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    Are older Lite Speed frames better?

    say 2001 on down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Nazi
    say 2001 on down?
    IMO yes, I would say older frames are better. Litespeed have gone downhill since ABG took over.

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    Litespeed has only gone downhill when you point your Litespeed bike downhill, other than that Litespeed has developed better and better bikes each year. I have been with Litespeed since January of 1997 as a marketing mouth and previously raced mountain bikes for them from 91-96. So I have actually been here and actually know what I am talking about.
    Who else in the bike industry has a frame that weighs less than 800 grams? Who else in the bike industry has as much experience with exotic metals and tube shaping? We have constantly strived to ush the envelope of technology and while we may have stumbled here and there in general we have move upwards and onwards.
    I always encourage people to come by and visit us here and see what we actually do here. That gives you the chance to see how much we actually do and also experience the passion of our employees. Then I encourage you to visit your favorite brand of bikes and see what they actually do other than marketing.

    Cheers and happy trails

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    For some reason people love to bash Litespeed. I've seen it happening for 10+ years. Never really understood why. Anyway, my '99 Owl Hollow is still going strong. I would like the option of disc brakes, though. Can you guys retrofit a mount and, if so, how much would it cost? I gather a new drop out needs to be welded on.

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    They do track nicely going down hill

    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert
    Litespeed has only gone downhill when you point your Litespeed bike downhill, other than that Litespeed has developed better and better bikes each year. I have been with Litespeed since January of 1997 as a marketing mouth and previously raced mountain bikes for them from 91-96. So I have actually been here and actually know what I am talking about.
    Who else in the bike industry has a frame that weighs less than 800 grams? Who else in the bike industry has as much experience with exotic metals and tube shaping? We have constantly strived to ush the envelope of technology and while we may have stumbled here and there in general we have move upwards and onwards.
    I always encourage people to come by and visit us here and see what we actually do here. That gives you the chance to see how much we actually do and also experience the passion of our employees. Then I encourage you to visit your favorite brand of bikes and see what they actually do other than marketing.

    Cheers and happy trails

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    I am very happy with my 01 Pisgah and I believe you that the new ones are just as good.

    I was wondering if they are still built in the US? Mine was but I wouldn't be heart broken if I ever had to replace it with one made in Taiwan as long as the quality was good.

    Also was the 2001 and older HTs built for 80mm or 63mm travel forks?

    I believe, (correct me if I'm wrong) that the Pisgahs built after 2001 were built with a 100mm fork in mind? is this still the case? I like 80mm designs but realize a lot of people nowadays favor 100mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert
    Litespeed has only gone downhill when you point your Litespeed bike downhill, other than that Litespeed has developed better and better bikes each year. I have been with Litespeed since January of 1997 as a marketing mouth and previously raced mountain bikes for them from 91-96. So I have actually been here and actually know what I am talking about.
    Who else in the bike industry has a frame that weighs less than 800 grams? Who else in the bike industry has as much experience with exotic metals and tube shaping? We have constantly strived to ush the envelope of technology and while we may have stumbled here and there in general we have move upwards and onwards.
    I always encourage people to come by and visit us here and see what we actually do here. That gives you the chance to see how much we actually do and also experience the passion of our employees. Then I encourage you to visit your favorite brand of bikes and see what they actually do other than marketing.

    Cheers and happy trails

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    Sorry Herbert, but since you are on ABG's payroll your opinion is certainly biased. In the late 90's I dreamt of having a Litespeed, but in 2004 when I had the cash for a Ti frmae, Litespeed were no longer the force they used to be. ABG took care of that. Internet forums were littered with complaints about broken frames, misaligned dropouts etc etc. The guys on the "custom side" are supposed to be much better, but the standard "off the shelf" frames come off a production line where the frame builder doesn't seem to care about the finished product. Merlin however seem to have done Ok after ABG, although their new decals seem to have become very "Litespeedish" and resemble those from a "Kitchig" Supermarket bike.

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    A Bit!

    I think that two aspects of Litespeed that is worse are:
    1. Use of Integrated Headsets
    2. The Alu frames that have cheapened the Litespeed name a bit.

