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    Quote Originally Posted by andychrist View Post
    Well as long as I had to wait for the optics from FastTech to arrive, ordered the complete set of triangular head drivers that -Archie- found for me on Amazon. Worked great, and a good thing too because I had to take that little sucker apart a good many times trying to figure out the easiest way to mod it without a workshop.
    Great! BTW, what size of screwdriver fits? Just curious to check whether I have correct triangular bit for that light, in case I'll ever encounter it in my practice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    Great! BTW, what size of screwdriver fits? Just curious to check whether I have correct triangular bit for that light, in case I'll ever encounter it in my practice...
    It was the "Green" size.

    Pretty sure that's the TA23.

    Thanks again -Archie- and also bhocewar, the info and pics you posted were invaluable.

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    So I guess the consensus is that of all the dual xm-l budget lights out right now, this one has the best body in terms of mass and heat dissipation and is best suited to driving at higher currents? Does the kd2 driver swap over? Sorry for not reading the while thread but it's just beginning to catch my eye as the limitations of the kd2 are being reached

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    Ugh! You guys are now tempting me to buy another light! I do like that this light has more mass, a little more style, and better fins.

    So, does the KD2 driver fit this light? Wait, you'd have the issue of dual switches. You'd have to disable one or rework the driver.

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    There is no need to disable the switch. It is you just don't have one under the button. I might take a look if somehow driver fits. But I doubt since stock one is mounted in the center lower edge.

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    From looking at pics there's no way kd2 driver will fit. This has center screw holes, and kd2 attaches at the ends.

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    Hey, let everyone know carclo and LEDDNA optics are the same size (I have 2 of every beam pattern of both places). Doesn't count holders but who uses them anyway lol.

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    What's up with those little tabs on the side of Carclo's 20mm lenses? Kinda hard to make out from the manufacturer's site but on LEDSupply they are more visible and look like they stick out from the rim.

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    Did yours come like that tigris?

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    I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the oxyled version. Should be here thursday. I wasn't gonna do it but realized I needed a stupid bluetooth adapter and the buying finger had an itch

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbeer View Post
    I wasn't gonna do it but realized I needed a stupid bluetooth adapter and the buying finger had an itch

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    Quote Originally Posted by andychrist View Post
    What's up with those little tabs on the side of Carclo's 20mm lenses? Kinda hard to make out from the manufacturer's site but on LEDSupply they are more visible and look like they stick out from the rim.

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    Did yours come like that tigris?
    According to the "Description" on LED Supply's webpage: "The tab on the outside edge of the optic secures the optic into a 26.5mm optic holder (shown in the above image)."

    Here is an image of the Carclo holder:



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    Quote Originally Posted by garrybunk View Post
    According to the "Description" on LED Supply's webpage: "The tab on the outside edge of the optic secures the optic into a 26.5mm optic holder (shown in the above image)."

    -Garry
    Huh, my iPad doesn't show the image they refer to in Description, guess it's the mobile site. But still, are these lenses designed only to fit in a holder? Because otherwise that tongue would keep the lens from sitting flush against the inner face of any bike lamp I know of. Plus there is yet another tab sticking up from the holder itself that would also interfere. Perhaps these lenses are designed for some specific lighting fixture not referenced on the site? Doesn't look like you could snap the tongue off from the lens without taking a hunk of the rim along with it either. Are there other 20mm Carclo optics without any such protuberance, that I'm missing? Was why I ordered my 20mm drop ins from FastTech and LEDDNA, their lenses were not adorned this way.

    Also notice now, there appear to be two different style tabs: LEDSupply shows the tongue which sticks inward and wouldn't engage with any part of that holder, while Carclo's own site shows a tab under the side of the rim that actually would engage with the holder pictured on LEDSupply.

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    Not sure whether this line of Carclo's would be compatable with KDs or any other 20mm bike lamp head.

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    Sometimes optics have the indexing feature to ensure correct orientation. Imagine an assembly line using elliptical optics. You would want a fast and foolproof way to align the beam pattern correctly.

    Sometimes the holder is required to properly locate the emitter in the optic. Small differences in axial positioning can make a big difference in beam quality and optic efficiency. In playing around with swapping emitter brands/styles, I've found that an axial position difference of as little as .1mm makes a visible difference in beam quality. Leddna seen to work fine with or without the holder. I have only used Carclo on 2 different lights with disappointing results so have given up on them. Most Ledil optics need the holder for proper positioning.

    If you need to remove an indexing tab, file it off. Snapping it off usually takes more material with it than you want.
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    Ya I use a hobby blade to cut them off. I dont snap off just because I figured itd mess up optics quality.

