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    Oculus lights

    Hi all,

    Anyone have any experience with the Oculus light from Barry Beams? Seems like a tiny little company, but I can get a good price because of a race I'm doing.

    Here's the link to their website:
    O - Oculus Lighting

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    Look like pretty cool lights but the lumen output is way overrated. Kind of saddened by that. Cool to see something interesting coming out american made but there is no possible way to make those lumens in something that small thats 80% plastic. It would melt. Plus run times would be insanely short.

    Definitely curious to see more about it though, they put a lot of thought into other points of the light.
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    The kickstarter was waaaay back in 2012... His claims have been met with some skepticism...

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...r-Barry-Beams/

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    Thanks for the feedback. Is there a better choice around this price point? I've been considering the Nitefighter BT40S, but I'm also tempted by the Ituo XP3 - just wish it came with a battery.

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    That light is still a cool idea, a lot of thought went into it but seems after reading that link there has been a lot of shadiness behind the whole thing and his answers are very deflective when people ask for more detailed info.

    I'll be watching to see if anyone that's a fellow light nerd gets one. Would shed some light on it (no pun intended)

    Xp3 does come with a battery. All ituo lights do. There is an option of light head only for those that have batteries is all.

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    Hmm, NASA, some basketball player, the website looks weird. Those optics are interesting, if simplistic, also seems like he tried a bit of an upper cutoff with that lip. 1800lm from this setup isn't unrealistic, but I wouldn't expect constant output and long battery life. The assembly also looks a bit wierd to me

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    Not crazy about the beam pattern. Looks like another basic ring around a circle.

    Might as well buy cheap. Otherwise for a few $$ more and not much, many other better choices in my opinion. ANd some better cheaper options too. I'll bet my 950 boost (Lumina) is brighter and a better beam as well.

    Just a hunch.

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    You mentioned XP3 as an option. Their lights can be bought as just the head or as a complete kit with battery pack. I bought one and it is outstanding. Real light output numbers and solid run times. Seriously great light just choose the option with the battery pack. I think it's on sale for $199.
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    I'll be renting the light anyways for my race, so if there's any info you all would be interested in, I can see what I can do.

    The XP3 looks interesting, but pricey. How does it compare to the Light and Motion stuff? I'm also looking at the XP2, it would probably be sufficient for my needs, especially since I already have a 1400 lumen light from Nite Rider. I was also thinking of getting the Ituo light head and sourcing the battery elsewhere, but I don't know if that's really a better option.

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    Problem with sourcing other batteries isn't going to save that much money and you risk performance loss and have to deal with connector compatibility (not a big deal on that, basic common ones work ok).

    Any packs that are substantially cheaper aren't going to be able to run the light as the cheap cells used in them have substantially less capacity and load capabilities. There is one decent offering out there (discussed in another thread) but the cost savings versus buying a full kit isn't much due to the savings versus buying the battery/charger separately.

    Either light would do well. You may have an issue with the different tints to the lights though. Some do.

    Just some thoughts for you there, probably not making the decisions any easier lol.

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    I have met Barry Burr at Interbike several times. The first time he was just trying to license his optic system to other light manufacturers. Each time things had moved a little farther along. 2 years ago he had a prototype of this light and was walking around showing it off and I think looking for some ooh ahh's from anyone that showed interest. He had a pretty impressive cutoff beam pattern that got better with each year. He was always very tight lipped about how it worked. I'm surprised the website doesn't make more of a point about it. It's not just "another basic ring around a circle"
    I'll be interested if someone here tries one to see if it's as good a beam as I remember seeing.
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    I would concur that you should use the battery packs and wiring supplied by ITUO. They have done a very good job of creating a product or shall I say a complete product. Sometimes we all try to save a few bucks trying to buy parts of something, in this case a lighting system. You could get a cheaper battery pack but you would not be getting a better battery pack for the money.

    Regarding your question about light and motion products I can tell you they are good products with good performance however they are insanely overpriced for what you're getting. I would add that of the four light and motion lights that I bought, two of them have had to go in for warranty service with less than a month of use. On top of these issues the color of the light output is way too white causing washout and atmospheric reflection. Washout means there is less depth perception and atmospheric reflection means that even a small amount of mist or minor fog will cause the light to reflect back very easily. The ITUO guys use a more neutral color that means you can actually use tue light coming out.
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    I'll be renting the light anyways for my race, so if there's any info you all would be interested in, I can see what I can do.

