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    Thanks CTB!
    I'm actually the third owner of the 4Banger. It's a 17" as you so astutely point out and it belonged originally to Elke Brutsaert from Team Schwinn Toyota. The frame still had a sticker with her name on it when I bought it.

    After she was finished with it for her race season, someone bought the frame off of her, built it with full XTR and a Marzocchi Jr T double crown fork and rode it for a year or two.

    I found it on the MTBR classifieds, and replaced the Jr T as it didn't fit my riding style.
    Other than that, I've been riding it pretty much as is except for replacing the Hayes discs with Avid Juicys in the summer of 2006. Since that picture, I got a new saddle, seatpost, and stem, as they all wore out.

    I actually have the SID race rear shock for that frame and used to swap it in for racing.
    But I haven't raced in a while, and the SID race is just gathering dust in my basement.

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    Damn CTB your banger must ride great with all those updated parts on it. How big of a difference was it going from the coil-over to fox rear?
    oh an trailburner your team issue looks tough for sure. The fact that it's your only ride and have been riding it since 01 is a true testament of how tough these bikes can be.
    I'm glad to see all this banger love! I've got some carbon bits waiting to go on my bike soon (k-force crankset and fsa handlebars) and seeing these pics really gets me excited.

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    Hi Crash Course!
    Your bike is beautiful! Love the Bass Boat sparkle!
    I went through the same thing as you when I wanted to upgrade to new discs.
    Fortunately, I knew that Shimano themselves made an adaptor and I was able to procure one. The Shimano part number is Y-8B2 98070 but you might have a difficult time finding one these days. That is what I currently use to mount my Juicy seven to the rear.

    However, there are others that make adaptors. Just google for "Hayes 22mm adaptor" and with a little diligence, you should find a solution that will work for you.

    These bikes are really tough, I ride mine all year round, including Michigan winters, and I haven't had any problems with it, although I feel it's finally starting to show its age.
    The 4banger and straight6 were so far ahead of their time, that they still hold up well even given today's advances in suspension tech.

    I would love to outfit my bike with a whole new XT gruppo, as over the years, my components are starting to show their age.
    Alas, I just don't have the funds for that.

    If I would ever get a new mountain bike, I think I would just hang this one on my living room wall. I love it too much to part with it!

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    Now that this thread has come back to life, it made me dig through my hard drive for pics of my bike.
    Here are some random shots of my 4 Banger in the wild, in no particular order:














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    Trail, I remember the picture of your bike with the orange fungus from earlier in this thread. I was thinking that was the only other Team I had seen, but it was the same one. Ha! Cool. Great pictures.

    Kenji, I can't really say how much the bike changed from the coil shock since I never rode it on a trail with the coil. These parts are all from my red 4-Banger that I rode all this year. I will say this, though - I think the bike works better with a rising-rate spring like an air shock than a linear one like a coil. It makes it feel like you never bottom out, even though you might. Before I had the Fox parts, I had SID front and rear. The Fox, to me, was an improvement on both the fork and shock. Of course, I gained rear travel with the rear Fox shock, and the F100 fork flexes less than the old SID did. I'm very happy with how the red bike performed. We'll see how I like the HG once the weather breaks.

    EDIT: OK, a couple more pics. Wheel/tire swap so that I could ride on pavement (Race Kings wear out quickly, I'm told, so I'm saving them for the trail), etc.




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    2000 Schwinn Moab 1



    Just picked it up on Craigslist.


    Had a 97 Homegrown XT, it was stolen. This Moab has made me happy again. Lots to do starting with stem and bars. I need them higher! Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omarman
    Lots to do starting with stem and bars. I need them higher! Any thoughts?
    First and foremost, is that bike the right size for you?

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    It's a 21", which is the largest size it came in. I need a new stem (maybe 120mm at about 15d or more) and some riser bars. My last bike was about the same size frame and with riser stem and bars fit me well. It's been a while since I shopped around for stems though.

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    1997 Schwinn Homegrown XT


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    Nice bikes, Omarman! Sorry to hear one was stolen.
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    old school

    old schwinn made with all old 8 speed parts
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    Hi Folks!

    I just wanted to ask if anybody of you has aan idea how to overcome the gap of the ICBM top-cap on the Homegrown frames?

    You can see the slit on the picture below (borrowed from post #27 as I didn't take a pic of mine installed) it's the silver gap between the black top-cap and the golden headtube
    It would also help if you can advice me another top-cap which is slightly longer and can reduce this gap!


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    Good job! 1998 Moab 1

    Here's my 1998 Moab 1 size 21".

    After the latest update the only original part left is the headset. Even the frame itself has been custom welded to take a disc brake.

