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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    ??????
    Alliexpress also has the updated led. XML2 ($62 for light only.)

    I just got notification that mine just shipped, and I will do a comparison side by side with my original duo ( 2013) model.

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    Re: User review: YINDING YD-2XU2 (Gemini Duo clone)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    I mean...where do you see Fasttech having XML2 Yinding?
    Go to the review on the first page.....

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    Can you direct me to that review saying it has XML2 leds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    Can you direct me to that review saying it has XML2 leds?
    Dude...its post #1 of this thread...read it.
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    Dude, Kir bought his custom XML2 Yinding from Aliexpres not from Fasttech.

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    Re: User review: YINDING YD-2XU2 (Gemini Duo clone)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    Dude, Kir bought his custom XML2 Yinding from Aliexpres not from Fasttech.
    My bad..you are correct...aliexpress it is then. I have edited my post to reflect this.

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    TiGeo can you tell me were they sell the XML2 on Ali express?

    YINDING YD 2XU2 Cree XM L U2 1200LM 4 Mode Cool White Bikelight Red-in Bicycle Light from Sports & Entertainment on Aliexpress.com

    From the description it clearly says XML - U2???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    My bad..you are correct...aliexpress it is then. I have edited my post to reflect this.

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    No, you were right the first time. Link from the first post. Not sure if Kir posted the wrong link. Maybe he has the XM-L (U2) version.

    edit...Oh, I see you argue on whither Fasttech or aliexpress...nevermind

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    Ok...Kir specifically mentions in the first post of this thread that he has a "custom" Yinding with the XM-L2 LEDs. The link shows this as being from Aliexpress (per bohcewar). He also linked one from Fasttech first, but this I believe just has the XM-L U2 LEDs (my mistake). Trd620, just click on Cat's link to go the XM-L2 light.
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    Is there a real world difference in XML2 vs XML U2?

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    Has anyone bought the light from wallbuys and if so did you get a battery pack it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkermit View Post
    Is there a real world difference in XML2 vs XML U2?
    XML2 should be a tad brighter and a bit more efficient. I have the original Gemini Duo (XML U2) and it is bright and am currently running it as a bar light. Since I really like the size, quality and design of the Duo, I want to try the upgraded LED for my helmet.

    For my use, this should be a perfect set up. My XML2 just shipped from Aliexpress, so I should have it shortly. Once I get it I will make some side by side comparisons in regards to brightness and run times..

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkermit View Post
    Is there a real world difference in XML2 vs XML U2?
    Yes, but not everyone can tell the difference. If you compare the two in a head to head comparison using the same optics, driver and lamp you should be able to detect the difference in output ( on high ). Will the difference change how you ride?...probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    Has anyone bought the light from wallbuys and if so did you get a battery pack it?
    yes and yes
    14 days delivery from web click to mailbox

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    thanks for that 127.0.0.1 will be placing an order tonight!

    Just out of curiosity would any know if it is possible to install a remote switch from a battery pack to control the light levels or does it have to go to the light head? I went for a night ride on the weekend a remote switch would have been ideal to ensure the light head does not overheat

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkermit View Post
    Is there a real world difference in XML2 vs XML U2?
    You won't notice brightness increase on XM-L2 leds, but you probably will notice neutral-white color of 3B bin which gives much better color rendering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    You won't notice brightness increase on XM-L2 leds, but you probably will notice neutral-white color of 3B bin which gives much better color rendering.
    I probably should have assumed that the poster was asking the question in regard to the available Duo-clone. That being the case yours in the better answer.
    My answer was in regard to just the LED's themselves with all other things ( amps, optics, bin and tint level ) being equal which of course at most times is not the case.

    When I first saw the beam photos of the XM-L2 T6 3B tint D-clone my first thought was that the beam shot of the XM-L ( U2 ) version looked brighter. Hard to compare visual output on warmer binned upgraded emitters to brighter/whiter bins on lower grade emitters. If I had a chance to compare both with my own eyes, only then could I know for sure. With these cheap lamps you never know when they are going to use a different driver or optic that might also change how the output looks. Like I said before, "rarely are all things equal".

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    The aliexpress seller (Simon Mao) can replace the LED in the light with T5 5B1 or T6 4C at no charge - it least he did it for me (bought a total of 7 of these lights from him).

    He is not a man of many words but he ships quick and he keeps his word (ordered several lights from him off Alieypress - just sent him money via PayPal - and got my items safe and sound).

    Yes the soldering is sloppy (as seen in the first post - same was in my lights) but hey for those who don't know how to use a soldering iron it's a chance to get a Neutral White XML2 at no charge.

