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    Good job!

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    So the kit comes with the lighthead, battery w/ case and charger... Does the upgraded battery with the kit still come with the neoprene case?

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    Yes, neoprene case included.
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    It should have come with 8.4V 2A with green/red light indication. Well before I buy from someone I try to read some references (e.g. on ebay aboiut the item I am going to buy) and I prefer "top seller" with good references when buying cheap stuff. But your seller is already top seller - maybe you should contact him to get replacement for the mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    That will need some instrumentation since the adapter has no charging indicator. I can see where they cut corners in this set. Yes, I have a pair of these, no other lights, both came with the same AC adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    It should have come with 8.4V 2A with green/red light indication. Well before I buy from someone I try to read some references (e.g. on ebay aboiut the item I am going to buy) and I prefer "top seller" with good references when buying cheap stuff. But your seller is already top seller - maybe you should contact him to get replacement for the mistake
    That is what I did, I got it from a US top seller with a zillion of positive references. I am on the fence about what to do next - I am going to contact him about the chargers and I am considering sending the lights back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    That is what I did, I got it from a US top seller with a zillion of positive references. I am on the fence about what to do next - I am going to contact him about the chargers and I am considering sending the lights back.

    Have you contacted the seller yet to see what they want to do??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbrewer View Post
    Have you contacted the seller yet to see what they want to do??
    Not yet but that is step one. Returning goods == the last resort. I am hoping they will be cooperative.

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    Well at least you can expect it. Question is if he is a true US seller or chinese US seller. However I have got positive experience with chinese sellers refunding/returnig the item. Good luck!

    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Not yet but that is step one. Returning goods == the last resort. I am hoping they will be cooperative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Not yet but that is step one. Returning goods == the last resort. I am hoping they will be cooperative.
    Just got the same lights from the same seller. Please report back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Is it normal to sell 8V DC adapters as battery chargers?
    That's not what is shown in the photos in their auction. Was this the only thing incorrect? In other words, was everything else you received the same as what's in their photos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    That's not what is shown in the photos in their auction. Was this the only thing incorrect? In other words, was everything else you received the same as what's in their photos?
    Yes, everything else matched the description except for the chargers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Yes, everything else matched the description except for the chargers.
    Be sure to let us know how this ends.

    I'd like to hear from anyone else that has bought this light, did you get a proper charger? Was this a fluke, or is this what is being sent out with all of these lights from this seller?

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    Amazon.com: 4 Mode 1200 Lumen CREE XML T6 Bulb LED Bicycle bike HeadLight Lamp Flashlight Light Headlamp: Sports & Outdoors

    i think this is the same light right?

    i'm pretty much sold on it, but just a couple questions.

    does it come with a helmet mount?

    and how is the mounting on the bars? that little rubber band thing doesn't look super secure if you are going through rocks. does it bounce around making it so you have to readjust the angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Be sure to let us know how this ends.

    I'd like to hear from anyone else that has bought this light, did you get a proper charger? Was this a fluke, or is this what is being sent out with all of these lights from this seller?
    I received the same charger. I am a lights noob. Should I not use this charger at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by comphynum View Post
    I received the same charger. I am a lights noob. Should I not use this charger at all?
    Could I use a 9v, 1A charger instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by comphynum View Post
    Could I use a 9v, 1A charger instead?
    AC adapters are not meant for charging batteries. They have no logic that starts/stops the charging based i.e. on the voltage. It might significantly degrade the capacity and life span of batteries. It may overheat them and become a fire hazard etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    AC adapters are not meant for charging batteries. They have no logic that starts/stops the charging based i.e. on the voltage. It might significantly degrade the capacity and life span of batteries. It may overheat them and become a fire hazard etc.
    So DC instead of AC? And what about a 9v, 1A DC?
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    Got an asnwer from the seller @ 1:30AM EST (he is in IL for sure, yeah....) and I am not happy with his answer:

    Thanks for your message, it's right charger as the picture shown.

    It's ok to charge the light, if you're not satisfied with it, kindly suggest you to buy another charger at other store, because we don't have other charger.

    Need any further help, pls contact us.


    So he is asking me to buy a real charger elsewhere and denying that the item is not as described (the charger in his pictures is different). The lights are otherwise quite nice, any suggestions where I could get a competent charger as an alternative to returning the item?

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    No you cant, 9V is too much for 7.4V pack, the max. is 8.4V

    Quote Originally Posted by comphynum View Post
    So DC instead of AC? And what about a 9v, 1A DC?

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    In the interest of you not burning your house down, you need a 8.4vDC constant voltage charger. Your normal 9v power adapter would produce 9v at the rated current of 1A and high voltage at lower amperage. You MUST have a constant voltage charger. There only $7.95 at our site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    In the interest of you not burning your house down, you need a 8.4vDC constant voltage charger. Your normal 9v power adapter would produce 9v at the rated current of 1A and high voltage at lower amperage. You MUST have a constant voltage charger. There only $7.95 at our site.
    I am about to order one together with the wide angle lens. Thank you!

