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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Thanks for the heads up. Think I'll pull the trigger on this for that price.

    Anyone have some thoughts on how this Duo might compare to the MS 856 (872 clone in different housing).

    I run the 856 on the bars with a Xera on the helmet with a 2 cell. Maybe the Duo would be better on the helmet? Thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    The Duo looks almost like a Gloworm X2 clone. More than likely it should have a similar beam pattern depending on what optic they chose to go with. I've yet to try my GW on the helmet ( as it is my go to bar lamp ). The thing about lamps that use optics ( vs. reflectors ) is that there is always going to be the issue of center throw intensity vs. total beam spread. As I see it reflectors seem to be able to deliver better center ( spot ) throw. This doesn't mean that optics can't work, it just means you need the right optic and enough emitters to compensate for lack of a true hot spot. Whither the Duo is able to do this is anyone's guess.

    Looks like I'm gonna have to test the Gloworm on the helmet just for curiosities sake.
    How could it be a Gloworm clone when the gloworm is a Lupine Piko clone? Just sayin'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Helmet!! not a fan of double xmls on the bars been there done that.
    Could you expand on that a bit about the double XML's on the bar (so I don't have to dig through your posts ) FWIW I almost never run my 856 over the #2 setting.

    Honestly I was thinking helmet myself IF it throws further than the Xera with the spot (which I have not tried yet but will tonight). Jim from Action LED said the Duo will have a slightly wider beam than the Xera which is fine as long as it throws further. Even with a 2 cell it should be fine with run time and I also have a spare 2 cell I can carry if needed.
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    Honestly I was thinking helmet myself IF it throws further than the Xera with the spot (which I have not tried yet but will tonight). Jim from Action LED said the Duo will have a slightly wider beam than the Xera which is fine as long as it throws further. Even with a 2 cell it should be fine with run time and I also have a spare 2 cell I can carry if needed.[/QUOTE]

    If you get on the Gemini website and click on "Explore" @ the top of the page, and then click on "Light tests and beam shots" it shows beamshots of all Gemini's lights and optic options. I'm not sure you'll get more throw from the Due than the spot Xera, but to me it looks braoder and more useful at max throw. If your interested in more throw let Gemini know. If we show enough interest it might help convince Gemini to offer a spot optic option on this light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    If you get on the Gemini website and click on "Explore" @ the top of the page, and then click on "Light tests and beam shots" it shows beamshots of all Gemini's lights and optic options. I'm not sure you'll get more throw from the Due than the spot Xera, but to me it looks braoder and more useful at max throw. If your interested in more throw let Gemini know. If we show enough interest it might help convince Gemini to offer a spot optic option on this light.
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    Mole, that's a good page to look at and how they laid it out to compare. Thanks

    Looks nice with a bit more throw and certainly better in the 840 setting vs the 850 setting of the Xera. Decisions decisions...

    Here's the link for others to look at.
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    Got one on order and will give a basic review when I get it. rumors of a spot lens being considered
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Got one on order and will give a basic review when I get it. rumors of a spot lens being considered
    Ordered one as well for the $116 price (just the light head and o-rings).
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    "AVAILABLE OCT. 8th! Pre-orders being accepted
    For got to factor in National Day holiday all week in China. Projected arrival now Oct. 15th"

    Aaarrrggggh! Toss in a spot lens and we'll call it even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    "AVAILABLE OCT. 8th! Pre-orders being accepted
    For got to factor in National Day holiday all week in China. Projected arrival now Oct. 15th"

    Aaarrrggggh! Toss in a spot lens and we'll call it even.
    Gemini always does this. Considering how well they do everything else I'm not going to complain. Like you I'll just say Aaarrrgggh and be happy when I get my light. I've been switching between the Xera and Olympia for a helmet light but I think this light will better suit my needs. Besides I already own (2) Titans, (1) Xera, and (2) Olympia's and I need to complete the set.
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    I'm going to be getting the Duo with the 2-cell battery kit. I'm planning to mount it on the helmet, paired with my MJ-872 on the bars. Run time is a little low with the 2-cell (1.5 hours on 100%), but it should suffice as I generally only run the bar light at 50% for climbing. My main motivation is to get the whole setup on the helmet so I don't have to worry about cords anymore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    "AVAILABLE OCT. 8th! Pre-orders being accepted
    For got to factor in National Day holiday all week in China. Projected arrival now Oct. 15th"

    Aaarrrggggh! Toss in a spot lens and we'll call it even.
    We may get them a little sooner...."IN STOCK AND READY FOR IMMEDIATE SHIPMENT."

    Does immediate mean today?

