• 01-02-2011
    trailville
    Petrifying Springs Kenosha Official 2011 Trail Report Thread
    I thought I'd start an official trail report thread for Petrifying Springs Park (Pets).

    Rode today (Sunday). A real mixed bag of some very icy sections and some beautiful stretches of nice frozen dirt. Fortunately the most fun/techy sections of trail tended to have no ice at all.
    • UWP land south of the river - almost 100% ice. Avoid unless you've got studded tires.
    • UWP land north of the river and south of Hwy A - The high ground and all the steep techy stuff was pretty good, some occasional ice but mostly dirt. The lower areas along the river were a mix.
    • Park land North of Hwy A - mix of ice and dirt, but overall pretty good since the more interesting stretches of trail tended to not have much ice on them.
    • Woods in the middle of golf course - Excellent, no ice on the hills at all.
    • Fenceline/ridgeline along western edge of golf course - Excellent, almost no ice at all.
    • Trails along river in main part of park - mixed ice and dirt. low areas along the river more likely to have ice.
  • 02-19-2011
    trailville
    I really had no idea what to expect at Pets today so I played it safe and just took the dog for a hike out there. I thought others might be interested in current conditions.

    There was a lot more snow still on the ground than I would have guessed. There are some bare stretches, but most of the trails still have 2 to 4 inches of very crusty snow on them. There was just enough hiker traffic before the refreeze to make the trails really ba ba ba ba bumpy.

    Probably would not have been a good ride, but you never know until you actually try it on a bike.
  • 02-19-2011
    mmik
    Never biked here. How are the trails on normal, nonwinter days?
  • 02-19-2011
    ~gomez~
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mmik
    Never biked here. How are the trails on normal, nonwinter days?

    Lame
  • 02-19-2011
    mmik
    sounds good

    i think
  • 02-20-2011
    trailville
    If by "lame", you mean "awesome", I agree.

    The trails at Pets are basically a spiderweb of informal hiking trails in an old county park. They're not for everyone. If you want to go somewhere and start at a marked trailhead and follow a nice clean signed route on dedicated bike trails, they're probably not for you. If you're a training fanatic and want to ride many uninterrupted miles of not-particularly challenging trails while you're monitoring your cadence, lap times, and heartrate, they're probably not for you. But if you're willing to spend the time to explore all the little side-trails to find the interesting stuff, and put together a route of the bits you like, they can be pretty sweet. If you've spent some time on the unofficial trails along the Milwaukee river, that's somewhat similar.

    Just stay the Fvck off them when they're muddy. Ride em when they're frozen, or wait for them to dry out, but don't be one of those meat heads that heads out there the 1st warm spring day and makes a mess of everything. And be courteous to the hikers and dog walkers. Mountain biking is "tolerated" there currently, but it only take a handful of idiots to ruin that.
  • 02-20-2011
    ~gomez~
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trailville
    If by "lame", you mean "awesome", I agree.

    Oops....sorry TVille....I know that you love your home slice....somebody has been doing some good work out there (here and there). PETS is just not worth driving from Kewaskum to ride. If you are passionate enough to drop the F-bombs, you should step up and bring those trails up to IMBA standards.....build some sustainable re-routes....get involved with the management of that resource....organize workdays....become active in trail advocacy right at your local trail......where the pulaski meets the dirt.....because trails don't get built or maintained by tapping the keys of a computer.

    Lame was too harsh....but closer to the truth than awesome. I'll change my answer to....If I lived closer, I would ride the carp out of it, but if you have to put the bike in the car to get there.....it's probably not worth it.

    You and the other locals that ride at PETS could make it a lot better, if you try.

    g
  • 02-20-2011
    trailville
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ~gomez~
    Oops....sorry TVille....I know that you love your home slice....somebody has been doing some good work out there (here and there). PETS is just not worth driving from Kewaskum to ride. If you are passionate enough to drop the F-bombs, you should step up and bring those trails up to IMBA standards.....build some sustainable re-routes....get involved with the management of that resource....organize workdays....become active in trail advocacy right at your local trail......where the pulaski meets the dirt.....because trails don't get built or maintained by tapping the keys of a computer.

    Lame was too harsh....but closer to the truth than awesome. I'll change my answer to....If I lived closer, I would ride the carp out of it, but if you have to put the bike in the car to get there.....it's probably not worth it.

    You and the other locals that ride at PETS could make it a lot better, if you try.

    g

    As I said, the trails aren't for everyone. What I like about Pets (and Beulah park and Milw river trails and others) is that the trails are not really managed. As much as I enjoy riding "managed" trails like the Kettles, there is something to be said for the many small informal trail systems that exist in various county and city parks. No, they're not built to IMBA standards, because many of them were never really "built" in the 1st place (and they existed long before IMBA). They just evolved over many decades, intitially by hiker use, then as mountain bikes started using the trails. There is something special about riding trails that came to be without any thoughts to mountain bikes. I'm not saying that informal trail systems are better or worse than managed trails, only that they are different. And I like variety. Areas like the Kettles need managed trails because trail use is so great. Not every trail needs to be managed.