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    I just got my light in the mail today. The cable coming from the headlight has a bad connection near the plug. When I wiggle the cable the light turns off. Anyone have a similar problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    In the interest of you not burning your house down, you need a 8.4vDC constant voltage charger. Your normal 9v power adapter would produce 9v at the rated current of 1A and high voltage at lower amperage. You MUST have a constant voltage charger. There only $7.95 at our site.
    done! My helmet and wide angle lens should be here today.
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    Guys, my MS clone lamp arrived, and all is well except low battery warning (red led). It turns out voltage sensing resistor R10 has bin ripped out in assembly process, and I can't read what value should I put there. Can any kind soul here disassemble their light and read R10 value?

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    This is my driver in picture, and as you can see R10 is ripped, and only first number is visible. As an experiment I've put 10K resistor there, and red LED lit up, so low battery warning is functional, only voltage sensing resistor is missing.

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    Can anyone provide any feedback on this ?
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    Can anyone provide any feedback on this ?
    Thank you.
    That looks exactly like the battery pack shipped with my lights.

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    Great.
    So how is the battery? Is it reliable? Protected cells and whatnot?

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    I got mine a only few days ago and I have not really had a chance to use them yet, sorry. Mine should be only 4400mAh though but the casing and the battery bag look exactly the same.

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    Hm, ok, thanks!
    Just wondering about the quality as i will also have to seal my battery case to waterproof it and i would probably benefit from the extra pack to give me longer runtime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Is it normal to sell 8V DC adapters as battery chargers?
    According to my Klein MM200 multimeter, the adapters produce 8.27V and 8.31V DC. One more interesting thing, the heads have five modes - high, med, low, rapid flashes, Morse S.O.S. flashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    Can anyone provide any feedback on this
    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    That looks exactly like the battery pack shipped with my lights.
    I'm sure the rubberized water resistant case is a fairly generic item, and not made by the company assembling the battery packs.

    With that in mind, I'm sure many rubberized 4 cell packs look the same. It's what's inside that counts. It could be anything from recycled laptop batteries, to bottom end cells of unknown lineage, to the good stuff. Given the price of $19 "the good stuff" seems unlikely.

    The advertised 5200 mah implies 4 x 2600 mah batteries (2S2P). We see most 4400 packs (4 x 2200) retailing for $35.

    At the $19 price I'm tempted, but I think the specs are the battery equivalent of Chinese Lumens.

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    That was exactly why i asked for feedback for that particular item.
    It may be worth 19$ to work as a backup battery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    The advertised 5200 mah implies 4 x 2600 mah batteries (2S2P). We see most 4400 packs (4 x 2200) retailing for $35.

    At the $19 price I'm tempted, but I think the specs are the battery equivalent of Chinese Lumens.
    I bought one of the cheap battery packs on Ebay. It turns out it only has half the battery capacity of my old Magicshine P7 battery. Its also fully charged in half the time (3.5 hours versus 7 hours for the MS battery).
    Cheep/low price = cheep/low quality...well, who would have guessed that?.

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    I think it is better to DIY a battery pack from 3.4Ah 18650 Panasonics to get an acceptable adjustable runtime (2S1P, 2P, .... 8P) I am going to do this with my light and I am going to add a led indication also, since my light does not have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity123 View Post
    I bought one of the cheap battery packs on Ebay. It turns out it only has half the battery capacity of my old Magicshine P7 battery. Its also fully charged in half the time (3.5 hours versus 7 hours for the MS battery).
    Cheep/low price = cheep/low quality...well, who would have guessed that?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I think it is better to DIY a battery pack from 3.4Ah 18650 Panasonics to get an acceptable adjustable runtime (2S1P, 2P, .... 8P)
    I wonder if the Panasonic 18650 cells sold from China/hongkong are copies..?
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    Who knows, but there are some tests published, so you can compare them. But probably I would not trust ebay sellers selling 18650 panasonic

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinity123 View Post
    I wonder if the Panasonic 18650 cells sold from China/hongkong are copies..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    According to my Klein MM200 multimeter, the adapters produce 8.27V and 8.31V DC. One more interesting thing, the heads have five modes - high, med, low, rapid flashes, Morse S.O.S. flashes.
    Have you tried charging with the included 8V AC adapters? Did the batteries get warm?
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    I picked up one of these from the tomtop EBay seller and so far it's great. I stuck a piece of Glad Press 'n' Seal on the lens to diffuse the beam and it's just about perfect. I'll probably pick up the real wide angle lens at some point just so I don't have to worry about it falling off, but now I'm planning to get a nicer light to pair with it so I don't have to carry a little AA flashlight as my backup light any more, so I'll probably wait until I do that.

