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    magicshine XM-L

    has anyone tried one of these yet ? looks like it would be good on the helmet . defiantly got a hot spot I'm thinking with one of Robs lenses it would be really good.
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    I've got 1 of these on order should be here soon ish but who knows!!

    http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...roductId=11226

    Tell me more about Rob's, Lenses.

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    Turveyd - Let us know what its like when you get it. I've got the kaidoman torch equiv. on order to see what the XM-L is like.

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    I've got 2 x P60 XML's so far and I'm REALLY impressed, they produce a big spot but a very bright big spot so with a larger reflector that should decrease the spot size and up the power of it for longer range work considerably

    Then add in that will be running a claimed 2400mah where as the P60's are likely running 1200ma based on the run time and it could be a serious bit of kit, for the money!!

    SOON hopefully!!

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    Hopefully kaidomain will be a bit faster than DealExtreme.

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    KD's generally faster around 2 weeks, DX is normally similar unless it's September - December time then it's 4 - 6 weeks!!

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    Just received a P60 XM-L drop in from DX. Brighter than the P7 P60 drop in. Very nice actually. 5 modes is a PITA. Has memory but turning torch on and off will often increment the mode. If only they would just have a 2 mode hi-lo setup.

    I've also machined down the stock orange peel P60 reflectors and that does have a good effect on broadening the spot:



    See my article on the P60 to Vista Light Adapters I have made for more info.

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    Hey Rakuman
    We have been testing the MJ-808E's for a while now. I ran 2 lastnight on a 5 hr MTB ride, one on the bars and one on the helmet, runtime for one XM-L on an OLS 8.7Ah pack is about 5.5 hrs (2 hrs 40 mins on a 4.5). Not enough flood on the bars for me for singletrack but still effective due to the overall output, perfect for helmet. I had them both on the bars on a road bike over the weekend, one on high and the other on flash, very impressive for the road, you see signs reflecting your light a mile down the road. Have done some testing with Rob's lenses as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
    has anyone tried one of these yet ? looks like it would be good on the helmet . defiantly got a hot spot I'm thinking with one of Robs lenses it would be really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN
    Hey Rakuman
    We have been testing the MJ-808E's for a while now. I ran 2 lastnight on a 5 hr MTB ride, one on the bars and one on the helmet, runtime for one XM-L on an OLS 8.7Ah pack is about 5.5 hrs (2 hrs 40 mins on a 4.5). Not enough flood on the bars for me for singletrack but still effective due to the overall output, perfect for helmet. I had them both on the bars on a road bike over the weekend, one on high and the other on flash, very impressive for the road, you see signs reflecting your light a mile down the road. Have done some testing with Rob's lenses as well.
    The XM-Ls look like there is a lot of potential there, did the hotspot washout the trail at anytime? that's why I was thinking of Rob and one of his lenses to tone it down just a tad.
    Any idea if you will be selling these ?
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    The XM-L has tested well in the MJ-808 lighthead so far. The MJ-808E XM-L lighthead is the big brother to the P7, the beam pattern is so similar to the very successful P7 but hotspot larger and more intense, halo is brighter and the throw is excellent.

    When paired with the diffuser lenses it really spreads the light around for handlebar mounting as well but out of the box the MJ-808E is ideal for a single light user to helmet mount, excellent for roadies who want the throw for riding at 30mph. We also noticed when running 2 of these on open fast singletrack they worked nicely as a pair, one on the bars and one on the helmet, tighter switchback singletrack would be easier with a flood style pattern on the bars and the MJ-808E on the helmet. Really nice efficiency as well, 2hrs 40 runtime on high on a standard GMG or OLS 4.5Ah battery pack. We have provided feedback to Magicshine on the samples and we are discussing orders based on a couple of items we suggested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
    The XM-Ls look like there is a lot of potential there, did the hotspot washout the trail at anytime? that's why I was thinking of Rob and one of his lenses to tone it down just a tad.
    Any idea if you will be selling these ?
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    Magic Shine, Helmet and Head mount ( Hill Walking ) are here and the longer lead, just waiting on that KD Torch / Light, here and charged for Thursdays night ride would be nice.

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    I ordered from him. His name is Chris and he's local to San Diego. Nice guy. I would recommend ordering from him if you want it fast, he has an in with FedEX.

    http://bikeempowerment.com/Magicshine.html

    I also order one of the XML Kadioman $25 torches. They forgot the batteries I ordered and it took 4 weeks. I really like the torch. I'll do a review of the Magic Shine XM-L and the Kadioman XM-L torch if you guys are interested. I still can't believe how much light these things put out. It's right up there with my $350 HID Search light. The HID lens is more concentrated, but I think the XM-L LED's throw more light. I guess I should look into lenses for the XML units. Who has a link for them?

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    Yes pls, Lorenz, waiting on the KD version of the XM-L MS, basically your torch with a seperate battery pack and hopefully more ma's ( unless yours runs 2 cells )

    2 1/2 weeks here, no idea if it's shipped, in stock bla bla, I want my toys

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    Mine shipped from DX today I haven't had a MS light before but this is going to be compared to my current AyUp setup and then I'll decide whether it's a backup light or whether it earns more frequent usage.

    Ordered just over a week ago, maybe 8 days or so to shipping from ordering but that included Easter so not too bad. Now just gotta wait and see how long postage takes to Oz.

    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mj-808e...-4x18650-57100
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    Now having personally seen one of these XM-L s compared to the P7 in my backyard there is no comparison XM-Ls are blinding good light. cannot wait to get it on the trail
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    Lokishare - with one of my mates having added an old magicshine to his ay up setup I doubt you'll take it off! He added it to his bars, not sure if I would bother with ayups except for burntime if I wanted a magicshine as a helmet light.

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    there's a tear down thread on the DIY lights forum that might be of interest. Sounds like it has very good throw and brighter than the P7 MS, but built with the same underspecced crap parts that the original MS was. Even if you bought it and ran it 'til it broke, then upgraded the driver, it'd still be a pretty good buy.

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    Turveyd, any sign of your light yet?

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    Sorry, couldn't find this thread, it turned up yesterday finally.

