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    Merlin Works 4.0

    hi there,

    are there any Works 4.0 owners out there or did anyone already have a chance to ride this bike?
    Any experiences, pros and cons you could share?
    Am interested to learn some details about this babe.
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    on paper it's an ellsworth truth with a ti front triangle. so ride characteristic will be similar to a truth... why not check out the threads over at the ellsworth forum?

    i don't think there are many works 4 owners around as yet.. still new and too pricey!? so a review is gonna be tough to come by. but i would think it as a truth with more responsive front.

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    I don't believe there are any owners yet. I know a Litespeed employee what should be riding one in the nxt week or 2 that is thesame size as me. I'll hopefully take it for a spin at our Festival October 7th. I could report back if that works out. Should be a super sweet bike.

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    No owners yet but people who have ridden it (briefly) were very impressed by the working of the ICT rear suspension (Ellsworth)
    It's on my wishlist for 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bad Wolf
    No owners yet but people who have ridden it (briefly) were very impressed by the working of the ICT rear suspension (Ellsworth)
    It's on my wishlist for 2007
    Agree - it's on my wishlist too ;-) Just wondering about the frame weight. But should be possible to build up a 11kg trailbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napfgeist
    Agree - it's on my wishlist too ;-) Just wondering about the frame weight. But should be possible to build up a 11kg trailbike.
    Pricing over here ( source : ABG Europe) is 3000Ä / frame only..which is acceptable compared to Seven Duo(Lux) or Litespeed Niota (which I believe to be the major competition for this bike)

    And the hideous stickers can be replaced with more laid-back old-style Merlin ones .

    I am just wondering if it is possible to get the rear triangle in another color than black and/or have it custom made in Ti 6/4.

    I think the rear triangle section is made by Ellsworth ( logically this should be the case) and the assembly is done at Merlin.
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    Chainstay in TI 6/4 would be great upgrade for even original Ellsworth bikes

    Rear triangle section is made by Ellsworth,which is very sad and true.

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    Why sad and true?
    Afaik Ellsworth make a very good product, the quality of bearings and materials is top-notch.
    Having the swinger in Ti 6/4 would be a good place to start with
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    Chainstays break at same spot on the driveside.I have been waiting for replacement chainstay for my bike now for 5 weeks.I am not saying that Ellsworth bikes are no great to ride,My bike has been nothing but joke to riding buddies,maybe its my own fault because i did hype Ellsworth very loudly:Yeah i got the greatest bike.None of the other bikes that i used to have, can compare to Ellsworth.
    If Merlin would make their own chainstay i could consider 4,0 to my next bike,but spending big money on TI bike with chainstay manufactured by Ellsworth sounds no option to me.Bike is as good as the weakest detail on it.Hope Merlin bike really put better effort on chainstay issue.They could get new customers from E-riders who are willing to get upgrade rearend to more reliable one.
    Ps. I ride ID just because of high BB,can not find any frame to replace it in same weightclass.

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    That is disturbing news, does this also happen with Turner bikes and the likes?
    They use(d) the same type of suspension.
    Also there is a difference is usage between a XC bike and a freeride or downhill rig.
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    I think the dilemma with chainstay is not the ITC-suspenion system ,but just too weak material or bad desing when it comes to durabilty of chainstay.Mayby just beefier construction or change of material would be solution.

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    But that was breaking of chainstays was happening back in 2003 , by now the Ellsworth design has been upgraded.
    The newer ICT chainstays are beefed up if I understand correctly what Mr.Ellsworth said
    So the issue is no issue anymore, right?
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    It is matter of trust.You either belive manīs word or not.I have read about problems with even "new desing" chainstay . Both asy and regular type. I really dont care about Ellsworthbikes after todayīs experince with Ellsworth and my LBS warranty/replacement price policy ! I Need to start look for new frame...Take it easy.
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    I think they yet have to make the first bike that someone can not break or have trouble with sooner or later.
    So I''m not worried
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    Merlin Works 4.0

    Bike is VERY nice! Handles well, spend most of you time thinking about the trail, forget the bike is there. The oversized downtube is adequately stiff. Seems to dampen trail vibration beyond the suspension. Set up is a bit heavy (26lbs) for now with Crossmax XL wheels and Continential tires (700gm ea) for aggressive riding, still.. screams through winding single track, descends with confidence, and climbs without hesitation. The climbing is truly amazing. I am coming from a Ti Softail, which must eat some of my power up on climbs. The Merlin seems to pull you forward uphill thanks to the Ellsworth design. I would highly recommend this bike! A bit pricey, but then again Ti is durable and this bike should last a while.

