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    Those 4500 Betty's look ridiculous! Can't wait to get mine.

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    Think Im going to pick up a piko 7. Whats the best place to order from in the USA? Do you just order off Lupine's site and get it shipped overseas? I cant find any of the newer models from anyone in the USA...

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    Contact Dan or Fred at Gretnabikes. I need to contact Dan soon too.

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    Gretna Bikes has all the new 45 watt Betty-R's, and Betty TL2's listed.

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    ... and the new Pikos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    Gretna Bikes has all the new 45 watt Betty-R's, and Betty TL2's listed.
    Sic!

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    Lol!!

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    I was going to be all over the new TL2S but had a change of heart as my Wilma TL is my favorite and most used flashlight and feel I may not ever use it again with the new beast in my collection.

    JohnJ80/MaximusHQ any of you thinking of taking the plunge??

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    Indebt, I am thinking about getting the new Betty tl but just not sure about being able to keep it cool enough during use so it doesn't step down. Because of this I have been trying to justify the cost.

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    Good point, i'm guessing you would only get maybe three minutes on full power before stepdown. My Nitecore TM-26 is a fair bit more beefy than the Betty TL2 and at 3500 lumens it steps down in the four minute range so three minutes may even be a stretch for the Betty TL2. Very cool though to have such a tiny flashlight in you hand putting out those lumens even if just for a short time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    I was going to be all over the new TL2S but had a change of heart as my Wilma TL is my favorite and most used flashlight and feel I may not ever use it again with the new beast in my collection.

    JohnJ80/MaximusHQ any of you thinking of taking the plunge??
    I would love to even though it is totally unnecessary and i shouldn't spend extra money right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    I was going to be all over the new TL2S but had a change of heart as my Wilma TL is my favorite and most used flashlight and feel I may not ever use it again with the new beast in my collection.

    JohnJ80/MaximusHQ any of you thinking of taking the plunge??
    I keep putting the new Piko in my cart and then can't bring myself to buy it. I'll probably feel differently when we get our first frost and kill the bugs and I can use a helmet light again.

    J.

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    common JohnJ80,,,,,,,,,,,,, just do-it!!! You know you will order in a bit anyway, by then you could have it in your hands if you order now. LOL!!

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    Yeh I know MaximusHQ, tempting though isn't it,,, fall time is the worst for me when Lupine comes out with it's latest and greatest. I know I've said this before but I think i'm good for a couple of years now,or until Cree figures out a led that will stay cool enough at high output that you can run full out with out much step down if at all.

    Ok ok ok, we'll see about next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    I think i'm good for a couple of years now,or until Cree figures out a led that will stay cool enough at high output that you can run full out with out much step down if at all.
    Running an XML at 3A and 85C case temperature you get 6% decrease in lumen maintenance after 6,000 hours. I'm guessing this is a bit warmer than most light heads get and a bit longer than most riders ride (ever).
    www.cree.com/xlamp_app_notes/LM80_results

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    Defiantly more hours than I would ever ride, guess better wording would be cool enough (60c) or less, that where we are now at the ansi outputs with the Xm-L2's that lamp head internals wouldn't be effected thus no stepping down in output. Example,,, Betty-R stays at 4500 lumens with half the airflow needed now based on same ambient temperature. Hope I'm making sense. Cheers!!

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    Debating on a good 2x lupine system. This will be for everything-- all night mountain bike singletrack rides from sunset to sunrise, all night dirt road rides in the middle of nowhere, commuting around town, and everything in between. I am thinking Piko 4 or 7 for the helmet, and maybe a wilma 10 or 14 for the handlebars. A few questions though-- money is always a factor, but is the Betty that much better than the Wilma that it's worth the cost? I feel like it might be diminishing returns at that point over the Wilma.

    Think I could easily get away with a 2x Piko system running one on the handlebars and one on the helmet? Or is it worth the money and weight upgrade to grab a Wilma/Betty to compliment a Piko?

    Does anyone here run a Piko TLmax flashlight on either their helmet or handlebars and like it? I do like fully contained systems when possible, but would be losing out on some battery life by going integrated like that.

