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    Mongoose is crap, here is the proof

    This is a Canaan Elite. And yes I own one also, in fact we both have the same bike. His is less than 60 days old, mine 3 weeks. Mine will be going back to Performance for a full refund. I'm not taking any chances, I mean he is lucky to be alive and this happened while riding on smooth ground at the bottom of a gully. I hope the rest of you guys have better luck. I would be carefull and inspect the welds and the holes where the water bottle cages are drilled. It appears that a crack formed at the water bottle bolt hole, and spread from there during the compression part of the gully. The welds look ok but the metal looks like it was weakened from too much heat during the build process and it just broke away from the weld.
    It's too bad because the bike rides great and has fantastic components for the price. But it looks like maybe the frames are less than good quality. Well at least his was for sure.
    Please be carefull and check your out too be safe.







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    Holy sh*t!! That is the definition of catastrophic failure. Glad you're friend is ok. That is horrible.

    Can you repost the links to the 4 other pics that aren't working please.

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    Try these.
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken5.jpg

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    Sorry it doesnt work.
    Just drag the first one into your address bar and then change the numbers to 2,3,4,5 and you can see his picks.

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    at least the headtube gusset worked


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    Riding on smooth ground?

    Quote Originally Posted by cbip
    (snip) ...and this happened while riding on smooth ground at the bottom of a gully... (snip)
    I'm glad everyone is OK! I hope the dealer and manufacturer refund/replace the busted frame!

    I'm just wondering, how is it possible that EVERY failure picture that gets posted on the interweb happens while "riding on smooth ground".

    Come on, be honest - could there have been some rough treatment that lead to the failure?
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    No bad treatment, unless you are not supposeed to ride a mountain bike on trails. No jumps just trail rides on smooth and rocky trails. It broke at the bottom of a smooth trail that is like a roller coaster type run.

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    Wow...I'm suprised it broke in so many places.

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    Hmmmm, I call BS. I don't like mongeese either, but I don't think the frame suffered a failure in 3 places at once on a "smooth ground." Did you by any chance score the tubes so they would break and you could send it back becasue you actually hated the bike?

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    Everything that I said is the truth. I dont want to belive it either because I own the exact same bike and I really like the ride and components that came on it. And the price was a steal also. But I really dont feel like I can take the chance that it is not a design flaw or poor workmanship in this bike frame. Since he and I both weigh about the same, I feel like I would be pushing my luck to keep riding mine. The trail is called the Wall and the location is Rocky Hill Ranch outside of Austin.
    I'm sure someone else has been there and can tell you what it is like. A bike should'nt fail doing what it was designed to do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbip
    Everything that I said is the truth. I dont want to belive it either because I own the exact same bike and I really like the ride and components that came on it. And the price was a steal also. But I really dont feel like I can take the chance that it is not a design flaw or poor workmanship in this bike frame. Since he and I both weigh about the same, I feel like I would be pushing my luck to keep riding mine. The trail is called the Wall and the location is Rocky Hill Ranch outside of Austin.
    I'm sure someone else has been there and can tell you what it is like. A bike should'nt fail doing what it was designed to do!
    Okay, I guess I'll take your word for it. Keep us enlightened on what Mongoose says!!!(You are gonna tell them right?)

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    I doubt mongoose would believe that either. Most companies stand behind their workmanship and any frame that busts in 3 pieces riding on flat is obviously a piece of junk.

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    He sent emails to Performance, Mongoose and I think Pacific Cycles. The only one who replied was Performance and they said " sorry for your bad experience, take your bike back to the store manager and he will give you a full refund". No ****! You can get a full refund on anything you buy from Performance, whether it is broken or not, at any time. Its called the Performance 100% satisfaction guarantee. No questions asked. Just tell them you are not satisfied with the product and you will get a full refund.
    Well at least Performance replyed. He hasnt heard a peep from Mongoose.

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    I've sold a few of those bikes myself and never heard of any issues. that being said, it's a marathon racer-style bike, and I wouldn't go with one for general trail riding. Yeah it might be doable as far as travel and geometry and components go, but it is built to be light and needs a good rider. But this would also explain why mongoose has been so loud about proclaiming that the '08 version is much stronger. Sorry for the issues, I love the bike too, almost got one if it wasn't for the GT Force coming out!

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    Where can we buy a gt force though? I'm liking them but cant find a dealer.

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    performancebikes is your best bet, only GT dealers around where I am atleast. Plus the aforementioned 100% satisfaction thing. The bikes are coming into the country mid-november according to a GT guy I spoke to a month ago.

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    I am wondering how this story ended? I assume by now you also know that Mongoose and GT are part of the same company, so I won't belabor that. Looks like Mongoose held up their end of the deal in that the welds held up. Well atleast we know where the weight saving is on these bikes :-)

    Anyone else had any prons like this?

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    Pacific Cycles ended up taking the broken Mongoose back and gave him a GT Marathon in return. It seems to be a very nice bike and he says it climbs very well. I wondered if by not giving him another Mongoose Canaan Elite, they were acknowledging a problem with that frame design, but I think they just figured he wouldnt want another one for peace of mind reasons.
    My Canaan has been great so far, although I am in the process of getting a Titus Racer X. I think maybe he got the bad apple of the bunch. Although they say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree.

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    Cool deal! Interesting point about Pacific's actions. I hear good things about the Racer X. Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbip
    I wondered if by not giving him another Mongoose Canaan Elite, they were acknowledging a problem with that frame design, but I think they just figured he wouldnt want another one for peace of mind reasons.
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    Or they simply didn't have any Canaan Elites on hand. If you warranty a Specialized frame(no one's EVER had to do that ) and it was even like 6 months old you usually ended up getting a later model because they sell out fairly quickly after release and they only make a predetermined batch.
    I would say if you're riding yours on flat ground too and haven't fallen on your ass like probably 300 other Canaan owners in the US, I'd say it's obviously pretty safe to say he got a bad apple. It's a bicycle, not a Bugatti, stuff breaks, no biggie.
    Ride. Break. Replace. Repeat.