    Yes, I'm impatient as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    We may get them a little sooner...."IN STOCK AND READY FOR IMMEDIATE SHIPMENT."

    Does immediate mean today?

    Yes, I'm impatient as always.
    That's good news Ive been counting down the days
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    We may get them a little sooner...."IN STOCK AND READY FOR IMMEDIATE SHIPMENT."

    Does immediate mean today?

    Yes, I'm impatient as always.
    Yes, that means Today

    They are out for delivery with DHL so I'm not sure what time but we will work late to make sure they are out the door before we go home.
    (I'm getting a new bike today too so that's a real sacrifice putting off setting it up for a first ride.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    ...(I'm getting a new bike today too so that's a real sacrifice putting off setting it up for a first ride.)
    Thanks for "taking one for the team"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Yes, that means Today

    They are out for delivery with DHL so I'm not sure what time but we will work late to make sure they are out the door before we go home.
    (I'm getting a new bike today too so that's a real sacrifice putting off setting it up for a first ride.)
    Yippee...a nice surprise for sure

    Jim, what bike did you get?


    I'm going to be getting the Duo with the 2-cell battery kit. I'm planning to mount it on the helmet, paired with my MJ-872 on the bars. Run time is a little low with the 2-cell (1.5 hours on 100%), but it should suffice as I generally only run the bar light at 50% for climbing. My main motivation is to get the whole setup on the helmet so I don't have to worry about cords anymore!
    Cool, we'll be running the same setup (well, I have the 856 version of the 872). Love the little 2 cell and don't really notice it at all on the back of the helmet. Not concerned about run time with the Duo but I do have a spare 2 cell for longer rides or if it becomes an issue which I doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Yippee...a nice surprise for sure

    Jim, what bike did you get?
    Got a refresh on my road bike since my Trek Madone got swiped out of my garage.
    At least my Home-Owners insurance covered it.

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    True to his word...

    Shipping confirmation for my Duo received!

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    Just got an email today with the tracking number

    Lets hope it gets here monday so I can charge it up for the Tuesday Nights ride.

    I can't tell you how excited I am

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    One on the way!!!! I think paired with the Olyimpia that my search may be over...
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    Anyone received their Duo and tried it? I gots to know !!!

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    I'd like to know how well it works with a geomangear pack. My Xera's didn't co-operate with the voltage cutoff and would shut down or flash after just have the pack was used. Maybe the Duo doesn't do that?
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    Just unwrapped mine dang this thing is small
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    Quote Originally Posted by TCW View Post
    Anyone received their Duo and tried it? I gots to know !!!
    Possibly tonight. Heading to my PO Box now to hopefully find it waiting.
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    Its light enough you can move it to the front of your helmet this thing is SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tonight's ride will be the true test
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    That looks pretty sweet. I would get one but I'm not buying any light stuff until I finish building up a frame and fork I recently bought (SC Heckler/RS Revelation). Maybe I'll get next year's duo.

    I'm anxious to hear how it works. I love my Xera and Olympia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I'd like to know how well it works with a geomangear pack. My Xera's didn't co-operate with the voltage cutoff and would shut down or flash after just have the pack was used. Maybe the Duo doesn't do that?
    I wouldn't get my hopes up. I had 2 geoman 6.0 batteries that did the same thing with my Xera and Olympia. You can use up more of the batteries capacity if you set the power output of the light down but I don't think you'll ever use all the battery capacity like you can with a magicshine lighthead.

    USPS tracking info says I should get my Duo today. Time permitting I'll take it out with my Xera/Olympia and see how they all compare.
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    Hmmm, well let us know Mr. Mole. I might try the glow worm because of that issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I wouldn't get my hopes up. I had 2 geoman 6.0 batteries that did the same thing with my Xera and Olympia. You can use up more of the batteries capacity if you set the power output of the light down but I don't think you'll ever use all the battery capacity like you can with a magicshine lighthead.

