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    Landmine MTB Classic 2012 @ Wompatuck

    The 12th consecutive running of the Landmine MTB Classic in Wompatuck State Park will be held on Sunday 09/09/12. As many of you know this is the season finale for the Root 66 series, the longest single lap course in the Root 66 series (possibly all of New England), only event in the series that offers a Marathon category, and in the top 2 or 3 races in New England in terms of field size only beaten by VT50.

    100% of the proceeds from Landmine go directly back to the Friends of Wompatuck (FOW) to support maintenance efforts, trail improvements, outreach, and educational programs in Wompatuck. These programs go far beyond MTB specific activities, FOW caters to all forms of recreation. We are very proud of our efforts to continue to offer a great event at a reasonable entry fee that supports activities in a park we're passionate about.

    This year we've modified the course very slightly to add a little more singletrack. Link dump below for registration info, map, GPS tracks, etc. As a reminder, pre-registration not only helps our organizers out greatly, it saves you $$. No day of penalty and FOW is paying BikeReg fees for the second year in a row. The price you see is exactly what you pay!

    Registration: https://www.bikereg.com/NET/15623
    General info: Friends of Wompatuck
    Course map: http://www.friendsofwompatuck.org/Landmine2012.pdf
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    25mi: Landmine Classic 2012 25mi Course by landmineclassic at Garmin Connect - Details
    11mi: Landmine Classic 2012 11mi course by landmineclassic at Garmin Connect - Details
    6mi: Landmine Classic 2012 6mi course by landmineclassic at Garmin Connect - Details
    Facebook for frequent updates: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Landm...85854211474874

    We hope to see you racing on Sept. 9th!
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    what is the first timers course like? fire roads or single track. I saw the ave speed for the course settter was 10+mph. That speed seems to me to be more fire roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notaskitrail View Post
    what is the first timers course like? fire roads or single track. I saw the ave speed for the course settter was 10+mph. That speed seems to me to be more fire roads.
    +80% singletrack, the first timers course overlaps with the other category courses as well so this is a real MTB course, not a dumbed down version, so all racers get a fun, challenging experience. Wompatuck is a fairly fast riding park I'd say, also consider that the track log was captured by a rider who races Cat. 1/Expert competitively so their speeds might be a little higher than what first timers might log on the same course.
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    It looks like the first timers corse starts at South Field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonBoy View Post
    It looks like the first timers corse starts at South Field?
    All course start and finish in South Field. The 11mi & 25mi courses utilize the first timers course as well to gain distance, the legend in the bottom left of the linked map shows the color coding for each course.
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    Are the courses well marked on race day so people don't get lost? I know Wompy fairly well, but there are plenty of little splits in trails etc that aren't always on the map. I just want to make sure it is clear where to go on raceday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHbiker View Post
    Are the courses well marked on race day so people don't get lost? I know Wompy fairly well, but there are plenty of little splits in trails etc that aren't always on the map. I just want to make sure it is clear where to go on raceday!
    Yes the Landmine course is very well marked, we spent a lot of time and effort to try and make sure all racers stay on course. Ultimately racers are responsible for navigating their course but steps we take to make this as easy as possible include:

    • 700-800 arrows used
    • 8000-10000 ft of race tape
    • spray chalk on all pavement crossings
    • 2'x4' signage at major intersections
    • color coded signage for each course length to match published map
    • wrong way red "W" signage to denote incorrect directions


    At minimum racers should expect 3 arrows per turn: 1 slanted arrow before the turn, 1 horizontal arrow at the turn, 1 confirmation arrow after the turn to assure racers the correct turn has been made.
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    I recognize that this is a total noob question but I have never raced before. As someone who has never entered a race would it be appropriate to register for the beginner category? I would prefer to ride the 11 mile loop. Or as a completely inexperienced racer should I be in the 6 mile new comers loop? I have never races but I feel my skills and knowledge of Wampatuck are adequate.

    Thanks to anyone that can provide some clarification for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonBoy View Post
    I recognize that this is a total noob question but I have never raced before. As someone who has never entered a race would it be appropriate to register for the beginner category? I would prefer to ride the 11 mile loop. Or as a completely inexperienced racer should I be in the 6 mile new comers loop? I have never races but I feel my skills and knowledge of Wampatuck are adequate.

    Thanks to anyone that can provide some clarification for me.
    I would recommend you register for whatever distance you feel comfortable with and/or will be a challenge for you. Under USAC rules you have the option to race any of the 3 distances at Landmine since you are allowed to self promote all the way to Cat. 2 (sport) if you'd like. If you are comfortable with an 11mi ride, I would say go for it.
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    Thanks for the information. Looking forward to the race.

