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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    Wow!
    I haven't checked back in awhile and look at all the discussion!

    Royalview was built the way it was for many reasons that have nothing to do with mountain biking. There was huge opposition to MTBing in general and they went and did it anyway. To make it work, and to pass the intense criticism, they had to make every aspect perfect to the detractors. That meant a few concessions/compromises from the MTBers.
    Now it's one of the most-visited parks, which completely validates the entire project.
    btw - if you haven't been to recent trail building at Royalview, there is a gateway/filter stunt a short way into the new out-and-back section to keep the newbs out, some new ladder-type bridges, and some boulders and rock gardens (this trail is NOT OPEN YET!). Give CMP time to sort out their project management and develop their man-made construction techniques (bomb-proof) and style (risk without real danger). This is the first time they ever built a MTB trail, and the first time they ever used IMBA trail building guidelines (which severely limits steepness around here). It's a new process in every way.

    The next CMP project is in Bedford. The terrain there is much steeper and rockier with a solid 250 ft. elevation change. For NE Ohio, that 's about as much climbing as you'll get.

    Thanks all for chiming in!

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    Sounds like the future is bright for MTBing in ohio!

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecube89 View Post
    Flea, will Bedford be ready for the summer time? Will it be a little more challenging than Royalview? What is the proposed length? I love Royalview. It is not hard, but flows great. Any trail is better than no trail. What would they eye on after Bedford? What Metroparks could be used? What about Brecksville... What about CVNP? Not sure why they do not have anything there.I never see horses on the bridal trails.
    I always get scolded for conjecturing, but here's what I [think I] know so far:

    Prob'ly not ready this Summer. It will be built as an intermediate/advanced trail, which means building it will likely take longer than Royalview did.
    As far as length and other details, I don't even know where the route is planned. I even went looking for flags and couldn't find them (it's usually easy in the snow).

    When CVNP finally plows through all of their paperwork there is a good chance that CMP and CVNP will be cooperative regarding MTB and other trails. This would offer an unparalleled level of connectivity between parks and even neighborhoods.

    I would love to say that Brecksville would be opened up, but the trail density there is already high. I'm sure it is being evaluated. Bikes will never share horse trails though (I even asked them if it would be OK to ride horse trails at night - no horse traffic at night, right?).
    West Creek had been ridden by bikes and motorcycles since the '70's, but the preservation group would be very unhappy to see MTBs in there. I've always argued that it has never been worse for wear due to the traffic - it just had some garbage in there (that is now gone). It has some absolutely fantastic old-skool stuff (as in steeeep fall line stuff), which is likely deemed "unsustainable".
    There might even be a chance that Strongsville and Brecksville could be connected by an un-paved non-equestrian trail.
    But again, I'm gonna get scolded. Take with a grain (or two) of salt and watch the CAMBA site.

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    good job fellas, I'm from the Strongsville and Dublin Ohio areas but live in Austin now. I look forward to hitting trails there when I visit but there aren't really much in the Columbus area. As for the guy that dosen't want to hike-a-bike, how are you supposed to get better or enjoy the trail every time? It's super techy and rocky here and some trails you walk 25% of the time until you get stronger and skilled enough to ride the tough parts. We don't cry about it, we learn to clean ledges.
    If I ride somewhere without challenges I would get bored and not come back. Tech trails are like a evolving puzzle that may take years for you to come back and "unlock" it all. To me that is one of the greatest thrills of mountain biking.
    Keep trying to do the awesomest thing you've ever done.

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    Just wanted to stop and say thanks. I appreciate the work you guys are doing down South. As a Michigan rider, I have to travel to find decent tech. It's just not part of the culture in lower Michigan. We've got lots of flowy, but only mildly technical trails.

    I stopped by WB to round out a trip through Ohio, Pennsylvania, and NY. Hit Mohican, Raystown, Moraine, Rothrock, Ellicottville, and then WB. After all those epic rides, I was expecting a bit of a let down at WB, but ended up loving it. The mix of trails out here is terrific. The Quarry trail was dynamite. Those rock gardens were as challenging and fun as almost anything on my trip. Loved the 'Expert Only' section(don't recall the name), the creek crossing, the skinnies, and all the fun bits along the way.

    Stoked to have a tech option close enough to do a weekend trip or two. Thanks again for the work. It is appreciated. I'll be headed down late spring/early summer, just as soon as mother nature allows!

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    allmountain....great review of WB...those guys have done a great job there...when you say Mohican...did you do the state park (24mi.)??....just in case...Mohican wilderness is only 5 min. from there and is hands down the best tech, riding around this area (central..northern ohio)...its not too long but if you do it forward then reverse...its a great ride.