    Current setup is Revelation 426 coil, Juicy Sevens, 1x9 drivetrain with a N-Gear Jump Stop, old DT Onyx + Mavic D521 wheels with Nokian 2.3" winter tyres. It's a very fun bike to ride.
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    Since we're all talikin' 4-bangers again, thought I'd post an updated pic. My best version yet.
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    Tema, love the looks of those big 2.3's on there.

    Joe, what else can be said?

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    Here is my '99 4-banger. The Stratos helix pro gives it around 6" with lockout in the rear and the Jr T has about 5" in front. I have ridden this bike hard for 10 years and it still charges. It is ok on the climbs, but it loves to descend.
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    Here is a pic of my '97 S-20 (past bike) and my '99 4 Banger, (current bike).
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    Thought I'd throw mine in the mix. 1999 S-20 Carbon. She's been dormant for several years, but I've been putting her back into action this year.

    I have a Fuji 29 Hardtail coming to add to the stable. Thought I'd give the 29 a shot with all of the good press on them.
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    SOOoo, you Homegrown experts, can you help me to confirm the ID in this rig? Me thinks its a 1999 HG factory suspension XT. This falls into the "Sweet Spot" line, right? If the info on bonustomato.com is right, this was the only model in this line that year. Can anyone verify that.

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    Your bike is nearly exactly the bike pictured in the '99 catalog as a Homegrown Factory Suspension.

    http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1...0/1999_10.html

    It's the only Sweetspot Homegrown that year, but the S10/20/30 Carbon and S40 aluminum Sweetspots were also sold that year.

    Is that a 17"? Wanna sell it?
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    I've only had it a couple weeks! It's about a 19". Anyone know where I might find an original seat?

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    Ah, I'll let you keep it then. Are you a sticker for originality? I have the original seat from my Moab 2, and it is essentially an upholstered brick that I replaced with something more comfortable. My catalog indicates that your bike was shipped with a Giro Fi'zi:k originally, if that helps at all.

    BTW, if you want to determine if your bike is a 17" or a 19", measure the head tube length. The 17, 19, and 21 all had different lengths for the head tube - 90, 110, and 140mm, respectively.

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    I have one of those split Specialized chairs. Not bad, it's just that I've seen a pic (on this thread) of the original. COOL, but it doesn't look very comfortable.
    I rode tonight (before watching my Blazers make fools of Denver, secure home court against Houston and R. Fernandez set a 3-point shooting record.. sorry. Game just ended and I'm still abuzz) Anyway, back to the bike. What a great ride. The bike did things I don't think I fully understand. I was able to slice off corners that I used to have to slow and then regain momentum. This is my first full suspension rig, so I'm in the 'sweet spot' of the learning curve.
    I'm pretty sure this is a 19". a 17 would feel too small, and a 21 too big. My last bike was an 18" Kona HT, which was just a bit on the small side for me. Before that I had a 20 or 21 hardtail which was definitely too big. What do you think Goldilocks would say about this bike?

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    If this is your first FS rig, then your reactions are exactly as I'd expect. My Sweetspot HG (carbon) was also my first FS rig (in '00), and I still vividly remember my first ride. I couldn't believe how easily I railed the bumpy stuff and kept control of the bike compared to my Moab, in particular one really gnarly high-speed corner on my favorite trail. I'm glad you had the same experience. You'll have a blast with the bike. I only "replaced" mine in May of last year, and that was because I just felt like it. The bike is still in fine shape.

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    I went riding today with the SID while I work on v2.0 of the Fox shock mount. I really want that Fox back...the SID's ok, but the Fox was definitely an improvement on the bike.

    I had my camera today.




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    Beautiful. I'm realizing today that those $2500 treks I was panting after last fall don't have much on this bike. I didn't get to trail test one of those, but whatever they may have I can still get with the extra $2150 I kept by buying this. With the exception of announcing that I can spend that kind of coin on a toy. That doesn't come at a discount. Well, maybe 5-finger discount, but the guilt price of that is steep, too.

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    Still have my Rocket 88, here are some a new pic