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    These are the same pics from John that are posted in the reviews section where he admits that he crashed to make the frame break apart. Read the end of his review.

    http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/xc_full_...t_128481.shtml

    I have a Canaan Elite and have had great fun with it...after replacing the pedals and tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheekiTiki
    These are the same pics from John that are posted in the reviews section where he admits that he crashed to make the frame break apart. Read the end of his review.

    http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/xc_full_...t_128481.shtml

    I have a Canaan Elite and have had great fun with it...after replacing the pedals and tires.
    He doesn't say that he crashed and caused it to break he says that it broke and he crashed. It probably broken in one spot and that caused him to crash and caused much further damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turt99
    He doesn't say that he crashed and caused it to break he says that it broke and he crashed. It probably broken in one spot and that caused him to crash and caused much further damage.

    Whoops...my bad. You're right. I still find it hard to believe that a frame could break like that. Hope that I have a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheekiTiki
    Whoops...my bad. You're right. I still find it hard to believe that a frame could break like that. Hope that I have a good one.
    Well, let me answer everyone who thinks that the bike is a good bike. My Mongoose Canaan Elite also broke. And it broke in the exact same spot John's broke. Luckly i did not get hurt and caught it before a serious injury. The bike is a piece of crap. It has a design or manufacturing flaw and I would suggest that anyone who has one return it before you get seriously hurt.

    Check your bike frame right above the welds for the shock mount and also the seat stay/cage that holds the seat tube up. You will find small cracks/fractures if your frame is giving way.

    Performance has treated me very well since the frame broke and I was given a new bike , not a Mongoose, as a replacement. It is a much superior bike than the Mongoose in every way, should have bought this one first and saved the ********.

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    So it sounds like the '07 Canaan had a design of mfg flaw. I don't think that can be generalized to the entire Mongoose lineup. But...

    I cracked the rear triangle of my '05 Teocali Super after about 2500 miles. Mongoose (through Performance) replaced it for free. Other than that setback, I have really enjoyed the bike.

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    Yes, I should have titled it the Mongoose Canaan Elite is crap! But you never know, maybe there other bikes are suspect also. I hope not for the owners sake, not Pacific Cycles.

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    I think that could be a couple things. one possibility is a bad alloy, or an error on the part of the tubing manufacturer. however, whats more likely is improper heat treatment if its 6061. welding on thin wall tubing (and all metal for that matter) creates what is known as a "heat effected zone" which changes the metal on a molecular level, creates a weak point in the metal by allowing the atoms to basically become all jumbled up. if heat treatment is not done correctly, ie: wrong temp, or it cools too quickly, you will end up with no gain in strength, and sometimes weakened metal. the reason i say this is due to where it broke. from what i can see in the photos, it broke NEAR welds, but no welds broke, which is a classic sign of a heat effected zone failure.
    thats just my 2 cents from a welders point of view. either way, quality controll is lacking, and could have resulted in some serious injury... sorry you had to deal with that, but at least the bike is replaced and nobody was seriously injured.

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    not all Mongoose r bad , 3yrs of dh and me still in god shape . look for pics NXDH...

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    You guys who had frame failure need to report this. That's some serious ****.

    http://www.cpsc.gov/

    http://www.cpsc.gov/talk.html

    https://www.cpsc.gov/cgibin/incident.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbip
    Well, let me answer everyone who thinks that the bike is a good bike. My Mongoose Canaan Elite also broke. And it broke in the exact same spot John's broke. Luckly i did not get hurt and caught it before a serious injury. The bike is a piece of crap. It has a design or manufacturing flaw and I would suggest that anyone who has one return it before you get seriously hurt.

    Check your bike frame right above the welds for the shock mount and also the seat stay/cage that holds the seat tube up. You will find small cracks/fractures if your frame is giving way.

    Performance has treated me very well since the frame broke and I was given a new bike , not a Mongoose, as a replacement. It is a much superior bike than the Mongoose in every way, should have bought this one first and saved the ********.
    My guess is that you got an MkIII or an Azure instead.

    I've done some ridiculously stupid things on my only slight-overbuilt MkIII, and it's taken all the jumping, freeriding, and 4-foot drops to flat I can throw at it. I'm 170lbs. with gear.

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    Scary

    I've never been a big Mongoose fan. As for Performance, I would just stick to buying tubes and bike clothes there. Here are the links corrected so they can be viewed:

    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken5.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbip
    He sent emails to Performance, Mongoose and I think Pacific Cycles. The only one who replied was Performance and they said " sorry for your bad experience, take your bike back to the store manager and he will give you a full refund". No ****! You can get a full refund on anything you buy from Performance, whether it is broken or not, at any time. Its called the Performance 100% satisfaction guarantee. No questions asked. Just tell them you are not satisfied with the product and you will get a full refund.
    Well at least Performance replyed. He hasnt heard a peep from Mongoose.

    How long does this guarentee last for after you buy a product?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calikid22
    How long does this guarentee last for after you buy a product?
    No time limit.

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    Did you snap it apart after it cracked? I've never seen anything like that.

    Did the shock bottom on a heavy landing, post big jump?

    Glad you are OK. You could have been killed.

    I still bought one though.

    There were stories of GT STS frame snapping back in 1997 but I bought a first gen. It was the best bike I ever owned, never broke and was stolen in 2002. How you ride has to be a factor.

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    I've really enjoyed my '05 Teocali so I hate to post this, but this happened about a month ago.

    <a href="http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa270/ddauwalt/?action=view&current=DSC00788.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa270/ddauwalt/DSC00788.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    Note the 1 ft drop in the background.

    <a href="http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa270/ddauwalt/?action=view&current=DSC00789.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa270/ddauwalt/DSC00789.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    Notice that I had to replace the rear triangle about 150 miles earlier. Actually, everything has been giving out on my bike at about the same time, around 2600-2800 miles. I don't really attribute this to Mongoose quality but to the fact that I'm about 235lbs and ride hard. I don't do over 3 ft drops (mostly under 2 ft), but I've bombed down Porcupine Rim at 35-40mph and really rip other downs.

