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    Frame: 4-Bar alloy dual-suspension hydro-form
    Rear Shock: Coil spring, adjustable
    Fork: Rock Shox Dart1 suspension fork, 100mm
    Shifters: 24-speed SRAM SX4 Trigger Shifter system
    Stem: 31.8 Ahead Stem
    Handlebars: Carbon wrap Fat Bars, 31.8
    Crank Set: Suntour XR 24/34/43
    Front Derailleur: Suntour
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM SX4
    Brakes: ProMax mechanical dual disc
    Wheels: 26" Star "Speed" disc rims with camo, 32H
    Tires: Mongoose DH 26" x 2.35"
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    98% of downhill bike/ freeride bikes have over 4'' of front & rear travel, hydraulic disk brakes, and a few other noticeable items . i dont think that is a true 4bar link rear suspension either. are you looking at getting in to DH / free ride? if inexperienced, then yes, i would suggest getting it as a starter bike. when your skills increase the need for more travel, a stronger frame and parts will for sure come in to play. i personally cant justify telling someone who is interested in getting in to dh or fr to get a 3000$ bike just to find out you dont like the style of biking then have to look at a 3k paper weight in the garage. start small and work your way up. as far as TeamDH goes... looks like something i would find at walmart ( not that there is anything wrong with that) but i would bring it to an actual bike shop to go completely through it as the 16 yearold at walmart just put the wheels on and put it on the show room floor. Team DH looks more like an all mountain trail bike, not really designed to take the abuse of DH or FR


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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8
    98% of downhill bike/ freeride bikes have over 4'' of front & rear travel, hydraulic disk brakes, and a few other noticeable items . i dont think that is a true 4bar link rear suspension either. are you looking at getting in to DH / free ride? if inexperienced, then yes, i would suggest getting it as a starter bike. when your skills increase the need for more travel, a stronger frame and parts will for sure come in to play. i personally cant justify telling someone who is interested in getting in to dh or fr to get a 3000$ bike just to find out you dont like the style of biking then have to look at a 3k paper weight in the garage. start small and work your way up. as far as TeamDH goes... looks like something i would find at walmart ( not that there is anything wrong with that) but i would bring it to an actual bike shop to go completely through it as the 16 yearold at walmart just put the wheels on and put it on the show room floor. Team DH looks more like an all mountain trail bike, not really designed to take the abuse of DH or FR
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    Looks strikingly similar to the Mongoose Pro Wing Series, from 2002 - 2006. Those were not Walmart bikes, but at the same time were not necessarily high end. I still have one, frame is heavy, but strong. The parts spect was not to good. I had a bunch of stuff laying around, Hydros, Fox Float, Manitou Minute 1 05' fork, Alivio Shifters and Deore derailleurs. Now it's a pretty worthy bike. Would not buy it then expect to put that much into it though ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    Looks strikingly similar to the Mongoose Pro Wing Series, from 2002 - 2006. Those were not Walmart bikes, but at the same time were not necessarily high end. I still have one, frame is heavy, but strong. The parts spect was not to good. I had a bunch of stuff laying around, Hydros, Fox Float, Manitou Minute 1 05' fork, Alivio Shifters and Deore derailleurs. Now it's a pretty worthy bike. Would not buy it then expect to put that much into it though ...
    Got any pics of your finished build?
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    Here is a picture. It had a Manitou Black on it then, but now has a Manitou Minute.'

    <a href="http://s982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/?action=view&current=Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Wing"></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    Here is a picture. It had a Manitou Black on it then, but now has a Manitou Minute.'

    <a href="http://s982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/?action=view&current=Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/Aresab310/Sabarese-MongooseWing.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Wing"></a>
    Looks very similar to the one above. Was this a hydro formed frame as well? I can tell some small changes are there between yours and the DH.
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    Hydroforming uses fluid to work the mold instead of just pressure. The frame is very similar. Mongoose Pro (those only sold at an LBS and exist on the Mongoose website) such as the Wing series have more name brand parts. The bike you listed has a few, list the the rear derailleur, but then the really cheap parts like Promax discs, those are really the bottom of the bottom. The dart 1 is the absolute lowest Rockshox for made.

    Lastly, the Wing series was retired in 06 and was replaced by the Otero line. I like the look of the wing, but it's getting old in technology. I really is 04 or so in tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    Hydroforming uses fluid to work the mold instead of just pressure. The frame is very similar. Mongoose Pro (those only sold at an LBS and exist on the Mongoose website) such as the Wing series have more name brand parts. The bike you listed has a few, list the the rear derailleur, but then the really cheap parts like Promax discs, those are really the bottom of the bottom. The dart 1 is the absolute lowest Rockshox for made.

    Lastly, the Wing series was retired in 06 and was replaced by the Otero line. I like the look of the wing, but it's getting old in technology. I really is 04 or so in tech.

    So, it wasn't hydro formed?
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    I really don't know. I'm not sure it really maters how the tubes are formed. It's not a very high end bike. I may have an old schreen shot from a web page on mongoose.com.

    Are you planning to bu the Team DH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    I really don't know. I'm not sure it really maters how the tubes are formed. It's not a very high end bike. I may have an old schreen shot from a web page on mongoose.com.

    Are you planning to bu the Team DH?
    Well, it does matter actually. Hydro-forming produces a much stronger shape because the aluminium retains the same thickness, even on corners and edges. Pressing or stamping the form can weaken edges and corners by thinning the material or bending it beyond its limits, causing weak spots.

    I did pull the trigger on this one and so far I am very happy with it. It is lighter and stronger than my last bike and has some really cool features and upgrades.

    Here is the one I purchased, pre-tuning:


    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam1.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam2.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam1.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    <a href="http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/?action=view&current=DHTeam7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy93/SiegeCat/Mongoose%20DH%20Team/DHTeam7.jpg" border="0" alt="Mongoose Team DH 26&amp;quot; Full Suspension"></a>

    If you can see the difference in the downtube and the re-enforcements on the top tube, you can tell that there are distinct changes in the frame. I can tell the idea might have come from the design of the bike you have but they definately made some vast improvements when they designed this one including the hydro-form tecnology and heat treated aluminium.
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    Don't get caught up by if it's hydroformed or not; you're focusing on one little detail and missing the big picture. The design and build quality of the frame is much, much more important than if a tube is hydroformed or not.

    The big question is, what kind of riding are you looking to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    Don't get caught up by if it's hydroformed or not; you're focusing on one little detail and missing the big picture. The design and build quality of the frame is much, much more important than if a tube is hydroformed or not.

    The big question is, what kind of riding are you looking to do?
    I disagree, the big picture is the frame, for it is the core and the heart of the whole system, and the design is one of the most rugged I have seen. The blue bike pictured above doesn't have the strength or thickness the silver one does at the head set or at other key points of stress on the frame. The basic shape is there but if you compare the two side by side you can see distinct differences.

    Hydro-forming does make a big difference, as I stated earlier, at key points such as curves and corners of the material used. Not only is the silver frame Hydro-formed it is also heat treated and hardened after the fact. This makes for the lightest and strongest forms possible with aluminium and it is apparent in the "flick-ability" of the bike at speed or on technical trails.

    As for the big question I will ask: How skilled is the rider?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I disagree, the big picture is the frame, for it is the core and the heart of the whole system, and the design is one of the most rugged I have seen. The blue bike pictured above doesn't have the strength or thickness the silver one does at the head set or at other key points of stress on the frame. The basic shape is there but if you compare the two side by side you can see distinct differences.

    Hydro-forming does make a big difference, as I stated earlier, at key points such as curves and corners of the material used. Not only is the silver frame Hydro-formed it is also heat treated and hardened after the fact. This makes for the lightest and strongest forms possible with aluminium and it is apparent in the "flick-ability" of the bike at speed or on technical trails.

    As for the big question I will ask: How skilled is the rider?
    You're misunderstanding. Yes, the frame is the most important part, but you're focusing in on one aspect of the frame, when you need to be looking at it as a whole. The hydroforming isn't what makes the bike flickable, it's the geometry and the set up of the bike. This is what I'm saying, you're focusing on one part which, in the end, doesn't even have much to do with how the bike actually rides. There is a lot more in the frame than what you're, apparently, seeing.

    My question is, if you're sweating the frame so much, why buy a low end one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    You're misunderstanding. Yes, the frame is the most important part, but you're focusing in on one aspect of the frame, when you
    need to be looking at it as a whole. The hydroforming isn't what makes the bike
    flickable, it's the geometry and the set up of the bike. This is what I'm saying,
    you're focusing on one part which, in the end, doesn't even have much to do with
    how the bike actually rides. There is a lot more in the frame than what you're,
    apparently, seeing.