    On my first night ride with the light I passed a couple of guys stopped on the trail and overheard one of them saying "That's a really good light" as I went past.
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    Glad to know it works ok as i've bought one from the same seller eheh
    Does the led lights up when charging? Is there a led in the light's on/off button indicating the status of the battery?
    I already have my wide angle lens, so i will take some shots with and without it.

    I hope it arrives soon! May i know when was yours shipped?
    Also, i'm looking for another light for the helmet. If you see something interesting, please let me know. Right now, I'm thinking of something like the 501b, but i think that that torch is pretty old and i think there might be better ones around. For example, the strobe mode should be like the one you have: pressing 3 seconds to turn on, so we can avoid it when swtiching from high to low setting. None of the 501b i saw had that, except the one-mode only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    Glad to know it works ok as i've bought one from the same seller eheh
    Does the led lights up when charging? Is there a led in the light's on/off button indicating the status of the battery?
    I already have my wide angle lens, so i will take some shots with and without it.

    I hope it arrives soon! May i know when was yours shipped?
    Also, i'm looking for another light for the helmet. If you see something interesting, please let me know. Right now, I'm thinking of something like the 501b, but i think that that torch is pretty old and i think there might be better ones around. For example, the strobe mode should be like the one you have: pressing 3 seconds to turn on, so we can avoid it when swtiching from high to low setting. None of the 501b i saw had that, except the one-mode only.
    Assuming this is directed at me - there's a light on the charger that changes color when it's charging. The light does have an LED under the button to display battery status, but from what I've heard it isn't terribly useful because it goes red minutes before it goes out. I haven't run it down that far yet so I can't say. Looking through my e-mail history it appears mine was shipped Oct. 18 and I believe it got here about Oct. 30.

    Can't comment on helmet lights - this is currently mounted on my bars and I don't have a helmet light yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemebean View Post
    Assuming this is directed at me - there's a light on the charger that changes color when it's charging. The light does have an LED under the button to display battery status, but from what I've heard it isn't terribly useful because it goes red minutes before it goes out. I haven't run it down that far yet so I can't say. Looking through my e-mail history it appears mine was shipped Oct. 18 and I believe it got here about Oct. 30.

    Can't comment on helmet lights - this is currently mounted on my bars and I don't have a helmet light yet.
    Yeah it was for me, i don't usually quote if i want to reply to the latest post.
    It is a good thing the charger has a led, but that led on the light...that is a shame. Anyway, it is a 28$ light (shipping included), so...
    12 days, hm, that is good news. I hope mine doesn't take +30 days like last DX's items... I'm from Portugal.

    Thank you.

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    good to know...

    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Just to keep the facts straight, the driver circuit reduces the voltage by switching the power on and off about 10,000 times a second. The power is feed into a capacitor to smooth it out. The amount of time on vs off is adjusted as the input voltage changes or to change the brightness.
    Efficiency varies from about 85% to 98% depending on the quality of the driver.
    This rapid on/off creates a weak radio (RF) signal that can interfere with some wireless bike computers.
    That is good to know - I was wondering why my wireless comp wasn't working...
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    Update on my charger case - the seller cooperates, he apologized and offered me a full refund if I send the lights back or $5 refund as a compensation for the inconvenience of getting a proper charger elsewhere. I accepted the latter and took the lights our for the first ride tonight. I am very happy with their performance so far, the beam is quite diffused and a wide angle lens is more a luxury than a necessity IMHO.

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    That is great. Can you please confirm yours came with the OP reflector?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    That is great. Can you please confirm yours came with the OP reflector?
    Yes they did. I will take and post a few pictures here in the evening.

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    Bought one of these off ebay a few months ago. I used it on a handful of late road rides and for $30 it worked great. Very happy with the amount of light it produced. Took it off-road yesterday and it turned off midway through the ride. Good thing I knew the trail well. Riding it in the dark was a whole new experience!

    I thought maybe the battery was dead but after a full charge - no love. The power button glows green but the light will not turn on. At $30 I guess they are pretty much disposable. Anyone have any tips on how to get it working again? I'll probably just buy another one and hope for the best.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playa View Post
    Bought one of these off ebay a few months ago. I used it on a handful of late road rides and for $30 it worked great. Very happy with the amount of light it produced. Took it off-road yesterday and it turned off midway through the ride. Good thing I knew the trail well. Riding it in the dark was a whole new experience!

    I thought maybe the battery was dead but after a full charge - no love. The power button glows green but the light will not turn on. At $30 I guess they are pretty much disposable. Anyone have any tips on how to get it working again? I'll probably just buy another one and hope for the best.
    Thee's been a couple different lights discussed in this thread, can you link to the specific one you bought?

