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    Okay.

    Here are my real world run time results with the 3x XML Tri-Clone. The battery is a claimed 6400 mah, but it's not. I ran a number of tests on a discharge cycle I can only pull 2100 - 2300 milliamps from it. My light came from a seller on ebay called rabbitword88.

    Low - 3 Hours 43 Minutes, on recharge the battery took 2145 millamps
    Med - 1 Hour 16 Minutes, on recharge the battery took 2199 millamps
    High - 1 Hour 5 Minutes, on recharge the battery took 2149 millamps

    At least I got good run time on low!

    So, like others that have posted, this light with a better battery would be awesome! Even an actual 4400 mah battery would be a huge improvement.
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    Unless something can be done with resetting the battery pack, I will definitely be contacting the seller for a replacement.

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    ... and if we just ...

    So, is there any difference in the 4400mah and 6400mah batteries. Im going to but ont to mod and will ditch the batteries in favour of somthing else. Probably 8 cells.

    The 4400 lights are a bit cheaper so I will probably grab it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machine4321 View Post
    So, is there any difference in the 4400mah and 6400mah batteries.
    Probably not. Check out the testresults of Mr. Grumpy and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machine4321 View Post
    So, is there any difference in the 4400mah and 6400mah batteries. Im going to but ont to mod and will ditch the batteries in favour of somthing else. Probably 8 cells.

    The 4400 lights are a bit cheaper so I will probably grab it.
    Look, just buy a battery from one of the Vendors here on MTB Review. You'll get a better quality battery and some warranty time. Even the standard 4400mAh MagicShine batteries will fair better than this E-smay crap. A good 4400mAh battery should get you about 1.5hr on high ( when used with the TRI-clone ). My 5200mAh ( Bikeray ) batteries get about 2hrs on high.

    Since this lamp does not offer any advance warning cutoff features I suggest if you choose to upgrade your battery that you do the following: Buy at least one good 5200mAh battery. That will get you at least 2hrs on high. Then buy a second 2 cell battery for back-up and carry it in your pack on every ride. This way you can't accidentally run out of battery juice.

    Now you might think; Why not just buy a 6 cell (?). Yeah, you could do that but you still would not have any light after the pack runs dry. Now if you have another lamp as back-up and trust it to get you out of the woods than fine, get a six cell.

    The advantage of doing it the way I said is that once the 4-cell ( good battery ) goes out you have two choices; You can use a "jumper to restart the 4-cell" by hooking it up to the two cell. *Once restarted it should give you at least another 15 minutes on low. ( * Note, this will not work with the supplied battery. On the other hand did work with my 4 cell Bikeray battery )
    ...OR....just hook up the TRI-clone directly to the two cell and get another 45-50 minutes on medium. Simply put once you switch to the 2-cell you use the power setting that you know will get you home. If you know you have at least another hour to ride then you set the light on low and you should have no problems.

    It will cost more to buy two separate batteries but would be worth it to know that you won't run out of power for your main lamp. Now like I said before, if you have a back-up light or torch then you don't need the extra battery.

    ** I'll test my two cell MagicShine battery with the TRI-clone and let you know how long it will run.

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    Ok, real world test on the trail this morning.
    3800Lm 3X CREE XM-L T6 LED LED Headlight Headlamp Bicycle Bike Light with a claimed 4400mAh battery
    and a Mini Cree Mini CREE LED XML XM-L T6 LED 1600Lm Bicycle Light Bike Lamp HeadLight headLamp with a claimed 6400mAh battery

    Both of these battery packs are exactly the same size and weight so I'm possitive the Mini battery is not 6400......oh well......I'll send a note to the seller

    The 3x was on my bars and I ran it on Medium for the first 10 minutes before realizing I only needed the low setting, I then ran it for the next 2.5 hours on the trail and back, then the last 10 minutes were on strobe for my commute into work......it still had life left before I unplugged and came to the desk. The light spreads really well and works great on the bars!! Really lights up whats all around you when on low, I love it......and the life is good! Oh, this light gets HOT. be careful!

    The mini was attached to my helmet and worked really well to help with upcoming corners, bumps and whatever........I've left in running and it's been 3.5 hours and it's still going strong..........I could have easily ridden with just the Mini, however this was more off a XC trail with a few tech sections, if I was doing anything crazier I'd want to have both lights. I'll "edit" when the Mini quits.

    Overall, both batteries are interchangable, so I'm happy with my purchases, for $70 I got two lights with batteries that seem good enough.......I'll be watching the long term life of these and see. Thanks for all the reviews and testing guys/gals!! Much appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by digthemlows View Post
    then the last 10 minutes were on strobe for my commute into work
    What time of day you used strobe while on road? Wasn't it causing instant seasures for oncoming riders/drivers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobale View Post
    What time of day you used strobe while on road? Wasn't it causing instant seasures for oncoming riders/drivers?
    it was light out with fog............and yeah, I pointed it down...........not sure why that feature was even put on the light, except maybe "fog" ........ and to create an instant "clubbing" experience.........just add music
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    Quote Originally Posted by digthemlows View Post
    it was light out with fog............and yeah, I pointed it down...........not sure why that feature was even put on the light, except maybe "fog" ........ and to create an instant "clubbing" experience.........just add music
    It's one of those things that the Chinese still haven't gotten yet. The strobe function for bike lights needs to be more "low frequency" ( more of a flash and less of a strobe ).

    I wouldn't recommend usng a strobe full time but certainly it can be very useful when used for brief periods going through busy intersections.

    I use a mini torch at work for when I have to get out of the car and cross a busy road ( at night ). With the mini torch on strobe ( pointing down at my feet ) the reaction by the approaching traffic is undeniable. Every car slows down. Works like a charm. Interestingly, last night I forgot to bring it. Boy what a difference!

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    As an FYI I emailed the seller of the Mini stating that it is not the claimed 6400mAh battery and that I'm dissapointed in not receiving what I ordered.........they responded quickly stating they would send out a new battery right away.......we'll see if it's another 4400mAh? I guess I'll have two as a worse case scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digthemlows View Post
    As an FYI I emailed the seller of the Mini stating that it is not the claimed 6400mAh battery and that I'm dissapointed in not receiving what I ordered.........they responded quickly stating they would send out a new battery right away.......we'll see if it's another 4400mAh? I guess I'll have two as a worse case scenario.
    Yup, same thing for me. Should see my other battery next week. I doubt that it will be a 6400 though. But I'll be testing it!

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    At least you'll have one backup battery. It's a win-win no matter what.

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    There's a lot of good info on this thread. I don't know anything about these light systems, but am trying to reverse engineer how they work. The battery packs seem to be nicads. This being my guess due to the 8.4v rating. No idea if they have a regulated output or not. I'm guessing not. I would think the head unit has a buck converter to lower the battery voltage to the LEDs typical 3.1v.
    Anyone have an idea if the head unit would work with a 12-14v supply? I'm open to adding an intermediate stage, a 3A buck to lower my supply but would rather run it without one.
    Any ideas?
    Thanks !

