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    what lights use MagicShine standard plug ?

    all my lights seem to have different plugs. but other people seem to be able to interchange chargers and batteries from different lights no problem. it would be nice to know ahead of time which lights use standard plugs this way i could save money on battery upgrade / replacements instead of paying hundreds for proprietary batteries which is just silly.

    so what light makers actually use magicshine plug ?

    also, if my Dosun battery fails, will i be able to purchase the lighthead-side connector to convert the Dosun for use with MagicShine batteries ?

    is there any other standard in battery plugs other than MagicShine ?

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    Only ones that I know are:

    Gemini
    Gloworm
    MagicShine

    I'm sure many "Chinese" lights are compatible.

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    The better question would of been; "Which bike lights aren't compatible with the Magicshine type connectors"? Not sure anyone has bothered with that short list. Best way to go about finding the answer is to contact the manufacturer that you are considering buying from and ask them about the compatibility issue.

    On the other hand most of the Chinese made lamps/batteries are MS compatible although on occasion you will get the odd-ball using a different set-up. Even with compatible set-ups, some work better than others.

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    magicshine connectors aren't proprietary, they're standard off-the-shelf 5.5x2.1mm dc connectors. They're inexpensive and ubiquitous, which makes them a popular choice for 2s2p battery packs and light connectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    Cat tell me - if Chinese Engineering is so superior how come half a billion ( that's a Billion with a B, Cat ) Chinese people living in China can't even speak Chinese ?

    the last time China invented anything ( Compass, Gunpowder ) was thousands of years ago.
    We've got a real problem now Androgen. Oral medication is just not strong enough. How do we fit the IV bag to the bike? Scrap that. The brand new hydration pack will do. Just throw out the water bladder.

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    Andro, you started a good thread here and now this post? Cat said nothing about superiority of Chinese engineering in his post you quoted. He said nothing about anyone preferring American engineering being a moron. Your post contributed absolutely nothing to what could be a useful thread for those looking for system compatibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    Cat tell me - if Chinese Engineering is so superior how come half a billion ( that's a Billion with a B, Cat ) Chinese people living in China can't even speak Chinese ?

    Poor little America - first with the Atom Bomb, AC electricity, Transistor, the Microchip, the Internet, GPS navigation, Stealth Aircraft, NASA, Windows, iPhone, Android, Tesla Motors, Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter ...

    the last time China invented anything ( Compass, Gunpowder ) was thousands of years ago.

    wow Cat you're absolutely right ! anybody who prefers American engineering to Chinese ( like me ) is a moron !

    by the way, most of that technology i listed came out of California, because the Bay Area in California is the Silicon Valley while the LA / San Diego is where the Military / Aerospace contractors are. Coincidentally, California is where both Light & Motion and NiteRider are located. L&M is in Silicon Valley and NR is in San Diego. each company Employs about 40 people in their main building alone. no way they could out-engineer a Chinese guy who can't speak Chinese sitting chained to a wall in Prison in China for the crime of trying to watch socially unacceptable cat videos on YouTube.

    but then, neither NiteRider nor Light & Motion ( nor Lupine ) use MagicShine connector, which obviously makes them inferior companies - you're absolutely right Cat ! how could i have doubted your logic !

    Lupine is German of course ... you know Germans, the guys who Educated Einstein, invented the Jet Engine, the Rotary Engine, the first car, the first cruise missile ... Autobahn ... Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, Audi ... yeah German engineers have nothing on Chinese engineers either.

    i guess that's why Chinese have hired Germans to design the WaterCube for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

    you're right Cat ! you're right !

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    I'm not sure why you are going after Cat-man-do like that Androgen. Anyway, at this point with the high price of proprietary batteries, I am not totally against going to one single plug and having batteries that would work with any brand light head. I know it won't happen though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    magicshine connectors aren't proprietary, they're standard off-the-shelf 5.5x2.1mm dc connectors. They're inexpensive and ubiquitous, which makes them a popular choice for 2s2p battery packs and light connectors.
    Does anyone makes adapters than can simply plug I to existing battery packs and convert the connector to the light you are trying to use?? That would be cool if it could work and be waterproof as well. For example switch from a std lupine battery connector to a magicshine to use lupine batteries with the magicshine light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    Cat tell me - if Chinese Engineering is so superior how come half a billion ( that's a Billion with a B, Cat ) Chinese people living in China can't even speak Chinese ?

