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    Light&Motion Seca 800 vs LuminTrek TB-1000 (video)

    Found this video comparing these two lights on twitter. Anybody using these lights?

    Light&Motion Seca 800 vs. LuminTrek TrailBlazer 1000 - YouTube

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    Not the greatest demo video, between you and I, I don't believe garage door comparisons of beam pattern or light color really mean a whole heck of a lot. A comparison of the two systems would be better if it were out on the trail.

    Also, there should be other factors taken into consideration, the company itself should be a factor in my mind. Light & Motion has been around for years producing excellent quality light systems, they attend races and events all over the country to support racers that are running their lights, they pay a staff of Americans to take care of your lights long after the sale, among other reasons a company like theirs would get my hard earned money. Who knows if Lumintrek will be around in a few years to service your system if it needs or if you need to purchase a part? I would be willing to bet that Light & Motion will be.

    Perhaps we just live in a world of throwaway light systems now? There seems to be a new cheap light company popping up every week or so, which is fine, that's the free market and I wouldn't have it any other way - just understand what you are getting for your $100 or so dollars - just make sure to ride with a back up system - a good idea regardless of the brand of light you have.

    Rant over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BajaDesignsShannon View Post
    Not the greatest demo video, between you and I, I don't believe garage door comparisons of beam pattern or light color really mean a whole heck of a lot. A comparison of the two systems would be better if it were out on the trail.

    Also, there should be other factors taken into consideration, the company itself should be a factor in my mind. Light & Motion has been around for years producing excellent quality light systems, they attend races and events all over the country to support racers that are running their lights, they pay a staff of Americans to take care of your lights long after the sale, among other reasons a company like theirs would get my hard earned money. Who knows if Lumintrek will be around in a few years to service your system if it needs or if you need to purchase a part? I would be willing to bet that Light & Motion will be.

    Perhaps we just live in a world of throwaway light systems now? There seems to be a new cheap light company popping up every week or so, which is fine, that's the free market and I wouldn't have it any other way - just understand what you are getting for your $100 or so dollars - just make sure to ride with a back up system - a good idea regardless of the brand of light you have.

    Rant over.
    The video was laughable. Without a good outdoor comparison the wall beam shots mean nothing. L&M spent a good deal of time developing the optic for the 800. My bet is that it has a better beam pattern on the trail. I'm not saying the Lumintrek isn't a good light. If it has an XM-L emitter and a reflector no doubt it should shine up some trails.
    I just think the L&M would be the better bar lamp.

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    I would never buy anything other than L&M. I have the Seca 700 for mtb riding and the urban 550, vis 360 and vis 180 for commuting. Not only do they clearly make among the highest quality products, but their customer service is over the top and they design and build them in the USA in Monterey.

    I crashed with my Seca 700 and a metal piece came off. Still worked, but they replaced the light for no charge. My original Stella 120 had a battery that wore down faster than expected so they gave me a sweet deal on the urban 550. Talk about standing behind your products.

    Not to mention my 700 lumen Seca is way brighter than my friend's 1,400 lumen magicshine.

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    I have a Seca 800 and use it regularly as a bar light. I have an old Ultra endurance battery that I connect it to. I can't say anything about working w/ light and motion customer service because I've never had an issue with the light. The build quality seems fine and it is pretty darned light weight. The multi-chem charger has kept my battery well conditioned and I still get 4+ hours out of the battery on high, even though the battery is from 2006. I have not had it run down on me yet so I don't know how long it will last "all day".
    I also have this years Baja Designs Strykr SL that I use for my helmet. The charger is stupid fast and has so far kept the battery well conditioned. The build quality and materials are amazing. I've only been able to use it about a dozen times though and don't have nearly the hours that I do on my L&M lamp. It came with two reflectors and I have no idea which I am using outside of the fact that it is the one that came installed. On medium, the Strykr SL is well balanced w/ my Seca. On high, it overpowers it. With both on, I am riding in sunshine tunnel and can go daylight speeds. Any more light, and you might as well just wait for the sun to come out because it wouldn't be night riding anymore.
    I am working right now with the folks at L&M to put on a Poker Ride at the WORS Subaru Cup in Wisconsin this August. I can tell you that working with them has been phenomenal. They are renting out lights for free and they are helping our fledgling club get our name out there and generate some funds for local trail development and advocacy.

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    also... dumbest video i've ever seen.
    the amount your eyes dilate is dependant upon available light.
    if you have a "hot spot" that is going very far out, it diffuses as it goes further and looks less and less like a "hot spot" on the trail. As you get closer to the bike, you need less light to accomplish similar levels of illumination. The hotspot over distance, is actually very well balanced with the rest of the light cast from the lamp.
    This test is about as useful as a vegetarian at deer camp.

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    Light and motion seem to have no quality at all. just had to wait for a ride home because my urban 500 failed to work, this is the only light failure out of tens of lights that i have owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHMASTER View Post
    Light and motion seem to have no quality at all. just had to wait for a ride home because my urban 500 failed to work, this is the only light failure out of tens of lights that i have owned.
    Hey DHMaster,

    Have you contacted L&M about your light failure? They have been around a long time and have been known for producing high quality lights systems over the years and having great customer service. I know a few people over there and I know they'll help you out if need be.

    Sorry to hear about your being left in the dark, that is no bueno. But definitely give the lads and lasses over at L&M a call and give them the chance to make it right for you.

    Edit - Never mind, I see that you had the situation resolved in another thread. I'm glad they are getting you all squared away.
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    Here is my opinion that I gave on a review of the Seca 800:

    I purchased this light after checking the Light an Motion website which stated 2.5hrs burn time on high (800 lumens) but after using the item I noticed that I wasnt getting close to this time. After checking the box it came in I realised that the max time is only 2hrs. I sent customer service a message and got a response that the website was incorrect and they will change it, when I advised that I wasnt happy, I was told to reduce the time I had the light on full power. I should not have to use manual battery management when they provided the wrong information online leading me to buy their product.

    If you know it has max 2hr at max and get it at a good price then maybe it might be worth it however I really needed 2.5hrs at max level.

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