    can you tell us (or maybe please send a PM...how was rothrock and raystown....and ellicottville...I do Moraine alot...but other than some newer stuff there, i reall dig the hiking trails...much more techhy and loooonger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamwa1 View Post
    good job fellas, I'm from the Strongsville and Dublin Ohio areas but live in Austin now. I look forward to hitting trails there when I visit but there aren't really much in the Columbus area. As for the guy that dosen't want to hike-a-bike, how are you supposed to get better or enjoy the trail every time? It's super techy and rocky here and some trails you walk 25% of the time until you get stronger and skilled enough to ride the tough parts. We don't cry about it, we learn to clean ledges.
    If I ride somewhere without challenges I would get bored and not come back. Tech trails are like a evolving puzzle that may take years for you to come back and "unlock" it all. To me that is one of the greatest thrills of mountain biking.
    when I look deep inside for the reason that I choose to ride my bike in the woods (i do ride road too, but its all about offroad)...it all comes down to the challenge..the scenery is nice, but in the end, i like the feeling of accomplishment from finally "getting it".
    great post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    allmountain....great review of WB...those guys have done a great job there...when you say Mohican...did you do the state park (24mi.)??....just in case...Mohican wilderness is only 5 min. from there and is hands down the best tech, riding around this area (central..northern ohio)...its not too long but if you do it forward then reverse...its a great ride.

    can you tell us (or maybe please send a PM...how was rothrock and raystown....and ellicottville...I do Moraine alot...but other than some newer stuff there, i reall dig the hiking trails...much more techhy and loooonger.
    I rode Mohican SP. I've ridden it twice. The first time, I was actually looking for Mohican Wilderness, but had poor directions, so ended up at the SP instead. Will have to make another effort to find it/ride it.

    Every single ride on that trip is worthwhile for different reasons. I could hardly have chosen better venues.

    Rothrock- I came into this one with big expectations. I've seen some opine that Tussey Mtn trail is their favorite... anywhere. Pretty high praise. There are some great views and very challenging rock gardens, but it wasn't favorite trail type material for me. I've ridden quite a bit of Midwest and SE tech, and this was the one place that I wished I was riding FS(rode 26er HT). I love rock gardens, but there is a lot of chunk in the trail tread all over. Felt like I was being beat to death with my bike. Not unlike Pisgah, there are lots of miles of singletrack out here, connected with various fire roads, giving you endless ride options. Good and challenging, but you'll want to be on the right kind of rig.

    Raystown- A different kind of trail. It's not techy, save a couple rock gardens on the North to South connector trail. This is the fastest, flowiest, and maybe funnest trail I've ever ridden. It has some pretty good sustained ups and downs, with TONS of rollers all over the place. It's easy to go faster than you probably should here. Rays Revenge(clockwise) is one of my favorite trail sections anywhere. The climbing is all very tolerable. Look for a (6 foot?) elevated log ride over the creek at the bottom of Sidewinder. I've both cleaned it, and fell off it into the rocky creek bed. I'd recommend this trail system to anyone and everyone who rides a bike, but if you only like tech, it won't be your cup of tea. Around thirty miles of trail out here IIRC.

    Ellicottville- This is the one I'd liken most to West Branch, in that it has a nice mix of dirt singletrack and rocky tech. Lots of miles out here, and a few different riding options. The route I rode started with a two mile switch climb, and then evens out a bit after that. The white trail has some very tough natural rock gardens, with bigger rock chunks than you'll find at Rothrock. The most sustained rock tech is further from town and I didn't get out that far. You can get a map from Dennis from the bike shop in Ellicottville. He's an endurance racer who also loves rock tech, so he can set you up with whatever ride you're looking for. The stuff on the map out by 'Little Rock City' is where the sustained tech is at. I'll focus my riding on this part of the system next time out.

    I did a fairly in depth write up of my rides, with pics and vids here: MMBA • View topic - Ohio/Penn/NY Epic Tour *pic heavy*

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    thanks for all the info....I'm into allot of diff riding so raystown will be on my list...I think i went there before, but it was well over a decade ago and was a diff place back then...not bad, it was just hard to find the trails.

    to get to Mohican wilderness...you need to go onto Wally road, which is about 1/4 mile south (toward town) from the state park entrance. take wally road till it turns to gravel(it will change a couple times then)...you will go over a bridge then mohican wilderness campground is on the left (so is the river)....keep going..prob another mile...as the road bends around the end of the campgound there is a good left turn in the road at a "Y" (this is the second "y" in the road since rt.3).
    At that "Y"..on the right is a little wodden hut...like a double wide outhouse and a little gravel parking lot...this is the parking area....when you look across the road from the parking lot you will see a big grass hill (theres a pump/well at the bottom by the fence)..go thru the fence and you climb up that grass hill to the treeline and then go left (theres a slight trail there)...once you get to the woods go up to the right and then to the right again to follow the treeline again from the woods side...the rest is fairly easy to follow...the trail isnt real long unless you go across the street at the end...theres a few miles back there and some nice hills but its not used much and very rough with trees and leaves....we usually ride just the front half, either doing loops or most often, do the trail forward then reverse...do that a couple times and its a great workout/ride....not nealry the dist. that can be had at the state park, but much more fun technically....aslo...from the top of the hill, there are a few really nice downhill runs with rock piles and big drops...you can either have a truck take you to the top(the downhillers do this witht he big bikes) or just climb up and do diff. downhill runs out.....its basically a big up then down.

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    Might as well put in some love for Beaver Creek. This place has the best terrain for mtb of any of the Ohio trail systems that I've seen. The only thing that holds it back from being at West Branch level is the distance available - about 3.5 miles (soon to be 4.25) of hike/bike trail, and another 4 miles of bike/illegal horse poach trails.

    Been working on a new trail, and here's the video teaser I made for our club.



    Check out the Rust Belt Revival Trail Coalition facebook page for more info on trail work days if you're interested

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    Dude nice lines and video! Hell yeah.
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