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    Battery pack consists of 2S2P (4 pieces) 18650 Li-Ion cells. On single XML light driver is current limited buck converter, and my guess is here is the same. It probably won't work directly from 12-14V without modifications (input caps and MCU voltage dropping resistor springs to mind).

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    Got my light after 2 months of waiting. Claimed 6400mAh battery pack is of course 4400mAh. Mine came with a loose lens so I'll make up a spacer to fix it. Otherwise it rattles. Did some run time tests:

    1h:8m on HIGH with original battery

    2h:5m on HIGH with Geoman replacement battery for Magicshine

    Guess which one I'll be using. The supplied battery is a joke and only suitable as a backup since it is small and lightweight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digthemlows View Post
    Ok, real world test on the trail this morning.

    Both of these battery packs are exactly the same size and weight.
    Likewise, I also got the 3X CREE XM-l T6 from the security store but got the single 'CREE XML XM-L T6 LED Bike Bicycle Light HeadLight HeadLamp 1200LM Gold" via Amazon sold by Able Provider with a claimed 8800 mAh battery. As you might have guessed, it came with a 4400 mAh, same size and weight as the 3X but I haven't tested it's run time. My 3X gets 45-65 min. on medium and drains to dead when left connected after running for a bit.
    When I contacted the SecurityStore through Ebay about their poor battery, they said they would give me an $8 credit as they only make $6 on each light sold. I have included the response from Able Provider regarding their claimed 8800 mAh below. They seemed to have missed the point or aren't aware of what they are showing in their own spec's.

    I realize we are getting very bright lights for cheap, but maybe we should not give these cloners a "free ride" on our purchase feedback when it comes to their claimed lumens and batteries. I'm sure the legitimate sellers would appreciate more truthfulness on everybody's part.

    Reply from Able Provider,

    Dear mcc

    ours is 4400mah. In this market mainly is 4400mah.

    really 8800mah need highly technology , if the technology is not mature . it may unsafe to use this kind of battery.

    so take safe into consideration, most of sellers do not use 8800mah battery in practical. our battery could used for 4 hours at least after charging. it is enough for normal use.

    hope you understand us. it is not wise for us to get a positive review to send you a 8800mah battery with poor quality and bring dangouse to you.

    thanks

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    Ok

    So did a run time test w/ the GEO 6.0 replacement battery tonight. Did it on medium since I think that is the best use of this light due to high being barely visibly brighter to the human eye.

    So far I'm at 2:43 on medium and another 15 min on low. Unfortunately it's 11:25pm and I need to shower and go to bed. The light was still burning on medium.

    I think the best use of this light head which is pretty good for the money is to buy a better battery. The light head is pretty efficient w/ a good battery.

    I'll retest on high w/ the 6.0 battery next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    Ok

    So did a run time test w/ the GEO 6.0 replacement battery tonight. Did it on medium since I think that is the best use of this light due to high being barely visibly brighter to the human eye.

    So far I'm at 2:43 on medium and another 15 min on low. Unfortunately it's 11:25pm and I need to shower and go to bed. The light was still burning on medium.

    I think the best use of this light head which is pretty good for the money is to buy a better battery. The light head is pretty efficient w/ a good battery.

    I'll retest on high w/ the 6.0 battery next week.

    MB
    Sounds about right to me.

    I just realized that I actually do own another 4400mAh battery that came with my Xeccon X-12.. Tomorrow I'll hook that up to the Tri-clone just to see how well it works. I figure if it gets over 1hr and 40 minutes on high that would be pretty good.

    Skyline.....that letter from the seller was too much. I couldn't decide to cry or to laugh. ...okay so I'm laughing.... Even the Chinglish was beyond the pale.

    Anyway, so here's the solution...( bear with me )....Write them back and tell them, " I fixie the technology and the technology is now higher yen". "Please send the better battery so all technology is equal, chop, chop"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I just realized that I actually do own another 4400mAh battery
    So many hidden treasures at your place Cat.

    Be nice to know the current draw with the tri-clone. Can you please measure it next time?

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    My power suppy has just arrived, as I decided to buy one sooner. Now I have 600W 5-15V 0-40A PS for testing with LC display to show voltage and current draw. I will post here some measurements, just be patient as I do not have that much time

    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I am going to buy an adjustable power supply, but in January, so I cannot make test earlier :-(

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    Hi guys. I didn't want to start a new thread, as i'm new here and it could be seen as spam, but I was going to buy one of these, then noticed that there's a quad version which wasn't there a week ago. Is this one going to be more extreme?

    ebay.co.uk/itm/4500Lm-4x-CREE-XML-T6-LED-Bicycle-bike-Headlamp-Headlight-Torch-Light-w-6x18650-/261134463628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cccd3b28c

    Is that battery going to be enough? Is it even going to be at those specs? Or a load of BS? It says 4 hours on high?

    Does this tri-clone light give double run time on strobe? Anyone tested that? I have a Fluxient 3xU2 and am kinda regretting it now. This clone looks really bright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Bass View Post
    Hi guys. I didn't want to start a new thread...
    I think that'd be a good idea when discussing a totally different light so that this thread doesn't get confusing.

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    Well I have Skyray S6, but considering they are the same I did some measurements using PS at 40A at 8.44V for 1 minute each mode:
    idle w/ PS turned on: 0.02A
    1 LED: 0.58A
    2 LED: 1.83A
    3 LED: 2.01A
    strobe: 1.1A

    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    My power suppy has just arrived, as I decided to buy one sooner. Now I have 600W 5-15V 0-40A PS for testing with LC display to show voltage and current draw. I will post here some measurements, just be patient as I do not have that much time
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Bass View Post
    Hi guys. I didn't want to start a new thread, as i'm new here and it could be seen as spam, but I was going to buy one of these, then noticed that there's a quad version which wasn't there a week ago. Is this one going to be more extreme?

    ebay.co.uk/itm/4500Lm-4x-CREE-XML-T6-LED-Bicycle-bike-Headlamp-Headlight-Torch-Light-w-6x18650-/261134463628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cccd3b28c

    Is that battery going to be enough? Is it even going to be at those specs? Or a load of BS? It says 4 hours on high?

    Does this tri-clone light give double run time on strobe? Anyone tested that? I have a Fluxient 3xU2 and am kinda regretting it now. This clone looks really bright.
    I believe this is the link to the light you are referring to > 4500Lm 4x CREE XML T6 LED Bicycle bike Headlamp Headlight Torch Light w/ 4x18650.

    I've not seen these before but that doesn't surprise me.. Size looks similar to the triple.

    In the battery description it mentions 6400ma. This is not 6400mAh. The "H" for hour makes a big difference! Could be the battery supplies 3.2 A to each set of LED's ( but I wouldn't bet on it .. ). No idea what battery is being used but if a 4 cell run time is going to be real short.