    My greatest fear for the Pets trails is that they would get closed to bike use, that's why I threw in the f-bomb to those that show no responsibility by riding muddy trails (portions of Pets are in a flood plain), or those with such a sense of entitlement that they show no respect for other trail users.. And if any of them happen to read these threads and then maybe think twice about riding muddy trails or being rude to hikers , then I guess tapping the keys of a computer can actually help :)
    But my second greatest fear for the Pets trails is that they become managed trails.
  • 02-20-2011
    ~gomez~
    If you think the trails at PETS aren't managed, you are being naive. They're just being managed without mountain bikers being represented.

    but the trails do have potential......and its not about kettle vs pets......we're on the same side.....we want trails to ride....here, there, everywhere.....

    Getting cranky on the internet isn't a very good way to influence your own user group of mountain biking brothers and sisters. IMHO education is a much better way to protect our trails.

    g
  • 02-20-2011
    TheMayor1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trailville
    But my second greatest fear for the Pets trails is that they become managed trails.

    A scary statement to be sure :madman:

    Though I think get the sentiment of "non-managed" trails. I assume you mean "not-ultra-buffed" trails. But Gomez is right. The trails are managed. They are owned by the county. If another user group steps up to the plate to take over trail maintenance, etc, they could easily become managed - by another user group - and they will do this for the county with the agreement that mountain bikers are no longer allowed.

    "Managed" does not need to be ulta-buffed trail if that is your meaning. That is more determined by the user wants and the amount of people using the trails. But managed means having a say and control of the trails and the trails' future.

    I manage Cam-Rock Parks trails. Used to be pretty rough in a lot of spots, with minimal maintenance and input. Just control the large water issues and the rest took care of itself. As the trails have grown, the amount of users is up exponentially. Now the amount of riders dictates a more tightly managed/buffed trail just to keep the erosion at bay. It has also meant re-routing some sections of trail. Some trails not built to standards may be fine for years with little use, but with more riders they show their design flaws badly. Major erosion ruts are not fun to ride, nor do they make a good impression to the managers of the land, in my case also county-owned parkland.
  • 02-20-2011
    trailville
    Who's cranky? At least I provided a real response to MMIK's question.

    And the trails at Pets aren't managed by any standard definition of "trail management". The Parks Dept and UWP do only some very minimal maintenance to a couple of the main trails (a small percentage of the overall miles out there). There are individuals and small groups of mountain bikers that occasionally do stuff to the other trails out there, but there is no coordination between the groups and individuals (they don't necessarily even know who the others are, which is probably for the best because there are clearly some differing opinions on what a trail should look like), no oversight of these individuals by any authority, and actually they have no legal right to do anything out there. It's pretty impressive how things have somehow managed to work out so far. But that's why it's different.
  • 02-20-2011
    trailville
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheMayor1
    Though I think get the sentiment of "non-managed" trails. I assume you mean "not-ultra-buffed" trails.

    That's not exactly it. The term I normally use is "formal" versus "informal" trails. Informal trails came to be without any planning. People started walking through the woods, and trails formed. These types of trails have different characteristics than you will typically find with planned mountain bike trails or even modern planned hiking trails. And while I understand why modern planned trails are not built like this, I've had a lot of fun on trails like this over the years and appreciate that they still exist here and there.

    This was meant to be a "trails condition" thread, and I don't really want to turn it into a trail building and trail management thread (there's a whole separate forum for that, and that fight has been done over and over).

    BTW, Mayor, I did get a chance to ride Cam-Rock a couple years ago, and appreciate what you guys are doing out there. That's the only time I've ever encountered a trail marked "expert" that actually lived up to the designation.
  • 02-20-2011
    Picco-so
    mmik - Pets is cool. Plenty of diff. user groups out there from your cat 1,2 mountain bikers to your every day rec rider all with bikes in common. There are plenty of trails to connect together that you could easily get 1.5-2 hours worth of riding (21 miles) in without getting bored.

    I don't think that they're lame but then again that's just me and the the other 100 or so people ride there
  • 02-22-2011
    radtad
    I've never been to PETS, but I can see where Trailville is coming from.

    The Milwaukee River trail is my out the front door trail. I ride a block and I'm on one of my favorite trails. I absolutely love riding those trails. And I've helped build a section of trail with Metro Mountain Bikers.

    I am happy that there are plans to utilize the area better, but with those plans come changes to my favorite mountain bike trail. Part of the fun is the variety. The trail changes throughout the seasons. After the big flood last year, the trail changed again. You ride a lap in one direction, and turn around and have a totally different and challenging ride in the opposite direction. Now, talks are that it will be a one way trail, and I'm sure the majority of the extremely difficult sections will be altered.