    The frame breakages could be due to Litespeed getting too clever with their tube manipulation and saving a little too much weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffbomb
    I think that two aspects of Litespeed that is worse are:
    1. Use of Integrated Headsets
    2. The Alu frames that have cheapened the Litespeed name a bit.

    TFluff

    Unlike most manufacturers we have virtually eliminated integrated headsets for 2006 and the only aluminum bike in our lineup is the aluminum version of the Niota Ti.

    @ 20-bandh: We have never claimed that we are perfect, but neither is any other manufacturer. We push the envelope of technology and we offer a lifetime warranty to the original owner. How many other companies do that? As to rumors etc online, it is pretty easy to be negative in a world where anonymity rules. :-)

    @ Bike Nazi: All of our titanium bikes are built right here in TN and we still build bikes for other companies right here in this facility.

    @ fiend: We really don't retrofit frames as we want to design a frame from the base up with disc brakes in mind with the correct cable routing.


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    My experience about craftsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Nazi
    say 2001 on down?
    i owned 4 litespeed frame before. Finally i change to 05' merlin xlm.
    Ocoee ht - 199X - perfect,
    Tellico - 1997 - perfect,
    Tanasi - 2000 - mis-alignment of the head tube and seat tube, after i installed my brand new headset,stem,handlebar and seatpost, i saw from the front of it, the seatpost is not perpendicular to the handlebar - make me disappointed,
    Sewanee - 2005 - brake stud is not parallel to each other - make me very very disappointed again,i will NEVER buy litespeed again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny
    i owned 4 litespeed frame before. Finally i change to 05' merlin xlm.
    Ocoee ht - 199X - perfect,
    Tanasi - 1997 - perfect,
    Tanasi - 2000 - mis-alignment of the head tube and seat tube, after i installed my brand new headset,stem,handlebar and seatpost, i saw from the front of it, the seatpost is not perpendicular to the handlebar - make me disappointed,
    Sewanee - 2005 - brake stud is not parallel to each other - make me very very disappointed again,i will NEVER buy litespeed again.
    Interesting, I was considering a Niota, but it seems that the majority of the people are not happy with it. I am sure that it is a wonderfully designed bike, but I see that the quality is just not there. I would go for the Niota Ti right now if it weren't for these negative reviews.

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    Yes, I wanted a Tanasi but changed my mind upon reading such reviews. It is clear that Litespeed has turned from a small builder with heart to a production line since ABG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffunda
    Interesting, I was considering a Niota, but it seems that the majority of the people are not happy with it. I am sure that it is a wonderfully designed bike, but I see that the quality is just not there. I would go for the Niota Ti right now if it weren't for these negative reviews.

    I have been riding my Niota for 1 year and abusing it and its awesome!!!
    Great climber and decender , light and easy to throw around

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    Ocoee /FS Full Suspension

    I found an old Litespeed Ocoee F/S in really good condition. Anybody know when Litespeed stopped making these. Are they sought after?

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    I never had any problems in the past 10 years with my Litespeed frames.

    The CATALYST is still on the road, the OBED FS hangs at the wall, but is still perfect. The UNICOI is sold to a friend and now I enjoy the fantastic SEWANEE! There are no differences in welds, frame alignment or quality so far.

    The customer service of ABG is the best in the world - even overseas!


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    Titus, Moots, Dean, and Morati are just a few of the companies that dealt with Titanium and for a long time. Even Mongoose has years ago with those Sandvik TST frames.

    Threads like this are valuable to a company listening to do something constructive with, rather than lash out at the naysayers. Many of us have seen the decline of Litespeed quality over the years and NOT the technology that is filibustering this thread by Herbert. Companies should look at these threads, address the customers, then look and see why they have this image.

    What's wrong? One can get custom Ti from other manufacturers for less than an off the production line Litespeed. Another problem is the frames should be perfect, especially at that price. Don't know how they're getting out of the QC department. Customer service could be better. We always hear about the aftersales support being poor, as well as to the dealers.

    IMAGE! People have a negative image of Litespeed, so that should be addressed aggressively. Then there was the Tomac fiasco with the multiple broken frames people were seeing and their demise.