    There is no mention of the mode's being applied via single LED illumination. That could be good. It does mention a press to hold strobe, That is good.

    Like the triple, buyer beware. No telling what you're getting if you buy one of these. Anyone buying one of these needs to start a new thread.
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    I plan on getting just the triple head and making a 6200 pack out of 4 keeppowers....
    Perhaps I can get 3 hours on high??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CdaleTony View Post
    I plan on getting just the triple head and making a 6200 pack out of 4 keeppowers....
    Perhaps I can get 3 hours on high??
    Actually when you buy the lamp/set you ONLY are getting just the lamp head ( from a realistic standpoint ) as the battery is pretty much crap.

    So Tony, why not buy one of these batteries and be the first to give it a review??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Actually when you buy the lamp/set you ONLY are getting just the lamp head ( from a realistic standpoint ) as the battery is pretty much crap.

    So Tony, why not buy one of these batteries and be the first to give it a review??
    I just want to get a real battery, although the original MS battery did ok for me, and the geoman replacement gave me 2.5 straight hours on high the other night..
    I imagine the triple pulls alot more power....so I might shoot for 2s2p with the Kp's....
    If he sells the triple head any cheaper without the battery or mounts, I am ahead by that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post

    There is no mention of the mode's being applied via single LED illumination. That could be good. It does mention a press to hold strobe, That is good.

    Like the triple, buyer beware. No telling what you're getting if you buy one of these. Anyone buying one of these needs to start a new thread.
    Cat,

    Based on the translation issues, I wouldn't bet on anything that is said in description. My single also said you have to press and hold for strobe, but in fact that's not the case. It just cycles through strobe like the other settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylinemtb View Post
    Cat,

    Based on the translation issues, I wouldn't bet on anything that is said in description. My single also said you have to press and hold for strobe, but in fact that's not the case. It just cycles through strobe like the other settings.
    Yes, that is of course quite possible. The E-smay sellers do tend to misrepresent more so than what one would expect. A real PITA it is to not get what you thought you were buying. ...."you's lays your moneys down and you's take your chances" "Roll them dice and hopefully they don't come up Snake eyes".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    In the interest of reducing shipping cost and promoting Xeccon 6600mAh batteries, we are arranging limited number of these batteries in Neoprene pouch as pictured shipped to Bloomington IN this week.

    This offer is for US customers only. Price is USD 49.00 including USPS delivery. Xeccon 6600mAh Battery Special

    The batteries are available for shipping Monday Nov 19 onwards and come with 6 month warranty. Please use appropriate chargers. If unsure please contact us.

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    Having seen this battery mentioned several times as an alternative power source for the Tri-Clone I thought I'd post my impressions.

    1) I did a run-time test with a Gemini Olympia lighthead since its amp draw on high (1.92 per Jim @ Action) is similar to what people are geting with the Tri-Clone. 3 hrs 14 min on high to flashing red, resetting the battery netted an additional 15 min on 50% power.

    2) Nice battery bag! The neoprene material is soft (should be easy on frame tubes), water repelant, and the flap/attachment strap is some what elastic so it attaches
    solidly where ever you choose to mount it. Battery weight w/bag - 330gm

    3) If I were going to use this for endurance racing the 30gm weight advantage and approx. 20% longer runtime of my other 6 cell (Gemini) would justify the price difference (Xeccon - $49 delivered vs Gemini - $107 + del.). For powering a $50 Tri-Clone or my what ever headlight + Titan w/red wide angle lens tail light and y-cable commuter set-up I think this Xeccon battery is a good deal. Thanks again Leonard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Well I have Skyray S6, but considering they are the same I did some measurements using PS at 40A at 8.44V for 1 minute each mode:
    idle w/ PS turned on: 0.02A
    1 LED: 0.58A
    2 LED: 1.83A
    3 LED: 2.01A
    strobe: 1.1A
    Thankyou.

    As with my light yours don't have much difference between 2 Leds and 3 LEDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    why not buy one of these batteries and be the first to give it a review??
    I have one of those batteries.
    It works, but I haven't tested for how long it will last.
    Yet, that is.

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    Let us know how that battery works out.

    I also think the 6.6 from Xeccon might be ticket as you know what to really expect and that should run the light on high for close to 3 hrs?? At least medium for 3 hrs which looks like the same amount of light to the eye. I think $49 delivered so not bad for a decent battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    I have one of those batteries.
    It works, but I haven't tested for how long it will last.
    Yet, that is.
    OH! OH! Please do test it. I suspect that it will supply really long run times. It does depend though on what brand cells are being used. I've been looking at reviews on typical 26650 cells and the capacities ( while over-rated a bit ) are still impressive.

    I would expect this battery to at least have a "Real" capacity of 8000mAh ( or 8Ah to put it another way ). Any less and they would have to be using the cheapest lowest quality cells made. If I didn't get 3hrs on high using this battery with the Tri-clone I would be highly disappointed.

    I just read a review by someone who tested the Trustfire ( 26650 ) 5000mAh cells. Actual capacity using a 3A current draw for the test gave a 4300mAh rating. Not bad. I have a torch on the way that uses the 26650 cells and includes a Trustfire cell in the package. If I like what I see I might just build my own battery using the Trustfire or King Kong 26650 cells.

    @ Cdale Tony; Thanks for mentioning the Keeppower batteries. I didn't know anyone had yet used the ( 18650 ) Panasonic 3400mAh cells in a protected version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    Let us know how that battery works out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    OH! OH! Please do test it. I suspect that it will supply really long run times.
    ....
    If I didn't get 3hrs on high using this battery with the Tri-clone I would be highly disappointed.
    I have been testing the runtime tonight. battery
    It stayed on max (3 LEDs) for close to 3 hours (2hours55mins)

    Edit:
    I have measured the voltage of the battery after the light stopped: 0,8V
    I then connected the battery to the charger, disconnected it after a minute and measured the voltage again: 6,4V

    Apparently it was the protection circuit that stopped the light at 2hours55mins



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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    and


    I have been testing the runtime tonight.
    It stayed on max (3 LEDs) for close to 3 hours (2hours55mins)

    Edit:
    I have measured the voltage of the battery after the light stopped: 0,8V
    I then connected the battery to the charger, disconnected it after a minute and measured the voltage again: 6,4V

    Apparently it was the protection circuit that stopped the light at 2hours55mins



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    Hakan, what was the current draw of the tri-clone do you know?

    I have been running down the BAK batteries last night with various lights including loading the 6600 running 2 X MJ-808E via a Y and the 4400 using a Y for two S12s. Still trying to determine how long the 6600mAh will run the tri-clone for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    and


    I have been testing the runtime tonight. battery
    It stayed on max (3 LEDs) for close to 3 hours (2hours55mins)

    Edit:
    I have measured the voltage of the battery after the light stopped: 0,8V
    I then connected the battery to the charger, disconnected it after a minute and measured the voltage again: 6,4V

    Apparently it was the protection circuit that stopped the light at 2hours55mins



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    Okay, not bad. I wish I would of thought to tell you to reset the battery ( when it cuts out ) and continue to run the Tri-clone on low ( one LED ) to see how much longer the lamp would of run with the remaining power.

