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    just ordered one. I hope it isnt junk. I cant wait to try it out and compare it to what i have been using.

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    I have the Spokegrenade 1000 light and it seems well made and backed with a warranty. Has anyone tried Spokegrenade lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I like the beam pattern shot with the big dark artifact in it.
    If you want to try and fix that you might try a Magicshine orange peel reflector available here and/or a wide angle lens
    Also be aware that the power connector on most of these is not the same as a MS.

    Be for-warned, I have a wholesale customer who uses lights for an off the bike purpose and thought he would save some money and bought 100 of these. Within 6 months over half of his batteries had died and he was SOL.
    What's the longest anyone has had one of these in use and how are they doing?
    I tried swapping the reflector from MS to ebay light and it doesn't fit properly, its less than 1mm height into the LED and you need to cut the outside cup by about a 1mm. The wide angle lens however does fit.

    Some ebay sellers do sell with the orange peel reflector on it, just take a closer look of the reflector before you buy.

    On other note:
    I was on my commute bike the other day and the battery strap snap, next thing I know the battery was dragging behind with the wire holding on..... then snap.... from the connector. I stop, connected back on an off I went, the battery was fine for 3 more hours of tests.

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    i got mine for $40 with a free rear LED light. and it looks a light brighter than the OP.

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    I bought 3 sets at deferent sellers in HK and CHI and 2 lights were the same size and other is not the same size reflector.

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    just got mine. Took it out on my road bike the first night. TOO bright for the road for sure. The lowest setting is fine but the highest is WAY too much for any roads with traffic. You will blind drivers. I had 2 cars pull over completely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    For just a few dollars more you can get a quality Gemini P7 Titan with a Samsung 5200mAh battery pack.

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    I went this route instead. I figure the potential headaches with the cheap lights aren't worth $30-40. I placed the order about 90 minutes ago, and just got a shipping confirmation email.

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    Hi there

    Anyone knows where to find spare battery packs for the light reviewed? Are the connectors the same as for the MagicShine? Or if the T6 Water Resistant XML-T6 3-Mode 930-Lumen White LED Bike Light, from DX - Hong Kong, has the same connectors as the light reviewed?

    Thanks

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    II ordered 2 battery packs @$18.99/ea on fleabay from .cn, they're in SF customs now, will report...

    I cant' post links yet but if you search for "Battery Pack for CREE XM-L" you will find it.

    My MS and my 3 knockoffs all have the same connector.



    Quote Originally Posted by emirwati View Post

    Anyone knows where to find spare battery packs for the light reviewed? Are the connectors the same as for the MagicShine? Or if the T6 Water Resistant XML-T6 3-Mode 930-Lumen White LED Bike Light, from DX - Hong Kong, has the same connectors as the light reviewed?

    Thanks

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    spare battery pack

    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    II ordered 2 battery packs @$18.99/ea on fleabay from .cn, they're in SF customs now, will report...

    I cant' post links yet but if you search for "Battery Pack for CREE XM-L" you will find it.

    My MS and my 3 knockoffs all have the same connector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    My MS and my 3 knockoffs all have the same connector.
    Mine aren't the same. I have 2 DX copies and a few genuine Magicshines and the copies won't work with the MS lights.

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    My batteries are already in West Sac, will know today or tomorrow if they fit/work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Very Good Review...

    The only thing that bothered me was the 1800 lumen claim by the vendor. Sorry but you won't get even half that. Maybe 700 to 800 if you're lucky. I'm glad to see the Action wide lens working so well. One light with wide lens on the bars, one spot on the helmet and you're ready for action.

    Ever once in while I still remember the days riding with my 12 watt Marwi halogen on the bars and my Niterider 10watt spot on the helmet. Back then I thought I owned the night even though the total output from both was maybe 400 lumen tops. ...Ahh, those were the days.
    Now just one cheap cloned XM-L lamp beats what I had back then...and for a lot less money! Say what you will about the Chinese cloned lamps. They still have the best bang for the buck factor and give the novice bike rider the ability to safely see at night without breaking the bank.
    The lumen claims are getting ridiculous, at least when the SSC-P7 was in vogue, 900 lumens was the maximum claim.

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    Yep, they're using the lab numbers of the LED dies, with an air fan blowing cooling air over them (the lumens being better when the die is running at 25C than at 85C)... not real world enclosed in a aluminium housing and ridden on a hot summer night when the lowest temperature of the die might be 30-35C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torchy View Post
    The lumen claims are getting ridiculous, at least when the SSC-P7 was in vogue, 900 lumens was the maximum claim.
    its probably the same "exaggeration" amount in terms of % though.

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    OK, batteries are here, I plugged one into my MS808E charger and one into a knockoff charger, so far so good....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    Mine aren't the same. I have 2 DX copies and a few genuine Magicshines and the copies won't work with the MS lights.

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    Oh, one more thing, the batteries came with this nice double velcro strap bag.
    Battery Black Bag for CREE XM-L T6 LED Headlamp Rechargeable Headlight | eBay



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    OK, batteries are here, I plugged one into my MS808E charger and one into a knockoff charger, so far so good....