    I've been really happy with the 'goose warranty. First they warrentied my cracked rear triangle. Next my rear suspension linkage. Finally, after the frame wreck above, Mongoose sent me a brand new '05 frame, including rear triangle but excluding the shock.

    Again, I think its a combo of miles, my weight, and my riding style. I would buy another 'goose, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY KEEP GIVING ME NEW AND FREE STUFF (I go through Performance for warranty work).

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    No good

    I have a couple questions and statments on this...

    1.) I dont guess anyone has ever seen this type of damage happen to any other well known brand of bike???

    2.) If your answer to question 1 was yes, then if this where a trek, kona, cannondale, shwinn, etc. would we be having this discussion?

    3.) If your answer to question 2 was yes would the topic read "XXXX brand is CRAP?"

    I rest my case and,
    need I say more?

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    Well I bought my 2007 Canaan Elite even after reading this thread. I'm 205 lbs (fat) - I should be 160. I'll report back on any failures.

    So far I love the bike - a lot.

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    I love my 8 teocali super as well, no problems here. To say a company is crap is a far stretch from the truth. A handful of users experience problems which equates to a small fraction of the total consumers. People usually only voice their opinion when they have a problem, and like others have said, you think the other bike frame manufacturers don't have problems like this as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbip
    This is a Canaan Elite. And yes I own one also, in fact we both have the same bike. His is less than 60 days old, mine 3 weeks. Mine will be going back to Performance for a full refund. I'm not taking any chances, I mean he is lucky to be alive and this happened while riding on smooth ground at the bottom of a gully. I hope the rest of you guys have better luck. I would be carefull and inspect the welds and the holes where the water bottle cages are drilled. It appears that a crack formed at the water bottle bolt hole, and spread from there during the compression part of the gully. The welds look ok but the metal looks like it was weakened from too much heat during the build process and it just broke away from the weld.
    It's too bad because the bike rides great and has fantastic components for the price. But it looks like maybe the frames are less than good quality. Well at least his was for sure.
    Please be carefull and check your out too be safe.


    http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jss/canaan/broken1.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken2.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken3.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken4.jpg
    http://www.cs. utexas.edu/ ~jss/canaan/ broken5.jpg
    Maybe the folks who head up current Gooses' are crap, but I own a 1996 Hilltopper (rebuilt) that still thrills my soul to this day! (Maybe some Mongoose martyr makers took over)... ... ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    Maybe the folks who head up current Gooses' are crap, but I own a 1996 Hilltopper (rebuilt) that still thrills my soul to this day! (Maybe some Mongoose martyr makers took over)... ... ...




    Now im worried because i just ordered the 2006 Mongoose Pro Wing Elite and i hope is not a bad one. Does anyone know of this bike has it broken before on someone else or is it a good bike??

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    Don't worry about it. There is very little chance of it breaking (all brands have frames that crack), and Mongoose has a great lifetime warranty. Just make sure you keep your reciept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauwalt
    Don't worry about it. There is very little chance of it breaking (all brands have frames that crack), and Mongoose has a great lifetime warranty. Just make sure you keep your reciept.




    Hey Dauwalt thanks so much for your time, i was concerned about this issue. i ordered the bike from amazon yesterday i will receive it on tuesday. will i have problems with it been bought there, and been that is a 2006 model, and does this bike really have a lifetime warranty?

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    The review says "it happened on the 8th time I rode it", but the photos show a lot of rust and dirt for a bike ridden 8 times.

    It doesn't take a lot of looking to find broken frames from manufacturers large and small.

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    I bought my '05 Teocali new on ebay (Aug. '05), and Performance Bicycles still does warranty work for me (and Mongoose works willingly with them). Hopefully you have a Mongoose dealer nearby.

    Happy riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauwalt
    I bought my '05 Teocali new on ebay (Aug. '05), and Performance Bicycles still does warranty work for me (and Mongoose works willingly with them). Hopefully you have a Mongoose dealer nearby.

    Happy riding.
    Ok, do you know anything about this bike or someone that might of have it 2006 Mongoose Pro wing Elite? because if there is issues with this one i will return it back to amazon

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauwalt
    Don't worry about it. There is very little chance of it breaking (all brands have frames that crack), and Mongoose has a great lifetime warranty. Just make sure you keep your reciept.
    I'm seriously considering a 2008 Teocali Super. Seems like an outstanding bike for the money. However, I'm not as concerned with Mongoose's warranty as much as death and dismemberment from one of these catastrophic failures.

    Anyone care to share some recent opinions or reassurances that this may be an issue they have successfully put behind them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM
    I'm seriously considering a 2008 Teocali Super. Seems like an outstanding bike for the money. However, I'm not as concerned with Mongoose's warranty as much as death and dismemberment from one of these catastrophic failures.

    Anyone care to share some recent opinions or reassurances that this may be an issue they have successfully put behind them?

    As mentioned above all companies have frames that crack or fail,just check out the Rocky Mountain forum and others and you'll find them.From what I can tell it wasn't a wide spread problem,no re-calls or anything like that,but they did re-enforce the frames on the Elite and Team models for 08.

    I bought an Mongoose Team frame that's being built up right now,I can't wait to get it.I will give my impressions and post pictures when I get the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRed
    As mentioned above all companies have frames that crack or fail,just check out the Rocky Mountain forum and others and you'll find them.From what I can tell it wasn't a wide spread problem,no re-calls or anything like that,but they did re-enforce the frames on the Elite and Team models for 08.
    Amen brotha'

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    hmm, is that to say they did not reinforce the Super frame? maybe I'm better off building up an Elite. I'd actually prefer a Pike and SRAM drivetrain to the Marzocchi/Shimano on the Super anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM
    hmm, is that to say they did not reinforce the Super frame? maybe I'm better off building up an Elite. I'd actually prefer a Pike and SRAM drivetrain to the Marzocchi/Shimano on the Super anyway.