    My question is, if you're sweating the frame so much, why buy a low end one?
    Geometry has less to do with flickability than mass does and I don't need to do anything but pay taxes and die lol..

    RSabarese and I were comparing the similarities between the two bikes, as they are despite the basic shape, they are completely different.
    The frame and its mass, without components, has everything to do with flick-ability.
    Hydro-forming has a lot to do with flickability as well as it makes the frame strong,
    light and "flick-able". Quick response and control are everything in my style of riding.
    A steel frame of the same dimensions would have more mass and therefore would be
    less flick-able but, the mass would make for a better downhill bike.

    As far as the bike(read cost)goes it is just a step up from my last one. Before you say "save your money up and get a LBS bike" keep in mind it has been said
    a million times and I want to ride now and not later. This is just one of several
    short term goals on the way to my long term goal of buying a GT Force Carbon:



    At a 7k price tag I would be sitting around saving for quite some time. I'm taking donations if you care to contribute lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Geometry has less to do with flickability than mass does and I don't need to do anything but pay taxes and die lol..
    I'm sorry, but that's simply wrong. Maybe you need more experience, or maybe you need to hang out in the frame building forum more, but what you said is simply incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    RSabarese and I were comparing the similarities between the two bikes, as they are despite the basic shape, they are completely different.
    The frame and its mass, without components, has everything to do with flick-ability.
    Hydro-forming has a lot to do with flickability as well as it makes the frame strong,
    light and "flick-able". Quick response and control are everything in my style of riding.
    A steel frame of the same dimensions would have more mass and therefore would be
    less flick-able but, the mass would make for a better downhill bike.
    Hydroforming has virtually nothing to do with flickability. In fact, generally a hydroformed frame will be heavier than an equivalent tubed frame, but will be stiffer and stronger (if designed well). The geometry, and in this case, the suspension design and layout are what you're feeling, and the those, along with the buildup, are what make the bike it's agility.

    What makes a downhill bike is, again, the geometry of the frame. The weight is only from making the frame strong enough for it's purpose. There are also many downhill bikes which are quite agile at speed.

    You're going to believe what you believe, but right now, either due to ignorance or inexperience, you have some pretty misguided beliefs about frames and how they do what they do, and ride like they ride. This could serve you very poorly in future purchases. Don't take my word for it though, and go talk to other people who know frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    I'm sorry, but that's simply wrong. Maybe you need more experience, or maybe you need to hang out in the frame building forum more, but what you said is simply incorrect.



    Hydroforming has virtually nothing to do with flickability. In fact, generally a hydroformed frame will be heavier than an equivalent tubed frame, but will be stiffer and stronger (if designed well). The geometry, and in this case, the suspension design and layout are what you're feeling, and the those, along with the buildup, are what make the bike it's agility.

    What makes a downhill bike is, again, the geometry of the frame. The weight is only from making the frame strong enough for it's purpose. There are also many downhill bikes which are quite agile at speed.

    You're going to believe what you believe, but right now, either due to ignorance or inexperience, you have some pretty misguided beliefs about frames and how they do what they do, and ride like they ride. This could serve you very poorly in future purchases. Don't take my word for it though, and go talk to other people who know frames.
    Ok tough guy, what do you think about the frame and the differences between the blue and silver one? Oh and thanks for calling me ignorant and inexperienced. I understand no one is allowed to be as smart or as experienced as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Ok tough guy, what do you think about the frame and the differences between the blue and silver one? Oh and thanks for calling me ignorant and inexperienced. I understand no one is allowed to be as smart or as experienced as you.
    Not a tough guy, I just call it like I see it. I also know a couple things about bikes.

    There are plenty of people who are smarter and more experienced than me. There are also a lot of people who aren't.
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    I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but Mongoose Pilot, go look at the reviews on this site of the Mongoose Wing. There one common theme amongst them, "STRONG & HEAVY". Look at the top tube gusset on your bike verse mine, yours it welded in 3 spots, mine the entire top tube has a solid welded gusset (this picture migh make it difficult to see).

    In the end, I doubt it matters that much. I'm over 220 and ride very aggressivly and I can't seem to break it. It's not my dedicated do all bike, but I did ride it at Diablo Mountain bike park and managed to go OTB. It survived without a scratch.

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    Just curious mongoose pilot, is there a sticker anywhere on your bike that says "not intended for off-road use" or something to that effect.

    And just so you know they put exactly 1 hydro-formed tube on that bike just to dupe new mountain bikers like yourself, I guarantee your bike isn't any lighter or more "flickable" because of it, with the welds like your bike has your frame looks like it could snap if ridden like the name team dh implies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSabarese
    I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but Mongoose Pilot, go look at the reviews on this site of the Mongoose Wing. There one common theme amongst them, "STRONG & HEAVY". Look at the top tube gusset on your bike verse mine, yours it welded in 3 spots, mine the entire top tube has a solid welded gusset (this picture migh make it difficult to see).

    In the end, I doubt it matters that much. I'm over 220 and ride very aggressivly and I can't seem to break it. It's not my dedicated do all bike, but I did ride it at Diablo Mountain bike park and managed to go OTB. It survived without a scratch.

    I would have to see both bikes side by side live to make a call on it. I think the blue one is a decent bike and could handle some serious bombing. 220 down to a flat might be a bit much for the silver one. As far as the "dupe" mentioned the whole frame, except the 4 bar, was hydro-formed.

    The only sticker I have found says wear a helmet.

    10 cool points for OTB! I would give more but you didn't stick the landing lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystagg
    Just curious mongoose pilot, is there a sticker anywhere on your bike that says "not intended for off-road use" or something to that effect.

    And just so you know they put exactly 1 hydro-formed tube on that bike just to dupe new mountain bikers like yourself, I guarantee your bike isn't any lighter or more "flickable" because of it, with the welds like your bike has your frame looks like it could snap if ridden like the name team dh implies.
    Thanks for the information. That was the whole purpose of this post, to gleen information from more experienced and skilled riders. Although, you do assume a lot.
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    I think the silver one looks better and tuffer. Very cool pics too.

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    If anyone was curious as to if the OP bike, is infact a department store bike, just look at the url hosting the photo.

    http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/03...41_500X500.jpg

    Not that its a bad thing to have a Walmart bike, but be sure its components simply aren't up to the same tasks as a mountain bike built purely for mountain biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    If anyone was curious as to if the OP bike, is infact a department store bike, just look at the url hosting the photo.

    http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/03...41_500X500.jpg

    Not that its a bad thing to have a Walmart bike, but be sure its components simply aren't up to the same tasks as a mountain bike built purely for mountain biking.
    Thank you for stating the obvious.
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    It was obvious from some of the replies that this Mongoose came from Walmart, was not obvious.

    ... or by obvious, were you talking about the components not being up to speed for downhill riding, or any other mountain bike specific riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    It was obvious from some of the replies that this Mongoose came from Walmart, was not obvious.

    ... or by obvious, were you talking about the components not being up to speed for downhill riding, or any other mountain bike specific riding?
    The components are above the standard for Walmart and the system hasn't given me any trouble at all. Even the break in and tuning were trouble free. Makes me wonder how many people that post about this bike saying it is so horrible have actually owned one or even riden one. My guess would be they have not even heard about this model until I posted something about it. No, it's the "walmart" part that makes them hate it. I defy anyone to show me a bike with as good or better options in a full suspension configuration for the price I paid for this one at a local bike shop.

    Any takers?
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    For that price(damn near $500), they would typically go to their nearest lbs and buy a legitimate entry level hardtail that will take more abuse and have a higherend component set(compared to your Mongoose DH spec list).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    For that price(damn near $500), they would typically go to their nearest lbs and buy a legitimate entry level hardtail that will take more abuse and have a higherend component set(compared to your Mongoose DH spec list).
    That wasn't my challenge. Do you need to read my post again? How would you know what the DH can take as far as abuse goes since you do not own one and have never tested one? Also, what are you calling cheap as far as the components go specifically?
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    Low end fork, low end rear shock, low end wheels, low end brakes, low end derailers, etc.

    I read your post, but your "challenge" is a bit misleading. For the price you paid, there is NO good full suspension bike capable of real mountain biking, including the one you purchased. For casual riding, light trails, and mid-level trails, there are plenty of better options, all without an incompetant full suspension and with better components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Low end fork, low end rear shock, low end wheels, low end brakes, low end derailers, etc.

