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    Frame: 4-Bar alloy dual-suspension hydro-form
    Rear Shock: Coil spring, adjustable
    Fork: Rock Shox Dart1 suspension fork, 100mm
    Shifters: 24-speed SRAM SX4 Trigger Shifter system
    Stem: 31.8 Ahead Stem
    Handlebars: Carbon wrap Fat Bars, 31.8
    Crank Set: Suntour XR 24/34/43
    Front Derailleur: Suntour
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM SX4
    Brakes: ProMax mechanical dual disc
    Wheels: 26" Star "Speed" disc rims with camo, 32H
    Tires: Mongoose DH 26" x 2.35"
    Pedals: Mongoose Alloy platform
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    98% of downhill bike/ freeride bikes have over 4'' of front & rear travel, hydraulic disk brakes, and a few other noticeable items . i dont think that is a true 4bar link rear suspension either. are you looking at getting in to DH / free ride? if inexperienced, then yes, i would suggest getting it as a starter bike. when your skills increase the need for more travel, a stronger frame and parts will for sure come in to play. i personally cant justify telling someone who is interested in getting in to dh or fr to get a 3000$ bike just to find out you dont like the style of biking then have to look at a 3k paper weight in the garage. start small and work your way up. as far as TeamDH goes... looks like something i would find at walmart ( not that there is anything wrong with that) but i would bring it to an actual bike shop to go completely through it as the 16 yearold at walmart just put the wheels on and put it on the show room floor. Team DH looks more like an all mountain trail bike, not really designed to take the abuse of DH or FR
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8
    98% of downhill bike/ freeride bikes have over 4'' of front & rear travel, hydraulic disk brakes, and a few other noticeable items . i dont think that is a true 4bar link rear suspension either. are you looking at getting in to DH / free ride? if inexperienced, then yes, i would suggest getting it as a starter bike. when your skills increase the need for more travel, a stronger frame and parts will for sure come in to play. i personally cant justify telling someone who is interested in getting in to dh or fr to get a 3000$ bike just to find out you dont like the style of biking then have to look at a 3k paper weight in the garage. start small and work your way up. as far as TeamDH goes... looks like something i would find at walmart ( not that there is anything wrong with that) but i would bring it to an actual bike shop to go completely through it as the 16 yearold at walmart just put the wheels on and put it on the show room floor. Team DH looks more like an all mountain trail bike, not really designed to take the abuse of DH or FR
    Thanks, that was good information that I can use.
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    Looks strikingly similar to the Mongoose Pro Wing Series, from 2002 - 2006. Those were not Walmart bikes, but at the same time were not necessarily high end. I still have one, frame is heavy, but strong. The parts spect was not to good. I had a bunch of stuff laying around, Hydros, Fox Float, Manitou Minute 1 05' fork, Alivio Shifters and Deore derailleurs. Now it's a pretty worthy bike. Would not buy it then expect to put that much into it though ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    Looks strikingly similar to the Mongoose Pro Wing Series, from 2002 - 2006. Those were not Walmart bikes, but at the same time were not necessarily high end. I still have one, frame is heavy, but strong. The parts spect was not to good. I had a bunch of stuff laying around, Hydros, Fox Float, Manitou Minute 1 05' fork, Alivio Shifters and Deore derailleurs. Now it's a pretty worthy bike. Would not buy it then expect to put that much into it though ...
    Got any pics of your finished build?
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    Here is a picture. It had a Manitou Black on it then, but now has a Manitou Minute.'

    <a href="http://s982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/?action=view&current=Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Wing"></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    Here is a picture. It had a Manitou Black on it then, but now has a Manitou Minute.'

