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    Cat man...what's the difference between that place in your link and the ones on Ebay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Cat man...what's the difference between that place in your link and the ones on Ebay?
    ...That is the $54,000.00 question.

    I wish I could answer that with some certainty. The truth is I can't. I know that ebay has a lot of Chinese vendors. Even so not all Chinese are alike. My CAt gut tells me the dedicated Chinese websites are better. Most of the complaints of bad batteries came from people who bought from vendors on ebay. The other Chinese websites have been around a long time. I've bought from DX, K/D, CNquality and the Outdoor Store and have had few complaints. Most of those purchases were for torches and related torch stuff though.

    Anyway, FWIW...don't take my word for it that one is better than the other. I could always be wrong. Really, you can only put so much faith in CAt gut intuition anyway.
    I just know I bought a tri-clone from an ebay vendor and the battery sucked. Next time I would buy somewhere else but that's just how I do things. There is the possibility though that you still might get a sucky battery.

    You's lays you's money down and you's take your chances.

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    Interesting that this vendor lists the lumens as 1200. At least they aren't lying about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    IF you want a bit DIY, this might be a solution
    Are there detailed instructions available for doing this mod? I own soldering equipment and am willing to give it a shot, but having no prior experience I need a bit of guidance. The Li-Po batteries sound like a good affordable solution, but what about charging them? Others have mentioned that a specific hobby charger is needed, which adds another layer of cost. Again, these tri-clone lights seem like a great bargain, but not if it requires spending double the cost of the light head on a battery to power it.

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    Hope Kaidioman battery

    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Ok, I won't do that again But have others any experience with the 3XML battery from DX or KD?
    My 8.4 Capacity: 12000mA Kaidomain battery (kaidomain.com/Product/Details.S020905) just arrived to replace the dead battery from my ebay 3XLM clone. I'll try and test it tonight and see how it long it runs. I sure expect better performance as it weighs in at 390g, exactly twice the the original's 180g wt.
    If some folks could recommend a good charger that allows me to see what is going on, I would appreciate it.

    FYI, found a new use for the head light this past weekend, extreme sledding after midnight.
    It didn't solve all the problems, but at least I saw the car before I hit it

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    You can buy from CNQG but you will still lack on things you mentioned here and still have to DIY some small improvements. And next you still want probably more run time than provides the original battery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I remember reading posts of people who bought lights from DX and KD but not the Tri-Clone light specifically. Still even if you buy the Tri-Clone from DX, KD ( or other Chinese site ) while I expect the battery to be better it still will not give you significantly more run time. Maybe 1.5hr on high at best. Nope, to run a 3 XM-L light you need more capacity, at least 5200mAh. That would get you almost two hours on high. Better would be something over 6000mAh.

    The real screw with these Tri-clone lamps is the lack of a low battery warning. At least lamps with blinking red leds when the battery gets low give you something to think about. They ( the warning leds ) won't work the same in cold weather but they're better than nothing.

    If I was going to buy another Tri-Clone lamp I likely would buy from a place like CNqualitygoods.

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    No there isn't any detailed instruction. Just take apart the former pack and rescue the protection board. Next you have to solder the the connector (probably JST-XH) to the board (be aware of the polarity of the board and connector colors). The light can be powered with the balance connector. Yes for Lipo you need hobby charger, but that is about $16 and you can go with this and you are able to charge nicd/nimh/liion/lipo/life cells up to 6S - 25.6V. But you need 2S since the pack is 7.4/8.4V

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop View Post
    Are there detailed instructions available for doing this mod? I own soldering equipment and am willing to give it a shot, but having no prior experience I need a bit of guidance. The Li-Po batteries sound like a good affordable solution, but what about charging them? Others have mentioned that a specific hobby charger is needed, which adds another layer of cost. Again, these tri-clone lights seem like a great bargain, but not if it requires spending double the cost of the light head on a battery to power it.

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    I really would like to know how it performs since I think it will be about 8000mAh. Please post some measurements/chage/discharge info

    Quote Originally Posted by Skylinemtb View Post
    My 8.4 Capacity: 12000mA Kaidomain battery (kaidomain.com/Product/Details.S020905) just arrived to replace the dead battery from my ebay 3XLM clone. I'll try and test it tonight and see how it long it runs. I sure expect better performance as it weighs in at 390g, exactly twice the the original's 180g wt.
    If some folks could recommend a good charger that allows me to see what is going on, I would appreciate it.

    FYI, found a new use for the head light this past weekend, extreme sledding after midnight.
    It didn't solve all the problems, but at least I saw the car before I hit it

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    Holy crap....they're giving them away now....
    2in1 4200LUMEN CREE 3 T6 LED Bicycle Light Headlamp Head Torch Battery

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    I think the seller is doing something smart by offering a low starting bid instead of BIN, in order to generate interest; the winning bid could easily end up at or above the $43 current eBay MSRP.

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    Yeah...it's already up to $41.
    But...I got a smoking deal on the Hi-Max U2 light when they did this.
    I'm sure the prices will start dropping on the 3x when U2 3x's hit the clone market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylinemtb View Post
    My 8.4 Capacity: 12000mA Kaidomain battery (kaidomain.com/Product/Details.S020905) just arrived to replace the dead battery from my ebay 3XLM clone. I'll try and test it tonight and see how it long it runs. I sure expect better performance as it weighs in at 390g, exactly twice the the original's 180g wt.
    If some folks could recommend a good charger that allows me to see what is going on, I would appreciate it.

    FYI, found a new use for the head light this past weekend, extreme sledding after midnight.
    It didn't solve all the problems, but at least I saw the car before I hit it
    How long did it take to get your battery from Kaidomain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    How long did it take to get your battery from Kaidomain?
    I know you didn't ask me the question but the stuff I got from Kaidomain usually took about 16 days ( as long as the items are in stock ).

    On a side note; The Chinese New Year occurs on Feb. 10th. When that happens the whole country goes on holiday for about two weeks. If you place an order from a Chinese web site just make sure it is at least a week before the New Year so it doesn't get delayed.

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    Thanks....
    Placed the orders last week...so the waiting game is on.
    And hoping the old Niterider lasts a few more rides...

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    And BTW...thanks for all your input here.....some good stuff

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    KD battery

    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    How long did it take to get your battery from Kaidomain?
    Ordered Dec 27, arrived Jan 14th.

