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    Mongoose XR 200

    Mongoose XR 200

    This is one awesome bike for the money. If you are looking for something affordable and rugged that won't cost an arm and a leg to maintain or repair this is the best deal I could find:















    Specs include:

    Aluminum swing link, alloy dual-suspension frame
    ZOOM fork
    21-speed SRAM MRX Pro/Shimano TX-30
    Promax disc brake with rear alloy V-Brake
    Alloy levers
    Mongoose Alloy-forged three-piece crankset
    36-spoke black andonized alloy rims
    Kickstand
    Quick-release seat

    I own this bike and have punished it for quite some time and it handles everything I throw at it. If you do have a problem Mongoose has the best customer service I have ever had the pleasure to deal with. Just let them know what is wrong and they will ship out whatever you need, no questions asked. If you are looking to get into the sport for under $200 and get the most out of your riding experience without breaking the bank then this is the best deal on the net!

    Have any questions? Hit me up!

    Ride Safe!

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    How long have you had it?

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    How Long?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    How long have you had it?
    8 months at this point

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    Weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Kickstand
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by hardwarz
    Weight?

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    6' 1" 190 pounds

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    Happy

    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    I have never seen anyone so happy about a kickstand. Personally I could do without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    6' 1" 190 pounds
    Sorry, I should have been more specific. Weight of the bike?

    Hardwarz

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    Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by hardwarz
    Sorry, I should have been more specific. Weight of the bike?

    Hardwarz
    I think you are looking for the "Weight Weenies" thread. This bike isn't carbon fiber but it doesn't seem heavy at all to me.

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    I like my bikes to weight right around 30 lbs or less. I'm not trying to get an all carbon fiber, sub 22 lbs bike. Just trying to stay away from the 35+ lbs bikes.

    Hardwarz

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    Shipping weight on it is 42 lbs. *shrugs*

    I don't think anyone buying this bike is all that concerned with weight, its more of a "get what you can" at a given price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Shipping weight on it is 42 lbs. *shrugs*

    I don't think anyone buying this bike is all that concerned with weight, its more of a "get what you can" at a given price point.
    And that's fine. Sometimes you find a suprising deal.

    Hardwarz

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Shipping weight on it is 42 lbs. *shrugs*

    I don't think anyone buying this bike is all that concerned with weight, its more of a "get what you can" at a given price point.
    Does that include the box and all the packing materials? Like I siad it doesn't seem like it is that heavy. I may need to find some truck scales and weigh in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Does that include the box and all the packing materials? Like I siad it doesn't seem like it is that heavy. I may need to find some truck scales and weigh in.
    The way I've weighed mine, I just tighten the rear brake adjuster until the wheel won't spin then ballance the bike on a regular bathroom scale. It won't be perfect, but it'll be a good ball park.

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    i have not seen one that colur only chrome did u paint it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Does that include the box and all the packing materials? Like I siad it doesn't seem like it is that heavy. I may need to find some truck scales and weigh in.
    Its the shipping weight, so I'd imagine that DOES include the packing materials... I can't imagine the packing materials accounting for much weight though.

    Quote Originally Posted by ege
    i have not seen one that colur only chrome did u paint it
    Looks like he just pulled the cheesy decals off.

    http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10660673



    There's apparently a difference(obvious frame differences) between the XR 200 and the XR-200, LOL, don't ask me why they didn't change up the names a bit more?...

    http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=2513014

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    8 pounds

    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Its the shipping weight, so I'd imagine that DOES include the packing materials... I can't imagine the packing materials accounting for much weight though.



    Looks like he just pulled the cheesy decals off.

    http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10660673



    There's apparently a difference(obvious frame differences) between the XR 200 and the XR-200, LOL, don't ask me why they didn't change up the names a bit more?...

    http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=2513014
    Ya the stickers were about 8 pounds so that helped a lot lol!

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    There are two models. The old one was silver and this is the new model for 2009.

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    Bravo!

    Quote Originally Posted by hardwarz
    The way I've weighed mine, I just tighten the rear brake adjuster until the wheel won't spin then ballance the bike on a regular bathroom scale. It won't be perfect, but it'll be a good ball park.

    Hardwarz
    Great idea! Now I just need to find a fat person with a scale lol!

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    cool i like it

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    Red

    Quote Originally Posted by ege
    i have not seen one that colur only chrome did u paint it
    No, but I might paint it later after I put a few more miles on it. It comes with the red and black and there is a Schwin FS that is almost just like it. I just took the cheesy stickers off of it and it looked great. If you take your stickers off make sure you save the date code sticker. It's near the bottom bracket near the cranks. If you have a warranty problem you will need the date code when you report it. Its the small silver and black sticker.

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    RaWk On

    Quote Originally Posted by ege
    cool i like it
    Thanks! I ride about 20-30 miles a day on it. It was a great deal and didn't need much tuning. If you snag one and need some tips then let me know!

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    To me, the frame design seemed alot more robust than the XR-75s and the older XR-200(silver one). I nearly bought one, but didn't like the look of some of the welds and everything I've read on the rear suspension made it sounds like more of a nuisance than not.

    I did buy a Walmart bike though, Schwinn Sidewinder. I liked that it didn't have FS, less to break and the frame seemed sturdy(sure, its heavy too). Didn't want to spend a ton of money on a hobby I might not pursue. Sure, I could have bought used, but I wouldn't have known what to look out for as far as prior owner abuse. The Scwhalmart bike allowed me to get on the road quick. So far so good, but only bought it less than a week ago. Figured I'd just run the bike into the ground and buy an entry level LBS bike when its trashed. If I can't trash it properly, maybe I'll just upgrade it and become one of the forum oddities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    To me, the frame design seemed alot more robust than the XR-75s and the older XR-200(silver one). I nearly bought one, but didn't like the look of some of the welds and everything I've read on the rear suspension made it sounds like more of a nuisance than not.

    I did buy a Walmart bike though, Schwinn Sidewinder. I liked that it didn't have FS, less to break and the frame seemed sturdy(sure, its heavy too). Didn't want to spend a ton of money on a hobby I might not pursue. Sure, I could have bought used, but I wouldn't have known what to look out for as far as prior owner abuse. The Scwhalmart bike allowed me to get on the road quick. So far so good, but only bought it less than a week ago. Figured I'd just run the bike into the ground and buy an entry level LBS bike when its trashed. If I can't trash it properly, maybe I'll just upgrade it and become one of the forum oddities.
    I would love to see some pics of it if you have any.