    <a href="http://s982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/?action=view&current=Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Wing"></a>
    Looks very similar to the one above. Was this a hydro formed frame as well? I can tell some small changes are there between yours and the DH.
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    Hydroforming uses fluid to work the mold instead of just pressure. The frame is very similar. Mongoose Pro (those only sold at an LBS and exist on the Mongoose website) such as the Wing series have more name brand parts. The bike you listed has a few, list the the rear derailleur, but then the really cheap parts like Promax discs, those are really the bottom of the bottom. The dart 1 is the absolute lowest Rockshox for made.

    Lastly, the Wing series was retired in 06 and was replaced by the Otero line. I like the look of the wing, but it's getting old in technology. I really is 04 or so in tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    Hydroforming uses fluid to work the mold instead of just pressure. The frame is very similar. Mongoose Pro (those only sold at an LBS and exist on the Mongoose website) such as the Wing series have more name brand parts. The bike you listed has a few, list the the rear derailleur, but then the really cheap parts like Promax discs, those are really the bottom of the bottom. The dart 1 is the absolute lowest Rockshox for made.

    Lastly, the Wing series was retired in 06 and was replaced by the Otero line. I like the look of the wing, but it's getting old in technology. I really is 04 or so in tech.

    So, it wasn't hydro formed?
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    I really don't know. I'm not sure it really maters how the tubes are formed. It's not a very high end bike. I may have an old schreen shot from a web page on mongoose.com.

    Are you planning to bu the Team DH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    I really don't know. I'm not sure it really maters how the tubes are formed. It's not a very high end bike. I may have an old schreen shot from a web page on mongoose.com.

    Are you planning to bu the Team DH?
    Well, it does matter actually. Hydro-forming produces a much stronger shape because the aluminium retains the same thickness, even on corners and edges. Pressing or stamping the form can weaken edges and corners by thinning the material or bending it beyond its limits, causing weak spots.

    I did pull the trigger on this one and so far I am very happy with it. It is lighter and stronger than my last bike and has some really cool features and upgrades.

    Here is the one I purchased, pre-tuning:


    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam1.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam2.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam1.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam7.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    If you can see the difference in the downtube and the re-enforcements on the top tube, you can tell that there are distinct changes in the frame. I can tell the idea might have come from the design of the bike you have but they definately made some vast improvements when they designed this one including the hydro-form tecnology and heat treated aluminium.
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    Don't get caught up by if it's hydroformed or not; you're focusing on one little detail and missing the big picture. The design and build quality of the frame is much, much more important than if a tube is hydroformed or not.

    The big question is, what kind of riding are you looking to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    Don't get caught up by if it's hydroformed or not; you're focusing on one little detail and missing the big picture. The design and build quality of the frame is much, much more important than if a tube is hydroformed or not.

    The big question is, what kind of riding are you looking to do?
    I disagree, the big picture is the frame, for it is the core and the heart of the whole system, and the design is one of the most rugged I have seen. The blue bike pictured above doesn't have the strength or thickness the silver one does at the head set or at other key points of stress on the frame. The basic shape is there but if you compare the two side by side you can see distinct differences.

    Hydro-forming does make a big difference, as I stated earlier, at key points such as curves and corners of the material used. Not only is the silver frame Hydro-formed it is also heat treated and hardened after the fact. This makes for the lightest and strongest forms possible with aluminium and it is apparent in the "flick-ability" of the bike at speed or on technical trails.

    As for the big question I will ask: How skilled is the rider?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I disagree, the big picture is the frame, for it is the core and the heart of the whole system, and the design is one of the most rugged I have seen. The blue bike pictured above doesn't have the strength or thickness the silver one does at the head set or at other key points of stress on the frame. The basic shape is there but if you compare the two side by side you can see distinct differences.

    Hydro-forming does make a big difference, as I stated earlier, at key points such as curves and corners of the material used. Not only is the silver frame Hydro-formed it is also heat treated and hardened after the fact. This makes for the lightest and strongest forms possible with aluminium and it is apparent in the "flick-ability" of the bike at speed or on technical trails.

