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    NiteFlux Shaming - a Rant

    so i received my second NiteFlux Red Zone 8 today. and it reminded me of everything i hate about NiteFlux - in fact this second one was worse than the first - i was already expecting it this time around though.

    so when you order a Dinotte the shipping is free. with NiteFlux you pay $12 for shipping, so the actual cost of RZ8 ( a single lithium cell self-contained light for which you have to provide your own USB charger ) is not far behind Dinotte 400R ( a light that comes with a blazing fast smart charger and a 2 cell battery ).

    so what do you get for that $12 shipping ? you get a padded envelope. that's right - an ENVELOPE, not even a box. i wish i had done the un"box"ing video, but i just wasn't excited enough about this light to do that, so just take my word for it - it's a yellow paper USPS envelope with some thin bubble wrap padding on the inside.

    inside the envelope there was no packaging material at all ! ( except for some clear plastic bags ) they didn't even bother to put the light into a bubble wrap ! they just tossed the contents inside, with the silicone cap off and with the actual LEDs rubbing right against the contents of the envelope. the envelope was then folded 4X by USPS and stuffed into my mailbox ( my mailbox is only about 3 inches wide ).

    but it gets better !

    the silicone cap on the OTHER side of the light was put on at a wrong angle, and that cap has no lubricant on it and is designed to be permanently installed. however the way it was mounted the "lens" was off to the side and pressing on the LEDs so i had to remove the cap to fix it. by this time i had plenty of experience removing RZ8 caps so i knew i could do it, but with zero vaseline i also knew it would be hard. it took me about 5 minutes of actual pulling to get it off during which time my shoulder that i dislocated 2 years ago in a crash made a very loud pop sound and still hurts a bit now as i type. thanks NiteFlux ! but at least i was able to get it off.

    all the instructions you get is a 2" by 2" red paper card that says to put on vaseline on the cap before installing it. a very good advice. of course no vaseline is included ...

    no USB charger is included either.

    miraculously a mini-USB charging cable is included ! guess how long it is ? 6 feet ? 5 feet ? 3 feet ? 2 feet ? no. it's 12 inches. are you kidding me ?

    let me recap:

    1 - no box, no packaging material for $12 shipping
    2 - no vaseline ( which is required to use the light )
    3 - no charger ( which is required to use the light )
    4 - no instructions ( except for a business card sized paper card )
    5 - impossible to remove cap improperly installed
    6 - charging cable at last 3X times too short

    now, i UNDERSTAND the need for a business to cut costs in order to stay competitive. i am not a Socialist - i understand that nothing is free. however these guys take cost cutting TOO FAR.

    i wish more people would make an issue out of this instead of just rolling over. if nobody every speaks out against these practices they will continue indefinitely.

    and i haven't even touched on the design of the light itself. it is just as inadequate as the package it comes in. it needs to be completely redesigned. the caps should either snap or screw in place - there shouldn't be any force or vaseline involved - and there shouldn't be a possibility to mount the cap at an angle as i received it.

    my old Cateye LD1100 tail light has a very similar overall layout in terms of where the battery is, where the cap is, where the circuit and LEDs are, overall shape etc. however on the Cateye the cap UNSCREWS - WOW ! what a novel idea ! a round cap that UNSCREWS ! even a pepsi bottle has that high-end feature. $150 NiteFlux DOES NOT. the cap is round, but it is held in place only by friction - no thread, no clips - no retaining mechanism AT ALL - you just rip it off, pull it back on.

    i'm sorry but i would rather have a properly designed plastic light than one made out of carbon fiber that barely has any design AT ALL.

    the construction of the light is EXTREMELY simple. i understand that less is more, i understand that simpler design is generally a better design - UP TO A POINT - and these guys have gone WAY PAST that point.

    as Einstein said "everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler" well, NiteFlux apparently only heard the first part of that quote ...

    this is NiteFlux's second version of the light ( the original RZ4 was square out of clear plastic ) and i hope they don't stop at this version. from the 1st version to the 2nd they redesigned the light from the ground up and i hope they redesign it from the ground up again because as far as i am concerned it is still a beta ...
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    Looking forward to everything mounted up on the helmet and reading what you think of your new setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    Looking forward to everything mounted up on the helmet and reading what you think of your new setup.
    i'm not going to get on the road on friday or saturday night due to drunks. some time after that.

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    welp

    I checked out niteflux, this review, other reviews, everything else about it

    and I just today ordered an RZ4.

    will letcha know how it arrives and whatnot

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    got my rz4, wicked happy

    all the rants in the op post are pretty much covered in the website when
    you download the manual, it tells everything needed to know. I have zero
    issues with anything remotely close to what OP is saying in the rant.

    it arrived with small cable, the light, endcaps, and a card saying to get the
    manual online.

    ez to program
    bright as hell
    light compact smart mounting style

    we'll see how the test of time goes. didn't think this would be brighter
    than my dinotte 140L on high, but sure enough, it is.