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    Fixed the original issue of the light head being N/S. It was a wire that worked it's way loose. But the Led bulb has died. Have the exact same unit as the OP. What specific LED bulb can I use as a replacement? And where is the best source?

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    My lighthead died the FIRST time I used it, I got it from lifebike2011

    The button on the back still glows but nothing... tried several batteries...

    It's been more than 14days, "top rated seller," we'll see if they will help...

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    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    My lighthead died the FIRST time I used it, I got it from lifebike2011

    The button on the back still glows but nothing... tried several batteries...

    It's been more than 14days, "top rated seller," we'll see if they will help...

    CREE XML XM-L T6 1800LM LED Bicycle bike Head Light Lamp/Bicycle Light SET | eBay
    I just bought from the same seller. How long did yours take to arrive? Any customs charges? Please report back if they exchanged the product for you.

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    bought mine from the same seller (lifebike2011) on 9/26 and received on 10/5. worked great during
    garage testing.
    i wish it had the o-ring mount since my bars are too fat. going to actually field test it tonight.

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    They said they will exchange it, I just have to mail the defective one to Beijing....



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    Please report back if they exchanged the product for you.

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    light worked great last night!! wow.

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    almost $9 to mail it back....

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    They said they will exchange it, I just have to mail the defective one to Beijing....

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    I purchased a similar light to the OP's off an Amazon Marketplace seller recently, advertised as an XML T6. Thanks to this thread and the seller switch-a-roo described by others, I knew enough (unfortunately not right away) to check the emitter and they had sent me a SSC P7. Contacted the seller, they said it was a warehouse error, ship it back, and they would refund me. However they wanted me to pay the return shipping because I had already cut up the headband to make a helmet mount and it was no longer a re-sellable item. I contacted Amazon's main CS to ask if this was proper, they said to ship it back out of pocket, and Amazon would give me a credit towards future orders on the cost of the shipping, very cool on their part. So I shipped it back, got my refund from the seller in about 2 weeks, and the Amazon credit for the shipping.

    So, after this is all wrapped up, I get a reminder email from Amazon to rate the seller. I do the review, describe my experience, and rate it 3 stars out of 5 (neutral on the scale). If I had lost money on the deal, the stars would have been less, if they had sent a proper replacement, probably 4-stars would have been in order. Then I start to get badgering emails and phone calls from the seller asking me to rescind the feedback because Amazon views 3 stars as negative when they evaluate Marketplace sellers. In the latest email from the seller's representative, she says she will lose her job by the end of the month if I do not rescind the 3-star rating.

    My gut says they have been lying all along... if it was a warehouse error why not resend the proper item as a replacement? Lose your job over a worthless internet opinion/rating, really? But I really want this all to be done and do not want anyone to lose their job (foreign or domestic) even if the reality of it is very small, so will probably just take down the rating a be done with it. What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnnearfastest View Post
    Then I start to get badgering emails and phone calls from the seller asking me to rescind the feedback because Amazon views 3 stars as negative when they evaluate Marketplace sellers. In the latest email from the seller's representative, she says she will lose her job by the end of the month if I do not rescind the 3-star rating. What say you?
    I'd say keep your honest rating. As you point out you looked for others' experience in deciding to buy. Perhaps complain to Amazon about the seller's response to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnnearfastest View Post
    I purchased a similar light to the OP's off an Amazon Marketplace seller recently, advertised as an XML T6. Thanks to this thread and the seller switch-a-roo described by others, I knew enough (unfortunately not right away) to check the emitter and they had sent me a SSC P7. Contacted the seller, they said it was a warehouse error, ship it back, and they would refund me. However they wanted me to pay the return shipping because I had already cut up the headband to make a helmet mount and it was no longer a re-sellable item. I contacted Amazon's main CS to ask if this was proper, they said to ship it back out of pocket, and Amazon would give me a credit towards future orders on the cost of the shipping, very cool on their part. So I shipped it back, got my refund from the seller in about 2 weeks, and the Amazon credit for the shipping.

    So, after this is all wrapped up, I get a reminder email from Amazon to rate the seller. I do the review, describe my experience, and rate it 3 stars out of 5 (neutral on the scale). If I had lost money on the deal, the stars would have been less, if they had sent a proper replacement, probably 4-stars would have been in order. Then I start to get badgering emails and phone calls from the seller asking me to rescind the feedback because Amazon views 3 stars as negative when they evaluate Marketplace sellers. In the latest email from the seller's representative, she says she will lose her job by the end of the month if I do not rescind the 3-star rating.

    My gut says they have been lying all along... if it was a warehouse error why not resend the proper item as a replacement? Lose your job over a worthless internet opinion/rating, really? But I really want this all to be done and do not want anyone to lose their job (foreign or domestic) even if the reality of it is very small, so will probably just take down the rating a be done with it. What say you?
    I say contact Amazon and tell them about the e-mails and what the seller is doing. Option II: Respond to the sellers e-mail and ask for another lamp at their cost explaining that you got the run-around and that you lost money in the previous deal. If you get a free light you give them a better rating. If it really means that much to them ( which I don't think it will cause I think they're just blowing smoke ) they will send you something for free. Call their bluff. Your call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damnnearfastest View Post
    I purchased a similar light to the OP's off an Amazon Marketplace seller recently, advertised as an XML T6. Thanks to this thread and the seller switch-a-roo described by others, I knew enough (unfortunately not right away) to check the emitter and they had sent me a SSC P7. Contacted the seller, they said it was a warehouse error, ship it back, and they would refund me. However they wanted me to pay the return shipping because I had already cut up the headband to make a helmet mount and it was no longer a re-sellable item. I contacted Amazon's main CS to ask if this was proper, they said to ship it back out of pocket, and Amazon would give me a credit towards future orders on the cost of the shipping, very cool on their part. So I shipped it back, got my refund from the seller in about 2 weeks, and the Amazon credit for the shipping.