    My first test on High was 1hr 55 min. but I didn't charge it before running. I ended up having to use it on a bunch of stuff, so I'll get back to this as soon as I need to charge it again.

    MK - thanks for the charger reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylinemtb View Post
    Ordered Dec 27, arrived Jan 14th.

    My first test on High was 1hr 55 min. but I didn't charge it before running. I ended up having to use it on a bunch of stuff, so I'll get back to this as soon as I need to charge it again.

    MK - thanks for the charger reference.
    Well damn...not bad for a partially charged battery. Usually batteries are shipped with about a 30%-40% charge. Give us the full charge low down when you get the chance.

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    It depends, normally at 3.8V/cell is about 50% - also a storage voltage by li-ion/li-po to prohibit the oxidation of electrodes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Well damn...not bad for a partially charged battery. Usually batteries are shipped with about a 30%-40% charge. Give us the full charge low down when you get the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Well damn...not bad for a partially charged battery. Usually batteries are shipped with about a 30%-40% charge. Give us the full charge low down when you get the chance.
    Will do Cat. Tried to reply to PM but I don't have enough posts yet. Anyway will get on that as soon as I have a few hours to kill and charge it full. Have been using the light everyday and haven't even been riding yet!

    Anybody care if I test it on Medium instead of High first time around. I hardly ever use it on high as it's not noticeably brighter, and I figure it just gets hotter, especially testing. Maybe I'll use the fan this time.

    Let me know.

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    And what do you think about something like that?

    4 x XM-L with 6x18650 battery pack - $53

    search for: 4 x Cree XM-L T6 4-Mode Bicycle Light With Charger and 6 x 18650 Battery Pack kaidomain

    Maybe somebody tested it? I'm leaning to it as my friend told me that 4 leds (2 x 2XM-L) is better than 3xXM-L because the different type of the driver (if I translate correctly) which has to be used for 3 leds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylinemtb View Post
    Ordered Dec 27, arrived Jan 14th.

    My first test on High was 1hr 55 min. but I didn't charge it before running. I ended up having to use it on a bunch of stuff, so I'll get back to this as soon as I need to charge it again.

    MK - thanks for the charger reference.
    In for the real test. Thanks

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    I just received my 3X that I ordered from Ebayer securityingstore.
    It was shipped from a California address...and ordered on the 9th..got it on the 18th.
    Just a quick test in the dark cellar....I can notice the 3 different levels...that may change outdoors.
    Compared with my old Niterider HID Moab/ Canibal ( the switch is screwed up....so I don't know which of 3 power level it's on)...the 3x washes out the HID in the 2 higher modes.
    Going to charge it up and compare it outside and get a run time later.

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    Got my 4*26650 battery pack for this light today. I'm glad it came with a bag with a frame strap. Wont get to ride u til next week. Bike is in the shop for a new freewheel.

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    here's some pics from the 26650 pack I got from LTbox, same connector plug on the other end






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    Do you know what it weighs?
    I wonder if my battery from Kaidomain will have a bag. I guess I can use the old Niterider bag...and have room for spare stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Do you know what it weighs?
    I wonder if my battery from Kaidomain will have a bag. I guess I can use the old Niterider bag...and have room for spare stuff...
    sorry no scales, from a website I found the weight of the 18650 is 45grams and the 26650 is 80 grams per cell.


    18650 cel x 4 = 180 grams
    26650 cell x 4= 320 grams

    + wrap and bag

    Probably tad over 1lb for both light head and large battery pack

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    Got my 4*26650 battery pack for this light today. I'm glad it came with a bag with a frame strap. Wont get to ride u til next week. Bike is in the shop for a new freewheel.
    Glad to hear it came with a bag. No mention of that in the ad unless I missed it. Good to hear it uses a compatible MS plug. I will edit my battery thread accordingly. Can't wait for the tested run time on full power.

    I will say it sure does look much larger than the standard 18650 4-cells but at least you get some real usable run time as a trade off for the extra weight.

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    Finally got a ride in with the 3X I got from Ebay/securityingstore.
    Ran it on high for 1:19 and had it on low/med for another 26 minutes. It was low 20s out and had the battery on the stem.
    I was going to just leave it on and see how long until it died....but I figure I'll wait for the big battery from Kaidomain...in case I damage the stock battery.
    Very happy with a sub 50 dollar light

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    Well...I got the Kadiomain battery..
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905
    Not impressed by the Kaidomain battery on the first try.
    Charged it with with the charger that came with my 3x XML lamp ( maybe this is the problem?)
    Got about 1.5 hours on high with the 3x lamp. It did sit in the car on a cold night...and the next evening....it only lasted another 30 minutes or so. It just shut off( luckily, I brought the stock battery with me...as well as a helmet light)
    So about 2 hours on high.
    I am going to order a MS charger from Action LED and give it another go.I might even order a battery from them while I'm at it...

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    The lighthead (ie without battery) is now available at DX for USD 30.60
    3 x Cree XM-L T6 2400lm 4-Mode White Bicycle Headlamp - Black + Silver - Worldwide Free Shipping - DX


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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    The lighthead (ie without battery) is now available at DX for USD 30.60
    3 x Cree XM-L T6 2400lm 4-Mode White Bicycle Headlamp - Black + Silver - Worldwide Free Shipping - DX


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    Interesting that D/X is offering these "minus" the battery. Maybe they were having too many complaints about batteries with, "too little run time".

    On a side note; I just received a very nice "hard shell" version of Xeccon's 6600mAh ( 6-cell ) Li-ion battery. I'll be hooking it up to the Tri-clone and doing a run-test very shortly. Be watching in the "Battery Thread".

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    Update on my tri clone from securityingstore:
    I noticed a tiny red light inside the power switch during a the ride last night. About a minute later the switch turned all red....and the light died about 2 minutes later.
    Not much warning.....but it is a great light for the money.

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    Leonard at Xeccon was kind enough to offer up two hard shell 6600mAh ( 6-cell ) Li-ion batterys to the first 2 people who replied and would do a review. Right now I only have a 1x XM-L t6 light so I figured I would order one of these light head only lights to give the battery a good test. Hope I get it soon.