    As for the big question I will ask: How skilled is the rider?
    You're misunderstanding. Yes, the frame is the most important part, but you're focusing in on one aspect of the frame, when you need to be looking at it as a whole. The hydroforming isn't what makes the bike flickable, it's the geometry and the set up of the bike. This is what I'm saying, you're focusing on one part which, in the end, doesn't even have much to do with how the bike actually rides. There is a lot more in the frame than what you're, apparently, seeing.

    My question is, if you're sweating the frame so much, why buy a low end one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    You're misunderstanding. Yes, the frame is the most important part, but you're focusing in on one aspect of the frame, when you
    need to be looking at it as a whole. The hydroforming isn't what makes the bike
    flickable, it's the geometry and the set up of the bike. This is what I'm saying,
    you're focusing on one part which, in the end, doesn't even have much to do with
    how the bike actually rides. There is a lot more in the frame than what you're,
    apparently, seeing.

    My question is, if you're sweating the frame so much, why buy a low end one?
    Geometry has less to do with flickability than mass does and I don't need to do anything but pay taxes and die lol..

    RSabarese and I were comparing the similarities between the two bikes, as they are despite the basic shape, they are completely different.
    The frame and its mass, without components, has everything to do with flick-ability.
    Hydro-forming has a lot to do with flickability as well as it makes the frame strong,
    light and "flick-able". Quick response and control are everything in my style of riding.
    A steel frame of the same dimensions would have more mass and therefore would be
    less flick-able but, the mass would make for a better downhill bike.

    As far as the bike(read cost)goes it is just a step up from my last one. Before you say "save your money up and get a LBS bike" keep in mind it has been said
    a million times and I want to ride now and not later. This is just one of several
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    At a 7k price tag I would be sitting around saving for quite some time. I'm taking donations if you care to contribute lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Geometry has less to do with flickability than mass does and I don't need to do anything but pay taxes and die lol..
    I'm sorry, but that's simply wrong. Maybe you need more experience, or maybe you need to hang out in the frame building forum more, but what you said is simply incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    RSabarese and I were comparing the similarities between the two bikes, as they are despite the basic shape, they are completely different.
    The frame and its mass, without components, has everything to do with flick-ability.
    Hydro-forming has a lot to do with flickability as well as it makes the frame strong,
    light and "flick-able". Quick response and control are everything in my style of riding.
    A steel frame of the same dimensions would have more mass and therefore would be
    less flick-able but, the mass would make for a better downhill bike.
    Hydroforming has virtually nothing to do with flickability. In fact, generally a hydroformed frame will be heavier than an equivalent tubed frame, but will be stiffer and stronger (if designed well). The geometry, and in this case, the suspension design and layout are what you're feeling, and the those, along with the buildup, are what make the bike it's agility.

    What makes a downhill bike is, again, the geometry of the frame. The weight is only from making the frame strong enough for it's purpose. There are also many downhill bikes which are quite agile at speed.

    You're going to believe what you believe, but right now, either due to ignorance or inexperience, you have some pretty misguided beliefs about frames and how they do what they do, and ride like they ride. This could serve you very poorly in future purchases. Don't take my word for it though, and go talk to other people who know frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    I'm sorry, but that's simply wrong. Maybe you need more experience, or maybe you need to hang out in the frame building forum more, but what you said is simply incorrect.



    Hydroforming has virtually nothing to do with flickability. In fact, generally a hydroformed frame will be heavier than an equivalent tubed frame, but will be stiffer and stronger (if designed well). The geometry, and in this case, the suspension design and layout are what you're feeling, and the those, along with the buildup, are what make the bike it's agility.

    What makes a downhill bike is, again, the geometry of the frame. The weight is only from making the frame strong enough for it's purpose. There are also many downhill bikes which are quite agile at speed.

