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    Lynn Woods carnage... Pray and wish a fellow rider a good recovery.

    No pictures, but the images still play in my mind!

    My friend drove up from NYC to enjoy a weekend ride in LW. The four of us, geared up and set out on the jaunt. We marvelled at the perfect riding conditions and enjoyed the renuinon of friends. But one hour into our ride, being the front biker, I quickly turned around in response to gruesome sounding shouts from my friend. I knew immediately he suffered a bad injury.

    He was on the ground; his lower leg was bent and flopping around like a broken candy cane still in it's bag. Horrific! Basically his leg snapped like a chicken bone. His bike lay to his side with the front wheel twisted. And he was writhing, twisting, clenched in pain with uncontrollable shouts. I ran and checked him for more injury and then grabbed his hand tightly to comfort him.

    We called 911, and paramedics and LFD arrived 30 mins later. They tried to call the Coast Guard for an airlift basket to get him out of woods but ended up with 8 men carrying him out in a hammock-like stretcher. Terrible. He was screaming. It sounded like a war zone.

    I was saddened. I think he's going to have a long road to recovery. Please wish him well or say a prayer. Thanks.

    After he was tucked away in the hospital ER and after most of the dust settled, my friend and I discussed if leg armor would have saved him. He had just bought 661 knee pads for the ride, and that's all he wore. We tried to figure out the mechanism of how it happened.
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    Damn. I wish him a speedy recovery.

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    What trail were you on? CF.

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    I am sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he has a speedy and complication free recovery. With some luck and hard rehab work perhaps he can be with you on the trails again.

    I doubt leg armor would have made any difference. You said his leg was "flopping aroung like a broken candy cane still in its bag" which seems to indicate he broke both bones (Tibia & Fibula). More often than not, that means he had his lower leg planted or trapped while his upper body continued to move. I would not be surprised to hear that it is a spiral fracture necessitating the insertion of one or more rods for stabilization.This is just not the type of injury leg armor is designed to prevent.

    I will pray for your injured friend as well as you and the other rider. That is a simply horrible experience to have been involved in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY FRED
    What trail were you on? CF.
    This was my friend's third time in LW and he mentioned to me that he'd been riding a lot more recently so I felt it was likely he had gained more skills. Some history: the first two times we went --months ago--he had some falls including an endo where he landed on his hip and got a hip bruise that was the size of a compact disc. So this time, I decided to take an easier trail (if you can call any northside LW trail "easy"). We headed into the woods from the rock near RT 1 power lines right where people enter when parked at the former Naked Fish. You know that rock with the large stone and rotting wood pallets on it? If you go right, it's the rock garden that runs south along rt 1, and if you go left it's winding singletrack that leads to a 1 foot table stone that's a few feet in length and then to a 1 foot stepup before a short but narrow climb that is flanked on its left by a rock roller. Once you get up the short climb, it levels out on a large flat boulder. Directly across, there's an entrance to more single track. It was there, about 100 yards in, where a few stone obstacles exist, where he crashed when rolling a 1 to 2 foot high rock. Currently there's a knocked-over, cracked pine tree where he fell. I don't know the name of the trail, but it wasn't anything major tech, and he said it wasn't anything he hadn't conquered before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairbanks007
    I am sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he has a speedy and complication free recovery. With some luck and hard rehab work perhaps he can be with you on the trails again.

    I doubt leg armor would have made any difference. You said his leg was "flopping aroung like a broken candy cane still in its bag" which seems to indicate he broke both bones (Tibia & Fibula). More often than not, that means he had his lower leg planted or trapped while his upper body continued to move. I would not be surprised to hear that it is a spiral fracture necessitating the insertion of one or more rods for stabilization.This is just not the type of injury leg armor is designed to prevent.