    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    The lighthead (ie without battery) is now available at DX for USD 30.60
    3 x Cree XM-L T6 2400lm 4-Mode White Bicycle Headlamp - Black + Silver - Worldwide Free Shipping - DX


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    Reply where?

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    The battery thread, but they are already done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbrewer View Post
    Leonard at Xeccon was kind enough to offer up two hard shell 6600mAh ( 6-cell ) Li-ion batterys to the first 2 people who replied and would do a review. Right now I only have a 1x XM-L t6 light so I figured I would order one of these light head only lights to give the battery a good test. Hope I get it soon.
    I have that light. The light itself is very good...especially for the price.
    I think you are going to be happy with it and the Xeccon battery.....which Catmando said gets 3 hours of run time.
    Only the battery life has been an issue. The stock was good for about 1.5 hours...and the Kaidomain is good for about 2 hours. This was all on high output...and I left the light on when we'd stop to regroup. I could have gotten longer run times if I ran it at medium....but I paid for 3 leds and I'm gonna use them.
    Can't wait to test the Xeccon
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    Has anyone had one of these fail yet? Mine has been going strong almost daily for almost 3 months now.

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    So far so good with my 3xXML. Knock on wood.

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    I've had mine for a few months.
    Plenty of ride time....and have been using it to test batteries.
    I usually have a big fan on it while testing, and have it outside in sub 30F temps....but I lost power for about an hour.
    The light head was really hot....too hot to touch....but still kept running.

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    So mine works still as well. There have been some issues tho but expected. The battery is a joke but I use a Geoman 6.0 which runs it on high 2 hours approx 2 1/2 on medium or there abouts. The light head snapped off the mount as I was taking it off the handle bars one day. It's plastic and not the best but I super glued it back together.

    As far as heat, mine has never gotten hot. Maybe I got a good one. I was thinking I should buy one of the 4 or 5 LED models but I don't like the idea of a step down due to heat. It'll most assuredly step down when you don't want it to. And then you'll have to wait till it cools off which I know will be a PITA. The 3 LED just keeps burning which is fine. If I ever do burn it out I'll just pay 30 for another. Big deal.

    I think the way to buy this set up is w/ a Xeccon 6.6 battery and also buy a single XML clone for 35 bucks and you'll have 2 batteries for the single clone and the 6.6 for the 3 up. The 2 will be more than enough light and very affordable. 30 for the 3 up. 50 for the 6.6 battery and about 35 for the single clone, 115 total.

    If you want to go this route. Other more expensive lights are just much better, better beam patterns, etc, etc, etc and on and on. You know the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    So mine works still as well. There have been some issues tho but expected. The battery is a joke but I use a Geoman 6.0 which runs it on high 2 hours approx 2 1/2 on medium or there abouts. The light head snapped off the mount as I was taking it off the handle bars one day. It's plastic and not the best but I super glued it back together.

    As far as heat, mine has never gotten hot. Maybe I got a good one. I was thinking I should buy one of the 4 or 5 LED models but I don't like the idea of a step down due to heat. It'll most assuredly step down when you don't want it to. And then you'll have to wait till it cools off which I know will be a PITA. The 3 LED just keeps burning which is fine. If I ever do burn it out I'll just pay 30 for another. Big deal.

    I think the way to buy this set up is w/ a Xeccon 6.6 battery and also buy a single XML clone for 35 bucks and you'll have 2 batteries for the single clone and the 6.6 for the 3 up. The 2 will be more than enough light and very affordable. 30 for the 3 up. 50 for the 6.6 battery and about 35 for the single clone, 115 total.

    If you want to go this route. Other more expensive lights are just much better, better beam patterns, etc, etc, etc and on and on. You know the deal.

    MB
    Well said MB. There are only two issues that are of concern when using the Tri-clone light head; one, you have to cycle through "flash" and off when cycling through modes. A minor nuisance but it can get tiring if you change modes a lot. The second and more significant problem is the lack of "low battery" warning LED system ( at least with the one I have ). Mine has no led indicators. As such you get no warning at all when you run out of battery juice. This is sad because once that happens you might actually have another 10-15 minutes of run time left to use on the single led setting but because the battery cut-out via the battery PCB you can't restart the lamp. Now if you had a flashing red led warning you of an impending cut-off you could power down to get the most out of your battery before switching to your back-up. ( Not to mention being caught by surprise if your lamp suddenly goes out... )

    If someone has a link to a tri-clone that does have LED indicators that would be nice.

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    The trails around here are pretty tough in the day but these night rides sound sweet!

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    A couple of new takes on the triple xml on dx.com

    Plenty of heatsinking plus a fancy looking design:
    HI-MAX LZ-U3 3 x Cree XM-L U3 2500lm 4-Mode White Bicycle Light - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme Only

    Interesting optics on the lower light, possibly better beam shape and cheap:
    LW-JD10 3 x Cree XM-L T6 1500lm 4-Mode White Bike Bicycle Headlamp - Black + Silver (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme Only

    I have no idea if these are worth buying.

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    I think, it is better to try 4 or 5 XML cheapos :-) But that HI-MAX seems to dissipate heat better than the second LW-JD10. IMHO all 3 XMLs from DX are about the same luminosity. The other side of these lights is that you need to improve them yourself (add low batt indication, change modes, perhaps UI, ...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    It seems that KD sells a light with similar optics, but with other LEDs, one XM-l + two Q5 and a higher price: 53,34 USD
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020922


    I have no idea if these are worth buying.
    At this time of year,
    it was the shortest night of the year last night and as it was a clear sky it didn't get really dark at all here in Stockholm,
    I don't really care right now.
    Perhaps in August, hopefully it will be available with XM-L2 LEDs then.

    But I will save the DX-link, just in case..


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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    A couple of new takes on the triple xml on dx.com

    Plenty of heatsinking plus a fancy looking design:
    HI-MAX LZ-U3 3 x Cree XM-L U3 2500lm 4-Mode White Bicycle Light - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme Only....
    This looks interesting. I like the look of the HI-MAX Tri. It looks as though they are copying some of things that Xeccon does ( such as the use of red anodizing to add a little flare ).