    The reason they did that for the Canaan Elite and Team was because they were the ones having the rare failure problems,I don't think it affected the others.I just got my Team build back today,it's very nice!I can post a pic or two if you like.

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    Interesting. I've got an '05 Teocali Super thats been used and abused on 6' to flats, and its been pretty low maintenence. Replaced the needle bearings on the lower link about two months ago, and thats it. This might be due to my low weight (150lbs,) and generally smooth riding style, but I'll still be keeping an eye out for any problems.

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    I didnt have the patience to read ALL the posts, so sorry if this is repetitious, but I figured Id give my 0.02. Yeah this is a rare occurrence along with some over zealous story telling by this guy. The fracture on the bottom tube is a brittle fracture which means a crack was probably formed during the manufacturing process, it happens. You can tell by the sharp abrupt edges where the failure occurred. The top tube failed due to bending after the bottom gave out, you can tell by the pinching and plastic deformation, which was caused during use, and not during mfg. To bend and break a 6061 tube isnt an easy task. So to completely to break that top tube like that takes alot of force...even after the bottom tube giving out. This bike is an XC bike and it was probably used for DH type stuff. Face it some bikes have limitations. Mongoose makes good bikes, dont let their dept. store stigma, and others egos and marketing sway your opinion. They are bikes with great value, and the reason they are cheaper, price wise not quality, is they sell higher volumes due to there dept bikes, which is run by completely different people. For those who just bought a mongoose, and for those looking to for a new ride, I hope this eases the worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prestavalve
    Interesting. I've got an '05 Teocali Super thats been used and abused on 6' to flats, and its been pretty low maintenence. Replaced the needle bearings on the lower link about two months ago, and thats it. This might be due to my low weight (150lbs,) and generally smooth riding style, but I'll still be keeping an eye out for any problems.
    where did you get your replacement bearings? I just ordered replacement bearings for my '05 Teocali from EnduroSeals (Real World Cycling), but the package did NOT include the sleeves that sit inside the needle bearings (between the needle bearings and bolt) and that also is scored and needs to be replaced. Anyone know where I can order those online? There is no local Mongoose retailers in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM
    hmm, is that to say they did not reinforce the Super frame? maybe I'm better off building up an Elite. I'd actually prefer a Pike and SRAM drivetrain to the Marzocchi/Shimano on the Super anyway.
    Most likely its the same frame.

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    Were there any signs that your canaan elite was going to give way prior to the frame failure? The reason I ask is that I have a canaan elite (2007) and it is making some wicked creaking sounds and my local performance has yet to get the creaking sound out of the frame. They have regreased the bottom bracket and replaced the bb bearings twice, but it still creaks. Any thoughts? MY local performance has my bike right now, so I can't inspect it, but I am getting concerned with all the frame failure I have seen on the web. Thanks for your advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starSIXEDit
    Were there any signs that your canaan elite was going to give way prior to the frame failure? The reason I ask is that I have a canaan elite (2007) and it is making some wicked creaking sounds and my local performance has yet to get the creaking sound out of the frame. They have regreased the bottom bracket and replaced the bb bearings twice, but it still creaks. Any thoughts? MY local performance has my bike right now, so I can't inspect it, but I am getting concerned with all the frame failure I have seen on the web. Thanks for your advice.

    -Ryan
    Check your pivot bearings. One of mine was causing an extremely annoying creak that I originally thought was the external bb bearings or lower link bearings. The one of the main bearings was a little dry so the bolt was turning inside the bearing instead of the bearing turning...I think. At a minumum, regrease. I replaced mine with an Enduro bearing kit, but Mongoose has a good warranty so they might send you a set if Performance finds a bearing to be the culprit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starSIXEDit
    Were there any signs that your canaan elite was going to give way prior to the frame failure? The reason I ask is that I have a canaan elite (2007) and it is making some wicked creaking sounds and my local performance has yet to get the creaking sound out of the frame. They have regreased the bottom bracket and replaced the bb bearings twice, but it still creaks. Any thoughts? MY local performance has my bike right now, so I can't inspect it, but I am getting concerned with all the frame failure I have seen on the web. Thanks for your advice.

    -Ryan
    Yes, both bikes that failed started shifting by themselves while riding. This was caused by the frame flexing before it failed. Watch for ghost shifting or other shifting issues, it could be frame flex or bending causing it to happen.

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    Cool, Thanks for the advice guys. I'll let you know what performance says tomorrow.

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    I own an '08 teocali comp which has been put through the worst abuse that Arizona trails have to offer (including some crazy dh runs). The frame design is very similar to the canaan. I just don't think this story is all it's worked up to be. Even if a small crack had developed due to production there should have been some signs leading up to this event. Abnormal flex, maybe some irregular noise, something to give reason to maybe inspect the bike before the next ride. I put my bike through torture, and when I do I promptly give it a thorough cleansing, inspection, and adjustment before my next ride. Anyone who does not properly care for their equipment is asking for trouble no matter what manufaturer the frame came from. I will not be surprised if a new catastrophic event occurs with the GT marathon it was replaced with. When that post arrives I suppose there will be no fault at hand either. Give me a break!! Oh wait, you did... I saw the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshwalee
    Anyone who does not properly care for their equipment is asking for trouble no matter what manufacturer the frame came from.
    That, my friends, is the moral of this story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bends But Doesn't Break
    That, my friends, is the moral of this story.

    The stupidity of some people is really depressing. No matter what he had done to take care of the bike the bike was going to fail. It was being used as intended and failed because of defects in design, constuction and quality control. Period, end of argument. Anyone who was there at the time it happened feel free to spreak up. Oh thats right, none of you were there or have the least bit of a clue to the truth of this story. If you dont want to belive it is 100% true thats your problem. In fact, maybe you should go buy a Mongoose Cannan Elite and ride it on some trails. If you weigh 220 or more just get a life insurance policy, you may need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbip
    If you weigh 220 or more just get a life insurance policy, you may need it.
    1. No matter how well or poorly a bike is made, if the rider abuses it, it's going to fail.