    Anyway, the run time on this battery is about what you would get if you used two 4400mAh ( 4-cell ) batteries so I figure I was pretty close in my estimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Hakan, what was the current draw of the tri-clone do you know?
    Sorry, I didn't measure the current draw with this battery.
    But I have measured it earlier, with other batteries, and posted it here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Okay, not bad. I wish I would of thought to tell you to reset the battery ( when it cuts out ) and continue to run the Tri-clone on low ( one LED ) to see how much longer the lamp would of run with the remaining power.

    Anyway, the run time on this battery is about what you would get if you used two 4400mAh ( 4-cell ) batteries so I figure I was pretty close in my estimate.
    It was late and I didn't have the time to do any more run time measurements.

    And I will probably not repeat the runtime measurement, I fear that it could damage the light head from overheating.
    Last night was VERY cold here, -12 centigrades, but the light was scorching hot to the touch.
    (The battery was kept indoors)



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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    Last night was VERY cold here, -12 centigrades, but the light was scorching hot to the touch.
    Yes, hot air is like molasses, and moves very slowly. So without a breeze of fresh air, you actually have an insulating bubble of hot air around your light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post

    It was late and I didn't have the time to do any more run time measurements.

    And I will probably not repeat the runtime measurement, I fear that it could damage the light head from overheating.
    Last night was VERY cold here, -12 centigrades, but the light was scorching hot to the touch.
    (The battery was kept indoors)



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    I take it you had the lamp outside. While it was cold outside surprisingly the lamp will still get hot if there is no moving air over the light head. You need to use a fan even if the air is cold. I test my lamp indoors ( 74°F. ) with a fan blowing on it and it remained only warm to the touch the whole time.

    I use an infrared thermometer to monitor the temperature and I don't believe it got hotter than 118°F ( with fan ).

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    Yes, I had the lamp outside. I was also surprised by how hot the lamp became.
    But since I don't have a fan, I will not repeat the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Like the triple, buyer beware. No telling what you're getting if you buy one of these. Anyone buying one of these needs to start a new thread.
    Think i'm going to leave that one for now. It's double the price of this one, so i'll get 2 instead and do some photos of various setups/comparisons.

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    securityingstore responded that the triple XML light alone is $37 to the states...I guess thats a good option since it saves me $12 for a battery that would last what, an hour or so?

    Either I go 2s2p keeppowers for 6200mah ( 2 parallel 3100 = 6200 right?)
    Or I conjure a bar/pocket battery pack out of 2s3p for 9300mah?

    Am i figuring it right?
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    This battery seems to have great run time. I wanted to buy those 5000mAh 26650 TFs that are about 4000-4300, but it is cheaper to buy 18650 TFs 3000 which are about 2600. It is not worth buying even 3400 18650 Panasonics, since they are terribly expensive. I am building my own cell pack from basic unprotected 12x 18650 holders and 2S 15A PCB. I want to build a 2S6P maximum and use it from 2P to 6P depending on run time I want with that voltage monitoring I mentioned earlier. I also have some old notebook batteries so I do some charge/discharge test to determine capacity and usefulness of these cells inside.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    OH! OH! Please do test it. I suspect that it will supply really long run times. It does depend though on what brand cells are being used. I've been looking at reviews on typical 26650 cells and the capacities ( while over-rated a bit ) are still impressive.

    I would expect this battery to at least have a "Real" capacity of 8000mAh ( or 8Ah to put it another way ). Any less and they would have to be using the cheapest lowest quality cells made. If I didn't get 3hrs on high using this battery with the Tri-clone I would be highly disappointed.

    I just read a review by someone who tested the Trustfire ( 26650 ) 5000mAh cells. Actual capacity using a 3A current draw for the test gave a 4300mAh rating. Not bad. I have a torch on the way that uses the 26650 cells and includes a Trustfire cell in the package. If I like what I see I might just build my own battery using the Trustfire or King Kong 26650 cells.

    @ Cdale Tony; Thanks for mentioning the Keeppower batteries. I didn't know anyone had yet used the ( 18650 ) Panasonic 3400mAh cells in a protected version.

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    Hmm yes the difference is very small, I am pretty sure it can be driven harder and put out much more light Perhaps someone will modify these lights to work better

    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    Thankyou.

    As with my light yours don't have much difference between 2 Leds and 3 LEDs.

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    It sure is possible to drive them harder, but I'm not sure casing can dissipate that much heat. Mine single XML light has its LED driven at 1.9A. By changing current sense resistor I got that up to 2.3A and difference in brightness was visible, but increase in heat was almost not worth it. I'm pretty sure triple driver can be modded in the same way.

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    Can you guys please tell me how do you measure the Amps when the light is working? I would like to measure mine too because i suspect there is something wrong with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroDank View Post
    Can you guys please tell me how do you measure the Amps when the light is working?
    I have an extension cord that I have 'opened' and I measuer the curent with my Fluke multimeter.
    A cord like this one:
    5.4mm Male to Female Extension Cable for SKU 29489/30864 (100cm) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme


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    As Hakan said, you need one of those extension cables, or you need some kind of power supply in 7-8.4V range. If you go for first option, you can cut either wire in that cable and put multimeter on their ends. You need to put red multimeter lead in 10A/20A hole and select appropriate range. Be warned though that current will rise as batteries go down.

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    Ok, thanks i will try to do that. I might have a power supply around the house... I would like to test my battery too (to make sure it is providing the right power), but that will be done once i get a cable like that.
    I really think my MJ 808 clone (claimed 1200lm, when the MJ's says 1000lm but is actually ~650 as tested by mtbr) seams to be weaker than most of other clones i see here claiming to be 1600lumens (dont know how that is possible, though).

    Anyway sorry for the off-topic!

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    Quick update.

    I recieved the no charge replacment battery for my Tri-clone. Charged and discharged it twice with my hobby charger. 1907 and 1869 milliamperes is all that I could pull out. Ouch! Worse than my first battery. I've emailed the seller and thanked them for good communication and good shipping. I did inform them that they would be getting neutral feedback as I feel the product isn't as described.

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    I swa that too. I am also waiting for a replacement battery. Mine pulls out 1700 mAh untill 3V during discharge on a hobby charger. But I also saw that there is a huge gap between the 1st and 2nd series - about 300mV at about middle of the discharge process. It is the PCB that cuts out the source due to exhausted half of the pack. Perhaps one should combine two packs to get some more reliable pack and the bad cells throw away for recycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Grumpy View Post
    Quick update.

    I recieved the no charge replacment battery for my Tri-clone. Charged and discharged it twice with my hobby charger. 1907 and 1869 milliamperes is all that I could pull out. Ouch! Worse than my first battery. I've emailed the seller and thanked them for good communication and good shipping. I did inform them that they would be getting neutral feedback as I feel the product isn't as described.