    Also interesting that it is using the XM-L "U3" emitters. When I come home tonight ( from a sweet "Super" full moon ride ) I'll send an PM off to the D/X rep and see if this thing offers "LED voltage indicators". If it does, even with the typical lousy UI it might worth the extra money. And speaking of UI, no mention if these are using the typical 1-2-3 LED type mode set-up ( one extra LED for each mode) or if these are "all leds on full time ) (?)....I'll ask that question too.

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    Thanks for getting that info, Cat-man-do. The descriptions on dx leave a lot to be desired.

    Hakan, that does look like the same light. I never understood what the point of mixing emitters like that. I've seen that a lot on ebay.

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    I do not like the UI of the KD light: 1 x XM-L T6 > 2 x Q5 > 2 x Q5 Strobe

    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    It seems that KD sells a light with similar optics, but with other LEDs, one XM-l + two Q5 and a higher price: 53,34 USD
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020922
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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Thanks for getting that info, Cat-man-do. The descriptions on dx leave a lot to be desired....
    D/X rep is looking into it. He will have to get one to look at it. Might take a couple days.

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    New clone 3 x XML T-6 49.88 shipped

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    This looks interesting. I like the look of the HI-MAX Tri. It looks as though they are copying some of things that Xeccon does ( such as the use of red anodizing to add a little flare ).

    Also interesting that it is using the XM-L "U3" emitters. When I come home tonight ( from a sweet "Super" full moon ride ) I'll send an PM off to the D/X rep and see if this thing offers "LED voltage indicators". If it does, even with the typical lousy UI it might worth the extra money. And speaking of UI, no mention if these are using the typical 1-2-3 LED type mode set-up ( one extra LED for each mode) or if these are "all leds on full time ) (?)....I'll ask that question too.
    Looking at the pictures on dx.com, I would say it is the typical UI - 1, 2 or 3 LEDs at a time.
    It does look very good in the pictures, though. Lets wait for the confirmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    This looks interesting. I like the look of the HI-MAX Tri. It looks as though they are copying some of things that Xeccon does ( such as the use of red anodizing to add a little flare ).

    Also interesting that it is using the XM-L "U3" emitters. When I come home tonight ( from a sweet "Super" full moon ride ) I'll send an PM off to the D/X rep and see if this thing offers "LED voltage indicators". If it does, even with the typical lousy UI it might worth the extra money. And speaking of UI, no mention if these are using the typical 1-2-3 LED type mode set-up ( one extra LED for each mode) or if these are "all leds on full time ) (?)....I'll ask that question too.
    Can anyone comment on what the light output and amperage on the Medium setting? I'm mainly interested in knowing what the run time on Medium would be. Trying to weigh this versus the 2 LED models, since I'll likely only be using two LEDs anyway. Also whether I should buy the lights and battery separately? I swear I have been reading all of these threads recently and still have a ton of questions, sigh. I really just want a good bar light with a wide pattern and a reasonable output (1000+ lumens) that can run for at least 2 hours. I greatly appreciate any advice on the matter.

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    You can replace the lens to get wide pattern - there are lot of replacement glass lenses on DX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Can anyone comment on what the light output and amperage on the Medium setting? I'm mainly interested in knowing what the run time on Medium would be. Trying to weigh this versus the 2 LED models, since I'll likely only be using two LEDs anyway. Also whether I should buy the lights and battery separately? I swear I have been reading all of these threads recently and still have a ton of questions, sigh. I really just want a good bar light with a wide pattern and a reasonable output (1000+ lumens) that can run for at least 2 hours. I greatly appreciate any advice on the matter.
    Steel, This HI-MAX Tri is a new lamp so not much user feedback as yet. Still waiting on details from D/X as to special features. Regardless if you buy one I doubt you'll be disappointed with the output. I have one of the original tri-clones and the output ( and beam pattern ) on those were very nice. Since the HI MAX tri is using a brighter XM-L bin ( U3 ) emitter they "should" be very bright.

    Batteries will always be a question mark but with my last D/X lamp ( Ultrafire quad XM-L ) the supplied battery was able to power the lamp two hours on high which ( considering where the battery came from ) is not too bad. I figure if you get a good battery from D/X it should get the HI MAX tri somewhere in the 2hr 45 min. to 3hr range when run on medium. This assuming you get a battery as good as the one I got.

    If you decide to go with a duel emitter set-up if it were me I'd go with one of the Fasttech Solorstorm X-2's. They are using the XM-L U2 emitter and are suppose to have pretty good throw as well. Any multi-emitter lamp you buy should have a beam pattern wide enough to work well coming off the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Steel, This HI-MAX Tri is a new lamp so not much user feedback as yet. Still waiting on details from D/X as to special features. Regardless if you buy one I doubt you'll be disappointed with the output. I have one of the original tri-clones and the output ( and beam pattern ) on those were very nice. Since the HI MAX tri is using a brighter XM-L bin ( U3 ) emitter they "should" be very bright.

    Batteries will always be a question mark but with my last D/X lamp ( Ultrafire quad XM-L ) the supplied battery was able to power the lamp two hours on high which ( considering where the battery came from ) is not too bad. I figure if you get a good battery from D/X it should get the HI MAX tri somewhere in the 2hr 45 min. to 3hr range when run on medium. This assuming you get a battery as good as the one I got.

    If you decide to go with a duel emitter set-up if it were me I'd go with one of the Fasttech Solorstorm X-2's. They are using the XM-L U2 emitter and are suppose to have pretty good throw as well. Any multi-emitter lamp you buy should have a beam pattern wide enough to work well coming off the bars.
    Cat,

    Very much appreciate your feedback. The X-2 was one of the one's I certainly had in mind. I will move the discussion to the Solarstorm X-2 thread to keep this thread for derailing into the dual emitter territory.

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    What are the thoughts on this light?http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S021404

    Is the "XM-L2 U2" a misprint? I'm interested in an L2-U2 setup, but I haven't even seen clones for a 2x yet with that emitter bin.

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    I'm no expert on the different leds, but I think you can tell the difference between an xm-l versus xm-l2 by the color around the led. Green versus white:

    xm-l
    Cree Component XLamp XM-L LEDs
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    Cree XLamp XM-L2 LEDs

    The l2 also come in different temperature colors, but I don't know much about that. The do make an xm-l2 u2
    https://illuminationsupply.com/bare-...00k-p-279.html

    All I know is that the xm-l2 is relatively new product.