    So, after this is all wrapped up, I get a reminder email from Amazon to rate the seller. I do the review, describe my experience, and rate it 3 stars out of 5 (neutral on the scale). If I had lost money on the deal, the stars would have been less, if they had sent a proper replacement, probably 4-stars would have been in order. Then I start to get badgering emails and phone calls from the seller asking me to rescind the feedback because Amazon views 3 stars as negative when they evaluate Marketplace sellers. In the latest email from the seller's representative, she says she will lose her job by the end of the month if I do not rescind the 3-star rating.

    My gut says they have been lying all along... if it was a warehouse error why not resend the proper item as a replacement? Lose your job over a worthless internet opinion/rating, really? But I really want this all to be done and do not want anyone to lose their job (foreign or domestic) even if the reality of it is very small, so will probably just take down the rating a be done with it. What say you?
    Put in one star. Sounds like a bunch of lies. You should not be so nice when they are being so dishonest with you. You give them a good rating for lying to you, they will keep doing it with everyone else. You just happen to catch them. As a service to the next buyer, you MUST rate accordingly, and to me, this is one star service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Put in one star. Sounds like a bunch of lies. You should not be so nice when they are being so dishonest with you. You give them a good rating for lying to you, they will keep doing it with everyone else. You just happen to catch them. As a service to the next buyer, you MUST rate accordingly, and to me, this is one star service.
    Well said... It is one star service... You got the wrong part, they wouldn't fix the problem, ship it back out of pocket, and they lose their job over your review... i'm callin b/s and it's deep... really deep
    There is not much choice between rotten apples.

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    New question here.

    Can I just leave the battery pack connected to the charger 24/7 or will it burn it?
    If I can just leave it, I can put it in the garage with the bikes and automatically have it ready every time without worrying about it.

    Thanks

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    As a general rule, it's not a good idea to leave a battery on the charger unattended. If the worst happens, you want to be there to put the fire out. It'll probably be fine, but unplugging it when you leave the house is better than coming back to a smoldering pile of rubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaktoos View Post
    ...and automatically have it ready every time without worrying about it.
    Li-Ion batteries have very low self-discharge rate, so if you fully charge your battery pack it will stay there for months, ready whenever you need it. That's why you don't need to leave it 24/7 on charger. And since we're talking about cheap Chinese batteries, chargers and battery protection circuits, it's a big no-no to leave it 24/7 plugged in.

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    just got myslf some of the eBay lights. got them for $32 each plus a few bucks for shipping... they claim to be 1800 lumen... yeah right... lol a guy i met riding said he'd been using his for months and it worked fine. i got 2. i also went to Action LED and got the wide angle lense and 2 OP reflectors. plan on using a reflector and the lens on the bars and just the reflector on my helmet. i got the entire setup for under $100 so its worth a shot. havent done any night riding so if these work long enough for me to get more serious about it, its a worthy investment....

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    Mine came in this week. Outstanding value. Very bright great battery life. Can't believe they can do this for 30$ delivered to my door.

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    I found this one on eBay costing only 28usd when shipped to Portugal. It features an OP reflector, 1200lm XML T6 and...8800mA! Is it possible?
    Here it is: 1200 Lumen CREE XML T6 LED Bike Bicycle Outdoor Sports Light Headlight Headlamp | eBay
    What do you think?
    I've finally decided to give this cheap light a try as mi first bike light and i'll use it with a wide lens, because i bike in the road a lot.

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    theres only one way to know for sure... try it out. its nice that it comes with the OP reflector... the higher milliamp battery means it will dicharge at a higher rate (i think)... it may allow the light to run longer... as far as output, ive heard the t6 will only put out about 900-1000 lumen in real world applications. thats still plenty bright. especially if you get one for the bars and one for the helmet. i dunno how they test them to claim such a high lumen rating but everything you will read says that its false advertising... i dont think anyone that has bought any of these "bargain" lights has the resources to actually measure the light output.... theres a million of these lights on ebay and theyre all pretty much the same thing... i dont think anyone can really say there is a better one than the other. its a chance you take by buying knock-off stuff. you can always spend the $79 and buy the magic shine light that has been tested and has a company that backs it.... or you can take the chance with these and get 2 for the price of one.... its all a matter of opinion....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    I found this one on eBay costing only 28usd when shipped to Portugal. It features an OP reflector, 1200lm XML T6 and...8800mA! Is it possible?
    Here it is: 1200 Lumen CREE XML T6 LED Bike Bicycle Outdoor Sports Light Headlight Headlamp | eBay
    What do you think?
    I've finally decided to give this cheap light a try as mi first bike light and i'll use it with a wide lens, because i bike in the road a lot.
    Just a few facts to let you know the quality of the seller you are dealing with.
    The XML-T6 is only capable of 1000 lumens with the best of the batch driven at the maximum safe current level. Any more than that and it's life goes down drastically.