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    I have to counter this rant though....I know that 'in the world of custom and prototype lights' there is gonna be some things different than buying some toy at the bikeshop. note I am just a bike rider have nothing to do with niteflux at all

    quote and my retorts:
    let me recap:

    1 - no box, no packaging material for $12 shipping

    and this matters why ? less to throw out.
    non-issue. I've purchased $450.00 and $750.00 custom lights
    that were packed with even less material.

    2 - no vaseline ( which is required to use the light )

    not required at all. it is a suggestion only. the end caps come off
    easily enough with some thumb effort and patience. you push up
    to allow air inside the gap, comes right off
    non-issue

    3 - no charger ( which is required to use the light )

    charges off any usb power of 5 volts and 500ma, which nearly everyone
    has somewhere. this is pretty much stated before you buy it.
    non-issue

    4 - no instructions ( except for a business card sized paper card )

    instructions are on web site which is clearly stated before you buy one
    it is about 8 full pages in a PDF file. what more do you want ?
    non-issue

    5 - impossible to remove cap improperly installed

    incorrect. easy to remove cap. use thumbs as instructions say
    if you try to force it, good luck it is not coming off. if you push it easily,
    it comes off.
    non-issue

    6 - charging cable at last 3X times too short
    pretty subjective...non-issue


    it appears you have a need to -rant- in general and it wouldn't
    matter what you purchased, you are gonna rant. the wool was not
    pulled over your eyes before buying the light, nothing was hidden or unexpected. I bought one and have zero complaints. light does
    what it is supposed to do and I am happy with it. Oh yeah because
    of some people posting 'it failed' or 'some problems' I am sure to watch out for issues. but in all fairness, your rant is pretty extreme
    and shows you probably have a reading comprehension issue...or
    just hate things in general because the maker of 'insert product here'
    could not read your mind on and cater to just your whims.

    amirite ? how close am I ? sorry to ruffle your feathers but:
    you rant like this and 'invent problems that do not exist', it it gonna be picked apart. niteflux is a small operation and they provide a neat
    light here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    amirite ?
    you are wrong.

    their light says "best light in the world" or something like that, not "a prototype light that requires patience as well as reading 8 pages of not-included instructions to get to work"

    i have a bunch of lights and this is the hardest to use. i have lights that are hard to install ( spoke lights ) but you install them once, and they are easy to use after that. this light has 4 hour battery life and must be removed, opened, charged, closed, and reinstalled after EVERY ride. i have no other light that is this much hassle.

    do yourself a favor and use the vaseline. after about a month it will be coming off as easily as socks come off, as long as you apply vaseline each time when reinstalling. the vaseline will eventually embed itself into the light somehow. i have two lights and one was bought about a month earlier - one is easy to remove the cap and one is hard - the easy one is the one i had first because it had more vaseline absorb into its body / cap by now.

    but even after the initial month or so of struggle it is still more hassle to use than any other light i have. NO OTHER LIGHT i have requires uninstalling to charge.

    as for RZ4 being brighter than Dinotte 140R - try a 400R Daytime Red.

    watch this video and tell me NiteFlux is brighter than Dinotte and i am using RZ8, not RZ4.



    you can also watch my demo in action, so to speak:

    Bike Lights Demonstration - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    you are wrong.

    their light says "best light in the world" or something like that, not "a prototype light that requires patience as well as reading 8 pages of not-included instructions to get to work"

    i have a bunch of lights and this is the hardest to use. i have lights that are hard to install ( spoke lights ) but you install them once, and they are easy to use after that. this light has 4 hour battery life and must be removed, opened, charged, closed, and reinstalled after EVERY ride. i have no other light that is this much hassle.

    do yourself a favor and use the vaseline. after about a month it will be coming off as easily as socks come off, as long as you apply vaseline each time when reinstalling. the vaseline will eventually embed itself into the light somehow. i have two lights and one was bought about a month earlier - one is easy to remove the cap and one is hard - the easy one is the one i had first because it had more vaseline absorb into its body / cap by now.

    but even after the initial month or so of struggle it is still more hassle to use than any other light i have. NO OTHER LIGHT i have requires uninstalling to charge.

    as for RZ4 being brighter than Dinotte 140R - try a 400R Daytime Red.

    watch this video and tell me NiteFlux is brighter than Dinotte and i am using RZ8, not RZ4.



    you can also watch my demo in action, so to speak:

    Bike Lights Demonstration - YouTube

    the thing that attracts me to the niteflux specifically is the body and end caps.
    I prefer this 'strap mount' over other types, I can see this light in use for nighttime CX practice (ride 4 miles to the practice track at night) or hammering in the woods and it is not going anywhere...doesn't stick out and flop around or wiggle. rock steady on the post.