    The light doesn't seem to have a lot of surface area, no fins, to dissipate heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    What are the thoughts on this light?http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S021404

    Is the "XM-L2 U2" a misprint? I'm interested in an L2-U2 setup, but I haven't even seen clones for a 2x yet with that emitter bin.
    Wow. I just took a look at these over on Kaidomain. Kaidomain has a couple versions. One had some reviews of the "stepless modes" that I found VERY INTERESTING.
    The ad's list three modes but also say, "stepless" which is a bit confusing. One of the reviewers explained how it worked. According to him each mode is infinitely programmable ( lowest to highest ). I assume once you have them set that they hold their setting. If this is the case I would LOVE TO HAVE ONE!. YES, IF THESE ARE XM-L2'S EVEN BETTER.

    Dang it. I just ordered an SS X2 last night. I'd love to try one of these "Stepless" set-ups out.

    ( steel, About the Hi-Max we talked about earlier....operates by activating one LED at a time for mode changes, ...no LED voltage indicators. D/X asked if I wanted to review the lamp but I told them no. Not enough features to make it worth my time. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Wow. I just took a look at these over on Kaidomain. Kaidomain has a couple versions. One had some reviews of the "stepless modes" that I found VERY INTERESTING.
    The ad's list three modes but also say, "stepless" which is a bit confusing. One of the reviewers explained how it worked. According to him each mode is infinitely programmable ( lowest to highest ). I assume once you have them set that they hold their setting. If this is the case I would LOVE TO HAVE ONE!. YES, IF THESE ARE XM-L2'S EVEN BETTER.

    Dang it. I just ordered an SS X2 last night. I'd love to try one of these "Stepless" set-ups out.

    ( steel, About the Hi-Max we talked about earlier....operates by activating one LED at a time for mode changes, ...no LED voltage indicators. D/X asked if I wanted to review the lamp but I told them no. Not enough features to make it worth my time. )
    Cat,

    That Hi-Max lamp is sold-out at the moment. Like you though, I am very much interested in the "stepless" feature of this other lamp as well. I'm just worried about the design and the lack of info on the site about this light: circuitry? run time? brand?!? Price seems a little too good to be true, so there is that as well.

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    That programmable mode thing sound awesome!

    I think sister light heat problems though.
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/Details.S020710

    The one reviewer said
    Thermal bath from pill to case is quite poor, just a small lip where the pill rests, no thermal grease used on this surface.
    Sounds like the D99!

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    Hmmmm, overall these lights have heat "problems". My skyray S6 does not heat that much during ride. The light you gave in link does not have much aluminium fins to dissipate heat - it looks smooth overall :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Cat,

    That Hi-Max lamp is sold-out at the moment. Like you though, I am very much interested in the "stepless" feature of this other lamp as well. I'm just worried about the design and the lack of info on the site about this light: circuitry? run time? brand?!? Price seems a little too good to be true, so there is that as well.
    Like all of the tri-clone set-ups heat will always be an issue. If this "other" lamp is truly running XM-L2's the lamp should be brighter than typical tri-clones and the L2' emitters are better at handling heat. With Chinese made lamps you only expect so much. Run time will likely not be so good but sometimes you get lucky and get a better battery. If you get two hours on high you made out.

    The "Stepless" set-up is the real ( bang-for-the-buck ) money issue. If it works like I think it does than ( IMO ) it is worth laying the money down and rolling the dice.

    I'll be sending Kaidomain an e-mail about this lamp. I have some questions to ask that only they can answer. Hopefully they will give me the answers I want to hear. At least I know the questions to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Like all of the tri-clone set-ups heat will always be an issue. If this "other" lamp is truly running XM-L2's the lamp should be brighter than typical tri-clones and the L2' emitters are better at handling heat. With Chinese made lamps you only expect so much. Run time will likely not be so good but sometimes you get lucky and get a better battery. If you get two hours on high you made out.

    The "Stepless" set-up is the real ( bang-for-the-buck ) money issue. If it works like I think it does than ( IMO ) it is worth laying the money down and rolling the dice.

    I'll be sending Kaidomain an e-mail about this lamp. I have some questions to ask that only they can answer. Hopefully they will give me the answers I want to hear. At least I know the questions to ask.
    Thanks, Cat. Please forward along all information. Night riding season is coming up quickly and I still have to get my 2nd light situation straightened out. I'm 1/1 with Kaidomain so I'll take a (calculated) risk at this point.

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    Hi-Max triple for $36 (not sure about the shipping charges)

    climbing lighting head lamp bike light_Headlamp_HI-MAXMALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Hi-Max triple for $36 (not sure about the shipping charges)

    climbing lighting head lamp bike light_Headlamp_HI-MAXMALL
    Good link for the Hi-Max triple! Lots of info on the website as well. It does operate like the other tri-clones though with separate LED illumination for each mode. Good price and with XM-L U3 emitters- a big plus. Two hours run time on high per ad. No voltage/ run time indicators. .

    @steel....I'll relay any information I get. Unfortunately I won't get an answer til next week likely as I'm writing the e-mail right now. Anyway in the mean time look over the Chinese sites. Lot's of new stuff coming out. D/X released a triple version of the SS X2 that looks interesting as well. I have questions about that lamp as well.

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    They wrote me back very quickly. Answers to my questions from Kaidomain:

    1. Is it an actual XM-L2-U2 LED?
    it is XM-L2 U2 LED.

    2. What is the current draw on each mode?
    It is a stepless dimming bike light, the current for highest mode is 3A, for lowest mode is 700mA

    3. How long is the run time on each mode?
    Run time for highest mode is 1.5h, for lowest mode is 3hrs

    I feel like I could live with 1.5 hr run-time on High with a 'stepless' option. Gonna sleep on it and maybe order tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    2. What is the current draw on each mode?
    It is a stepless dimming bike light, the current for highest mode is 3A, for lowest mode is 700mA

    3. How long is the run time on each mode?
    Run time for highest mode is 1.5h, for lowest mode is 3hrs

    Those numbers don't make sense to me. If the minimum current setting is ~25% of maximum then shouldn't the run time on low be about 4X the runtime on high? Do these numbers, if correct, imply that the light is very much less efficient at the low setting than the high setting?