    Just remember that for everyone posting here, there are 20 silent people not buying anything ABG related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken

    Threads like this are valuable to a company listening to do something constructive with, rather than lash out at the naysayers. Many of us have seen the decline of Litespeed quality over the years and NOT the technology that is filibustering this thread by Herbert. Companies should look at these threads, address the customers, then look and see why they have this image.
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    Herbert's replies can hardly be described as 'lashing out' or 'filibustering'. So he works for the company and e sees things one way. If you worked for a company in which negative things were said, wouldn't you be tempted to defend it? I think his responses were proper. They certainly weren't out of line.
    That said, I own a 2001 Litespeed and it's perfect. I have heard the complaints and can't deny them (though there's usually a few who like to say this or that and portray a second hand story as first hand experience). I know only one other Litespeed owner (Ti Niota) who quite pleased with his.
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    I believe my Pisgah is also a 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Weasel
    Herbert's replies can hardly be described as 'lashing out' or 'filibustering'. So he works for the company and e sees things one way. If you worked for a company in which negative things were said, wouldn't you be tempted to defend it? I think his responses were proper. They certainly weren't out of line.
    That said, I own a 2001 Litespeed and it's perfect. I have heard the complaints and can't deny them (though there's usually a few who like to say this or that and portray a second hand story as first hand experience). I know only one other Litespeed owner (Ti Niota) who quite pleased with his.
    or 2000, at any rate it is the finest hardtail I've ever owned, handling, quality and appearance wise. I weigh in at 190+ with out gear, this bike has been hammered up and down many a nasty singletracks.
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    it's a 2001 Pisgah that can be seen in the below thread. My toptube decal is a bit different from yours, although I did buy it later new in Spring 2002.
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    I've owned a 2001 Pisgah, 2002 Unicoi and 2003 Lookout. Rode and raced the crap out of the Pisgah for about 2 years, then sold it to a friend who has done the same since then and will continue to do so for the next few years on the same frame. Its been an awesome frame. The other 2 frames while I can say they had any problems the only real complaint I have is that the finish looked rushed and not as well done as the Pisgah. What really made my experience with the last two rather misareble was the retarded change to integrated headsets. I had so many issue's with them it was enough for me to want to get rid of both the Unicoi and Lookout. I think its great they finally dropped them and went back to standard headsets. In the end I really just got tired of hardtails and have moved on to FS since. At the time Litespeed seemed to have no intention of building a real FS bike. Once the Niota came out it was really just another outrageosly expensive Ti bike which is really for people with a Ti fetish. I just think there are better bikes for the money as far as FS is concerned (in both Ti and Al). The Pisgah has been one of the best bikes I have ever owned but if I were to ever consider another Ti bike I don't think Litespeed would necessarily be one of my top choices again. There are so many quality custom Ti builders out there for roughly the same price that Litespeed just fades away as an option.

    Someone above mentioned that they think there is no reason for such an expensive bike to be anything but perfect out of the factory and I whole heartedly agree. When someone is paying that much for a bike there is no excuse that any of those bikes should pass QC anything less than perfectly aligned. If they think otherwise then they should not be surprised to find buyers are loosing interest in their brand.

    I think a good deal of the problem with Litespeed is not really a quality issue. Maybe it has been, I don't know that but the perception I mostly note with them is that they are seen as an expensive production line builder in a market that is full of highly reputable custom Ti builders that pride themselves in building top notch flawless frames. Technology and fancy shaped tubes are not enough in a market were people are seemingly more interested in more tradition and custom build. Quite simply put, nobody really cares about mass produced Ti frames anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Nazi
    or 2000, at any rate it is the finest hardtail I've ever owned, handling, quality and appearance wise. I weigh in at 190+ with out gear, this bike has been hammered up and down many a nasty singletracks.
    What model do you got weasel?
    Those decals appear to be 2000. The 2001 Pisgah logo was smaller and all yellow. The top tubes were made longer in 2001+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hecubus
    Quite simply put, nobody really cares about mass produced Ti frames anymore.
    I really would encourage you to come by one day and see how our frames are crafted here, and I am convinced that "mass produced" would not be in your mind any more when you think about Litespeed. We are actually planning to have several options for factory tours in the week leading up to the Tour de Georgia, as lots of cycling fans will be in town that week. But everyone is really welcome any other time too, just call us a day ahead and be sure to wear solid shoes.