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    Purchased this today.
    2001 Schwinn Homegrown Factory Limited
    Manitou R7
    XO shifters
    XO rear, XT fr
    Bontrage crankset
    Cheap wellgo platforms
    BB7 discs with Avid Titanium Speed Dial levers
    Mavic Crossride disc
    WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55
    Thompson post
    WTB Rocket V (i think, didn't pay much attn)
    Ritchy stem
    RaceFace NEXT carbon bars and tree grabbers
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LEStmLTnEpbjKgb3qe5eJw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-obqL1zQWTY/SiSJMYXXl8I/AAAAAAAAA3k/JLrCs9FqQ60/s800/tomato1.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/eric.rugger/2001SchwinnHomegrownFactoryLimited?feat=embedwebsi te">2001 Schwinn Homegrown Factory Limited</a></td></tr></table>
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LIVxNrI57Qp62M9XhRQmpw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-obqL1zQWTY/SiSJMnmtXQI/AAAAAAAAA3o/1LSyR3kdS00/s800/tomato2.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/eric.rugger/2001SchwinnHomegrownFactoryLimited?feat=embedwebsi te">2001 Schwinn Homegrown Factory Limited</a></td></tr></table>
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IPf9FmAqVP6QHgqcuR18Yw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-obqL1zQWTY/SiSJNLl3LjI/AAAAAAAAA3w/cb31FECqmbQ/s800/tomato4.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/eric.rugger/2001SchwinnHomegrownFactoryLimited?feat=embedwebsi te">2001 Schwinn Homegrown Factory Limited</a></td></tr></table>
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FUa4NB9MNuvk9d99Z655mQ?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_-obqL1zQWTY/SiSJNd2F1rI/AAAAAAAAA30/b366swnn6_s/s800/tomato5.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/eric.rugger/2001SchwinnHomegrownFactoryLimited?feat=embedwebsi te">2001 Schwinn Homegrown Factory Limited</a></td></tr></table>
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NOHslRTQaN5NbHSmOSFHAQ?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_-obqL1zQWTY/SiSJM_mO3dI/AAAAAAAAA3s/GtqbI7SLRPQ/s800/tomato3.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/eric.rugger/2001SchwinnHomegrownFactoryLimited?feat=embedwebsi te">2001 Schwinn Homegrown Factory Limited</a></td></tr></table>

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    Lucky Bastard!

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    Man, that color is gorgeous. I'll bet it's a blur at speed. Being kind of a ww, I'm curious: what does the whole bike weigh?
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    Thanks. I have never been a real WW, being a 200lb former rugby player myself it just doesn't fit. I wanted a hardtail to ride with the family and maybe do some light trail riding and lucked out when I posted on a local MTB board. No idea about the weight, I'll have it weighed when I take it in today for a once over and a wash. I imagine that tires make up a a couple of pounds themselves.

    After riding a 33lb Cannondale Gemini (dieted down from 38 when I got it) this thing feels like a paper weight. My current build, Chumba XCL will probably be 30-32lbs which is fine for me.

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    Clean bill of health and 25 lbs 6 oz with those beastly pedals and tires (not tubeless).

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    That's darn light with those balloons on there! Nice.

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    Yea, I was surprised. Correction, frt der is XTR, saddle is a titanium railed WTB Rocket - not sure if it's SLT or Team. The Bontrager crank is a Race Lite.

    Unless I start to commute on it, I have no reason to put lighter rubber on there, I'm not a racer.

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    Very well, I shall play.

    1999 Homegrown Pro, set up as a single speed and my primary ride. I hunted this specific frame down since it uses butted tubing, is made for a 80mm fork, and is Bass Boat Blue (even though it's the later, darker color). It handles great, and climbs great. It currently weighs about 21.5 pounds, and will drop to about 20.5 by the end of the season.



    2001 Straight 6 set up as a heavy trail bike. It works well and is really fun, but doesn't get ridden much. It needs a slightly longer stem, and the head angle dialed down some. Currently weighs 30.5 pounds.



    The front of a 1999 Sweetspot in Bass Boat Blue. I'm still looking for a rear triangle and shock for it. Once it's complete again, it'll probably become a full suspension single speed, which the Sweetspot frames are great for.



    Finally, courtesy of mtbdee, a 1996 Project Underground. I'm not planning on building this frame up (unless I find a spare).


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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    Very well, I shall play.

    1999 Homegrown Pro, set up as a single speed and my primary ride. I hunted this specific frame down since it uses butted tubing, is made for a 80mm fork, and is Bass Boat Blue (even though it's the later, darker color). It handles great, and climbs great. It currently weighs about 21.5 pounds, and will drop to about 20.5 by the end of the season.
    Nice, there was one listed here locally, frame only in BBB. Would like to pick it up, but it's a 21", too big.

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    B-Mech, if you ever decide to liquidate, give me a call. I don't have an aluminum SweetSpot, and yours is one of the ones I'd love to have. Big fan of BBB, esp the Factorys. Someday I'll have a Homegrown hardtail, too. Yours would match my Banger nicely. Ha!

    Your Straight Six is really only 30.5 lb? I guess that makes sense, as my Banger was right around there and the bigger shock doesn't weigh that much more than my SID did.

    And the Underground...not much more to say there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB
    B-Mech, if you ever decide to liquidate...
    No chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by CTB
    Your Straight Six is really only 30.5 lb? I guess that makes sense, as my Banger was right around there and the bigger shock doesn't weight that much more than my SID did.
    Yup, and it'll drop to 30 or a little below before the end of the season. I'd guess your 4 Banger is lighter, since the Straight 6 had a heavier frame (if I remember correctly).