    The XP3 looks interesting, but pricey. How does it compare to the Light and Motion stuff? I'm also looking at the XP2, it would probably be sufficient for my needs, especially since I already have a 1400 lumen light from Nite Rider. I was also thinking of getting the Ituo light head and sourcing the battery elsewhere, but I don't know if that's really a better option.

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    Threads on Oculus come up from time to time. There's also Oculus Lights - Bike Forums
    that started after the LA Times chose Oculus as their pick for best bike light in show from the last Interbike.
    Critics and trolls abound on the internet. Some in bike lighting reccomend not to give the time of day to Candlepower Forums naysayers, and my first hand experience at trying to deal rationally with them confirms that.
    Oculus optics are patented, so anyone can look up the overall geometric configuration by reading the patent.
    The product has continually improved, up to now being _The go to light for top teams and competitors at RAAM, along with numerous advance orders for lighting sales and support at top 24 hour MTB races.
    No one should believe idle internet speculation.
    RACKC's comments seem to give him away as a troll who recently sent me baiting messages with similar defaming speculation and claims. When I wouldn't bite, and asked him to identify himself and give me a phone call, he didn't reply. I tend to trust the US Patent Office, NASA Ames' Research Labs, and the hundreds of riders who choose Oculus when the race or their neck bike commuting is on the line, for the actionable feedback that both verifies the credibility of the lights claims, and leads to further product improvements.
    I enjoy talking lighting tech with respectful and knowledgeable people in the lighting industry. The disrespectful naysayers who try to sound like they know better when they have no first hand knowledge, show through for being just that.
    Its also gratifying each time another customer extolls how their Oculus does light the road like no other light ever has before.
    At this year's RAAM, I have a)the overall winner of of the Race Across the West, b)Alexandra Meixner - world female iron-man triathlon champion and record holder, c)Seana Hogan - ultra distance racing legend and many time RAAM winner and female record holder, and d) Legends of the Road, four famous former motorcycle and Indycar racers now racing bicycles - two are paraplegics crippled from career ending motorcycle crashes who are racing on handcycles custom crafted at six figure expense by Dan Gurney's race car fabrication shop with Shimano's direct technical assistance and custom programmed electronic shift specifically for the handcycle.
    Last year I had the overall relay winner.
    The key with lighting at RAAM is that everyone has a follow car with headlights on. But ever try to bike at night with only the light of headlights from the car behind? Racers on Oculus find greater downrange visibility, side visibility, reduced eyestrain and road fatigue, and increase contrast and depth perception over other lights they can choose and that any lighting company is more than happy to give them.
    For solo racers, they can ride non-stop for longer periods of time with much longer burn times at brightnesses that would have required battery changes and separate battery packs before.
    For relays, they go at full brightness with a self contained unit that's makes the crew's job easier too, and a battery that fully recharges before each racer's turn comes to ride again.
    Feel free to inquire at Help@OculusLights.net, or call the office at the contact info listed on the O - Oculus Lighting website.

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    Not cool to have your first post calling ppl "trolls". And I have no idea of anything in which your referring to as trolling. Not my way. Im simply one of the resident light nerds that's doubting the situation because of the scarcity of any information. Beyond the few minutes spent on looking at links and such posted here Ive been off on other things. Haven't contacted anyone.

    You having gone through all the effort of patented optics and such means you came up with something truly unique. Thats pretty sweet.

    But the question remains, why all the secrecy behind the simple information. Run time, modes etc.

    There is 100s of sites out there that have a similar feel making insane claims but nothing really to back it up. And a lot of CPF guys doubting things as well. But those are 99% of the time rebranded chinese junk lights. There is a few like TrailLed and such that have gone to the point of having pros in the cycling world that know lights well to do a review to avoid critics.

    Excuse me for posting here being curious if there is anything to show truth to what your lights are supposed to do. Basic, common knowledge among led enthusiasts goes against you claims. Some real innovation is a welcome site these days. But why not share some info to prove yourself right and the critics wrong. Theres just alot about that light that bends or breaks the "rules" of an LED light.

    Not like we're asking for explicit details, but an overview, runtimes, confirmed output modes, simple basics that are usually posted on the web pages/packaging for almost any light.