    I read your post, but your "challenge" is a bit misleading. For the price you paid, there is NO good full suspension bike capable of real mountain biking, including the one you purchased. For casual riding, light trails, and mid-level trails, there are plenty of better options, all without an incompetant full suspension and with better components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I defy anyone to show me a bike with as good or better options in a full suspension configuration for the price I paid for this one at a local bike shop.
    Any takers?
    Mongoose DH-Team at wal-mart $497
    Mongoose Otero Pro at Performance $446

    I went into Performance Bike Shop and bought the Mongoose Otero Pro a couple of months ago for $446. Every part on that bike is several steps above the DH-Team. It even has hydraulic brakes. It came fully assembled and ready to ride, has a two year warranty, and Performance's 100% satisfaction guarantee. I suggest you return the DH-Team and pick up an Otero when they put them on sale again (which is all the time).



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    BRAKES: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic Disc, 160mm rotor
    CASSETTE: SRAM PG-950, 11/32T, 9-speed
    CHAIN: KMC Z-9000
    CRANKSET: Shimano FC-M4428, 42/32/22T
    FORK: Rock Shox Tora 289 U-Turn, 85-130mm adjustable travel, external rebound adjust
    FRAME: Heat Treated 6000 Series Alloy w/ 2.5-4.4" (62-112mm) QR Adjustable Travel
    FRONT DERAILLEUR: Shimano Deore M530
    GRIPS/TAPE: Mongoose Dual Density
    HANDLEBAR: Mongoose Alloy w/ 30mm rise, 31.8mm clamp
    HEADSET: Ritchey OE Zero Stack
    LEVERS: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic
    PEDALS: Mongoose Alloy Platform
    REAR DERAILLEUR: SRAM SX-5
    REAR SHOCK: Rock Shox Bar 2.1, air spring, rebound adjust
    SADDLE: WTB Speed V Sport w/ Mongoose logo
    SEATPOST: Alloy w/ Micro Adjust head
    SHIFTERS: SRAM SX-5 Triggers
    STEM: Mongoose Alloy Threadless
    TIRES: Kenda Komodo 26 x 2.1" Skinwall
    WHEELSET: Rims: Alex TD24, Disc specific, Double Wall Alloy; Front Hub: Formula DC19 Alloy IS disc mount sealed, 32H; Rear Hub: Formula DC25 IS disc mount, Alloy cassette sealed mech
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    $449.00

    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    Mongoose DH-Team at wal-mart $497
    Mongoose Otero Pro at Performance $450

    I went into Performance Bike Shop and bought the Mongoose Otero Pro a couple of months ago for $450. Every part on that bike is several steps above the DH-Team. It even has hydraulic brakes. It came fully assembled and ready to ride, has a two year warranty, and Performance's 100% satisfaction guarantee. I suggest you return the DH-Team and pick up an Otero when they put them on sale again (which is all the time).



    BOTTOM BRACKET: Shimano ES25 Octalink
    BRAKES: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic Disc, 160mm rotor
    CASSETTE: SRAM PG-950, 11/32T, 9-speed
    CHAIN: KMC Z-9000
    CRANKSET: Shimano FC-M4428, 42/32/22T
    FORK: Rock Shox Tora 289 U-Turn, 85-130mm adjustable travel, external rebound adjust
    FRAME: Heat Treated 6000 Series Alloy w/ 2.5-4.4" (62-112mm) QR Adjustable Travel
    FRONT DERAILLEUR: Shimano Deore M530
    GRIPS/TAPE: Mongoose Dual Density
    HANDLEBAR: Mongoose Alloy w/ 30mm rise, 31.8mm clamp
    HEADSET: Ritchey OE Zero Stack
    LEVERS: Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic
    PEDALS: Mongoose Alloy Platform
    REAR DERAILLEUR: SRAM SX-5
    REAR SHOCK: Rock Shox Bar 2.1, air spring, rebound adjust
    SADDLE: WTB Speed V Sport w/ Mongoose logo
    SEATPOST: Alloy w/ Micro Adjust head
    SHIFTERS: SRAM SX-5 Triggers
    STEM: Mongoose Alloy Threadless
    TIRES: Kenda Komodo 26 x 2.1" Skinwall
    WHEELSET: Rims: Alex TD24, Disc specific, Double Wall Alloy; Front Hub: Formula DC19 Alloy IS disc mount sealed, 32H; Rear Hub: Formula DC25 IS disc mount, Alloy cassette sealed mech
    You are looking at last years DH this years is $449.00
    The Otero is a VERY nice bike for the price though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    You are looking at last years DH this years is $449.00
    The Otero is a VERY nice bike for the price though.
    I just checked my receipt when I got home from work. The actual price was $446.
    Challenge won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    I just checked my receipt when I got home from work. The actual price was $446.
    Challenge won.
    Post a picture of your reciept and I will post a picture of mine "WIN DENIED"

    Total cost out the door: $486.04



    Here is a listing of what others have paid for the Otero on MTBr's review page:
    http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/xc-sus...3_1526crx.aspx
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    I picked it up when they were having a big sale (which pretty much is always).

    $699 The regular price Performance sells the bike for
    $599 The "sale" price
    $75 off special additional markdown they had on the bike
    15% off coupon I got in the mail

    Performance lets you stack discounts and coupons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    I picked it up when they were having a big sale (which pretty much is always).

    $699 The regular price Performance sells the bike for
    $599 The "sale" price
    $75 off special additional markdown they had on the bike
    15% off coupon I got in the mail

    Performance lets you stack discounts and coupons.

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    Coupon

    Quote Originally Posted by oldskoolbiker
    I picked it up when they were having a big sale (which pretty much is always).

    $699 The regular price Performance sells the bike for
    $599 The "sale" price
    $75 off special additional markdown they had on the bike
    15% off coupon I got in the mail

    Performance lets you stack discounts and coupons.

    Ya but I don't have 75% special or the coupon for the 15%
    WIN DENIED TWICE!
    Run the same numbers for a first time buyer and you might have a win(still great deal you got though. I will admit that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    LOL... infact, that deserves a ROFLcopter.

    Would have been funnier with a roflvw
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Its sad when you can't even man up and admit defeat.
    Wow you guys are rabbid, lmao.
    First off, I didn't have to wait for a sale.
    Secondly, I didn't have to pray for a coupon from an LBS that I have shopped several times and the added 15% off(for whatever that was).

    Fair is fair so if he can show me an FS from an LBS of comparable value and options, for a first time buyer and equal or less money without specials or coupons(remember ride now not when a sale is on or the season is over)then I will gladly RETURN MY DH AND PUCHASE THE LBS BIKE AND ADMIT DEFEAT!

    I will even take pictures, post them here and give my honest review of the bike. Just a heads up though, I have read some pretty bad reviews of the Otero from MTBr.
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    Son, your challenge is completely silly. We're supposed to find a full suspension bike cheaper than a $450 Walmart special? What's even the point? Your Mongoose DH is heavy, rides heavy, has rubbish suspension, and anything cheaper will be even worse!

    The simple fact is, until you hit about $1,000 you're better off buying a hardtail. For $450 you get buy an ok hardtail which has a fork with a proper damper. It'll be more durable, work better, be faster, and about probably 10 pounds lighter.

    Fact is, it's obvious you're new to the sport and have very little experience, as such you simply can't see and feel the limitations of your bike. Instead of listening to much more knowledgable people and learning something, you're just pushing your own. Please stop posting and simply lurk and read for a while. Right now you're simply making an ass of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    Son, your challenge is completely silly. We're supposed to find a full suspension bike cheaper than a $450 Walmart special? What's even the point? Your Mongoose DH is heavy, rides heavy, has rubbish suspension, and anything cheaper will be even worse!

    The simple fact is, until you hit about $1,000 you're better off buying a hardtail. For $450 you get buy an ok hardtail which has a fork with a proper damper. It'll be more durable, work better, be faster, and about probably 10 pounds lighter.

    Fact is, it's obvious you're new to the sport and have very little experience, as such you simply can't see and feel the limitations of your bike. Instead of listening to much more knowledgable people and learning something, you're just pushing your own. Please stop posting and simply lurk and read for a while. Right now you're simply making an ass of yourself.
    Son? Now that is hilarious.

    "it's obvious you're new to the sport and have very little experience" Is that your favorite line? Weak.

    I get to ride now. Today and every day if I wish. Despite your biased and untested opinion of the DH(or any mart bike for that fact). Despite your lack of knowledge of this exact model and despite your inability to understand that not everyone has 1k to drop on a bike,
    I get to ride today.