    It's actually very nice, more powerful than 2 x P60 XML torches, nice blue tint which I like, gets very hot stationary but fine when moving at all.

    It's quite a wide beam so you do lose some distance wise, but not badly.

    Reflector could be better, looks glued in won't come out so I can try to find another but hey, what do you expect for $60

    Beams wide enough to work on the bars without an issue to.

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    Just got the kaidomain $25 XM-L torch. Its much brighter than the XM-L dealextreme P60 drop in. Amazing value for money when you think how much light you get for $25 delivered. It has a pretty intense spot and plenty of spill.

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    My DX magicshine XML turned up today, brief testing in the bathroom (no windows) - looks brighter than my AyUps... will post back with another report after some more testing once it gets dark!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokisare
    My DX magicshine XML turned up today, brief testing in the bathroom (no windows) - looks brighter than my AyUps... will post back with another report after some more testing once it gets dark!
    Good to hear, I have one on order as well.
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    Been using my MS XM-L for a couple rides now I love it compared to the P7 magicshines its not a huge difference but defiantly noticeable.. very spotty, its a good helmet light
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    MS XM-L is more spotty, hmmmm shame 1 I got is more of a Mid, huge output though, great head mounted for slow / technical stuff likely work very well on the bars to.

    MS for my head / This other cheaper version for my bars, could be the way forward.

    Or just BOTH on my head

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    Its got as much spill as the P7 but that intense hotspot is why I call it more spotty. I was thinking of trying one of these lenses on one for the bar http://cgi.ebay.com/Wide-Angle-Lens-...item45f9ea505e
    check these beamshots http://bikeempowerment.com/PHOTOS/TESTING.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
    but defiantly noticeable..
    Sounds dangerous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus_XXIV
    Sounds dangerous...
    We can always count on your wisdom
    So how is that foride working for you I was thinking about trying one?
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    Quick update: I took the MS XML out for the first time the other night, well it was more dusk than night and I only really needed it in the last 20 mins or so of the ride but first impressions are pretty good. At close range it doesn't seem a whole lot brighter than my updated AyUp (narrow helmet beam) but once you angle the light a bit further out it seems to have considerably more throw (ie. lights up stuff a greater distance away). I had it on the bars and didn't find it too spotty as the peripheral light around the centre spot is still pretty bright.

    Trouble is that because it's brighter than they Ayup when the bars aren't pointing ahead due to curves in the trail, the AyUp helmet light seems insignificant. I guess the brighter light should be helmet mounted but AyUp still beat MS on their compact design, mounts and smaller battery for helmet mounting.

    The light unit was warm but not hot at the end, similar to the AyUp (which was on my helmet).

    Going to test it out in a 24 hour this weekend so should have some proper night lap reports after that.

    p.s I can see a new MS light is out with several XLM lights at 1600 or 1800 lumens! Looks like a nice compact package so maybe that's the ideal helmet light... however a bit pricey at the moment compared to the XML (edit the new ones aren't XML and are twice the price of the MJ808E which I have... doesn't seem worth it at the moment but will watch the reviews with interest)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
    Its got as much spill as the P7 but that intense hotspot is why I call it more spotty. I was thinking of trying one of these lenses on one for the bar http://cgi.ebay.com/Wide-Angle-Lens-...item45f9ea505e
    check these beamshots http://bikeempowerment.com/PHOTOS/TESTING.html
    Thanks for the links to my website and the flood lens, I just ordered one to test as I'm looking to add flood lenses to my site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman
    We can always count on your wisdom
    So how is that foride working for you I was thinking about trying one?
    First time anyone accused me of that...

    I really like the Foride. Extremely bright and still chugging along. I find that I run it one down from high most of the time because high washes out the road a bit. I also run a 700 lumen helmet light for redundancy.

    My biggest complaint is that the light is pretty big compared to the MS lights. Not a huge issue though.

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    24 race update:

    I used the MS on my helmet for one lap and then on the bars for two combined both times with AyUps. It's probably better off as a helmet simply because it's brighter than my AyUps and I feel the brighter light should be helmet mounted, it's also got better throw and I find that better on the helmet.

    I got just almost exactly 3 hours out of the battery on 100% output but ran it totally dead doing that. The indicator switch went to blue within the first hour (on my helmet so can't say exactly when) then orange in the second hour sometime and was red for last 15-20 mins before the light cut out.

    Charging from completely flat took maybe 4 (ish) hours, the charger and the battery stay cool while charging.

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    Geomans got XM-Ls

    I went to Geomans site lastnight to pickup a P7 lighthead for my kid and "what did I see a XM-L looking" up at me" well it was a no brainer for 10 bucks more than the P7 of course I got the XM-L .
    I've been waiting for Geoman to get these before I bought any more purely because of his customer service and coming thru with the recalled batteries.
    I am pretty sure he has got rid of any first run bugs also,cause I asked him a while back and he said he wouldn't carry these until they had them dialed in.
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    Rakuman, good choice on the XML model.

    Not sure if you intend on using it as a helmet spot solely. The beam pattern is more focussed and has much sharper cutoff compared with its MJ-808 P7 brother.

    Still, I would not hesitate to run 2 of these on the bars, each with RSchultz soft(flood) lenses if you already have something else for the lid. With the naked eye, the difference compared to P7 is obvious.

    Given the choice I'd use the XMLs as a flood with Robs soft lens AND as a spot without. A step up from the regular MJ-808 for either application ceteris paribus.

    EDIT

    I wasn't able to find the water proof rating for the XML model on the site - do you know what it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Rakuman, good choice on the XML model.

    Not sure if you intend on using it as a helmet spot solely. The beam pattern is more focussed and has much sharper cutoff compared with its MJ-808 P7 brother.

    Still, I would not hesitate to run 2 of these on the bars, each with RSchultz soft(flood) lenses if you already have something else for the lid. With the naked eye, the difference compared to P7 is obvious.