    Best of luck with these, they look to be pretty nice lighting systems for small and self contained. Maybe at some point my "curiousity" will out weigh my reasoning and add another light to my collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAKC Ind View Post
    Not cool to have your first post calling ppl "trolls".
    The last time you were so negative about a vendor you ended up selling their products.


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    Lol very true.

    I never meant anything negative (except accusing me of i dont even know what) by my posts. Just curious to get more info and lost to the reasoning behind any info being so hard to find or not existing. Especially on something thats the culmination of someones vision to do something new and different.

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    The private email from a writer who refused my request to identify themselves or call me, and the public posting you made here state the same incorrect mental reverse engineering. In my previous line of work, there was a common saying we used for a certain type of caller, RTFM. If you asked what are the battery burn times for different settings, you would receive a reply directing you to the user guide section of the website, covering batteries and charging.
    Instead you accused that information isn't available, that is available for anyone who looks, and that the light can't perform as it does only based on your erroneous mental reverse engineering, instead of buying and trying one.
    This is the only reply I will make to you.
    You come across that you're in the bottom 2% of potential customers who shold be avoided. I would rather that you don't buy an Oculus, because you will not be satisfied regardless with an item that is outside of the conventional wisdom that you feel all lights must work like, and forces you to change your view of what's possible. The typical 80th percentile that a small business with limited resources targets selling to are looking for both great performance and great value, in a product that they will want to show off and turn others on to, appreciate responsive customer service, and make comments and ask questions constructively.
    Like any business, Oculus follows best practices for protecting trade secrets and company confidential information. We won't disclose information that would take away the competitive advantage over other brands. It would be foolish to tell you, for instance, exactly what the main body and reflective insert are made of and the processes used that make it possible to mold those complex shapes.

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    Actually i couldn't get the info to pull up from my phone which is why I asked.

    Not sure why that Im asking about similar details to someone who trolled you on social media or whatever means im whoever that person is. Interestingly enough the same questions I wondered about here are asked in other places yet those ppl arent being accused.

    Not a way to gain customers man. Simply some links, less of this "everyone is wrong but me (you)" responses would go a long way.

    Im simply trying to help you out because it seems you stumbled on something. But you advertising your lights like its US vs Russia cold war era. You got a chance to go big even on one point, 26650 cells being used. Not many around especially in bike lights that offer that.

    Sorry man, not sure what your deal is, but you really need to relax, have a beer, go for a ride or something. Your wound WAY TOO TIGHT

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    Just checked from an iPhone and android, and the Battery Specifications, Charging, and Usage section comes up just fine.
    Same as my private message to your private email, you're welcome to meet for a test ride, buy a light so you can speak from firsthand experience, or stop posting idle slanders intended to defame a disruptive innovation that's superior to how any other bike light can both make the rider more visible to others and light up the road for the bicyclist to see more clearly than any other bike light beam can.
    Do I have your permission to repost the private email that made the same uninformed claim as your public posting did using nearly the same wording, within a day of your public posting?
    My best suggestion for you is to stop trying to sell your products by belittling your competition. Rather, extoll the virtues of your own product so that the customer will choose it as the clearly superior choice over any other. You might find that resellers who do take the risk on a new brand, are finding that customers love the Oculus, and the keystone markup gives the reseller a better deal than the big industry names too. That makes Oculus a win/win for both the customer and the reseller both.

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    Ok man, can only shake my head at that...

    No where was i "slandering" anything on this thread. Please point out where this was done and if so, the lab test results proving it wrong.

    And so the page was working for you, for me it requires a download. With all.the security issues out there from independent websites, i won't download anything onto my phone or computer from a site I can't verify.

    Since this issue of yours has kept going, i did download it finally as I doubt your going to be trying to drop malware or anything on people. Advise, post that stuff on the product pages. People as a whole dont want to download an excel file just to check run times and other very basic info.

    Funny thing being is your bashing me about competition when i could give a crap about that. Even given you Kudos multiple times (which seems you fail to read or choose to ignore). Bike light world is full of holes and yours is something thats helping prove the big brands are lacking behind in tech and performance. Innovation coming in the form of gimicky displays and such. Yours however brings innovation, not sure what's so hard to understand.

    And a poster that is very local competition to me I have recommended publicly and via email because he can fill a requirement or a part we can't. He posted above.

    As for emails or whatever, kind of asking the wrong person because their not mine. My personal email is via Gmail. Has been for as long as i can remember (think i had yahoo before that) Is that where the emails were sent from is a gmail email address? Was it sent from @rakcindustries.com or @ituolights.com????