    a) the niteflux is plenty bright. I don't need to do a lumen war against anything
    else...dinotte 140L was enough for me, but I dislike the piggy 4xAA system and mount

    there are brighter... but at this point, don't need it. rz4 is loads. for me cannot see a reason to go higher other than 'win a lumen war'

    b) for me, I like the 18650-in-a-can of the niteflux. I run a lot of things off 18650's
    so if/when this thing croaks some day I can repair it meself after I dissolve the adhesives, or build my own light off the guts

    c) I am not gonna lube the niteflux at all...thumbs are fine. I agree the open exposed ends will capture dirt, dust, lube...and maybe can be a point of failure after many uses

    d) I agree the niteflux is far too 'beta' for general consumption. exposed PCB ?
    exposed LED dome ? this is odd. need to be somewhat of a hobbyist to appreciate it

    niteflux has a way to go in the product design to make it for the masses


    anywho....it is an oddball to be sure... I just can't rant the same. I accept it's oddball 'hobbyist' feel. again, it is the tube/endcaps/strap I think (for me) trumps the shortcomings. and yes it is daytime bright and gets you noticed from miles away

    you think pulling an endcap off and charging it is a pain ? I really don't understand, the endcap comes of super easy, there is just a right way and wrong way to do it I guess...my 140L (which is what the rz4 is replacing) is a pain....strap light, open pack, pick 4 AA out of the holder, insert 4AA, massage them to make sure they have contact, pray the 9v-style clip doens't pop off as I put the pack back in the bag, find a place to strap the battery bag on...hope potholes and whatnot do not shake the light off the mount...etc...it is a pain to use the 140L

    the dinotte 140L was the first light that changed nightriding for me. cars move aside and give room. the niteflux, being more visible in all conditions, is a win, and that is my story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    my 140L (which is what the rz4 is replacing) is a pain....strap light, open pack, pick 4 AA out of the holder, insert 4AA, massage them to make sure they have contact, pray the 9v-style clip doens't pop off as I put the pack back in the bag, find a place to strap the battery bag on...hope potholes and whatnot do not shake the light off the mount...etc...it is a pain to use the 140L

    the dinotte 140L was the first light that changed nightriding for me. cars move aside and give room. the niteflux, being more visible in all conditions, is a win, and that is my story.
    well my Dinottes are lithium. both the light and the battery stay mounted at all times, i just unplug the cable from the light and plug into charger, then back. takes all of ~ 15 seconds, plus an hour or so to charge ( very fast charging ). the light mount is very secure - tightens with a screwdriver until super tight - but can be removed in 1 second via quick release, and about a dozen mounts are included if you have a dozen bikes.

    you can watch my Dinotte 400R Daytime Red unboxing here:


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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    the thing that attracts me to the niteflux specifically is the body and end caps.
    I prefer this 'strap mount' over other types, I can see this light in use for nighttime CX practice (ride 4 miles to the practice track at night) or hammering in the woods and it is not going anywhere...doesn't stick out and flop around or wiggle. rock steady on the post.

    a) the niteflux is plenty bright. I don't need to do a lumen war against anything
    else...dinotte 140L was enough for me, but I dislike the piggy 4xAA system and mount

    there are brighter... but at this point, don't need it. rz4 is loads. for me cannot see a reason to go higher other than 'win a lumen war'

    b) for me, I like the 18650-in-a-can of the niteflux. I run a lot of things off 18650's
    so if/when this thing croaks some day I can repair it meself after I dissolve the adhesives, or build my own light off the guts

    c) I am not gonna lube the niteflux at all...thumbs are fine. I agree the open exposed ends will capture dirt, dust, lube...and maybe can be a point of failure after many uses

    d) I agree the niteflux is far too 'beta' for general consumption. exposed PCB ?
    exposed LED dome ? this is odd. need to be somewhat of a hobbyist to appreciate it

    niteflux has a way to go in the product design to make it for the masses


    anywho....it is an oddball to be sure... I just can't rant the same. I accept it's oddball 'hobbyist' feel. again, it is the tube/endcaps/strap I think (for me) trumps the shortcomings. and yes it is daytime bright and gets you noticed from miles away

    you think pulling an endcap off and charging it is a pain ? I really don't understand, the endcap comes of super easy, there is just a right way and wrong way to do it I guess...my 140L (which is what the rz4 is replacing) is a pain....strap light, open pack, pick 4 AA out of the holder, insert 4AA, massage them to make sure they have contact, pray the 9v-style clip doens't pop off as I put the pack back in the bag, find a place to strap the battery bag on...hope potholes and whatnot do not shake the light off the mount...etc...it is a pain to use the 140L

    the dinotte 140L was the first light that changed nightriding for me. cars move aside and give room. the niteflux, being more visible in all conditions, is a win, and that is my story.


    Agree, top to bottom.

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