    Given the choice I'd use the XMLs as a flood with Robs soft lens AND as a spot without. A step up from the regular MJ-808 for either application ceteris paribus.
    Wow Chromagftw you and I think alike I already have Robs soft lens and another XM-L and I am planning on trying exactly what you proposed, I am also going to try a wide lens spot combo also to compare. I will keep you informed
    last night Geomans statement above about seeing stop signs a mile down road came true no sh*t I could not believe my eyes I kept seeing this flash way in the distance and sure enough it was my light reflecting off a stop sign close to a mile away.
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    Anyone know if the mode sequences on the Geoman XM-L model is different from the D/X
    version?? I've been thinking of getting one of these for a while now. D/X is cheaper but GM has the good battery. For me the issue is mode sequence. I like the mode sequence that GM is advertising. If the DX is the same I just might op for the DX version ( as I have other good batteries )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Anyone know if the mode sequences on the Geoman XM-L model is different from the D/X
    version?? I've been thinking of getting one of these for a while now. D/X is cheaper but GM has the good battery. For me the issue is mode sequence. I like the mode sequence that GM is advertising. If the DX is the same I just might op for the DX version ( as I have other good batteries )
    The one I have now Deal extremes or CEPs has 3 mode High, Low, Strobe, PITA, I like Geomans sequence better,
    I have been talking to Geoman about this light since it came out and he did not like the original so he had them change a few things until they got it right, I will compare the two lights when I get Geomans and let you know , XM-Ls are the future of lights to come you just have to control all that heat and power consumption, it was 80 degrees last night when I started my ride so I had to keep it on low until I got really moving having a medium setting will be nice. I cannot wait to try 2 on the bars with the different lenses
    He also has it lighthead only option I think these are going to go fast
    http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?...roducts_id=305
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    The one I have now Deal extremes or CEPs has 3 mode High, Low, Strobe, PITA, I like Geomans sequence better,
    I have been talking to Geoman about this light since it came out and he did not like the original so he had them change a few things until they got it right, I will compare the two lights when I get Geomans and let you know , XM-Ls are the future of lights to come you just have to control all that heat and power consumption, it was 80 degrees last night when I started my ride so I had to keep it on low until I got really moving having a medium setting will be nice. I cannot wait to try 2 on the bars with the different lenses
    He also has it lighthead only option I think these are going to go fast
    http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?...roducts_id=305
    Kudo's to Geoman. Hard to believe he got them to change the mode programing. Normally I would not worry too much about the mode changes for a bar light but for a helmet lamp the issue is much more important. The less time you spend with your hand on your helmet changing modes the better. Looks like it might cost about $50+shipping more than the D/X but for the extra money you get three more things: Better modes, a Much better battery and ( need I say ) the much better Geoman Service.

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    Idea!

    If somebody is looking for the beam-shot's they are available on my website, some time ago I wrote short review to compare Magicshine MJ-808 Updated & MJ-808E Cree XM-L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominik.M View Post
    If somebody is looking for the beam-shot's they are available on my website, some time ago I wrote short review to compare Magicshine MJ-808 Updated & MJ-808E Cree XM-L
    Thanks for the linky Dominik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Kudo's to Geoman. Hard to believe he got them to change the mode programing.
    Honestly I don't know what they changed on Geomans behalf if anything, but they changed the modes it for some reason or another, I'm getting mine today I will compare and see if I can figure out what if anything other than modes are different could just have been quality control issues who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Honestly I don't know what they changed on Geomans behalf if anything, but they changed the modes it for some reason or another, I'm getting mine today I will compare and see if I can figure out what if anything other than modes are different could just have been quality control issues who knows.
    Yep, I couldn't pass it up so I ordered one of the light heads last night.. Should have it by next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Yep, I couldn't pass it up so I ordered one of the light heads last night.. Should have it by next week.
    With that RaylV on the bars and the MS XM-L on your head will make a killer combo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    With that RaylV on the bars and the MS XM-L on your head will make a killer combo
    I do have that combo. It works very well as a package. I have yet to try that on trail but very effective on the street. My MS XML was bought from Bike Empowerment. The only thing I don't like is the color difference. The BR IV is very white and cool while the MS XML hovers between neutral and cool. The spot from the MS XML is like a yellow dot around a flood of white light from the BR IV. Not sure what color retention will Geoman MS XML will be like. Hopefully it is more toward the cool white.

    I used a flat 3 amp hr polymer pack from battery space. It was light enough to be helmet mounted with the MS XML also. The battery last 2hrs 10min.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    I do have that combo. It works very well as a package. I have yet to try that on trail but very effective on the street. My MS XML was bought from Bike Empowerment. The only thing I don't like is the color difference. The BR IV is very white and cool while the MS XML hovers between neutral and cool. The spot from the MS XML is like a yellow dot around a flood of white light from the BR IV. Not sure what color retention will Geoman MS XML will be like. Hopefully it is more toward the cool white.

    I used a flat 3 amp hr polymer pack from battery space. It was light enough to be helmet mounted with the MS XML also. The battery last 2hrs 10min
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    I have two XM-L torches. One is a nice neutral white the other is likely cool white and has a tinge of blueness to the beam. I prefer neutral white.

    I am thinking of building my own mini battery for helmet mounting. I will use either a 2 x 18650 cell holder or like you go with a lite-weight polymer pack ( something like this )

    Colleen, if you don't like the color of the light you might try replacing the XM-L with an XM-L "U-bin". Personally I have no issues blending the different beam tints as long as they are bright.

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    Well I got to take out Geomans new version and compare it to CEPs Bike Impowerments or shall I say Deal extremes version, they have made noticeable improvements besides modes
    Like Colleen said Deal extremes has a neutral tint to it, Geomans Is more white,
    The most noticeable is the intense hot spot ring on Deal extremes has been softened and made wider on the Geomans version its a more useful pattern and would be acceptable for the handle bars. I would use the deal extremes only on my head because the hot spot was so intense and spotty.
    I don't know how they made these changes everything including the Leds look the same visually but I like them
    I'm sure you lose a little throw by toning down the hotpot but its not noticeable and well worth it, there is no way you can outrun these lights anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Well I got to take out Geomans new version and compare it to CEPs Bike Impowerments or shall I say Deal extremes version, they have made noticeable improvements besides modes
    Like Colleen said Deal extremes has a neutral tint to it, Geomans Is more white,
    The most noticeable is the intense hot spot ring on Deal extremes has been softened and made wider on the Geomans version its a more useful pattern and would be acceptable for the handle bars. I would use the deal extremes only on my head because the hot spot was so intense and spotty.
    I don't know how they made these changes everything including the Leds look the same visually but I like them
    I'm sure you lose a little throw by toning down the hotpot but its not noticeable and well worth it, there is no way you can outrun these lights anyway
    Oh NO! ...but I wanted the intense hot spot! For me it's like the "rock, paper, scissors" thing. Better mode pattern trumps cost but beam pattern trumps modes. I'll cross my fingers and hope the beam pattern is still what I want for the helmet. If not I might be able to switch out reflectors with my C-8 torch if the reflectors are the same diameter/length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I have two XM-L torches. One is a nice neutral white the other is likely cool white and has a tinge of blueness to the beam. I prefer neutral white.