    You need to calm yourself and realize any thread about a new light will get a couple hundred hits or more in a day. You have a lot of critics out there.

    Instead of picking a fight here and ruining your reputation, calm down and start actually having a constructive conversation here. You can gain some massive brand recognition and good customers from here. There is A LOT of guys here that simply collect lighting systems because they are intrigued and love riding after dark. And 1000s upon 1000s that visit here when they are looking for lighting systems.

    MTBR is a valuable resource for everyone. Riders, dealers, and manufacturers alike. Take our questions and doubts as an opportunity to show the cycling world what your lights have to offer. Would do wondrous things for you since it seems youve ran into some serious hurdles over the years. Most of us here are here for the cycling world, not everyone is out to screw you.
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    You said "there is no possible way to make those lumens in something that small thats 80% plastic. It would melt. Plus run times would be insanely short." and "a lot of shadiness behind the whole thing".
    Your posting misled another poster to ask "Is there a better choice around this price point?", when anyone who gets first hand experience at $150 up to $300+ lights knows that Oculus is the best choice.
    I can laugh my original overly ambitious design goals, unrealistic time to market projections, and unrealistic cost targets from myself six years ago. A few years and enough money that I could have bought a house with later, this current third version, Oculus 1800, is being raced by some of the best ultra racers in the world, who are finding a definite advantage at night at RAAM despite having car headlights on behind them.
    The performance and reliability exceeds anything I thought five years ago that could make it to market and still leave me (sometimes barely) with a roof over my head.
    Since you're in the lighting sales business, and don't live nearby for a demo ride, why don't you get first hand experience instead of spreading inaccurate speculation? Buy a sample at reseller price, and decide if selling Oculus is a better deal for both customers and resellers than the brands you carry now.
    What comes next? In two years since finally getting the current Oculus' optic all dialed in, I've taken on the holy grail of meeting the German STVZO specs:
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2...khQS0ZIWmQ4LXc
    In the few months since recording that video, I've got it up to ~500 lumens and a 40+ lux B spot with not more than 2 lux H line. No other single LED STVZO light, comes close.

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    Isn't this the same guy that stiffed his kickstarter backers a few years ago?

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...by-barry-beams

    Lots of angry comments there. He seems to accuse anyone who disagrees with him of slander. He even allegedly went so far as to track down one backer's employer and try to get him fired.

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    Oculus selected by American Outdoors TV as best bike light at Interbike:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68Sc72mKJ4

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    Accepting your bet, MB323323.

    Hey MB323323,
    I'll take you up on that bet. How about $10,000? Put your money where your mouth is, or withdraw and remove your posting.

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    Not crazy about the beam pattern. Looks like another basic ring around a circle.

    Might as well buy cheap. Otherwise for a few $$ more and not much, many other better choices in my opinion. ANd some better cheaper options too. I'll bet my 950 boost (Lumina) is brighter and a better beam as well.

    Just a hunch.

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    This has turned out to be one strange thread. I've never seen anyone so aggressively push on a new product. Nice to see new stuff though. Admittedly I too was doubting the validity of the Oculus claims but it seems just by doing some research I find that at least two of my previous doubts are now without merit.

    It was said that a lamp outputting in the 3000 lumen range would be hot enough to melt plastic. That would be true if the emitters were using standard plastic as a heat sink. It seems now however that there are newer types of plastics that can transfer heat better than some metals, interesting. Of course it was not said if indeed the Oculus lamps were using this newer type of plastic. Whatever, I don't peruse "new tech" websites on a regular basis so all this was news to me as well.

    My second doubt was the Oculus claim that they could supply a 26650 cell capable of supplying > 5000mAh. Well, I'm usually pretty up to speed on battery stuff but I couldn't recall anyone selling a 26650 cell at that capacity. Once again, I'm wrong. It seems there are 26650's listing at that capacity but I'm not sure who is making them yet. Likely either Samsung or Panasonic. I see Orbtronic selling a non-protected 5200mAh 26650 and I trust Orbtronic because they've been in business a while and the batteries I've bought from them have always had the listed capacity ( within +/- 5% of listed capacity ).