    You're going to believe what you believe, but right now, either due to ignorance or inexperience, you have some pretty misguided beliefs about frames and how they do what they do, and ride like they ride. This could serve you very poorly in future purchases. Don't take my word for it though, and go talk to other people who know frames.
    Ok tough guy, what do you think about the frame and the differences between the blue and silver one? Oh and thanks for calling me ignorant and inexperienced. I understand no one is allowed to be as smart or as experienced as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Ok tough guy, what do you think about the frame and the differences between the blue and silver one? Oh and thanks for calling me ignorant and inexperienced. I understand no one is allowed to be as smart or as experienced as you.
    Not a tough guy, I just call it like I see it. I also know a couple things about bikes.

    There are plenty of people who are smarter and more experienced than me. There are also a lot of people who aren't.
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    I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but Mongoose Pilot, go look at the reviews on this site of the Mongoose Wing. There one common theme amongst them, "STRONG & HEAVY". Look at the top tube gusset on your bike verse mine, yours it welded in 3 spots, mine the entire top tube has a solid welded gusset (this picture migh make it difficult to see).

    In the end, I doubt it matters that much. I'm over 220 and ride very aggressivly and I can't seem to break it. It's not my dedicated do all bike, but I did ride it at Diablo Mountain bike park and managed to go OTB. It survived without a scratch.

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    Just curious mongoose pilot, is there a sticker anywhere on your bike that says "not intended for off-road use" or something to that effect.

    And just so you know they put exactly 1 hydro-formed tube on that bike just to dupe new mountain bikers like yourself, I guarantee your bike isn't any lighter or more "flickable" because of it, with the welds like your bike has your frame looks like it could snap if ridden like the name team dh implies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but Mongoose Pilot, go look at the reviews on this site of the Mongoose Wing. There one common theme amongst them, "STRONG & HEAVY". Look at the top tube gusset on your bike verse mine, yours it welded in 3 spots, mine the entire top tube has a solid welded gusset (this picture migh make it difficult to see).

    In the end, I doubt it matters that much. I'm over 220 and ride very aggressivly and I can't seem to break it. It's not my dedicated do all bike, but I did ride it at Diablo Mountain bike park and managed to go OTB. It survived without a scratch.

    I would have to see both bikes side by side live to make a call on it. I think the blue one is a decent bike and could handle some serious bombing. 220 down to a flat might be a bit much for the silver one. As far as the "dupe" mentioned the whole frame, except the 4 bar, was hydro-formed.

    The only sticker I have found says wear a helmet.

    10 cool points for OTB! I would give more but you didn't stick the landing lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystagg
    Just curious mongoose pilot, is there a sticker anywhere on your bike that says "not intended for off-road use" or something to that effect.

    And just so you know they put exactly 1 hydro-formed tube on that bike just to dupe new mountain bikers like yourself, I guarantee your bike isn't any lighter or more "flickable" because of it, with the welds like your bike has your frame looks like it could snap if ridden like the name team dh implies.
    Thanks for the information. That was the whole purpose of this post, to gleen information from more experienced and skilled riders. Although, you do assume a lot.
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    I think the silver one looks better and tuffer. Very cool pics too.

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    If anyone was curious as to if the OP bike, is infact a department store bike, just look at the url hosting the photo.

    http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/03...41_500X500.jpg

    Not that its a bad thing to have a Walmart bike, but be sure its components simply aren't up to the same tasks as a mountain bike built purely for mountain biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    If anyone was curious as to if the OP bike, is infact a department store bike, just look at the url hosting the photo.

    http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/03...41_500X500.jpg

    Not that its a bad thing to have a Walmart bike, but be sure its components simply aren't up to the same tasks as a mountain bike built purely for mountain biking.
    Thank you for stating the obvious.
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    It was obvious from some of the replies that this Mongoose came from Walmart, was not obvious.

    ... or by obvious, were you talking about the components not being up to speed for downhill riding, or any other mountain bike specific riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    It was obvious from some of the replies that this Mongoose came from Walmart, was not obvious.

