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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Actually, I already have one on the way being supplied by D/X for review. It should be here by next week hopefully. One of the D/X versions has a 6A driver. I thought that worthy to be reviewed.
    It's probably 2A per led, or three separate drivers chained together. Looking forward to the review Cat.

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    I have the light head only version but it has a slightly different driver from the one that Kir has from fasttech. The next thing is the battery capacity as usual ;-)

    Cat looking forward to read the review!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichitisky View Post
    I just saw a crazy price for the Solarstorm x2 at Lightmalls:

    20 bucks for the head only (red)
    30 buck for the black one with battery!

    Buy SolarStorm X2 2000-lumen Dual Head Bicycle light With 2xCree XM-L U2 LED 4 Modes(4*18650 Battery) - lightmalls led bike online Worldwide Free Shipping!!!
    It looks like head only version has XML2 emitters.

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    No it has XML U2, what you see is white plastic shim covering the green substrate.

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    It says XM-L2 LED and on the picture is XM-L2 emitter:
    SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2000-Lumen Led Bike Light head - RED(Head Lamp Only) - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    In description is written XML-U2 but it is copy/pastet. Who knows what you would get...

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    Well I got from them an XML U2 :-) They might have bought a different version from different factory, but the description is rather chaotic :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes View Post
    In description is written XML-U2 but it is copy/pastet. Who knows what you would get...
    Easy to tell if you get XML or XML2 by the substrate color. What you can't tell is the bin. Highly doubt that the cheapo Chinese lights are going to use the premium bins. A Chinese U2 is probably more like a T4. Exaggerated Lumen values, exaggerated bin spec, what's the difference?

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    Yes who knows, at least someone who has a lux meter can measure the values. I think there is not a big difference in price T4, T6, U2 - they all are made in China. Perhaps they use bins that did not pass usual quality control and were thrown away, but are true T6, U2, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Yes who knows, at least someone who has a lux meter can measure the values. I think there is not a big difference in price T4, T6, U2 - they all are made in China. Perhaps they use bins that did not pass usual quality control and were thrown away, but are true T6, U2, ...
    No, it doesn't work like that. The emitters are manufactured by Cree and according to Cree standards. To date I've not heard of anyone ordering a specific lamp with listed specific emitters and then not getting the listed emitter. ...Not that it can't happen. It just hasn't happened yet to my knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes View Post
    It says XM-L2 LED and on the picture is XM-L2 emitter:
    SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2000-Lumen Led Bike Light head - RED(Head Lamp Only) - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    In description is written XML-U2 but it is copy/pastet. Who knows what you would get...
    Um....can't beat that price AND with XM-L2. Check the ad, nothing but XM-L2 that I see. Anyone who is still riding with a single emitter bar lamp and has a MS compatible battery; this is your wake up call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes View Post
    It says XM-L2 LED and on the picture is XM-L2 emitter:
    SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2000-Lumen Led Bike Light head - RED(Head Lamp Only) - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    In description is written XML-U2 but it is copy/pastet. Who knows what you would get...
    I just ordered that light. Picture shows an XM-L2 and the description says XM-L2. Hopefully I get the same UI that MK96 has with an upgraded emitter. With shipping it was $28 and change. They are selling the older XM-L models for around $20. I figured getting the new emitter was worth a few extra dollars. There's some sort of Chinese holiday coming up (according to fasttech), so it might take forever to get the shipment.

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    I wrote at the beginning I would like to change the emitters when I got the light for XM-L2 and tune the current to some 2.5A. I haven't done that yet due to my free time. And now they are selling XM-L2 :-) But the driver might be the same - around 1.8-1.9A.

    @Cat: That is a good knowledge. But the only way to figure that out is to measure it ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I wrote at the beginning I would like to change the emitters when I got the light for XM-L2 and tune the current to some 2.5A. I haven't done that yet due to my free time. And now they are selling XM-L2 :-) But the driver might be the same - around 1.8-1.9A.
    I'm not sure what the cheapest retail cost of two xm-l2 emitters, but ledsupply is selling them for $9.17 each. So the cost of two of them is nearly the cost of the x2 lighthead!

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    perhaps fasttech sells them cheaper ... we'll see, $9 is too much :-(

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    Fasttech is definitely the place to get XM-L2 cheap. I put two of these $4.49 Cree XM-L2 T6-4C 10W 1100LM 4200-4500K Neutral White LED Emitter on 16mm Base Plate at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping in my X2 and I'm really pleased with the results. Hard to say if the light is significantly brighter, but the warmer tint was primarily why I changed the emitters.