    I am thinking of building my own mini battery for helmet mounting. I will use either a 2 x 18650 cell holder or like you go with a lite-weight polymer pack ( something like this )

    Colleen, if you don't like the color of the light you might try replacing the XM-L with an XM-L "U-bin". Personally I have no issues blending the different beam tints as long as they are bright.


    That polymer you listed is the same packed I used and mounted on the back of my helmet to balance the MS xml. It is relatively small and lightweight. The pack did not seem so water resistant so I also bought some 2.68 (68mm) shrink wrap from them and the barrel connector. Unfortuantely the connector don't have hood sleeve which makes it more water seal but I ended up using a super size straw slipped over the connector. That battery is much smaller and lighter than the GMG pack although a Dinotte 2 cell works well also as this photo shows.

    The runtime from the that polymer pack versus the Dinotte and 2 x 18650 cell is interesting. While the BS pack gave me 2hr 10min, 2 x AW 18650 protected 2900 mah cell yield only 1hr 45min with the MS xml I got when I bench tested those. Don't recall the Dinotte pack but I think it was in the vincinity of 1hr 10min. So it seem that the BS 3000 mah polymer has the best runtime per mah listed. What really shameful is I also test the MS XML with 2 x 18650 ultrafire 3600 mah cell, those only lasted about 40 min of runtime before shutting down. The battery was really warm telling me the IR of the cell are just too high during heavy current draw

    I may just leave my XML led alone and not change to the U bin. The warmer tint does have an positive effect when lighting up object with color such as brush, tree and grass. I need to try it on a trail and compare that warmer tint in comparison to my Jetbeam XML which has a much cooler tint to see which one I like for trail and not road. If so, I will keep the warmer MS xml for trail use only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Oh NO! ...but I wanted the intense hot spot! For me it's like the "rock, paper, scissors" thing. Better mode pattern trumps cost but beam pattern trumps modes. I'll cross my fingers and hope the beam pattern is still what I want for the helmet. If not I might be able to switch out reflectors with my C-8 torch if the reflectors are the same diameter/length.
    Oh no don't mistake my saying its softened by its gone, its still intense. they just smoothed it out so when you look at something 10 feet in front of you it does not wash it out. which the old one would sometimes do. its one of those got to see to kind of things I'm not real good at explaining things.
    Its way spotty still. before you had a defined edge ring hotspot kind of like a bullseye on a target, with the rest of the target radiating spill, they just made it smoother on the edges of the bulleye and a little bigger by maybe 5% Its still primarily a spot just smoother and better in my opinion. I think you wont be disappointed
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    I am thinking of building my own mini battery for helmet mounting. I will use either a 2 x 18650 cell holder or like you go with a lite-weight polymer pack ( something like this )




    Is that the same connector as the Magicshine. Can't tell but it looks like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    I am thinking of building my own mini battery for helmet mounting. I will use either a 2 x 18650 cell holder or like you go with a lite-weight polymer pack ( something like this )




    Is that the same connector as the Magicshine. Can't tell but it looks like it.
    No that is a typical BatterySpace two prong connector. If I used this battery I would purchase some extra MagicShine type connectors and convert the battery over to the MS type plug. ( or just make a two plug converter extension. ) What ever makes the most sense depending on what charger I want to use.

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    Here Cat this ones for you

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    Thanks Rakuman. The beam pattern looks pretty much the same. I think the difference is that the GM version is just brighter so more residual light around the hot spot. Regardless I think the GM version wins!

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    I think you are right looking at the pics Geos is brighter with more residual spill which in turn the further out its pointed the wider the spill seems. I will try to get some longer distance pics soon.
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    Hey Rakuman, thanks for sharing beam shots. Cree has done an amazing job developing the XM-L led, it's unbelievably powerful, the throw on that Magicshine XM-L is awesome.

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    I think you are right looking at the pics Geos is brighter with more residual spill which in turn the further out its pointed the wider the spill seems. I will try to get some longer distance pics soon.
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    Geoman,
    I just got my Geoman MS XM-L light head tonight and yes this is one bright little light. I can't wait to try it out on the trails. Now I know I only ordered the light head but it would of been nice if that order had included a couple O-rings or at least just one. Without an O-ring you have no way to use it.

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    Hey Cat, we generally include a set of o'rings with each lighthead, they must have been omitted accidently, email your order number to geoman@geomangear.com and we'll send a set out to you. Thanks

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    I just got my Geoman MS XM-L light head tonight and yes this is one bright little light. I can't wait to try it out on the trails. Now I know I only ordered the light head but it would of been nice if that order had included a couple O-rings or at least just one. Without an O-ring you have no way to use it.
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    Chromagftw This ones for you,,
    This should be good real good If its not to late I will try to take some beam shots tonight after my ride if this works I going to have to get another for the helmet, tonight I will have to be satisfied with P7 up top.

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    OK took her for a spin tonight and was a little disappointing the clear lens worked as it should like a p7 on steriods NICE! but the Robs Soft lens loses way to much intensity further than 25 feet.. oh well time to try some more different lenses. going to try a wide lens and I'm going to sandblast a few different patterns in some lenses I want a good flood any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GEOMAN View Post
    Hey Cat, we generally include a set of o'rings with each lighthead, they must have been omitted accidently, email your order number to geoman@geomangear.com and we'll send a set out to you. Thanks
    Thanks Geoman, I knew I could count on you.