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    10 Ah battery now at KD

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    why not buy one of these batteries and be the first to give it a review??
    Perhaps this is old 'news', but KD now sells a similar 4 x 26650 8,4V/10Ah battery, and it is a little cheaper too 25.39 USD
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905

    Please note:
    I have no personal experience of the KD battery, ie I don't know if the contacts will fit.


    My runtime test of the LT-box battery is here:
    New clone 3 x XML T-6 49.88 shipped



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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    Perhaps this is old 'news', but KD now sells a similar 4 x 26650 8,4V/10Ah battery, and it is a little cheaper too 25.39 USD
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905

    Please note:
    I have no personal experience of the KD battery, ie I don't know if the contacts will fit.


    My runtime test of the LT-box battery is here:
    New clone 3 x XML T-6 49.88 shipped



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    Thanks Håkan....Good find on the KD battery. I have a feeling that these 26650 batteries are going to be coming out of the woodwork. The KD battery is listing as 12000mAh. At first I thought there was no such thing as a 6000mAh 26650 cell. A quick search proved me wrong. It seems there is an 6000mAh cell and a 6300mAh cell! However both of these cells are *something*- fires....Ultrafire...Tangsfire...you get the idea. I haven't had a chance to check reviews but I expect actual mAh rating is likely around 4200mAh but I could be wrong on that.

    Still, can't beat the price. If you need a long running battery and don't mind the extra weight of the 26650's then these could be your ticket to ride. Just keep in mind that you will need a battery bag big enough to carry them. So far I have yet to see one being sold with the bag included. Now if you happen to have some old bags left over from the old NiMh batteries; those should be big enough to hold the 4 cell 26650 battery.

    Last week I received my first 26650 torch. It's using the Trustfire 5000mAh cell. I'll get back with the run time once I get a chance to play with it.

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    pulled the trigger on this from Amazon, $58 overnight shipping. Can't wait to try it out on friday.

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    Hi. Firstly, thanks to all for a very good info on this 3-clones. Secondly - what do you think about set like this? Any experience with this?

    (sorry, I can't post links, so please just paste the whole name and search for it)

    3 x Cree XM-L T6 4-Mode Bicycle Light (with battery set and charger) kaidomain - $25.39
    4 x 26650 Battery Set for Bicycle light kaidomain - $47.93

    Battery set is claimed to have 12000mAh, but even if it is only half of that - for $25 it would be a steal. I guess...

    I haven't owned LED light yet - is it possible to just simply swap the original battery (famous "4400mAh") with this 4x26650? And will the charger from the original set do?
    Last edited by freebird74; 12-27-2012 at 02:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebird74 View Post
    Hi. Firstly, thanks to all for a very good info on this 3-clones. Secondly - what do you think about set like this? Any experience with this?

    (sorry, I can't post links, so please just paste the whole name and search for it)

    3 x Cree XM-L T6 4-Mode Bicycle Light (with battery set and charger) kaidomain - $25.39
    4 x 26650 Battery Set for Bicycle light kaidomain - $47.93

    Battery set is claimed to have 12000mAh, but even if it is only half of that - for $25 it would be a steal. I guess...

    I haven't owned LED light yet - is it possible to just simply swap the original battery (famous "4400mAh") with this 4x26650? And will the charger from the original set do?
    If you want to go that route I would e-mail them and see if they could upgrade the battery in the lamp kit to the 26650 battery for a nominal fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbrewer View Post
    If you want to go that route I would e-mail them and see if they could upgrade the battery in the lamp kit to the 26650 battery for a nominal fee.
    I suppose you could do that but that would mean more waiting for a special order. If it were me I'd just go ahead and order both right from the get go. Dont' be surprised if the standard battery shipped by K/D is a normal battery. Even so It will likely only run the tri-clone about 1.5 hr. Can't hurt to have an extra battery.

    The 26650 battery should get you your longer run time but you will still need a battery bag to use the battery on your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I suppose you could do that but that would mean more waiting for a special order. If it were me I'd just go ahead and order both right from the get go. Dont' be surprised if the standard battery shipped by K/D is a normal battery. Even so It will likely only run the tri-clone about 1.5 hr. Can't hurt to have an extra battery.
    Sure, you're right. I have asked about the possibility to swap these batteries, will see.

    The 26650 battery should get you your longer run time but you will still need a battery bag to use the battery on your bike.
    What about making battery set on my own which would be probably much better than the ones mentioned above? Is it just connecting four batteries or more complicated? There are very reliable batteries (tested by guys from budgetlightforum):
    Kingkong INR26650E
    Capacity: 4000mAh-4200mAh
    Full charge: 4.2V
    Nominal voltage: 3.7V
    Cut-off: 2.75V
    Weight: 89g

    They go even beyond given capacity.

    Should they be protected or not for DIY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebird74 View Post
    Should they be protected or not for DIY?
    A question that has been asked and answered many times. My response, and not trying to sound like a dick, if you need to ask, you don't know enough about li ion to use unprotected cells.

    I use mostly unprotected cells salvaged from laptops. I run them in holders, charge them individually, frequently check voltage, and use a quality driver with voltage monitoring ability. This has served me well for about 4 years now. When I sell a light to someone, it goes with an assembled pack, with protection circuit, and a dedicated charger. Don't want to be responsible for someone having a li ion incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebird74 View Post



    What about making battery set on my own which would be probably much better than the ones mentioned above? Is it just connecting four batteries or more complicated? There are very reliable batteries (tested by guys from budgetlightforum):
    Kingkong INR26650E
    Capacity: 4000mAh-4200mAh
    Full charge: 4.2V
    Nominal voltage: 3.7V
    Cut-off: 2.75V
    Weight: 89g

    They go even beyond given capacity.

    Should they be protected or not for DIY?
    Yes you could buy some KK cells and make your own battery but are the KK cells really going to be that much better than the cells in the K/D set-up?
    Now if you could buy a Panasonic quality cell in a 26650 and get a real 5000mAh ( or better ) per cell than building a better battery might be worth a go. Otherwise I'd just go with the K/D and take my chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Yes you could buy some KK cells and make your own battery but are the KK cells really going to be that much better than the cells in the K/D set-up?
    Now if you could buy a Panasonic quality cell in a 26650 and get a real 5000mAh ( or better ) per cell than building a better battery might be worth a go. Otherwise I'd just go with the K/D and take my chances.
    Keepower 26650 is built around a Panasonic or Sanyo cell. You would think it would have a higher capacity, but it doesn't. King Kong's are just fine if you don't need protection. They've had consistent quality, which is a decent indication that they're not recycled cells like Ultrafire batteries and probably most of the cells that come in our Chinese bike lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
    Keepower 26650 is built around a Panasonic or Sanyo cell. You would think it would have a higher capacity, but it doesn't. King Kong's are just fine if you don't need protection. They've had consistent quality, which is a decent indication that they're not recycled cells like Ultrafire batteries and probably most of the cells that come in our Chinese bike lights.
    Where do you find these batteries? It appreciate it if you post up a link.