    Of course there are other things like LED configurations that can supply 3000 lumen but with newer and newer LED packages being designed for cars, I'm certain 3000 lumen is possible. My biggest doubt now is the type of beam pattern being provided. I'm not impressed by the photos on the Oculus website. I'm not saying it's not a good light with a good beam pattern, I'm saying the photos are lousy. I'm of the opinion that if this lamp is as good as claimed the seller/manufacturer should be willing to provide one for an unbiased review. Maybe send one off to "DC Rainmaker" or to MTBR's Francois. Both are professional reviewers and I'm sure would give the lamp a fair shake down.

    I'm not interested in reviewing the lamp myself as I'm already reviewing a couple of the Raveman lamps. Of course if other people on this forum wanted me to review an Oculus lamp I might think it over. I just don't feel like testing another lamp right now. The weather is starting to get cold and I hate riding in cold weather.
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    bikelighting, you should send your lights to Francois who runs this site. Every year he does a massive comparison of led lights including measurements and outdoor pictures. It's a better comparison than the bike magazines run.

    Anyway, looking forward to your results.

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    all you ragging on this light...but imho, I think Barry just went one level over
    everyone's head in bike lighting. you may not want it, but it redefines what a little light can do with some extra engineering behind it.
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    They look like nice lights for sure, but the ""responses" given to anyone who calls into question any of the claimed specs makes it look like a lot fluff. No doubt his optics have some serious skills in engineering put into them. But the big lumen claims on some models is just impossible. An LED (or 2-3 of them) with that high of lumen output being powered off a single 26650 cell is impossible for more than about a minute. But can be done to show that output for the first 30 seconds then drop off hard.

    But if these claims were to be true, why no ANSI level certifications, why such hostility received when doubts are shared? Why no desire to send out a light to Francis or others that have the equipment to prove claims right or wrong?



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    Quote Originally Posted by RAKC Ind View Post
    They look like nice lights for sure, but the ""responses" given to anyone who calls into question any of the claimed specs makes it look like a lot fluff. No doubt his optics have some serious skills in engineering put into them. But the big lumen claims on some models is just impossible. An LED (or 2-3 of them) with that high of lumen output being powered off a single 26650 cell is impossible for more than about a minute. But can be done to show that output for the first 30 seconds then drop off hard.

    But if these claims were to be true, why no ANSI level certifications, why such hostility received when doubts are shared? Why no desire to send out a light to Francis or others that have the equipment to prove claims right or wrong?



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    I think that you've identified the biggest issue with the lights - customer service. I used an Oculus light in a race this summer (along with another teammate). I liked mine, was totally bright enough, and the spare battery was easy to carry. I almost bought the rental we got from Oculus.

    However, my teammate's light sh*t the bed on her partway into the lap, and she had to finish with a headlamp. Not fun. Seemed pretty clear from her account that the battery hadn't been charged fully, and it just died on her. When she gave the light back to Oculus and let him know the issue, he blamed the issue on her and accused her of using the light wrong - definitely didn't take any responsibility. Maybe he just forgot to charge the battery; not a great mistake to make when you're renting lights at a race, but I guess it's an honest one. Blaming the customer for a problem with your product though... That seems like the number one thing not to do.

    Like I said, I almost bought the light, but poor customer service convinced me not to. I think Oculus has a decent product, but aggressive, accusatory customer service is killing any reasons I see to buy them.

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    oh that explains a ton then

    can't be crabby and talk to consumers...crabs need to stay down in engineering dept

    edit: can't be crabby and talk to light forums, because you'll get reamed
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    all you ragging on this light...but imho, I think Barry just went one level over
    everyone's head in bike lighting. you may not want it, but it redefines what a little light can do with some extra engineering behind it.
    Assuming everything you said is true, if you have a product that is one or two steps above the competition, "Why not tout those differences to sell the product"? It's not enough just to tell people, "Hey folks, I have this great little light capable of 3000 lumen output and Oh, by the way it's got the greatest beam pattern in the world because I have a great optic I designed myself". Okay, that sales technique might work and be enough to convince people who are novices when it comes to bike lighting but when you come onto a bike light forum you are dealing with people who have been around the block more than a couple of times ( if you catch my drift ). Those people are going to need more than just a sales pitch. They're going to want some explanations and going to "want to see" what exactly is being done to achieve the results claimed by the seller. People who aren't novices tend to question new technology because sometimes people selling new or innovating products will make bogus claims. That's just way it is and it's why it's necessary for people selling new innovated products to be a little more transparent ( when being called into question ).