    As far as the welds go on the XR I looked at several until I found one that was acceptable. Sometimes you get lucky and run into a factory worker that has some pride and it shows in their work. I stayed away from the assembled units in the garden section of the store as I knew the inside of the rear frame would be rusted. The one I got was quite clean and grey on the inside. The rear suspension is why I picked the XR. It is simple and rugged and made from steel. The forces are linear where the rear suspension meets the front frame and the welds at those points are thick and sturdy. The pins that hold the bottom and top sections are thick. I just coated those parts that move and the pins with a little bit of bearing grease so they are quiet and operate smoothly. On the bottom connection there are plastic grommets that hold the steel section together on the aluminium welded receivers. The only problem there I can see is after a while they might wear but so far it is very quiet and operates nicely. I agree about the trash comment. Just be careful as to not trash yourself in the process lol!

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    Alright..its always good to here someone so happy with there rig and just getting out doors..enjoy the ride.and always remember where a helmet
    Respect the Aina....Aloha

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    Tru dat

    Quote Originally Posted by KAHAIKAPU
    Alright..its always good to here someone so happy with there rig and just getting out doors..enjoy the ride.and always remember where a helmet
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    I feel the OP presented a compelling case, good enough to turn me over to his side and accept that possibly, this mongoose is more bike than we think it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I would love to see some pics of it if you have any.
    Didn't want to clog your thread with photos not pertaining to your topic.

    Posted a thread with pics here http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...33#post5870033

    Looking forward to the internet bashing

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    I just added some lights from an old LED project. Pics will follow shortly!
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    Restoration

    Just got a Mongoose Masher hardtail for FREE! I am restoring it and will post a new thread about it. Keep an eye out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    I feel the OP presented a compelling case, good enough to turn me over to his side and accept that possibly, this mongoose is more bike than we think it to be.
    I will agree. Oddly enough. I generally hate wally world bikes, but I have a customer with one of these who is in the process of upgrading some parts as they wear out and despite it being a lead sled he seems to like it and thats fine with me. Good luck all.

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    To theMongoose Pilot Haters.

    Hey Mongoose Pilot,

    I just happened to come upon your thread accidently. I was looking up info on the XR 200 and came upon eveyone bashing your threads and the bike its self. I admit, yes I bought a Wal Mart Bike for 200.00, but I did so because I am new to the sport/hobby, Its not that I could'nt of bought a higher end entry bike for 700 or 800 dollars its because I am new to the sport and I though well if I get into it and hate it or its just not me I only invested some time and 200 verses 800. So to Cummy or crumby or whatever your name is, stop bashing people for the bike they ride. Most of us do this for the fun and exercise of it or like myself I am just starting out, and not to look gay with my package showing in biker shorts on a stunning high end expensive bike. What happened to experianced riders such as your self in helping and keeping MTB a fun and comfortable hobby? Why shy people away from what could be a great sport to get into. You only now make people and myself feel like we have to be embarraced because I am on a cheap starter bike, and we are lammers or something. If you ask me you guys are bike snobs. I totally agree with mongoose pilot. GOD SPEED Mongoose pilot, By the way its not always the bike that makes the rider a great rider. In my other pasionate hobby of RC racing I would never shut out a newbie because he bought a 200 dollar RTR verses my 1000 or more truck, but he would become a great driver because I gave him or her pos feedback and a helping hand, and a great welcome to the sport. Eat that S@#t! Cummy.

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    hay,
    If you wanna use a barbie fishing pole to catch a trout...go for it
    Using a toy for MTB can hurt you tho...

    nice first post JA

    and to make it more realistic of 'scale'...how about if someone came out with a $30 RC that only turned when you went in reverse?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Thanks Highdelll,

    I am not trying to bash people on here. Everyone has the right to jump in the sport investing it all or in my case investing a little to test the waters with my barbie fishing pole while while carrying the experiance back home in my 30.00 RC truck that only turns in reverse-it makes getting home by the way pretty fn' difficult. You are obviouly an experianced biker? What do you suggest for a great starter bike that wont cost me a ton just to try out the sport, and to keep my self in one piece?

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    Thanks for the support. I'm not ashamed of the purchase I made. I haven't hurt myself or anyone else with it and as far as the XR 200 goes, I think it is one of the best investments I have made. It even turns both directions forward and backwards. I don't need to bash anyone either. Maybe that is what the sport is about, supporting others and being a good influence. Dragging Barbie into this will solve nothing and as far as Highdell and the others are concerned they are close minded. In other words, if you don't think like they do then they will reject you and your ideas. The bottom line is one should make their own decision regardless of what others think. If you want a great bike that won't break the bank and you hate those little shorts the other guys wear then hit me up. I am restoring a Mongoose Masher for sale and have started rebuilding bikes that people donate or just abandon.

    For more info check out my thread here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAJAMES35
    ... What do you suggest for a great starter bike that wont cost me a ton just to try out the sport, and to keep my self in one piece?
    Dood, you can spend the same$$ on CL and get 10X the bike you could ever get at wamlart et. al.
    350-400 bucks can get you a new hopper or somethin,,,at the bike shop or 'LBS'
    a department store bike is a TOY - and dangerous to ride any serious trails.

    please see the sticky (I think it's 'stuck') in the 'Beginner's forum' -
    it's something like "Department store bikes"... bla bla bla....
    it's a goood read
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Assume

    You assume everyone that buys a bike wants to race downhill trials. Do you think one would need to spend 1k for a bike that they wish to ride on a jogging trial casually? Don't answer that.
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    If I were to buy a bike for a 'casual jogging trail'
    I would want a bike that:
    -Didn't have a sloppy/dangerous fork
    -had a decent derailleur that shifted well
    -had pedals that weren't sloppy/floppy
    -fit me well
    -didn't weigh 40lbs unnecessarily...
    etc

    you dont have to spend $1000 to get that either
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Wow you just described...

    -Has a decent tight fork
    -has a decent derailleur that indexes flawlessly
    -has pedals that aren't sloppy/floppy
    -fits me like a fine suit
    -doesn't weigh 40lbs unnecessarily...

    That describes a bike I paid about $200.00 for:

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/MONGOOSE%20XR%20200/?action=view&current=MXR200-9.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/MONGOOSE%20XR%20200/MXR200-9.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose XR 200,Mongoose XR 200,Moutain Bike,Popular"></a>

    This one was donated and all I need now is a back rim to finish it out:

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/?action=view&current=Masherpainted.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/Masherpainted.jpg" border="0" alt="Mountain Bike Dicontinued Model"></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    Dood, you can spend the same$$ on CL and get 10X the bike you could ever get at wamlart et. al.
    350-400 bucks can get you a new hopper or somethin,,,at the bike shop or 'LBS'
    a department store bike is a TOY - and dangerous to ride any serious trails.

    please see the sticky (I think it's 'stuck') in the 'Beginner's forum' -
    it's something like "Department store bikes"... bla bla bla....
    it's a goood read

    Thanks Highdelll,
    I will check that thread out. You truely dont have to spend a lot of money to get a descent ride, and be safe at the same time. MGP-you keep rocking out on your XR 200 as I will for now, as well. Highdell is right though I will def not be hitting any hardcore trails with this bike unless I want some serious injuries! Thanks for the help, and setting me in the right direction. When I do get my first non dept store bike I will post it here. Eating your dust MTB riders.

