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    Mtbr Lights Shootout Update

    It's finally coming out starting today. The Lux Measurement page has been updated:
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/lights-...-measurements/

    The Beam Pattern Photos and indidvidual light reviews will start getting published today. Look for them on this page:
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/category/lights-shootout/

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    ..and not a minute too soon...I'm about to pull the trigger on an Exposure system (2009 joystick and endurance), but would love to see the updated results to see if I should take another direction.

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    What no video report about the Exposure Maxx D?

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    You need to update your chart, the HIDTech should specify Lumen8r model (Triple) and price, its $415 or 455 AUD (depending on battery) which includes GST and free shipping, so its really $369 or $405 AUD for non-AU residents (they don't pay GST) which is much significantly cheaper than the competition. Depending on your payment service, expect to pay 2-3% in currency changing fees to arrive at the delivered cost. The USD is very strong right now, so you get the most for the least.

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    Holy crap, I didn't even know Exposure had a new Enduro MaXx-D out. That's insane!

    I love my Enduro Maxx that I bought almost exactly one year ago, and it's fantastic.

    I can't even fathom why you'd need 960 Lumens over the standard Enduro MaXx's 720 Lumens.

    But some people just need more, I supposed.
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resist
    What no video report about the Exposure Maxx D?
    Video... tempting. Then I wouldn't have to write so much.

    How is your Maxx D so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti
    You need to update your chart, the HIDTech should specify Lumen8r model (Triple) and price, its $415 or 455 AUD (depending on battery) which includes GST and free shipping, so its really $369 or $405 AUD for non-AU residents (they don't pay GST) which is much significantly cheaper than the competition. Depending on your payment service, expect to pay 2-3% in currency changing fees to arrive at the delivered cost. The USD is very strong right now, so you get the most for the least.
    Good info. I will look into it. That pricing looks like a moving target though with the exchange rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettym1k3
    Holy crap, I didn't even know Exposure had a new Enduro MaXx-D out. That's insane!

    I love my Enduro Maxx that I bought almost exactly one year ago, and it's fantastic.

    I can't even fathom why you'd need 960 Lumens over the standard Enduro MaXx's 720 Lumens.

    But some people just need more, I supposed.
    There's a very good reason for the MaXx D... beam width. It is significantly wider and is quite a bit more usable at high speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Video... tempting. Then I wouldn't have to write so much.

    How is your Maxx D so far?
    Well you did do a short video about other Exposure Maxx lights.

    I really like my Maxx D so far, it's lighter than I thought it would be. I don't understand why the rear end cap stamping isn't aligned correctly though, mine is upside down. Seems like this is something the company could have easily controlled during construction of the lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Good info. I will look into it. That pricing looks like a moving target though with the exchange rates.

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    It would be most fair to list all lights in the same currency (USD) and then just put a footnote as most readers are too lazy to read the details and will pass up the great value simply because they think its $415 or 450 dollars rather than around $250 or 300 USD - ie much cheaper than the competition. Most of the other brands also don't including shipping in their prices either (though the CC exchange fee makes that difference about half as much).

    Its not a moving target if you list in AUD and explain check www.xe.com for current exchange rates. The 2-3% conversion fee is also fixed by your credit card company (I assume paypal also charges for it, not sure though?).
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    Francosis wrote: ( * about the HIDtech Lumen8R ).....Good info. I will look into it. That pricing looks like a moving target though with the exchange rates.
    Just give us the price in AUD and let us do the conversion. In the Lux shoot out, did you use the Triple version or the Quad Cree R-2 of the HIDtech Lumen8R ?? Wow!...I am really impressed with the Light On! 900 If it had a low and flash setting it would be almost perfect. Only two hours on high but WOW..is it Freaking bright or what! The BR Lights C2K is Awesome as well although it is much warmer in color. I can't find the link though that shows what this light looks like. ( edit: BR Lights link > http://www.brlights.com/index.html ) I wonder what LED they are using...MC-E K bin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Just give us the price in AUD and let us do the conversion. In the Lux shoot out, did you use the Triple version or the Quad Cree R-2 of the HIDtech Lumen8R ??
    Its the triple with Lipo. AUD would mislead if everything else is in USD as some people will miss the note (thats why you don't see any experiments were tables have mixed measurement units - bad/misleading format - really basic stuff they teach you in science class in grade school). There does need to be a note about the battery options as almost all the other brands use the cheaper lion batteries.