    I am all for IMBA standards and I completely understand why those standards exist...but there is definitely part of me that wishes the River Trail would be left completely alone.
  • 02-22-2011
    TheMayor1
    Totally understand what you saying about leaving the trails alone.......but following was my experience. And yes I am dating myself :p

    I loved riding the many trails that used to exist in and around Madison that were "unmanaged". Picnic Point, Indian Lake Park, etc. They are all managed now.....by someone else. With no management those fun difficult sections led to erosion, erosion led to complaints of unsafe trails and ugly scars in the earth, eventually leading to a group organizing to maintain the trails and the mountain bikers were excluded.

    Forward two decades later and CORP is trying to get access back at one of these parks. The current managers are against us. We are fighting an uphill battle. Though it is a whole new group of riders these days with standards, organization, etc, they remember the mountain bikers and their memory of us is not good.

    So I guess I am saying try to get involved. Find out anyone who is in charge and work with them. Keep the dialog open. This is imperative to keep the trails open to us. Take over management and make it minimal "management" if you must. But either be the people in charge, or at least involved heavily, or risk losing the trails you love altogether.
  • 02-23-2011
    trailville
    Feb 23 Conditions
    The trails are finally rideable but it's rough(literally).
    You're basically dealing with hard frozen (not hard ice, but very hard icy crust) footprints that are 1 to 4 inches deep and all over the place, but not quite enough to smooth things out. The inch or so of new snow is smoothing things out a little, but it's still very rough. Some stretches are better than others. I did actually get to feel a little flow happening on a couple of the nice long winding downhills, but you have to work to get to them. A lot of walking on the uphills.
    Anyway, glad I got out there today, was able to hit some fun stuff. But not especially eager to get back until things smooth out a bit.
  • 03-02-2011
    trailville
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    March 2nd Conditions
    Much improved conditions provided you get out there while everything is still frozen hard.
    I got out there this morning before the sun got too high in the sky. The trails have smoothed out quite a bit (they're still pretty bumpy, but it's closer to what you normally expect in the winter).
    The key is getting out before things start to soften up. Even on a day like today with temps in the low 20s, the sun is hot enough to soften things up by mid day. There were tracks where riders had been out during warmer conditions over the past few days, and based on the tracks, it didn't look like they were having that great of a time. Plus they ended up leaving frozen ruts (in the ice/snow, not mud) that messed a little with my flow today :smallviolin: . Fortunately they didn't ride too much of the trails so most of it was rut-free.
    The Pic is of that crazy steep hill (you know if you've been there) that heads down to the river north of highway A. It was great to be able to ride that today. The hard crusty snow actually provided better control than you would have in dry summer conditions, and the fact that it's frozen and snow covered means you don't have to feel guilty about contributing to erosion. The last time I was on that hill was about a month ago, plowing down it on snow shoes through 2 feet of virgin powder (that was pretty fun too).
    Most of the trails still have more snow than what's in the pic.
  • 04-12-2011
    trailville
    The low humidity and sunshine today dried things out nicely. With the exception of some isolated muddy spots (the normal stuff), the trails were in overall very good condition this afternoon, and should be great until the next rain hits. I'd avoid them in the mornings though as thing have been getting rather damp at night.

    And a big thumbs up .:thumbsup: to the trail fairy(s) that already replaced that bridge that washed away. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

    As a side note, the suckers are currently running in the Pike river (for those of you who like things that suck)
  • 04-13-2011
    Fleat
    Glad to hear the trails are drying up! I have a new bike on the way, and I will be reintroducing myself to mountain biking at pets (since I live about four miles away). Have you had any experience with Bong Recreational Area? I was hoping to try that out soon as well.
  • 04-13-2011
    trailville
    Bong and Pets are two completely different animals. Pets has challenging technical singletrack along a river, while Bong is mainly flat to gently rolling wide mowed trails through a prairie. I used to go out to Bong pretty regularly in the summer with the bike and canoe, and bike the trails, then paddle the canoe around Wolf Lake for a bit, then take a trail run on the hiking trails around Wolf Lake. Kind of my own little triathlon. But the lake kept getting overgrown with vegetation (to the point where even paddling a canoe was a problem), my knees ain't what they used to be for running, and the mtn bike trails just aren't interesting enough to get me out there just for the biking, so it's been a while. I may have to try it again this year.
  • 04-13-2011
    Fleat
    I have walked a variety of the trails in Pets before so I definitely understand that it will be quite technical. I am still in pretty decent shape so I hope I should be able to handle a decent ride without getting too exhausted. My riding skills on the other hand have not been utilized for several years so we will see how far I get.