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    And the Underground...not much more to say there.
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    No chance.
    Same with me. Mine are staying for good.

    your 4 Banger is lighter, since the Straight 6 had a heavier frame (if I remember correctly).
    I think they were largely the same, shy of maybe head angle. I've always wondered, since the S6's were available in 16, 18, and 20 sizes, but the Bangers were 15, 17, 19. Did they really change them, or did they just use a different measurement method?

    BTW, my Banger was a 17". That's the one that was around 30 (I don't have an accurate scale), prior to some lightweight changes I've made. My HG4B is a 19", and with all the light stuff it's about the same weight. Much better than the 34 it was when I bought it.

    Here's a quick recap since I have pictures spread all over the place. Most of them are a little different than these pics, having had some mods along the way, but close enough.

    98 Moab 2 Alum:


    98 HG SweetSpot:


    00 Banger (now dismantled, someday it'll be a bike again):


    99 HG4B, my current main ride:


    98 HG SweetSpot triangle, spare, or waiting for an HG rear triangle:
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    My Straight 6 in an 18" weighs 3450 grams with the Fox shock. Now we just need someone to weigh a 4 Banger frame.

    4 Banger / Straight 6 sizing was always kind of weird. If you look at the specs, every year the bike became shorter front to back. Again, I don't know if this was a measurement thing, or if they actually were becoming shorter.

    CTB, would you mind measuring the seat tube and top tube of your 19" 4 Banger? I'd like to see how it compares to the measurements of my Straight 6.

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    I assume that 3450 is the complete frame, i.e. not just the front triangle. No deraillers? Give me some time and I could probably come up with a sum for my 17" 4B. I weighed the parts on a gram scale and can add them together, with the exception of the front triangle. I haven't weighed that yet, and it has a front D on it and no headset.

    Measurements: Yep, I can do that. I'm posting pictures of how I measured them, too, so that you can judge how close they are to what you have. Sorry for the clarity issues on the red pics - I had the camera set wrong. I'm assuming that "pics of measurements" counts as "pics of your Schwinn," so I figured these would be ok in this thread. If anyone objects, just say so and BM and I will move it to another thread.

    17" 4-Banger:

    Seat tube: 17" dead from center of the BB to the top of the seat clamp.


    Top tube: 20.25" along the centerline, center-to-center (seat tube to head tube)


    Top tube, C-to-C: 20 5/8", as shown. Note again that the very shallow seat tube angle of the 4B frame means that seat-to-stem varies more than normal as you raise the seat.


    19" Homegrown 4B:

    Seat tube: 19" dead.


    Top tube: 22.5". Because of the design, I can't really go parallel to the centerline of the top tube:


    Top tube, C-to-C: 22 7/8", measured as shown. The Homegrowns have a normal 73° seat tube angle, as compared to the non-HG's.


    Let me know if this helps.

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    I posted before, but here's a photo of my 99 HG Factory Sus. in it natural habitat.

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    Sweet. Another pic from the PacNW that makes me want to try riding there.

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    here is my new homegrown build. Just got the frame about 2 months ago and now its all build up
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaooe
    here is my new homegrown build. Just got the frame about 2 months ago and now its all build up
    How do you like the new SID? I've been thinking of buying one myself.

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    My Straight 6's actual measurements are as follows:

    seat tube (c-t) = 19"
    top tube (actual) = 20.75"
    top tube (effective) = 22"

    So it looks like the Straight 6 slots in nicely between the 17" and 19" 4 Bangers. Also, this reaffirms my desire to find a 19" Homegrown 4 Banger to mate my Straight 6 rear end to.

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    My 1988 Schwinn Homegrown XT Bass Boat finish.

    I was looking for some motivation to ride more, kids and family getting the best of middle-aged %@!$% these days, but still find time occasionally. I bought this bike at a shop in Madison Wisconsin in 1998. All original parts are on it still.
    i had a problem uploading my photo. i will try to post better ones soon.
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    Wow, that's a beauty there. I have that same saddle down in my basement from my 4-Banger.

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    Ctb

    I need new tires. Can your recommend anything xc, good climber, and can handle wet rocks and tree roots? I haven't kept up with the latest and greatest in several years.

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    CTB your schwinn

    I took a look at your pics. great looking bike. I see you're a real schwinn fan. I fell in love with the bike when I first, although my girlfriend and now wife thought I was nuts paying a so much for a bike. I told her that it would be the last one I buy and 11 years later, I have yet to consider a new bike and ... wife.

    catch up with you later.

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