    Rear shock - Fox Float R Custom tuned (Light Propedal)
    Front shock - Currently Fox F80X
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinworks4
    Bike is VERY nice! Handles well, spend most of you time thinking about the trail, forget the bike is there. The oversized downtube is adequately stiff. Seems to dampen trail vibration beyond the suspension. Set up is a bit heavy (26lbs) for now with Crossmax XL wheels and Continential tires (700gm ea) for aggressive riding, still.. screams through winding single track, descends with confidence, and climbs without hesitation. The climbing is truly amazing. I am coming from a Ti Softail, which must eat some of my power up on climbs. The Merlin seems to pull you forward uphill thanks to the Ellsworth design. I would highly recommend this bike! A bit pricey, but then again Ti is durable and this bike should last a while.

    Rear shock - Fox Float R Custom tuned (Light Propedal)
    Front shock - Currently Fox F80X
    Components - XTR / Easton
    Cool, can you post some pics?
    Did you get a custom one?
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    I have one in stock in the 18.75 frame size. It just came in today. I will build it up to your specs if anyone wants one now. I have an XTR/Crossmax build kit for it too.
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    Merlin Works 4.0 Picture

    Will update with a better picture soon... I did not get a custom frame. The 18.75" was perfect as far as desired geometry. I did custom on a Ti road frame, didnt feel necessary for this one. If you are going to spend that much, consider doing it, if you can locate a helpful dealer.
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    Merlin Works 4.0

    Merlin Works 4.0

    18.75"
    Fox F80X
    Crossmax XL
    Continental Vapor/Vertical UST
    XTR - 2006 - 2003 Drive
    Eatson - Control

    26 lbs. waiting to dial in fit, then upgrade parts
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinworks4
    Merlin Works 4.0

    18.75"
    Fox F80X
    Crossmax XL
    Continental Vapor/Vertical UST
    XTR - 2006 - 2003 Drive
    Eatson - Control

    26 lbs. waiting to dial in fit, then upgrade parts
    Finally a good report about the Works 4.0, thank you.
    I am actually riding a Ti-softtail and considering the Works 4.0.
    You are using the F80, dont you feel unbalanced with the F80 - should'nt be there an F100 due to the frames geometry?

    Thanks, Pius

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    Merlin Works 4.0 - 80mm front shock setup

    The F80X came off my Litespeed soft tail. I do plan on changing the fork to a 100mm travel. Probably a Fox. The bike still handles well with the 80mm. It does put me a little lower at the front end, but am used to that on my other bikes. Ellsworth website recommends 80 - 105 mm travel for the Truth which is setup just like this bike. I do feel a little unbalanced over really rough terrain, but wanted to evaluate the 80mm option. Unbalanced in terms of suspension, not handling. Will give more feed back when I change to longer travel.

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    Waiting

    I just purchased a Works 4.0 (17.5) but I am waiting on parts (07 XTR) currently so that I can ride. So far I have a Reba World Cup, Race Face Next LP cranks, Avid Juicy Ultimates, Thomson X4 stem and Masterpiece Seatpost. Im still debating on what rims to go with, either Mavic 819's or waiting on the new DT Swiss 4.2's. I will update my post as im planning on going up to Arkansas to test it out as soon as my build is complete hopefully in a couple weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickm
    I have one in stock in the 18.75 frame size. It just came in today. I will build it up to your specs if anyone wants one now. I have an XTR/Crossmax build kit for it too.
    Mmh, interesting. What is the real weight of that 18.75 frame? Can you post a picture of the frame on the scale? Thanks.