    Right now I have the MS XM-L mounted on my old Dinotte 200L helmet mount. Seems to be working pretty good although I might need an O-ring that is a little tighter to cut down wobble. I still need the O-rings for bar mounting though just in case I want to try that as well. I still haven't had a chance to really get a good look at the beam pattern outside. Hopefully tomorrow I will get home from work early and have a good look-see.

    So far this looks like a great value. I don't how you got them to change the mode sequence but major, major Kudos and one tip of the hat. Heck, even the low mode on this light has decent throw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    I think you are right looking at the pics Geos is brighter with more residual spill which in turn the further out its pointed the wider the spill seems. I will try to get some longer distance pics soon.
    I got the chance tonight to flash the Geoman Magicshine XM-L around tonight while doing my job. Whoa! but this light is impressive!. It doesn't quite have the narrow throw pattern that my Kaidomain C-8 torch has but it looks like it will reach and give good usable visibility into the 175-200ft range. Like you said, the beam pattern widens the more farther out you point it.

    Still, I can't help thinking that it wouldn't be real hard for someone with machining skills to make a front adapter that would allow it to use the C-8 reflector. It would only need to be another inch or so longer but I suppose it would add a bit of weight to the light head. Anyway, with C-8 reflector it would be a total throw monster. ( I'll try to get a beam pic comparison of the reflectors at a later date )

    Anyway, just my initial impressions. I see lots of potential for this light. More on that when I finally get a couple rides under my belt while using it.

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    Thanks a ton Rakuman for running that test setup!

    I'm sorry to hear Robs soft lens didnt work out as well as we had wanted with the XML, but I have to believe it is still better than the MS900 P7 with that exact lens... I might be wrong however as I am unable to do a side by side comparison.

    Good that you have some ideas up your sleeve....

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    Well I got my first ride tonight under my belt with the MS 808E on the helmet. I was very impressed with the beam pattern. Yeah, I could still wish for more throw in certain situations but for most of the stuff I ride it's almost perfect. To be more precise if you're riding trails that weave, are wide with lots of hard turns that have boo-koo hidden obstacles....This is the light you want on your helmet. Now for an all-out-no-holds-bar downhill run with lots of straightaways you could wish for a little more throw ( however I've yet to test it in that kind of situation. Maybe later this week if the rain stays away )

    So far my only complaint is that it doesn't have memory. If you turn it off while on low, when you turn it back on it comes on in high. Still, It has 3 usable modes with a circular pattern ( H-M-L-H-M-L....) that I absolutely love. I can deal with the lack of memory. Besides most of these lights don't have memory anyway. Lastly, it looks like it works real well with the DiNotte helmet mount and is easy to adjust on the fly. The only thing left to do is to try to buy a battery that I can helmet mount as well.

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    Do you know which reflector came in the the new XM-L? Is it the same as the P7 light head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    ...I don't how you got them to change the mode sequence but major, major Kudos and one tip of the hat.
    Uh, they didn't.

    Magicshine came out with a new driver back in September, 2010, along with the whiter, brighter D bin P7. This was the model MJ-808.

    The XML is the MJ-808E, with same driver/control sequence/housing/reflector/battery/charger, only difference is LED.

    So, its been H-M-L for going on a year now, for all MS900 MJ-808s sold everywhere, not just Geoman. GMG had nothing to do with it.

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    Ok Ive been playing DIY tonight and Rob might not like this but I hacked up one of his lenses to see what if we get rid of all this plastic will it improve the intensity and throw judge for yourself




    Robs lens on first test I had this one before he started adding a reflector to them, I had cut off the tabs so they would fit in a stock MS reflector then I fire polished after taking this picture



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    Thin cut modification

    I would like to see a even thinner version and maybe clearer if possible Rob if you are listening think you maybe can make some of these up
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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker View Post
    Uh, they didn't.

    Magicshine came out with a new driver back in September, 2010, along with the whiter, brighter D bin P7. This was the model MJ-808.

    The XML is the MJ-808E, with same driver/control sequence/housing/reflector/battery/charger, only difference is LED.

    So, its been H-M-L for going on a year now, for all MS900 MJ-808s sold everywhere, not just Geoman. GMG had nothing to do with it.
    Interesting theory, just one minor problems - the MJ808 I brought from deal extreme 3 months ago has high, low, flash, as does the XML version

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Ok Ive been playing DIY tonight and Rob might not like this but I hacked up one of his lenses to see what if we get rid of all this plastic will it improve the intensity and throw judge for yourself

    I would like to see a even thinner version and maybe clearer if possible Rob if you are listening think you maybe can make some of these up
    I'm not suggesting people start hacking up Robs lenses
    Nice job Rakuman!

    Definitely a noticeable improvement in intensity, throw and spill wise. Such a lens offering without the cone base would also work great in larger light heads as the BD Stryker.

    I'd be very interested in several of these for sure.

    With a thin cut version (if uniformly thin from center through outer circumference) there might (?) be in issue with the lens rattling between the light head's main body and front screw on housing. I'm pretty sure a double instead of a single o-ring could fix this though.
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    And then theres its good looking younger brother the 868

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    Znomit, not too sure about the durability and heat dissipation capacity of those light head bodies - based on pics alone it looks like cheap plastic...

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    I have decided (begrudgingly) to purchase another MS lightset while I wait for my recall replacements.

    What is the collective opinion re: the MS 900 vs 1000 XM-L?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skankingbiker View Post
    I have decided (begrudgingly) to purchase another MS lightset while I wait for my recall replacements.

    What is the collective opinion re: the MS 900 vs 1000 XM-L?
    1000 all the way but make sure you get the 6.0 battery they do suck the juice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    1000 all the way but make sure you get the 6.0 battery the do suck the juice
    I agree, go with the XM-L. Aren't they spec'd to be more efficient than the p7, so in theory shouldn't you get better runtime with the 4.5ah battery than you would with the original p7 lighthead?

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    I do not know the reason why they use so much juice maybe because the drive them so hard, they sure get hot fast maybe someone who knows will chime in.
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    Notice this now you can see the roof line 2 houses down that's about 130" throw is much improved


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    The XML is driven harder than the 808 P7. As I recall a quickie test I did of the current draw at the battery (not led), the result was low 1.4 amp from the P7 and high end of 1.5 amps (closer to 1.6 amps) from the XML. However the lux also relate to the amount of light. I set up a ceiling bounce test where I got a 37 lux reading from the MJ808 P7 and the MJ808E XML yielded 63 lux.