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    I got used to cooler white color (about 6000K) since I have it also on a car headlight, one bike 3 XML clone and a pair of XML torches - all of them are this cooler white white white :-) I just want to drive the light slightly harder so I thought changing them for XM-L2 would be more temperature tolerant :-)

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    I know a lot of us are reading both threads, but I posted a mini review of both the 880 clone and the SSX2 in the 880 clone thread. Thought I might as well post it here, since it's pertinent:

    I've had a couple of night rides on my SSX2 and this 880 clone, now, and I have to say that I'm pretty happy with the combination.

    The 880 clone has a smooth beam patten with a gradual transition from spot to flood. Perfect for running on the bars. Low mode was great for climbing, and high was super bright, giving me no pause for speed on a couple of descents I'm fairly familiar with, though have only ridden a few times at night. The UI is great - one button for on/off, and another for low/mid/high (hold for strobe). Really, really like it, except for it being delivered with a severed cord. On my latest (longer) ride, I went for a two hour ride at dusk, ran it on low for an hour, and high for a half hour and never had it change from green.

    The SSX2 was good, but not great. Their low and high intensities were pretty similar, but the mid on the 880 clone was much, much brighter than the SSX2. Often, I ran the X2 on mid while I had the 880 clone on low. Side by side, the X2 beam was brighter, but since the X2 was on my helmet, I had to have it brighter for it to not be overpowered by my bar light. On full bright, the X2 was great in the short to mid range, but diffused too much beyond 20 feet or so.

    The other issue I had with the SSX2 is the beam pattern. My smooth reflector has a little lip in the middle (a defect), which causes a slightly darker spot in the middle of the hot spot. I'll bet it'd be just fine if it didn't have that problem.

    In short, this is a pretty good setup for the kind of riding I'll be doing. I might be on the lookout for a helmet mount with better throw, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    ...The SSX2 was good, but not great. Their low and high intensities were pretty similar, but the mid on the 880 clone was much, much brighter than the SSX2. Often, I ran the X2 on mid while I had the 880 clone on low. Side by side, the X2 beam was brighter, but since the X2 was on my helmet, I had to have it brighter for it to not be overpowered by my bar light. On full bright, the X2 was great in the short to mid range, but diffused too much beyond 20 feet or so.

    The other issue I had with the SSX2 is the beam pattern. My smooth reflector has a little lip in the middle (a defect), which causes a slightly darker spot in the middle of the hot spot. I'll bet it'd be just fine if it didn't have that problem.

    In short, this is a pretty good setup for the kind of riding I'll be doing. I might be on the lookout for a helmet mount with better throw, though.
    When I use the X2 on the helmet I've noticed some of the same issues as you have. While it works well as a helmet light I miss the intensity/throw of the lamps that have bigger reflectors with single LED. All of the Duel set-ups just seem to work better on the bars.

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    Ouch, how much cheaper can they go...
    Probably it is still worth to add a few $ more for XML2 version.

    I've done my first ride with aliexpress SSX2 version for $32. After 2:15h of riding, (most of the time - on uphills on min brightness) indicator still showed 2 out of 3 lights, so the battery is not total crap.

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    When I use the X2 on the helmet I've noticed some of the same issues as you have. While it works well as a helmet light I miss the intensity/throw of the lamps that have bigger reflectors with single LED. All of the Duel set-ups just seem to work better on the bars.
    Any specific recommendations along these lines? Just need a light head...

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    just recieved my FandyFire X3 from dx, just turned it on for a sec before charging battery pack. 4 mode, low, med, high, hold for flash. All three emiters on for different levels.

    Shipped with cheapo battery pack. Any suggestions on a replacement waterpoof pack that will stap to the frame?

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    Solastorm X2 ( U2 ) vs. Gloworm X2 ( U2 ): Comparison

    Took another ride tonight to try out the SSX2, this time on the bars and on my usual single track. Fall is never a good time for night riding. Leaves cover almost everything and adding to the dangers of hidden trail features/obstacles is the fact that the dark color of the leaves does much to lessen the throw of the lamps. This time of year the more light you have the better.

    First thing I noticed was that the SSX2 was not so impressive in these conditions. I'm not saying it can't make a good bar light but compared to the Gloworm X2 the GW has it beat hands down. Plenty of throw from the SStorm but not near the peripheral coverage of the Gloworm. Not to mention the GW had a more pleasant/smoother beam pattern. The juxtaposition of the lamps beam patterns became more apparent when on twisty trails. The only way to make the Solarstorm more usable was to point the lamp a little more downward. This helps some. The GW really doesn't need adjustment once you get it dialed in. Undoubtedly the SSX2 will do much better when trails are free of leaf clutter so I'm not totally dissing how well it might work as a bar lamp. On the helmet, the tighter beam pattern of the SSX2 is still better than the standard Gloworm X2. Looks like optics are the way to go if you want to bar mount a lamp. That said, people wanting a bar lamp might look to the new Duo Clones.