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    So then are the Carclos only indexed by way of the holder, or is the base of each lamp also designed to align with the emitter? Lenses I got from FastTech have four little rectangular feet to latch around it— didn't come with tabs or holder, and would have fallen through the face plate had I not retained the glass disks that protected the original reflectors. But at least once they're in right they stay put, 15º optics workin' out pretty well so far.

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    Ur optics look the same as leddna optics, 4 feet, which I cut off for my ss x3. Thnx for the heads u on optics being a hair small. I know to be ready to modify for it

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    I'm am idiot
    Posted on wrong thread. Ignore

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    Oxyled version came in today. First off this is one hefty little beast. I don't have triangle bits so no teardown but it is a nice looking body. Battery case doesn't look to be of much use though unless you can spot weld you're stuck using the cells included

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbeer View Post
    Oxyled version came in today. First off this is one hefty little beast. I don't have triangle bits so no teardown but it is a nice looking body. Battery case doesn't look to be of much use though unless you can spot weld you're stuck using the cells included
    Huh, your OxyLED didn't come with the anodized battery holder with replaceable cells? That's the only one I've ever seen included with any of the 880 clones. Do you have a link to your purchase, manbeer?

    Just got my ellipticals from LEDDNA. They fit perfectly in the Yinding but again for the KD, had to retain the original plain glass discs inside the face plate to keep the optics from falling out. Only ordered 10º*45º and 20º*60º, now I kinda wish I'd picked up 30º*60º as well, if only for comparison sake, they're so inexpensive. Even the 45º is plenty wide, just the 10º height seems a bit skimpy when the lamp is pointed downward enough to illuminate in front of the wheel. 20º*60º optics in the KD throw juuust far enough to combine with an unaltered Yinding for a fairly long ranging, uninterupted beam pattern. Will have to spend some time on the trails upstate to determine whether this setup needs further tweaking.

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    Amazon.com : OxyLED BL15 3-Mode Waterproof Bright Rechargeable 2 x XML U2 1500 Lumens Cree LED Headlight / Headlamp / Bicycle Light / Bike Light Set with 8800mAh Battery Pack and Charger, for Outdoor Sports / Camping / Hiking - Black : Sports & Outdo

    Case is anodized but cells are spot welded like a standard pack with the pcb sandwiched between them. Also the pack was pretty dead as it arrived (didn't check voltage but indicators were red plugged in with no load

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    And what does that other case have??? I know u can change the cells but is there a PCB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    And what does that other case have??? I know u can change the cells but is there a PCB?
    from my understanding the others had a case similar to one from KD a while back that had a pcb and used typical spring mounts for cells. The tricky thing is that it looks almost identical so as with all things chinese, it's a crap shoot which one you'll get

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    Just noticed securitying version shows phillips head screws up front so maybe it's from a different build house?

    Anyway the good news is that even though I got screwed on the non removable cells the seller states that the 4 cell pack is "8800 mah" - must be true, right?

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    Yeah manbeer the version you got says XM-L U2, so it probably is not the same build as the XM-L T6 that tigris ordered. T6 might be original quality, guess he'll find out.

    Sorry you got such a bad deal there on Amazon. At least you can return the OxyLED if you're not happy with it. Original XM-L T6 is still available from KD as well as packages and solitary lamp heads in CW and NW XM-L2 U2.
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    3 different ellipticals at LEDDNA? I just ordered and only saw two options 20x60 and 30x60. I now see the 10x45 on the mobile site but don't remember it on their "standard" site when I ordered. DOH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andychrist View Post
    Yeah manbeer the version you got says XM-L U2, so it probably is not the same build as the XM-L T6 that tigris ordered. T6 might be original quality, guess tirgis will find out.

    Sorry you got such a bad deal there on Amazon. At least you can return the OxyLED if you're not happy with it. Original XM-L T6 is still available from KD as well as packages and solitary lamp heads in CW and NW XM-L2 U2.
    Oh well, I'm probably not going to bother to return it as the lighthead itself seems decent (until I open it up at least) and if the pack has anywhere near decent capacity I will just give it to a friend who's just getting into night riding to use with his mj808. I may order another version though so now I guess I am left with the supernight and securitying as options (to impatient to order from overseas)

    On the other hand the nitefighter is so nice it may just be better to order another one of the bt40 or try to find a bt21. Too many choices...

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrybunk View Post
    Adding a glass lens in front of the optic is going to cut down on the amount of light making it out. Some of these Chinese glass lenses have been tested at up to 18% loss (my MT-05s).

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    Yeah I figured there'd be that loss but the efficiency of the optics seems to have mostly or even more than made up for that. Reflectors cause ringing and color separation with NW emitters, and the spill outside the hot spot is too dim to be of much value. 15º optics from FastTech were an overall improvement, even with the extraneous glass to hold them in place — Wish I knew how others here got theirs to stay if they did not reuse the blanks though. Original MJ-880 has some kind of retaining ring set within the face plate, must mate with that holder comes with the 10º optics from FT and LEDDNA.