    Thank you for the information about Bong. If I find Pets too technical I will head out to Bong to get used to the bike more.
  • 04-13-2011
    whiterp199
    I would drive the extra twenty minutes or so to the John Muir trails as opposed to Bong. Kettle Moraine has better biking terrain. It it not that technical but you will get in shape there for sure.
  • 04-13-2011
    whiterp199
    I do like pets though. A lot of fun can be had there.
  • 05-09-2011
    BigVaz
    Was at Pets on saturday & except for a few muddy spots we had a great time.
  • 04-20-2012
    rcracerdan
    Hi
    Hi, Nubee to the forum. Thanks to trailville dot com I found this and other great trails.
    Question pertaining Petryfing Springs, what trails are being riden? I was told by county officials that riding the trails is prohibited. Is this a new ordinence? What does anyone else know?
    Thanks
  • 04-20-2012
    BigVaz
    I ride Pets on a fairly regular basis & have never had a problem. (knock on wood). We've already been out a handful of times this year. We were going to try to head out one day to improve some of the trails towards the east side of the park. We'll see though...
  • 04-20-2012
    rcracerdan
    I would like to ride there, but don't want to get fined either. Where's a good place to enter the east side trails?
  • 04-20-2012
    BigVaz
    Its kinda hard to explain because most of the points aren't marked. We usually enter towards the Southern most parking lot near the dog park. (east side of the road) There's a small cluster of trees where the trail starts right before the bridge. You'll pop out right by the golf course just about as soon as you get on the trail. (hope that helps?) There are a few different routes to fork off on, but we usually end up on "Hwy A". Then ride the road west & hop on the trails on the north side of "A". It will be much better when the trails dry up.
  • 04-20-2012
    BigVaz
    Again, i've never had a problem riding there & see other riders just about every time we go. Who exactly told you riding was prohibited there?
  • 04-20-2012
    rcracerdan
    The other day (wed) I made a visit there. A county official saw me and told me so, kinda in passing.
  • 04-21-2012
    trailville
    Pets seems to be under an informal don't-ask-don't-tell policy. Mountain bikes are not technically allowed on the trails, but they have been tolerated. People have been riding out there for decades. If they wanted to push the issue, they probably could ticket you. I think they actually did a little bit of that back about 10 or so years ago for a little while, but they have since backed off. Obviously this is a tricky issue, and things could change at any moment.

    The land East of the golf course belongs to UW Parkside, and to my knowledge they do officially allow bikes there.

    Bikes are absolutely not allowed on the UW Parkside cross country running/ski trails South of Pets (South of CR JR).
  • 04-25-2012
    BigVaz
    Yeah, this blows my mind... lol. I had a fellow rider today, tell me that those trails are a "no go", but the cops don't really bother anyone unless they're causing a issue.
  • 05-14-2012
    rcracerdan
    I got to try the trails for the first time today. A really good ride. Just a little muddy in the low areas. I say its easy to get lost when your not following the river.
  • 06-07-2012
    f1rst 1
    I'm heading out there on Sat AM...first ride this season and first one on my new Specialized Camber 29er...hopefully I don't have any run-ins with "the man"....I've ridden there in previous years and either never saw a soul or saw just a few others hiking/walking. We'll see....
  • 06-07-2012
    trailville
    Just got back from a ride there a few minutes ago. Wonderful dry riding conditions, though things are starting to get overgrown in some areas already. Should be really nice this weekend unless we get rain.

    I did see a group of riders flying down an easy downhill on the main hiking trail in the main part of the park. There's nothing particularly challenging or interesting about this hill (I prefer it as an uphill anyway) but that's the kind of stuff that gets hikers complaining and trails closed. There are far more fun section in less visible and more lightly used areas of the park. I'm not saying people shouldn't ride the main hiking trails (I was riding it), but slow it down a little. If you like riding fast on easy hills, just ride the road or hit the Des Plaines River Trail or the trails at Bong.
  • 06-07-2012
    f1rst 1
    lol, yeah exactly...I remember the first time I rode at Bong....late 90's no internet reviews....I had no idea what I was getting into, pretty freaking boring.
  • 06-07-2012
    trailville
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by f1rst 1 View Post
    lol, yeah exactly...I remember the first time I rode at Bong....late 90's no internet reviews....I had no idea what I was getting into, pretty freaking boring.

    Actually, Bong is the first place I went "mountain biking" back in the early 90s. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, but then I found real trails.
  • 06-17-2012
    gearhead313
    The wife and I just got back from a quick ride around the sw part of the park up into the northern "across the road" part (have no idea what these areas are called!). The trails were in super shape.

    Unfortunately, we are fairly new and didnt know about any good maps to get us around.. Some google searching lead me to this thread here, for which now im posting :). I think it would really help to have some sort of map, or the actual Trailville map from Dave, posted on signs all over the place in the park. Some sort of direction or paint markers would do that system wonders to help the non-veteran riders navigate around.