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    I'm thinking on buying a 2006 Litespeed Niota AL but looking at this comments I am doubting in buying this one although looks quite good.

    can you guys give advice?

    thanks
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    Forget about Litespeed. Shop around and you will be able to get something much better for your money.

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    heres the deal a Niota 2006 AL all XT or XTR on 1,099 dollars brand new thats my budget. another option i was thinking is ibex or ironhorse
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    I have a Taccoa (1999 I think) and have never had any problems with it. I don't follow what's happened as far as the company being sold, but hopefully it won't ever be an issue if I don't need any warranty work done. I've also heard through the grapevine that Litespeed has "gone downhill" and do notice the cheaper aluminum models in stores.

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    I understand that some people have voiced concerns about industry folks like me defending negative items about the products they make, or just sharing their passion for the sport.
    But I am a bit surprised that people never seem to question anonymous posters who only say negative stuff about the same companies over and over. Has anyone ever thought that maybe some company employees use ficticious names and just say bad stuff about their competitors? Or that maybe some consumers did not get the sponsorship deal they wanted or a fake warranty issue was not handled and all of the sudden the internet gives them power to post and say what ever they want.
    Conicidently that time when more and more people started hanging out in forums is also around 1999/2000. :-)

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    Unicoi... what a crazy experiment.

    What a trip down memory lane!

    I had a Unicoi about 1997 I think. Bought the frame from Colorado Cycling as I recall. It was pretty inexpensive. Man what a loopy bike. I beat the daylights out of it and I was fixing and working on that so-called rear shock or the ovalized and galled headtube every weekend.

    After about eight months of owining it, I finally broke the weld on the left chainstay at the BB. Credit to Litespeed, I sent it to them and they fixed it somehow, buffed it out, even the deeper scratches, put on new decals and sent it back to me good as new. All free.

    It looked sweet but was still a crappy ride. Talk about a laterally flexy frame! So I sold it to someone on eBay.... but hey, that's life. Live and learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert
    I understand that some people have voiced concerns about industry folks like me defending negative items about the products they make, or just sharing their passion for the sport.
    But I am a bit surprised that people never seem to question anonymous posters who only say negative stuff about the same companies over and over. Has anyone ever thought that maybe some company employees use ficticious names and just say bad stuff about their competitors? Or that maybe some consumers did not get the sponsorship deal they wanted or a fake warranty issue was not handled and all of the sudden the internet gives them power to post and say what ever they want.
    Conicidently that time when more and more people started hanging out in forums is also around 1999/2000. :-)

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    Proof?

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    Herbert. I wish I did work in the bike industry. It would be a hell of alot more glamorous and enjoyable than what I do now. I think that you should substantiate your "conspiracy theory" on this forum.

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    I gave my "proof" response because a similar thing has recently happened between two manufacturers on this board. One of them uses dirty tricks against the other. How the claim didn't end up in a big lawsuit is beyond me. Or maybe something happened behind the scenes. Don't know. Similarly, that manufacturer also put his foot in his mouth here several times and blamed the consumers for his bad public image and failing frames.

    The issue here is what I mentioned somewhere else here: Litespeed should be looking inward and see why people dislike them, not reaching for conspiracy theories and blaming disgruntled people.

    This is proof that they are so distant from their actual public image and not taking the negative views seriously.

    Again, Herbert has the burden of telling us which manufacturers are planting posts and backing up where the info came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert
    I understand that some people have voiced concerns about industry folks like me defending negative items about the products they make, or just sharing their passion for the sport.
    But I am a bit surprised that people never seem to question anonymous posters who only say negative stuff about the same companies over and over. Has anyone ever thought that maybe some company employees use ficticious names and just say bad stuff about their competitors? Or that maybe some consumers did not get the sponsorship deal they wanted or a fake warranty issue was not handled and all of the sudden the internet gives them power to post and say what ever they want.
    Conicidently that time when more and more people started hanging out in forums is also around 1999/2000. :-)

    Why can't we all just get along?