    ... or by obvious, were you talking about the components not being up to speed for downhill riding, or any other mountain bike specific riding?
    The components are above the standard for Walmart and the system hasn't given me any trouble at all. Even the break in and tuning were trouble free. Makes me wonder how many people that post about this bike saying it is so horrible have actually owned one or even riden one. My guess would be they have not even heard about this model until I posted something about it. No, it's the "walmart" part that makes them hate it. I defy anyone to show me a bike with as good or better options in a full suspension configuration for the price I paid for this one at a local bike shop.

    Any takers?
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    For that price(damn near $500), they would typically go to their nearest lbs and buy a legitimate entry level hardtail that will take more abuse and have a higherend component set(compared to your Mongoose DH spec list).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    For that price(damn near $500), they would typically go to their nearest lbs and buy a legitimate entry level hardtail that will take more abuse and have a higherend component set(compared to your Mongoose DH spec list).
    That wasn't my challenge. Do you need to read my post again? How would you know what the DH can take as far as abuse goes since you do not own one and have never tested one? Also, what are you calling cheap as far as the components go specifically?
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    Low end fork, low end rear shock, low end wheels, low end brakes, low end derailers, etc.

    I read your post, but your "challenge" is a bit misleading. For the price you paid, there is NO good full suspension bike capable of real mountain biking, including the one you purchased. For casual riding, light trails, and mid-level trails, there are plenty of better options, all without an incompetant full suspension and with better components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Low end fork, low end rear shock, low end wheels, low end brakes, low end derailers, etc.

    I read your post, but your "challenge" is a bit misleading. For the price you paid, there is NO good full suspension bike capable of real mountain biking, including the one you purchased. For casual riding, light trails, and mid-level trails, there are plenty of better options, all without an incompetant full suspension and with better components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I defy anyone to show me a bike with as good or better options in a full suspension configuration for the price I paid for this one at a local bike shop.
    Any takers?
    Mongoose DH-Team at wal-mart $497
    Mongoose Otero Pro at Performance $446

    I went into Performance Bike Shop and bought the Mongoose Otero Pro a couple of months ago for $446. Every part on that bike is several steps above the DH-Team. It even has hydraulic brakes. It came fully assembled and ready to ride, has a two year warranty, and Performance's 100% satisfaction guarantee. I suggest you return the DH-Team and pick up an Otero when they put them on sale again (which is all the time).



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    BRAKES: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic Disc, 160mm rotor
    CASSETTE: SRAM PG-950, 11/32T, 9-speed
    CHAIN: KMC Z-9000
    CRANKSET: Shimano FC-M4428, 42/32/22T
    FORK: Rock Shox Tora 289 U-Turn, 85-130mm adjustable travel, external rebound adjust
    FRAME: Heat Treated 6000 Series Alloy w/ 2.5-4.4" (62-112mm) QR Adjustable Travel
    FRONT DERAILLEUR: Shimano Deore M530
    GRIPS/TAPE: Mongoose Dual Density
    HANDLEBAR: Mongoose Alloy w/ 30mm rise, 31.8mm clamp
    HEADSET: Ritchey OE Zero Stack
    LEVERS: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic
    PEDALS: Mongoose Alloy Platform
    REAR DERAILLEUR: SRAM SX-5
    REAR SHOCK: Rock Shox Bar 2.1, air spring, rebound adjust
    SADDLE: WTB Speed V Sport w/ Mongoose logo
    SEATPOST: Alloy w/ Micro Adjust head
    SHIFTERS: SRAM SX-5 Triggers
    STEM: Mongoose Alloy Threadless
    TIRES: Kenda Komodo 26 x 2.1" Skinwall
    WHEELSET: Rims: Alex TD24, Disc specific, Double Wall Alloy; Front Hub: Formula DC19 Alloy IS disc mount sealed, 32H; Rear Hub: Formula DC25 IS disc mount, Alloy cassette sealed mech
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    $449.00

    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    Mongoose DH-Team at wal-mart $497
    Mongoose Otero Pro at Performance $450

    I went into Performance Bike Shop and bought the Mongoose Otero Pro a couple of months ago for $450. Every part on that bike is several steps above the DH-Team. It even has hydraulic brakes. It came fully assembled and ready to ride, has a two year warranty, and Performance's 100% satisfaction guarantee. I suggest you return the DH-Team and pick up an Otero when they put them on sale again (which is all the time).