    Just don't throw the SSX2 out yet though. When I exited the trail and started my 3 mile road ride back to the car I found the Solarstorm X2 does very well on the road. I would say it was "Awesome" for road use but that might be a little too exuberant. Very good light for the road and bright enough to use on low alone. I also tried the flash on the way to the trail and was very pleased with how easy it is to access and to turn off. This feature adds to it's "Road use" profile.

    I probably shouldn't say this but if the Chinese get the idea to include a wired remote I wouldn't be surprised if they sold even more of these. Yes, indeed SSX2 with XM-L2's and choice of standard switch or remote, that could be a killer combo. Add some option for optics and these could give the big boys a real run for the money.

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    Cat,

    Thanks for the update. I agree that this is a bad time to test lights with all the leaves. That withstanding, from the reviews I have read, I still consider this helmet-light-only for trail use. Having the light beam be that unevenly distributed would create so much confusion for near-field visibility. Also, the throw itself screams of being a helmet light.

    I'm glad you brought up the road use. I still will likely buy one of these units at some point for exclusive road use, as I would like a permanent setup for my road bike instead of switching lights back and forth (I use blinking lights day or night). I forget, could you describe the flash again for the SSX2?

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    So after I order it, you guys tell me it's no good. Haha.

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    Ordered on of these yesterday. It will be used on my helmet. My previously helmet mounted Magicshine 808 with move to the bars. I'll update when I get a ride in with it.

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    After reading this thread I decided to order a Solar Storm. I got it a few days ago and I do like it. But, one problem is that it gets very hot, to the point you wouldn't want to hold on to it for more that a few seconds.
    Is this normal or did I just get a bad one?

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    The idea is that the only reason you'd need to run it on high is at high speed. Without any air circulation, it's gonna get hot. It should be fine on the trail.

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    Its normal for SSX2, it has a very lightweight case and is not meant to be used as a flashlight or while standing still - it will overheat very fast.
    Use high/medium modes only while riding, it will be cooled by air.

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    I too jumped on the SS x2 wagon. Just received them from lightmalls, $70ish shipped for two.

    Discharged both batteries with the lights, the first one caused a "connection break" error on my hobby charger, the other battery took about 2000 mah. So, my batteries suck. I'll be using the packs that I got last year with the mini Cree I ordered (tested around 3700 mah at that time, though I should test them again).

    Only other thing I tested was amp draw which I don't think has been reported.

    Battery no load voltage = 8.35v (year old mini Cree battery)
    Low = 0.37 amps @ 8.06v
    Med = 1.01 amps @ 7.54v
    High = 1.73 amps @ 6.94v

    Stock battery no load voltage = 8.09v
    Low = 0.34 amps @ 7.78v
    Med = 0.93 amps @ 7.35v
    High = 1.60 amps @ 6.86v

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    can you buy the SSX2 on amazon from a US seller? saw a link a couple pages ago but they are gone. not sure if it was a us seller.

    this seems to be the cheapest:

    Buy SolarStorm X2 2000-lumen Dual Head Bicycle light With 2xCree XM-L U2 LED 4 Modes(4*18650 Battery) - lightmalls led bike online Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    how long does the stock battery last on high and medium? I'm reading the SSX2 is good for the helmet. I guess you gotta use a camelbak for the battery? what are you using to mount the SSX2 to the helmet?

    as far as handlebar goes, I'm thinking one or two of these:

    Amazon.com: 4 Mode 1200 Lumen CREE XML T6 Bulb LED Bicycle bike HeadLight Lamp Flashlight Light Headlamp: Sports & Outdoors

    would 3 lights be too much? I don't want weird effects to happen with so many shadows.

    thanks.

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    Thanks to scvkurt0 and Kir for the info and the quick reply.

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    When riding it is not overheating, even on slower technical sections it was fine on high.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    how long does the stock battery last on high and medium? I'm reading the SSX2 is good for the helmet. I guess you gotta use a camelbak for the battery? what are you using to mount the SSX2 to the helmet?
    It depends what battery you get, they are not all the same, depends on luck.

    I was ridding a few days ago. My light was somewhere between 40-60 minutes on low and 1 hour on high. When I got to the car indicator showed 1 out of 3 leds, so it still had some power.

    For mounting on helmet I am using this mount:
    Cheap Velcro Binding Band for SKU 29489/30864 (35CM)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Grumpy View Post
    Only other thing I tested was amp draw which I don't think has been reported.
    Yes it has been reported by Kir and me (but I have slightly different driver)

    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes View Post
    When riding it is not overheating, even on slower technical sections it was fine on high.