    Next, incase you're not already beating yourself up about it, NEVER night ride with one light. Not even a $500 light. Always have a second light. Ideally, you would ride with two ights on, but at the very least, have a small flashlight or something in your backpack or pocket.

    As far as your light goes, you need to determine if it's the light/led or the battery that's causing the problem.

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    here is the one I purchased:
    New CREE XML XM L T6 1800Lm LED Bicycle Bike Head Light Lamp | eBay

    Great advice about night riding - I actually knew better but was in a rush etc. which is when this kinda stuff always happens. I didn't mention that about 2 minutes after my light went dark - 2 other riders who were riding the loop in reverse happened by. One of them gave me a fully charged spare battery from what I think he said was a magicshine unit. He trusted me to leave the battery pack under a picnic shelter when I got done which of course I did. The light came on for about 30 seconds with that battery - enough time for both of them to be long gone - then it went out again and wouldn't work with either battery. I thought the magicshine was similar enough to mine that it would work OK. Anyway I don't know if that rules out the battery 100% but I'm leaning towards the light being the cause.

    thanks for the reply fightnut!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Yes they did. I will take and post a few pictures here in the evening.
    Rode 7.5 miles last night with 2 of these lights (one helmet, one handlebar with wide angle lens). More than enough light. Only used Medium setting. No need for high. Everything stayed mounted going over rocky technical stuff. Very impressed. Once I get the legit charger from Action Led I will be all set.

    Good to know the seller cooperated some. I may give it a try. $5 will help offset some of the cost of the Action Led charger I purchased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by comphynum View Post
    Rode 7.5 miles last night with 2 of these lights (one helmet, one handlebar with wide angle lens). More than enough light. Only used Medium setting. No need for high. Everything stayed mounted going over rocky technical stuff. Very impressed. Once I get the legit charger from Action Led I will be all set.
    I have exactly the same experience from the last night with the exception that I did only about 5 miles, some of them in more techy terrain though. One thing that aggravates me a little is that you cannot switch them off with a long press of the button, you have to cycle through the annoying flashing. I do not have the wide angle lens yet but I was not really missing it. I may even use the lens for getting the beam taller rather than wider when it arrives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playa View Post
    here is the one I purchased:
    New CREE XML XM L T6 1800Lm LED Bicycle Bike Head Light Lamp | eBay

    Great advice about night riding - I actually knew better but was in a rush etc. which is when this kinda stuff always happens. I didn't mention that about 2 minutes after my light went dark - 2 other riders who were riding the loop in reverse happened by. One of them gave me a fully charged spare battery from what I think he said was a magicshine unit. He trusted me to leave the battery pack under a picnic shelter when I got done which of course I did. The light came on for about 30 seconds with that battery - enough time for both of them to be long gone - then it went out again and wouldn't work with either battery. I thought the magicshine was similar enough to mine that it would work OK. Anyway I don't know if that rules out the battery 100% but I'm leaning towards the light being the cause.

    thanks for the reply fightnut!
    I'd start with checking the simple things, maybe there is just something loose. Make sure the bezel (front of the light) is screwed down tight. I've had new flashlights flicker, and just by tightening the bezel a 1/4 turn solved the issue.
    If need be, take the bezel off, remove the reflector and make sure the pill (the base that the led is attached to) is screwed down tight. You can see pics in that auction of the light head partially disassembled. You'll see 2 little holes on either side of the LED, put something into those holes to turn and tighten down the pill.
    Check your cables, remove the mount under the light to see that the cable is secure.
    Just basic stuff, look everything over closely to see if anything looks out of wack.

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    followed your suggestions but so far it still won't turn on. I'm gonna try to see if the vendor will send me a new one. I know its a long shot but if you don't ask... I'll let you know if they make it good.
    Thanks.

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    No reply from China yet but I further disassembled the light and a small chip fell out of the housing. I have no idea where it was soldiered on. Here's the pic for your viewing pleasure...


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    Here is the promised picture.

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    does anybody have a link to new drivers and cree xml u2 parts that would fit right into these housings?
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    Thanks, StiHacka. I hope mine comes with that OP reflector as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    In the interest of you not burning your house down, you need a 8.4vDC constant voltage charger. Your normal 9v power adapter would produce 9v at the rated current of 1A and high voltage at lower amperage. You MUST have a constant voltage charger. There only $7.95 at our site.
    How do I know when the battery is charged? Does the charger light turn green or do I just time it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by comphynum View Post
    How do I know when the battery is charged? Does the charger light turn green or do I just time it?
    The charger puts out 8.4v.
    A fully charged pack puts out 8.4v.
    When ever there is current flowing to the battery the charger light is red. When the 2 voltages are equal current flow stops and the charger light turns green.
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    HELP!!! I am new to lights and took a shot on some of the Cree XML T6 1800 Lumen lights as shown at the beginning of this thread. The lights are really bright - agreed. But unfortunately, one of the battery packs drains after less than 2 minutes on high and the other only lasts abut 40 mins. So obviously, I cannot use them.