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    i will photo it when I get back to the store.
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    Please do, I'm really looking forward to see some real production unit pics.
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    Now how about a lefty-specific head tube ala "fatbeat"?A "left-truth"?I'll be the first in line...or a 96'er lefty front end with a bb around 13"?A New England trail rocket!I want one NOW!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVID J
    Now how about a lefty-specific head tube ala "fatbeat"?A "left-truth"?I'll be the first in line...or a 96'er lefty front end with a bb around 13"?A New England trail rocket!I want one NOW!!!
    I guess they could do.. probably as customized frame request, have look at the "Litespeed Obed 2007" shown @Interbike.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVID J
    Now how about a lefty-specific head tube ala "fatbeat"?A "left-truth"?I'll be the first in line...or a 96'er lefty front end with a bb around 13"?A New England trail rocket!I want one NOW!!!
    Merlin still had the licensing rights to use cannondale headtube design (Lefty/Headshock) as recently as last year. It was a custom headtube option when you ordered custom. A lefty version of this bike would be awesome.

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    I would like to see more and bigger pics.. I will probably get to ride a 17.5" Works 4.0 soon. If I like it I will buy one.
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    Winter Project

    Iíve been building my Merlin Works 4.0 up over the winter and itís nearly ready to roll! Don't ask the cost, but with Reba World Cup, Chris King Ti, Full 2007 XTR, Mavic SLR's to name a few, I'm really looking forward to the experience. I'm surprised this thread has gone a little cold and there has been very little in the bike mags about this new creation, but I guess there is some really good bike currently on the market at the moment. A friend has just bought a Titus Race X and it looks totally superb. Can't wait for the tracks to dry a bit, and try some proper cyclings, rather than peddling nowhere on my turbo trainer. Anyway, for those interested, here's a photo so far..
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    I'm not a big fan of the stickers.. for the rest it's the kind of stuff I would want on my bike as well, perhaps I'd choose XTR wheels instead of the Mavics.
    Why wait for things to dry out? Get on your bike
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    Nice bike indeed. I have not seen one in person yet but have ridden the Truth of a buddy of mine. Sweet ride.

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    Wink Merlin Spec

    Love the spec. What final weight do you envisage? Would like to see the final build - post a picture and let us all know how it rides?


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    my 4.0

    Heres a pic of my complete build. My front fork is really a reba world cup but i just swapped the casting out for black.

    Merlin Works 4.0 (17.5")
    Reba World Cup
    Race Face Next Cranks
    American Classic BB
    XTR Derailleurs & Shifters
    Thomson Masterspiece Seatpost
    Thomson X4 stem
    Avid Juicy Ultimate's (160 F/R)
    Chris King (headset & hubs)
    Mavic 819 rims
    Hutchinson Phythons
    Maxxis Ultralight tubes
    Selle Italia SLR XP seat
    Nokon Cables
    Ellsworth QR skewers
    Shimano M525 pedals (upgrading soon)

    = 25.0 lbs exact.

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    Does anybody consider it is worth protecting titanium fame with Copter Tape to eliminate cable rub? Are these frames as susceptible to dents as the Ellsworth Truth?

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    Would also be interested in advice for Titus Racer X Aluminium frame as to best protection?

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    Yes, protect them, because even though titanium is very strong and resistant, the cables do rub .It's amazing but it's true
    I use carbon patches.
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    At last, my test bike will be delivered this week. I'll post my findings in a report soon.
    Pity no more Works 4.0 series owners are around?
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    As promised, here are my first impressions. I rode the bike in moderately hilly terrain today, will take it to the real hills tomorrow or monday.

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    Another ride with the Works 4.0

    another day of fun with the Merlin Works 4.0 , this time on a lot more challenging terrain.
    The story is here

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    After 4 days of testdriving I just ordered me a Merlin Works 4.0..
    buildup will be alongs these lines.. weights of the Hope levers and calipers are guesstimates.. real weights will be lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bad Wolf
    After 4 days of testdriving I just ordered me a Merlin Works 4.0..
    buildup will be alongs these lines.. weights of the Hope levers and calipers are guesstimates.. real weights will be lower.
    Well... happy for you but I don't understand... This bike is horrible

    Ok it's a Merlin, I have no doubt the quality of the titanium work is perfect... but the triple-tube junction with the seat tube is ugly... the Ellsworth rear end looks so cheap... the weight is heavy for a 100mm rear travel compare to the new generation of xc/trail bike you can find on the market...