    Also, I hate a heavy helmet, so Piko is really as heavy as I'd wanna go for a helmet light. I might even get 2 of the smaller batteries instead of one bigger one just to feel less weight up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couloirman View Post
    Debating on a good 2x lupine system. This will be for everything-- all night mountain bike singletrack rides from sunset to sunrise, all night dirt road rides in the middle of nowhere, commuting around town, and everything in between. I am thinking Piko 4 or 7 for the helmet, and maybe a wilma 10 or 14 for the handlebars. A few questions though-- money is always a factor, but is the Betty that much better than the Wilma that it's worth the cost? I feel like it might be diminishing returns at that point over the Wilma.

    Think I could easily get away with a 2x Piko system running one on the handlebars and one on the helmet? Or is it worth the money and weight upgrade to grab a Wilma/Betty to compliment a Piko?

    Does anyone here run a Piko TLmax flashlight on either their helmet or handlebars and like it? I do like fully contained systems when possible, but would be losing out on some battery life by going integrated like that.

    Also, I hate a heavy helmet, so Piko is really as heavy as I'd wanna go for a helmet light. I might even get 2 of the smaller batteries instead of one bigger one just to feel less weight up there
    Two Piko 7's would be a great set up, super light and four hour run times on the highest settings. Or as you mentioned going with a pair of smaller battery's to keep the helmet self contained.

    If in your budget a Wilma 14 for the bars would be obviously a significant step up. I think this would be the best of both worlds for what I think your looking for. 4000lumen set up with long battery life as you could run all night with more that enough light at half power.

    As for the Betty-R I think it would over power the Piko as the output difference between the two are significant but maybe better be answered by someone who is running that combo. I have a pair of betty-R 12's last years model and I do love the set up especially as I control both lamp heads off of just one remote. But unless a wireless remote as really important to you, there is much better value I think in going with the Wilma as the extra lumens from the betty-R would only be usable on very fast descents, not to mention a lot more coin.

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    I agree with indebt - the Betty would wipe out the Pika on the helmet. I also doubt that you would use the Betty on full much.

    In general, I've found that a ration of 2:1 for bars/helmet seems to work the best. I have an older 1500 lumen wilma and it worked very well with my 750 lumen Pika. But now, with the new Wilma at 2400, it gets lost in the Wilma's beam and would be best paired with the new Pika at 1200 lumens.

    A two Pika system would also be pretty good but I'd like a touch more on the bars and would pair that with a Wilma instead. But if weight, size and runtime are more important than the raw lumens, then the twin Pika system is hard to beat. You can, for instance, run just on the bars with the Wilma - which I do during bug season, but with the twin Pikas I think you'd need to run them together all the time.


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    Thanks guys! Yeah I guess Ill pull the trigger on a piko and a wilma then. I heard from a friend though that he ruined one a few years back because the battery connection on his wasn't fully waterproof and it got wet and shorted. I there anything to worry about on that end? I ride in the pouring rain sometimes and can't be worrying about something like that

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    I've been riding in Squamish/Whistler BC on the (wet) coast with the lupines for approx four years now without any issues other than a bit of condensation on one of my lamp heads. Gretna took care of that issue even after the warranty ended. They are awesome to deal with. It may have been an issue where the plug wasn't pushed in all the way a few times as they are very tight fitting and moisture corroded the connector, or your buddy didn't keep the connections lubed with Lupines Dutch Grease. Defiantly very weather resistant products so wet weather ready.

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    Lupine is sort of the class of the class of bike lights if you take their product line as a whole.

    Although Lupine hasn't said so, the Wilma and Pika combination just really seems like it was designed to be complementary. The Wilma (at least to me) seems smaller in real life than it looks in pictures and the Pika is downright tiny. A Pika on the helmet with the extension cable to a battery in the pocket would be hard to tell you had anything on the helmet at all.

    The Pika has a narrower beam that fits within the Wilma (wider beam's hotspot). When you are riding and looking straight ahead, it's like you have one light.

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    Has anyone been able to enable the center-led on the new 4500 Betty?