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    For what it's worth, I have small review of such light, similar to my 7-LED review posted earlier. If anyone is interested, I can post it (either here or as separate tread, whatever is better).

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    For what it's worth, I have small review of such light, similar to my 7-LED review posted earlier. If anyone is interested, I can post it (either here or as separate tread, whatever is better).
    If it is as extensive as your last review, I'd say use a separate thread. Please post a direct link to the one you tested. Look forward to reading it. Thanks!

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    Well, here it is:
    Triple XM-L light review

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Hi-Max triple for $36 (not sure about the shipping charges)

    climbing lighting head lamp bike light_Headlamp_HI-MAXMALL
    I have Hi-Max's single U2 light( which is excellent quality). Looks like the same battery...which is a good one.
    It will power my 3x clone for about 2 hours.

    I think I might try the Kaidomain stepless. Although my original 3x is working fine...it's never a bad idea to have a spare.

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    I just placed my order for the Kaidomain 3 x XM-L2-U2 w/ stepless feature. I have their email stating 1.5 hours on High so if I get less than that or the light appears (significantly) under-powered I will take issue. Look forward to see what this unit can do. It will be going on the bar. http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S021404

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    I just placed my order for the Kaidomain 3 x XM-L2-U2 w/ stepless feature. I have their email stating 1.5 hours on High so if I get less than that or the light appears (significantly) under-powered I will take issue. Look forward to see what this unit can do. It will be going on the bar. http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S021404
    Hey Steel, I just looked this thread up again. Sorry, I never did get around to getting in touch with K/D as I got busy and forgot about it. I still have questions so perhaps I'll still send them an email, eventually.

    I really do want to know how useful the "stepless" feature will be. If they're telling you the lowest output is 700ma that would still be pretty bright considering that all LEDs are lit ( I assume ). Truthfully though there is no way to know how this will translate once you start messing with the stepless feature. I hope it works great. I'll be watching hoping for the best. Looking forward to your review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Hey Steel, I just looked this thread up again. Sorry, I never did get around to getting in touch with K/D as I got busy and forgot about it. I still have questions so perhaps I'll still send them an email, eventually.

    I really do want to know how useful the "stepless" feature will be. If they're telling you the lowest output is 700ma that would still be pretty bright considering that all LEDs are lit ( I assume ). Truthfully though there is no way to know how this will translate once you start messing with the stepless feature. I hope it works great. I'll be watching hoping for the best. Looking forward to your review.
    Thanks Cat. Currently waiting out the shipping. Hoping to see it by the end of next week. I'll get some reviews up as they are available. Looking fwd to your reviews of the SSX2. I still may order one with the intention of tearing it down and learning more about LED light. I can always give it to my gf (materials science PhD) who is starting to get into these lights herself. She is drawn in by their power like a moth to the flame. We gush during night rides when I put my 2X in flash mode and light up street signs 250m+ away. {Yes, I am way too spoiled at the moment}

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    New and very nice looking triple on DX
    NITEFIRE NFC-31 Cree XM-L U2 2200lm 4-Mode Cold White Headlamp for Bicycle - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    Strobe mode is hidden. It has high, low and medium modes.The battery indicator is similar to a solarstorm x2. It also comes with a blue lens attachment. I'm not sure what that's for.

    There's also a quattro for a few more bucks.
    NITEFIRE NFC-41 4 x Cree XM-L U2 2600lm 4-Mode White Bicycle Light Headlamp - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

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    I got my delivery attempt notice today. Trying to schedule pickup at the post office for tomorrow, but I'm having a difficult time getting my request in online.

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    Looks like they discovered battery indication - but i like that UI on SSX2 - I think it is the best since clones arrived on the market. The lens is fixed by screws - hope the lens does not get cracked after some time. The back side with indication seems to be pretty easy to take apart if you need to fix something inside The next observation is the design of the reflector(s) - this one seems to be without the classic multi-emitter reflector pattern since there is a separate reflector for each led.

    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    New and very nice looking triple on DX
    NITEFIRE NFC-31 Cree XM-L U2 2200lm 4-Mode Cold White Headlamp for Bicycle - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    Strobe mode is hidden. It has high, low and medium modes.The battery indicator is similar to a solarstorm x2. It also comes with a blue lens attachment. I'm not sure what that's for.

    There's also a quattro for a few more bucks.
    NITEFIRE NFC-41 4 x Cree XM-L U2 2600lm 4-Mode White Bicycle Light Headlamp - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

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    Picked up my new 3x light from the post office today. I ordered http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S021404, and what I received was that, but it is labeled as a Manta Ray D003: Manta Ray D003 3800lm 3xCREE XML2 Led Bicycle Light Free Shipping-in Bicycle Light from Sports & Entertainment on Aliexpress.com. Mine of course does have the 'stepless' feature though.

    Just did some comparisons in my basement to my other unit: http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S021521, which is now $5 less than I paid for it a couple months ago. My very first impression was that the 3x unit was not much brighter than the 2x, but looking closely I can see that the light is much more spread out on the 3x than the 2x. There is a smaller hot spot on the 3x unit, which I wish didn't exist because it kind of throws you off as to the brightness of the rest of the beam. This should make a great bar light, but the beam pattern might be considered ugly by others (not the smoothest transition and the very outer beam is kind of hex-shaped).

    The flash mode is hidden (as is the off mode). The flash is slow and comes in at 8 flashes per 5 seconds. I should also note the the length of each flash is very brief (don't have a way to accurately measure this). This is very important to me because on the occasional road rides I use flash a lot (even during the day) and this one should be much more palatable than the normal strobe action I use on the 2x.

    The 'stepless' feature is AWESOME and very easy to use. You can use it as a stand alone feature or program one of the 3 main modes. Accessing is very easy as you just hold in the UI button until it accesses the 'stepless mode' (you will know you are in stepless because it goes to the 10% setting and increases by 10% every time you press the UI button). If you want to program one of the 3 main modes, simply go to that mode and then hold the UI button until stepless is accessed (the UI will flash and the output will go to 10%). There are 10 stepless settings to choose from, so just go to the stepless setting you want and then hold the UI button until it cycles through and comes back to that main mode (you'll know you are there because now the UI will only cycle through the 3 main modes. Do that for all three main modes and you are set. I put mine at 40%, 70% and 100%.