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    i agree with highdelll. i would buy a used bike for 200. then when i am ready to get something better i would have a frame that would make a sweet singlespeed project. its stupid to have rear suspension for jogging trails being ridden casually. infact, its stupid to have front suspension. i would get a $200 rigid with some decent parts.. probably come in under 30# too....
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    True

    It's all a matter of preference. I agree with Highdell on some points and not others. As far as suspension goes on a jogging trail it is just a matter of comfort and ease of use. Perhaps when you get older you might appreciate those points. The XR is not a hardcore trail or downhill bike, although I have hit some advanced trails with it I don't recomend amature riders to even attempt it without first knowing the entire bike, components and safety precautions on ANY bike. Would I like a new Mongoose Pinn'r? Sure I would, but I can't justify the cost unless I was competing professionally and winning some prize money. The point of this post is that the XR-200 is a great bike and it is affordable for people who would like to try out the sport, some light to medium trails or are just looking to get into shape by doing a few miles a day on a jogging trail. I never said this bike was the end all be all or that it was indestructable but it is a good bike if you know how to tune and maintain it properly and are looking for an affordable entry point that also features a killer warranty and super customer support. Think about it, if you break something on a used bike or a LBS bike you won't have such an easy time getting FREE replacements for it. At some point, if you really love the sport, then I do recommend a top of the line specifically designed rig.

    Ride safe and save money for the medical bills, especially if you don't have insurance.
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    hey mongoose dont let them guys give you any crap, hell i love my xr250, im not hardcore but i do occasionally get a wild hair, i havent had any problems, i also have a hardtail i hardly ever ride since i went to full suspension, after a few miles on the ht i start to feel every lil bump and pebble on the road, thanks to a 25 year old back injury, the full suspension bike allows me to ride longer and rougher trails without feeling like someone beat me with a stick afterwards, they will understand this in a few years. you other guys dont get me wrong i would love a higher end bike, but i ride what i have, and its doing its job well

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    btw mgp great job on the 200

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    Old Dudes

    Yeah, us old dudes will be just fine and I don't let their lack of experience get to me at all. You know there is always an advantage to having years of experience and plenty of perks. Lone knows what I am talking about.

    As an update here is the finished Mongoose Masher with both new rims and tires. Tons of other new parts and features and it is up for sale if anyone is interested:

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/?action=view&current=Finished1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/Finished1.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Masher Restored"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/?action=view&current=Finished2rear.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/Finished2rear.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Masher Restored"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/?action=view&current=Finished3front.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20Masher/Finished3front.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Masher Restored"></a>
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    im willing to bet money that the underwear i put on this morning is older than half the guys that posted on this thread lol, great job on the bike!! im sure you wont have any problems selling it

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    what does the sticker say on the top tube?

    http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/y.../MXR200-10.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8
    what does the sticker say on the top tube?

    http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/y.../MXR200-10.jpg
    It is a warning to wear a helmet.
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    I think those are cool rides, both your Masher and 200. as long as your happy and get lots of enjoyment then its a win/win situation for you. if you take care of your bike(s), and dont abuse them, i dont see why they wont last a long time,, and be competitive with alot of other bikes...

    I have a mongoose hardtail too,, ill try to post some pics. in a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinglud1
    I think those are cool rides, both your Masher and 200. as long as your happy and get lots of enjoyment then its a win/win situation for you. if you take care of your bike(s), and dont abuse them, i dont see why they wont last a long time,, and be competitive with alot of other bikes...

    I have a mongoose hardtail too,, ill try to post some pics. in a few days.
    Thanks for being open minded. I love riding both of them and they are holding up great. I'm sure other people have had problems but seriously I think it's a lack of knowledge on the part of the owners for the most part. Some models are cheap and rickety but the two I have seem to be just fine and they didn't come with a disclaimer sticker like the lower end ones. Once again thanks for the support and I can't wait to see your hardtail rig.
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    for sure, any bike no matter how much or how strong can succumb to abuse, negelect,
    and rider error.. and keeping things running smoothly does take at least alittle mechanical know-how or a good LBS especially high milage bikes and rough trail conditions can take there toll.. i think some time newer people to the sport have a bit of learning curve as well..
    and like you said , shouldnt blame the bike for their lack of knowledge/understanding how the bike actual works..

    thats great if yours doesnt have the disclamier, i think mine did, but i brought it along time ago(~13 years old, 1996 lol.) but that is testament to how good these bikes/frames are, Ive gone through 3 sets of wheels and prolly 2000 miies, beat the heck out of this thing,,,,, and it still comes back for more, never had a problem, and is more reliable than most of my friends "higher end" bikes... i never let a disclamier stop me from doing alot of hardcore rides, and really working the bike to its limits...

    I really like your XR200, i wish mine was FS. i bet that's the ticket.. the HT's can be alittle bone-jaring if you know what i mean.. how much rear travel do you have?? is it the stock shock/spring?? i usually dont go to fast,, but how does it feel at medium to higher speeds like 20-30 mphs..i mite be looking at getting one in the future to get a more modern frame and FS......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinglud1
    for sure, any bike no matter how much or how strong can succumb to abuse, negelect,
    and rider error.. and keeping things running smoothly does take at least alittle mechanical know-how or a good LBS especially high milage bikes and rough trail conditions can take there toll.. i think some time newer people to the sport have a bit of learning curve as well..
    and like you said , shouldnt blame the bike for their lack of knowledge/understanding how the bike actual works..

    thats great if yours doesnt have the disclamier, i think mine did, but i brought it along time ago(~13 years old, 1996 lol.) but that is testament to how good these bikes/frames are, Ive gone through 3 sets of wheels and prolly 2000 miies, beat the heck out of this thing,,,,, and it still comes back for more, never had a problem, and is more reliable than most of my friends "higher end" bikes... i never let a disclamier stop me from doing alot of hardcore rides, and really working the bike to its limits...

    I really like your XR200, i wish mine was FS. i bet that's the ticket.. the HT's can be alittle bone-jaring if you know what i mean.. how much rear travel do you have?? is it the stock shock/spring?? i usually dont go to fast,, but how does it feel at medium to higher speeds like 20-30 mphs..i mite be looking at getting one in the future to get a more modern frame and FS......

    thanks kinglud1
    FS rules but the downside is "peddle bob". PB soaks up some of the energy you put into cranking. At higher speeds you don't even notice it but at slower speeds it can rob a little energy. For me it's worth the trade-off for comfort and ease of use.

