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    Has mongoose made a comeback?

    So i just purchased a teocali super 09 and absolutely LOVE the bike But when i tell my friends and coworkers (some of which work at bike shops) that i bought a mongoose, they all sorta grimace and ask why on earth i went with a mongoose. Then go on to tell me that they sold out to walmart, and they no longer trust the company's reputation whatsoever. I usually brush off their comments and remarks, but would like to know if mongoose has truely made a comeback from a "crappy walmart bike"-as everyone i know puts it. If the company, as well as their frames can compete and hold their own against other names in the business. I am just curious about what type of facts or proof stand behind me when I tell my friends that mongoose isnt what they think it is. Thanks
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    did you buy it at walmart? either way its not worth the fight... just tell them " i'm out riding aren't i? ".... next ride you all go on a ride, bring a case of beer and don't let them have any..lol
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    Do a search on this forum and you'll see many discusssions of this. You bought a Teocali, which is a "bike shop" Mongoose. It is a real bike and is not a WalMart bike. Screw them - you know your bike is good, and you're out riding it. If they were really knowledgeable about bikes, they'd know what you bought is a good bike. Tell them to enjoy their Specialized that they spent 2x the money for.

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    haha yeah, thanks for the good points you guys I think the main thing they are questioning thought is the frame's quality, it drives me crazy
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    quality... ride it and ride it hard. if it breaks then it's a poorly built frame, if it stands the abuse then it was worth the pretty penny.....if it breaks, laugh but still don't give your buddies any beer. they will laugh at you for buying mongoose but you will laugh because they will be pretending not to be mad when you tell them they can't have any of your beer
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    I dunno if you could say they have made a come back.
    They have been making pretty good bikes now for some time.
    The 2005 Teocali Comp base model won English MBR magazines "Best full suspenion under 1000 pounds" in that year [I bought one ] against some pretty stiff competition from Specilized, Trek, etc from memory.
    The Teocali Elite recently came 2nd in a test of 4, 6 inch trail bikes in the same mag again against some much "Bigger" name brands
    My mate who owns 3 specialized bikes [Enduro, Stump jumper and Demo 8] and is so one eyed with brand loyalty he would rather walk than ride anything else [dumb attitude if you ask me, buy best in class, best value, no matter who makes it I say] got really really uncomforatble when I asked why he bought the Demo 8 when a lot of mags are currently listing the Team Boot'R as the best DH bike.
    So good in fact that its winning its way through the 2009/2010 Autralian DH champs.
    He also begrudingly admitted that my Teocali clearly climbs better than his Enduro

    I love my 2010 Teocali Super HOWEVER if I had the cash would I swap it for a Pivot 5 or a Lapierre Zesty - you bet, I like bling as much as the next man.
    Its still a Mongoose and when you place any sort of value on a name - Mongoose simply is not worth as much as Giant, Specialised, Pivot, Trek etc etc in the MTB growd no matter how you measure it.
    Sad and unjust but true

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    Thanks for the input you guys, that the kinda stuff i really like to hear i couldnt help but ask such a thing after having cracked my ibex frame twice in the last year... but i am definitely gonna ride this bike into the ground. It handles oh so nicely
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    My wife and I got Teocali's (Comps) a little over a month ago and have been really impressed with them. We're not pro riders or racers, just a couple of folks that love to ride trails for the fun of it. For the money, I think we did great buying them. If anyone wants to tell me that I got a crappy WalMart bike, let them; I know what I have and can't help that they are ignorant of the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XCkiller
    haha yeah, thanks for the good points you guys I think the main thing they are questioning thought is the frame's quality, it drives me crazy
    do any of them ride treks or fishers? ask them how many frames they have broken
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    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    My friend rides a Gary Fisher. After seeing so many reports about them cracking, he was worried about his, so I started calling it a Gary Fracture to tick him off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB
    My friend rides a Gary Fisher. After seeing so many reports about them cracking, he was worried about his, so I started calling it a Gary Fracture to tick him off.
    tell him next time hes in the shop to ask the guys why there are 3 or 4 frames hanging up in the back
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    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    Mongoose has made a slight comeback with its pro-series bikes, but.....

    Just to let all of you know, the wally World Mongoose bikes are not made by Mongoose nor are they owned by Mongoose. They are owned by Dorel Industries which owns and operates Pacific Cycles where all these Wally World bikes come from. Dorel also owns Schwinn, GT, Cannondale, and now Iron Horse. None of these brands with the exception of Schwinn is sold in deportment stores like Wally World. The Pacific Cycles bikes branded with the Mongoose and Schwinn name are in hopes to sell more bikes to the unknowing public, since Mongoose is owned by Dorel Industries and Dorel owns Pacific Cycles they have the branding rights to use the Mongoose name on those bikes.

    The pro-series Mongoose bikes are built solid or just as solid as some other bikes sold in bike shops all over. I used to DH race on a older BDT (Black Diamond Triple), and that bike really kicked ass and took real beating.