    I guess you can ask to replace the led with whatever he's got in stock:
    CREE XML2 LED - Shop Cheap CREE XML2 LED from China CREE XML2 LED Suppliers at Shenzhen Great Wall Technology Co., Ltd. on Aliexpress.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    DX also has 5, 20, and 30 degree that might fit as well.
    Could you post a link to the 5 degrees lens?

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    Hi All,

    Just got the XML2 version from aliexpress for $45, let's see how long it will take before it gets here.

    So you guys mentioned the battery case/holder and charger is garbage?

    Where can I get an alternate replacement?

    Can I run this of a 2 cell battery (to save weight)?
    My commute at night is only ~30 mins.

    Do they make a case/holder for 2 cells?

    Can someone school me on battery/packs?

    Somewhere down the road I might get another one of this Yinding Clone for my helmet, can I connect 2 of these lights to a single 4 Cell Battery pack?

    Thanks for all the info guys (just joined mtbr forum) and got into lighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tycoonrider View Post
    Can I run this of a 2 cell battery (to save weight)?
    My commute at night is only ~30 mins.
    The supplied battery should be OK, you'll get a weeks commute easy on medium which is still plenty of light. Remember to waterproof it.
    You'll save only 3oz switching to a 2 cell so don't bother.

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    I run a 2 cell battery with mine. I get over an hour of run time, with at least 80% of that on high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkermit View Post
    Is there a real world difference in XML2 vs XML U2?
    somewhat....your battery will drain faster on high that is for sure. medium l2 might be close to high u2 on some lights. on a 3 stage light like this is really means: ride shorter rides brighter on high, or longer runtimes on 'medium which would almost equal u2 high brightness'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tycoonrider View Post
    ...So you guys mentioned the battery case/holder and charger is garbage?

    Where can I get an alternate replacement?

    Can I run this of a 2 cell battery (to save weight)?
    My commute at night is only ~30 mins.

    Do they make a case/holder for 2 cells?

    Can someone school me on battery/packs?

    ....Thanks for all the info guys (just joined mtbr forum) and got into lighting.
    You need to look over "The Battery Thread" as far as the schooling. That would be the better thread to get the answers you are looking for.

    Quicky answers; yes you can buy two cell ( series ) holders but you will need to supply a suitable connector plug to use with your lamp and find a way to keep the cells in place so they don't come out. All this is readily doable. You will also need a 18650 cell charger if you want to charge loose cells.

    You can of course obtain other suitable batteries at a good price. Right now the major Chinese web sites are having a problem getting the batteries out of the country due to the new shipping guidelines. ( * along with holiday delays ) Don't be surprised if your light set is delayed because of this.

    Once again, look over the last 50 posts on the Battery thread. Read what the others are saying and you should get some more ideas. If you have more questions on "what battery set-up to buy", that is the place to ask the questions.

    Oh...almost forgot...Welcome to the Lighting and bike light sub forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tycoonrider View Post
    Hi All,

    Just got the XML2 version from aliexpress for $45, let's see how long it will take before it gets here.

    So you guys mentioned the battery case/holder and charger is garbage?

    Where can I get an alternate replacement?

    Can I run this of a 2 cell battery (to save weight)?
    My commute at night is only ~30 mins.

    Do they make a case/holder for 2 cells?

    Can someone school me on battery/packs?

    Somewhere down the road I might get another one of this Yinding Clone for my helmet, can I connect 2 of these lights to a single 4 Cell Battery pack?

    Thanks for all the info guys (just joined mtbr forum) and got into lighting.
    Did you read the top of the add where it states that it does not include a battery???

    Because now the post is very strict ,we can not ship battery .

    Notice this bike light is not include the 8.4V battery Pack now

    Only black version in stock now

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    Thanks All

    Quote Originally Posted by robs31 View Post
    Did you read the top of the add where it states that it does not include a battery???

    Because now the post is very strict ,we can not ship battery .

    Notice this bike light is not include the 8.4V battery Pack now

    Only black version in stock now
    Yep, I noticed that, that's why I was asking about my battery option.

    Thanks for all the replies, I did not see the Battery thread Cat-man-do.

    Will commence reading that thread now.

    In Tokyo, Japan at the moment, and I was hoping to score some genuine Panasonic 18650 from the Dept store, so far it's been a bust.
    Languange barrier, gonna try another store later today.