    Most people who like to ride also like to eat and pay bills. Now, if your parents paid for your 1k+ bike then good for you! Not everyone has that advantage though. Maybe you should watch the news once a week and check out our exceptional economy. Some of us have to work and save in order to buy our dream bikes. Walmart makes it possible for just about anyone to get a bike and ride today.

    The fact is you don't know anything about me or the bike I am riding. You obviously have something to prove and need people to like you. I don't. I simply got tired of people blasting affordable and value oriented products when they have no experience whatsoever with them. Another fact is I don't want a hard-tail. Imagine that. I think there are some great ones out there but seriously, if you aren't up to the challenge then maybe you should just lurk and read some more yourself.

    Instead of attacking me personally(which will get your post deleted and you possibly banned)why don't you be a little more positive for what you assume to be "obviously new" riders?

    No, you and a handful of others like you only want people to feel bad, embarrassed an humiliated because they can't drop 1k+ on a bike they may or may not like. I think it's pretty pathetic because there are a lot of sensitive people out there(not me, of course) that would like to enter the sport and are probably afraid to because they won't be accepted by the herd if they don't buy something even remotely close to the herd's acceptable standard of a bike. Not to mention, that it is most likely out of their price range.

    After all, I got what I wanted. I also don't give a care for what anyone else might think because all that matters is my own personal satisfaction, not yours or anyone elses. The last two bikes I have owned did their job, held together and did not cause any deaths, injuries or otherwise horrible accidents and they were/are both Walmart bikes. No components failed and no one pointed at me and laughed as I rode by, as if it would matter anyway.

    Perhaps it is time you and the others like you re-evaluated your approach. I agree that an expensive bike would be better, however, not everyone can so much as aspire to have the cool and expensive bikes that you ride. Maybe if you guys could stop taking other peoples bikes personally(very mature by the way)and possibly be a little more encouraging towards new riders you would be able to sway more opinions towards your own, because you guys really seem to need that badly. To the point of personal attacks on the rider as well as the bike.

    I simply want people who might be interested in the sport to have an affordable alternative to yours. To be able to test things out and see if, indeed, they do want to enter the sport. You guys don't say anything about starting out at the bottom, trading up and eventually getting that super bike while being able to ride now and hone ones personal skills. Ever think it would be better to practice bunny hops before bombing? Your solution is to save forever and then hope you aren't too old by the time you would have enough money to go out and buy a bike that wouldn't be ridiculed and scoffed at by your little elite group. Ever heard the saying "Life gets in the way"?

    Seriously, you all sound alike. Do you guys sit around rehearsing what you will say to the next person that feels good about a bike that they bought and is excited to start riding and come up with new and inventive ways to deflate and humiliate them? Real mature and I see it all the time on these forums.

    All I have to say about it is this: if you wanted people to listen to you because you are the sages of the sport then you have only achieved an epic failure...
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    If you feel I've attacked you personally, go ahead and report me and get me banned. Go on.

    We're not saying you need to buy a $1,000 bike. What we're saying is if you only have $450 to spend, a quality hardtail is the smart way to spend it. A $450 Walmart full suspension bike isn't the best way to enter the sport, a $450 LBS hardtail is. Have you considered that, maybe, the reason we sound alike is because we've all found the same thing to be true?

    Now, you're idea of trail riding might be completely different from ours, because the the components hung on that frame will run out of performance very quickly on a true off road trail.

    If this thread has gotten you riled up so badly, you should probably stay off the internet. Don't worry though, I won't come back to your thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I will even take pictures, post them here and give my honest review of the bike. Just a heads up though, I have read some pretty bad reviews of the Otero from MTBr.
    Here's an idea, how about posting pictures where you are riding?

    You read some bad reviews of the Otero on MTBr? I've read bad reviews on WalMart mountain bikes pretty much everywhere. I've got one, I KNOW the downsides.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy the Otero either, in that price point, the rear suspension is bound to be ill equipped. That being said, the Otero has a hellovalot better spec list than your DH. Who cares if he got it on sale? Performance puts bikes on sale all the time, whats wrong with taking advantage of a deal? You're touting bikes from WalMart, you shouldn't have issue with this!

    The better idea is to just get a decent hardtail.

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    This whole challenge was silly, I was just trying to show you that for $450+ you can get a much better bike at an actual bike shop. You lost the challenge fair and square:

    You challenge was simply:
    "I defy anyone to show me a bike with as good or better options in a full suspension configuration for the price I paid for this one at a local bike shop."

    Well lets see the Otero has a lot better options, and I walked into my local bike shop and bought one for $446. I bet I could walk into a Performance store and get the same price today without any coupons or anything. Unlike Wal-mart, most LBS will negotiate prices. And Performance is known to come way down on the prices they have listed.

    There are two Performance shops in the DFW area. I suggest you go in there, find an Otero (if your dead set on full suspension), and offer them $450 for it. They'll likely take the offer.

    The Otero does have some weakness, the front fork being the biggest, but at least the Otero will be a good enough bike to give you a true sense of mountain biking. You don't need to go out and spend thousands of dollars, but you do want a bike good enough to make the sport enjoyable.

    This is my last post in this thread. You start a thread asking people to "Be brutal, be honest. Be brutally honest." Then when they are, you accuse them of personal attacks and flame them. Not Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Its sad when you can't even man up and admit defeat.
    Sad Indeed.
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    right

    Those are the exact reasons I don't post much MP. You hit that spot on. I love to read your posts so keep on blazing new trails! Oh and btw have you seen how popular your threads are? Lots of reads here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    If you feel I've attacked you personally, go ahead and report me and get me banned. Go on.

    We're not saying you need to buy a $1,000 bike. What we're saying is if you only have $450 to spend, a quality hardtail is the smart way to spend it. A $450 Walmart full suspension bike isn't the best way to enter the sport, a $450 LBS hardtail is. Have you considered that, maybe, the reason we sound alike is because we've all found the same thing to be true?

    Now, you're idea of trail riding might be completely different from ours, because the the components hung on that frame will run out of performance very quickly on a true off road trail.

    If this thread has gotten you riled up so badly, you should probably stay off the internet. Don't worry though, I won't come back to your thread.
    Ya I get it because you repeat yourself so much. Thanks for leaving. It shows, at the very least, that you do have some respect for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoosedGirl
    Those are the exact reasons I don't post much MP. You hit that spot on. I love to read your posts so keep on blazing new trails! Oh and btw have you seen how popular your threads are? Lots of reads here!
    Thanks. If you need anything just let me know. I haven't checked the hit counter because I just click on my subscribed threads to see new posts. I didn't realize I was putting up those numbers. Cream rises I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    Here's an idea, how about posting pictures where you are riding?

    You read some bad reviews of the Otero on MTBr? I've read bad reviews on WalMart mountain bikes pretty much everywhere. I've got one, I KNOW the downsides.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy the Otero either, in that price point, the rear suspension is bound to be ill equipped. That being said, the Otero has a hellovalot better spec list than your DH. Who cares if he got it on sale? Performance puts bikes on sale all the time, whats wrong with taking advantage of a deal? You're touting bikes from WalMart, you shouldn't have issue with this!

    The better idea is to just get a decent hardtail.
    The point is I didn't have to jump through hoops, be a member/shopper of an LBS and I got the bike without any kind of special or coupon. I went to the site, clicked on what I wanted and they delivered it to within 3 miles of my house at a local outlet. His situation is considerably different than mine. How many times do I have to say I don't want a hardtail?

    If you can't step up then don't take the challenge. Claiming I won't accept defeat or calling the challenge "silly" is typical of someone who can't accept defeat. I will make it clear for the slow kids:

    1. Pick up an FS at a local LBS for equal or less cost
    2. Click on LBS bike from website(if available)add to cart and purchase or walk-in and puchase bike.
    3. Must be able to puchase unit at any time barring any specials or coupons that past customers of LBS would have access to.
    4. Stop crying because it is a very simple challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    The point is I didn't have to jump through hoops, be a member/shopper of an LBS and I got the bike without any kind of special or coupon. I went to the site, clicked on what I wanted and they delivered it to within 3 miles of my house at a local outlet. His situation is considerably different than mine. How many times do I have to say I don't want a hardtail?

    If you can't step up then don't take the challenge. Claiming I won't accept defeat or calling the challenge "silly" is typical of someone who can't accept defeat. I will make it clear for the slow kids:

    1. Pick up an FS at a local LBS for equal or less cost
    Someone did and proved it. YOU LOSE MONGOOSE PILOT!!! The otero is at least 100x better than the goose you got. Sorry, but just being brutally honest... which you asked for.