    So no worries with the quality -vs- those Wally World bikes. The pro-series Mongoose will win out over the other.

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    Haha thanks for all the awesome anwsers everyone! It really gives me confidence in my new ride Which is just what I needed after my less than desirable experience with ibex...
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    did you buy the beer yet?( can you buy tasty adult beverages ?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiliPepper1

    Just to let all of you know, the wally World Mongoose bikes are not made by Mongoose nor are they owned by Mongoose. They are owned by Dorel Industries which owns and operates Pacific Cycles where all these Wally World bikes come from. Dorel also owns Schwinn, GT, Cannondale, and now Iron Horse. None of these brands with the exception of Schwinn is sold in deportment stores like Wally World. The Pacific Cycles bikes branded with the Mongoose and Schwinn name are in hopes to sell more bikes to the unknowing public, since Mongoose is owned by Dorel Industries and Dorel owns Pacific Cycles they have the branding rights to use the Mongoose name on those bikes.

    The pro-series Mongoose bikes are built solid or just as solid as some other bikes sold in bike shops all over. I used to DH race on a older BDT (Black Diamond Triple), and that bike really kicked ass and took real beating.

    So no worries with the quality -vs- those Wally World bikes. The pro-series Mongoose will win out over the other.


    You won't find any bikes that Walmart sells at mongoose.com but you will find "A Division of Dorel Industries Inc" at the bottom of every page.
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    thanks for the help everyone and i'm sorry shwinn... i am not yet of age to buy adult beverages (only 18 yrs old) its cool though
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    nothing wrong with that
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    so, it was explained reasonably well before, but i will give you guys a pretty darn good rundown here:

    Dorel Indsutries is a LARGE seemingly Canadian owned company which basically has a business model of buying companies that already are reasonably profitable, and then get them distributed worldwide, so a larger number of potential consumers will see, and hopefully, buy thier products.

    http://www.dorel.com/
    a link to the parent company's main page

    http://www.dorel.com/corporate.htm
    a link to the page in which they explain what they have their hands involved with as a company...
    here is a quick quote from this page:
    "Dorel Industries Inc. (TSX: DII.B, DII.A) is a world class juvenile products and bicycle company. Established in 1962, Dorel creates style and excitement in equal measure to safety, quality and value. The Company’s lifestyle leadership position is pronounced in both its Juvenile and bicycle categories with an array of trend-setting products. In the Juvenile segment, Dorel’s powerfully branded products such as Quinny, Maxi-Cosi, Safety 1st and Bébé Confort have shown the way to safety, originality and fashion. Similarly, its highly popular brands such as Cannondale, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose and SUGOI have made Dorel a principal player with both independent bicycle dealers and mass merchants. "

    The most important part of this quote is "Similarly, its highly popular brands such as Cannondale, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose and SUGOI have made Dorel a principal player with both independent bicycle dealers, and mass merchants"

    Here is another quote from the website talking about their different product segments, this quote relating of course, to the bicycle companies they own.

    "Recreational/Leisure
    ...In February 2008, Dorel purchased the Cannondale Bicycle Company and SUGOI Performance Apparel, furthering its goal to become a preeminent global bicycle company.

    The Recreational/Leisure segment comprises three distinct operating divisions: The Cycling Sports Group (CSG) division which deals specifically with the Independent Bicycle Dealers (IBD) channel; the Pacific Cycle division which deals with the mass merchant and sporting goods channel; and the Apparel Footwear Group (AFG) which incorporates the SUGOI, Cannondale, GT, Schwinn, IronHorse and Mongoose apparel lines.
    Dorel markets its Recreational/Leisure products under the Cannondale, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose, IronHorse, SUGOI, Pacific, Dyno, RoadMaster, PowerLite and InSTEP brand names"

    so there you have it: Dorel owns the previously mentioned bike companies, and has two separate divisions which deal with big box mass market stores, and the independant bike dealers.

    Dorel also has product rights to Eddie Bauer and Disney brand names in regards to juvinille products. They also make home funishings, some sold under the brand name "cosco" they also make step stools, folding metal furnishings, etc... basically mass produced plastic and metal odds and ends.

    So the difference betweeen Gary Fisher, Specialized, or any of the other big names who own themselves so to speak, and GT or Cannondale or Mongoose etc.. is that no bikes that get sold in the mass market stores (Walmarts and targets) will end up with that name on them. it seems that GT, and Cannondale learned a thing or two from schwinn and mongoose and maybe made a deal to NOT allow their names to become watered down by being slapped on pacific produced bikes and sold in big box stores.... i am speculating there, but it follows good logic.