    Anyway, it's only my opinion... I have never ridden it and if your test went good it should be a good bike... but beside the fact you're riding a Merlin/Ellsworth bike, is it really worth it, I am not sure.

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    You forgot to mention it's a shamefully overpriced Ellsworth Truth .
    taste is a personal thing, and thats good.

    Like you said, you've never ridden it, ride it first and try to forget about cosmetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bad Wolf
    You forgot to mention it's a shamefully overpriced Ellsworth Truth .
    taste is a personal thing, and thats good.

    Like you said, you've never ridden it, ride it first and try to forget about cosmetics.
    I have never ridden it and that's why I believe you when your report says it's a good bike. Again I don't say it's not a good bike, but it's just a good bike like many others.

    But still... More than 2.4 kg for 100mm of travel, I don't see the cosmetic point on that... still an heavy frame for that travel. And no revolution to expect from the Ellsworth ITC which is known from several years by now with its qualities and defaults. And yes cosmetic is secondary but unless the bike is so revolutionary and efficient like no other, I still prefer to ride a not too ugly bike.

    IMO this bike shows that Merlin doesn't know what to do anymore with mountain bikes, they should leave the mountain bike develompment to Litespeed instead of using old stuff trying to make it new... and expensive.

    Anyway, like you said taste is a personnal thing and I don't want to make you cancel your order... you tested it, liked it and you will be happy to ride it every day, that's the most important thing.

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    From where I'm sitting, 2.4kg for frame and shock is not too bad. Not superlight either but I rather have material that goes the extra mile instead of breaking up on me. The ICT design suits me and my style of riding. I have already put it to the test on an unexpectedly hard downhill I completely misjudged, went in way too fast, and the bike just took it, saving me from an accident.
    That kinda gave me confidence in its capabilities...
    Riding the bike I don't feel the weight at all, its 25 pounds in this build , compared to other designs I've tested that is. It climbs as good as my Moots YBB, which is a reference to me when tackling uphills , and with 100mm in the downhills it's a blast, again for my kind of use, marathon mountainbiking.
    The titanium is a must for me, I have long decided not to ride any other kind of material, thats a personal choice (that costs a lot of money )
    Btw : I would have gotten me a titanium Scalpel 5 years ago if only Cannondale would make them..
    I have a Litespeed Sewanee at home I will check out next week, it's a friends' and he wanted me to ride it but it is a size too small (an S I believe, I need a 17" at least ) for me so perhaps not a fair comparison, but I will give it a spin. At 60mm it lacks a bit of travel but if the workings of the rear suspension are good this might compensate a bit for the lack of travel. Here is a pic of the two bike I took yesterday ..


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    looks are in the mine....

    Hey,

    Both bikes look cool. I was wondering if you both ever tried the Titus Racer X ti? I almost bought an Eppi but know am leaning towords the motolite Ti. I like Ti myself but want a 5" er

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    Nope, no Titus in sight over here in Europe.
    Too bad really, I'm sure its a good bike, it has a strong reputation.
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    So have you confirmed your order for the works 4.0? if u asked me, i'd say it looks fantastic! definitely on my wishlist. but personally i prefer the old-style merlin decals

    I ride a truth now.. when it gets too old i'll be looking for a replacement. i'll be looking hard at the titruth, merlin 4.0 or titus racer-x exogrid. merlin is the best in terms of value so far, but titus looks really good with the carbon/ti mix. titruth is just way over-priced

    well do post more pics when u get yours!

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    Will do, its bound to arrive in a few weeks
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    Received this pic from the temporary buildup of my 4.0 today

    Still waiting for the Thomson Elite silver 31.6/350 seatpost, a story on its own.. The Belgian distributor folded and a seatpost that was promised could not be delivered.. so my lbs contacted Thomson directly and they will help us out asap..
    So ignore the bacl seatpost (and the tower on the stem as well
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