    I will pray for your injured friend as well as you and the other rider. That is a simply horrible experience to have been involved in.
    I think you may be right about having armor not helping. Yes, I looked at the xray and he surely did have a distal transverse TibFib fracture. It looked like there where some fragments as well (comminuted fracture?). I did move the upper part of the leg when we were in the woods and the lower part just flopped freely. BUT it was good that he didn't have a compound fx. I agree with you as well on the mechanism of injury as the most likely. I don't think he hit it. It was more of leg/foot plant on the ground, trapped while all his weight moved down on it. I originally thought that maybe his pedal pressed on his leg and then acted as a fulcrum of force to break the bone, but there wasn't much skin damage. He said that he heard the bones crack as he went down.

    I feel pretty awful about all this and couldn't stop thinking about it last night. It was supposed to be a day of fun and then lunch and campfire afterwards.

    I'm going to the hospital again today. He's had a few imaging tests including a CT scan.
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    Our group has a similar tale last season but we got him out a bit faster than what you describe.
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    Man that sucks for your buddy. I hate hearing about cyclist injuries, mountain or road. Send him our best and hopefully they get him put back together and he's back at it again next year .
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    Best wishes for a speedy and full recovery. Get him some MTB DVDs to pass the time.

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    I went out for a ride today and felt a little "spooked" after yesterday's incident. It showed me the reality of what could happen to a biker.

    I went to the hospital today. By the way, the ER triage told me they've seen 3 bikers brought over from LW in the past two months.

    Thanks everyone for kind words!
    For encouragement, I'm going to direct him to this thread.
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    Healing vibes to your friend. Sounds like your taking this hard, tough to do, but stop beating yourself up over it. Accidents happen and since it was on some mild features it's no ones fault. If he had been on a tough stunt, beyond his skills then some guilt may be appropiate. Hopefully he can come back and ride again.

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    Thanks all. I'm the guy you've been reading about. Going home today, hopefully swelling will go down in time for surgery tentatively scheduled for Friday.

    Hard to write much right now so I'll update ppl later. I will say it hurt like no other hurt before! :-(

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    Best of luck for a speedy recovery. Its been a crazy November in Lynn. The first Saturday of the month a rider broke his arm pretty bad was sent over to Lynn Union Hospital, that Sunday another rider busted their ankle and yesterday we have a fellow ride hit there head requiring a CAT scan. Everything came back fine with them.

    Must be the leaves??? Front wheels wash out so fast, you don't even realize what happen until your on the ground.

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    That sucks for your buddy. I'll keep him in my prayers.

    LW takes no prisoners. Be careful out there everyone...

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    Just found out I'm stuck at union hospital for another 5 days. Pretty bummed out.

    LW is completely diff riding for me. I usually goto Blue Mtn in Westchester County, NY, which is much more flowy type XC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victim
    Healing vibes to your friend. Sounds like your taking this hard, tough to do, but stop beating yourself up over it. Accidents happen and since it was on some mild features it's no ones fault.
    Yeah, when it first happened, other than my concern for him, it was mentally kicking myself. I felt I, as the lead rider in the group, had brought this on him ,and especially because I took him to LW again after seeing his previous falls. Others have echoed what you say though, so I'm feeling better about it now.
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    heal well man. sounds like the gods of lynn are hungry for blood. caution

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselbikes
    Best of luck for a speedy recovery. Its been a crazy November in Lynn. The first Saturday of the month a rider broke his arm pretty bad was sent over to Lynn Union Hospital, that Sunday another rider busted their ankle and yesterday we have a fellow ride hit there head requiring a CAT scan. Everything came back fine with them.

    Must be the leaves??? Front wheels wash out so fast, you don't even realize what happen until your on the ground.

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    Good luck with the recovery.
    That sucks to happen but at least it happened at the end of the season.
    I hope you're not a skier.
    Hopefully the time will pass quickly.
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    Haha well. I'm an avid snowboarder. I can kiss that goodbye this winter. :-)

    still waiting to find out when I can get operation. The waiting -- and the pain -- is still killing me.

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    Wow.... that sucks definetly wishing your friend a speedy recovery.