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    I got my XML2 T6 3B version 18 days after ordering from Aliexpress. Paid 45 with the 30% off deal on the 2nd for the head only. It arrived in a plain brown box wrapped in a shipping bag and contained the light head, charger (no battery so not sure why they are sending a charger), head strap and orings with tabs. I was inspecting the light and noticed that the front plate was a little loose so I got my allen wrench to tight up the screws and discovered the threads were stripped as the screws just spun. I can pull the front plate off without touching the screws which is a little concerning. I have inquired with the seller about this. I ran the light and was pleased with the level spacing, the color and beam pattern. It's exactly what I was hoping for based on this review and other beam shots. I put it next to a small fan that would simulate a medium climbing speed with the indoor temp at 68F. Turned it on high and using my Flir thermal camera watched it climb quickly to 125F and then it slowly continued to climb up to 140F when I abandoned the test. It quickly dropped back down, probably 30-40 degrees in about a minute. The temp on the case is fairly evenly distributed with it slightly higher right next to the LED's. The front and back plates are not well connected, as would be expected with the orings, but does warm up. Overall, with the exception of the stripped screws, I am very pleased with the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robs31 View Post
    I got my XML2 T6 3B version 18 days after ordering from Aliexpress. Paid 45 with the 30% off deal on the 2nd for the head only. It arrived in a plain brown box wrapped in a shipping bag and contained the light head, charger (no battery so not sure why they are sending a charger), head strap and orings with tabs. I was inspecting the light and noticed that the front plate was a little loose so I got my allen wrench to tight up the screws and discovered the threads were stripped as the screws just spun. I can pull the front plate off without touching the screws which is a little concerning. I have inquired with the seller about this. I ran the light and was pleased with the level spacing, the color and beam pattern. It's exactly what I was hoping for based on this review and other beam shots. I put it next to a small fan that would simulate a medium climbing speed with the indoor temp at 68F. Turned it on high and using my Flir thermal camera watched it climb quickly to 125F and then it slowly continued to climb up to 140F when I abandoned the test. It quickly dropped back down, probably 30-40 degrees in about a minute. The temp on the case is fairly evenly distributed with it slightly higher right next to the LED's. The front and back plates are not well connected, as would be expected with the orings, but does warm up. Overall, with the exception of the stripped screws, I am very pleased with the light.
    I also got this same one from Aliexpress and my front plate screws are stripped also. I emailed them and they told me to " try and find" some screws that fit.. I also did not have the rubber gasket on the front plate.

    Played Chinese light roulette and lost! Not surprised but this is a poor quality constructed light. Glad I have an original Gemini !

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggdog View Post
    I also got this same one from Aliexpress and my front plate screws are stripped also. I emailed them and they told me to " try and find" some screws that fit..
    Common problem then. The treads are pretty tiny.
    One of my middle screws was just holding on. I ground the LED star down to half height to give it some more thread to grab. Worked OK.
    Also note that the rear and front screws are the same apart from the head size.

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    Sure glad I ordered a second Gemini Duo instead of the clone!

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    I don't know who is putting the t6 leds in, but yinding is specing U2. it is the second party who is shoving in the t6 led who is stripping the screws and leaving fingerprints and whatnot. if you want an unmolested and unstripped yinding, order u2 version

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    localhost you are probably mixing XM-L U2 with XM-L2 T6. XM-L2 T6 could be replaced by hand on request. T6 in 2nd generation produces more lumens than U2 in 1st gen. You can also get some nice 3B,4C, 5B tint of neutral white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    localhost T6 in 2nd generation produces more lumens than U2 in 1st gen. You can also get som nice 3B,4C, 5B tint of neutral white.
    This is exactly why I went with this one. Like with any chinese lamp, you roll the dice and hope you don't get snake eyes. I'm currently in negotiations with the seller to recoup some of my loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    localhost you are probably mixing XM-L U2 with XM-L2 T6. XM-L2 T6 could be replaced by hand on request. T6 in 2nd generation produces more lumens than U2 in 1st gen. You can also get some nice 3B,4C, 5B tint of neutral white.
    what I am saying is, I now have three yindings (2 gifts) and none had any stripped screws or anything else wrong...they are all U2 version (original) so I am thinking if you get an up-modded LED one, that might be how they are arriving with stripped screws. some modder messed up ?

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    I think so. Small screws need minimum tightening torque but maybe someone doesn't know that
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    some modder messed up ?

