stand behind his new sweetspot.

    Edit to add link I found for this bike on his website
    http://www.castellanodesigns.com/Zorro.html
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    TahoeBC, did you take him a Homegrown Sweetspot? If you did, that means I don't need to send my front triangle to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    TahoeBC, did you take him a Homegrown Sweetspot? If you did, that means I don't need to send my front triangle to him.

    Yes, see the bike pictured in post #9 of this thread, this is the bike I left with him. You might check with John, he might want to check a couple of frames cause they could measure slightly different due to wear.

    And thanks for the heads up that the bushings he had were for a different model, I was able to call him and cancel the order before I got shipped another pair of bushing that would have be useless.
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    Rear Disk Brakes

    Has anyone successfully used one of the adapters out there to convert the Hayes 22m to 51m IS?

    Here is one link, there are probably more out there
    http://www.torontocycles.com/Selling/Adapters.html
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    im looking at getting a homegrown sweetspot frame, has the bushings but not the 'shaft' they go on, any ideas where i might get one?

    thanks!
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    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    Just contact John Castellano, he's not only the grandfather of the design, and has the parts you need. http://www.castellanodesigns.com

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    Good idea, I hadn't thought of that. They float by on Ebay occasionally, but I haven't seen any for a while.

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    thanks! as soon as i get the frame ill take some measurements and give him a call!
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    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    All the hollow pivot point pivot tubes should be the same, with the difference coming in the bushings. If all you need is the pivot tube, you shouldn't even need to take measurements.

    John is an excellent guy to work with, and can get you just about any part for your Sweetspot. You'll also find he still has a passion for them, and loves to help keep them running.

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    thats good to know, i do have the bushings by not the tube.

    thanks!
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    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    Got my Frame back from John and WOW is all I have to say. The pivot has no play at all and is super smooth, it's better than when it was new.

    He actually did quite a bit of work, the pivot area on the frame was out of round, he reamed it to fix the out-of-round condition. Then he made aluminum inserts to very tight specs--plus or minus a half thousandth, then pressed in the "Taiwan" sized Igus bushings.

    He also discovered the frame was 1/4 degree out of alignment and fixed that.

    I'll post some pics's when I get a chance, gotta get a couple parts to get this bike rolling again before I can do a test ride, but I know it's gonna be sweet

    This certainly was not worth his time money wise, and has to be his passion at work.

    Thanks John!!!
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    I'm trying to push a friend of mine over the edge on getting a Zorro, and he's shared with me the info, etc, that he's gotten from John. John certainly supports his bikes well. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from John.

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    Built the bike back out with a hodgepodge of parts I had laying around and took it for it's maiden voyage last Thursday. Rides really sweet thanks Johnn for bringing an old friend back to life
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    TahoeBC - that's fantastic that you met and got to work with JC on restoring your HG frame. Is this something that JC is up for more of - restoration work?

    I just pulled out my 1997 Factory full suspension for a 6 hour race and it was great. Pivot is at the end of its life so planning to do an overhaul (I've been collecting parts knowing this project was coming up).

    I will say this: anyone who has one of these frames needs to put an new shock on the back and front if you have not already. I now have a Cane Creek Cloud 9 in the back and a RockShox Reba Team on the front and it is a totally different (and bettter) bike. Feels like a brand new bike, really.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smailsteve
    TahoeBC - that's fantastic that you met and got to work with JC on restoring your HG frame. Is this something that JC is up for more of - restoration work?
    I believe so, call him John's Number is 877-PIVOTLESS, or e-mail him MrPivotless@castellanodesigns.com

    Super nice guy and has a passion for these old bikes
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    Smailsteve: I'm looking at the Cloud 9 for my '97 FS HG. My AD-12 is shot so I'll do the Cane Creek trade-in. Where there any specific or unique measurements for your installment? Did you deal with Cane Creek directly?
    Thanks.

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    I cannot believe how resourceful you guys are. I mentioned back in July 2009 that John Castellano still supports these bikes with bushings/bearings and you took off with it.

    I am so psyched that these bikes are still around. I get *lots* of comments about it. I am constantly amazed at how many people stop me and ask about it because they have an old one in the garage due to bad bushings/bearings. They perk up quickly when I mention that they can still get parts!

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    Hey TahoeBC, have you tried that adapter plate for the rear disc brake? It looks like it should work as the rear triangle is pretty tight and the plate should simply move the modern caliper into the correct position.

    Hope someone here has tried it because it would be great to stop running a mullet (Avid BB7 disc front, V brake rear)! That V brake in the back simply causes the rear triangle to flex too much so there's not too much stopping power.

    Thanks for any feedback.

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    Hey broonsby

    I have not tried the adapter yet, I'm waiting for you to tell me how it works out
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    Been a while since I visited this thread but I'm still subscribed. I sold my 99 Factory suspension last Spring (2010) and started riding a 6" giant Reign. Great bike, but not the efficient climber the sweetspot is. This winter I spotted an S-10 carbon with ALL original parts, even a factory tioga rear tire, on CL and picked it up as a spare. After a couple of training rides I've decided to build it up and use it for racing/epics and xtended climb rides. I bought another Risse Genesis for the rear since i was so happy with it before, a Monkeylite XC Carbon bar, 2010 Reba SL 100mm fork, and I have a set of 2009 Crossmax SL's. I'll post pics as the parts come in and get loaded to the bike. I was going to have a local fram builder weld a disc brake tab on the rear triangle, since the s-10's were made from 7005 I'm told they don't need to be heat treated after welding. However, even with that I was quoted more for that than I paid for the bike ($175 vs $150). I'm planning at this point to use the adapter sold by toronto cycles. It looks to be stiff enough and gets the caliper up and out of the frame joint. I have new BB7's waiting as well. Target: about 24.5 lbs.

    Oh, & the ODI lock-on grips with Red clamps looks positively SICK against the red/black frame!

    I'll be back with photos and a comment on the toronto cycles adapter in about 10-15 days.
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    You know, the Sweetspots make really great single speeds...

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    Ooooh, don't tempt. I have not tried the SS thing, I do a lot of climbing at my favorite trail network. I may look into 1x9 though, with a bike under 25 I think I could push a 26 or even 28 tooth cog but I'd want an 11-36 cassette.
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    I just got John Castellano's bushings and installed them. Tough to get it right because they seem like they are actually flared, but a great, tight fit when in. Hey, can soemone save me a little time? I have a raceface Deus XC crankset with external BB. Will that work on the older BB shell? I'd like to use this modern crankset, but if the Schwinn won't take it, I'll leave the old square taper LX. Thanks.
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    The external bottom brackets work just fine, though I'd strongly recommend facing the bottom bracket shell. I've found every single one I've done needed facing, I suspect because of how it's welded into the rear triangle.

    Pick up the DMR STS kit from Jenson USA for $40 and give single speed a try. You definitely owe it to yourself to do it at least once.

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    Set my old sweetspot up with the cross tires and did a 80 mile, nearly 13K of vert ride on Saturday, fun to get out on the ole bike again. Think I have a reason to ride this bike more now as single speeding never really appealed to me and I can't ride a hardtail any more due to lower back issues, so set up as a cross bike is perfect for getting this bike back into ride rotations again.





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    Reviving an old thread for clarification on the bushing size for aluminum Factory Homegrowns. Is it the same as the McMaster bushing mentioned early in this thread but with a 4mm thick flange? Does Castellanodesigns still sell them? I sent him an email this morning, but I can't wait until Monday to find out. Thanks in advance!

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