    BOTTOM BRACKET: Shimano ES25 Octalink
    BRAKES: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic Disc, 160mm rotor
    CASSETTE: SRAM PG-950, 11/32T, 9-speed
    CHAIN: KMC Z-9000
    CRANKSET: Shimano FC-M4428, 42/32/22T
    FORK: Rock Shox Tora 289 U-Turn, 85-130mm adjustable travel, external rebound adjust
    FRAME: Heat Treated 6000 Series Alloy w/ 2.5-4.4" (62-112mm) QR Adjustable Travel
    FRONT DERAILLEUR: Shimano Deore M530
    GRIPS/TAPE: Mongoose Dual Density
    HANDLEBAR: Mongoose Alloy w/ 30mm rise, 31.8mm clamp
    HEADSET: Ritchey OE Zero Stack
    LEVERS: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic
    PEDALS: Mongoose Alloy Platform
    REAR DERAILLEUR: SRAM SX-5
    REAR SHOCK: Rock Shox Bar 2.1, air spring, rebound adjust
    SADDLE: WTB Speed V Sport w/ Mongoose logo
    SEATPOST: Alloy w/ Micro Adjust head
    SHIFTERS: SRAM SX-5 Triggers
    STEM: Mongoose Alloy Threadless
    TIRES: Kenda Komodo 26 x 2.1" Skinwall
    WHEELSET: Rims: Alex TD24, Disc specific, Double Wall Alloy; Front Hub: Formula DC19 Alloy IS disc mount sealed, 32H; Rear Hub: Formula DC25 IS disc mount, Alloy cassette sealed mech
    You are looking at last years DH this years is $449.00
    The Otero is a VERY nice bike for the price though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    You are looking at last years DH this years is $449.00
    The Otero is a VERY nice bike for the price though.
    I just checked my receipt when I got home from work. The actual price was $446.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    I just checked my receipt when I got home from work. The actual price was $446.
    Challenge won.
    Post a picture of your reciept and I will post a picture of mine "WIN DENIED"

    Total cost out the door: $486.04



    Here is a listing of what others have paid for the Otero on MTBr's review page:
    http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/xc-sus...3_1526crx.aspx
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    I picked it up when they were having a big sale (which pretty much is always).

    $699 The regular price Performance sells the bike for
    $599 The "sale" price
    $75 off special additional markdown they had on the bike
    15% off coupon I got in the mail

    Performance lets you stack discounts and coupons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    I picked it up when they were having a big sale (which pretty much is always).

    $699 The regular price Performance sells the bike for
    $599 The "sale" price
    $75 off special additional markdown they had on the bike
    15% off coupon I got in the mail

    Performance lets you stack discounts and coupons.

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    Coupon

    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    I picked it up when they were having a big sale (which pretty much is always).

    $699 The regular price Performance sells the bike for
    $599 The "sale" price
    $75 off special additional markdown they had on the bike
    15% off coupon I got in the mail

    Performance lets you stack discounts and coupons.

    Ya but I don't have 75% special or the coupon for the 15%
    WIN DENIED TWICE!
    Run the same numbers for a first time buyer and you might have a win(still great deal you got though. I will admit that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    LOL... infact, that deserves a ROFLcopter.