    When I hear about these catastrophic injuries, I like to get as many details to aid in my perevention, so: What sort of shape is your friend in? What sort of feature were you riding?

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    I'm a very fit guy but dont have the archetypal mtb build. I'm 5'11" and 195 lbs so definitely bulkier with lots of mass. I do alot of aggressive XC but nothing on the same scale as LW.

    Aust95 will be returning to the scene sometime soon to review the crash site. From what I remember I was going over a smallish boulder but then immediately hit another one. O popped up in air, lost control of bike, right leg was pinned under my bike and everything came down on top of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinshield
    Our group has a similar tale last season but we got him out a bit faster than what you describe.
    What happened? Where?
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    Sounds like just bad luck. How many times has something similar happened to all of us, minus the broken bones of course. Sorry to read about it. I hope you have better experiences riding in MA in the future. I was just in LW last week for only the 2nd time this season and simply did not do a lot of stuff I've done before. Just steep rolls, etc, but my buddy was feeling the same fear as well. I guess it's the kind of place you need to be familiar with in order to not be hesitant. Anyway I'm rambling. Ger better soon and get back on the bike ASAP.

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    Get better soon jsyteng!

    30 minutes for LFD to arrive seems a bit excessive. I don't know LW, but is the area you were riding in that remote? Did they have trouble finding you? Did they have 4 wheelers or anything? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longshanks
    Get better soon jsyteng!

    30 minutes for LFD to arrive seems a bit excessive. I don't know LW, but is the area you were riding in that remote? Did they have trouble finding you? Did they have 4 wheelers or anything? Just curious.
    consider the terrain of Lynn Woods, 30 minutes is a pretty good response time.

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    We were 1/2 mile into the woods with winding single track and rock terrain between us and route 1 highway. Since there were three of us with him, one rider biked out to the street to meet the paramedics to lead them in. I stabilized his leg and added compression to limit the bleeding. The other guy gave moral support. The task of carrying him out was most difficult. It required eight men lifting the stretcher to navigate up and over rocks and between tight spaces among the trees.
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    good luck with your recovery. the leaves can make even well known trails sketchy.

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    agreed. 30m is not bad. they could get to the trailhead in under 5m yet all the time is spent getting to the scene. most lynn trails are not accessible by atv. being extracted the long way via 8 men carrying a stretcher is the norm unless you can get to the main fire road near the ballfield. sometimes the ambulance can get down the fire road a ways. this evac reminds me of about 8-10 years ago. i was out there when jeffery kirby broke his neck. we had to carry him out by stretcher with 8 guys and it was hard as hell. then one of the pins at the end of the stretcher snapped and we had to use duck tape and medical tape to keep it together.

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    thanks for all the well wishes, folks.

    so after having a very vivid dream about it again last nite, I've figured out why I crashed.

    I lowered my seat twice at the beginning of the ride, making the bike more slack. This was done bec. I did an endo over a steep rock at the very beginning (a bad omen). My bike was definitely set up as more XC prior to that point.

    At the moment of the crash, I was doing a slight descent over a couple of mid sized boulders. As is the usual case while descending, I backed off the saddle, but this time I could not feel the saddle touching my gut. I could feel the bike starting to wobble underneath me, and that's when I collapsed down on my right side with my leg still clipped in and curled underneath me. It wasn't a violent crash at all, but it all came down on my shin.

    The lowered seat was too dramatic of a change for me. Like I said, usually I can still feel the saddle touching my gut while descending, which helps to control the bike for me. Without that point of contact, any sort of left/right slant on the rock tilted my bike to the side, and voila! There you have it.

    Aust95 and I feel much better after figuring this out, bec. after this accident my confidence was shaken. I knew I was a better biker than this. Live and learn, as they say.

    Operation at 3pm tomo afternoon. I'm sure everything will be fine. It's the waiting around this past week that has been most traumatic. I'll update the thread afterwards.

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    Good Luck with the operation.

    It's good that you've figured out what went wrong. The first thing to do is get right back in the saddle, after PT and you are recovered completely.