    Poor little America - first with the Atom Bomb, AC electricity, Transistor, the Microchip, the Internet, GPS navigation, Stealth Aircraft, NASA, Windows, iPhone, Android, Tesla Motors, Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter ...

    the last time China invented anything ( Compass, Gunpowder ) was thousands of years ago.

    wow Cat you're absolutely right ! anybody who prefers American engineering to Chinese ( like me ) is a moron !

    by the way, most of that technology i listed came out of California, because the Bay Area in California is the Silicon Valley while the LA / San Diego is where the Military / Aerospace contractors are. Coincidentally, California is where both Light & Motion and NiteRider are located. L&M is in Silicon Valley and NR is in San Diego. each company Employs about 40 people in their main building alone. no way they could out-engineer a Chinese guy who can't speak Chinese sitting chained to a wall in Prison in China for the crime of trying to watch socially unacceptable cat videos on YouTube.

    but then, neither NiteRider nor Light & Motion ( nor Lupine ) use MagicShine connector, which obviously makes them inferior companies - you're absolutely right Cat ! how could i have doubted your logic !

    Lupine is German of course ... you know Germans, the guys who Educated Einstein, invented the Jet Engine, the Rotary Engine, the first car, the first cruise missile ... Autobahn ... Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, Audi ... yeah German engineers have nothing on Chinese engineers either.

    i guess that's why Chinese have hired Germans to design the WaterCube for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

    you're right Cat ! you're right !
    Is someone off their meds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    Cat tell me - if Chinese Engineering is so superior how come half a billion ( that's a Billion with a B, Cat ) Chinese people living in China can't even speak Chinese ?

    Poor little America - first with the Atom Bomb, AC electricity, Transistor, the Microchip, the Internet, GPS navigation, Stealth Aircraft, NASA, Windows, iPhone, Android, Tesla Motors, Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter ...

    the last time China invented anything ( Compass, Gunpowder ) was thousands of years ago.

    wow Cat you're absolutely right ! anybody who prefers American engineering to Chinese ( like me ) is a moron !

    by the way, most of that technology i listed came out of California, because the Bay Area in California is the Silicon Valley while the LA / San Diego is where the Military / Aerospace contractors are. Coincidentally, California is where both Light & Motion and NiteRider are located. L&M is in Silicon Valley and NR is in San Diego. each company Employs about 40 people in their main building alone. no way they could out-engineer a Chinese guy who can't speak Chinese sitting chained to a wall in Prison in China for the crime of trying to watch socially unacceptable cat videos on YouTube.

    but then, neither NiteRider nor Light & Motion ( nor Lupine ) use MagicShine connector, which obviously makes them inferior companies - you're absolutely right Cat ! how could i have doubted your logic !

    Lupine is German of course ... you know Germans, the guys who Educated Einstein, invented the Jet Engine, the Rotary Engine, the first car, the first cruise missile ... Autobahn ... Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, Audi ... yeah German engineers have nothing on Chinese engineers either.

    i guess that's why Chinese have hired Germans to design the WaterCube for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

    you're right Cat ! you're right !
    ...been one of those days huh?

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    Cat's statement was pure fact. The majority of Li-Ion powered bike lights with external battery packs use "Magic Shine style" connetors. As also noted, it is an extremely common connector for DC powered devices that use wall wort style adapters. Within an arm's reach of me are my router, network switch, and small linux based video player that all use that exact same connector (yes I tested them with a MS style extension cable).

    It probably IS far easier to list brands that use some other connector, than list all the ones that use the MS type connector. I'll start.

    Previous models of Xeccon lights used the MS type connectors. Some of their latest 2013 models use a different, Square connector. Lenorad noted that, going forward all models will move to the square connector. The actual DC connection looks the same, but the plastic barrel surrounding it is square. It is unclear if the standard round connector will fit in that square hole, but if it does, I suspect it will be less secure, and more prone to water infiltration. Xeccon does have old style to new style adaptors.

    The SolarStorms use a slightly different style connector. While it is plug compatable with MS, it is (in my opinion) superior. It includes an O-ring on the male end, and an external screw on cap that joins the male & female parts together. The combination make the connection more weatherproof. I often do not do up that external cap, and it works just fine.