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    Wonder why none of the clones have copied this, given how much more expensive those aluminized copper reflectors must be over resin lenses nowadays. Perhaps the MS retaining rings are propritary and none of the other manufactures can get them off the shelf. This would still strike me as odd because I doubt those optic holders, with their three pairs of slits 120º apart, would be exclusive to MagicShine products. Guess they could mate with different retainers and only MS has the ones to fit their face plate? Just like no one else has copied the control buttons on top of the lamp either.

    Edit: See where bhocewar trimmed down optic holders to sit flush against the O-rings back of the face plate. Not something I'll attempt to replicate in my little NYC apartment, have already made enough of a mess here.

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    Just took mine apart, I actually had triangle bits surprisingly. Seems pretty well constructed. Pcb is on plain aluminum, everything seats nice and tight, added some thermal paste (there was a tiny dab in the center but not much, took some pics and sealed it up. One day when I get better at the interwebs I will post pics from all the crap I've torn down lately

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    Manbeer, use Photobucket or similar, they have copy and paste links. I do all my pics with my windows phone, have app to quickly upload to Photobucket, copy and paste link from Photobucket to wherever. Still have all my pics from my rc days on there. Led kits I made, custom made scale rock crawlers I built from scratch, etc. I need to clean it out before I run outta space.

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    Thanks, I will check out the app. I had an old account that I was too lazy to clear out and for some reason it will never let me delete and start fresh. By the way have been using the hobby charger and loving it, thanks for helping me out. Now testing capacity of all my packs out of boredom lol

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    Lol no problem, I need to do it but as I learned yesterday capacity isn't everything. Having new set of Panasonics I understand why ppl complain about Chinese cheap cells, brand name cells do better at delivering the power. These included cells work just dont push the amps near as steadily.

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    Tigres, did you see the link I posted for the 3400 mah panasonic/Sanyo cells (guess it was a transition period from buyout )on amazon for 19.99/set of 4? I just got a few sets and they are really top notch for the price

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    Ya not sure supposed to be Panasonics, that's what I bought was that set

    And exciting day, tornado came through area covered quite a distance covered but lifted over the river and town I live in (half on a big hill), literally straight over my house dropped again northeat of town and missed my aunts place by less than 100 yrds.

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    Wow glad you're ok, where do you live? Stuff like that never really happens out here, in general pretty safe save for ticks

    And yeah those cells we made by panasonic and Sanyo basically tweaked ncr18650s so they kick some butt

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    Live in northwestern Illinois on the river other side from Clinton Iowa which is where the worst of it was.



    Edits: Omfg, we got hit by twins, explains what I saw, not sure how or why but our town right in the path, they jumped us the unleashed again. Kind of disturding I dont know of any record of twins hitting populated areas with enough force to do what these tornados did. Counting my blessings right now. And had that storm come an hr later would have been alot worse, not long after it passed us it got bad.

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    Pics of oxyled clone from amazon. Interestingly enough when I left my store I had the stock battery pack on the hobby charger to test capacity and it was almost at 3000mah with another .52 volts to go so it may well be close to the stated 4400mah capacity. Still wish it had replaceable cells like the others though








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    Hey manbeer, any chance you can check if 1/2" copper plumbing end caps fit nicely into those holes behind the emitters? Also try a piece of 1/2" copper pipe if you can.

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    Hmm I like where you are going with this. Heading to my local home depot in a few

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    Wait - might be 3/4" copper pipe and end caps. It's not my original idea. See this X2 clone mod: Mod - SolarStorm X2 Clone - Pic Heavy (In-Progress) | BudgetLightForum.com

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    If the holes are like ss x3 the holes are 18mm so I believe 1/2", remember copper pipe is measured by ID, and caps are designed to fit I've the specified pipe, 3/4 is like 1" (25mm) OD on the caps I believe. Can't find my 1/2 and 3/4 caps I have somewhere to measure exactly but I do remember 3/4 caps didn't even fit inside ss x3 at all. 1/2 cap fit kind of in the center but still too big to plug that hole.

    So if you get anything, get 1/2 and 3/8 caps

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    Well I saw the reply a bit late, got a few odds and ends but couldn't find a match. I will bring my caliper tomorrow and find something to match up

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    I had the same problem at home depot, not alot of options. Problem is the US is still too arrogant to accept the metric scale lol. So trying to find matches to things sucks for items made in other countries.