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    I think you are correct about the slander that happens here. there are a few bad apples. all and all a good group of people here. but there are people here that have the vested interest, LBS trying to move some of thier other products. some people are just mal adjusted. and brand loyalist.

    if they troll and get banned they just come back. and even one troll can sprot a mob of opinion here.

    personaly I wouldn't recomend you post your defense here under your offical title. becuase you just can't win. even if you are in the right.

    you could post as a positive force in this forum, proactivly. ie, toss us people in the internet comunity a bone once in a while. example. factory tour pictures. show your enthusiasm by posting pictures of your ride or pictures from your riding trips. put some faces to the voice.

    I ignore jerk chicken as he trolls every forum. its just his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    enjoy chasing me around the boards ?

    the slug is funny. , I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    The issue here is what I mentioned somewhere else here: Litespeed should be looking inward and see why people dislike them, not reaching for conspiracy theories and blaming disgruntled people.

    This is proof that they are so distant from their actual public image and not taking the negative views seriously.

    Again, Herbert has the burden of telling us which manufacturers are planting posts and backing up where the info came from.
    Jerk,
    No one in our company has ever said the we are with out fault. We certainly can get better of course and we hang out in forums to listen to what our customers have to say and to learn. We have actually gotten some nice feedback and we have responded.
    IE, no more carbon seatstays on our roadbikes and no more internal headsets, all things folks on forums told us they did not like. So yes we listen, and yes we hear you.
    But we learn nothing from folks who say stuff like "we are just ****."
    As for burdens of manufacturers planting posts I was not pointing fingers at anyone specifically but just gave something to think about. In other forums (ie Slowtwitch) the moderators have found several folks that posted as consumers and were found that the postings came from a brand IP address. Hmmm?
    Either way, maybe I am just different but here is a personal internet experience for me. Other than bikes and cycling I like cars and I really like my Mini Cooper S. Along those lines I personally don't like GM cars or Chrysler cars and I find it always not nice when I get to "test" one from various car rentals. I hang out in MINI Cooper forums and love to share my passion there too and love to hang out in more general forums too, but I never go to GM or Chrysler forums to "share" my dislikes for those cars. But then I really don't own one, so I guess I have less invested.

    FYI, I raced mountain bikes professionally from 1991 -1995 and I am not just some marketing mouth, I am passionate about bikes and cycling.

    And I ask again, is it so tough to get along? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert

    And I ask again, is it so tough to get along? :-)

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    I don't know if this makes you feel better, but I LOVE my old Litespeed Taccoa hardtail. It's the only mountain bike I currently own (after breaking 2 Kleins) and I can't see ever getting rid of it. I've done so much on that thing and it's still "like new" as far as the frame goes. I know the hardtail is a simpler beast then full-sus, but I still love it.

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    I saw the litespeed booth at the hand built bike showcase this weekend. litespeed and merlin hanging out with the litle guys. it was a small show. nice to see that litespeed is still part of the small bike builder culture.

    the bikes looked beautifull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FxFvD
    I'm thinking on buying a 2006 Litespeed Niota AL but looking at this comments I am doubting in buying this one although looks quite good.

    can you guys give advice?

    thanks

    I ride weekly with 2 guys on Litespeed AL Niotas. They handle well, take a beating and have nothing but quality welds and craftsmanship in them. I'm always impressed by the Litespeed products in town. I have never seen a manufacturer without a defect (In anything from bikes to cars so no need to pick on a single manufacturer.). Litespeed pays attention to the customers and takes care of them and it's how a manufacturer handled the problems that makes them good in my mind.

    I've met several of the Litespeed employees in town from local rides to race events and they are all really stand up folks.

    Trey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asahi
    I ride weekly with 2 guys on Litespeed AL Niotas. They handle well, take a beating and have nothing but quality welds and craftsmanship in them. I'm always impressed by the Litespeed products in town. I have never seen a manufacturer without a defect (In anything from bikes to cars so no need to pick on a single manufacturer.). Litespeed pays attention to the customers and takes care of them and it's how a manufacturer handled the problems that makes them good in my mind.

    I've met several of the Litespeed employees in town from local rides to race events and they are all really stand up folks.