    Travel is probably 2-3 inches but this is fine for my needs and it is adjustable at the shock. You can firm it up or slack it out depending on your preference. I usually sit on the bike to see how much it moves with just my weight on it and then adjust it firmer a bit to compensate for the added weight. This way I can keep most of the travel despite my added weight. They have upgrades to the stock version on my bike but I am going to use it until it fails and then consider an entry level upgrade. The front shocks are firm yet forgiving and can take some light to medium trail riding without any problems.

    I like the wide tires but road bike riders will tell you they slow you down because of "rolling resistance". This is true to a point but preference will win over logic in some cases. I just prefer the aggressive look, the added cushion of the larger tires and they can't be beat on sand/rocky trails.

    I don't really notice it on the street and actually got it up to 60 mph once down a large paved hill. A cop clocked me and was laughing that I hit such a high speed without the bike flying apart. I balanced the rims with small weights. Some people would say this is overkill but I wanted to see how fast I could get it going and I knew this would work wonders for speed.

    It has held together quite well despite some occasional abuse but I try not to push my luck too much. I haven't had to replace or repair anything yet, except the tires, and I am going on one year of ownership.

    The best thing about it is the support Mongoose gives you after the sale. I called them and said I needed new tires because mine were worn and before I could ask how much they said "We will send those right out to you". They arrived 2 days later, free of charge.
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    I just Bought an 08 Mongoose XR200 With Kenda Klaw Tires on it, First Initial Ride was hey this isnt a bad bike, im just getting into MTB but i think this is one awesome starter bike, as for the weight i dont think its much cause i can pick the bike up with one finger. Thats plenty light for me! Either way just wanted to let you know your not the only one that really likes this bike!!!!!! im very pleased with it

    (it does need a little TLC though, the previous owner didn't not take care of it or ride it for that matter the derailer is a little off and the brakes are a little sticky but im taking it in to my local bike shop for regular maintenance and they said they could fix all that)

    Other than that the bike rides great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MongooseWorksForMe
    I just Bought an 08 Mongoose XR200 With Kenda Klaw Tires on it, First Initial Ride was hey this isnt a bad bike, im just getting into MTB but i think this is one awesome starter bike, as for the weight i dont think its much cause i can pick the bike up with one finger. Thats plenty light for me! Either way just wanted to let you know your not the only one that really likes this bike!!!!!! im very pleased with it

    (it does need a little TLC though, the previous owner didn't not take care of it or ride it for that matter the derailer is a little off and the brakes are a little sticky but im taking it in to my local bike shop for regular maintenance and they said they could fix all that)

    Other than that the bike rides great!

    Rock on! Glad you like the bike. I thought it was unusually rugged and a great deal even for a mart bike. Tuning is easy and can be done in a matter of minutes so if you want to save some money get a set of metric allen wrenches and hit me up for the tuning procedure. Anyone can do it and the wrenches are cheaper than the whole tune up at a local bike shop.
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    4 weeks ago I took Highdelll's advice. I ditched the Mongoose XR 200. I bought a bike at a "LBS". And for a little over 450.00, I got a FUJI NEVADA 1.0.

    As Highdelll stated:

    It has a rugged fork with 80MM of travel, and a hydraulic lockout.
    Has a decent derailer, front and rear that shifts smoothly with rapid fire shifters(No grip shifters here)
    Has smooth, rugged pedals
    Fits me well with a 19" Frame size(I was actually fitted for the bike)
    Weighs in at 32# not the lightest but a huge difference from the XR 200's 42#
    All Aluminum
    And didnt cost me 1000.00. With the bike, new LS lock on grips, MTB/road pedals,LS Carbon leather chainstay I am still under 800.00.

    I still like the looks of the XR 200 but to have a non Wal-Mart bike feels more reassuring, lighter, and smoother riding. I can even hit some hard trails with confidence that this bike wont injure me in a non casual atmosphere!

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    Congrats on the buy, sounds like you found your way into something that can take a little more abuse than the Walmart bike.

    While you lose "full suspension", you can rest easy in knowing that the "full suspension" bike you had wouldn't hold up to the riding where full suspension bikes are necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAJAMES35
    4 weeks ago I took Highdelll's advice. I ditched the Mongoose XR 200. I bought a bike at a "LBS". And for a little over 450.00, I got a FUJI NEVADA 1.0.

    As Highdelll stated:

    It has a rugged fork with 80MM of travel, and a hydraulic lockout.
    Has a decent derailer, front and rear that shifts smoothly with rapid fire shifters(No grip shifters here)
    Has smooth, rugged pedals
    Fits me well with a 19" Frame size(I was actually fitted for the bike)
    Weighs in at 32# not the lightest but a huge difference from the XR 200's 42#
    All Aluminum
    And didnt cost me 1000.00. With the bike, new LS lock on grips, MTB/road pedals,LS Carbon leather chainstay I am still under 800.00.

    I still like the looks of the XR 200 but to have a non Wal-Mart bike feels more reassuring, lighter, and smoother riding. I can even hit some hard trails with confidence that this bike wont injure me in a non casual atmosphere!
    Wow you got "taken for a ride", as it were. You could have purchased a full suspension bike with 100 mm of front and rear travel, front and rear disc brakes, a better derailuer and trigger shifters for less than $500.00 that would have been much more comfortable and safer than the hits your body will take on a hardtail bike. Not to mention the support and replacement parts. Also, the XR200 is 34 pounds after you unpack it. 42 pounds is the shipping weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Congrats on the buy, sounds like you found your way into something that can take a little more abuse than the Walmart bike.

    While you lose "full suspension", you can rest easy in knowing that the "full suspension" bike you had wouldn't hold up to the riding where full suspension bikes are necessary.
    Are you just going by what the herd says(sad)or do you have actual proof that the XR200 can't take abuse?
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    Can't speak for the XR200, but I have a friend who's trashed a few XR75s and XR250s. Fine for scooting around town, but not so much on any light trailing after a bit of time.

    The components are cheap, get over it. I've got a Walmart bike too, just wanted to make sure I'd ride regularly before ponying up for something better. After one look at Pacific's version of full suspension, I was atleast smart enough to stick with a hardtail for far less failure points(and yet still extremely low end components).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Can't speak for the XR200, but I have a friend who's trashed a few XR75s and XR250s. Fine for scooting around town, but not so much on any light trailing after a bit of time.

    The components are cheap, get over it. I've got a Walmart bike too, just wanted to make sure I'd ride regularly before ponying up for something better. After one look at Pacific's version of full suspension, I was atleast smart enough to stick with a hardtail for far less failure points(and yet still extremely low end components).
    MMMMK..this isn't about XR250 or the XR75. I happen to know somebody that has an XR 250 and loves it but, like I said, this thread isn't about those bikes. I do appreciate you being honest about your lack of experience with the XR200 though. That was the honorable thing to do. Most just complain about a bike they have no experience whatsoever with. It's kind of like me telling you to stop driving a VW and get a Porsche. Even though I don't have a VW and have no clue that it is a great value and dependable vehicle.
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    Car analogies rarely ever equate to other hobbies... but if you insist. Sure, a VW will get you down the road just fine. If you want to race Le Mans, you'll want that Porsche.