    Keep in mind this is an out of the box and indoor basement examination. I'll update this as soon as I get it on the trail. Light head weighs 180 grams and battery (with case) is 213 grams. Charging battery now, so I'll get some run times in as well. Not 100% convinced that this is L2 & U2, so I'll have to look into that as well.

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    L2 is easy. U2, you'll never know. XML has a green base and XML-2 is white. There is no visual marking to indicate what bin the emitter is. Frankly I'd be amazed if the cheap Chinese lights were really using the premium bins.

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    Thanks. Run test is not going so well. The light keeps powering down into an emergency mode for 1 minute for every 6-7 minutes of run time on high (started at minute 20). Perhaps the unit is getting overheated? It feels warm, but it's not too hot where I can't place my hand on the unit continually if I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Thanks. Run test is not going so well. The light keeps powering down into an emergency mode for 1 minute for every 6-7 minutes of run time on high (started at minute 20). Perhaps the unit is getting overheated? It feels warm, but it's not too hot where I can't place my hand on the unit continually if I wanted.
    Do you have it in front of a fan?

    Thanks for the info about this light. That UI is probably the best I've ever heard of for a cheap light. Programmable modes, hidden strobe, hidden off, this things has it all. So the hot spot is super tight? Is about the same as a 808E? I'm more of a fan of the larger hot spots.

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    steelhmr....do all 3 LEDs stay lit in every mode?
    Or is it 1 LED for low/ 2 for Med ? 3 for high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Do you have it in front of a fan?

    Thanks for the info about this light. That UI is probably the best I've ever heard of for a cheap light. Programmable modes, hidden strobe, hidden off, this things has it all. So the hot spot is super tight? Is about the same as a 808E? I'm more of a fan of the larger hot spots.
    I had it about 3 feet from a fan running on low. I turned the fan on to medium for a period, but it didn't seem to make a difference. Eventually the light seemed to settle on 5 minutes @100% followed by 1 minute @ 10@ for the last hour. My run time review is below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    steelhmr....do all 3 LEDs stay lit in every mode?
    Or is it 1 LED for low/ 2 for Med ? 3 for high?
    All 3 LEDs are used for every mode, including flash.

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    Run Test 1:

    Temp: 70 deg with high humidity.
    Fan: 3 feet from unit run mostly on low
    Light: Run on high for entirety of test

    As stated above, after the 20 minute mark of the test, the unit would power down to 10% (?) for 1 minute and then go back into 100%. This happened every 7 minutes for a few cycles, then happened every 5 minutes for the last hour or so of the test (before the unit went into emergency battery mode. Here are the results.

    0-20 minutes: Run at 100%
    21-115 minutes: Unit would power down by an average of 1 minute for every 7 minutes.
    115-160 minutes: Unit ran at 10% (?) while the UI button flashed in red.

    Based on the run, it seems like it would have run for 1:40 at 100% and an additional 40 minutes at 10%. The battery is at least respectable in my opinion for powering a 3x unit. Just gotta find out why the unit kept powering down. I can try another test with the fan right up against the unit, but that seems a little unrealistic. I want to see how long I can run it on high in the trails before it cuts out.

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    If the unit seems cold or warm from the outside, perhaps there is a poor heat transfer to the alloy case (also that could be the cause of the mode switching in order to lower the heat emission). No matter if you have a fan running or not, it does not influence the result. The light should be taken apart and checked for build quality ... loosen screws,thermal paste, etc But the UI seems the best so far for a cheapo chinese light

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    So far I like what I'm hearing. Make sure you use a fan. Some lamps will power down when they over heat.

    I doubt the hotspot is as tight as an 808E. Shining around inside the house things look small. My bet is that it is just like the other triple reflector lamps. The one I have has a very nice beam pattern with a nice mix of flood and throw. The UI on these though are the deal maker.

    edit: Sorry I missed the part about the fan. Could be the thermal setting is too sensitive. That might be a problem if the high mode is used too long. Could be a deal killer for some people. The next question is; "Will this happen in mid-mode"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    If the unit seems cold or warm from the outside, perhaps there is a poor heat transfer to the alloy case (also that could be the cause of the mode switching in order to lower the heat emission). No matter if you have a fan running or not, it does not influence the result. The light should be taken apart and checked for build quality ... loosen screws,thermal paste, etc But the UI seems the best so far for a cheapo chinese light
    Maybe this will be the light that I do that on. Can you post a direct link to a quality thermal paste? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    So far I like what I'm hearing. Make sure you use a fan. Some lamps will power down when they over heat.

    I doubt the hotspot is as tight as an 808E. Shining around inside the house things look small. My bet is that it is just like the other triple reflector lamps. The one I have has a very nice beam pattern with a nice mix of flood and throw. The UI on these though are the deal maker.

    edit: Sorry I missed the part about the fan. Could be the thermal setting is too sensitive. That might be a problem if the high mode is used too long. Could be a deal killer for some people. The next question is; "Will this happen in mid-mode"?
    It's hard to describe. Yes, I really do need to get this to the trail to see how it looks against a real terrain. For a real general overview, I would say that the beam has 3 sections: 1) small semi-triangular hotspot, 2) wide flood, and 3) outer beam. There is a weird halo against the wall between the wide flood and outer beam. The flood is still very bright. It became more obvious how bright it was while comparing it to the 2x.

    I will try some shorter tests with a combo of stronger fan and also other modes. In reality, I imagine myself to be using mostly Med and Low settings. High will only be for downhill or fast riding. Need to know that it will last longer than 5 minutes though.

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    In my country Arctic Silver or AC MX are good ones I use AC MX-2, as it lasts quite long - couple of years on a computer processor & cooler unit with 95W+ heat emission.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Maybe this will be the light that I do that on. Can you post a direct link to a quality thermal paste? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    ...I will try some shorter tests with a combo of stronger fan and also other modes. In reality, I imagine myself to be using mostly Med and Low settings. High will only be for downhill or fast riding. Need to know that it will last longer than 5 minutes though.
    I hear ya. No way do you want to be doing a high speed 20-30min mountain descent with lamp on high and have it power down to 10%. That could spell big time trouble.

    Another way to handle this might be to by-pass the thermal regulation circuit. The only problem is you might not be able to access it without completely disassembling the lamp. If so it might be more trouble than it's worth but then again your DIY skills might be better than mine.