    Lupine is a different connector. It appears to be based a connector fairly commonly used in electronics. The "electronics" versions are not waterproof.

    The Light & Motion packs seem to have a 4 (or is it 5?) pin connector. I suspect the lights are incompatable with MS style batteries. They appear to be based on a 3S1P & 3S2P design (as opposed to the MS type 2S2P).

    The Shadow BL-20 uses a 2 pin screw together connector. I think I have garden lighting with that same very weather resistant connector.

    As you know, many of the self-contained lights are using mini-USB or micro-USB connectors for charging. Personally I don't think those connectors are durable enough to withstand long term usage. The micro is reported to be more resistant to breakdown than the Mini.

    Andro, I didn't see a close up of the Dosun plug in any of your postings or videos. I had to spend a bit of time searching the net for one. Is this a picture of the Dosun connector?

    I think in most cases you may have to cobble together your own adapter to non-standard connections. The problem may be finding a source for that connector. If an extension cable for your "other style" lights is available, it would be fairly simple to cut and splice of an inexpensive MS type extension cable and "other style" extension together.

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    Just another reason Androgen should be banned from MTBR. Off topic as all hell.

    Oh and so you can't say my post is off topic, I'll answer the question. Buy a bunch of Magicshine extension cables, cut the connectors, get out your soldering gun and make all your lights/batteries/chargers compatible. There.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    Does anyone makes adapters than can simply plug I to existing battery packs and convert the connector to the light you are trying to use?? That would be cool if it could work and be waterproof as well. For example switch from a std lupine battery connector to a magicshine to use lupine batteries with the magicshine light.
    that would be nice ! if i could adapt a MS battery for use with L&M that would save tons of $$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    Andro, I didn't see a close up of the Dosun plug in any of your postings or videos. I had to spend a bit of time searching the net for one. Is this a picture of the Dosun connector?
    yes i think so. i remember that picture from when i was in research stage with the Dosun and as far as i remember that is the connector.

    with Dosun however you only plug it in once. you use a separate plug to charge the battery. the connector pictured goes to the light head while a standard DC plug goes to the AC adapter, and is covered by a rubber flap.

    the Dosun doesn't include a "charger" instead the charger electronics are integrated into battery, and the wall wart is just a 9 volt AC adapter.

    i think this is an interesting approach. you could potentially tape the connection permanently with duct tape making it more secure, and use the other port to charge. the other port could be protected electronically and might not even need any waterproofing.

    in practice though it doesn't seem to shut off - just keeps charging even after the battery is full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    I think in most cases you may have to cobble together your own adapter to non-standard connections. The problem may be finding a source for that connector. If an extension cable for your "other style" lights is available, it would be fairly simple to cut and splice of an inexpensive MS type extension cable and "other style" extension together.
    so maybe that's the real reason L&M lights don't include an extension cable ! smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Just another reason Androgen should be banned from MTBR. Off topic as all hell.

    Oh and so you can't say my post is off topic, I'll answer the question. Buy a bunch of Magicshine extension cables, cut the connectors, get out your soldering gun and make all your lights/batteries/chargers compatible. There.
    When you make one of these connectors, how do you make it so it doesn't break when it's bent? Do you put something stiff, like a toothpick, next to solder joint, and then heat shrink the entire joint? Or is there some other method?

    Magishine Compatible Lights:

    Clone of the Magicshine 872: exact fit
    D99: compatible but is not a secure fit (see d99 thread for pictures)

    Batteries:
    Xeccon $50 6-cell MTBR special (bought last spring). This came with the standard magicshine connector. Xeccon has now switched to a square connector, but they may add a free adapter to make it Magicshine compatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    When you make one of these connectors, how do you make it so it doesn't break when it's bent? Do you put something stiff, like a toothpick, next to solder joint, and then heat shrink the entire joint? Or is there some other method?

    Magishine Compatible Lights:

    Clone of the Magicshine 872: exact fit
    D99: compatible but is not a secure fit (see d99 thread for pictures)

    Batteries:
    Xeccon $50 6-cell MTBR special (bought last spring). This came with the standard magicshine connector. Xeccon has now switched to a square connector, but they may add a free adapter to make it Magicshine compatible.
    It's never really easy. I sometimes try to off-set the soldered connections so there is no chance of shorting. Then it might be a good idea to add some liquid insulator ( like plastic dip over the connections and then put heat shrink tubing over the entire area. It may still be a weak spot in the wire though. If so I'll wrap some electrical tape around the area to make it more sturdy. Never had one fail but it's not pretty.