    2. Especially if you're fat (and that goes double for the life-insurance tip).

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    After now 8 trips back to Performance with my 2007 Mongoose Canaan Elite, my next trip this weekend is going to be to return the bike. The bike rides awesome, but the pivots are constantly creaking and loosening up. I'm only 160 pounds and I have never experienced such an annoyingly loud suspension system. People I ride with even comment on the creaking coming from my bike. Looks like my next bike will be a Scott Spark or Genius, let's hope that works better for me.

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    After now 8 trips back to Performance with my 2007 Mongoose Canaan Elite, my next trip this weekend is going to be to return the bike. The bike rides awesome, but the pivots are constantly creaking and loosening up. I'm only 160 pounds and I have never experienced such an annoyingly loud suspension system. People I ride with even comment on the creaking coming from my bike. Looks like my next bike will be a Scott Spark or Genius, let's hope that works better for me.

    I strongly recommend that you do not give up on a bike due to a noise. What is going to happen when you trade it and suddenly develop a noise in your new bike? Will that bike be returned as well?
    Think about it. You're talking about a noise from a frame which consists of a main triangle, a rear triangle, a sub-frame, and a link along with eight seperate bearings! This bike has a lot going on, however, if you approach it logically it will treat you right.
    You should learn two things by taking it to Performance:
    1- Most Performance employees know little to nothing about bikes. It becomes a game of little trial, and lots of error.

    2- Obviously the noise is not in your bb if it's been taken out and re-greased (twice!).

    Honestly there is not a whole lot that can go wrong with your bottom bracket. It's a sealed unit. It's either tight/loose, free spinning/bad. If your cups are tight then try taking you chain off the chain ring and spin the crank. If it sounds ok, then it's most likely ok.

    You say your pivot bolts have a tendency to come loose... Take them all out, clean everything well, lube it all with some nice silicone grease, and invest in some loctite. The loctite will keep everything where it needs to be, and the silicone grease will help seal everything from foreign debris which can cause noise if it should make it's way beneath a bolt head.

    You're riding a bike on trails that could beat the heck outta most cars! Your bike takes abuse. Clean it regularly and inspect it. Don't just clean the outside, instead go a little further. Noise can come from anywhere, and it's usually in the last place you expect to find it. Remove things like your seat post and wipe it clean of foreign particles. Wipe inside your seat tube. Remove and wipe your seat clamp. Remove your bar stem and wipe your steerer tube and spacers if you run them. It's the small places that make the worst noises!

    I spent nearly three weeks chasing down a knock which I was convinced was a bb gone bad. Turned out to be some grit in my seat tube. Cleaned it out, lightly greased the inside of the tube, and magic!!! Never has that bike made a noise again.

    I'm not going to argue that your Canaan is the best bike for the money, or that it's a horrible bike. Only you can make that choice. All I'm saying is, if you really like the way it rides, then give it a chance and find out where this noise is coming from. Nothing is more enjoyable than a noise free bike. Also, don't let someone elses horror stories doubt your bike. Use it for what it's made and it should hold up, abuse it and it will most likely break. I'm tired of reading xc bike reviews that start off with, "all I did was make a 6' to flat drop and the thing broke!".

    Enough venting... Hope any of this helped...

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    Thanks for the reply Josh. The snow has started falling here in Colorado so I'm going to have some time to really take apart the bike and re-grease things, but I am still just a bit hesitant with doing all this labor on my own. I feel like my bike may be just a lemon. I'm going to my local performance this weekend and see what they can do, maybe swap it out for the 2009 model that has improved bearings and pivot bolts. I guess you can say I'm just overly dissatisfied and frustrated with the bike. I am thankful I did buy this bike from Performance however, because if I do end up returning it they take it back for a full refund. I'll let you know what I end up doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starSIXEDit
    After now 8 trips back to Performance with my 2007 Mongoose Canaan Elite, my next trip this weekend is going to be to return the bike. The bike rides awesome, but the pivots are constantly creaking and loosening up. I'm only 160 pounds and I have never experienced such an annoyingly loud suspension system. People I ride with even comment on the creaking coming from my bike. Looks like my next bike will be a Scott Spark or Genius, let's hope that works better for me.

    -Ryan
    Hey guys, I signed up specially to tell you this. I'm riding a 2006 Teocali Super.
    I had exactly the same creaking problem you guys are talking about. It drove me mad. I replaced all of the bearings, regreased the BB, checked the seatpost, checked the headset etc.

    I was also very worried that the frame was creaking from a crack or damage. A friend easily solved this problem once and for all for me though. One day while out riding I got him to crouch next to the frame and listen for the exact spot where the creak was coming from, while I flexed the bike by sitting on it.

    Turned out to the FRONT DERAILURE GEAR CABLE. The section where the cable goes from the mainframe to the swingarm. When moving, the swingarm bends this cable and it creaks in the gusset. I was using BBB cables with aluminium sleeves, changed to plastics. They creaked less, but the solution is to grease the cables where they meet the frame. Hope this helps. PM me if you need further explaining. It sorted my lovely bike out right away. She's quiet now.

    Oh, and for those of you who might worry about the integrity of the frames. Dont. They are great. I have ridden my bike for a couple of years now. I abuse the hell out of this bike. Bombing down hills, rock gardens, drop offs, jumps. It handles it all and can take more. I'm not one of these guys to fuss and primp over my ride, washing it all the time etc. I just lube the chain and go.

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    So I finally had a chance to get up to my local performance bike shop today and they were quite helpful (as always) with the problems I've been having with my Canaan Elite. I told them that I did want to return the bike for a full refund, however since today is a Sunday they were not able to process a large refund without district approval. What they are going to find out for me is if they can swap out my Canaan frame for a GT Marathon.