    I feel like a fool now for ordering from china bc I am getting the runaround that I will have to pay for shipping back to asia (the site says return shipping is paid on defective merchandise). SO now I am left with two lights and two paperweights.

    Is there a way I can rig up some similar batteries myself or use a different pack that will work with these lights? I don't want to oreder the replacement packs i have found online because they are all from China and "fool me once, shame on you......". Is there a comaprable pack from another North American company that I can just plug right into these? Is there an EASY way to do this myself?

    Sorry....I am a newb to this. Thanks for any advice you can give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berry barry View Post
    ... or use a different pack that will work with these lights?
    Here are some suggestions: New clone 3 x XML T-6 49.88 shipped

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    Yep, these lights are just like the other cheapo Chinese crap you get on eBay. As I stated before, mine lasted about 4 rides. I paid about $30 for it so that's $7.50 per ride. Think I'm gonna go with a Cygolite Expilion 700 as a replacement. Looks like they can be had for $115 online. After 15 rides I'm dollars ahead. And it has a better feature set in IMO. But don't mind me, I'm kinda an old curmudgeon

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    Quote Originally Posted by berry barry View Post
    HELP!!! I am new to lights and took a shot on some of the Cree XML T6 1800 Lumen lights as shown at the beginning of this thread. The lights are really bright - agreed. But unfortunately, one of the battery packs drains after less than 2 minutes on high and the other only lasts abut 40 mins. So obviously, I cannot use them.

    I feel like a fool now for ordering from china bc I am getting the runaround that I will have to pay for shipping back to asia (the site says return shipping is paid on defective merchandise). SO now I am left with two lights and two paperweights.

    Is there a way I can rig up some similar batteries myself or use a different pack that will work with these lights? I don't want to oreder the replacement packs i have found online because they are all from China and "fool me once, shame on you......". Is there a comaprable pack from another North American company that I can just plug right into these? Is there an EASY way to do this myself?

    Sorry....I am a newb to this. Thanks for any advice you can give.
    Hi Barry, sorry to hear about your troubles. We can supply you Xeccon 6600 mAh batteries from Xeccon USA service center in Bloomington IN. The batteries comes with 6 months warranties with no buck passing. If there's a problem within the 6 months let us know and we'll send you a new one. BAK cells may just be mid-standard but they are reliable. Special listing for mtbr members is here. We need to be sure the connectors you have are standard connectors. Real cheapo lights tend to have a smaller pin which may result in no or dodgy connection.

    While we are on this subject. Cost of Li-ion packs amount to almost half the cost of the light sets we buy. If it's cheap, it's because of cheap batteries rather than cheap light head componentry. The cost of 4 x real McCoy Panasonic cells are around $7.50 each from a budget site. That's equal to $30 light sets a few pay for. Even if we halve that cost for good mid-range quality cells, you will be paying say USD 3.00 a cell. That's $12 which leaves $18 for a light head including charger, o-rings, extension cables and free delivery from China. So the gist of it is, cheap and reliable in the same sentence is always suspicious. Sets which were reliable are most probably due to blind luck - you just got recycled cells from a good laptop which died of something else.

    It's still anecdotal but there's always a suspicion of recycled, fake, used cells re-wrapped to look like new. The only way to find out is to slit open the wrappers of your dead battery and post the pics if you can. Anyone else who have this problem should do the same probably in a new post. This better informs others of what they can expect, inside. The cells may come from 4 different sources but chances are none of them will be new.

    The moral of the story is still,.... if it's too good to be true, it normally is.

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    I ordered a pair of these a couple weeks ago and used them a couple nights ago. So far I'm very pleased.

    They're very bright and the batteries were still going strong after 2 hrs on medium setting.

    I mounted them to the fat part of my handlebar next to the stem and they stayed put through rough terrain and even a couple small jumps without any fiddling.

    So far so good. Ill be interested to see how long they last
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    Quote Originally Posted by berry barry View Post
    Sorry....I am a newb to this. Thanks for any advice you can give.
    When the original el-cheapo stuff from Chinese sellers breaks, get replacements from Action LED Lights. Got my charger and lens from them a couple days ago, both work great and AL will stand behind their stuff.

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    A big thanks to those who responded about the alternatives availabel as replaceents to the defective Cree XML T6 batteries. I now have a list of viable solutions to my problem. Once I find out definitively that I am not going to get a refund. I will tear the battert apart and see if I can figure out why they don't work.