    Wow!...I am really impressed with the Light On! 900 If it had a low and flash setting it would be almost perfect. Only two hours on high but WOW..is it Freaking bright or what! The BR Lights C2K is Awesome as well although it is much warmer in color. I can't find the link though that shows what this light looks like. ( edit: BR Lights link > http://www.brlights.com/index.html ) I wonder what LED they are using...MC-E K bin?
    Light On! has two modes (50% and 100%) - http://lightonlights.com/product/ - note it uses standard protected 18650 cells - that means you can buy a spare set (or replacement cells) from DX for $20! FYI, the dial based control is on the battery holder. More info.

    BR Lights uses MCE K bin - sorry no link but I emailed them about it about a month ago or so. The beamshots here look more blue, maybe it was a fluke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti
    Its the triple with Lipo. AUD would mislead if everything else is in USD as some people will miss the note (thats why you don't see any experiments were tables have mixed measurement units - bad/misleading format - really basic stuff they teach you in science class in grade school). There does need to be a note about the battery options as almost all the other brands use the cheaper lion batteries.



    Light On! has two modes (50% and 100%) - http://lightonlights.com/product/ - note it uses standard protected 18650 cells - that means you can buy a spare set (or replacement cells) from DX for $20! FYI, the dial based control is on the battery holder. More info.

    BR Lights uses MCE K bin - sorry no link but I emailed them about it about a month ago or so. The beamshots here look more blue, maybe it was a fluke?
    Check your link again. The BR Lights C2K is very white. The photos of the bluer ones look to be different models. I think by next year you are going to see more two x MC-E lights being made. 1000 widely dispersed lumens makes an Awesome bar light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Check your link again. The BR Lights C2K is very white. The photos of the bluer ones look to be different models. I think by next year you are going to see more two x MC-E lights being made. 1000 widely dispersed lumens makes an Awesome bar light.
    I meant the brlights beamshot K looks bluer than the backyard K photo on mtbr, it looks yellow when you compare them.

    Answer from BRlights:

    They were taken with different cameras with different white balance settings. Also the shots on our site were taken facing a white wall, outdoor shots are going to tend to reflect a bit more yellow than a flat white wall (especially considering our shot is white balanced for the wall). If you compare the indoor C2.1-H shots from our blog to the ones on MTBR you’ll notice it looks more yellow in the MTBR shots as well for the same reason. The C2-K has a lot less blue tint to the light color and approximates daylight much better. The MTBR shots are a good representation of what to expect when using the C2-K outdoors.
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    I'll do the other graphs later.

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    Where did you get $430 for the Exposure Maxx D? Try $399 and currently $349 on sale.

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    Francois, I'm wondering if you're including the Lupine Tesla in this new review. If not, You should

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    wow the AYUPs have awesome runtime-weight figures!

    francois,
    i noticed that ayups are now 320 lumens instead of the 280 u've listed.

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    Thank you for all the corrections and suggestions so far.

    I just got the Tesla in my greedy little hands. I'll find one of them Cygolites too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois

    I just got the Tesla in my greedy little hands.

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    nice!! I think is a good option from Lupine, specially since the medium setting is really good and gives you 9 hours!! I love mine

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    2009 beam patterns added:
    http://www.mtbr.com/beamcomparisoncrx.aspx

    Ayup and Dinotte 400L reviews are up.
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/category/lights-shootout/

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    Francois, I checked the beamshots and the Seca looks really dim, are you sure it was on the high beam?
    Another surprise is the BR Lights C2K, which looks almost as bright as the 30W HID (does it in reality?). Competition is really heating up. Nice ;-)

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    Again, where do you get that the Exposure Maxx D cost $430? Its regular price is only $399.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radirpok
    Francois, I checked the beamshots and the Seca looks really dim, are you sure it was on the high beam?
    Another surprise is the BR Lights C2K, which looks almost as bright as the 30W HID (does it in reality?). Competition is really heating up. Nice ;-)
    Good observations.