    Are there ever trail work days there? We would be all about helping mark and tag the different legs...
  • 06-24-2012
    rcracerdan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gearhead313 View Post

    Unfortunately, we are fairly new and didnt know about any good maps to get us around.. Some google searching lead me to this thread here, for which now im posting :). I think it would really help to have some sort of map, or the actual Trailville map from Dave, posted on signs all over the place in the park. Some sort of direction or paint markers would do that system wonders to help the non-veteran riders.
    ...

    I agree, I am also new to these trails and get lost sometimes. The other thing is that I dont know which direction is correct. I really like the trails and want to ride them properly.
  • 07-14-2012
    fatguybiking
    I'm just getting into MTB and these are the only trails I've been riding so far. I only live a few minutes away. The trails have such a wide variety of difficulty, it has something for everyone. So far I've been staying mostly on the trails on the west and north end of the park. I've been on the trails on the east end probably 10 years ago, but haven't ventured over there recently. I mostly ride by myself, so I'd be nice to get a small group together and head out there someday.
  • 09-27-2012
    fatguybiking
    Just a comment on the talk about riding not being allowed on the "hiking" paths. I started up a facebook page for MTB riders in the Kenosha/Racine area and someone sent me a message regarding "officially" not being allowed to ride the trails. So yesterday I talked to several KSD deputies as well as a patrol supervisor (I work at the jail so I really didn't have to go out of my way), they all said that biking is allowed on all the trails. (besides the cross county area south of JR) They had never heard of it being "illegal" to ride the hiking trails. So as far as I'm concerned we shouldn't be worrying anymore. I would strongly suggest to still be respectful to hikers and other people using the trails. It just takes one person to mess it up for the rest of us.
  • 09-27-2012
    f1rst 1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fatguybiking View Post
    Just a comment on the talk about riding not being allowed on the "hiking" paths. I started up a facebook page for MTB riders in the Kenosha/Racine area and someone sent me a message regarding "officially" not being allowed to ride the trails. So yesterday I talked to several KSD deputies as well as a patrol supervisor (I work at the jail so I really didn't have to go out of my way), they all said that biking is allowed on all the trails. (besides the cross county area south of JR) They had never heard of it being "illegal" to ride the hiking trails. So as far as I'm concerned we shouldn't be worrying anymore. I would strongly suggest to still be respectful to hikers and other people using the trails. It just takes one person to mess it up for the rest of us.

    That's great news! I was just there last Sat and Sun and am always surprised on how much there is back in there. I always find a new line or two and have a blast. We're definitely lucky to have something like PETS so close to us here in SE WI. :thumbsup:
  • 11-08-2012
    Frosted Flakes
    Riding Pets Sunday morning at 9am. Always looking for someone to ride with.
  • 11-09-2012
    fatguybiking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Frosted Flakes View Post
    Riding Pets Sunday morning at 9am. Always looking for someone to ride with.

    Hey, I shot you a message about it on the Kenosha / Racine Area mountain bikers Facebook page. We need to go again before it gets really cold.
  • 11-09-2012
    trailville
    Rain in the forecast tonight, tomorrow, and Sunday. If we get any, would be better to stay off the trails this weekend.
    Even with just a little rain the trails struggle to dry off this time of year.
  • 11-09-2012
    fatguybiking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trailville View Post
    Rain in the forecast tonight, tomorrow, and Sunday. If we get any, would be better to stay off the trails this weekend.
    Even with just a little rain the trails struggle to dry off this time of year.

    I hadn't checked the forecast yet, but I always stay off the trails when they are muddy. We're too lucky to have those trails nearby to mess them up. I also preach that on my Facebook group page.
  • 11-10-2012
    dickeydoo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trailville View Post
    Rain in the forecast tonight, tomorrow, and Sunday. If we get any, would be better to stay off the trails this weekend.
    Even with just a little rain the trails struggle to dry off this time of year.

    Good on you for the warning on wet trail riding. I'm thinkin these guys posting for a ride know better.
  • 11-11-2012
    fatguybiking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dickeydoo View Post
    Good on you for the warning on wet trail riding. I'm thinkin these guys posting for a ride know better.

    Or they posted the ride before checking the weather. I'm sure Frosted Flakes knows better than to ride in the mud.
  • 11-11-2012
    Frosted Flakes
    You know what sucks, rain was forecasted then not forecasted then.....not till later in the morning, then afternoon, now it started raining at here at 3:30. Should have stuck with my gut this morning at 9, and rode Pets, what a gorgeous day for it! Still ended up riding, but it was at Lakewood, still had a good time.

    Dam if you do, dam if don't! Hope everyone got a chance to capitalize on the beautiful weather.

    I do watch the forecast and WILL NEVER RIDE WHEN ITS MUDDY! NOT WORTH IT. Love what we have and want to keep our trials in the best condition possible.