    Thanks again to all.

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    I purchased a tri-clone on OCt 12, 2012 from securityingstore via ebay for $52 shipped. Can't post links yet, so pm for link if it would be helpful.

    After 4 full charge to shutdown cycles, I'm at 1:36:12 on Low. Supposed 4400mAh 4 cell battery pack. Haven't tried "Hi" yet. Button is green plastic colored; no change to red before dying.

    Questions:
    1) Is this in the ballpark of what other people are getting or am I running short?

    2) After the light shut itself off, I plugged it into the charger for about 5 seconds, and then took it off. Connected it back up in the light ran fine for about 30 seconds. I pulled it off after that, because I didn't want to damage the battery pack by draining it to far. At the same time, I've read about "resetting" the battery pack by plugging it in briefly.

    Could someone better describe this process if it will give me extra battery life without damaging the batteries?

    3) Is there an aftermarket pack that is recommended at this point? The other option is just for me to buy a 2nd light, leave it strapped to my road bike, and then use the 2 packs together when I go out for longer rides.

    Thanks for your collective knowledge. -Marshall

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    just got my Cheapo Chinese lights. Came with a "caution note" stating: beware of overheating when set on high for more then 10 minutes. Im not worried, even at its lowest setting its still hella bright.

    Used it last night to check out the Black Friday line at Best Buy at 10pm. Everyone covered their eyes as I rode up hahaha. About an hour ride with lights on low, battery light still green. I like my new chinese light so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixnr View Post
    Mine came in this week. Outstanding value. Very bright great battery life. Can't believe they can do this for 30$ delivered to my door.

    Sent from my SGH-i917R using Board Express
    Update on my single light from lifebike2011 (ebay)
    Have been using the light for about a month now. In terms of quality the light itself is out standing. The bike mount feels a little cheap. I used the head strap to mount it to my helmet and have only one issue where the ratcheting mechanism for height does not have enough clicks to set it exactly where I want it. Problem solved by slightly over tightening the mounting screw.
    Battery life is outstanding! I have yet to run out of battery so 2+ hours on high. I did have to open the battery pack after my third ride to resolder a connection. Outperforms my triple cree serfas light. (300$)
    Light is very bright and more than meets my needs for a secondary helmet mounted light. It is very much a spot with decent cast around the spot. I am contemplating a flood lens.

    Would highly recommend this light for its outstanding value.

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    I just ordered a super cheap 1 XML clone light.

    9W 1200 Lumen XML XM-L T6 LED 2 in 1 Bike Bicycle Light HeadLight HeadLamp New | eBay

    I figured for less than $24 bones I might as well. I'm figuring that maybe they are new and trying to get more feedback. If they screw me I'll just deal with paypal.

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    Had my first failure with my cheapo light - went for a night ride Thanksgiving Eve and got about 3 miles in when my light shut off. I hit the button but there was nothing. I tried to check the battery connection to make sure it hadn't come loose only to discover that the battery was nowhere to be found. The strap that holds the battery pouch on had completely torn off and dropped the battery off my bike. And of course at this point I discover that I left my little backup light sitting in the back seat of my vehicle so a few tense moments were spent feeling around for the dropped battery and hoping it still worked. Fortunately it did and I was able to rig it up to finish my ride. Guess it's time for a new battery bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemebean View Post
    I tried to check the battery connection to make sure it hadn't come loose only to discover that the battery was nowhere to be found.
    Sorry, but this is the most hilarious post on this thread

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    As most of you, I hated stupid Hi -> Lo-> Strobe -> Off modes on my XM-L clone. So, using some spare time, TI LaunchPad and free samples from TI, I've made my own driver using MSP430G2230 C. I've used the original driver board, but I've removed original MCU and replaced it with MSP430. I've programmed it using Energia (modified version of Arduino IDE for TI Cs). For someone with no C programming experience it was dead easy. It was definitely worth a try because now I've got my modes exactly as I've wanted.

    Now it works like this:
    -Single click: alternates between High and Low (30%)
    -Double click: stobe mode, single click and you're back to whichever mode you were in
    -Hold: switch off the light.

    To do:
    -Remote switch
    -Connect green LED to indicate battery is connected
    -Implement low battery warning.

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    That is great bobale! Much better UI.

    My 1200 lumen came today (wondering if there is any difference between the so claimed 1800, 1600 and 1200 as the LED is always the same...) and so far everything looks seems be working. I did buy it from TOMTOP and they did send me the EU plug i asked in the PayPal's note (they ask us to do that in their eBay's item page). One thing i don't like that much is the battery bag - it doesn't seem to hold the battery that right and it certainly isn't waterproof; also, it doesn't have a hole to pass the electrical cord, so it just comes out of it in a very "loose" way... (sorry for my bad english, i will post pictures soon).
    Anyway, I'm charging the batteries right now... I will only be able to do a test field in two weeks, though.