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    The Center LED is mentioned first on page 35. The manual refers you to page 40, where in small print is ".3W Center-LED" next to the step which shows 4 red LEDS (in working condition, those red LEDs will not light up). Press and hold the button for 4 seconds until one green LED lights up, then release the button. The cycle of brightness levels begins to automatically cycle. Follow the sequence of brightness levels which progresses automatically. When the sequence gets through the blue leds, watch carefully for the Center LED to go on. Then quickly press the button.

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    What is the center LED for?

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    Center led is for a 0.3watt dim reading light or map light, not a feature I've used or probably ever will use myself. Some may.

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    Ah. That for sure would have application in backcountry uses, SAR, etc....

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    Yes defiantly SAR, or caving etc. I wouldn't want to use it night riding though as I believe that once you have that super low in you settings it could be hazardous as I wouldn't want to come upon a slower technical section decide to cycle down from 7200 lumens and hit that ultra low setting as you would be blinded for a second until you pressed the remote for the next programed output. I think Lupine would have utilized that center led better had they made that singe led programmable up to it's potential ,0.3watts and a few higher outputs up to 750.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgurney View Post
    The Center LED is mentioned first on page 35. The manual refers you to page 40, where in small print is ".3W Center-LED" next to the step which shows 4 red LEDS (in working condition, those red LEDs will not light up). Press and hold the button for 4 seconds until one green LED lights up, then release the button. The cycle of brightness levels begins to automatically cycle. Follow the sequence of brightness levels which progresses automatically. When the sequence gets through the blue leds, watch carefully for the Center LED to go on. Then quickly press the button.
    I have done exactly that, but the center-led doesn't light up. I can select the mode that is indicated by four red leds, but the center led does not light up. When I exit the programming mode, and select the center-led mode, the lamp waits maybe two seconds and reverts back to other mode that I have set up. Maybe my lamphead is faulty, but that's why I was wondering if it works for someone else in here?

    The center led might be useful in city traffic so that other people notice you in dark. The lowest power "normal" mode (1W) that uses six leds is still quite bright when you compare it to normal low power leds lights that e.g. commuters use.

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    According to the Lupine Forum (in English mode), the center LED on full power would overheat as it is too far from the housing to conduct heat well, therefore it is used as indebt says, for dim light reading. Will check with Bill at Gretna for the correct way to turn it on.

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    How heavy does the battery for the Piko 7 feel on your helmeted head? I am debating getting the Piko 7 as a helmet light, or getting the Piko 4 with an extra battery. I'd obviously rather not carry around extra crap if I dont have to, but that Piko 7 battery looks kinda bulky

    Also, most of the lights on Lupine's site just have 3 run times listed. For instance, on the Piko page it just lists runtimes at 0.4, 4, and 13 watts. Is that all you get with these lights or are there settings in between?

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    You wouldn't like the Piko 7 Battery on your helmet, anything more than a two cell battery will feel to heavy in my opinion on the lid. If you are comfortable putting the battery in your jersey pocket or camel pack you wouldn't even know you had a Piko on your helmet.

    Google Gretna bikes click on Lupine lighting Piko class, when that page opens up scroll down you should be able to click on the (manual) icon and it will download the information on run times and all features.

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    Ditto what indebt says. I don't like having any battery on the helmet although the 2 cell version is tolerable. I prefer to use the extension cable that comes with the Piko and put the battery in my jersey pocket. That works great.

    It's an individual thing, though and I'm pretty picky anyhow.

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    Opposed as what I've written previously, there will be an update for the older pre-R-Bettys:
    • Thema anzeigen - Betty Upgrade, nicht R
    Seems they have changed mind against commercial reason. A copper board with 7 XML 2, said to give +600 lumen, announced for "still this year".
    Still not fully clear if available for both variants with inner and outer switch, but I guess there will be an upgrade for both.

    regards

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    Thanx CHnuschti for the update. It's nice Lupine has given the 1st Gen Betty-R owners an upgrade option. Myself I wouldn't be interested for the lumen gains as I believe one would hardly notice the extra 600 lumens. Where the upgrade may be appealing to some and myself, is that the reported cooler running XM-L2 leds may help reduce the lamp head temperature translating into less air flow needed for high output. That would be very beneficial to those in warmer climates.