    The components are similar between the XR200 and the XR250s, I can't imagine the build of the frame being any better(scary if its any worse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Car analogies rarely ever equate to other hobbies... but if you insist. Sure, a VW will get you down the road just fine. If you want to race Le Mans, you'll want that Porsche.

    The components are similar between the XR200 and the XR250s, I can't imagine the build of the frame being any better(scary if its any worse).
    I didn't have any problems with the XR200. It even retained a lot of its value when I sold it to offset the cost of my new bike. As far as the components go, again, I had no problems with them. The people that are complaining either have not tested the bike, simply agree with the herd or have no experience tuning one. For me that just isn't a fair assessment of the product.

    I have said it before, abuse anything enough and it will break regardless of cost or quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    ... The people that are complaining either have not tested the bike, simply agree with the herd or have no experience tuning one. For me that just isn't a fair assessment of the product...
    *cough* bullsh!t *cough*
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    *cough* bullsh!t *cough*
    MP=2
    HD=0 no case study, no proof.
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    Your version of trail riding might vary greatly to whats typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Your version of trail riding might vary greatly to whats typical.
    Anybody ever try the XR200? Anybody? I only want to hear from actual owners of this model because otherwise you have no case. What part of that are you missing? I just don't understand how you can make a fair assessment about a product you have never tried or tested.
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    We don't need to try out your exact model to tell how it will ride and perform, the same we we don't need to eat rancid meat to know it's not good.

    Like SuPrBuGmAn said, you idea of trail riding probably varies from what is typical because the bikes you've posted up run out of performance very fast on a off road trail.

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    Discerning riders can look at at a bike and tell if it's junk.

    Besides that, I responded to you in another thread that I have had a 'mongoose' that my loving (but misguided) parents bought me after my bike was stolen years ago.
    I have also worked on,/ tuned and test drove numerous 'mongeese' and next, and magnas.

    SO, I HAVE TRIED AND TESTED!!!

    I AM VALID

    SOMEBODY LOVE ME!!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    SOMEBODY LOVE ME!!
    I love you man.

    But only in that cute-puppy-who-just-pooped-on-the-rug kinda way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    We don't need to try out your exact model to tell how it will ride and perform, the same we we don't need to eat rancid meat to know it's not good.

    Like SuPrBuGmAn said, you idea of trail riding probably varies from what is typical because the bikes you've posted up run out of performance very fast on a off road trail.
    Did you just compare my bike to rancid meat? Odd, it doesn't smell at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    @MP:
    Discerning riders can look at at a bike and tell if it's junk.

    Besides that, I responded to you in another thread that I have had a 'mongoose' that my loving (but misguided) parents bought me after my bike was stolen years ago.
    I have also worked on,/ tuned and test drove numerous 'mongeese' and next, and magnas.

    SO, I HAVE TRIED AND TESTED!!!

    I AM VALID

    SOMEBODY LOVE ME!!
    Project much?
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    I just purchased two slightly-above-dept-store bikes, a Motobecane 700DS from craigslist and a used Novara Bonanza from a LBS - and in doing so introduced myself to the world of bicycle enthusiasts.

    If there is one thing I have learned from these enthusiasts, the problem with every bike in the world is that it didn't cost enough money. Your bike? Didn't cost enough. Whatever it is. It could be the latest orgasm-on-wheels from Kona with every brand name upgrade possible slapped to it and half the people you show it to will look down their noses and tell you that there isn't enough money holding it together and it will fall apart the very second you skydive out of a helicopter over a live volcano and ride the lava flow down past a phalanx of marauders into the depths of hades itself, which is what they and apparently every bicycle rider on the planet other than you does every single time they ride and that is why they need a bicycle made entirely out of money to handle those stresses.

    Well, I'm apparently the only person on the planet who managed to neglect and abuse an old diamondback sorrento for 13 years (i'm talking zero maintenance, haven't even adjusted the derailleurs... just replaced brakes and tires a couple times) without any dangerous explosions happening, and my GF has been riding around on a $120 walmart bike for four years with me, all over South Mountain municipal park and all over town in Phoenix... we actually do get out and ride, not as much as some but I'd say 50 days per year at least plus commuting when the weather permits.

    So rock on, the XR200 is probably a pretty pimp $200 bike, for the kind of person who is looking for a $200 bike. Anyone looking for a $3k bike really is wasting their time braying about how cheap bikes are cheap.... carrying on with the car analogies it takes a real weenie to pull up next to a Hyundai in his Benz and laugh... what's that prove exactly?

    Anyway all this goes to say that while the general bicycle enthusiast community here and elsewhere seems a helpful and friendly group overall, the elitism that some people exude is off-putting to a newbie and really seems tired and unnecessary. They're bikes, we ride them, it's good. Nuff said, flame on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    I just purchased two slightly-above-dept-store bikes, a Motobecane 700DS from craigslist and a used Novara Bonanza from a LBS - and in doing so introduced myself to the world of bicycle enthusiasts.

    If there is one thing I have learned from these enthusiasts, the problem with every bike in the world is that it didn't cost enough money. Your bike? Didn't cost enough. Whatever it is. It could be the latest orgasm-on-wheels from Kona with every brand name upgrade possible slapped to it and half the people you show it to will look down their noses and tell you that there isn't enough money holding it together and it will fall apart the very second you skydive out of a helicopter over a live volcano and ride the lava flow down past a phalanx of marauders into the depths of hades itself, which is what they and apparently every bicycle rider on the planet other than you does every single time they ride and that is why they need a bicycle made entirely out of money to handle those stresses.

    Well, I'm apparently the only person on the planet who managed to neglect and abuse an old diamondback sorrento for 13 years (i'm talking zero maintenance, haven't even adjusted the derailleurs... just replaced brakes and tires a couple times) without any dangerous explosions happening, and my GF has been riding around on a $120 walmart bike for four years with me, all over South Mountain municipal park and all over town in Phoenix... we actually do get out and ride, not as much as some but I'd say 50 days per year at least plus commuting when the weather permits.

    So rock on, the XR200 is probably a pretty pimp $200 bike, for the kind of person who is looking for a $200 bike. Anyone looking for a $3k bike really is wasting their time braying about how cheap bikes are cheap.... carrying on with the car analogies it takes a real weenie to pull up next to a Hyundai in his Benz and laugh... what's that prove exactly?