    About Action LED's wide angle lens: am i suppose to force the "head" of the lamp to unscrew it? Can i really do it manually? I haven't tried that hard, because this is my first lamp and although it is a cheap one, i don't want to break it just yet So, should i use my muscles and unscrew that sucker to then replace it with the new lens?

    Also, could you guys tell me how can i measure my batteries' quality? I do have an old multimeter around the house...

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobale View Post
    Sorry, but this is the most hilarious post on this thread
    I have to admit that my first thought when I figured out what had happened was "Oh, MTBR is going to love this."
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    I just wonder if this can be done to the Skyray S6 or the other 3 XML clone. Perfect work and much better UI
    Quote Originally Posted by bobale View Post
    As most of you, I hated stupid Hi -> Lo-> Strobe -> Off modes
    on my XM-L clone. So, using some spare time, TI LaunchPad and free samples from TI, I've made my own driver using MSP430G2230 C. I've used the original driver board, but I've removed original MCU and replaced it with MSP430. I've programmed it using Energia (modified version of Arduino IDE for TI Cs). For someone with no C programming experience it was dead easy. It was definitely worth a try because now I've got my modes exactly as I've wanted.

    Now it works like this:
    -Single click: alternates between High and Low (30%)
    -Double click: stobe mode, single click and you're back to whichever mode you were in
    -Hold: switch off the light.

    To do:
    -Remote switch
    -Connect green LED to indicate battery is connected
    -Implement low battery warning.


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    Thanks. I've made UI to my liking, but it can be made to suit anyones liking. About 3XML: hopefully, it can. But, as I'm not planning on buying triple any time soon, someone else will have to check that.

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    Wow.
    80K+ views and counting. I'm flattered with the ongoing discussion since my original post a year ago.

    Time for an update:

    After a year of moderate use the battery capacity is only functioning at 20%.
    I always carry 3 light sources but 2 of them failed because of battery issues.
    On my commute home last night the Ebay light cut out at around 35mins (high) after an overnight charge. I had to finish the ride with only a small blinker and 10km was in pitch dark.

    The original charger died after 6 months and had to be replaced.
    So now I plan on building a custom 2S2P battery pack with a set of high quality 3100mAH 18650s

    In the end it costed me $60+ for a year of lighting. *meh*
    Nothing lasts forever but I was expecting a little more longevity then a year.

    In hind sight, if I had to do it all over again I would spend a little more money for a quality light. So if you have this light or you're considering it, don't set your expectations too high. You get what you pay for.

    I'll keep you guys posted on my build.
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    I think you should get a LiPo battery from hobbyking, as bobale suggested. You loose headache, and you can get a 2S1P 8000mAh for a price of 2 18650 panasonics. You just need a hobby charger(perhaps also from hbkg) to charge it properly.

    Quote Originally Posted by spartacus001 View Post
    Wow.
    80K+ views and counting. I'm flattered with the ongoing discussion since my original post a year ago.

    Time for an update:

    After a year of moderate use the battery capacity is only functioning at 20%.
    I always carry 3 light sources but 2 of them failed because of battery issues.
    On my commute home last night the Ebay light cut out at around 35mins (high) after an overnight charge. I had to finish the ride with only a small blinker and 10km was in pitch dark.

    The original charger died after 6 months and had to be replaced.
    So now I plan on building a custom 2S2P battery pack with a set of high quality 3100mAH 18650s

    In the end it costed me $60+ for a year of lighting. *meh*
    Nothing lasts forever but I was expecting a little more longevity then a year.

    In hind sight, if I had to do it all over again I would spend a little more money for a quality light. So if you have this light or you're considering it, don't set your expectations too high. You get what you pay for.

    I'll keep you guys posted on my build.

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    LiPo battery

    My 14yo son has a lot of RC planes/cars they use LiPo so he has several including the chargers.

    What size do I need? I guess I'd have to bribe him to solder on different connectors, etc...




    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I think you should get a LiPo battery from hobbyking, as bobale suggested. You loose headache, and you can get a 2S1P 8000mAh for a price of 2 18650 panasonics. You just need a hobby charger(perhaps also from hbkg) to charge it properly.

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    You'll need 2S battery, whichever capacity will get you job done.

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    Hey Patski,

    Thank you for the generous offer.
    I've already order parts so I can use after market 18650 batteries with an external charger.
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    My build thread is on the way at:
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    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    My 14yo son has a lot of RC planes/cars they use LiPo so he has several including the chargers.

    What size do I need? I guess I'd have to bribe him to solder on different connectors, etc...

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    OK, lifebike2011 finally "found" my returned light, a new one is on it's way...