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbrewer View Post
    Where do you find these batteries? It appreciate it if you post up a link.

    Thanks in advance
    Kumabear on BLF. He's in the US, so shipping is very quick in the US. It looks like he's currently out of Keepower 26650 protected batteries, but has protected King Kong batteries. I wouldn't hesitate to buy and use King Kong 26650's...I already have a couple.

    Here's the comment thread.
    ANNOUNCEMENTS, QUESTIONS and COMMENTS from and for Your BLF BATTERY SUPPLIER | BudgetLightForum.com

    Here's the order thread.
    ONLY BATTERY ORDERS for YOUR BLF US-BASED BATTERY SUPPLIER | BudgetLightForum.com

    As you might see there, I've bought from Kumabear. I plan to buy more cells from him early next year.

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    looks like i have to take apart the version I got today. Single LED works fine, but when switching to Med,it flashes then turns off. Some tapping on the side housing, it works til I hit the next big bump. Thinking pinched wire or solder joint. Other then that and WHEN it worked on Hi, I'm impressed. Low mode was fine too, I had my mityX400 on the bars so the combo worked out. It puts out about the same if not a tad but more spill. I need this new battery pack so I can run on Hi for my entire 2hr ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    looks like i have to take apart the version I got today. Single LED works fine, but when switching to Med,it flashes then turns off. Some tapping on the side housing, it works til I hit the next big bump. Thinking pinched wire or solder joint. Other then that and WHEN it worked on Hi, I'm impressed. Low mode was fine too, I had my mityX400 on the bars so the combo worked out. It puts out about the same if not a tad but more spill. I need this new battery pack so I can run on Hi for my entire 2hr ride.
    Fixed a cold solder joints but that wasn't the problem. Changed out R1 for a 0 ohm resistor and works like a charm in all modes now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    Perhaps this is old 'news', but KD now sells a similar 4 x 26650 8,4V/10Ah battery, and it is a little cheaper too 25.39 USD
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905

    Please note:
    I have no personal experience of the KD battery, ie I don't know if the contacts will fit.


    My runtime test of the LT-box battery is here:
    New clone 3 x XML T-6 49.88 shipped



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    Has anyone tried the Kaidomain battery pack?
    ( sorry if I missed it in the thread)

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    Perhaps this is old news, but KD now sells the Tri-Clone 3 x XM-L lamp for 43,56 USD
    http://kaidomain.com/product/Details.S020615


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    I couldn't tell what size baterry pack Kaidomain are including, do you know?
    jW

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    Unfortunately it looks like only a 2x18650 battery (scroll down to see the battery)

    Big pic: http://manager.kaidomain.com/UploadF...3503530000.jpg

    But KD also sells a bigger battery for only 25,39 USD
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S020905


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    I have just written to ask them about it.

    Do you know if there's any difference in regards of customs between registered and regular air mail?

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    I just paid the same on Ebay with securityingstore
    So prices are coming down.
    I did just order the Kaidomain battery...

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    Well, you can post the battery runtime here I bet the capacity is about 8Ah

    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I just paid the same on Ebay with securityingstore
    So prices are coming down.
    I did just order the Kaidomain battery...

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    3X CREE SM-L Battery Dead already

    Just an FYI,

    I ordered the 3800Lm 3X CREE XM-L T6 LED LED Headlight Headlamp Bicycle Bike Light ( 320985696278 from Securityingstore via EBAY back in Nov. for $48.63 including shipping.

    While the light worked great, the battery is now dead and won't take a charge. When plugged into the charger, it appears green as if good. It probably went through 8 charging cycles before dying. I have heard of folks resurrecting these, any ideas would be appreciated.

    I had ordered the 4 x 26650 Battery Set for Bicycle light from Kadioman as a backup but I guess it will be the main battery when it arrives. Anybody know how long shipping is from Kadiomain. Their track order doesn't provide any info.

    I also ordered the CREE XML XM-L T6 LED Bike Bicycle Light HeadLight HeadLamp 1200LM Gold from Able Provider via Amazon $38.93. The battery was not the 6400 mAh claimed and they sent me another when I asked them too. They still haven't changed the specs though. Unfortunately the batteries for these 2 lights are different voltages and not interchangable. But it is a nice combination of spot for the helmet and 3x for the bars.

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    So what's the general consensus on this light? From what I'm reading the light is pretty good, but it comes with a sub-standard battery. The battery is pretty much useless. Is that right?

    These things are getting cheaper, $43.64 from a USA based warehouse:
    3800Lm 3X CREE XM L T6 LED LED Bicycle Bike Light Headlight Headlamp | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    So what's the general consensus on this light? From what I'm reading the light is pretty good, but it comes with a sub-standard battery. The battery is pretty much useless. Is that right?

    These things are getting cheaper, $43.64 from a USA based warehouse:
    3800Lm 3X CREE XM L T6 LED LED Bicycle Bike Light Headlight Headlamp | eBay
    That's the same one I just ordered.....I don't think it's a US warehouse though???
    And I ordered a Kaido battery that Hakan linked...
    We'll see how every thing works.
    The prices are crazy....
    I think I paid over $200 for a Vista set up back in the early 90's that was like a birthday candle.
    I then dropped a wad on a Nitesun in the mid 90's that was killer at the time
    Then about 400 on a Nite Rider Moab HID around 2005
    Now I bought 2 lights and a extra battery for $130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    So what's the general consensus on this light? From what I'm reading the light is pretty good, but it comes with a sub-standard battery. The battery is pretty much useless. Is that right?

    These things are getting cheaper, $43.64 from a USA based warehouse:
    3X CREE XM L T6 LED LED Bicycle Bike Light Headlight Headlamp | eBay[/url]
    I think all have said to expect little from the battery that comes with this light. It hasn't measured up to the 4400 mAh stated. Since this is that same seller that I got mine from, and judging by the expected delivery dates (a 2 week time period), I wouldn't trust the shipping from the US statement that is in the link above. Seems like they are giving themselves 2 days to process order and 2 days for expedited shipping. 4 days from in the US, seems bogus to me.

    Also, these guys said they would send me a replacement battery when I first got it, as it didn't measure up, but they never did.

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    If that ebay vendor has done what you said by shipping from out of country and not sending the promised spare battery, I hope you are still able to grant the rating that seller deserves. Probably not though. That's what I hate about ebay. Bad sellers get inflated undeserved ratings. I like Amazon much better for this reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
    If that ebay vendor has done what you said by shipping from out of country and not sending the promised spare battery, I hope you are still able to grant the rating that seller deserves. Probably not though. That's what I hate about ebay. Bad sellers get inflated undeserved ratings. I like Amazon much better for this reason.
    I agree completely. A while back I tried to contact a seller on ebay when one of my lamps had a problem. The people never answered any of the emails I sent. I tried to go back on ebay to find the vendor so I could rate him negatively but I couldn't even find him.