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    I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a Wilma/bar and Piko/helmet combo and wanted to get some forum input on battery sizes for the two. I will be storing the Piko headlight battery either in a jersey or hydration pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG View Post
    I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a Wilma/bar and Piko/helmet combo and wanted to get some forum input on battery sizes for the two. I will be storing the Piko headlight battery either in a jersey or hydration pack.
    That will be a killer set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG View Post
    I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a Wilma/bar and Piko/helmet combo and wanted to get some forum input on battery sizes for the two. I will be storing the Piko headlight battery either in a jersey or hydration pack.
    Most important question is how long are your rides,,,, and do you live in a cool climate as I do which can affect battery performance?

    Having to do a bit of guessing here and I will assume you rides will be longer than two hours I would go for the Piko 7 as you will be putting the battery in your jersey pocket. This will give you up to four hours of run time on the highest setting or a bit less in cooler climates or an aging battery down the road.

    To stay with the run times I would go with the 13.2 mAh smartcore on the Wilma 14 as that will give you three hours and twenty minutes of run time on the highest setting. I always like to have a bit more battery than I need incase of an unexpected long ride or brake down, or as already mentioned, in cooler temperatures or an aging battery I would still have lots of performance.

    If your rides tend to be shorter than two hours, go with the Piko 4, and one size smaller battery (9.9aMh) smartcore for your Wilma 10. Cheers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG View Post
    I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a Wilma/bar and Piko/helmet combo and wanted to get some forum input on battery sizes for the two. I will be storing the Piko headlight battery either in a jersey or hydration pack.
    I agree that that is a totally awesome set up. It's what I ride with but I have the 2400 lumen Wilma and the 750 lumen Piko. I typically ride with my Wilma on the road and don't run it full out (don't need to). I run it at about 2000 lumens or whatever the default is for the middle brightness. That's fine for most things. When descending at speed, I'll kick it up to full.

    My Piko is not bright enough to run against the Wilma and so I'm thinking of upgrading it. I actually use it as my emergency light or around the house as a headlight. I was using my 1500 lumen Wilma as a helmet light but ran that at the middle setting too (about 1000 lumens) so it should be approximately equal to your newer Piko.

    Using that set up with the (then) 5aH battery, 1 hour to 1.5 hour rides are no problem. I never had a battery go flat on me even though I do carry an extra one. I have the 2.7Ah battery for the Piko and it seems to run on that forever even full out.

    If you are going to use a backpack, and you're not worried about money, I'd go one of two ways - get several of the smaller 3Ah batteries and then plan on switching them. They are so small that I like how they fit under a stem. Very unobtrusive so it would be worth it switch a battery after an hour or so. Otherwise, I'd get two of the 6Ah batteries and go with that.

    If you are mountain biking then you might want to consider two Pikos. That could be a really killer set up if you think you need a helmet light. You wouldn't know either of them are there, they are so small.

    J.

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    Some delay for the upgrade boards/platine for the pre-Betty_R Bettys (older models with 26W or less). Announced now for end of January.
    ? Thema anzeigen - Betty Upgrade, nicht R

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    Upgrade for the old Bettys with 26W or less (pre R Models) are now available (for 95 Euros): Upgrade 2013

    It was measured that the very old 1st-generation Bettys with the red board/platine (P4 leds i think) come from 750 to whooping 2600 lumen with this upgrade. That's quite a jump.
    For the last available pre-R-Betty with 2600 lumen the upgrade delivers 3000 lumen.
    ? Thema anzeigen - Betty Upgrade, nicht R

    regards

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    The TL Minimax has gone up in price a bunch since last yr. Do Lupines ever go on sale, or have discount codes at all? Is gretna the best place to order?

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    No. No. Yes.

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    Ahh, thanks J

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    Diffusor for Wilma and Betty R announced for "next week": ? Thema anzeigen - was so läuft
    Listed as available in the lupine shop: Filter & Diffusor
    Light output said to be just 10% less and some efforts were taken in order not to lose too much throw. Not as clip on, the original frontcap must be removed, the diffusor is to be screwed on the thread.

    regards

    EDIT: will be available also for older versions/models of the Betty and Wilma.
    Last edited by CHnuschti; 05-01-2014 at 01:12 AM.

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    Thanks again for the update!
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