    Trey
    This wouldn't happen to be the Trey from HT and itrca.. would it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRIDE
    This wouldn't happen to be the Trey from HT and itrca.. would it?
    Same one. Trey on ITRCA and Asahi on HT. Do I know you?

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    Not really.. I'm sure we've had some type of convo on the HT board before. My SN is DsR. I own '97 #262.

    You are famous to R owners! You are the hero Expo organizer whom we are all indebted too.. But I had no idea you were a mtb'r!

    to stay on topic.. do you know anyone interested in a Tsali frame. I'm looking to sell mine:

    How much to ask for my Tsali frame?

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    <----vapor on HT

    Does Litespeed have any plans on a rigid 29er?

    And I also take it that Litespeed doesn't warrenty frames from 2nd owners?

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    I recognize the name from HT. Where do you live?

    I've not heard of any rigid 29 er plans but I'll drop the suggestion or Herbert can just read it here

    I honestly don't know of any bike manufacturer that will warranty a second owner frame so without knowing specifically I'd guess Litespeed is no different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRIDE
    Not really.. I'm sure we've had some type of convo on the HT board before. My SN is DsR. I own '97 #262.

    You are famous to R owners! You are the hero Expo organizer whom we are all indebted too.. But I had no idea you were a mtb'r!

    to stay on topic.. do you know anyone interested in a Tsali frame. I'm looking to sell mine:

    How much to ask for my Tsali frame?
    I've been Mtn biking for about 4 years now. I started racing mountain bikes theyear after the 2003 Expo that I did and am in my 3rd season. I'm a mid pack Sport racer. If any ITR owner is in the Middle/Eastern part of TN area PM me and I'd be happy to show you some trails

    Trey

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    so cal

    After riding a 29er, I'm selling my turner burner and upgrading.

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    I just saw this thread.

    Herbert, just a note of thanks for appearing in this forum. FWIW, I thought your responses were reasonable, and well thought out. The silent majority are intelligent enough to see and ignore groundless (and mindless) accusations.

    As for the Litespeed company, I had an Appalachian once, and due to circumstances, had to sell it. I have never stopped regretting it. It was very stable and confidence inspiring. Just a tad heavy but for me that was a plus because it was my do-all bike. I wanted it very tough. Disc tabs would be a bonus but mine did not come with them.

    ciao, fishy
    ps. I am on the lookout for a nice 55cm Blue Ridge frame (Appalachian replacement). If anyone knows of any closeout deals, I would greatly appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishy
    I just saw this thread.


    ps. I am on the lookout for a nice 55cm Blue Ridge frame (Appalachian replacement). If anyone knows of any closeout deals, I would greatly appreciate it.
    there appears to be one on ebay right now....
    (not mine by the way)
    Wanted:
    Morati rigid fork (disk)

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    Saw that madhatter. Thanks!

    Apparently, there are some chainsuck as well as other marks and I have been waiting for 2 days now for closeup pictures but the seller have not yet gotten back to me, as well as answer whether he/she is the original owner. I am not comfortable so far, so I guess I will not be bidding. I would really like one, but I will still walk away from a deal if I am not comfortable.

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    While I do know of several very satisfied riders of variuos Litespeed products it is the after sales support that people complain about. That includes me. I broke my Tomac frame and my LBS can't even get a response from ABG to initiate the warranty. Everyone is saying 8-9 weeks minimum to get a new frame if at all. I personnally have never heard of the process taking more than 4 from other manufactures. And Litespeed says they are concerned about the customer? I don't see it.
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    That's why it is good to have a spare ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by rmittel
    While I do know of several very satisfied riders of variuos Litespeed products it is the after sales support that people complain about. That includes me. I broke my Tomac frame and my LBS can't even get a response from ABG to initiate the warranty. Everyone is saying 8-9 weeks minimum to get a new frame if at all. I personnally have never heard of the process taking more than 4 from other manufactures. And Litespeed says they are concerned about the customer? I don't see it.
    years ago I broke a Marin HT, they upgraded me with a current year model some weeks later. Two years later it broke again and I was once again rewarded with a shiney new updated frame, weeks later.

    IMO, anytime you get an off road part warranted, partial, full, weeks or months later you are way ahead of the game.