    It depends what battery you get, they are not all the same, depends on luck.
    It also depends on the environment temp, I ride in about 12 deg. C env. so it is not overheating. The battery is hit or miss with chinese lights. It has been written a lot, so I am runnig lipo and backup 4 x 26650 4500 mAh cells with my own indication. And I buy the head only - for the saved money I can buy spare cells

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    Yeah of course, also environment temp is important. I usually ride with lights from autumn until spring when days are shorter and temperature is low.
    This summer I had an overheating problem with MJ808 which has only one led...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Grumpy View Post
    Discharged both batteries with the lights, the first one caused a "connection break" error on my hobby charger, the other battery took about 2000 mah.
    Battery no load voltage = 8.35v (year old mini Cree battery)
    Low = 0.37 amps @ 8.06v
    Med = 1.01 amps @ 7.54v
    High = 1.73 amps @ 6.94v
    "connection break" error on my hobby charger usually means that protection pcb activated and cut off the cells from connector. And that means that cells are _very_ unbalanced and one pair has much lower capacity. Pretty common thing for chinese batteries, most of them are horrible.
    Current draw depends on your SSX2 version, there are loads of them. I'm preparing my own review of SSX2 where I will compare different versions and different drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Yes it has been reported by Kir and me (but I have slightly different driver)
    Oops, didn't see them. Ahh well, the more info the better?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    "connection break" error on my hobby charger usually means that protection pcb activated and cut off the cells from connector. And that means that cells are _very_ unbalanced and one pair has much lower capacity. Pretty common thing for chinese batteries, most of them are horrible.
    Current draw depends on your SSX2 version, there are loads of them. I'm preparing my own review of SSX2 where I will compare different versions and different drivers.
    Ya, I saw that in one of your previous posts (connection break). Look forward to your detailed review! Hurry up with those SS battery boxes as well.

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    Anyone else notice the new SS 3x and 4x ST40 and ST30 models:

    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022584
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022583

    Completely different design than the other 2x and 3x models. Still not XML-2 though..

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    Re: SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Anyone else notice the new SS 3x and 4x ST40 and ST30 models:

    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022584
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022583

    Completely different design than the other 2x and 3x models. Still not XML-2 though..
    I also don't get why they haven't moved to XM-L2 given they seem to cost less than XM-L. I'm wondering which battery pack the XT30 and 40 come with? I'd definitely want the new BC-1 that some sellers show as an option for the X3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    Current draw depends on your SSX2 version, there are loads of them. I'm preparing my own review of SSX2 where I will compare different versions and different drivers.
    Looking forward Kir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    I also don't get why they haven't moved to XM-L2 given they seem to cost less than XM-L.
    Using up old inventory?

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    The cree led - xm-l vs xm-l2 :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    The cree led - xm-l vs xm-l2 :-)
    Yeah, there's no point in buying the old stuff now just to save a few bucks.

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    where would I get a high quality battery pack for the SSX2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    where would I get a high quality battery pack for the SSX2?
    Gabe, find "The Battery Thread" in the forum thread listing. Although outdated a bit read over the first page listings and then jump to the last couple pages of the thread to find the more recent offerings.

    I will point out that both Action LED and Xeccon ( MTB Revolution Australia ) have some great deals on quality batteries. Both vendors advertise on MTBR and will support what they sell.The later has their price listings in AUD so when converted to USD the price is generally a bit less.

    Sooner or later I'll get around to updating The Battery Thread.

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    I'm no expert on these lights, but this definitely NOT the same as the FastTech SolarStorm. The SS is way brighter than the SecurityIng, much to my friend's dismay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    I'm no expert on these lights, but this definitely NOT the same as the FastTech SolarStorm. The SS is way brighter than the SecurityIng, much to my friend's dismay.
    thats a bummer. I noticed the securitying doesn't have a solarstorm logo on it in the pictures on amazon. are the SSX2 at lightmalls.com FastTech? I don't see it say fasttech on the light in the pictures or description.

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    thats a bummer. I noticed the securitying doesn't have a solarstorm logo on it in the pictures on amazon. are the SSX2 at lightmalls.com FastTech? I don't see it say fasttech on the light in the pictures or description.
    FastTech is just an online retailer. I would assume that if it's branded as SolarStorm and if the specs are the same, it's the same light wherever you buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    I would assume that if it's branded as SolarStorm and if the specs are the same, it's the same light wherever you buy it.
    FWIW the 2 MS P7 lights I have repaired while identical externally had different driver boards. Very similar but different enough to make me believe they came from different suppliers.

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