    Now whose buying a fat tyre for winter?
  • 11-15-2012
    fatguybiking
    Trying to get group ride together for Petrifying Springs (Pets) this Saturday the 17th at 10:30. If you want to join me, meet up in the parking lot by the dog park/spring water station. It is supposed to be sunny and close to 50 degrees. We have to enjoy the weather while we can!
  • 11-17-2012
    Frosted Flakes
    Pets Sunday the 18th at 9-9:30ish am? Meet at fatguybikings place.
  • 11-17-2012
    trailville
    Just a suggestion. This time of year you're better off planning rides for the afternoons. That gives the trails time to dry out from the overnight dew and frost.
    In a few more weeks after we start getting some hard freezes, the morning will be better so you can get out before the trails start to thaw. Same thing applies in late winter.
  • 11-18-2012
    Frosted Flakes
    Took your advise trailville, went around 11 today and the trails were bustling with hikers, runners, and bikers. It was also much warmer than this morning.
  • 12-21-2012
    fatguybiking
    Any idea how many days of freezing temps it will take for the ground to freeze and able to be ridden?
  • 12-21-2012
    trailville
    It doesn't look like we got enough rain yesterday for the river to overflow it's banks (except maybe a couple of low spots), so I don't think there is a flooding issue.

    It's going to be very cold tonight so I think it should freeze up pretty good by tomorrow. May be some isolated spots where you have thin ice over puddles with mud underneath, but most of the trail should be good to go. Prepare for cold toes.

    It is supposed to be sunny tomorrow though, so there may be some issues with south facing slopes.
  • 12-21-2012
    fatguybiking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trailville View Post
    It doesn't look like we got enough rain yesterday for the river to overflow it's banks (except maybe a couple of low spots), so I don't think there is a flooding issue.

    It's going to be very cold tonight so I think it should freeze up pretty good by tomorrow. May be some isolated spots where you have thin ice over puddles with mud underneath, but most of the trail should be good to go. Prepare for cold toes.

    It is supposed to be sunny tomorrow though, so there may be some issues with south facing slopes.

    Nice, I was thinking it might take several days of freezing temperature to make the trails ridable.

    I guess buying a new bike in November is a bad idea. I've been really chomping on the bit to take it out, but have only gotten one real ride so far. Hopefully I'll make it out there sometime over the holidays.
  • 12-21-2012
    trailville
    Well I could be wrong. I guessed wrong that last time I went out there and ended up only doing about a mile of trails before heading back on the park roads. Since then I've been waiting for a hard freeze like this.

    And I don't mean to dampen your excitement, but I personally wouldn't take a brand new bike out in these conditions. Some forks and shocks don't react well to really cold temps and you hate to screw something up on your first ride. Not to mention the salt you'll get on it if you do any road connectors. If you still have your old bike, you may want to stick with that until spring and then maybe give your new bike a shot at winter next year when it's no longer your shiny new bike.
  • 12-31-2012
    mofxr
    any of you pets locals interested in a new years day ride . havn't riden out there in years sooo lookking for a little guiding and riding . we will be out there tues.morn at 11 am . not sure what lot to park in either.
  • 12-31-2012
    fatguybiking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mofxr View Post
    any of you pets locals interested in a new years day ride . havn't riden out there in years sooo lookking for a little guiding and riding . we will be out there tues.morn at 11 am . not sure what lot to park in either.

    Tomorrow, we'll be meeting up at Pets by the large lot between the dog park and the spring water station at 11.
  • 01-06-2013
    trailville
    surprisingly good conditions today
    After finding glare ice on my sidewalk and driveway this morning, I wasn't sure what I would find on the trails, but trail conditions were surprisingly good.

    Even though there was a layer of icy crusty stuff on almost the entire trail, traction was great. I rode everything I normally ride including playing on some of the steep side trails. However, I just couldn't get myself to 100% trust my traction so I was taking corners really slow and dabbed a foot quite a few times playing on the steep stuff. It was weird because I was absolutely not slipping, but I just did not trust that trail surface .

    Looks like mud is in the future for next week, early AM tomorrow should be good, but the rest of the week and next weekend doesn't look promising based on the current forecast.
  • 01-06-2013
    fatguybiking
    I was wondering how long it would take to thaw out with the warm weather this week. Thanks for the heads up.
  • 01-06-2013
    gearhead313
    Good to know it doesnt retain mushy slush... Pets will be on my winter riding spots fo shizzo
  • 01-06-2013
    trailville
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gearhead313 View Post
    Good to know it doesnt retain mushy slush... Pets will be on my winter riding spots fo shizzo