    USPS tracking info says I should get my Duo today. Time permitting I'll take it out with my Xera/Olympia and see how they all compare.
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    Ive been running my Olympia on Geoman 6.0s and haven't experienced any issues. But my rides are usually around hour and a half. and only run it on high for downhills . I'm going to do a fan rundown test right now just to check....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Ive been running my Olympia on Geoman 6.0s and haven't experienced any issues. But my rides are usually around hour and a half. and only run it on high for downhills . I'm going to do a fan rundown test right now just to check....
    I looked up one of my old posts on the Olympia thread where I got 1.5 hours of runtime on high which would explain why you never noticed any issues on your rides. I hooked up an 808e lighthead to the same battery after the Olympia shut down and it ran another hour and fourty minutes. I think doing a rundown test on your equipment is an excellent idea just to know where you stand. You'd probably be able to get home on a lower power level but it might ruin your downhill run.
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    Ok did a 3 hour rundown test with Geoman 6.0 batterys had to stop to recharge so I could use the batteries tonight.
    Olympia on high at 100 min started flashing red and powered dimmed I shut it down and unplugged and replugged to reset and was able to get another 60 minutes at 60% setting which is more than enough light for most trails. at 3 hours it was still running at its dimmed setting.
    Duo at 3 hours it was still running strong on high. battery meter was showing red.
    I have noticed with Geomans batteries no power meter on any of my lights were accurate so I'm sure you could easily get another half hour out of it...
    so if you want to use Geoman batteries with an Olympia when it dims down just unplug to reset and run it at no more than half power to get the most out of these batteries...,
    and I see zero issues using them with the DUO



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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I hooked up an 808e lighthead to the same battery after the Olympia shut down and it ran another hour and fourty minutes.
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    The ticket seems to be not to overload the circuit when it starts to get low after reseting it if I turned it to high it would trigger a dim down and redflash but at 60% it was fine:
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    That's actually good news - you have issues with the same lights we had but not with the Duo. I'm tempted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Hmmm, well let us know Mr. Mole. I might try the glow worm because of that issue.
    If I get my light today I want to take it out for a test. I'll be glad to do a rundown test with the Goeman battery for you but I hope tomorrow is OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    If I get my light today I want to take it out for a test. I'll be glad to do a rundown test with the Goeman battery for you but I hope tomorrow is OK.
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    Used mine tonight for a quick ride. It's REAL nice. Used the headband. Spot is good....not super concentrated, but not washed out either. I think it will work great for me. Thanks to Jim at Action!

    Edit: Oh yeah, I also used the headband mount to finish mowing the yard tonight. LOL.
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    No time for a ride tonight, but I got to play a bit in the woods with the DUO and my XERA (spot lens).

    My first impression is the DUO has a bit more throw than the XERA with a wider beam and not much light wasted on side spill.

    I had hoped it would work well for me as either a helmet light with a MS-872 on the bar or as a bar light with the XERA on my helmet.

    I think it will be perfect used in either application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Hmmm, well let us know Mr. Mole. I might try the glow worm because of that issue.
    The issue is not with the light but with the battery pack that is limited in the current it can deliver. As the battery wears down the voltage drops and the current goes up. Geomangear used an overabundance of caution when specking the pack and pretty much limited them to the lights they were selling at the time. Newer high output lights top out these packs when they are far from there full capacity.
    Here is a chart showing the behavior of the Geomangear 4.5Ah battery under different loads. I'm currently doing the same test on a 6.0Ah one.
    The current draw on high of each of the lights we sell (at 100% and 7.4v) can be seen HERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    The issue is not with the light but with the battery pack that is limited in the current it can deliver. As the battery wears down the voltage drops and the current goes up. Geomangear used an overabundance of caution when specking the pack and pretty much limited them to the lights they were selling at the time. Newer high output lights top out these packs when they are far from there full capacity.
    Here is a chart showing the behavior of the Geomangear 4.5Ah battery under different loads. I'm currently doing the same test on a 6.0Ah one.
    The current draw on high of each of the lights we sell (at 100% and 7.4v) can be seen HERE
    You are 100 percent correct Jim. Its the battery not the light....Geomans battery while well built they are way too sensitive remember a lot of chargers wouldn't work with them. I myself have 6 of the 6.0s and depending on what light I'm using, I have to remember what the actual runtimes are rather than rely on the battery meters.
    I really dig this Duo its finally getting dark here in So Cal so time to take it for a spin...
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    So if I'm understanding the charts correctly, the XERA, DUO and even the Olympia should use most of the Geoman battery's capacity while the MJ-872 can only be expected to get use of about 70% of the capacity.

    Or do I need additional education? Thanks for the info Jim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcttr View Post
    So if I'm understanding the charts correctly, the XERA, DUO and even the Olympia should use most of the Geoman battery's capacity while the MJ-872 can only be expected to get about 70% of the capacity.