    They state the the light is 9 watts. The Magicshine MJ-808E is 11 watts so if the light is really 9 watts they are driving it lighter than the 808E there for it would have less light. We know the 808E is really about 750 lumens. That would put this light at about 600 actual lumens.

    The battery pack is built of 4 - 2200mAh 3.7v cells. You add 4 together you get 8800mAh right.
    The only problem is the pack is the pack is 7.4v. To get that you put 2 in series and 2 pair in parallel. 2 in series doubles the voltage but not the capacity. So there really selling the same cheap 4400mAh pack as every other clone maker out there. But they show they don't even know basic electricity.
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    Hey just picked up one of these lights but it only works when plugged in, does it need a full charge to work while not plugged in?

    Thanks for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupob6 View Post
    Hey just picked up one of these lights but it only works when plugged in, does it need a full charge to work while not plugged in? Thanks for the help
    Plugged into what? If you mean plugged into the battery, then yes, the light has to be connected to the battery to work.

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    The battery is connected, when I said plugged in I meant the charger to the wall.

    Sorry for the confusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupob6 View Post
    The battery is connected, when I said plugged in I meant the charger to the wall.

    Sorry for the confusion
    You can't have the battery connected to the lighthead and the charger at the same time. I'm probably not helping here, but I think you think the lighthead is a self contained light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lupob6 View Post
    The battery is connected, when I said plugged in I meant the charger to the wall.

    Sorry for the confusion
    Huh?

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    How long does this light usually last on full beam?

    I would like a different lense as it is a bit too focused.

    Does this brightness on full look about right for this light?:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Just a few facts to let you know the quality of the seller you are dealing with.
    The XML-T6 is only capable of 1000 lumens with the best of the batch driven at the maximum safe current level. Any more than that and it's life goes down drastically.

    They state the the light is 9 watts. The Magicshine MJ-808E is 11 watts so if the light is really 9 watts they are driving it lighter than the 808E there for it would have less light. We know the 808E is really about 750 lumens. That would put this light at about 600 actual lumens.

    The battery pack is built of 4 - 2200mAh 3.7v cells. You add 4 together you get 8800mAh right.
    The only problem is the pack is the pack is 7.4v. To get that you put 2 in series and 2 pair in parallel. 2 in series doubles the voltage but not the capacity. So there really selling the same cheap 4400mAh pack as every other clone maker out there. But they show they don't even know basic electricity.
    That makes sense. Thanks a lot.
    I'm still going to buy this clone as it will be my first bike light; BUT i will also buy the wide lens directly from your site eheh.

    @willhub, can you tell me what light is that? Also, did you took that shot in complete darkness?
    You can take a look at this lens and see if it works out for your light: Action-LED-Lights — Wide Angle Lens

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    I've recently bought two Ebay XM-L lights that I am very happy with. While waiting for the first light to arrive, I ordered the wide angle lens insert, but the beam is quite floody, so I'm not using the wide angle lens. Very bright (no way to measure though) and so happy, I bought a second one for more light and just in case I have a light or battery failure (since it/they are cheap Chinese lights and batteries). I have a couple of the original P7 Magicshine lights, and these lights have more light and a better beam pattern (to me, anyway). Just a heads up to anyone still looking into this type of light. Link shown below. I originally bought the first light because I saw it had the OP reflector and hoped that would help make the beam floodier. BTW, I do use both lights as bar lights, so I do prefer a floodier light.

    1800 Lumen CREE XML XM L T6 LED Bicycle Light Bike Cycle Lamp Headlight Headlamp | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    That makes sense. Thanks a lot.
    I'm still going to buy this clone as it will be my first bike light; BUT i will also buy the wide lens directly from your site eheh.

    @willhub, can you tell me what light is that? Also, did you took that shot in complete darkness?
    You can take a look at this lens and see if it works out for your light:
    This light: CREE-XML-XM-L-T6-1800-LM-LED-Cycling-Bike-Bicycle-Head-Light-HeadLamp-HeadLight CREE XML XM-L T6 1800 LM LED Cycling Bike Bicycle Head Light HeadLamp HeadLight | eBay

    Yes it was pitch black, without a light I would not be able to see anything where I was standing and up to the shed.

    Does anyone know of a UK seller that sells a better lense that would fit this? I'd like it to be a bit wider, as turning corners in the pitch black can be a bit scary if I'm going anything over 18mph really, so I have to slow down and don't want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willhub View Post
    Does anyone know of a UK seller that sells a better lense that would fit this? I'd like it to be a bit wider, as turning corners in the pitch black can be a bit scary if I'm going anything over 18mph really, so I have to slow down and don't want to.
    Our lens is available in the UK here
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    Will I need to do a botch job to get it to fit the light I bought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by willhub View Post
    Will I need to do a botch job to get it to fit the light I bought?
    The only thing you may need to do is make up some extra thickness if your original lens is thicker than the wide angle lens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    The only thing you may need to do is make up some extra thickness if your original lens is thicker than the wide angle lens.
    Is it easy to take off the original lens? What do you recommend to make up for the extra thickness?