    E-bay is a joke. Yes, there are some good vendors and some good bargains but you take your chances. I like paying through Paypal so if anything goes wrong you can complain to them. Last but not least if you pay with a credit card you can complain to the CC company if you didn't get what you paid for and are not getting a response from the vendor. No vendor want's to mess with the Credit card companies believe me. Mess with them and they cut you off. If you try to pay with a CCard and the vendor tells you they can't accept your Master Card but can accept your Visa ( or vice versa )....consider that a warning. That means one of the Card companies cut them off more than likely.

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    Yeah, cheap when everything else of quality is 2 to 3 times the price is also a warning. So far I'm gonna guess I've had 2 MS lights and 2 clones. The MS's are dead. The 808 clone battery just bit the dust, 1 year old but at 30 bucks I guess 1 year was good. The light head works tho. The tri clone works but battery was a joke so really this light head wouldn't be working w/o the 6.0 GEO battery I had.

    My Dinotte XML-3's are working fine, 2nd year.

    I do need a new helmet light but am going no cables. Anybody know the best one. Cat, what you think. Was thinking the new Cygo Expellion 700. Anything brighter and smaller. When is Dinotte going to enter the cable less light game???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    ....I do need a new helmet light but am going no cables. Anybody know the best one. Cat, what you think. Was thinking the new Cygo Expellion 700. Anything brighter and smaller. When is Dinotte going to enter the cable less light game???

    MB
    Not really sure how the new breed of self-contained lamps work as helmet lamps. My concern would be the type of beam pattern they might provide as I like a more spot setup for the helmet.

    Personally when I go wireless on the helmet I just use a Ultrafire 501-B drop-in torch with XM-L 3-mode drop-in. This sits on my helmet really well and is so light-weight that I don't even know it's there. Sadly, with all the fancy vent designs on the newer helmets most people would not be able to use a torch for the helmet without doing some major rigging. ( My helmet is more than fifteen years old. If it ever dies on me I will miss it so much I will probably give it a funeral. )

    If I was in the market for a helmet light that was light-weight, low profile and could be used without wires going off the helmet I would consider the Gloworm X1. No, I don't own one but the reviews are favorable and the set-up ( with two cell Panasonic battery ) can be mounted completely on the helmet. I've used a Gloworm X2 on the helmet with two cell and it is very light-weight / low profile setup as well. The X1 should be even lighter and the people who are reviewing the light say it out-throws the X2 ( with a more confined beam pattern ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Not really sure how the new breed of self-contained lamps work as helmet lamps. My concern would be the type of beam pattern they might provide as I like a more spot setup for the helmet.
    (Perhaps this should be in a thread of its own?)

    I am with Cat here.

    Therefore i wonder if anybody have tried any of the new zoomable lamps that both DX and KD sells?
    UltraFire Cree XM-L U2 1200lm 3-Mode White Zooming Bike Light Headlamp - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/Details.S020897
    068B Cree XM-L T6 600lm 5-Mode White Light Zooming Headlamp - Black (1 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    On paper they both looks good, but since I have more then enough of lamps for my own use I wan't to know more about them before I buy another lamp.


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    These "high capacity" e-bay/dx/kd 2S2P batteries are very popular :-) Every item has them and they are proven to be trash with max. 1400mAh/cell. They have to sell the lights without battery

    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    (Perhaps this should be in a thread of its own?)

    I am with Cat here.

    Therefore i wonder if anybody have tried any of the new zoomable lamps that both DX and KD sells?
    UltraFire Cree XM-L U2 1200lm 3-Mode White Zooming Bike Light Headlamp - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/Details.S020897
    068B Cree XM-L T6 600lm 5-Mode White Light Zooming Headlamp - Black (1 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    On paper they both looks good, but since I have more then enough of lamps for my own use I wan't to know more about them before I buy another lamp.


    /Håkan
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    Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post, I know that the batteries are next to worthless.
    I was wondering more about the lamp and the quality of it.

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    Ah, now I see. It seems like they will have a floody pattern in common. So they obviously won't throw much. The one with U2 seems to be the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    Sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post, I know that the batteries are next to worthless.
    I was wondering more about the lamp and the quality of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    (Perhaps this should be in a thread of its own?)

    I am with Cat here.

    Therefore i wonder if anybody have tried any of the new zoomable lamps that both DX and KD sells?
    UltraFire Cree XM-L U2 1200lm 3-Mode White Zooming Bike Light Headlamp - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/Details.S020897
    068B Cree XM-L T6 600lm 5-Mode White Light Zooming Headlamp - Black (1 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    On paper they both looks good, but since I have more then enough of lamps for my own use I wan't to know more about them before I buy another lamp.


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    I've always wondered how these lights would look like when commuting. Because they are zoomable the beam pattern would always have a constant shape without any spill. That would be good if the light was at the right angle to illuminate the road without blinding drivers. Perhaps it would work like those lights with Germany's StVZO approval... I would like to test that...

    I've seen some videos on youtube about zoomable lights and they should work as I've previously said. This could be interesting for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HakanC View Post
    (Perhaps this should be in a thread of its own?)

    I am with Cat here.

    Therefore i wonder if anybody have tried any of the new zoomable lamps that both DX and KD sells?
    UltraFire Cree XM-L U2 1200lm 3-Mode White Zooming Bike Light Headlamp - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme
    http://www.kaidomain.com/product/Details.S020897
    068B Cree XM-L T6 600lm 5-Mode White Light Zooming Headlamp - Black (1 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    On paper they both looks good, but since I have more then enough of lamps for my own use I wan't to know more about them before I buy another lamp.


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    I have tried the first one (the u2), and I like it. I use it as my helmet for spot duties. I use the popular 3x xml for the bars and the combo is working really pretty well for me. The zoomable uses aspheric lenses and I did a bit of research before purchasing. There is some info in the DIY forum about them, and a few custom jobs. The idea behind them is cool, and I liked the idea of being able to adjust the beam.

    In practice I run the beam pretty tight, and it out throws my 3x by some distance. Too tight on the beam though and the pattern is pretty much a square, the led shape really. I back it out so the square pattern is just gone, and i get a nice BRIGHT spot to help illuminate down the trail where my 3x won't quite reach. Fully out in flood mode, it's a very wide, very distinct circle, with little throw.

    I'll try to create some beam shots and post them, but I can say I'm quite satisfied with the light.

    Oh, as we know these Chinese batteries are crap generally, but this light's battery has done well for me on over 1.5 hour rides without failing or stepping down power. I guess the U2 being more efficient may help a crappy battery perform better.