    They probably could have driven the led lower and get the same runtime as the old P7, but will it be much more noticable brighter? I'm guessing if the older P7 OTF lumen is 500 to 600, then the XML is close to 700 to 800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    The XML is driven harder than the 808 P7. As I recall a quickie test I did of the current draw at the battery (not led), the result was low 1.4 amp from the P7 and high end of 1.5 amps (closer to 1.6 amps) from the XML. However the lux also relate to the amount of light. I set up a ceiling bounce test where I got a 37 lux reading from the MJ808 P7 and the MJ808E XML yielded 63 lux.

    They probably could have driven the led lower and get the same runtime as the old P7, but will it be much more noticable brighter? I'm guessing if the older P7 OTF lumen is 500 to 600, then the XML is close to 700 to 800.
    I agree with Colleen's findings out on the trail, as far lumen output on the XM-L. I would add that the color temperature of the LED (at least the one I received) is considerably cooler than the Baja Designs Strykr MC-E that I am used to. Luckily color preference is a matter of personal opinion - for that reason I'll keep my opinion to myself.

    I have my own thoughts (one of my thoughts was "rad") on the MS XM-L but obviously I can't be completely objective. Does anyone out there have a Baja Designs Strykr and an MS XM-L they can compare out on the trail? I say out on trail because I don't believe in strictly backyard testing, I don't think you get a full feel of a systems capability from the safety of the porch. I am very curious as to what you guys think.

    I do realize they are a little bit apple and orange, (the Strykr a 700 lumen system vs. the claimed 1000 of the MS light) but from a consumer/rider's point of view I would like to hear what you guys think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BajaDesignsShannon View Post
    I agree with Colleen's findings out on the trail, as far lumen output on the XM-L. I would add that the color temperature of the LED (at least the one I received) is considerably cooler than the Baja Designs Strykr MC-E that I am used to. Luckily color preference is a matter of personal opinion - for that reason I'll keep my opinion to myself.

    I have my own thoughts (one of my thoughts was "rad") on the MS XM-L but obviously I can't be completely objective. Does anyone out there have a Baja Designs Strykr and an MS XM-L they can compare out on the trail? I say out on trail because I don't believe in strictly backyard testing, I don't think you get a full feel of a systems capability from the safety of the porch. I am very curious as to what you guys think.

    I do realize they are a little bit apple and orange, (the Strykr a 700 lumen system vs. the claimed 1000 of the MS light) but from a consumer/rider's point of view I would like to hear what you guys think.
    Sorry Guys for not getting you beamshots from the trail I'm not the type of guy who carry's a camera and will stop to take a bunch of beamshots.while I am on my ride time on the trail is more important to me. My backyard comparisons shots will have to do. Shannon stop trying to make a sales pitch on a MS thread: just kidding Shannon you are always the salesman ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Sorry Guys for not getting you beamshots from the trail I'm not the type of guy who carry's a camera and will stop to take a bunch of beamshots.while I am on my ride time on the trail is more important to me. My backyard comparisons shots will have to do. Shannon stop trying to make a sales pitch on a MS thread: just kidding Shannon you are always the salesman ..
    Haaah!! Just...can't...stop...

    I really do want to know, the one I have (MS) was a very cool color (white with a tinge of blue) and I am wondering if they are all the same. Doesn't really matter I suppose, it's still a sweet little light. Love ya Rakuman! (not in the Biblical sense)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BajaDesignsShannon View Post
    Haaah!! Just...can't...stop...

    I really do want to know, the one I have (MS) was a very cool color (white with a tinge of blue) and I am wondering if they are all the same. Doesn't really matter I suppose, it's still a sweet little light. Love ya Rakuman! (not in the Biblical sense)

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    Do you have the 3 mode or the 4 mode model? the 4 mode is noticeably whiter in tint and a bit brighter I all the pics I took above with the flood lens were with the 3 mode model I should try it with the brighter one and see how it looks. ? Shannon an another thread you mentioned that Rob was working on some lenses for your BD lights do they also have the thick cones on them I personally think all that plastic eats up alot of light and if he just made a thin flood lens would solve that. Oh ya right back at Ya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Do you have the 3 mode or the 4 mode model? the 4 mode is noticeably whiter in tint and a bit brighter I all the pics I took above with the flood lens were with the 3 mode model I should try it with the brighter one and see how it looks. ? Shannon an another thread you mentioned that Rob was working on some lenses for your BD lights do they also have the thick cones on them I personally think all that plastic eats up alot of light and if he just made a thin flood lens would solve that. Oh ya right back at Ya

    I got the 3 mode model from GM, it is a nice bright little thing - very white with just a tinge of blue, I like it.

    Rob is working on something for the Strykr Pro. I agree with you, the TIR is something that is (nearly) bullet proof and was part of a military/off-road racing project, as such it is VERY tough but not the most efficient light transferring lens in the world. I much prefer a reflector and clear lens for punching light out. Hey Rob...any word on that aftermarket reflector??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    .... I personally think all that plastic eats up alot of light and if he just made a thin flood lens would solve that. Oh ya right back at Ya
    Rakuman, I agree. I like what you did with the flood lens. The result is much better than the original. Like Shannon I much prefer a proper designed reflector. Since you seem to be dead set on running two 808E's on the bars, your solution looks pretty good for the time being.

    Now a while back there was a thread and someone had a link to an optic that was usable on a P-7/MC-E for providing more flood. Don't know what it would do with an XM-L. No time to look for the thread or link right now, off to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Rakuman, I agree. I like what you did with the flood lens. The result is much better than the original. Like Shannon I much prefer a proper designed reflector. Since you seem to be dead set on running two 808E's on the bars, your solution looks pretty good for the time being.