    I will reshoot the Seca tonight with the Lupine Tesla just to triple check. I've ridden a bit with the Seca and it does seem brighter than that. It might camera shy.

    The BR Lights is interesting. It uses the new Cree lights with 4 LEDs in each circuit/reflector. So effectively, there's 8 LEDs in that thing. Run time goes down to 2.25 hours. The color is warmer than the rest too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resist
    Again, where do get that the Exposure Maxx D cost $430? Its regular price is only $399.
    I'll fix that.

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    Ok, the Light and Motion Seca photo was indeed wrong. It was not on the highest setting.

    Here's the corrected photo.
    From 12-16-2008 lights




    Here's the Lupine Tesla photo as well.
    From 12-16-2008 lights



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    Nice job Francois!

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    Wow, BR Lights with 1000 lumens, nice. And an upgrade from the previous model (410 lumens) to the 1000 is only $100 (email from BR Lights).

    I've been happy with my light set, though havent used them hardly as often as I'd expected.

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    TriNewt

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    2009 beam patterns added:
    http://www.mtbr.com/beamcomparisoncrx.aspx

    Ayup and Dinotte 300 reviews are up.
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/category/lights-shootout/

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    What do you think of the Niterider TriNewt system?
    1.Value
    2. Beam
    3. Overall appeal


    Thanks.

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    Thank You

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    My review is here.
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/niterid...newt-wireless/

    The system is very rugged, a bit heavy. The beam pattern is nice and wide.

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    Thanks for all the info

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcalchico
    What do you think of the Niterider TriNewt system?
    1.Value
    2. Beam
    3. Overall appeal


    Thanks.
    My review is here.
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/niterid...newt-wireless/

    The system is very rugged, a bit heavy. The beam pattern is nice and wide.

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    Come on Francois do a video review on the Exposure Maxx D, like you did with their other lights.

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    There are too many options. Someone decide for me

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    Quote from Paypal website re currency fees.

    ** If your transaction involves a currency conversion, it will be completed at a retail foreign exchange rate determined by PayPal, which is adjusted regularly based on market conditions. This exchange rate includes a 2.5% spread above the wholesale exchange rate at which PayPal obtains foreign currency, and the spread is retained by PayPal. The specific exchange rate that applies to your multiple currency transaction will be displayed at the time of the transaction.

    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti
    It would be most fair to list all lights in the same currency (USD) and then just put a footnote as most readers are too lazy to read the details and will pass up the great value simply because they think its $415 or 450 dollars rather than around $250 or 300 USD - ie much cheaper than the competition. Most of the other brands also don't including shipping in their prices either (though the CC exchange fee makes that difference about half as much).

    Its not a moving target if you list in AUD and explain check www.xe.com for current exchange rates. The 2-3% conversion fee is also fixed by your credit card company (I assume paypal also charges for it, not sure though?).

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    Dinotte 800L and Exposure MaXx D reviews are up:
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/category/lights-shootout/

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    NiteFLUX Photon Max got for $280 and sweet light!

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    Francois, You only have $300 to spend, what light to buy for trail riding?

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    Good to see the updates are coming thick and fast. Are you still planning to test the IBLAAST 2 and also maybe the Hope 4 LED.

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    Just wondering, but is the Airbike Everlight SL2 P7 going to get reviewed too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidtechnologies
    Quote from Paypal website re currency fees.

    ** If your transaction involves a currency conversion, it will be completed at a retail foreign exchange rate determined by PayPal, which is adjusted regularly based on market conditions. This exchange rate includes a 2.5% spread above the wholesale exchange rate at which PayPal obtains foreign currency, and the spread is retained by PayPal. The specific exchange rate that applies to your multiple currency transaction will be displayed at the time of the transaction.
    As to what was posted by syadasti...