    It retains plenty of slush/snow/ice. We just haven't had any snow this year, the storms have all been missing us. We've had great riding in recent weeks, but now it looks like we will need to wait a week or so for the next freeze.
  • 01-18-2013
    trailville
    :nono::nono: It's almost certainly going to be too muddy tomorrow, soooo???
    I'm just mentioning because I got out to Pets on Tuesday for a great winter ride (it was fantastic that day) and couldn't help but notice the deep ruts from people that rode in the mud last weekend.
  • 03-07-2013
    fatguybiking
    Is it spring yet?
  • 03-07-2013
    trailville
    It's going to be a while.
    I was out there yesterday on snowshoes. And I don't wear snowshoes unless the snow is too deep to hike without them (it definitely was). We should see a lot of melting over the next week but there is a lot there to melt and we would need a good hard freeze after that to get any riding in. We got lucky the last couple of years and had some good March riding, I'm kind of doubting we'll see much if any this year. Though I'm sure the geniuses that leave those ruts in the mud will be out there in a few weeks.
  • 03-07-2013
    fatguybiking
    With great sadness I'm not expecting any dry trail riding until the end of April or May. :-(
  • 03-29-2013
    fatguybiking
    C'mon sun, dry out those trails!!!
  • 03-29-2013
    trailville
    It's gonna be a while.

    Unfortunately someone will probably ride out there this weekend and make a real mess of the trails. Probably a pair of riders because stupid likes company.

    My guess is there is still some snow and ice on the north-facing slopes, some of the south-facing slopes may be starting to firm up, and everything else is muck.
  • 03-30-2013
    fatguybiking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by trailville View Post
    It's gonna be a while.

    Unfortunately someone will probably ride out there this weekend and make a real mess of the trails. Probably a pair of riders because stupid likes company.
    .

    With the warmer weather this weekend I sent out a reminder yesterday on https://www.facebook.com/krmountainbikers yesterday.
  • 03-31-2013
    trailville
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    Did a road/paved path ride on my touring bike this morning and passed through Pets.
    And look what I saw when the paved trail passed by the access points to the singletrack.
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    As Forest Gump says "stupid is as stupid does".


    And to get an idea how long it will be before things dry out, here's a pic of a north-facing area of the woods. There's still a lot of melting to go before the drying starts. This is about the worst late-March conditions I remember (not that I expect to be riding in late march, but there's rarely this much snow and ice still on the trails). Even if the weather cooperates, we've got weeks before things dry out. Throw in some April rain and it could be a very long time.
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  • 03-31-2013
    fatguybiking
    Yeah, I did the paved path and road yesterday. Even then I came home with mud on my bike. The paved trails still had tons of ice/mud/water on them. The place is an absolute mess. I also saw some fresh tire marks on the downhill exit near the NW most playground. Also around the gates near the sledding hill.
  • 04-01-2013
    Frosted Flakes
    We need some 70+ days with full sun, to even make a dent in that snow base.
  • 04-05-2013
    trailville
    Just in case the sunny weather this week has someone considering riding this weekend, the trails still need a lot more time to dry out.
    And given the rain in the forecast next week, April riding this year may not happen.
  • 04-07-2013
    Frosted Flakes
    All the snow gone yet? Jones real bad for some closer riding. Any word on Kettle, also?
  • 04-08-2013
    trailville
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Frosted Flakes View Post
    All the snow gone yet? Jones real bad for some closer riding. Any word on Kettle, also?

    Except for some small isolated spots, the snow should be pretty much gone (probably completely gone after this morning's rain).

    All the rain in the forecast this week ain't exactly going to dry out the trails, but it should at least help to thaw the ground below the surface so once we get a stretch of warm dry weather things should be able to dry out.

    For the Kettles, you can just check their hotline (I wouldn't bother checking it now though). They know riders are eager to ride so when things start drying out this time of year they will sometimes give a notice a day or so before they actually open the trails.

    In most cases, if the Kettles are closed, you can usually assume Pets is not ready to be ridden. There are sometimes exceptions, but the Kettles dry out quicker than Pets.

    Pets conditions are similar to the river trails in Milwaukee so you can use their status (see link Below) to help determine conditions at Pets.
    https://twitter.com/Metro_IMBA
  • 04-08-2013
    D_K
    The Kettles are at least a few weeks away from opening. As of last weekend there was still a good couple of inches of snow and ice on some sections. The other sections were either mud pits or had heavy frost in the ground. Although some jack a$$es have already been trying to ride them. :madmax:
  • 04-19-2013
    fatguybiking
    Anybody want to go ride today? Don't forget your water wings!




  • 04-19-2013
    trailville
    Are those pics from yesterday or today?

    The water should be dropping quite a bit today. The Pike river drains out quicker than some of the inland rivers like the DesPlaines River and Fox which haven't even crested yet.

    Should be a lot of mud tomorrow, and I would bet some fresh tire tracks in it by the end of the weekend.
  • 04-19-2013
    fatguybiking
    Yeah, they are from yesterday around 3pm.
  • 04-19-2013
    trailville
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    That's what I figured.
    Most of that major flooding should be gone now, but there will be a lot trapped in low spots, and with the ground that saturated it's going to take a while to dry out.

    I don't want to get anyone too excited, but the extended forecast is finally looking a little more promising.