    So my question for all of you is...what are your thoughts on the GT Marathon Frame? I took a look at it tonight and the rear end seems much stiffer and the pivots are using sealed headset bearings so they look quite rugged compared to the Canaan. I'm not sure how it will ride compared to the Canaan, but if anyone has any info it would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dedboy
    Hey guys, I signed up specially to tell you this. I'm riding a 2006 Teocali Super.
    I had exactly the same creaking problem you guys are talking about. It drove me mad. I replaced all of the bearings, regreased the BB, checked the seatpost, checked the headset etc.

    I was also very worried that the frame was creaking from a crack or damage. A friend easily solved this problem once and for all for me though. One day while out riding I got him to crouch next to the frame and listen for the exact spot where the creak was coming from, while I flexed the bike by sitting on it.

    Turned out to the FRONT DERAILURE GEAR CABLE. The section where the cable goes from the mainframe to the swingarm. When moving, the swingarm bends this cable and it creaks in the gusset. I was using BBB cables with aluminium sleeves, changed to plastics. They creaked less, but the solution is to grease the cables where they meet the frame. Hope this helps. PM me if you need further explaining. It sorted my lovely bike out right away. She's quiet now.

    Oh, and for those of you who might worry about the integrity of the frames. Dont. They are great. I have ridden my bike for a couple of years now. I abuse the hell out of this bike. Bombing down hills, rock gardens, drop offs, jumps. It handles it all and can take more. I'm not one of these guys to fuss and primp over my ride, washing it all the time etc. I just lube the chain and go.

    Had the same problem on my 06 Teo Elite. Took me FOREVER to figure it out. No problems since. Just pay remember to grease your pivot bearings and hardware often.

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    In my opinion, the Marathon is a pretty nice bike.
    Are you considering the Carbon or Alloy frame? Go carbon if you can, you will be rewarded not only with lighter weight but you will notice a huge difference in cornering stability/agility.
    Freedrive and iDrive are very similar- same patent but packaged a bit different. This suspension design will sluaghter any Scott XC sus. design when it comes to climbing and descending. Yes, the Scott if crazy light but it is also going to squirm like a boneless chicken up and down the trail.

    Light weight does not always mean high performance.

    Other benefits of GTidrive is the large pivots that use a shimano BB tool to adjust then. This design will also require maintanence but it is pretty simple. Use generous amounts of FinishLine brand Anti-seize (copper colored) grease to lube the pivots. You will also be rewarded with the ease of very simple bearing replacement since GT uses a basic sealed aheadset type bearing. If you want to get crazy, score some ceramic headset bearings to trim a bunch of weight.

    Now, if you are a 13 year old freerider looking for a thrasher bike on a budget then a Mangoose might be a better buy




    Quote Originally Posted by starSIXEDit
    So I finally had a chance to get up to my local performance bike shop today and they were quite helpful (as always) with the problems I've been having with my Canaan Elite. I told them that I did want to return the bike for a full refund, however since today is a Sunday they were not able to process a large refund without district approval. What they are going to find out for me is if they can swap out my Canaan frame for a GT Marathon.

    So my question for all of you is...what are your thoughts on the GT Marathon Frame? I took a look at it tonight and the rear end seems much stiffer and the pivots are using sealed headset bearings so they look quite rugged compared to the Canaan. I'm not sure how it will ride compared to the Canaan, but if anyone has any info it would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
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    Well I am waiting to hear back from Performance as to what GT Marathon they will offer me. I'm willing to bet it will be the Marathon 1.0 frame, but carbon would sure be nice, though I am not overly willing to shell out much cash to get the carbon frame. The pivots looks a lot better on the GT over the Mongoose, so that will be a plus. Now my only concern is going to be fit on the bike. The medium Mongoose fit me great (I'm 5'11"), but it looks like the medium GT is quite a bit shorter in the top tube, where as the large in the GT looks too long...decisions, decision.

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    WOWZA! mongoose used to be incredible like 10-15 years ago from what i can remember, sad to see they have went to crap with the pacific cycles buyout,

    what country mongoose made in?

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    Ive ridden the trail he said it broke on and there is no way that a bike could have been abused on that trail. It may be tough on your legs or lungs, but you could ride it on a cyclo cross bike. Great trail!!!! Cant wait to go back to rockyhill ranch. I miss it so much. Fat chucks demise aint easy. Yall should all go and check it out.
    You want me to do what?

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    Im just looking at everyone talking about the problems with there bike.
    I been riding mongoose for the past 7 years and i just got me a teocali 2007 and been beating the hell out of it most of it is just downhill with 4 and 5 foot jumps my weight is 245 lbs and i check this bike every time before we leave to the trails as on my way back.
    My question is have anybody else heard about this isue with newer models???

    also about the problems with the bikes check this link.
    http://www.recalls.gov.au/view_recal..._ID_Auto=15743
    http://www.recalls.gov.au/view_recal..._ID_Auto=14994
    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2003/03-23617.htm
    http://www.markwebb.com/million.htm

    Even after all this info that im posting i still have faith on mongoose......
    I only hope not to post in a couple of months with a broken frame !!!

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    What Mongoose sells at Walmart is a totally different beast to what is sold at real bike shops. You can say the same about any car company Ford ,Chevy, Chrysler. All of them make cheap entry level vehicles and high end fully loaded sweet rides. That's how it is! Just because Mongoose sells at Walmart doesn't mean their high end "Real" bikes are crap.Do some research and you'll find that people with expensive high end bikes have had issues with frames breaking,components failing & suspension failures. Believe me no one is immune to putting out a Lemon or two !