    I bought on the 'bay and had posted a thread about these lights a few weeks ago. Search 'zoomable'

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    I just saw your post and dig into other DIY topics regarding the aspheric and asymetrical reflector (RITA-A's from ledil: Interesting new reflector from Ledil) There are also beamshots of that reflector in the beamshot's fixed topic of that subforum.
    I would also like to see a headlight with that reflector to test in on the road. Getting bored of all those lights...we need innovation in reflectors to get nice lighting for the road.
    Anyway this is getting off topic...

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    I have no electrical/electronics knowledge or ability. If you buy a separate battery pack, how do you assure compatibility?

    I recently purchased a u2 setup from ebay from brotherhaung(?) how do I check if the battery pack is the 6400mah as advertised?
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    You can simply multiply Current and Time - 6400 mAh means the battery will last for 1 hour if the light consumes 6.4A current. BTW I bought from this seller 3XML too and do not expect 6400mAh. 1st battery ran 25 minutes and he sent me another which lasts hour and 20 mins. You wont get proper battery, although he is able to send you another for exchange :-( Just buy some packs advertised/mentioned in this thread and you have no problems

    Quote Originally Posted by J-Dubya61 View Post
    I have no electrical/electronics knowledge or ability. If you buy a separate battery pack, how do you assure compatibility?

    I recently purchased a u2 setup from ebay from brotherhaung(?) how do I check if the battery pack is the 6400mah as advertised?
    jW

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    Thanks, how much current does a U2 lamp draw?
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    Basically the same as T6 with either 1 or 3 leds, but you better search the forum for reviews of ebay lights
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    Thanks, how much current does a U2 lamp draw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    I bought on the 'bay and had posted a thread about these lights a few weeks ago. Search 'zoomable'
    Thankyou

    I found your thread:
    thoughts on the zoomable headlamps with aspheric lenses?

    Please create some beam shots and post them in that thread, if you don't mind.

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    Any consensus yet on a decent replacement battery for the 3800lm 3x XML T6 eBay clone? 3 hours minimum runtime is a reasonable demand to make from a battery IMO. $43 for the light, plus $30-ish for the battery is a bargain – or is it all too good to be true?
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    IF you want a bit DIY, this might be a solution

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dunlop View Post
    Any consensus yet on a decent replacement battery for the 3800lm 3x XML T6 eBay clone? 3 hours minimum runtime is a reasonable demand to make from a battery IMO. $43 for the light, plus $30-ish for the battery is a bargain – or is it all too good to be true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    These "high capacity" e-bay/dx/kd 2S2P batteries are very popular :-) Every item has them and they are proven to be trash with max. 1400mAh/cell. They have to sell the lights without battery
    Please, please!....do not group the ebay lamp / battery sellers in with the stuff you buy directly from China ( from a Chinese web site.) "Deal Extreme".."Kaidomain" and other Chinese web sites need to be judged by their own merits ( or faults ). A lot of people have bought directly from the Chinese web sites over the years and there have been few complaints about the batteries.
    I'm not saying they're the best quality but no where near as bad as what some ebay sellers are selling. Now if someone bought a Tri-Clone directly from the Chinese web sites and got a bum battery I'd like to hear about it.

    Quoted by Bad Andy:
    ...I have tried the first one (the u2), and I like it. I use it as my helmet for spot duties. I use the popular 3x xml for the bars and the combo is working really pretty well for me. The zoomable uses aspheric lenses and I did a bit of research before purchasing. There is some info in the DIY forum about them, and a few custom jobs. The idea behind them is cool, and I liked the idea of being able to adjust the beam.

    In practice I run the beam pretty tight, and it out throws my 3x by some distance. Too tight on the beam though and the pattern is pretty much a square, the led shape really. I back it out so the square pattern is just gone, and i get a nice BRIGHT spot to help illuminate down the trail where my 3x won't quite reach. Fully out in flood mode, it's a very wide, very distinct circle, with little throw.

    I'll try to create some beam shots and post them, but I can say I'm quite satisfied with the light...
    These new adjustable aspheric lamps are interesting. Pardon me for going off subject a moment but since you are the first to say they own one I have a couple questions: Do you get any secondary rings from the lamp beam pattern when adjusted to a tighter beam pattern? The reason I ask is because I've owned a couple of the adjustable zoom torches and I found those to be just junk. The beam pattern on those have just hideous secondary rings in the beam pattern that are very distracting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post


    These new adjustable aspheric lamps are interesting. Pardon me for going off subject a moment but since you are the first to say they own one I have a couple questions: Do you get any secondary rings from the lamp beam pattern when adjusted to a tighter beam pattern? The reason I ask is because I've owned a couple of the adjustable zoom torches and I found those to be just junk. The beam pattern on those have just hideous secondary rings in the beam pattern that are very distracting.
    I do some beam shots next time I'm out for a ride, but to describe from memory... When beam pattern is tight, for spot/long throw I didn't really notice any specific rings, it's a fairly smooth transition from hotspot center to outside edge. Bear in mind through when really really tight, the hotspot is a square and very discernible. As mentioned earlier, I tend to adjust so its tight, but just rounded off the square. Now when fully adjusted out in flood mode, there is a very distinct ring on the edge. Not multiple rings, just one really noticeable one. Again, I'll try to do some beam shots to help illuminate (hah, a pun!) my description.

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    That would be great, bad andy!
    Thank you.

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    Ok, I won't do that again But have others any experience with the 3XML battery from DX or KD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Please, please!....do not group the ebay lamp / battery sellers in with the stuff you buy directly from China ( from a Chinese web site.) "Deal Extreme".."Kaidomain" and other Chinese web sites need to be judged by their own merits ( or faults ). A lot of people have bought directly from the Chinese web sites over the years and there have been few complaints about the batteries.
    I'm not saying they're the best quality but no where near as bad as what some ebay sellers are selling. Now if someone bought a Tri-Clone directly from the Chinese web sites and got a bum battery I'd like to hear about it.

    Quoted by Bad Andy:


    These new adjustable aspheric lamps are interesting. Pardon me for going off subject a moment but since you are the first to say they own one I have a couple questions: Do you get any secondary rings from the lamp beam pattern when adjusted to a tighter beam pattern? The reason I ask is because I've owned a couple of the adjustable zoom torches and I found those to be just junk. The beam pattern on those have just hideous secondary rings in the beam pattern that are very distracting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Ok, I won't do that again But have others any experience with the 3XML battery from DX or KD?
    I remember reading posts of people who bought lights from DX and KD but not the Tri-Clone light specifically. Still even if you buy the Tri-Clone from DX, KD ( or other Chinese site ) while I expect the battery to be better it still will not give you significantly more run time. Maybe 1.5hr on high at best. Nope, to run a 3 XM-L light you need more capacity, at least 5200mAh. That would get you almost two hours on high. Better would be something over 6000mAh.

    The real screw with these Tri-clone lamps is the lack of a low battery warning. At least lamps with blinking red leds when the battery gets low give you something to think about. They ( the warning leds ) won't work the same in cold weather but they're better than nothing.

    If I was going to buy another Tri-Clone lamp I likely would buy from a place like CNqualitygoods.

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