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    Good Luck

    I broke the tib/fib in both legs back in 96. I'm out riding all the time. I can ride the trails better than walk them to be honest. I broke my legs skiing at Waterville Valley. Skiing and ran over a white trash bag and slid into a sign and looked down at my legs and the bottom of my feet were looking at me. Could not believe it! Going down the mountain in the first aid sled and I kept saying to myself, I can't believe this has happened, and I was a very good skier. Three operations later I'm doing fine, can't run since I lost full range of motion in my ankles but I ride as much as possible. Get into a good rehab place, I did and it made all the difference in the world.

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    anyone know if the park commission has done a new survey and created a new map? when was it last updated? diesel?

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    jsy, now that you have replayed the crash in your mind, i'll ask the question again posed earlier, do you think shin pads may have helped? hope the surgery goes well for you & definitely try to ride when your able to squash those demons

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    Yes in hindsight I think shin guards wouldve helped.

    I'm super bumming out now. Surgery called off last minute. Swelling still bad and now have developed severe fracture blisters. Too risky to cut open now.

    I am laid up in Union hospital for another several days. May operate on Friday. I am definitely in Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stop Drop N Roll
    anyone know if the park commission has done a new survey and created a new map? when was it last updated? diesel?
    We have been working with park management regarding a new revised map for Lynn Woods since 2005. The Official map of the park was created back in the early 90s (approx. 1991) under a Mass Dept. Greenways Grant. Since that time, much has changed in the woods. Changing the official City map of Lynn Woods feels like we need an act of god to help. It is not on the radar of City Hall.

    Dieselbikes was given the ok to create our own revised map on our website that shows most of the trails with the common names mountain bikers use. This has been used by Lynn fire and police for e-vacs from the woods.

    Dieselbikes is scheduled to meet with the park commission in Dec. regarding permits for our 2010 events and will inquire about an updated map.

    Politics are in play...this is why a new map has not been created yet. The story is long and I could write a book about it, but we are still working this matter for the riding community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselbikes
    ...Dieselbikes was given the ok to create our own revised map on our website that shows most of the trails with the common names mountain bikers use. This has been used by Lynn fire and police for e-vacs from the woods.

    Dieselbikes is scheduled to meet with the park commission in Dec. regarding permits for our 2010 events and will inquire about an updated map.
    A new map with trail names would help in locating people when an e-vac is needed. Plenty of people use those woods for recreation so if there was an injury of a lone rider, it'd be difficult for them to describe where they were.
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    Well folks I give up. Insurance is shutting me down here, so I've decided to risk it and return to NYC without having had the surgery. Gonna be a painful trip, but I can't stay away from home any longer (neither can my wife and kid). Hope to find good surgeon back in NYC.

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    Best wishes and good luck in your recovery .

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    Why is the insurance co "shutting you down?"

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    No offense to Union Hospital but sometimes small town medicine just doesn't compare to the stuff you get in the big city. If you can endure the ride home, do a little research and get the best doctor you can. Take it from me, there is nothing routine about routine surgery. My tib/fib that should have been a "set it and forget it" left me in the ICU for 5 days and in the hospital another 25. They sent me home after 8 surgeries with a gimp stump of a foot and no one to blame. At least you're going home with a Lynn Woods Limp. Even so, biking is one of the few things I can still do with out any pain or issues. Not sure if I'm cheering you up or knockin you down. Either way, stay positive and good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aust95
    What happened? Where?
    Wasn't at LW. We were in Lowell and my buddy went down a long, steep rock face and he wasn't lined up right and bailed. He got twisted up in his bike and snapped his leg.
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    CIGNA didn't feel it was medically necessary to be in hospital awaiting surgery. Told me to basically wait at home. Pretty retarded but did not have energy to fight, took it as sign to bail on Union Hospital and find someone back in NYC