    The Xeccon square connectors are quite flexible and do work with the round plugs although not as tight as a seal against weather as the standard round. I do believe there is an adapter available for the round plugs although I've not seen it myself.

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    Thanks Cat

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    I solder one side, tape it up with electrical, solder the other, tape it up again, and heatshrink it. Been doing this for several years now, works fine. I signed up on mtbr for diy lights and now I wouldn't bother cause buying one is so much cheaper and easier. I still diy for dynamo lights though.

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    Ah OK, that's similar to what I have done in the past for non-bike-light projects. I thought that may not be good enough for bike applications, but it's worked for you. What about automotive crimp-on butt connectors?

    Crimp-On Butt Connectors (10-Pack) : Connectors | RadioShack.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    What about automotive crimp-on butt connectors?
    Those do not offer much, if any, strain relief for the conductor. If you use them, heatshrink with adhesive lined tubing. It creates a strong splice covering which is good as crimped joints should be prevented from bending. I recommend the adhesive lined tubing for soldered splices too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Those do not offer much, if any, strain relief for the conductor. If you use them, heatshrink with adhesive lined tubing. It creates a strong splice covering which is good as crimped joints should be prevented from bending. I recommend the adhesive lined tubing for soldered splices too.
    how about take a piece of flexible clear plastic tubing about 1/4" internal diameter, fill it up with flexible silicone caulk, and pull it over the joint ?

    just brainstorming here. never tried this. may be a really bad idea for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    just brainstorming here. never tried this. may be a really bad idea for some reason.
    most of your ideas are bad, like having 1000 lumens of red led rear light plus two secas on a helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    As you know, many of the self-contained lights are using mini-USB or micro-USB connectors for charging. Personally I don't think those connectors are durable enough to withstand long term usage. The micro is reported to be more resistant to breakdown than the Mini.
    The only advantage of usb connectors are convenient charging without a charger thanks to easily accessible micro and mini usb at offices. Other than that they're full of drawbacks: slow charging, not durable enough for long term use, and internal battery.

    18650/26650 cell flashlights as bike lights are way way better than usb charging bike lights.

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    i don't like proprietary stuff either. i like open standards myself. but many popular standards are c4ap.

    for example i love the XLR audio connector and the BNC RF connector - great connectors ! they were obviously designed by smart people who took performance and reliability seriously.

    on the other hand many common connectors have been clearly designed to be low cost with almost no regard for performance. the connectors i think are cheap garbage include RCA connectors, Molex connectors and SATA connectors - all of them ubiquitous.

    even between a 6 cell L&M battery and 3 cell the connectors which appear identical actually have different quality. i judge the quality of a connector by the snap / pop it makes when connecting and disconnecting. the 3 cell L&M connector pops so loud when you pull it out it makes you want to plug your ears - but the 6 cell makes only a gentle pop, which means the water seal isn't as tight.

    that said both L&M and Dinotte connectors are excellent. NiteRider and Dosun conenctors didn't impress me to say the least. Lupine connector in my opinion is garbage in the same category as Molex.

    if the industry adopted the Dinotte connector as standard that would be awesome. it is the perfect connector IMO. with L&M the problem is you must insert it a certain way which is hard in the dark - this is a consequence of L&M having different voltages on different lights and a multi-pin connector design - this is unfortunate, and the reason i prefer Dinotte connector.

    you can in theory use your thumb to feel the arrow embossed on the connector to know which way it goes in even in absolute darkness, but let's face it - i would rather have a connector that can go in at any angle. if its pitch black darkness and the battery is deep in your hydration pack and you're wearing gloves it's not going to be pretty trying to figure out which way the L&M connector should go in.

    right now L&M have 2sNp and 3sNp batteries on different lights, and in the past they also had Ni-Mh batteries, and you can even still buy a L&M multi-chemistry charger. so i understand how this complicated multi-pin connector arose but i wish they would replace it with a radially symmetrical one.

    unfortunately i have never seen a MagicShine connector. the Dinotte connector however is different from the standard DC connectors used in wall warts.

    Dinotte also includes an extension cable with their lights, so i'm sure you could order some extension cables from them if you wanted to make some DIY lights.

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