    GT, Cannondale, Mongoose, Schwinn and so on still have real bike industry people developing real high end bikes. not really any different than most of the other bigger industry names. they are all made in taiwan or china in one of the small number of production houses for the bike industry. The build quality you will find in a mongoose is going to be just as good as almost anything else mass marketed to Independant bike dealers.

    ask your buddies opinions of cannondale, GT, and ironhorse. the GT Idrive shares a patent with the freedrive. cannondale is developing some of the most advanced suspension technology available for mountain bikes.... so really are they crappy companies because the parent company makes strollers and toy bikes for big box stores? probably not, but that does mean that they can offer you a teocali spec'd very nicely for several hundred less than a comparable bike from a different company.


    so yea, there you go, read up on dorel, they seem like most other large corporations, they want to make money, and will sell just about anything they can to do so. they were already dabbling with low end bikes before obtaining pacific, once they did this, they decided to just jump in all the way, get the rights to slap Schwinn and Mongoose logos on pacifics and make more money doing so. its big business and by buying a mongoose you get a good deal, and you support a big corporation instead of a smaller, bike only, company... so yea, good and bad, but not a bad product.

    my advice to all of you freedrive owners:
    if you ride hard, check your BB link pivot bearnings regularly, and replace them before they fall apart on you. they are spec'd stock with standard ball-in-cage design cartridge bearings, which aren't as strong as the "all ball internals" bearings available from companies like enduro.
    My 08 khyber uses #688 bearings, and someone posted that they have a teocali with #688 bearings. they are tough to find, but it seems they have a life-span maybe half that of the larger pivot bearings used elsewhere in the frame. i have replaced mine with enduro max all ball internal bearings which claim to be 45% stronger than the standard ball in cage design. The way i discovered a problem with mine was when i noticed a creaking that started out small and got louder and more annoying, it sounds a lot like a loose bottom bracket actually. keep an eye on it, and make sure to change them out before they explode on you, its a lot easier to remove a bearing that is intact rather than having to remove a stuck outer race.

    Mongoose freedrive works well, and the bikes are strong, and designed well. people have a hard time throwing their leg over something they worry won't impress their buddies. people can't separate the difference between a walgoose and a real deal mongoose beause they only know that mongooses are sold at walmart, that means they suck because they are department store bikes. they dont look into it any further... you could also let your buddies ride your bike, but i am sorry to say that the ideas they have about them being junky will somehow taint their experiance and not allow them to see what you really got for your money. bottom line, ride it, they work well, are spec'd nicely, ride solid, and are very good bikes. enjoy what you've got and definatly dont let you buddies have any beer... at least until they can admit you've got a nice bike.
    sorry for the long post.... i get crap about this very issue, so i did the research to be able to back up my statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmysDad
    You won't find any bikes that Walmart sells at mongoose.com but you will find "A Division of Dorel Industries Inc" at the bottom of every page.
    go to Cannondale's webpage, and GTs, its on theirs too.... there is no difference between the involvement dorel has with cannondale, GT, or Mongoose...

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    ".. Schwinn and so on still have real bike industry people developing real high end bikes..."

    show me a schwinn from 2002-present with a quality high end build compared to that of the 4bangers, straight6/8 & Homegrowns...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iridethedirt
    go to Cannondale's webpage, and GTs, its on theirs too.... there is no difference between the involvement dorel has with cannondale, GT, or Mongoose...

    You're not getting the point and I don't know what else to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8
    ".. Schwinn and so on still have real bike industry people developing real high end bikes..."

    show me a schwinn from 2002-present with a quality high end build compared to that of the 4bangers, straight6/8 & Homegrowns...
    I didnt say they were making bikes that were as good as they EVER have. just that they make bikes that are on a competitive level with other bike store bikes, that there is a seperate division behind the schwinns you find in a bike shop, and those you find at walmarts and targets. examples:

    here is your mass market store quality bike
    http://www.target.com/mdp/B00160JSLA...sin=B00160JSLA


    here is your bike store quality bike
    http://www.amazon.com/Schwinn-Rocket.../dp/B00123X7R2


    though it is looking a lot like schwinn is moving quickly away from higher end offerings... guess they ruined the brand name that bad and have realized it... who knows.
    but yea, the homegrown days are over for good, thats for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8
    ".. Schwinn and so on still have real bike industry people developing real high end bikes..."

    show me a schwinn from 2002-present with a quality high end build compared to that of the 4bangers, straight6/8 & Homegrowns...
    A 3 of my friends had Schwinn homegrowns. 2 of these cracked (years ago when these bikes were only a couple years old). No warranty support or crash replacements. XC country rides only. Riders are in their late 30s early 40s, not kids hucking stuff.
    So while Homegrowns are nice bikes they are not the pinnacle of bike design.
    Another Friend has a Titanium Mongoose that's about the same age as the Homegrowns. It's a much better bike than the Homegrowns.
    Brand doesn't matter. It's the design of the specific bike.

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    Excellent thread! I just bought a new XL size 2009 Canaan Comp from Performance for my 14 year old son. We got it for the almost unbelievable price of $1000.00. He's growing like a weed and outgrew his large frame Otero pro (also bought from Performance) in a year. The Otero Pro gave us NO problems and we expect the same from the Canaan.

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