    Would have been funnier with a roflvw
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    Its sad when you can't even man up and admit defeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Its sad when you can't even man up and admit defeat.
    Wow you guys are rabbid, lmao.
    First off, I didn't have to wait for a sale.
    Secondly, I didn't have to pray for a coupon from an LBS that I have shopped several times and the added 15% off(for whatever that was).

    Fair is fair so if he can show me an FS from an LBS of comparable value and options, for a first time buyer and equal or less money without specials or coupons(remember ride now not when a sale is on or the season is over)then I will gladly RETURN MY DH AND PUCHASE THE LBS BIKE AND ADMIT DEFEAT!

    I will even take pictures, post them here and give my honest review of the bike. Just a heads up though, I have read some pretty bad reviews of the Otero from MTBr.
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    Son, your challenge is completely silly. We're supposed to find a full suspension bike cheaper than a $450 Walmart special? What's even the point? Your Mongoose DH is heavy, rides heavy, has rubbish suspension, and anything cheaper will be even worse!

    The simple fact is, until you hit about $1,000 you're better off buying a hardtail. For $450 you get buy an ok hardtail which has a fork with a proper damper. It'll be more durable, work better, be faster, and about probably 10 pounds lighter.

    Fact is, it's obvious you're new to the sport and have very little experience, as such you simply can't see and feel the limitations of your bike. Instead of listening to much more knowledgable people and learning something, you're just pushing your own. Please stop posting and simply lurk and read for a while. Right now you're simply making an ass of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    Son, your challenge is completely silly. We're supposed to find a full suspension bike cheaper than a $450 Walmart special? What's even the point? Your Mongoose DH is heavy, rides heavy, has rubbish suspension, and anything cheaper will be even worse!

    The simple fact is, until you hit about $1,000 you're better off buying a hardtail. For $450 you get buy an ok hardtail which has a fork with a proper damper. It'll be more durable, work better, be faster, and about probably 10 pounds lighter.

    Fact is, it's obvious you're new to the sport and have very little experience, as such you simply can't see and feel the limitations of your bike. Instead of listening to much more knowledgable people and learning something, you're just pushing your own. Please stop posting and simply lurk and read for a while. Right now you're simply making an ass of yourself.
    Son? Now that is hilarious.

    "it's obvious you're new to the sport and have very little experience" Is that your favorite line? Weak.

    I get to ride now. Today and every day if I wish. Despite your biased and untested opinion of the DH(or any mart bike for that fact). Despite your lack of knowledge of this exact model and despite your inability to understand that not everyone has 1k to drop on a bike,
    I get to ride today.

    Most people who like to ride also like to eat and pay bills. Now, if your parents paid for your 1k+ bike then good for you! Not everyone has that advantage though. Maybe you should watch the news once a week and check out our exceptional economy. Some of us have to work and save in order to buy our dream bikes. Walmart makes it possible for just about anyone to get a bike and ride today.

    The fact is you don't know anything about me or the bike I am riding. You obviously have something to prove and need people to like you. I don't. I simply got tired of people blasting affordable and value oriented products when they have no experience whatsoever with them. Another fact is I don't want a hard-tail. Imagine that. I think there are some great ones out there but seriously, if you aren't up to the challenge then maybe you should just lurk and read some more yourself.

    Instead of attacking me personally(which will get your post deleted and you possibly banned)why don't you be a little more positive for what you assume to be "obviously new" riders?

    No, you and a handful of others like you only want people to feel bad, embarrassed an humiliated because they can't drop 1k+ on a bike they may or may not like. I think it's pretty pathetic because there are a lot of sensitive people out there(not me, of course) that would like to enter the sport and are probably afraid to because they won't be accepted by the herd if they don't buy something even remotely close to the herd's acceptable standard of a bike. Not to mention, that it is most likely out of their price range.

    After all, I got what I wanted. I also don't give a care for what anyone else might think because all that matters is my own personal satisfaction, not yours or anyone elses. The last two bikes I have owned did their job, held together and did not cause any deaths, injuries or otherwise horrible accidents and they were/are both Walmart bikes. No components failed and no one pointed at me and laughed as I rode by, as if it would matter anyway.