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    looking at the Marathon SS option as my first 50miler and 2nd race ever (if you count SinglespeedUSA as a race)

    Any thoughts from others who have accomplished this? How grueling is this course?
    Seems like a challenging course to determine gearing too (not that I'm asking) as it's fast, long, with some techi sections.
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    Is there a way to share the specific GPX files? I want to preride the courses and don't have a Garmin device which seems to be necessary to download from the "course map" link you provided.

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    Pre ride

    Dan,

    When are you thinking of checking out the course? I live nearby and know it well. I'd like to get a few laps in before race day. Happy to show you around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prophet Julio View Post
    Dan,

    When are you thinking of checking out the course? I live nearby and know it well. I'd like to get a few laps in before race day. Happy to show you around.
    That would be pretty sweet. Not sure what my schedule is like next week but was thinking of heading down whatever weekday I have off... Any chance you have weekdays free or is it nights and weekends only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    Is there a way to share the specific GPX files? I want to preride the courses and don't have a Garmin device which seems to be necessary to download from the "course map" link you provided.
    If you create an account and log in to the Garmin site, you'll have an "Export" option.

    If you don't wish to create an account, let me know which course you'd like and I'll send it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    That would be pretty sweet. Not sure what my schedule is like next week but was thinking of heading down whatever weekday I have off... Any chance you have weekdays free or is it nights and weekends only?
    I might be able to go later next week by day. 4 PM would work on Thursday or Friday if I can't go earlier. Will do the course on Saturday and or Sunday next weekend. Camping with the family this weekend.
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    Looks like our schedules won't match up. I'm going on Wednesday, since that's my day off. I'll take the old paper maps unless I can find some GPS info to load onto my phone. The Landmine Classic website says they have "GPS Tracks" to download, but it only seems like you can use those tracks with a proprietary Garmin device/account...
    Thanks for the offer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    Looks like our schedules won't match up. I'm going on Wednesday, since that's my day off. I'll take the old paper maps unless I can find some GPS info to load onto my phone. The Landmine Classic website says they have "GPS Tracks" to download, but it only seems like you can use those tracks with a proprietary Garmin device/account...
    Thanks for the offer though.
    car_nut's post above explains how you can DL the gpx files from the Garmin site, all that is required is a registration to the site. We also replied to your FB post with email contact on obtaining a gpx file via email, check there as well.
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    Hi,
    Could I do the pre ride with you? what day and time are you thinking

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by skunkty14 View Post
    car_nut's post above explains how you can DL the gpx files from the Garmin site, all that is required is a registration to the site. We also replied to your FB post with email contact on obtaining a gpx file via email, check there as well.
    I got the email! Much appreciated!

    I have the courses loaded up on MotionX and I'll be riding them Wednesday if anyone would like to join me. I'll be getting to Wompatuck sometime between 9 am and 10 am depending on traffic from the Boston area.

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    I am going to be doing the marathon option and had never been to Wompatuck before so I went last week for a pre-ride. It was very helpful to check out the terrain - it should be a great event. I figured I would share my experience since it might help others.

    Went equipped with my bike computer/GPS (Garmin Edge 500), my Droid with a tracking program, and a hardcopy map of the route. I definitely used all three to navigate. First off - thanks for the route download provided - it was very helpful. However, I had to stop a lot to orient and I went the wrong way several times before getting back on track. One problem was they were doing composting work with heavy equipment and closed a section of the trail loop while this was going on but this was only temporary I imagine.

    Never having followed a GPS route before and having the Edge 500 as a new bike computer was not a great combination. There are a ton of turns and intersections in Wompatuck which makes it confusing but fortunately many of them are marked. One thing I did not pick up on which would have helped is that when you face the trail markers you are facing North, this will help with orienting on the paper map.

    GPS reception for me faded in and out a lot, presumably because of the tree canopy that you are usually under. Also on the Edge the route is just one line with no other trails or topo shown so there is no real perspective when you come to intersections. If possible a GPS unit with the full trail layer and topo or aerials would be best.

    I used the paper map a lot and with sweat and repeatedly stuffing into my jersey pocket it was pretty much toast by the end of the lap. The Droid with the track overlaid on the aerial view was handy to confirm my basic location when needed. But having it in my pack made it hard to access for quick reference. Have fun in there everyone, it looks to be an excellent time and I am looking forward to it.

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    Just a few other quick thoughts - it definitely would help considerably to go with someone who knows the trails if you just want to dial in the course. For me I had the day off and had a fairly leisurely exploration and that is a fun way to go if you have the time. I wanted to start and finish at the official South Field location so I parked in a pull-out across the road from S-20 and rode in on the paved, but closed to traffic, roads.