    Only took 2 months, now let's see how long it takes to get here....

    patski

    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    My lighthead died the FIRST time I used it, I got it from lifebike2011

    The button on the back still glows but nothing... tried several batteries...

    It's been more than 14days, "top rated seller," we'll see if they will help...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I think you should get a LiPo battery from hobbyking, as bobale suggested. You loose headache, and you can get a 2S1P 8000mAh for a price of 2 18650 panasonics. You just need a hobby charger(perhaps also from hbkg) to charge it properly.
    Since the RC hobby type LiPo battery does not have a protection circuit, it will be possible to overdischarge and cause damage to the battery. As long as you are careful to not drain below 6V for this type of light you will be OK.

    It would also be a good idea to install a fuse or PTC fuse in the circuit at the battery to prevent burning up the wiring in the event of a short circuit.

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    You'll need one of these
    Tenergy 32005 PCB for 7.2V / 7.4V Li-PO and Li-ion 18650 / 18500 7.2V Battery Packs
    this will protect your battery

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    Thanks for that link.
    If I wire in a PCB can I still use protected cells in the holder without any ill-effects?

    Here is my make-shift replacement pack for now:
    My project link is here:
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    Thanks for the review, think i'll get one

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    I've read a lot about battery pack issues.
    - Does anyone know if a good replacement battery from Magicshine is compatible?
    - Has anyone had a Battery+ store replace the cells in the battery pack?

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    I think most of us done the replacement on our own. The compatibility depends on the connector you have as the lights come with different connectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucucachu View Post
    I've read a lot about battery pack issues.
    - Does anyone know if a good replacement battery from Magicshine is compatible?
    - Has anyone had a Battery+ store replace the cells in the battery pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I think most of us done the replacement on our own. The compatibility depends on the connector you have as the lights come with different connectors
    Cool thanks. I just ordered a China Cheapo (Magicshine knock-off) through Amazon. I have a Light & Motion Arc (HID) and the battery for that is now down to 30 mins. run time. The HID is freakin' amazing, but I can buy 5 magic shine knock-offs for price of a replacement L&M L/ion Battery.

    I may still splurge for the L&M Battery to use the ARC another few years, but find it hard to buy another proprietary battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucucachu View Post
    Cool thanks. I just ordered a China Cheapo (Magicshine knock-off) through Amazon. I have a Light & Motion Arc (HID) and the battery for that is now down to 30 mins. run time. The HID is freakin' amazing, but I can buy 5 magic shine knock-offs for price of a replacement L&M L/ion Battery.

    I may still splurge for the L&M Battery to use the ARC another few years, but find it hard to buy another proprietary battery.
    I'm right there with you.
    My Niterider Moab battery is down to about 1.5 hours....and now the switch ( or maybe the board inside) is funked up ( it toggles between the HID and leds....no brightness levels or off)....but it still works
    The price of these clones , I can get a couple of lights cheaper than a battery or switch repair.

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    Yay, my replacement light from lifebike2011 arrived yesterday, exactly 3mos from the date I mailed it to them....



    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    OK, lifebike2011 finally "found" my returned light, a new one is on it's way...

    Only took 2 months, now let's see how long it takes to get here....

    patski

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    i've just purchased this system from amazon for $20!

    can anybody tell me how well the helmet strap works?

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    $20? Damn, that's cheap! Please, share link here.

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    Fulfilled by Amazon: 27.40 with free shipping
    From the cheapest seller: 20.91 + 6.48 shipping, which by my math is 27.39

    Whoever set the price was no dummy.
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    I cut straps off, trimmed the plastic down to a minimum for weight savings and used a ziptie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekky View Post
    i've just purchased this system from amazon for $20! can anybody tell me how well the helmet strap works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    I cut straps off, trimmed the plastic down to a minimum for weight savings and used a ziptie.

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    i think that's the route i'm going to take.

    it's what i was thinking of.

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    so my package arrived in the mail today from this shipper, who is located in chino hills, ca. it took the weekend for the item to process and ship to san francisco.

    there's no instruction manual with this thing to speak of. does anybody have an idea of the charge time from a near-complete discharge?

    i've also found a way to rig the lamp assembly to my old niterider helmet mount. note that i have a small piece of velcro attached to the helmet and the mount. i've yet to field test this set up though but i will post a report ASAP.
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    Nice adapting with the Velcro patch.
    I think a full charge took me ~10 hrs.
    Make sure you never leave the charging unattended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartacus001 View Post
    Nice adapting with the Velcro patch.
    I think a full charge took me ~10 hrs.
    Make sure you never leave the charging unattended.

    Exploding Battery pack - CREE XM-LT6 LED Bicycle Light
    mother of dog...

    explosions! really?

    looks like i'll be charging this thing in an old metal cake pan, then...

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