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoFlaBiker
    What Mongoose sells at Walmart is a totally different beast to what is sold at real bike shops. You can say the same about any car company Ford ,Chevy, Chrysler. All of them make cheap entry level vehicles and high end fully loaded sweet rides. That's how it is! Just because Mongoose sells at Walmart doesn't mean their high end "Real" bikes are crap.Do some research and you'll find that people with expensive high end bikes have had issues with frames breaking,components failing & suspension failures. Believe me no one is immune to putting out a Lemon or two !
    That's truth but why build crap anyhow? I had a walle mongosee and the frame got bend in a ride on the trail. We all had stop to wait for some of the guys to get through a technical area, I rested my foot on a dead tree stomp and it gave as I when down with the bike the rear triangle bend with me on the bike, the rear wheel got taco big time. I had previously own a rigid mongoose and it was steel tube it was a super bike. But after the incident with the new walle I will never own another mongoose. Plust I had to walk myself out of the trail carrying the mongoose because a good rider won't leave trash in the trail. If you are a bike maker put quality on everything you do. you can save the money on chaper components but not on quality.
    "Si todos saben lo que ay que hacer por que tenemos problemas" Choose xpst.

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    I have only ridden the 2008 & 2009 models. I plan on getting an 09 "Teocali Super" which to me is a quality built bike and Mongoose does cover their frame under warranty. You can question why a person chooses to purchase a Honda rather than a Ford? Personal choice is the answer and the reason why bike companies do what they do. Live life, enjoy and don't sweat the small stuff !

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    I agree its a mather of choise i dont have anything bad to talk about the bike except 1 of the bolts on the pivot rear suspension came loose from there on its been holding my weigth so im cool.
    Second place is always the first looser!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstguide
    That's truth but why build crap anyhow? I had a walle mongosee and the frame got bend in a ride on the trail. We all had stop to wait for some of the guys to get through a technical area, I rested my foot on a dead tree stomp and it gave as I when down with the bike the rear triangle bend with me on the bike, the rear wheel got taco big time. I had previously own a rigid mongoose and it was steel tube it was a super bike. But after the incident with the new walle I will never own another mongoose. Plust I had to walk myself out of the trail carrying the mongoose because a good rider won't leave trash in the trail. If you are a bike maker put quality on everything you do. you can save the money on chaper components but not on quality.
    I think that's just a silly reason to not buy another Mongoos,it's not their fault that you didn't do your research or wanted to buy a crappy dept. store bike.It didn't do anything any other dept. store bike would have done,which is break soon after purchase,especially if you were doing things on it that were meant for a good quality LBS bike.By the way,have you noticed some of the components on those cheap bikes?They feature cheap components made by Shimano and SRAM.Of course these break easily and are pieces of junk,but you wouldn't not buy their high-end stuff because of this would you?

    And you do realize the reason Mongoose LBS bikes are such great deals is because their cheap bikes make them extra money so they can keep their margins low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starSIXEDit
    After now 8 trips back to Performance with my 2007 Mongoose Canaan Elite, my next trip this weekend is going to be to return the bike. The bike rides awesome, but the pivots are constantly creaking and loosening up. I'm only 160 pounds and I have never experienced such an annoyingly loud suspension system. People I ride with even comment on the creaking coming from my bike. Looks like my next bike will be a Scott Spark or Genius, let's hope that works better for me.

    -Ryan

    I have a custom built bike using the Team frame and have had zero problems.Creaks and other noises can happen on any bike no matter how much you pay for it.

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    I have hundreds of hours on my 08 Mongoose Teocali Super and it's a great bike. The only problems I've had were from the fork, and that's no fault of Mongoose.

    I don't see how you can go wrong with $1800 for the complete bike with full XT, Easton, and an RP23 shock.

    The place I got it from still has one left. I had a 10% off coupon when I got mine but I bet since it's an 08 leftover it can be had for less than the advertised price....

    http://www.harborcountrybike.com/Pro...m8teos&click=2

    I don't think there is a better deal out there.

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    I am looking at an '08 Mongoose Canaan Comp from Performance for a steal.
    I am a little nervous after reading this thread though.
    I am about 200# and ride the Jeffco open space trails - CO front range - for the most part. Just do little jumps and drops - nothing big - some stuff around here is pretty rocky and tech though.
    What'ya think?
    Any other failures to report?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    I am looking at an '08 Mongoose Canaan Comp from Performance for a steal.
    I am a little nervous after reading this thread though.
    I am about 200# and ride the Jeffco open space trails - CO front range - for the most part. Just do little jumps and drops - nothing big - some stuff around here is pretty rocky and tech though.
    What'ya think?
    Any other failures to report?
    I'd go for it. Surely Mongoose has fixed any problems with the frame failures. In addition, the Ft. Collins Performance has been very helpful for me with Mongoose warranty issues, so you should be safe there too.

    I would ask them about the potential problems that the Canaan has had; the shop should be knowledgeable about what Mongoose has done to address the early version frame failures too.

    Go 'goose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromoly77
    Im just looking at everyone talking about the problems with there bike.
    I been riding mongoose for the past 7 years and i just got me a teocali 2007 and been beating the hell out of it most of it is just downhill with 4 and 5 foot jumps my weight is 245 lbs and i check this bike every time before we leave to the trails as on my way back.
    My question is have anybody else heard about this isue with newer models???

    also about the problems with the bikes check this link.
    http://www.recalls.gov.au/view_recal..._ID_Auto=15743
    http://www.recalls.gov.au/view_recal..._ID_Auto=14994
    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2003/03-23617.htm
    http://www.markwebb.com/million.htm

    Even after all this info that im posting i still have faith on mongoose......
    I only hope not to post in a couple of months with a broken frame !!!

    Later..
    This pivot bolt has broken numerous times on my teocali and I dont even ride that hard. I weigh about 140 lbs. I've used loctite, always torque it to the right tightness etc... But Ive gone through two sets already. Luckily, a helpful representitive finally sent me two more kits if it breaks in the future.
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    I sold mine to a guy who bought it for parts - he was building up a Titus.

    Mongoose had better get these issues sorted out because they sponsor a lot of big hit riders and gravity events. People buying their bikes are likely to want to try some jumps and drops.

    The Canaan geometry was very nervous on fast trails. IMO It cost me a lot of skin (literally) last summer so it had to go. No cracks or issues though and I am at the sensible limit for weight on a 26 lb Trail Bike IMO.