    Topped off the ride with some fresh cool water from the Mt. Blue Spring. Don't know if it has any special medicinal properties but it seemed appropriate to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakfish View Post
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    Also on the Edge the route is just one line with no other trails or topo shown so there is no real perspective when you come to intersections. If possible a GPS unit with the full trail layer and topo or aerials would be best.
    You can download map databases from Open Street Map. It has all the trails in Wompy. Read the readme file to figure out which map db to download. You'll need a micro SD card bigger than 2GB to hold the maps. Copy it to a folder called /Garmin on the SD card, reboot the Garmin and select the new map and you're good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakfish View Post
    Just a few other quick thoughts - it definitely would help considerably to go with someone who knows the trails if you just want to dial in the course. For me I had the day off and had a fairly leisurely exploration and that is a fun way to go if you have the time. I wanted to start and finish at the official South Field location so I parked in a pull-out across the road from S-20 and rode in on the paved, but closed to traffic, roads.

    Topped off the ride with some fresh cool water from the Mt. Blue Spring. Don't know if it has any special medicinal properties but it seemed appropriate to do.
    Oh, it has medicinal properties alright

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    WTF on the water! Won't be doing that again - of course those chemicals probably aren't that bad

    Thanks for the info DirtyJack - are you racing at the Landmine?

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    Yak fish.. Interesting about your bike computers but what are the trails like? From the map it looks smooth and fast until the last 15 miles or so where it goes deeper into the woods.

    Manageable on a rigid bike you think?

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    adinpapa - There are a lot of regulars who ride Wompatuck who would have much more informed opinions than me and hopefully they can chime in. My feeling is that you are right that the second half or so of the course to the east of the main access road is more technical in nature. I will be racing on a HT but if you are used to riding rigid you should be fine.

    I imagine as the miles add up that the rigid could get tougher to ride, especially for those doing two laps. It is New England riding so there are the usual roots, rocks etc. I think I will be able to ride almost everything. A few short sandy steeps may make me dismount and a few tricky rock sections that will certainly get more difficult on the second pass.

    The course in general should be fast and fun and relatively smooth - I imagine riders will be on everything from rigid singlespeeds to all-mountain fs bikes. Good luck and hope to see you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyjack View Post
    Oh, it has medicinal properties alright
    Dammmmmm. I ride here usually 2-3 times a week and the spring was always halfway/rest/refill spot. I knew about the artillery, but never thought about the groundwater and the spring. Feel like I need to get checked out now. Good luck to all those racing.

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    Thanks yakfish , that's very helpful. Hope my confidence builds all the way to bikereg registration page to seal the deal.
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    For GPS users who aren't using Garmin devices and/or prefer not to use Garmin Connect we now have raw gpx files hosted on the FOW site that you can find here Friends of Wompatuck.
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    in fact for trail type bikes I am tired of QR roady ****e in general. Lets move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakfish View Post
    WTF on the water! Won't be doing that again - of course those chemicals probably aren't that bad

    Thanks for the info DirtyJack - are you racing at the Landmine?
    Yes, I'll be racing. Cat 2, 50+
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey378 View Post
    Dammmmmm. I ride here usually 2-3 times a week and the spring was always halfway/rest/refill spot. I knew about the artillery, but never thought about the groundwater and the spring. Feel like I need to get checked out now. Good luck to all those racing.
    Those chemicals are found in trace amounts in the the water surrounding the burn area, where they burned lots of bad stuff to dispose of it back in the day. I used to have a link to the website that showed the reports, but can't seem to find it anymore.

    Edit: Here's one that talks about the burn area (page 3-6).

    According to the state, the spring is tested monthly, but I don't know what they test for.

    I find the water has a weird taste, and I generally stay away from it. But plenty of people fill up 5 gallon jugs there every day.
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    I rode the 25 mile course yesterday with the assistance of the gpx files provided by the Friends of Wompatuck. It was definitely a fun ride.
    Following the course was pretty easy with the GPX track loaded on MotionX which uses the Open Cycle Maps so I could see the course I was supposed to take as well as all the marked trails right from my iphone. I did make a few wrong turns at some of the more complicated intersections (5 ways and rotaries just like MA roads!) and they often led me to more technical riding than the course offers.

    Now, the course itself... For reference I rode the 25 mile loop on a 26 inch wheeled hardtail running pressures in the low 20's with a 2.2 tire in back and 2.4 in front, usually a fairly plush ride for a hardtail. I'm not sure if I was feeling extra lazy in terms of absorbing the bumps and finding the good lines but I found the rocks and roots to be pretty relentless. The course slowly eases you into constant barrage of roots and baby heads that punished my arms and neck more than my legs or lungs. I would think a full suspension would cruise nicely on this terrain and/or a hardtail with a rider that knows the trails and lines to take.