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    Just unscrew the silver ring at the front.
    You can cut a gasket from a plastic jug or something of that sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    What do you recommend to make up for the extra thickness?
    There's a skinny rubber o-ring already behind the lens, so you can either add a second one of the same thickness, or pick up one that's a little thicker and just use one. You can get them in all thicknesses at hardware stores.

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    Thank you both!

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    I have the bigger brother of this light - maybe gemini olympia clone, who knows. The cause of this was in my case a difference between the 2 cell packs. One measured 3,7V and second 2,7V - unbalanced state. There is a protection PCB in battery pack that cuts off output if some of the cells drops to 2,7V - the normal discharged state. when I charged it for the 1st time with supplied made in PRC charger I measured 8,04V. But now I am using RC model hobby charger and I charge the cells with balancing adapter, so it is OK. The cellpack is 4 x 18650 about 2200mAh/cell. But you can easily build 8 or 12 x 18650/26650 with 4600-6000mAh/cell using holders and some heatshrink wrap and have very long runtime

    Quote Originally Posted by spartacus001 View Post
    My first light review:
    The battery pack appears to be 4 x18650 linked in series and bundled in heat shrink. It's hard to tell if these are protected cells and I didn't want to take off the heat shrink. The cable and connectors pushed together snugly but they lack weather sealed caps which would have been nice. When I plugged in the light I was surprised to find the the batteries already charged. I put it on a volt meter and it measured 7.9V on the 3rd charge. Not the advertised 8.4V. Maybe it needs a break in time

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    I took off mine to have a look in, it's got a thin lense and the reflector is smooth, would it be good to get one of the rough textured looking reflectors? "orange peel" they call it I think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by willhub View Post
    I took off mine to have a look in, it's got a thin lense and the reflector is smooth, would it be good to get one of the rough textured looking reflectors? "orange peel" they call it I think?
    Although I'm sure there are people who prefer the throw and tighter spot light of a smooth reflector, I think many agree that the Orange Peel (OP) makes for a better beam pattern. It sort of blends the edge of the hot spot into the flood better.
    You can get OP reflectors at Action LED's site.

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    There are a lot of XML T6 bike lights on ebay, but I thought I'd share a link to what I think is one of the better deals going at the moment.

    There are several things about this particular light that make it better as far as I'm concerned.
    LED Bicycle Bike Headlight Lamp Flashlight Light Headlamp 1000 Lumen CREE XML T6 | eBay

    1. US shipper, fast shipping.

    2. Rubber encased battery (as opposed to the plastic shrink wrapped ones on most of these Chinese bike lights).

    3. Two strap battery bag. The straps are also longer then the single strap bags, so they actually fit around modern, fatter frames.

    4. Orange Peel reflector.

    5. Cable connectors are threaded and have a little o-ring in them making them more waterproof.

    Now I can't confirm my #6, but I believe the lighthead will be lighter then some others on the market. I have another XML T6 light that has what appears to be the same lighthead, and it weighs less then my Magicshine 808 (P7). By about 15 grams if I remember correctly.

    So there you have it, at least 5 (and maybe 6) things that are better then many similar XML T6 lights on ebay.
    Even though I don't need another light, I may just have to get one of these.
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    Thank you fightnut. Interesting observations, I ordered one of those earlier today from the same seller in IL. The whole listing looked more convincing to me than some of the 1800 lumen versions - I fall for good marketing easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Thank you fightnut. Interesting observations, I ordered one of those earlier today from the same seller in IL.
    Oh! I forgot one of the bigger selling points, US seller and fast shipping! I've updated my post, thanks for reminding me. Keeop us posted when you get it, let us know what you think of it.

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    Looks good, shame they don't ship to the UK I'd have got one of those

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    I bought mine: 1200 Lumen CREE XML T6 LED Bike Bicycle Outdoor Sports Light Headlight Headlamp | eBay just a few hours ago.
    It prefer the 3 seconds trigger feature to get into strobe mode and i also think it already has an OP reflector - could you please confirm me this? Also, i'm not from USA, so i couldn't order that one... I wonder if i can get a better battery bag for the rain though...

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    Seems to be a great price for such light ;-)

    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    I bought mine: 1200 Lumen CREE XML T6 LED Bike Bicycle Outdoor Sports Light Headlight Headlamp | eBay just a few hours ago.
    It prefer the 3 seconds trigger feature to get into strobe mode and i also think it already has an OP reflector - could you please confirm me this? Also, i'm not from USA, so i couldn't order that one... I wonder if i can get a better battery bag for the rain though...

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    I think so too. Hope it really turns out to be a pretty good deal... I bought the wide lens from ActionLed too.

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    I bought the bigger brother Skyray S6 and its glass lens is about 55-59 mm, so I cannot use the 39mm lens for Magicshine but on the other hand I have got more light

    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    I think so too. Hope it really turns out to be a pretty good deal... I bought the wide lens from ActionLed too.