    Anyway all this goes to say that while the general bicycle enthusiast community here and elsewhere seems a helpful and friendly group overall, the elitism that some people exude is off-putting to a newbie and really seems tired and unnecessary. They're bikes, we ride them, it's good. Nuff said, flame on.
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    What both you, Mongoose Pilot, and apanthropy seem to be missing is we're down on cheap bikes, we're down on low quality cheap bikes. There's a big difference there. apanthropy's Novara Bonanza is actually a decent, inexpensive bike.

    Think about it this way, as more features are added to a bike either the cost has to go up, or the quality has to go down. When you're looking at a low price point, it's a mistake to go with full suspension since it drags the quality of everything, including the frame and rear suspension, down to a level which severely limits the off road terrain it can safely ride on. At this price point buying a hardtail will net a lighter, more durable, better performing bike, and better fitting bike; one which is more likely to keep the new rider involved in the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    What both you, Mongoose Pilot, and apanthropy seem to be missing is we're down on cheap bikes, we're down on low quality cheap bikes. There's a big difference there. apanthropy's Novara Bonanza is actually a decent, inexpensive bike.

    Think about it this way, as more features are added to a bike either the cost has to go up, or the quality has to go down. When you're looking at a low price point, it's a mistake to go with full suspension since it drags the quality of everything, including the frame and rear suspension, down to a level which severely limits the off road terrain it can safely ride on. At this price point buying a hardtail will net a lighter, more durable, better performing bike, and better fitting bike; one which is more likely to keep the new rider involved in the sport.
    You make a great point and your post is quite thoughtful. I think Hard-tails are great and I just sold a Mongoose Masher that was an awesome bike and a great value to myself and the person that bought it. What you seem to be missing is that some people prefer FS and don't want to spend a lot to get one. The XR200 is a great value. I rode mine for quite a while with no discernible problems. Everything functioned properly and it gave me great service. Why is that such an issue for you? I'm just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    What both you, Mongoose Pilot, and apanthropy seem to be missing is we're down on cheap bikes, we're down on low quality cheap bikes. There's a big difference there. apanthropy's Novara Bonanza is actually a decent, inexpensive bike.
    Werd, but the street price of a brand new XR 200 is $189 and the street price of a brand new Bonanza is $489 so it's hardly a comparison at all... You could buy an XR 200 for yourself, another one for your spouse, and have enough money left over for a third 'mart bike for the cost of one new Bonanza.

    Think about it this way, as more features are added to a bike either the cost has to go up, or the quality has to go down. When you're looking at a low price point, it's a mistake to go with full suspension since it drags the quality of everything, including the frame and rear suspension, down to a level which severely limits the off road terrain it can safely ride on. At this price point buying a hardtail will net a lighter, more durable, better performing bike, and better fitting bike; one which is more likely to keep the new rider involved in the sport.
    I appreciate what you're saying here, but let's not confuse fact with speculation. It's a fact (if we are to assume frankness in his posts) that MGP has received reliable service from his actual XR 200 bicycle. It is speculation from the enthusiast community that this bicycle is not durable. It is a fact that my DB Sorrento has been heroically durable, it was speculation from an enthusiast friend who advised me not to buy a DB Recoil earlier this week that "Diamondbacks are still department store crap, it won't last". I put more stake in fact than in speculation, if a normal rider can receive long service from a product, that product is durable, that is the definition of the word.

    If the barrier for entry into the sport of cycling is $400+ (we're talking new @ retail since the used market has too many variables to consider for discussion) there won't be many new riders involved in the sport either.

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    I'd said this before, I really want to see what kind of trails you're riding.

    Once you venture off road, a higher quality hardtail quickly becomes faster and more comfortable than a low quality dual suspension. If you're an experienced rider, you're generally going to be buying a higher quality hardtail at this price point, and if you're a beginner, you don't really know enough to know what you need, and should be buying a higher quality hardtail for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. There might be a very small subset of people who are both experienced and want a dual suspension bike at this price point, and I have personally never met one.

    Just as you're allowed to express your opinion on the internet, so am I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    Werd, but the street price of a brand new XR 200 is $189 and the street price of a brand new Bonanza is $489 so it's hardly a comparison at all... You could buy an XR 200 for yourself, another one for your spouse, and have enough money left over for a third 'mart bike for the cost of one new Bonanza.
    You get what you pay for. I hate using a cliche, but it's true. Maybe if price were the only measure of a bike, what you said would be relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    I appreciate what you're saying here, but let's not confuse fact with speculation. It's a fact (if we are to assume frankness in his posts) that MGP has received reliable service from his actual XR 200 bicycle. It is speculation from the enthusiast community that this bicycle is not durable.
    It's not speculation, it's fact born out by personal experience, by myself and many other riders.

    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    It is a fact that my DB Sorrento has been heroically durable, it was speculation from an enthusiast friend who advised me not to buy a DB Recoil earlier this week that "Diamondbacks are still department store crap, it won't last". I put more stake in fact than in speculation
    I've never heard anyone call Diamonback department store crap. They've always made a quality bicycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    if a normal rider can receive long service from a product, that product is durable, that is the definition of the word.
    What are you defining as a normal rider? Once these bikes are exposed to proper mountain bike trails, the terrain they're ostensibly designed for, they quickly begin to have issues. Again, this is born from experience. If you're just pedaling around bike paths and gravel roads, then sure, they can last a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    If the barrier for entry into the sport of cycling is $400+ (we're talking new @ retail since the used market has too many variables to consider for discussion) there won't be many new riders involved in the sport either.
    An entry level hardtail has always been around $400, and the sport has been growing just fine, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    You get what you pay for. I hate using a cliche, but it's true. Maybe if price were the only measure of a bike, what you said would be relevant.
    Indeed. True but you're missing the other side of this equation.

    My 33 year old sister could buy a $189 XR 200 tomorrow and own a bike she loves that doesn't ever fail her for the rest of her natural life. Because she doesn't parachute out of helicopters onto live volcanos and careen off of cliffs into valleys full of velociraptors. She goes to Denise's house down the street but like so many insecure suburbanites out there she "needs" a big SUV to get to the grocery store 1/2 paved mile away and she "needs" the most expensive all terrain bicycle she can find anywhere (seriously, anywhere! she tried k mart, target, even super target!)*

    How much money would it cost you for enough bike to be satisfied for the rest of your life?







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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    I'd said this before, I really want to see what kind of trails you're riding.

    Once you venture off road, a higher quality hardtail quickly becomes faster and more comfortable than a low quality dual suspension. If you're an experienced rider, you're generally going to be buying a higher quality hardtail at this price point, and if you're a beginner, you don't really know enough to know what you need, and should be buying a higher quality hardtail for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. There might be a very small subset of people who are both experienced and want a dual suspension bike at this price point, and I have personally never met one.