    Now a while back there was a thread and someone had a link to an optic that was usable on a P-7/MC-E for providing more flood. Don't know what it would do with an XM-L. No time to look for the thread or link right now, off to work.
    Actually I am getting a little obsessed with trying to make it a good single light bar lens Here is tonights experiment I have a glass lens on top to simulate having a clear center should get all that XM-L throw but a ton of floody spill it looks pretty good on my studio wall we will see tonight
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    After watching this thread for awhile I decided to order one of the magicshine XM-L lights with a 6ah geoman battery before I sent my only MS batery in for recall. So here's by side by side, real world, seat of the pants first impression. The XM-L is considerable brighter even on the med. setting than the P-7 on high. I shitched batteries to make sure my aging battery didn't cause some of the difference but there was no change. I've seen some posts writing about the shorter run times of the XM-Ls and using Geomans estimated run times for a 6ah battery you should get 5.25 hrs. on the brighter XM-l set on med. compared to 4.25 hrs. to the P-7 set on high.. Thought this was worth sharing. MRMOLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    Actually I am getting a little obsessed with trying to make it a good single light bar lens Here is tonights experiment I have a glass lens on top to simulate having a clear center should get all that XM-L throw but a ton of floody spill it looks pretty good on my studio wall we will see tonight
    Well field tested this ^ setup by itself on the bars on some good singletrack much better than original but still not the intensity or throw I'm looking for so far fail

    So back to the drawing board I'm done trying to modify Robs lenses so I figured i would try modifying a clear lens and low and behold this is what I have to show for it




    ^ Stock XM-L with clear lens



    ^ Same XM-L with Modified stock lens

    I will post the pattern I put on it after I have field tested this week on a real trail I figure Hurkey Creek will work

    Its a really simple and cheap mod to make this a good bar light it works on the P7s also but doesn't have that XM-L punch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    ....So back to the drawing board I'm done trying to modify Robs lenses so I figured i would try modifying a clear lens and low and behold this is what I have to show for it....
    .......I will post the pattern I put on it after I have field tested this week on a real trail, I figure Hurkey Creek will work Its a really simple and cheap mod to make this a good bar light it works on the P7s also but doesn't have that XM-L punch [/B]
    I've also noticed some interesting options on this web site. Click onto their "diffusion lens comparison" link. and they offer two options. I think the one with the "Acrylite FF P99", looks like it might work well. Basically a lens with a very light diffusion coating. With something like that you should still get some throw but more outward spill. The LDF coating on the other hand would absolutely kill the throw.

    It would be nice if you could get a custom lens, something with just a center area with a light frosting that fades as it goes outward. Whatever you do, you don't want to completely kill the throw. So far looks like you're on the right path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I've also noticed some interesting options on this web site. Click onto their "diffusion lens comparison" link. and they offer two options. I think the one with the "Acrylite FF P99", looks like it might work well. Basically a lens with a very light diffusion coating. With something like that you should still get some throw but more outward spill. The LDF coating on the other hand would absolutely kill the throw.

    It would be nice if you could get a custom lens, something with just a center area with a light frosting that fades as it goes outward. Whatever you do, you don't want to completely kill the throw. So far looks like you're on the right path.
    Actually I'm kind of thinking the opposite of you Cat here is a ceiling shot of a lens diffused in the center


    as you see your still not getting the spill intensity as this one diffused on the perimeter




    What I am thinking what if you do not diffuse the center at all and let all that throw out but bounce the spill against the opposite side of the reflector in a way intensifying the spill without taking away from the direct path of the hotspot there is a fine line between bounce and diffuse to much clear in the center and it becomes a spot, to much diffuse on the perimeter and you lose throw.
    I have wasted a lot of lenses trying to figure this one out put your thumb on the center of your light and the spill does nothing.. reflect that spill back on the reflector in it intensifies
    So here is my simple way to make it bounce back




    I'm not saying this is the only way to get a floody pattern but it does seem to work and is pretty simple. It does not make the spill wider like a reflector would but it makes it brighter hence more useable light on the side of the trail. I have not put it to trail but it looked pretty good in the street last night I'm planning on hitting some really good trails tomorrow night who know it might look like sh*t in real use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    [B]Actually I'm kind of thinking the opposite of you Cat.... ]...What I am thinking what if you do not diffuse the center at all and let all that throw out but bounce the spill against the opposite side of the reflector in a way intensifying the spill without taking away from the direct path of the hotspot there is a fine line between bounce and diffuse to much clear in the center and it becomes a spot, to much diffuse on the perimeter and you lose throw...:
    Okay...hummm....looks like you're on to something here. If your right then it would be a ring of light frosting around the perimeter, tapering out toward the center. Later tonight I have some stuff I can fool around with but I am not real good with a razor knife. Maybe I'll just let you figure out the fine points.

    edit:...something else I just figured out....I switched reflectors with my SF-15 P-7 torch. The OP on the SF-15 is a much lighter texture. I thought it would produce more of a hot spot but it does the opposite. It gives the 808E a much smoother beam pattern. Just looking at wall shots it does give a slightly wider hot spot but the rest of the beam pattern is really smooth.

    I also figured out that when you tighten the front of the ( stock )808 down real good it produces a narrower beam...so...since this is what I wanted anyway I'm happy. Now if I use these on the bars I will likely switch reflectors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Okay...hummm....looks like you're on to something here. If your right then it would be a ring of light frosting around the perimeter, tapering out toward the center. Later tonight I have some stuff I can fool around with but I am not real good with a razor knife. Maybe I'll just let you figure out the fine points.
    That's exactly what I'm talking about I shouldn't call it diffusion I'm a glass artist for a living and have a sand blaster set up for glass so if you have every seen a sandblasted window with a light behind it where it is blasted it glows intensely, take this to our lights and put a 1000 lumen led behind it and that suckers going to light up but good , now put that next to a mirrored surface and its going to lite up and bounce to the other side and all over that reflector eventually that bounce is going to come out as spill. bingada bangada boom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakuman View Post
    That's exactly what I'm talking about I shouldn't call it diffusion I'm a glass artist for a living and have a sand blaster set up for glass so if you have every seen a sandblasted window with a light behind it where it is blasted it glows intensely, take this to our lights and put a 1000 lumen led behind it and that suckers going to light up but good , now put that next to a mirrored surface and its going to lite up and bounce to the other side and all over that reflector eventually that bounce is going to come out as spill. bingada bangada boom
    Darn you post quick...I edited my post just before you posted this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Darn you post quick...I edited my post just before you posted this...
    Ya I'm sitting at my desk right now and and get a notification every time someone posts on a subject I'm attached too.
    I'm just having fun trying to figure out a way to get these suitable on the bars, at $54 bucks If I can get these lights to work on the bars that will be allot of light for the money. and I have a bunch of spare lenses so why not.
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    Rakuman, Nice on going efforts. Now would you be running 2 of these lights with identical lenses on the bars? or is this a single unit application?