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    Noob requests

    I have just purchased a similar item, incorrectly assuming that 4 x 18650 was an 8.4V battery like MS ones.

    I now have two problems:

    1. Can someone suggest a technique for removing the reflector from the housing, so that I can change the cable? Spartacus' photo suggests his reflector is a sliding fit, but mine is a very tight fit, but presumably an interference fit, not threaded. I don't want to start prising around the LED, so all I can think of doing is inserting a Stanley knife (box cutter) blade between the reflector's sub-millimetre thick rim and the housing.
    2. In view of the relatively complex (3-mode) electronics, can I easily drop 8.4V from a MS battery to the required 4.2V with a resistor? I supect that I will need a 5V regulator and lose another 1.2V with diodes to derive 3.8V.


    Any ideas?

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    If you light is similiar, then it should have come with 8.4V/4400mAh battery pack. It is a 4x 18650 ordered 2S2P giving you 8.4V and 2x2200mAh of capacity Driver takes care of the output voltage/current fed to the xml led.

    1. well, it might be glued to the alloy base, so the heatgun would help.
    2. I don't see the point. Perhaps you should post the light specs./foto here.


    Quote Originally Posted by okthought View Post
    I have just purchased a similar item, incorrectly assuming that 4 x 18650 was an 8.4V battery like MS ones.

    I now have two problems:

    1. Can someone suggest a technique for removing the reflector from the housing, so that I can change the cable? Spartacus' photo suggests his reflector is a sliding fit, but mine is a very tight fit, but presumably an interference fit, not threaded. I don't want to start prising around the LED, so all I can think of doing is inserting a Stanley knife (box cutter) blade between the reflector's sub-millimetre thick rim and the housing.
    2. In view of the relatively complex (3-mode) electronics, can I easily drop 8.4V from a MS battery to the required 4.2V with a resistor? I supect that I will need a 5V regulator and lose another 1.2V with diodes to derive 3.8V.


    Any ideas?

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    I think you can search ebay and you find someone who ships to UK too

    Quote Originally Posted by willhub View Post
    Looks good, shame they don't ship to the UK I'd have got one of those

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    So I got my 2 from eBay the other day. Packaging was not that great. 2 kits were shoved into a little box with no padding or anything to protect them. I ordered some lenses from action led... I ran the lights for a little bit, then gave em a full charge. They only lasted about 1hr 15min on high. I thought maybe the batteries had to break in so I ran the lights til they turned off. Now they're charging again and I'm gonna see how long they run on low. Other than battery life, the lights seem nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    So I got my 2 from eBay the other day. I ran the lights for a little bit, then gave em a full charge. They only lasted about 1hr 15min on high. I thought maybe the batteries had to break in so I ran the lights til they turned off. Now they're charging again and I'm gonna see how long they run on low. Other than battery life, the lights seem nice.
    They don't need to be "broken in", and it's not good to fully discharge a li-ion battery. Also, when you ran them until they turned off, did you do it during a ride, or at least in front of a fan so air was moving over the light? You don't want to just turn these lights on HIGH and let them sit until the battery dies, you'll burn up the LED.

    They should last 2.5 to 3 hrs on high no problem. The manufacturers REALLY should include a care sheet with each bike light. Too many people mistreat their li-ion batteries, or burn up their LED's (because they don't know any better), then they complain when something stops working correctly.

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    I think you should read my post no. 154. But you have to take the batt cover off to check the voltage. They dont need to break in since they are li-ions, you cannot run them empty with protection and they dont mean partial recharge.

    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    So I got my 2 from eBay the other day. Packaging was not that great. 2 kits were shoved into a little box with no padding or anything to protect them. I ordered some lenses from action led... I ran the lights for a little bit, then gave em a full charge. They only lasted about 1hr 15min on high. I thought maybe the batteries had to break in so I ran the lights til they turned off. Now they're charging again and I'm gonna see how long they run on low. Other than battery life, the lights seem nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    If your light is similiar, then it should have come with 8.4V/4400mAh battery pack. It is a 4 x 18650 ordered 2S2P giving you 8.4V and 2x2200mAh of capacity Driver takes care of the output voltage/current fed to the xml led.

    1. well, it might be glued to the alloy base, so the heatgun would help.
    2. I don't see the point. Perhaps you should post the light specs./foto here.
    Thanks for your response, MK. Although my light (ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XM-L-XML-T6-LED-1800Lm-Headlamp-Rechargeable-Headlight-/180959002920) looks very similar, its 4 x 18650 battery must be all 4 in parallel, because the charged terminal voltage is only 3.9V and it is supplied with a 4.2V charger.

    This makes some engineering sense because these lights only have single LEDs with forward voltage of around 2.9V, so running them off 8.4V involves dropping a lot of volts, with corresponding waste of energy.

    That's a good suggestion to use some heat to loosen any glue holding the reflector. My second query arose from wanting to run this 4.2V light from another light's 8.4V battery, but I think I may have to return this one and buy another light explicitly advertised as 8.4V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    So I got my 2 from eBay the other day. Packaging was not that great. 2 kits were shoved into a little box with no padding or anything to protect them. I ordered some lenses from action led... I ran the lights for a little bit, then gave em a full charge. They only lasted about 1hr 15min on high. I thought maybe the batteries had to break in so I ran the lights til they turned off. Now they're charging again and I'm gonna see how long they run on low. Other than battery life, the lights seem nice.
    I get more than two hours out of mine with the light on high and out side temperatures below freezing.