    Just as you're allowed to express your opinion on the internet, so am I.
    Seams like a reasonable request to me. I will take some pics next time I am out. I am already working on some video of my bike on the trails just to prove the point that the DH is rugged enough for my style of riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic

    Just as you're allowed to express your opinion on the internet, so am I.
    Relax, guy... lotta defensiveness going on here when nobody's attacking you. What's going on here is MGP is saying this cheap bike is pretty good for a cheap bike and i'm saying i believe him 'cause cheap bikes work pretty well for a lot of people who just ride around and don't engage in battle with ninja yaks while riding their bikes down the himalayas during a blizzard.

    So anyway if you don't think cheap bikes are any good, that's cool. I guess you work your bikes harder than the rest of us, rock on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    Relax, guy... lotta defensiveness going on here when nobody's attacking you. What's going on here is MGP is saying this cheap bike is pretty good for a cheap bike and i'm saying i believe him 'cause cheap bikes work pretty well for a lot of people who just ride around and don't engage in battle with ninja yaks while riding their bikes down the himalayas during a blizzard.

    So anyway if you don't think cheap bikes are any good, that's cool. I guess you work your bikes harder than the rest of us, rock on.
    I would prefer "inexpensive" to "cheap" but yeah, you made up for it with "ninja yaks". I don't think anyone on this forum understands how dangerous they really are despite the price one has paid for thier bike and any defense training they might have had while riding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    My 33 year old sister could buy a $189 XR 200 tomorrow and own a bike she loves that doesn't ever fail her for the rest of her natural life. Because she doesn't parachute out of helicopters onto live volcanos and careen off of cliffs into valleys full of velociraptors. She goes to Denise's house down the street but like so many insecure suburbanites out there she "needs" a big SUV to get to the grocery store 1/2 paved mile away and she "needs" the most expensive all terrain bicycle she can find anywhere (seriously, anywhere! she tried k mart, target, even super target!)*
    Under those conditions, sure, it'll last a very long time. But please realize you're at an enthusiast site, and our bikes are used as mountain bikes and aren't ridden around town. Please don't take this personally, but your sister is outside the demographic we care about. I feel it's disingenuous to come on here, touting how good the XR200 is, when the rider who's actually using it, isn't even using it as a mountain bike!

    There's also the fact that you don't need full suspension riding around town, and it's simply adding cost, weight, and complication. I'd argue a hradtail is best suited for around town work. Really, I'd say a hybrid would be ideal, but I don't see those at Walmart. This, I feel, is a huge failing on their part.

    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    How much money would it cost you for enough bike to be satisfied for the rest of your life?
    What, you're going to limit me to one bike? Variety is the spice of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    Relax, guy... lotta defensiveness going on here when nobody's attacking you. What's going on here is MGP is saying this cheap bike is pretty good for a cheap bike and i'm saying i believe him 'cause cheap bikes work pretty well for a lot of people who just ride around and don't engage in battle with ninja yaks while riding their bikes down the himalayas during a blizzard.
    I guess you forgot that Mongoose Pilot asked me why I cared?

    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    So anyway if you don't think cheap bikes are any good, that's cool. I guess you work your bikes harder than the rest of us, rock on.
    I think pretty much all the people on here work their bikes harder, which is why we have a very well developed opinion of Walmart bikes. Again, please take a look at the site you're posting on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    I think pretty much all the people on here work their bikes harder, .
    Hell yeah! Since everyone here rides like they're in a Jackie Chan action sequence every day, I definitely don't recommend the XR-200 to them. When Chuck Norris and that Danny Trejo dude are chasing you across downtown San Francisco on dirt bikes and you have to fend them off while carrying a helpless, screaming princess on your handlebars and some priceless artifact in your pannier you need a pretty badass bike and nothing from Walmart will hold up to that sort of riding.

    But for all the everyday normal people whose enemies aren't The Triads or an evil cyborg from the future, and who might come to this website hoping not to be scared away because they're just not cool enough yet.. there are worse walmart bikes you could buy. We all start somewhere and for some of us starting at $400 isn't in the cards at all. If you can barely afford $200 to begin with, and this "your cheap bike sucks" attitude is precisely what scares you out of bike shops ... well your options are basically this bike or a worse bike, period. Because your local mart store simply isn't going to have a better bike for that price, or a much better bike anyway.

    For everyone else, if you already know this bike isn't for you... well, you already know that, cool you learned from experience that your style of riding demands better equipment - I understand that completely and definitely respect it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    isn't even using it as a mountain bike!
    Who said that?
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    Who said that?
    apanthropy about his sister only riding it across town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    But for all the everyday normal people whose enemies aren't The Triads or an evil cyborg from the future, and who might come to this website hoping not to be scared away because they're just not cool enough yet.. there are worse walmart bikes you could buy. We all start somewhere and for some of us starting at $400 isn't in the cards at all. If you can barely afford $200 to begin with, and this "your cheap bike sucks" attitude is precisely what scares you out of bike shops ... well your options are basically this bike or a worse bike, period. Because your local mart store simply isn't going to have a better bike for that price, or a much better bike anyway.
    I'll try saying this yet again, in an easier to follow format:

    -These inexpensive Walmart bikes run out of performance very quickly on even easy off road trails at moderate speeds.

    -They do not last very long ridden on even easy off road trails at moderate speeds.

    -This is a mountain bike site, so yes, we talk about bikes being ridden off road.

    -When you only have $200 to spend, a new full suspension bike is the wrong thing to buy.

    We're already going around in circles, so you'all just have fun without me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    I'll try saying this yet again, in an easier to follow format:

    -These inexpensive Walmart bikes run out of performance very quickly on even easy off road trails at moderate speeds.

    -They do not last very long ridden on even easy off road trails at moderate speeds.

    -This is a mountain bike site, so yes, we talk about bikes being ridden off road.

    -When you only have $200 to spend, a new full suspension bike is the wrong thing to buy.

    We're already going around in circles, so you'all just have fun without me.
    I disagree because you are making a general statement about all Walmart bikes. The XR200 might not be the end all be all bike but it is better equipped as an FS bike than the lower priced bikes Walmart sells. Yes, I will admit that some brands Walmart carries are less than desirable. Anyone could do better, but as an entry level bike that performs and saves you money for other gear(helmet, gloves, water bottle etc)you just can't find a deal like that at an LBS. I stand behind my statement that it is a great deal and very rugged for the price range it is in. I took it off-road without any problems. I did not take it off of 25 foot bombing runs but very few people do unless they are sponsored(Mongoose, parents, killer job etc)and/or professional riders. I don't think everyone on this site is a professional/sponsored rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I disagree because you are making a general statement about all Walmart bikes. The XR200 might not be the end all be all bike but it is better equipped as an FS bike than the lower priced bikes Walmart sells. Yes, I will admit that some brands Walmart carries are less than desirable. Anyone could do better, but as an entry level bike that performs and saves you money for other gear(helmet, gloves, water bottle etc)you just can't find a deal like that at an LBS. I stand behind my statement that it is a great deal and very rugged for the price range it is in. I took it off-road without any problems. I did not take it off of 25 foot bombing runs but very few people do unless they are sponsored(Mongoose, parents, killer job etc)and/or professional riders. I don't think everyone on this site is a professional/sponsored rider.