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    denied

    Quote Originally Posted by koldsimer1
    Someone did and proved it. YOU LOSE MONGOOSE PILOT!!! The otero is at least 100x better than the goose you got. Sorry, but just being brutally honest... which you asked for.
    Once again, his was a special case with options on the purchase that not everyone would have available. You simply have no argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Once again, his was a special case with options on the purchase that not everyone would have available. You simply have no argument.
    No it wasn't. You lose. So sorry. Thanks for playing.

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    Actually

    Quote Originally Posted by koldsimer1
    No it wasn't. You lose. So sorry. Thanks for playing.
    You have no say in this unless you can step up. Otherwise, you are just here to annoy and your posts are making it obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    You have no say in this unless you can step up. Otherwise, you are just here to annoy and your posts are making it obvious.
    Step up? Can you do step ups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldsimer1
    Step up? Can you do step ups?
    no.
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    no.
    HEY OLD BUDDY, HOW'S FRANKENBIKE DOING??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    HEY OLD BUDDY, HOW'S FRANKENBIKE DOING??
    very monsterly
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    very monsterly
    I know this may be considered rude to ask but in the spirit of the challenge and for the benefit of our lovely readers could you give us a ballpark figure for the total cost of Frankie? I only ask because I know you took a different route for your build and this would give everyone an idea on how to get a decent MTB without buying one new or a complete used one.

    Also, in general terms, where are good spots to shop for parts and great deals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I know this may be considered rude to ask but in the spirit of the challenge and for the benefit of our lovely readers could you give us a ballpark figure for the total cost of Frankie? I only ask because I know you took a different route for your build and this would give everyone an idea on how to get a decent MTB without buying one new or a complete used one.

    Also, in general terms, where are good spots to shop for parts and great deals?
    Well, I'm not gonna list the prices for everything (people can look them up themselves)

    but here's my build specs:
    Frame:
    -Sette Flite w/ Manitou Swinger 4X
    Fork:
    -Marzocchi 55 TST w/ Shim Stack Mod.
    Cockpit:
    -Sette XE Barends
    -ODI Yeti Grips
    -Easton MonkeyLite Bar
    -Sette Edge Stem
    -Cane Creek ZS-110 Headset (not pictured)
    -Kore I-Beam Post
    -SDG I-Fly Saddle
    Drivetrain:
    -Shimano M450 Cranks
    -Shimano UN72 BB
    -Time ATAC Alium pedals
    -KMC Z72 Chain
    -SRAM PG-850 Cassette
    -Shimano Rapid-Rise XT Rear Derailleur
    -Shimano XT Front Derailleur
    -SRAM MRX-Comp GripShifters
    -Jagwire Cables
    Brakes:
    -Avid BB7 Disc
    -Avid SD7 Levers
    -Avid Full Metal Jacket Cables
    Wheels:
    -Panaracer Fire FR 2.4 Tires
    -WTB FX28 Rims
    -DT Swiss Revolution Spokes
    -Sette DH 20mm T/A Front Hub
    -Shimano XT Rear Hub
    BLING!!
    -Red Anodized Spoke Nipples
    -Chrome Skull Valve Stem Caps
    -Hope Red Anodized Bar Plugs
    -Red Anodized Lock-On Clamps
    -Hope Red Anodized Seat Post Collar
    Not Bling:
    -Schwinn Bottle Cage
    -CamelBak Performance Bottle



    Good deals?
    well, online I went to Pricepoint, JensonUSA, Blue Sky, CBO
    Some stuff I got at my LBS
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Cost

    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    Well, I'm not gonna list the prices for everything (people can look them up themselves)

    but here's my build specs:
    Frame:
    -Sette Flite w/ Manitou Swinger 4X
    Fork:
    -Marzocchi 55 TST w/ Shim Stack Mod.
    Cockpit:
    -Sette XE Barends
    -ODI Yeti Grips
    -Easton MonkeyLite Bar
    -Sette Edge Stem
    -Cane Creek ZS-110 Headset (not pictured)
    -Kore I-Beam Post
    -SDG I-Fly Saddle
    Drivetrain:
    -Shimano M450 Cranks
    -Shimano UN72 BB
    -Time ATAC Alium pedals
    -KMC Z72 Chain
    -SRAM PG-850 Cassette
    -Shimano Rapid-Rise XT Rear Derailleur
    -Shimano XT Front Derailleur
    -SRAM MRX-Comp GripShifters
    -Jagwire Cables
    Brakes:
    -Avid BB7 Disc
    -Avid SD7 Levers
    -Avid Full Metal Jacket Cables
    Wheels:
    -Panaracer Fire FR 2.4 Tires
    -WTB FX28 Rims
    -DT Swiss Revolution Spokes
    -Sette DH 20mm T/A Front Hub
    -Shimano XT Rear Hub
    BLING!!
    -Red Anodized Spoke Nipples
    -Chrome Skull Valve Stem Caps
    -Hope Red Anodized Bar Plugs
    -Red Anodized Lock-On Clamps
    -Hope Red Anodized Seat Post Collar
    Not Bling:
    -Schwinn Bottle Cage
    -CamelBak Performance Bottle



    Good deals?
    well, online I went to Pricepoint, JensonUSA, Blue Sky, CBO
    Some stuff I got at my LBS
    Estimated cost for entire build?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Estimated cost for entire build?
    I dunno - It was done over a long period of time...
    you can google all those parts tho
    have fun!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    I dunno - It was done over a long period of time...
    you can google all those parts tho
    have fun!
    I would say, just a guess, 2k+?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I would say, just a guess, 2k+?
    possibly - probably has a higher bluebook than my 4Runner in the background
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    MP, your a joke.. there are soo many people on here that are simply trying to give you good advice and trying to direct you in the right direction as a novice to this sport and you are simply being an ass..

    here is somthing to think about.. if you truly do ride that POS you got from Wallmart very often, it will break and you will need parts/labor done to it..
    1. you wont be able to get parts through Wallmart and even if you can your then SOL on any help as far as repairs
    2. If you go into your LBS, they will charge you full price of $45-$55 for a tune up plus 100% retail on parts.. believe me I do it to people like you all the time.

    if you bought a otero from a LBS, its typically free tuneups for a year and discounts on parts as well as supporting a local buisness and employes insteed of Wallmart.

    as far as quality, the DH that you bought is a POS... I race and am sponsored by Mongoose and I will tell you that the bike your riding isnt anything I would trust anyone I knew on..
    but the otero on the other hand, I would ride it myself and would totally feel ok riding it.. and I have sold many to people and they alway come back with good things to say about them..

    the "DH" you bought WONT last anywhere near as long as the otero would.. your going to spend more on Parts/labor/head ache/lost riding time/buying a new POS bike, then you would if you had listened to what all the people on here had tried to tell you and bought a otero in the first place..

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    Why am I getting the feeling mp is a troll, for some reason I think he will get along famously with Kevinbicycle another famous mtbr troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    The point is I didn't have to jump through hoops, be a member/shopper of an LBS and I got the bike without any kind of special or coupon. I went to the site, clicked on what I wanted and they delivered it to within 3 miles of my house at a local outlet. His situation is considerably different than mine. How many times do I have to say I don't want a hardtail?

    If you can't step up then don't take the challenge. Claiming I won't accept defeat or calling the challenge "silly" is typical of someone who can't accept defeat. I will make it clear for the slow kids:

    1. Pick up an FS at a local LBS for equal or less cost
    2. Click on LBS bike from website(if available)add to cart and purchase or walk-in and puchase bike.
    3. Must be able to puchase unit at any time barring any specials or coupons that past customers of LBS would have access to.
    4. Stop crying because it is a very simple challenge.
    And what He's saying is that if you go to your local performance bike shop and offer them $450 (or however much you paid for the mart bike) for the Otero, they'll probably take it. No coupons or anything... You might even get discounted/free service.

    It is a most likely a better bike, no question. If you can get it for $450, you get a better bike for the same price. If you can't then you can "win" the challenge. End of story.



    You say "we haven't tried your bike..." have you tried a $500 LBS hardtail? OR a "real" full suspension bike? If not, then you can't compare your bike to ours.

    If you're happy with your mart bike, that's fine. (what was wrong with the XR 200??? only a couple months is a short time to have a bike.)

    What we're saying is that for the same price or maybe only $50 more you might be able to get a better bike. Certainly the Tora is a nice upgrade over the Dart 1, as is the air shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    what was wrong with the XR 200???.
    Nothing was wrong with it. I got my use out of it and sold it before it got scratched up and still looked new. The guy I sold it to got a great value on a tuned and broken in XR200. I recovered some of my cost and put it towards the Team DH. I will do the same thing with each bike I purchase so that I can ride now while I work towards my goal of a GT Carbon Pro(this may change if it takes more than the alloted time for my goals and new models are released).