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    I used a fan when I did the test. I put both lights on the bars and pointed a fan directly at them... I read somewhere that charge time was around 4 hrs. I tried to check the site where I got them but it said nothing about charging time. These chargers have an led that goes from red to green when it's charged. One turns green in about 2 hrs. The other takes just a little longer. I'm gonna do a test on low today. I'm supposed to go ride tonight but I need more than an hour of run time.

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    Great reviews guys. This really helps because its now getting dark at 6:00 and going after work is done without one.

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    Well after a good charge last night, I ran one on high and one on low. The one on high cut off at 1.5hrs. I let the one on low burn til 2 hrs. I'm gonna have to break down and buy the genuine magic shine 808Es from action led. I'll tear into the batteries of these cheap-o knock offs sometime to see how they are connected. I have a good RC smart balance charger I may try too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    Well after a good charge last night, I ran one on high and one on low. The one on high cut off at 1.5hrs. I let the one on low burn til 2 hrs. I'm gonna have to break down and buy the genuine magic shine 808Es from action led. I'll tear into the batteries of these cheap-o knock offs sometime to see how they are connected. I have a good RC smart balance charger I may try too.
    You won't be disappointed. Nice bright spot and throws FAR!
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    Ah, OK, now I see the point. Maybe you can drive this light with both 4,2 and 8,4V. If you can disassemble it and find out the driver type - maybe on CPF(candlepower) or BLF(budgetlights) forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by okthought View Post
    Thanks for your response, MK. Although my light (ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XM-L-XML-T6-LED-1800Lm-Headlamp-Rechargeable-Headlight-/180959002920) looks very similar, its 4 x 18650 battery must be all 4 in parallel, because the charged terminal voltage is only 3.9V and it is supplied with a 4.2V charger.

    This makes some engineering sense because these lights only have single LEDs with forward voltage of around 2.9V, so running them off 8.4V involves dropping a lot of volts, with corresponding waste of energy.

    That's a good suggestion to use some heat to loosen any glue holding the reflector. My second query arose from wanting to run this 4.2V light from another light's 8.4V battery, but I think I may have to return this one and buy another light explicitly advertised as 8.4V.

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    If one pack is "charged" earlier, than you can have unbalanced batteries inside the pack. If I assume the batteries are quite new and not damaged. You can take the cover off the pack and measure the voltage ;-)

    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    I used a fan when I did the test. I put both lights on the bars and pointed a fan directly at them... I read somewhere that charge time was around 4 hrs. I tried to check the site where I got them but it said nothing about charging time. These chargers have an led that goes from red to green when it's charged. One turns green in about 2 hrs. The other takes just a little longer. I'm gonna do a test on low today. I'm supposed to go ride tonight but I need more than an hour of run time.

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    Does someone have a comparison of both of these lights? I think they will be almost the same.
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    You won't be disappointed. Nice bright spot and throws FAR!

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    The difference is quality.... The eBay lights are mass produced on street corners all over Asia. Manic shine actually does testing im sure... They're consistent and everything works how it should and as advertised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    The difference is quality.... The eBay lights are mass produced on street corners all over Asia. Manic shine actually does testing im sure... They're consistent and everything works how it should and as advertised.
    Kind of a funny statement when one considers the conversations that were taking place here 3 years or so ago when the MS's first came on the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okthought View Post
    Thanks for your response, MK. Although my light (ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XM-L-XML-T6-LED-1800Lm-Headlamp-Rechargeable-Headlight-/180959002920) looks very similar, its 4 x 18650 battery must be all 4 in parallel, because the charged terminal voltage is only 3.9V and it is supplied with a 4.2V charger.

    This makes some engineering sense because these lights only have single LEDs with forward voltage of around 2.9V, so running them off 8.4V involves dropping a lot of volts, with corresponding waste of energy.
    :
    Just to keep the facts straight, the driver circuit reduces the voltage by switching the power on and off about 10,000 times a second. The power is feed into a capacitor to smooth it out. The amount of time on vs off is adjusted as the input voltage changes or to change the brightness.
    Efficiency varies from about 85% to 98% depending on the quality of the driver.
    This rapid on/off creates a weak radio (RF) signal that can interfere with some wireless bike computers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    They don't need to be "broken in", and it's not good to fully discharge a li-ion battery. Also, when you ran them until they turned off, did you do it during a ride, or at least in front of a fan so air was moving over the light? You don't want to just turn these lights on HIGH and let them sit until the battery dies, you'll burn up the LED.

    They should last 2.5 to 3 hrs on high no problem. The manufacturers REALLY should include a care sheet with each bike light. Too many people mistreat their li-ion batteries, or burn up their LED's (because they don't know any better), then they complain when something stops working correctly.
    I'm a noob. What constitutes proper care? What should I and should I not be doing with these?
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    Quote Originally Posted by comphynum View Post
    I'm a noob. What constitutes proper care? What should I and should I not be doing with these?
    You can look here for some tips. BATTERY CARE
    Also check batteryuniversity.com for tons of information.
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    Good job!