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubaner
    No offense to Union Hospital but sometimes small town medicine just doesn't compare to the stuff you get in the big city. If you can endure the ride home, do a little research and get the best doctor you can. Take it from me, there is nothing routine about routine surgery. My tib/fib that should have been a "set it and forget it" left me in the ICU for 5 days and in the hospital another 25. They sent me home after 8 surgeries with a gimp stump of a foot and no one to blame. At least you're going home with a Lynn Woods Limp. Even so, biking is one of the few things I can still do with out any pain or issues. Not sure if I'm cheering you up or knockin you down. Either way, stay positive and good luck.
    I agree with you, but there are some excellent small town doctors who don't practice at big name institution. Sometimes, it depends on the individual and not the facility. I have doctor friends and they largely feel the same way as I do; that is, don't discredit the quality of the M.D. because he practices in a "smaller" setting. But yes, certainly, small hospitals might not hold the doc as accountable for HOW he practices. My friend was at Union hospital, and from my opinion and for what he tells me, he got good care from a compassionate nursing staff, BUT the problem that I have is the orthopedic doc only saw him 3 days out of the 5 that during when he first stayed in the hospital. During the last two days before discharge, the doc didn't even come in and examine his injury. His condition may have changed in the two days before he was sent home! And it did! Docs are supposed to see a patient EVERY DAY when they are in the hospital.

    When he came back to Union a few days later schedule for surgery, the ortho unwrapped his wound and said he wouldn't operate based on how the wound looked. My friend and his family and others were looking forward to getting this resolved, but all our hopes were shattered 9 days after the injury when the surgeon decided not to operate. I spoke to a close surgeon friend last night and we felt that my friend should have been better cared for by the doctor. We also felt there was an underlying insurance issue since he was also laid off from work, so perhaps there was concern of poor medical reimbursement for the treatment.

    We all feel that this painful accident was made worse by the type of care he received by the doc. Eleven days after breaking his leg, his leg is still broken, the bones are still shattered in the same way, the pain hasn't subsided and he hasn't been able to ween down his pain medication, he's still in a the same splint that was placed on the first day at Union Hospital ER. We expected quicker treatment. On top of this, he has a wife and 15 month old girl that depend on him. They're stressed out.

    We'll still keep our heads up and give him props for enduring all this. I'll tell him to keep the hope up. They're going back to NYC today to seek a new orthopod.

    By the way, you must have your own story to tell about what happened to your leg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsyteng
    CIGNA didn't feel it was medically necessary to be in hospital awaiting surgery. Told me to basically wait at home.

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    "the stuff" I was referring to is indeed the facilities rules and practices. Not really the doctors abilities. Even so, had he been at Mass General I bet he would have been seen more often. If the doctor in Lynn was worth anything he wouldn't need the hospital to dictate the standard of care your friend gets. It would be in his nature. And if it was he would probably be making more money at a better hospital

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsyteng
    I'm a very fit guy but dont have the archetypal mtb build. I'm 5'11" and 195 lbs so definitely bulkier with lots of mass. I do alot of aggressive XC but nothing on the same scale as LW.

    Aust95 will be returning to the scene sometime soon to review the crash site. From what I remember I was going over a smallish boulder but then immediately hit another one. O popped up in air, lost control of bike, right leg was pinned under my bike and everything came down on top of it.
    I'm curious if you were riding clipless pedals or not and if you think that could have played a part in crash and injury? I go back and forth between clipless and platforms but at a place like Lynn I will use platforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victim
    I'm curious if you were riding clipless pedals or not and if you think that could have played a part in crash and injury? I go back and forth between clipless and platforms but at a place like Lynn I will use platforms.
    He was riding clipless and, while he is fully comfortable with them getting in and out, he fell quickly and unexpectedly that being in the pedal was a factor in trapping his lower leg under the bike.

    I prefer riding clipless in LW mainly because it's the only way I can make the toughest climbs. I've used platforms and like them for rollers and drops--easier to bail.
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    Back in NYC. Surgery scheduled for Monday morning. Wish me luck!

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    Huh?
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    Good luck.

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