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    I thought I would post the different Beam patters from various Yinding lights I have bought. The first Picture is the first light I bought from FASTTECH. It has semi water proof connectors and they lock together, the battery dies after 3 uses which was expected. The optics on this light fell like nipples.
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    The second photo is the Yinding I bought from Wallbuys as my mates were impressed by the flood beam from the one I bought from FASTTECH. I thought the lamps would have the same Beam pattern or close to it but as you can see in the photo its more of a spot beam. The connectors are a standard cheap magicshine clone type which was also a let down The optics on this this one is Flat to touch.
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    The last photo is a clone of a clone, The optics on this one are flat but have holes in centre of the lenses. this lamp also fades to the next mode when you press the button. The connectors are also a cheap magicshine clone type. the cord comes underneath the lamp and it does not have front hex screws light the rest on the yinding lamps, it seams all the work is done through the rear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    I thought I would post the different Beam patters from various Yinding lights I have bought. The first Picture is the first light I bought from FASTTECH. It has semi water proof connectors and they lock together, the battery dies after 3 uses which was expected. The optics on this light fell like nipples.
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    The second photo is the Yinding I bought from Wallbuys as my mates were impressed by the flood beam from the one I bought from FASTTECH. I thought the lamps would have the same Beam pattern or close to it but as you can see in the photo its more of a spot beam. The connectors are a standard cheap magicshine clone type which was also a let down The optics on this this one is Flat to touch.
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    The last photo is a clone of a clone, The optics on this one are flat but have holes in centre of the lenses. this lamp also fades to the next mode when you press the button. The connectors are also a cheap magicshine clone type. the cord comes underneath the lamp and it does not have front hex screws light the rest on the yinding lamps, it seams all the work is done through the rear
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    Good photos.

    The one bought from from Fasttech ( first photo ) looks to be the one you want if you want to bar mount the lamp. For helmet mount I'd go with the one from Walbuys ( the second photo ).

    The connectors you call "cheap Magicshine" can you provide a photo of those? thanks.

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    First one is the light from Fasttech, second is from Wallbuys and the third is the Yinding Clone. I thought I would put a few other photos for people to reference the differences, For me the Fasttach light is perfect for the bars and i was testing the Wallbuys light on my helmet and it is a great helmet light for me, I don't know how it will work out for my mates.
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    The first one "Fasttech" seems original "first batch" Yinding - Original MS connector, dimpled optics, nice beam pattern. It is exactly like my DX Yinding.
    I am also waiting for YD from Wallbuys and I hope it wont be like yours. Wallbuys have pictures that show MS connector...scam?
    I am very dissapointed to see they are ruining this great light. The third one YD clone is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    First one is the light from Fasttech, second is from Wallbuys and the third is the Yinding Clone. I thought I would put a few other photos for people to reference the differences, For me the Fasttach light is perfect for the bars and i was testing the Wallbuys light on my helmet and it is a great helmet light for me, I don't know how it will work out for my mates.
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    Well, you didn't show the female battery side of the plug/connector issue. If the female side has a good rubberized or plastic ( threaded ) sleeve it should hold tight.

    There are bad male plugs out there. I have one on my tri-clone. It works with my MS female plug but not with the threaded plastic connector. For some reason the metal shaft is shorter than typical male plugs on that set-up and the plastic after the shaft is not as wide. Sort of a double whammy. I can make it work but it is the worst connector set-up I have.

    The Hunklee batteries really do need to have either the threaded plastic or rubberized shield so the male plugs have something to grab onto.

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    The top connector in the first photo is the Fasttech yinding and the one below it is the wallbuys one. the Fasttech battery plugs into both of the light heads, but the wallbuys battery connector cannot plug into the fasttech light head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    The top connector in the first photo is the Fasttech yinding and the one below it is the wallbuys one. the Fasttech battery plugs into both of the light heads, but the wallbuys battery connector cannot plug into the fasttech light head
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    just the opposite for my wallbuys purchases

    all three yindings had the waterproof 'pop' style connector
    which in yer photo is what fasttech sent

    freaking odd

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    Must be a new batch and they changed the connectors. I'm actually happy about the Beam being different it works out in my favor, see how the mates go tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    just the opposite for my wallbuys purchases

    freaking odd
    Same here. Also, I have a huge "flood" beam pattern, as opposed to your more spotty lamp. I purchased very early on from Wallbuys when the light + battery was $51.00 (mid August)
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    it seems just aliexpress has this L2 version, does anyone contact wallbuys and ask them whether they can provide this one ??

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    Just got the second version from Wallbuys. Compared to my first version this one is not worth the money.

    Connectors are not Magicshine compatible (DC 5,5X2,5 instead of DC 5,5X2,1)
    Poorly waterproof
    bad battery
    some second hand plastic mount (it doesnt even fit the light body)
    bad assembly.

    Acctualy all the things that made first Yinding so great are now bad, very bad.

    The only positive thing: the second version got xml2 leds.

    I think only DX sells original Yindings...will that confirm in a few weeks.

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    What makes you think that the DX ones are the original?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhocewar View Post
    Connectors are not Magicshine compatible (DC 5,5X2,5 instead of DC 5,5X2,1)
    You can make it compatible using this small adapter Black 5.5 x 2.5mm DC Socket to 5.5 x 2.1 DC Plug Adapter for Laptop (2 PCS)

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