    That's a good article. Thanks for posting jim....

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    The issue with cheap ebay lights is that they quote LED lumens and not OTF lumens. Actually the same can be said about a lot of lights. How hard the LED is driven also is a huge factor.

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    Perhaps, who knows. But a little electrical engineering would cost nothing and may be helpful

    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    The difference is quality.... The eBay lights are mass produced on street corners all over Asia. Manic shine actually does testing im sure... They're consistent and everything works how it should and as advertised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing View Post
    You won't be disappointed. Nice bright spot and throws FAR!
    ActionLED has the Gemini Titan p7's back for $75 with that nice battery pack. I ordered another 1 yesterday when I noticed they were back in stock. I'd bet they won't last long.

    The one I've had for ~6 wks has awesome run time in low & med, ~7-8 hrs in my mixed commute use. I use low in the morn, just for driver visibility (~40min to daycare, then work pulling my son on his trail-a-bike) and ~15min home on brighter setting.

    Now I need to figure out how to mount one as rear light with the red lens.

    I've been following this thread a while and decided that the potential issues with the clones over using someone like Action-LED that ships from the US & has good customer service was worth the extra cost, especially since I'm pulling my 4 yr old half the time, I needed the reliability. I ordered yesterday after lunch & they had it in the mail same day!


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    @logbiter: that's a great deal on the Titan. I have a riding buddy that uses one of those and it's a very nice light, definitely a step up from the P7 MJ808's. And that 5200mah is a great upgrade as well.

    And I wholeheartedly agree with getting a light from a quality vendor like Action-led-lights. ANY product can and will have issues, so paying a little extra for customer support and warranty service is a good investment. Plus, you're giving some business to people working in the US, which is always a good thing.
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    Ditto. I did the same and don't regret it.

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    I received my lights today (LED Bicycle Bike Headlight Lamp Flashlight Light Headlamp 1000 Lumen CREE XML T6 | eBay) and the first impression is very good. I am really inexperienced in these matters but the lights look well made, the o-rings in connectors indeed offer better weather sealing, the battery pack in a nice Velcro case with two straps is in a quality-looking sealed soft rubber enclosure. Time to charge now and test tonight!

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    Is it normal to sell 8V DC adapters as battery chargers?
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    [QUOTE=logbiter;9857392]
    Now I need to figure out how to mount one as rear light with the red lens.

    I've been running one mounted to the seat rails with a helmet mount like Jim suggests on his website. It's very stable and mounting the Titan under the seat keeps the power button far enough away from the seat post to easily adjust the power level while riding (although low is very bright) and also illuminates the rear tire which is good since there is no side visibility with this light (I'm working on a solution to this). I get lots of positive feedback from other riders and people in cars too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Is it normal to sell 8V DC adapters as battery chargers?
    I would check it with a volt meter. It should be 8.4v. If it's less you won't get a full charge. If it's more it could over charge the battery (dangerous)
    .6A will be a very slow charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Is it normal to sell 8V DC adapters as battery chargers?
    Hmm, my other xml clone chargers say 8.4v at 1A and usually fully charge in 4 hrs or less.

    In my case, I would just use one of my other chargers, but that would be a bummer if this is your only light.

    Keep up posted on whether it's fully charging the battery, and if so, how long it's taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut View Post
    Hmm, my other xml clone chargers say 8.4v at 1A and usually fully charge in 4 hrs or less.

    In my case, I would just use one of my other chargers, but that would be a bummer if this is your only light.

    Keep up posted on whether it's fully charging the battery, and if so, how long it's taking.
    That will need some instrumentation since the adapter has no charging indicator. I can see where they cut corners in this set. Yes, I have a pair of these, no other lights, both came with the same AC adapter.

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    I'm thinking about piecing 2 kits together from Action LED. Gonna use 2 of the MS 808e heads and 2 of the 5600mah battery packs... It's only a few extra $$$ vs the complete kits w/ 4400mah packs. Anyone see anything wrong with that setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    I'm thinking about piecing 2 kits together from Action LED. Gonna use 2 of the MS 808e heads and 2 of the 5600mah battery packs... It's only a few extra $$$ vs the complete kits w/ 4400mah packs. Anyone see anything wrong with that setup?
    No problem with that setup, and I ran that for 1.5 years. However, after trying the MJ-872 on the bars I like it a lot better. The MJ-808's are great throwers with a tight spot, but not much spill. That's great for the helmet for directing 40+ feet out there, but up close I like a flood as opposed to a spot.
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    I have one of the wide angle lenses from action led in my eBay light on my bars and was pretty happy with the 10x30 degree beam. I left the helmet one alone as a spot. It has a smooth reflector so the spot is real tight on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digglesworth View Post
    I'm thinking about piecing 2 kits together from Action LED. Gonna use 2 of the MS 808e heads and 2 of the 5600mah battery packs... It's only a few extra $$$ vs the complete kits w/ 4400mah packs. Anyone see anything wrong with that setup?
    There has been enough request for that upgrade so there is now a link in the MJ-808E listing to upgrade to the MJ-6030 battery for an additional $17. That way you get the chargers too.
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