    Originally Posted by syadasti
    ... The 2-3% conversion fee is also fixed by your credit card company (I assume paypal also charges for it, not sure though?).
    When I purchased my HID tech Lumen8R I had no idea I was going to be charged a fee from my credit card company for the currency conversion ( $25 USD ) ...Besides being a complete surprise.. ...It definitely took a bit of the sweetness off the deal I thought I was getting. But the thing that *issed me off the most is that it makes no sense. It is an electronic transaction. Everything is handled electronically. This is like being charged $10 for using your ATM card at a bank that's not your own.

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    Hi All,
    HIDTechnologies is open to all transactions to give customers the best deals.
    If anyone can think of a better way then I am happy to hear it.
    Paypal, Western Union, Telegraphic Transfer (probably the cheapest as it does not incur exchange rate costs but may cost you $10-20 for the transfer) etc

    Another option
    If someone acts as a US agent who can take financial transactions for me, receive commision and then pass the money across in one transaction once a month.

    I have also sent Francis a Lumen8r-LED Quad. 1000 lumens of light. He should receive before Christmas.

    Daniel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    As to what was posted by syadasti...



    When I purchased my HID tech Lumen8R I had no idea I was going to be charged a fee from my credit card company for the currency conversion ( $25 USD ) ...Besides being a complete surprise.. ...It definitely took a bit of the sweetness off the deal I thought I was getting. But the thing that *issed me off the most is that it makes no sense. It is an electronic transaction. Everything is handled electronically. This is like being charged $10 for using your ATM card at a bank that's not your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    But the thing that *issed me off the most is that it makes no sense. It is an electronic transaction. Everything is handled electronically. This is like being charged $10 for using your ATM card at a bank that's not your own.
    Anyone who travels or buys from overseas is familiar with exchange rates. Credit cards usually charge the lowest fees (some are zero, see articles below). Next up is banks which have posted buy and sell tables in their windows or lobby. Worst are third party exchangers (you see them at airports and tourist traps).

    Even with those exchange fees there isn't much competition at the price you'd pay for the HIDTech, it surpasses many charging almost twice as much. Its also well below sales tax - a lot of people buy those rip off mainstream light systems at their LBS. The price also includes international shipping so really the system is even cheaper - most of the prices posted in the roundup are without shipping.

    Here are a few articles:

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...exchange_N.htm

    http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index...reign_Exchange
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    Can you guys review the Cygolite Mitycross as it seems like a good night but is very cheap only 190( its only 30 more than the rover) for a 350lumen light with a lion battery that last 3,5 hours or this is what the manufacture says at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidtechnologies
    Hi All,
    HIDTechnologies is open to all transactions to give customers the best deals.
    If anyone can think of a better way then I am happy to hear it.
    Paypal, Western Union, Telegraphic Transfer (probably the cheapest as it does not incur exchange rate costs but may cost you $10-20 for the transfer) etc

    Daniel
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    I don't know how good Paypal's exchange rates are, but at least if the buyer uses Paypal, the charge appears on their credit card in the local currency. As mentioned elsewhere, paypal publishes its exchange rates daily, and they usually appear on the transaction screen. This is particularly useful if a bank has a high foreign currency fee.

    Tim
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    Quote Originally Posted by norcalchico
    Francois, You only have $300 to spend, what light to buy for trail riding?
    Because I like light weight, sleek design and a big beam pattern, I think I would stretch and go for the Exposure MaXx D at $349 on sale.

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    Seca, BR Lights C2-K, Light On 900, Trailtech are all up

    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/category/lights-shootout/

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Because I like light weight, sleek design and a big beam pattern, I think I would stretch and go for the Exposure MaXx D at $349 on sale.

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    Thanks for the info!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Because I like light weight, sleek design and a big beam pattern, I think I would stretch and go for the Exposure MaXx D at $349 on sale.

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    And they sponsor this mtbr forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti
    And they sponsor this mtbr forum
    I think 10 of the light manufacturers sponsor this forum and the light sections of mtbr. So I guess I'm biased if I picked any of them.

    Your comment is tasteless and tacky.

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