    Guess how long the motorcycle manufacturerers warranty their dirt bikes for?

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    I tend to like disceptations in the forums. I frown when people get angry with someone for simply giving a contrary opinion. Can you imagine what sort of forum a bunch of Litespeed simonizers would make. Granted, the only opinions of any real value are from those who actually have some proximity to the product. Simply echoing what someone else said in another forum is inane, we can all read and have most likely read it ourselves. Herbert, if you are still reading this thread (it looks like it might be dying) I commend you for standing your ground, but you need to get your head out of the clouds. Commenting that you "never said your product was perfect" is not the same as recognizing actual and potential issues. If you really were a mountain biker at heart and not a "corporate mouth" like you say, then give us your insiders scoop. What are some issues with the newer models since the companies takeover. Do you think a custom built Ti bike is superior considering its tailored fit. I can tell you in fashion, a $1500 tailored suit will beat any $4000 Versace/Armani suit off the rack. I just bought a 1996 Litespeed Obed, and am new to Ti frames-hence my interest in this forum. All of that said, I would speculate that a certain amount of this rallying to the older models is typical of the vintage movement which has hit every industry- even the car business with the mustang and mini throwbacks. Good discussion
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    Milly, Thanks for keeping the thread alive

    Quote Originally Posted by milly225
    I tend to like disceptations in the forums. I frown when people get angry with someone for simply giving a contrary opinion. Can you imagine what sort of forum a bunch of Litespeed simonizers would make. Granted, the only opinions of any real value are from those who actually have some proximity to the product. Simply echoing what someone else said in another forum is inane, we can all read and have most likely read it ourselves. Herbert, if you are still reading this thread (it looks like it might be dying) I commend you for standing your ground, but you need to get your head out of the clouds. Commenting that you "never said your product was perfect" is not the same as recognizing actual and potential issues. If you really were a mountain biker at heart and not a "corporate mouth" like you say, then give us your insiders scoop. What are some issues with the newer models since the companies takeover. Do you think a custom built Ti bike is superior considering its tailored fit. I can tell you in fashion, a $1500 tailored suit will beat any $4000 Versace/Armani suit off the rack. I just bought a 1996 Litespeed Obed, and am new to Ti frames-hence my interest in this forum. All of that said, I would speculate that a certain amount of this rallying to the older models is typical of the vintage movement which has hit every industry- even the car business with the mustang and mini throwbacks. Good discussion
    Just wanted to comment on your custom build question,
    IMO most of us have been through enough bike frames to of had one that really fits us well.
    For me custom would be a waste of time and money being I'd just be coping dimensions from my older 16.5 Pisgah or a medium Chameleon.

    And although I appreciate my Pisgah, what really is a bike company? Other than a maker or subcontractor of a frame amongst many a good frame makers and suppliers?

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    There is a consignment shop in Asheville, North Carolina called Second Gear that has a Blue Ridge...no idea what year or size, but you might call them. 828-258-0757

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    I hope you love that '96 Litespeed Obed as much as I love mine. I bought it new in '96, and although every part on it has been replaced bit by bit over time ( I think the stem may be the same), i would NEVER part with the frame. You can tell it was built for the terrain around Pisgah.

    My 240 lb husband cracked his Obed years ago and it was replaced by LS. He has a Tanasi now. And a Vortex. I have a Ghisallo. The road bikes came years after the mtn bikes, and there was little question what we would buy. We like to climb.

    I glad I'm not Herbert, it would stress me out to argue w/ the hatred getting spewed all over him for what reason I'm not sure. "People don't like Litespeed" How are you going to argue cogently with statements like that? The truth is, Litespeed was super popular, and there will always be people who think it makes them look smart to hate whatever is popular.

    In my area, and I assume all over, the Litespeed "trend" is over. All my friends who bought Litespeed mountain bikes after we did now have Santa Cruz. All my friends who bought Litepseed road bikes now have something Carbon...most likely Orbea. Bikes have fashions just like clothes. It doesn't mean the bikes aren't good anymore, just that the people who don't always think for themselves have found another fad.

    Anyhow, hope you enjoy it Milly - see Obed-induced smile below:
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