    My next trade up from the Team DH is the Marin Quake 7.9:



    That is the 2009 model and by the time I am ready to trade up it might BE ON SALE HA HA HA HA HA HAAA! Otero..pfft. You little kittens need to clue in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    MP, your a joke.. there are soo many people on here that are simply trying to give you good advice and trying to direct you in the right direction as a novice to this sport and you are simply being an ass..
    Very mature. Are you in 8th grade this year?

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    here is somthing to think about.. if you truly do ride that POS you got from Wallmart very often, it will break and you will need parts/labor done to it..
    Prove it. Nothing has broken yet and it doesn't smell at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    1. you wont be able to get parts through Wallmart and even if you can your then SOL on any help as far as repairs
    I get parts from Pacific Cycle for free as long as it is under warranty. If you knew anything you would have known that. I also know enough about the rocket science that is bike maintenence to fix my own ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    2. If you go into your LBS, they will charge you full price of $45-$55 for a tune up plus 100% retail on parts.. believe me I do it to people like you all the time.
    I seriously doubt you do anything to anyone like me at anytime.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    if you bought a otero from a LBS, its typically free tuneups for a year and discounts on parts as well as supporting a local buisness and employes insteed of Wallmart.
    Did they not cut your last check when you were a greeter? You should have taken it to the labor board.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    as far as quality, the DH that you bought is a POS... I race and am sponsored by Mongoose and I will tell you that the bike your riding isnt anything I would trust anyone I knew on..
    but the otero on the other hand, I would ride it myself and would totally feel ok riding it.. and I have sold many to people and they alway come back with good things to say about them..
    Good for you! That's better than your parents buying you a bike! Good for the Otero too! However, I have a hard time listening to people that brag. Kinda weak, you know? If you were all that and a Kenda tire you probably wouldn't have to run around telling everyone those things.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    the "DH" you bought WONT last anywhere near as long as the otero would.. your going to spend more on Parts/labor/head ache/lost riding time/buying a new POS bike, then you would if you had listened to what all the people on here had tried to tell you and bought a otero in the first place..
    Wow, you are completly in denial. The DH is the best investment I have purchased so far. It is very quiet, I can only hear the tread as I ride along the paved jogging path. If I stop pedling it makes a faint clicking noise near the rear wheel while I am still rolling. I think it is supposed to do that, though. It shifts like a dream, probably because the guy that tuned it(me)knew what he was doing.

    I'm really sorry you are so angry at my bike. I'm not sure of what it could have done to you to make you so mad, but I promise to have a stern talk with it and ask it to be a little more respectful of the humans that hate it so much.

    People that curse a lot are usually insecure about something. Perhaps you should work on your people skills, spelling and do a little research before opening your mouth and inserting your own foot into it. Just a suggestion. Have a great day and ride safe!

    Next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystagg
    Why am I getting the feeling mp is a troll, for some reason I think he will get along famously with Kevinbicycle another famous mtbr troll.
    I would say it is because you are close minded and have no clue what I am up to. Maybe in a few months it might become clear what is really going on and this will be used as a guide for other poeple who can use this information. But you go right on ahead and diss me every chance you get. It really shows your maturity level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    I would say it is because you are close minded and have no clue what I am up to. Maybe in a few months it might become clear what is really going on and this will be used as a guide for other poeple who can use this information. But you go right on ahead and diss me every chance you get. It really shows your maturity level.
    He shows approximately the same maturity level you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    He shows approximately the same maturity level you do.

    Enjoy your bike, though.
    Have any examples to back up your empty claims with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Have any examples to back up your empty claims with?
    lets see, calling us all "little kittens"

    refusing to take your own challenge and seeing if you can go get an Otero for however much you paid for the "DH Team" bike.

    Claiming we don't know jack about your bike when you don't know jack about ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Very mature. Are you in 8th grade this year?



    Prove it. Nothing has broken yet and it doesn't smell at all.



    I get parts from Pacific Cycle for free as long as it is under warranty. If you knew anything you would have known that. I also know enough about the rocket science that is bike maintenence to fix my own ride.



    I seriously doubt you do anything to anyone like me at anytime.



    Did they not cut your last check when you were a greeter? You should have taken it to the labor board.



    Good for you! That's better than your parents buying you a bike! Good for the Otero too! However, I have a hard time listening to people that brag. Kinda weak, you know? If you were all that and a Kenda tire you probably wouldn't have to run around telling everyone those things.



    Wow, you are completly in denial. The DH is the best investment I have purchased so far. It is very quiet, I can only hear the tread as I ride along the paved jogging path. If I stop pedling it makes a faint clicking noise near the rear wheel while I am still rolling. I think it is supposed to do that, though. It shifts like a dream, probably because the guy that tuned it(me)knew what he was doing.

    I'm really sorry you are so angry at my bike. I'm not sure of what it could have done to you to make you so mad, but I promise to have a stern talk with it and ask it to be a little more respectful of the humans that hate it so much.

    People that curse a lot are usually insecure about something. Perhaps you should work on your people skills, spelling and do a little research before opening your mouth and inserting your own foot into it. Just a suggestion. Have a great day and ride safe!

    Next?
    I am actually in 11th grade this year, Thank you..

    I guess if all you do is ride that bike on paved bike paths like you said then I guess the DH would be fine.. I just wouldnt expect it to really last on any real trails..

    Good luck with the warranty parts as for replacement parts for lower end bikes are a joke to try and warranty, Once again I work in a shop I know.. and believe me there will be a time and place where you will need replacement parts due to wear and tear, or you will need a speciality tool to fix something and you will get charged retail at at shop..And yes we do Do that to people like you that buy a department store bike just to save some $ and then think its better then what we have on the floor.. but I guess you saved $50 to start with so I guess your set..

    I have nothing against your bike other then its overpriced for the bike that it is and the lack of service that you get along with it.. I am not "bragging" about anything.. I ride for mongoose and I would never bring down a brand that I ride for, unless I truly feel like something is wrong.. I am simply stating that my slightly educated opinion on what I believe would be in your better interests. In fact I dont think that anyone untill me has really been overly hostile torwards you.. My opinion on your bike being overpriced as compaired to the Otero is something that, I believe 99% of the people that acctually know anything about bikes, would share.. but you have asserted that your right and the rest of us are wrong..

    If you really did know me, then you would know that I am not a person that cusses much at all. And I truly do have great people skills. only when people are so thick skulled and wont listen to the countless people that try to give honest and truthfull help, and only for you to be totally unwilling to listen or take any of it in, I get blown up and not nice..

    And as far as I am concered you are a lost cause, as you are just like a stubborn ass, once it has decided in what it wants, it doesnt matter how many people try and push it to go in the right direction, it still will go the way it wants.. just like you..

    I challange you, as a few others have, to ride a "real" bike from your LBS sometime.. and then I also challenge you to go slap down $450 at a shop and I bet you could walk out with a 09 Otero.. If you want to come to Idaho I could hold one for you.. I know what those wallmart bikes ride like compaired to a real bike.. I used to ride them, And I have to test ride them after I repair them. I am not clueless as to the vast difference between a LBS bike and a Wallmart bike, and all the other people on here know what they are talking about too..

    Its nothing off my back.. Just someone was going to freak on you and its was me that did.. I just feel sorry for all the people that wasted my time on you as you clearly are nothing more then a troll looking for attention.

    Reply with all your dumb little rebuttals that you simply nit-pick wordings and other things inorder to try and pick apart what someone says.. you still arnt getting the big picture here..
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    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    I am actually in 11th grade this year, Thank you..

    I guess if all you do is ride that bike on paved bike paths like you said then I guess the DH would be fine.. I just wouldnt expect it to really last on any real trails..

    Good luck with the warranty parts as for replacement parts for lower end bikes are a joke to try and warranty, Once again I work in a shop I know.. and believe me there will be a time and place where you will need replacement parts due to wear and tear, or you will need a speciality tool to fix something and you will get charged retail at at shop..And yes we do Do that to people like you that buy a department store bike just to save some $ and then think its better then what we have on the floor.. but I guess you saved $50 to start with so I guess your set..