    FYI, Here is a graph of the water levels. You can check waterlevels at
    USGS Current Conditions for USGS 04087257 PIKE RIVER NEAR RACINE, WI

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  • 04-23-2013
    fatguybiking
    My wife was running at pets today and told me she saw some guys riding on the trails. I'm pretty sure they aren't dry enough yet, but the weather towards the end of the week does look promising. **fingers crossed**
  • 04-23-2013
    trailville
    We'll all be able to see signs of their awesomeness when we get out after the trails dry ( soon I think). The high ground was probably getting nice but there's no way the low ground is not muddy.

    There's probably going to still be some mud by the weekend, but I'm figuring everyone will be out riding by then so you may as well get out there. Would be better if people waited until the afternoons though. Next week looks really good.

    If the forecast holds true, I would think the Kettles will be open this weekend as well.
  • 04-25-2013
    trailville
    I would guess that things are still pretty soft now, but tomorrow is going to be warm AND sunny AND windy AND low dew points AND since there are no leaves on the trees should result in some nice drying happening.

    There will still be isolated muddy spots this weekend and I would encourage riders to opt for hike-a-bike on these sections (assuming you can't hop it). I know you'll see other tracks already there, but the more people that ride through this stuff, the deeper the ruts that hold the water that keep these spots perpetually muddy.

    And afternoon rides should be better than morning rides.
  • 04-26-2013
    David_315
    I have yet to ride this trail. really want to make it out there this year.
  • 04-29-2013
    fatguybiking
    Went out yesterday, trails are a little rough from the flooding, but definitely rid-able. There were a few muddy spots with deep ruts that have been ridden though quite a bit. The one surprise was how much sand was on the trails, that was a little tough to ride through.

    BTW, it looks like someone dragged the "Water Shed" bridge about mile back into place.
  • 05-05-2013
    Frosted Flakes
    Ride baby ride! Was there this morning and its in great shape, very tiny pockets of mud here or there, it is ready.
  • 05-25-2013
    trailville
    Riders Needed at Beulah Park!!!
    Anyone that likes riding Pets is going to like Beulah. Similar terrain and only 15 miles to the South.
    There have been some new trails put in and they seriously need to get ridden. More info at this post in the IL forum.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/midwest-il-oh...br-850603.html
  • 06-02-2013
    skibender
    I was out there Memorial day - not too bad. There were some pockets of mud but I walked around them.
    Anybody know what kind if condition they are today?
  • 06-02-2013
    trailville
    Too wet today. We had some good rain last night and things were already pretty damp before that.
    Monday afternoon or Tuesday should be better with some lower dew points coming.
  • 06-19-2013
    trailville
    Trails at Pets are in great shape right now, as are the trails in Beulah Park.
  • 07-12-2013
    trailville
    Mixed bag today out at Pets. Most areas were very nice, but there were some isolated muddy areas that were really muddy (a lot wetter than I expected given the dry air we've had recently). The bad areas were all on the UW Parkside property (all the trails in Pets were much better). I didn't even attempt to ride most of the low floodplain areas on the UWP land. Also getting some overgrown areas (normal for this time of year).

    Beulah park has been drying out slightly faster than Pets, so that may be a better option tomorrow. There's also a scheduled workday for Beulah on Sunday afternoon if anyone is interested.
  • 07-12-2013
    rcracerdan
    I was out there recently too. I noticed on the UWP side it has some washed out areas and overgrown. I was wondering what is going on out there because the bridge below shed is gone and in park area they have done some trimming of trees and weeds.

    Been riding Beulah quite a bit now. It's closer anyway.
  • 07-15-2013
    gearhead313
    I was out at Pets last sunday. It wasnt bad at all.. i like the tackyness it gets. I only got off once at a puddle that I couldnt get around. The top side loop shredded nicely, not getting overgrown like the east end.
  • 08-17-2013
    trailville
    Ground Wasp Warning!
    May be just a fluke, but I was stung twice this week at Pets so I figured I'd warn in case anyone is allergic. The first time for sure was a ground wasp , I was on foot and saw the swarming nest after I was stung. Today I was riding and was stung in the hand, I briefly saw it before I smacked the back of my hand against my bars to get if off and think it may have also been a ground wasp.

    Ground wasps are small (a little smaller than a honey bee I think) but are very aggressive at protecting their nests (not my first experience with them).

    If you are allergic to wasp stings, you may want to skip Pets for a while.

    Otherwise, real nice riding conditions. :)
  • 08-24-2013
    mtnbkr83
    Who is maintaining these trails? I would really like to volunteer my time in helping with the maintainence. The most northwest section really has developed into a nice down hill single-track.
  • 08-25-2013
    skibender
    Went out and rode 8/25. Trails were very good shape. A little overgrown in some spots -which is expected.
  • 08-31-2013
    trailville
    Friday's rain pretty much missed Pets so very good riding conditions this weekend.
  • 10-27-2013
    trailville
    Some Pets Fall Color
  • 02-20-2014
    fatguybiking
    Is it summer yet?