    Too bad you didn't get the original model sold by K/D. I figure they ran out and had to out-source a similar lamp. There was only one review on the K/D website with the original lamp. That person made no mention of there being any thermal issues. If you check that review that person left an e-mail address. You might write them to see if they had any problems with the lamp powering down. If they did maybe they had some way around the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I hear ya. No way do you want to be doing a high speed 20-30min mountain descent with lamp on high and have it power down to 10%. That could spell big time trouble.

    Another way to handle this might be to by-pass the thermal regulation circuit. The only problem is you might not be able to access it without completely disassembling the lamp. If so it might be more trouble than it's worth but then again your DIY skills might be better than mine.

    Too bad you didn't get the original model sold by K/D. I figure they ran out and had to out-source a similar lamp. There was only one review on the K/D website with the original lamp. That person made no mention of there being any thermal issues. If you check that review that person left an e-mail address. You might write them to see if they had any problems with the lamp powering down. If they did maybe they had some way around the issue.
    Thanks Cat. Unfortunately, I don't have any DIY electronics skills, but I'm willing and eager to learn. My gf has a skill set that could lend itself towards figuring out a solution as well. My first course of action though is to email the company.

    I believe this to be the exact same case as the pic in the K/D website, just with Manta Ray D003 written on the back. The only difference seems to be the UI with the 'stepless' feature. I had asked the company about there being no name or model associated with the light, and their reply confirmed that.

    I will try some other tests including running it at 70% and measure how long it takes or if it even does cut out. I'll try to get it out on the trails for a quick demo tomorrow evening if I can, but my preference is still to ride during daylight if possible so let's see how much time/energy I have afterward.

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    Trying it outside, it may not step down.
    I tried a few lights earlier this year. I had one that would step down with a fan on it at room temp. But riding outside at 70 degrees on slow technical trails....it never stepped down. I would turn it off when stopped because it would get very hot on high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    ... High will only be for downhill or fast riding. Need to know that it will last longer than 5 minutes though.
    steel, Here are some comments added by the reviewer who responded to my e-mail;

    I've found this lamp to be brilliant. I wouldn't say that the dimming is stepless, but having 10 modes to choose 3 from is amazing, and a sensible flash instead of strobe is good too. There's not a lot of flicker in it when dimmed either. I"ve had mine overheat and dim once. (was using it during a powercut, resting on a bed and it dimmed after 15 mins when it got too hot,) but out on the trails, it gets slightly warm to touch, but I usually dim it to minimum power when I stop moving for more than a couple of minutes. Beam angle is perfect for riding.., (I usually use this light on my bars and a spot on my head, but the spot probably isn't really necessary.

    When I first got the light, where the cable exits the body, too much insulation had been stripped, so I pulled it apart, trimmed and re-soldered the wires-they may have been fine without this operation, but I felt happier with a bit more protection at the pinch point where they exit the housing. There was plenty of thermal compound between the stars and the disc behind them, but none between the disc and casing, or around the retaining ring, and not a very large contact area between the disc and case. I smeared a bunch of goop all over those mating surfaces before re-assembling the light, so I can't comment on whether I'd've had any problems if I hadn't.

    So far my riding has been winter in Nelson, New Zealand.., so ~+/- 5degrees celcius (23-41 Fahrenheit) and I usually only flick it onto full power for the downhills, I tend to climb firebreaks/forest roads by starlight, and slow tracks with it at ~50% so I guess it could have problems if you were to ride quite slowly with it on full, in summer, with a tail wind but it really doesn't seem to get too warm at all.

    So.., after all that typing, I'd have to say if you can pull it apart and check on the thermal paste, I'd recommend it to anyone. (only criticism is I'd like a slightly warmer colour temperature, - I did notice that there was a very similar looking unit for $5 more with XML U2s in it.., whether it's the same or not , I can't be sure.., that could be still better... but I'm thrilled to bits with my one.anyway.
    additional comments;

    Feel free to quote me. basically with the extra thermal paste, I'm pretty confident it would be very unlikely to overheat as long as your moving. (the only time I had it dim was indoors, on a blanket, and the case was very warm to hot to touch, and I've never felt more than a slight warmth while riding)

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    So far my riding has been winter in Nelson, New Zealand.., so ~+/- 5degrees celcius (23-41 Fahrenheit) and I usually only flick it onto full power for the downhills, I tend to climb firebreaks/forest roads by starlight, and slow tracks with it at ~50% so I guess it could have problems if you were to ride quite slowly with it on full, in summer, with a tail wind but it really doesn't seem to get too warm at all.
    Well I probably do more night riding when it's over 70F, so if this light is overheating indoors I don't think it will stand a chance outdoors. I can't see any light having problems at 41 F or below.

    If the only problem is that it doesn't have enough thermal compound, then that's something that is easily fixable. I think the bigger issue is the transfer from the led board to the outside case. Any chance you could have a look at this steelhmr?

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    Cat,

    Thanks for passing that along. My intent was to do a quick ride again tonight to test the light, but I just did a ride with a couple of pro riders and all I feel like doing now is eating & sleeping

    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Well I probably do more night riding when it's over 70F, so if this light is overheating indoors I don't think it will stand a chance outdoors. I can't see any light having problems at 41 F or below.

    If the only problem is that it doesn't have enough thermal compound, then that's something that is easily fixable. I think the bigger issue is the transfer from the led board to the outside case. Any chance you could have a look at this steelhmr?
    I will try to do this at some point. I am really not even sure where to start though? There is only one screw and that is to hold the mount onto the body. Could the lens cap just screw off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Could the lens cap just screw off?
    Yes, give that a try. That's how my lights work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Yes, give that a try. That's how my lights work.
    Okay, I'll try that later tonight after I make my final decision to ride or not. Need a shower and more groceries first though.

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    Okay, I took some pics. Let me know your thoughts. Also, I noticed "Cree XML" written on them. Does this indicate no XM-L2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Okay, I took some pics. Let me know your thoughts. Also, I noticed "Cree XML" written on them. Does this indicate no XM-L2? ]
    They are XM-L2s. Compare them to this pic
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbRevolution View Post
    They are XM-L2s. Compare them to this pic
    Thanks. I thought they were as much since I only noticed two bonding wires.

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