    The astute person will ask questions before buying a new product. They will ask the hard questions because that is what life has taught them to do. If their questions are brushed aside or in some way treated as though somehow they are idiots for asking questions, the astute person treated as such will sometimes decide not to take the bait and just go somewhere else. It's what people do. If you're going to hawk a product you need to understand human nature. Most of us are grown ups and as such most of us are wary of anything we don't quite understand or have prior knowledge of. If you educate us with dignity we become disciples. On the other hand if you dismiss the questions of the wary and treat them as though they are just trying to be obstructive than you are going to lose a large portion of the very people you are trying to convince.

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    he didn't pass the CPF test, those guys are the harshest
    some oculus threads were wiped clean off, and the remaining ones
    are a lot like this:

    This thread was inactive nearly two years, and then resurrected to start a flame war. This is not how we do things on CPF-- flaming, baiting, and trolling are disallowed. Fanning the flames, taking the bait, and biting at hooks are similarly disallowed and does not represent the high standards CPF upholds.

    This thread is being closed and the offending posts and subsequent replies have been unapproved.
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    $CatMan Thank you for taking a look instead of dismissing Oculus' extreme claims as being impossible because they're outside of conventional wisdom.
    The Oculus 26650 are from one of the major Asian makers who make batteries that many other brand names relabel. The Orbtronics are reshrunk and relabelled from a different maker. Differences vs Oculus supplied batteries Orbtronics has a wide separation between + contact and main cell body, and white insulating seal.
    Oculus 18650 are from a US Panasonic distributor.
    A picture on the Oculus website User Guide shows an Opus tester verifying the capacity of both, in both discharging and charging cycles.
    https://**************************/d...-x--f0eqo/edit
    page 2.

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    why is that link sanitized ?

    get your docs off google drive and on your web site available for anyone to view
    instead of pounding sand, sheesh

    FFS none of this helps oculus. hey here is proof NO there isn't YOINK no you don't get to see if , but trust us it's there...

    you are in silicon valley and cannot make a simple doc available
    "Designed and developed in "Silicon Valley", the San Francisco Bay Area hotbed of computer/ electronics talent."

    LOL
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    @loopback, A person who isn't a troll would note that the forum filtered out a link, and ask for the doc or a share. But trolls like you are obsessed with making noise as if you don't have anything else going for you in your life so you have to try to put other people down instead.

    Since the whole doc link got trimmed, here's the pic of batteries in testers showing capacity in the charge and discharge cycles.
    This should be a public share.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2L...ew?usp=sharing

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    Wait, douchebag and wanting "trade secrets"???

    Proof of lumens is nothing more than lab certification. ANSI standards. No secrets there.

    I asked for nothing more than that, proof that the light produces and maintains that many lumens for use.

    Interesting you attack Francis (and posted personal info on the thread, Admins dont take kindly to personal info being shared in threads). I have called things into question myself, but realized it was for nothing. Hes a good guy, but has his "preferences". Not everyone will like a single product, thats why options exist. To fit each persons tastes.

    Looking at pics all it does is show difference in beam pattern aimed the same. So he preferred a non-cut off beam pattern for trail use. So what. Most do not prefer cut offs for trail use. Your light probably does AWESOME with road cyclists. Thats where cut offs are needed.

    Do you realize how many lights he has reviewed that have never paid a single dollar for advertising will well after the review if ever??? I can name 5 off the top of my head.

    Man, you have skills at designing lights, but you need to take some anxiety meds or something and chill out. Give yourself a heart attack, your already pushing your luck with health living in California .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikelighting View Post

    Call him and tell him to test Oculus, regardless that a chunk of his advertising revenue comes from brands that would rather not see pictures of my lights in his review, and that he's gotten free testing on one of their labs. His ph# is ********
    *****, fax *****
    That's a jerk move. You shouldn't be posting someone personal information on this site.

    You could have sold a lot of lights on this site, but you are burning some major bridges with your posts.

    Rakc, as a vendor, you really aren't supposed to trashing others people's lights. It's one of the rules of this forum. Get it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    That's a jerk move. You shouldn't be posting someone personal information on this site.

    You could have sold a lot of lights on this site, but you are burning some major bridges with your posts.

    Rakc, as a vendor, you really aren't supposed to trashing others people's lights. It's one of the rules of this forum. Get it together.
    Agreed. Don't bash other vendor products and don't post some else's personal contact info on a public forum. Bad form all around. The thread is now closed.

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