    I do I need additional education? Thanks for the info Jim.
    The graph is capacity at constant current. What I really need is constant power which would be close the what a light pulls. In actual use the current rises as the voltage goes down. I think temperature plays a role in these pack cutting out also. (Heat created by the current)
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    Got it...my interpretation is a little off. Thanks

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    O.K. I wasn't feeling too hot after dinner so I took a quick cruise out to the orange groves to test this puppy out on some long paths with trees on both sides that gave me a good Idea how much punch it has. first impression Was Nice Really Nice!
    I paired it with my Olympia on the bars and I was afraid that the Olympia was going to drown it out, NOT! Opposite this thing has pretty good punch, I had to keep turning my Olympia on and off to make sure it was on high,, this light can throw. Its a perfect combo for the Olympia. Its going to take me a while to get used to not having a hotspot like a 808e, I took the Duo and a 808e out and pointed them both at some tree's 200 yards away the duo seemed to have more punch but with a much smoother wider pattern.
    While it looks like it is going to be a great light as is I still yearn for some spot lens.
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    Had mine out tonight for approx 1.5 hours. Part of that was in the rain (no problems BTW) which just sucks up light but I like it....allot. Didn't mess with any programming, just put it on the helmet right out of the box. I have a MS 856 on the bars.

    Xera on steroids is how I'd best describe it (I have 2 of those). Smooth beam pattern, bit wider than the Xera and a little more throw. Punch like Rakuman mentioned is a good description. I had it running on my 2 cell and kept it in the medium setting almost the entire ride. I'd cycle it to low at stops. Near the end I ran it at high and yowza, that was really impressive. Most of the rides I do are about 2 hours so I may bump the medium setting from 60% to 80% where it's supposed to run for 2 hours on the 2 cell. I'll do a run test to check. Button was still green at rides end but it stays green from 100% down to 20% before changing to amber and then red at 10%.

    Nice little light and another winner I think for Gemini. Should be out again tomorrow night for another test.
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    Man-- im stuck between the duo and the gloworm... Is there a remote switch that can be used for the duo like the gloworm has? I like the idea of using a switch that is away from the light head so the head doesnt get bumped out of alignment each time you want to change light intensity.. The switch for the duo is that little white button in the back-- right?..

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    Not to cast any bad light on the Duo (pardon the pun), but while I'm impressed with the light itself, I'm not impressed with the helmet mount. It was a bugger to get strapped onto my helmet and get it cinched down tight. I have no idea why they didn't put a loop on the strap and reverse the end of the velcro strap so that it could be cinched tight (FAIL). I ended up cutting a large portion of the velcro strap off to get it to fit onto my Specialized helmet. Other than that issue, the light is really nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herrhaus View Post
    Not to cast any bad light on the Duo (pardon the pun), but while I'm impressed with the light itself, I'm not impressed with the helmet mount. It was a bugger to get strapped onto my helmet and get it cinched down tight. I have no idea why they didn't put a loop on the strap and reverse the end of the velcro strap so that it could be cinched tight (FAIL). I ended up cutting a large portion of the velcro strap off to get it to fit onto my Specialized helmet. Other than that issue, the light is really nice.
    herrhaus, the way it's set up you cinch down each side separately. I find it's best to pull the pads out of the helmet first because the straps want to stick to the pads. Pass the straps through a vent and then back up through the other slot on the mount. Then pull both sides tight together and stick them down.
    Though it shows a MS helmet mount these instructions illustrate the idea. HELMET MOUNT INST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herrhaus View Post
    ...I ended up cutting a large portion of the velcro strap off...
    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    ...Though it shows a MS helmet mount these instructions illustrate the idea. HELMET MOUNT INST.
    Opps! You may have cut a little too quickly

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    Thanks Jim. I did remove the pads inside the helmet. I fussed and fiddled with it last night for 1/2 hour before I ended up cutting the straps down (I cut about 2" off each side)...it's on there now...and it's tight. So, I'm all set. While I may be an engineer....for some reason, I couldn't figure that out last night. Oh well. Like I said, it's there now and it's tight, so I'm all set. And, the straps don't block the vents either.

    Thursday, I'm planning a 2+ hour night ride, so, it will get tested out at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    The issue is not with the light but with the battery pack that is limited in the current it can deliver. As the battery wears down the voltage drops and the current goes up. Geomangear used an overabundance of caution when specking the pack and pretty much limited them to the lights they were selling at the time. Newer high output lights top out these packs when they are far from there full capacity.
    Here is a chart showing the behavior of the Geomangear 4.5Ah battery under different loads. I'm currently doing the same test on a 6.0Ah one.
    The current draw on high of each of the lights we sell (at 100% and 7.4v) can be seen HERE
    Thanks for that info! I always figured the runtime on my 872 was due to the higher cutoff built into those Geoman packs. So if I'm reading the charts right, the 872 pulls 2.2A and cuts off with about 1000mah still in the pack? I'm actually using the 6.0Ah pack with the 872, but I'm assuming it's the same circuitry.

    To get back on topic, how does the Duo compare in throw distance to the MJ808e?
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