    Dont you think it could be a bit dangerous recomending this bike when you said this?

    "As far as the welds go on the XR I looked at several until I found one that was acceptable. Sometimes you get lucky and run into a factory worker that has some pride and it shows in their work."

    Im sure some people satrting out riding dont really know what a good weld looks like...

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    Dont you think it could be a bit dangerous recomending this bike...

    Im sure some people satrting out riding dont really know what a good weld looks like...
    OK, I admit that I am a noob here... I grew up working class, Parents drove Pintos, I always had mart bikes, my friends always had mart bikes. We always rode them as hard as kids ride bikes, generally crashing them into things, throwing them into pickups, riding them down embankments and finding all sorts of silly ways to make blood come out of our bodies from various places... as my friends drifted into owning cars and having careers and working on their beer guts, they stopped riding so much, I kept riding on weekends and around the various trails in town. But I've never been a "bike guy". The closest I come to "bike guys" is when we pass each other on local paved paths or rocky bike trails. I ride all over South Mountain, in Phoenix, every bike path there is out there and I have a good time doing it and am happy riding my bicycle.

    I have never with my eyes seen a cracked bicycle frame. Or been chased by a cyborg from the future.

    Am I riding wrong? Are there secret trails with neat land mines and marauding grim reaper robots with laser-guided scythes and rocket launchers that I'm missing out on? I bet those trails are awesome!!

    Because none of the trails I've ever seen have the frame exploding obstacles on them that apparently everyone else gets to experience, and I've never broken a frame. I guess I just suck at riding

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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    OK, I admit that I am a noob here... I grew up working class, Parents drove Pintos, I always had mart bikes, my friends always had mart bikes. We always rode them as hard as kids ride bikes, generally crashing them into things, throwing them into pickups, riding them down embankments and finding all sorts of silly ways to make blood come out of our bodies from various places... as my friends drifted into owning cars and having careers and working on their beer guts, they stopped riding so much, I kept riding on weekends and around the various trails in town. But I've never been a "bike guy". The closest I come to "bike guys" is when we pass each other on local paved paths or rocky bike trails. I ride all over South Mountain, in Phoenix, every bike path there is out there and I have a good time doing it and am happy riding my bicycle.

    I have never with my eyes seen a cracked bicycle frame. Or been chased by a cyborg from the future.

    Am I riding wrong? Are there secret trails with neat land mines and marauding grim reaper robots with laser-guided scythes and rocket launchers that I'm missing out on? I bet those trails are awesome!!

    Because none of the trails I've ever seen have the frame exploding obstacles on them that apparently everyone else gets to experience, and I've never broken a frame. I guess I just suck at riding
    I have seen broken frames that cost 3k+
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    Quote Originally Posted by apanthropy
    OK, I admit that I am a noob here... I grew up working class, Parents drove Pintos, I always had mart bikes, my friends always had mart bikes. We always rode them as hard as kids ride bikes, generally crashing them into things, throwing them into pickups, riding them down embankments and finding all sorts of silly ways to make blood come out of our bodies from various places... as my friends drifted into owning cars and having careers and working on their beer guts, they stopped riding so much, I kept riding on weekends and around the various trails in town. But I've never been a "bike guy". The closest I come to "bike guys" is when we pass each other on local paved paths or rocky bike trails. I ride all over South Mountain, in Phoenix, every bike path there is out there and I have a good time doing it and am happy riding my bicycle.

    I have never with my eyes seen a cracked bicycle frame. Or been chased by a cyborg from the future.

    Am I riding wrong? Are there secret trails with neat land mines and marauding grim reaper robots with laser-guided scythes and rocket launchers that I'm missing out on? I bet those trails are awesome!!

    Because none of the trails I've ever seen have the frame exploding obstacles on them that apparently everyone else gets to experience, and I've never broken a frame. I guess I just suck at riding

    All kind of irrelevant, all Iím saying is that it doesnít sound quite right for some one to recommend a bike and then say he had to go through a few boxes at the shop to find one with good welds.

    For what its worth I started out with a kona blast from a LBS, 6 months later when the hanger breaks I go back and there is a sign on the door saying the lease is expired and we will open again soon.... now there isnít even a connected phone.... so much for the great after sales support of the almighty LBS

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheesy
    All kind of irrelevant, all I’m saying is that it doesn’t sound quite right for some one to recommend a bike and then say he had to go through a few boxes at the shop to find one with good welds.

    For what its worth I started out with a kona blast from a LBS, 6 months later when the hanger breaks I go back and there is a sign on the door saying the lease is expired and we will open again soon.... now there isn’t even a connected phone.... so much for the great after sales support of the almighty LBS
    Kona is an awesome make. Sorry to hear that the shop went under. It is probably because a Walmart opened near by. What the hell am I saying?? Oh the boxes. Ya that was because Walmart doesn't hire people that are trained in assembly and sometimes they take a bike back and just shove it back on the rack with bent axels/rims/cranks. The bike was fine before it hit Walmart. I like Mongoose and they make a good product, it's the retailer I am not completely fond of. In Walmarts defense though they do have an excellent return policy and I don't expect them to close any time soon.
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    I owned that exact same bike... the XR200... and had nothing but problems. I wasn't even riding it on trails. I had the LBS tune it up. It shifted and braked better, but it was still falling apart. I finally gave up when the pedal fell off, and got my Cannondale the same day.

    You get what you pay for. Truer words were never spoken.

    I'm not bashing Mongoose at all. Not the real Mongoose anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazada
    I owned that exact same bike... the XR200... and had nothing but problems. I wasn't even riding it on trails. I had the LBS tune it up. It shifted and braked better, but it was still falling apart. I finally gave up when the pedal fell off, and got my Cannondale the same day.

    You get what you pay for. Truer words were never spoken.

    I'm not bashing Mongoose at all. Not the real Mongoose anyway.
    Sounds like a loose screw between the seat and the handlebars.
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    Sounds like a loose screw between the seat and the handlebars.
    No... I think it was a nut... probably the same one that was supposed to hold the pedal on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazada
    No... I think it was a nut... probably the same one that was supposed to hold the pedal on.
    When it came off what exactly were you doing? Also, did it strip out the threads or was it already backed out enough to fall off or did the carbon steel bolt just snap?
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