    Rocks and roots aside, and I know some people really love them, the course is a lot of fun. The features are just technical enough to make you pause, but low penalty enough that you'll try them without pausing too much. The features themselves are very natural in that it looks the trail was brought to the technicality and not the other way around which you see on so many trails.

    I was a little hesitant going in to my ride about whether I'd decide to do the 25 mile course since I've ridden Wompy before and was intimidated by some of the rock gardens filled with boulders that plod on relentlessly, but those sections are left off of the race course making for a very continuous and rideable 25 mile loop. As mentioned earlier, there is a sandy steep or two that may be worth running up and not attempting due to spin-out possibilities and a couple of rock garden sections with some hairy ins and outs that may trip up a rider here and there, but the bumpy trails are kept mostly to the flatter sections so that climbs and descents are kept more technically mellow.

    I'm rushed for time, so that's all I have for now. I'll be updating my blog with a more detailed review shortly but have an abbreviated review and some pictures up here: Mountain Mileage: Landmine Classic Race Course Review - Wompatuck State Park

    Someone asked about riding on a rigid, and while it most certainly can be done successfully it certainly wouldn't be my choice if you're planning on doing the 25 mile or 50 mile ride.

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    great report and pics !
    I'll keep my beefy Maxxis Ardents on (2.2 back, 2.4 front) in lieu of shaving some weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    The course slowly eases you into constant barrage of roots and baby heads that punished my arms and neck more than my legs or lungs. .
    mmm hmmm. I rode with an elite female for a while during last year's Landmine and at one point (after a few miles in the tech stuff) she said "wait, haven't we already been through this section?" You almost get mesmerized by the "constant barrage." I don't think I had to get off the bike for any of it (until I flatted), but the rocks and roots do take a toll on your arms and brain.
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    The course is arrowed. We rode 18 miles of it last night. It's drying out nicely after Tuesday's rain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyjack View Post
    The course is arrowed. We rode 18 miles of it last night. It's drying out nicely after Tuesday's rain.
    Thanks for the update.

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    My first time at Wompatuck was Sunday. I rode a little over 21mi of the XC race course on my singlespeed..Fortunately my friend and I arrived at the same time as a group of riders from BikeBarn that were doing course prep/maint and also riding the course. They were more than helpful guiding us to the race start and with trail directions. We ended up meeting with a smaller group later on and riding with them for a good portion of the course. Great group of guys.

    I agree with the earlier sentiments about the barrage of roots/babyheads. Much respect to anyone doing the marathon on a rigid SS!!!

    Although I think it would be fun (and physically demanding at race pace) on my singlespeed, I'm going to be racing on my Tallboy Carbon instead in the cat2 XC category on Sunday. Looking forward to it!

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    I was running a pretty standard 32x18 on my 29er. Not really great for top speed, but with the bumpy terrain it allowed me to trudge through some rough sections at a decent clip without too much effort. According to my GPS info, I was averaging 9.6mph so I wasn't breaking any speed records Sunday.

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    glad it wasn't just me about the constant barrage of roots. i thought for a second i was just being a wuss. either way i don't do to much racing this but one i hit up every year, so much fun. i do wish they would have the marathon race and the xc race on different days though because i really would love to do both of them.

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    I went back in and ran as low pressures on my tires as ever and I have to report a pretty nice ride for a 26 inch hardtail. Of course, I only did the 11 mile loop because I was showing a friend the route who's planning on racing it on Sunday, but even the rocks and roots that were unpleasant in the 11 mile loop were much nicer. It's a little unnerving running pressures around 18 psi, but the difference in comfort and ability to roll over annoyances at speed was immense...

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    I went to the race as a spectator. Took pictures, send me your number and I will post what I got.

    I mostly wanted to check out what type of bikes people would be using becasue I am selling my current bike and am upgrading my bike. Wanted to see what people were riding in the real world vs internet forums.

    Almost all 29ers. Noticed a good amount of hard tails as well as full suspension. Makes me wonder, what do you think the ultimate setup would have been today? If I was racing today, I would pick (if I had the money), a superlight hard tail with alot of gears (there were some pretty smooth and fast sections) and with tires that shed mud cuz it was pretty wet today.

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    Bib #418

    Riding a tallboy carbon 29er...Still brutal with the wet roots and rocks...Just didn't have it today, but it was still a great time.

    -Gabe

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    #729. Trek Rumblefish. Definitely appreciated the F/S and tubeless today.

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    at least u were out there.
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    Wow, it looks so dry in those pictures....

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    looked like a fun ride...
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    Those needles were soaked... very slipery. I was taking pics at the the first woods section about 1/4 to 1/2 mile from start.

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    #788 I was on a 26" Scalpel and it was my first race ever! Cat 3, finished 4th for my class, 1:08:12.
    Any pics?

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