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    WOW I picked a good time to get away from my MG!
    I have a Blackcomb I-beam frame but the thing is like peddling a brick at 43lbs.
    Recently scored a Voodoo Hoodoo HT so I'm gonna swap my upgraded stuff to it and get rid of the MG.
    I had a cheap Next MTB break behind the seat post once....no more cheapo's for me!!!

    But these broken MG bikes you guys are showing aren't small taters tho!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mstguide
    That's truth but why build crap anyhow? I had a walle mongosee and the frame got bend in a ride on the trail. We all had stop to wait for some of the guys to get through a technical area, I rested my foot on a dead tree stomp and it gave as I when down with the bike the rear triangle bend with me on the bike, the rear wheel got taco big time. I had previously own a rigid mongoose and it was steel tube it was a super bike. But after the incident with the new walle I will never own another mongoose. Plust I had to walk myself out of the trail carrying the mongoose because a good rider won't leave trash in the trail. If you are a bike maker put quality on everything you do. you can save the money on chaper components but not on quality.

    I believe those dept. store bikes have stickers on them stating they are not be used for trail riding.

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    My only experience with a Mongoose has been a good one. I ride a 2002 Mongoose Sommet. It's design is more XC than anything else. I've looked over the frame and have noticed NO stress cracks or anything else that would worry me. Again, that's my experience.

    I agree with Lampshade132 about the brittle fracture and the bending of the top tube and well... about all his comments.

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    All this hoo-haa over two-three broken bikes? Out of how many sold? That's a very small failure rate and more than comparable with other brands at any price. Stop whining, and go riding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo the Devo
    All this hoo-haa over two-three broken bikes? Out of how many sold? That's a very small failure rate and more than comparable with other brands at any price. Stop whining, and go riding...
    and after you ride, check the other Brand forums, plenty of examples of broken bikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    I am looking at an '08 Mongoose Canaan Comp from Performance for a steal.
    I am a little nervous after reading this thread though.
    I am about 200# and ride the Jeffco open space trails - CO front range - for the most part. Just do little jumps and drops - nothing big - some stuff around here is pretty rocky and tech though.
    What'ya think?
    Any other failures to report?
    I say buy it (if you haven't got something else already). I go about 170 lbs. all geared up and have ridden my 2008 Canaan Comp for 7 months, with no problems. The first frame developed a hairline crack on the right rear shock mount and Mongoose replaced the frame, no questions asked. Got the new frame in January of '09 and had no issues since then. A buddy of mine who goes about 230 lbs. bought a 2008 Canaan Comp (XL frame) and loves it -- no mechanicals whatsoever and he's pretty hard on bikes.
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    hard core man

    man thats a bit scery to see just bought a team like 3 months back i love it have not race it yet but been doing a lot training with it and love the way it hanlds long dist bro .

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    These frame failures are not necessarily the fault of the manufacture but could just as easily be due to neglect. I am an aviation mechanic and there are a couple of things that stand out for me. In the pics posted by (cbip) where the failure seemed to happen at the hole for the water bottle anchor. I see corrosion on the bolt and will probably be eating at the aluminium as well and could easily invite vibrational cracks to form in the weakened edge of the whole. This could also be caused if the bolt hole was drilled but a nick of metal was left and not sanded smooth. A crack can form where a nick in the metal exists. The nick forms a point at which vibrational stresses can focus and begin forming cracks. Propellers get nicks from rocks and if not filed out a crack can form and run and the blade seperate. This usually causes the engine to come off the mounts due to the extreme vibration of missing a blade. Bikes are just as able to have this happen. Which is what may have happened to the bike in the pics posted by (dauwalt). Perhaps in the past over time the tab where the suspension hinges was nicked by rocks and perhaps the nick was not seen or perhaps not thought it would be anything to worry over and the nick over time started a crack that ended up seperating the tab off.

    This is something for all riders with aluminium bikes to check. Nicks should be filed out and blend or feathered into the rest of the tube. If you suspect a crack go have a shop do a dye penetrant inspection done. If you have steal bolts threaded into the aluminium check the site frequently for corrosion. If you see the corrosion before it is bad you can clean it up with some steel wool on the steel bolt and scotchbrite pad for the aluminum and buff it out..

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    anything that is sold at walmart is crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by basa View Post
    anything that is sold at walmart is crap
    Thats helpful, thanks!
    So that large Sony Flat screen LED TV that they sell just like BestBuy is crap?
    Its going to miraculously break because it was purchased at walmart? Can you buy a Mongoose Teocali at Walmart? A Canaan? I never seen any. Its funny, I started biking on an actual Walmart mongoose, an XR-200, that I took on basic trails to see if I liked the sport instead of spending a few grand for trial and error. That bike never gave me a problem, and I dropped it after trying to stoppie, and wheelie many many times. Was it a heavy pig? yes. Did the component leave much to be desired? yes. but it did its job and I sold it and got a good Mongoose. I rode the **** out of it, and still do when I am not on my FS 29er, and have no problems with the bike itself (some fork issues, but thats suntour). I crashed it, pounded over serious rocks with it, small jumps and drops (my lack of skills keep them small) and I weight about 220 naked. The mongoose stigma does not bother me, but idiot posts with people bashing a product because something broke is annoying. Just think what a bike goes through when you ride it. A fat ass on a bike over some crazy gnar? I think I am lucky everytime I make it home without a broken bike
    Tie two birds together and though they have four wings, they cannot fly!

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    Wow, he's lucky to be alive! I've been considering on purchasing a Mongoose Blackcomb frame. Hopefully I don't run into the same issue

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    The end of Goose ownership is coming into my sights!

    A specialized camber is waiting in the wings.

    Goose is garbage. Trust me. I've worked on 'em all. I've made custom BB link spacers, dealt with mongoose's failure to keep close tolerances in manufacturing leading to premature bearing failure. I've dealt with lots from my
    Khyber. And I'm done.
    No. I'll never buy another goose again.

    If you're in love with free drive, go ride a gt Idrive. They are much better and more durable.
    Better yet, don't buy durrell products. Buy a real IBD bike.

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