    I have nothing against your bike other then its overpriced for the bike that it is and the lack of service that you get along with it.. I am not "bragging" about anything.. I ride for mongoose and I would never bring down a brand that I ride for, unless I truly feel like something is wrong.. I am simply stating that my slightly educated opinion on what I believe would be in your better interests. In fact I dont think that anyone untill me has really been overly hostile torwards you.. My opinion on your bike being overpriced as compaired to the Otero is something that, I believe 99% of the people that acctually know anything about bikes, would share.. but you have asserted that your right and the rest of us are wrong..

    If you really did know me, then you would know that I am not a person that cusses much at all. And I truly do have great people skills. only when people are so thick skulled and wont listen to the countless people that try to give honest and truthfull help, and only for you to be totally unwilling to listen or take any of it in, I get blown up and not nice..

    And as far as I am concered you are a lost cause, as you are just like a stubborn ass, once it has decided in what it wants, it doesnt matter how many people try and push it to go in the right direction, it still will go the way it wants.. just like you..

    I challange you, as a few others have, to ride a "real" bike from your LBS sometime.. and then I also challenge you to go slap down $450 at a shop and I bet you could walk out with a 09 Otero.. If you want to come to Idaho I could hold one for you.. I know what those wallmart bikes ride like compaired to a real bike.. I used to ride them, And I have to test ride them after I repair them. I am not clueless as to the vast difference between a LBS bike and a Wallmart bike, and all the other people on here know what they are talking about too..

    Its nothing off my back.. Just someone was going to freak on you and its was me that did.. I just feel sorry for all the people that wasted my time on you as you clearly are nothing more then a troll looking for attention.

    Reply with all your dumb little rebuttals that you simply nit-pick wordings and other things inorder to try and pick apart what someone says.. you still arnt getting the big picture here..
    You know, I'm starting to think MP is someone from my site enjoying a bit of trolling.

    Huh MP? WHO ARE YOU???
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    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    I am actually in 11th grade this year, Thank you..
    Wow you must know everything there is to know by now. You are quite welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    I guess if all you do is ride that bike on paved bike paths like you said then I guess the DH would be fine.. I just wouldnt expect it to really last on any real trails..
    I was being sarcastic. You should have known that since you are in the 11th grade.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    Good luck with the warranty parts as for replacement parts for lower end bikes are a joke to try and warranty, Once again I work in a shop I know.. and believe me there will be a time and place where you will need replacement parts due to wear and tear, or you will need a speciality tool to fix something and you will get charged retail at at shop..And yes we do Do that to people like you that buy a department store bike just to save some $ and then think its better then what we have on the floor.. but I guess you saved $50 to start with so I guess your set..
    I don't plan on keeping longer than the warranty. Do you really think that when you buy something that you are making a lifetime commitment to it? This is America kid. Ever heard of planned obsolescence?

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    I have nothing against your bike other then its overpriced for the bike that it is and the lack of service that you get along with it.. I am not "bragging" about anything.. I ride for mongoose and I would never bring down a brand that I ride for, unless I truly feel like something is wrong.. I am simply stating that my slightly educated opinion on what I believe would be in your better interests. In fact I dont think that anyone untill me has really been overly hostile torwards you.. My opinion on your bike being overpriced as compaired to the Otero is something that, I believe 99% of the people that acctually know anything about bikes, would share.. but you have asserted that your right and the rest of us are wrong..
    Well, do you have something against my bike or not. You seem confused. Wake up. You have no clue what is in my best interests. You aren't even old enough to drink yet. You say you arent bragging and then tell me how great you are...again. It is "you're" not "your". It is really hard for me to be offended when you do not make sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    If you really did know me, then you would know that I am not a person that cusses much at all. And I truly do have great people skills. only when people are so thick skulled and wont listen to the countless people that try to give honest and truthfull help, and only for you to be totally unwilling to listen or take any of it in, I get blown up and not nice..
    A little too close to home kid? If it didn't bother you then you probably would not have said anything about it. Well, you were not being nice so what should I do just take it? I'm really sorry I can't be a better victim for you. I do listen to people who don't have a chip on their shoulder providing they have good advice. You just seem to want to yell at someone who has no interest in what you say.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    And as far as I am concered you are a lost cause, as you are just like a stubborn ass, once it has decided in what it wants, it doesnt matter how many people try and push it to go in the right direction, it still will go the way it wants.. just like you..
    More personal attacks? Wow, I think I am really starting to like you because you are so rude to me. It's like I need to be accepted by you..oh wait..no..actually it is having the opposite effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    I challange you, as a few others have, to ride a "real" bike from your LBS sometime.. and then I also challenge you to go slap down $450 at a shop and I bet you could walk out with a 09 Otero.. If you want to come to Idaho I could hold one for you.. I know what those wallmart bikes ride like compaired to a real bike.. I used to ride them, And I have to test ride them after I repair them. I am not clueless as to the vast difference between a LBS bike and a Wallmart bike, and all the other people on here know what they are talking about too..
    The land of potatoes? Cool. I doubt that driving up there is going to make the bike more affordable. Perhaps you could just ship it down here for me. If I rode a "real" bike you would still make fun of it lol. You are clueless because you haven't tested the DH. You have tested other bikes that may or may not be comparable to mine. There is a difference. If you weren't blinded by rage against my bike you might even see that fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    Its nothing off my back.. Just someone was going to freak on you and its was me that did.. I just feel sorry for all the people that wasted my time on you as you clearly are nothing more then a troll looking for attention.
    If it really were nothing you would just walk away and be done with it. I really think you need to check your denial issues. You aren't the only one. Have you seen my fans? They think they know everything too! Usually I just report their posts and they get deleted but you are a special case that I felt I should address. I think without my posts you kids would be bored. I also think the DH is a great value and a rugged trail bike. Perhaps it is you that are stubborn "like the mule" and refuse to accept that your way is not the best way in this world for every case you see.

    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    Reply with all your dumb little rebuttals that you simply nit-pick wordings and other things inorder to try and pick apart what someone says.. you still arnt getting the big picture here..
    Well in case you haven't noticed this is a forum. Do you know what the word forum means? Perhaps it would be better for you if I just let you rattle on and never say anything? Like I said I make a very bad victim for poeple who need to attack someone. You still aren't using spell check or making any real points. Instead you are just acting like a typical kid that thinks he knows everything, calling me names and trashing my bikes performance of which you know nothing about.

    In closing I would like to state that you and three others have missed the point completely, as I have stated it several times and yet no one seems to get it because they are so focused on what I am riding right now. You and the others feel like I must be an idiot that just can't function in life without your help. Sad really, because I made it this far and plan on going much further without you. The point is I got what I wanted, saved money and will have a better bike that you and the others in a matter of months. Did you miss the point again? Are you so angry that you can't see the big picture? Think about what you are attacking me for. A bike. You are attacking someone over a bike. Have you lost your mind? I have never seen so many people get so upset over a bike. I can't stop laughing. But hey, good news, you guys are very entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    lets see, calling us all "little kittens"

    refusing to take your own challenge and seeing if you can go get an Otero for however much you paid for the "DH Team" bike.

    Claiming we don't know jack about your bike when you don't know jack about ours.
    Well, I have never said anything about the bikes you guys ride. I can't get the Otero for the price the "special coupon" guy got his. I was simply stating things about my own when you started in about how much help I need lol. I am still waiting for the rest of you to man up and take the challenge so ya...wow you are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Well, I have never said anything about the bikes you guys ride. I can't get the Otero for the price the "special coupon" guy got his. I was simply stating things about my own when you started in about how much help I need lol. I am still waiting for the rest of you to man up and take the challenge so ya...wow you are good.

    *crickets*

    And what we're saying, and I don't see why you can't get this, is that if YOU go to a local performance bikes, YOU TOO, without any coupons, special discounts, or anything, can probably walk out of there with an Otero for $450.




    Regarding "planned obsolescence."

    That's ridiculous. What's the warranty on your bike, a year? To only have a bike a year, or less as was the case for your XR 200, is not in any way efficient or financailly sound. You want to ride now, I understand that, but hell just borrow some money and get the bike you want. (I would suggest against the $7000 bike, but its your money). At the current interest rates you'd save money AND get to ride (a nice-ass bike) NOW rather than constantly buying and selling bikes. It's a win-win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    And what we're saying, and I don't see why you can't get this, is that if YOU go to a local performance bikes, YOU TOO, without any coupons, special discounts, or anything, can probably walk out of there with an Otero for $450.




    Regarding "planned obsolescence."

    That's ridiculous. What's the warranty on your bike, a year? To only have a bike a year, or less as was the case for your XR 200, is not in any way efficient or financailly sound. You want to ride now, I understand that, but hell just borrow some money and get the bike you want. (I would suggest against the $7000 bike, but its your money). At the current interest rates you'd save money AND get to ride (a nice-ass bike) NOW rather than constantly buying and selling bikes. It's a win-win.