    Anyway, what tape do you have on front and how did you manage to get those circles so precise? I have 4 spare clear stock MS lenses to play around with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Rakuman, Nice on going efforts. Now would you be running 2 of these lights with identical lenses on the bars? or is this a single unit application?

    Anyway, what tape do you have on front and how did you manage to get those circles so precise? I have 4 spare clear stock MS lenses to play around with.


    Seeing it seems to have a bunch of throw still just like the stock light but nice bright spill I'm going to run it by itself for testing. But hell ya two of these would kick butt.and would be the end result.
    I just use a scribe compass to do your circles but tape is not what you want you either need to sandblast or acid etch the ring on to create a frosted ring that will light up and bounce light against your reflector. you can get etching cream at most craft stores any glass store would blast it for a couple of bucks. Before you go and start messing with your lenses let me test this on the trail and see if it is what it looks to be. the dimensions have to be pretty close to what I have for it to work. If the ring goes to far towards the center of the light it goes real floody but you lose throw, if you go to far to the outside it basically gets no bounce affect. I will post the dimensions on Tuesday when I get back from testing it for a couple of days at So Cals finest Hurkey Creek
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    I went ahead and switched out the reflectors for last night's ride. I figured I just had to know how it was going to do with the SF-15 reflector. Yep, turns out my initial call was correct. The SF-15 reflector seems to spread the beam a little more. Not the best for helmet use but would definitely get the call for on the bars.

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    I just picked up one of these as my first commuter light. So far I am very please with it. I have a few questions for you magicshine vetrans:

    1. During the day, does having the blue button light on all day drain the battery?
    2. Where can I get a better mount? I don't mind the rubber band mount so much, but it refuses to stay put on my handlebars.

    -j

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    Well after some killer rides the last two days here it is I'm done I satisfied single XM-L frosted rim on the bars stock XM-L on the helmet. Judge for yourself. I will post DIY dimensions later I'm beat.

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    Stock MS XM-L on helmet


    Modified MS XM-L Frosted perimeter rim on bars

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    Rakuman, I have a feeling the camera ( or camera settings ) are not doing the lights justice...Unless of course you are just using something like a cell phone camera and if so then it makes sense. By the way, those trails look nice.

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    good job Rakuman !
    if you want , I could send you a goody bag with with lenses, reflectors, etc, to play with.
    probably want $20 to cover shipping, and will take 2 beers, to dig that stuff out,...
    the MS XML has not caught up yet, and most ride with 1x light, what is not enough , to start playing with lenses, or spreaders.
    Lumen wise, the MS is the same construction, so too smaller body, same driver, same multi piece construction, and cheap base, what makes the LED run hot, and the lumen go down after 10 min.
    compared to the Baja Strykr, you get about same lumens, but the Baja, as a better construction, and design, as such , does get a better and brighter spot. So no free lunch, Baja still rocks.
    So far I had not much requests for the Baja, since people are already happy with them.
    If I make a few mods, for the Baja Strykr, would be for a handful of Marines, what also take it diving.
    with multiple lights, to create a ultra smooth beam for underwater video.
    currently in a slump, tight up with work, and health issues, it's hard to push forward.
    Did finish my personal light, and it's usable,
    a helmet light, dual led, 1000 lumen, has a on/off switch that's it, 90gr, 1/2 height of MS.
    and a handlebar light 6x led-x, 3200 lumen (1/2 power), I don't bother pushing it to 5000,
    how does it look, well, just like a light mounted on a Enduro, about same size too.
    Mounted on same spot too. 2 switches next to shifter, one for 1600, and one more for 1600 more.
    call it the LB, Light-Brick, same size, and tough as a local Bruins player.
    all this needs some serious power, and chargers. and most weekend warriors , are weight weenies,
    and penny pinchers, this definitely would not fit in their pizza and beer schedule.
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    back to MS, the new 868, it's shinny , uuhh, ahh, more important, it gets a new shell.
    this should be a better heat path, and a new driver too. other than that, same old, pretty much same reflector, and you still need two. If you like reflectors ok, otherwise, I'd say, right now, for the low end budget, a 4x XPG plus, it's where it is. with 7x you can ride with one light, otherwise, get a 4x and keep your old MS . why, most still like the spot, and 4x xpg are better then 1x xml, better design too.
    oh, there was a business guy in britan, always on the cell phone, and summer time, cleaning the pool, always managed to drop his 500 buck phone in the pool. So, since a guy, he looked around, and be practical, stuck his phone in a condome, to waterproof it. He did get a good response, so he went to get some colored ones, and packaged it nicely, and put a patent out.
    thought , it was funny, and successful , probably need something like that for MS lights, for improvements.
    cheers, Rob

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    Ya its the camera its a hundred times brighter in real life that's why I don't like to take beam pics they always dim out for me. It looks real bright threw the viewfinder but when I take the pic the camera over compensates
    We all know what the stock XM-L beam should look like now take my stock pic and compare it to the mod pic that flood smokes it except for over all throw and intensity in the hotspot, but what can we expect out of a single led flood light,,One that will throw as far as a spot thats not going to happen. With these two combined I didn't feel at anytime that I wish I had more light and at $54 for the lightheads its hard to beat. at first i was cautious that my theory was going to work but no sh*t its nice and floody and its got decent throw. sure you can get more flood and throw but its going to take either a good reflector or more leds I just tried to get this light to do it with out having to buy something aftermarket
    Ya Hurkey creek is my favorite ride I do it at least once a week you can ride all day and never see the same patch of trail or another rider if you do it on a weekday, Helps that I live at the base of the mountain and its only a 25 minute drive.
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