    Perhaps it is time you and the others like you re-evaluated your approach. I agree that an expensive bike would be better, however, not everyone can so much as aspire to have the cool and expensive bikes that you ride. Maybe if you guys could stop taking other peoples bikes personally(very mature by the way)and possibly be a little more encouraging towards new riders you would be able to sway more opinions towards your own, because you guys really seem to need that badly. To the point of personal attacks on the rider as well as the bike.

    I simply want people who might be interested in the sport to have an affordable alternative to yours. To be able to test things out and see if, indeed, they do want to enter the sport. You guys don't say anything about starting out at the bottom, trading up and eventually getting that super bike while being able to ride now and hone ones personal skills. Ever think it would be better to practice bunny hops before bombing? Your solution is to save forever and then hope you aren't too old by the time you would have enough money to go out and buy a bike that wouldn't be ridiculed and scoffed at by your little elite group. Ever heard the saying "Life gets in the way"?

    Seriously, you all sound alike. Do you guys sit around rehearsing what you will say to the next person that feels good about a bike that they bought and is excited to start riding and come up with new and inventive ways to deflate and humiliate them? Real mature and I see it all the time on these forums.

    All I have to say about it is this: if you wanted people to listen to you because you are the sages of the sport then you have only achieved an epic failure...
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    If you feel I've attacked you personally, go ahead and report me and get me banned. Go on.

    We're not saying you need to buy a $1,000 bike. What we're saying is if you only have $450 to spend, a quality hardtail is the smart way to spend it. A $450 Walmart full suspension bike isn't the best way to enter the sport, a $450 LBS hardtail is. Have you considered that, maybe, the reason we sound alike is because we've all found the same thing to be true?

    Now, you're idea of trail riding might be completely different from ours, because the the components hung on that frame will run out of performance very quickly on a true off road trail.

    If this thread has gotten you riled up so badly, you should probably stay off the internet. Don't worry though, I won't come back to your thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I will even take pictures, post them here and give my honest review of the bike. Just a heads up though, I have read some pretty bad reviews of the Otero from MTBr.
    Here's an idea, how about posting pictures where you are riding?

    You read some bad reviews of the Otero on MTBr? I've read bad reviews on WalMart mountain bikes pretty much everywhere. I've got one, I KNOW the downsides.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy the Otero either, in that price point, the rear suspension is bound to be ill equipped. That being said, the Otero has a hellovalot better spec list than your DH. Who cares if he got it on sale? Performance puts bikes on sale all the time, whats wrong with taking advantage of a deal? You're touting bikes from WalMart, you shouldn't have issue with this!

    The better idea is to just get a decent hardtail.

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    This whole challenge was silly, I was just trying to show you that for $450+ you can get a much better bike at an actual bike shop. You lost the challenge fair and square:

    You challenge was simply:
    "I defy anyone to show me a bike with as good or better options in a full suspension configuration for the price I paid for this one at a local bike shop."

    Well lets see the Otero has a lot better options, and I walked into my local bike shop and bought one for $446. I bet I could walk into a Performance store and get the same price today without any coupons or anything. Unlike Wal-mart, most LBS will negotiate prices. And Performance is known to come way down on the prices they have listed.

    There are two Performance shops in the DFW area. I suggest you go in there, find an Otero (if your dead set on full suspension), and offer them $450 for it. They'll likely take the offer.

    The Otero does have some weakness, the front fork being the biggest, but at least the Otero will be a good enough bike to give you a true sense of mountain biking. You don't need to go out and spend thousands of dollars, but you do want a bike good enough to make the sport enjoyable.

    This is my last post in this thread. You start a thread asking people to "Be brutal, be honest. Be brutally honest." Then when they are, you accuse them of personal attacks and flame them. Not Cool.

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    Sad Indeed.
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