    I think its funny. If it bothers you so much why do you keep following me around these forums acting like a troll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    You have no clue what you are talking about. I have a shiny new bike every 4-6 months and you and your close minded little friends just can't stand it. I think its funny. If it bothers you so much why do you keep following me around these forums acting like a troll? Go bother someone else kid.

    The point isn't to have a new bike every few months. The point is to have a bike you like so much you keep it for a few YEARS. But feel free to continue wasting money by filling Mr. Walton's pockets.

    Don't get a better bike for the same price. Don't even TRY to get the better bike at the same price, evne though you could...




    I'm posting here not for your benefit, but for that of anyone else who stumbles upon this thread.

    Other people: walmart bikes have a place. If they are all you can afford, fine (though you should be able to find a much better used HT at similar prices). If it gets you riding thats a good thing.

    But they are ultimately heavy and unreliable, if you find you like the sport, I encourage you to save up for an entry level hard tail. Just try it, I think you'll find the difference to be remarkable. You can upgrade it as parts break, or if you really want to drop some serious dough on a super-nice bike.



    Buying a bike every six months is, and I can't believe I have to point this out, not a very good idea. Some people ride 10, 15, 20 year old bikes, because they can last that long.
    It's be like buying a new car every year.
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    after 4-6 months of riding your "team DH" that thing is going to be whipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjonesin420
    after 4-6 months of riding your "team DH" that thing is going to be whipped
    I seriously doubt that but why would I care anyway when I am trading up?
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    a real bike shop will not take that bike in trade and you will be lucky to find someone that will give you $200 for a bike from walmart

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjonesin420
    a real bike shop will not take that bike in trade and you will be lucky to find someone that will give you $200 for a bike from walmart
    No one said anything about a bike shop and you have no clue what someone would pay for this bike. Especially if they are not you. I am very happy that I don't live in your world because no one would ever be allowed to win.
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    you said you were trading up - where do you plan on trading it? Walmart? I used to work at a bike shop that sold real Mongoose bikes and we would have never taken that bike in trade for anything. I do have to admit that for a Walmart bike it is pretty nice. Alot better spec then most of them. Good luck finding someone to buy it.

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    If you keep trading up every few months, how are you ever going to really learn the bike and all its characteristics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjonesin420
    you said you were trading up - where do you plan on trading it? Walmart? I used to work at a bike shop that sold real Mongoose bikes and we would have never taken that bike in trade for anything. I do have to admit that for a Walmart bike it is pretty nice. Alot better spec then most of them. Good luck finding someone to buy it.
    The Team DH is a great bike. The XR200 I had was also a great bike. Every day there is someone out there that wants a great bike. They don't work at Walmart or at an LBS. Do some research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    Wow you must know everything there is to know by now. You are quite welcome!



    I was being sarcastic. You should have known that since you are in the 11th grade.



    I don't plan on keeping longer than the warranty. Do you really think that when you buy something that you are making a lifetime commitment to it? This is America kid. Ever heard of planned obsolescence?



    Well, do you have something against my bike or not. You seem confused. Wake up. You have no clue what is in my best interests. You aren't even old enough to drink yet. You say you arent bragging and then tell me how great you are...again. It is "you're" not "your". It is really hard for me to be offended when you do not make sense.



    A little too close to home kid? If it didn't bother you then you probably would not have said anything about it. Well, you were not being nice so what should I do just take it? I'm really sorry I can't be a better victim for you. I do listen to people who don't have a chip on their shoulder providing they have good advice. You just seem to want to yell at someone who has no interest in what you say.



    More personal attacks? Wow, I think I am really starting to like you because you are so rude to me. It's like I need to be accepted by you..oh wait..no..actually it is having the opposite effect.



    The land of potatoes? Cool. I doubt that driving up there is going to make the bike more affordable. Perhaps you could just ship it down here for me. If I rode a "real" bike you would still make fun of it lol. You are clueless because you haven't tested the DH. You have tested other bikes that may or may not be comparable to mine. There is a difference. If you weren't blinded by rage against my bike you might even see that fact.



    If it really were nothing you would just walk away and be done with it. I really think you need to check your denial issues. You aren't the only one. Have you seen my fans? They think they know everything too! Usually I just report their posts and they get deleted but you are a special case that I felt I should address. I think without my posts you kids would be bored. I also think the DH is a great value and a rugged trail bike. Perhaps it is you that are stubborn "like the mule" and refuse to accept that your way is not the best way in this world for every case you see.



    Well in case you haven't noticed this is a forum. Do you know what the word forum means? Perhaps it would be better for you if I just let you rattle on and never say anything? Like I said I make a very bad victim for poeple who need to attack someone. You still aren't using spell check or making any real points. Instead you are just acting like a typical kid that thinks he knows everything, calling me names and trashing my bikes performance of which you know nothing about.

    In closing I would like to state that you and three others have missed the point completely, as I have stated it several times and yet no one seems to get it because they are so focused on what I am riding right now. You and the others feel like I must be an idiot that just can't function in life without your help. Sad really, because I made it this far and plan on going much further without you. The point is I got what I wanted, saved money and will have a better bike that you and the others in a matter of months. Did you miss the point again? Are you so angry that you can't see the big picture? Think about what you are attacking me for. A bike. You are attacking someone over a bike. Have you lost your mind? I have never seen so many people get so upset over a bike. I can't stop laughing. But hey, good news, you guys are very entertaining.

    I am done.. the sad thing is that I am in 11th grade and should I have so many people try and help me, I would have listened to them.. slightly sad that a teenager is more open minded then you.. but hey you got you "rugged trail bike" so have fun and I hope you someday realize how much people really were trying to help you.. have fun on your dh and who knows, that bike might just remove you from the genetic gene pool.. that was darwins theory right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swan3609
    I am done.. the sad thing is that I am in 11th grade and should I have so many people try and help me, I would have listened to them.. slightly sad that a teenager is more open minded then you.. but hey you got you "rugged trail bike" so have fun and I hope you someday realize how much people really were trying to help you.. have fun on your dh and who knows, that bike might just remove you from the genetic gene pool.. that was darwins theory right?
    So far no one has really helped. Instead they talk about how horrible my bike is and how it gets people injured and even killed. They talk about how cheap and fragile it is. Like you. I can't find any stats that support those claims but if that is what you consider good advice then you truly have a lot to learn. You don't have to keep repeating that you are in the 11th grade. I think we all got it the first time. As far as the gene pool is concerned I think you are much more eligible for the win than I am. Good luck on your win. I am rooting for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    So far no one has really helped. Instead they talk about how horrible my bike is and how it gets people injured and even killed. They talk about how cheap and fragile it is. Like you. I can't find any stats that support those claims but if that is what you consider good advice then you truly have a lot to learn. You don't have to keep repeating that you are in the 11th grade. I think we all got it the first time. As far as the gene pool is concerned I think you are much more eligible for the win than I am. Good luck on your win. I am rooting for you.
    I never said the Team DH was going to get you injured or killed.

    I have merely stated that

    A. you could get an Otero for the same price

    B. Getting a new bike every 6 months is a waste of money
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    I never said the Team DH was going to get you injured or killed.

    I have merely stated that

    A. you could get an Otero for the same price

    B. Getting a new bike every 6 months is a waste of money
    "people" may not have been you. I like you enough to attack you personally(read by name)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
    If you keep trading up every few months, how are you ever going to really learn the bike and all its characteristics?
    Now I should learn every nuance of a bike that isn't safe? The faster I roll out these short goals the sooner I get a bike that people stop throwing rocks at.

    Right?

    Actually, just about the time I feel comfortable with any bike it is almost time to flip it. I really thought the avid mtbr's traded every season or so anyway. Keep a bike too long and it becomes trashed. Nothing like a new bike that needs a good tune and break in. It is therapy for some, work for others.

    How long do you keep a bike, Bug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    "people" may not have been you. I like you enough to attack you personally(read by name)
    If you want to attack me might I suggest going to the website in the sig. We'll rip you a new one faster than you can say "Walgoose".




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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    If you want to attack me might I suggest going to the website in the sig. We'll rip you a new one faster than you can say "Walgoose".




    Unless, of course, you're chicken.
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    I bet its quiet there..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose Pilot
    f88me: Most users ever online was 147

    MTBr: Most users ever online was 13,605

    I bet its quiet there..
    Bawwk bawwwk bawwk.

    Its a user group far more dedicated than MTBR, quiet would be the opposite of how I would describe it
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