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    Yeah I was surprised at the crappy selection and everything in the wrong bin. Hate that place...normally I like supporting small business but most places are closed by 5 or 6 here

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    I feel you, and I have no small shop options, just home depot and ace. Home depot is turning into the WalMart of home improvement lol.

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    Yeah I couldn't find the right size copper end caps at Lowe's either. Wonder whether some Canadian vendor might stock them in metric (that's where I got SS M4 screws.) Very difficult to find online, even searching Lowe's here did not bring them up, although they actually did have one 1/2" and some 3/4" copper caps in the bins. (Of course before I stumbled upon them myself, was approached by a helpful employee who asked what I was looking for. When I told him copper end caps he looked at me as if I were crazy and said they didn't have anything like that. Well he was half right.

    Edit: Nope, Canadian sites mostly offer Imperial sizing too. Only metric on offer was imported from either the U.K. or Australia, shipping is astronomical. Closest size available is 15mm, dunno what the exterior might be.

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    I can buy metric screws all day long. Home depot has crap for options but they have some. Ace Hardware has everything in regular or ss from m3 up to m10.

    Amazon is also great for metric hardware (or in a pinch hit a hobby/rc shop)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    If the holes are like ss x3 the holes are 18mm so I believe 1/2", remember copper pipe is measured by ID, and caps are designed to fit I've the specified pipe, 3/4 is like 1" (25mm) OD on the caps I believe. Can't find my 1/2 and 3/4 caps I have somewhere to measure exactly but I do remember 3/4 caps didn't even fit inside ss x3 at all. 1/2 cap fit kind of in the center but still too big to plug that hole.

    So if you get anything, get 1/2 and 3/8 caps
    The 3/4" at Lowe's were 24mm exterior diameter. Dunno what the OD of the 1/2" was, looked small and they only had one unit in stock anyway. For reference, best fit I can find inside the KD is a dime. But just adding the extra ~1.5mm back plate behind the emitter board worked fine for me. Don't think I'd bother attempting to plug the holes on my other, Silver 880 clone unless I can find a real easy, drop in solution.

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    So I got on amazon to buy a mudder kd2 clone.....as I was rolling through wish list for it found the securitying version was dropped to $29.99. So I grabbed I instead, with my amazon credit for free 1 day, it'll be here tomorrow . As much as I shouldn't have $20 refund from amazon and free overnight, plus the $30 price I couldn't pass it up.

    I'll fill you guys in on the securitying version tomorrow. I know that gold color is COMING OFF, I hate that color lol.

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    tigris, do you have a link to that SecurityIng? Can't find it on Amazon Prime, D'oh!

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    It's gone now, there was one left and he snagged it

    I watch that shit like a hawk lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbeer View Post
    It's gone now, there was one left and he snagged it
    So which version was it, the XM-L U2 or T6?

    T6 is more likely the original build, with the pills and interchangeable cells.

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    You can't find it because they took it down as unavailable now after I bought it. Dunno wtf these Chinese guys are doing.

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    Oh just found out when I called amazon cause delivery date change, I bought the last one lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    Oh just found out when I called amazon cause delivery date change, I bought the last one lol
    So which version did you get, the T6 or U2?

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    Securitying so think its u2 version. T6 version was out of stock via amazon anyway.

    I'll know more on Monday but it has a screw lid case and pending on its design I can probably make it to where I can change the cells.

    Manbeer, I try to watch it and seem to keep getting lucky either finding or at least seeing you guys post about it before their gone.

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    Yeah even the T6 Supernight that was fulfilled by Amazon before isn't anymore, dagnabbit.

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    Yep, only the oxyled now

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    And the OxyLED is U2 not T6 so no reason to buy that one anyway, it won't have the same build as the first KD 880 clone (if any of them still do.)

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    Well they all probably are by now. I got it cause the head is a beast, see what I can do to it. One last expirament before building my own lighthead.

    Edit: I cancelled this order, though it shows in stock for prime, its actually not. I contacted the seller they say its all up to amazon. However amazon (an actual American) explained that these morons bring items to amazon warehouse for amazon to ship them as needed. Not sure how that works but guess I can't trust "prime eligible" anymore either.
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    HAVE TO POST THIS. I owed an apology to one person and explained to amazon the matter and what not. The rep didn't bother to tell me the damn light was Mia in their warehouse.

    BUT ALL THAT ASIDE HOLY CRAP, I know what those light set with batteries cost the seller now. Companies having low margins my A***! amazon reimbursed seller for missing light, $4.97......thats what it cost the seller (prior to amazon fees etc).

    I wanna get in this business with margins like that. $45 normal, $30 on sale cost $5 plus fees....

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    Good and bad news. I just got the securitying version of this from amazon. The bad news is that it's the last one but who knows...it'll probably come back soon. The good news is that it seems like the original version. Build quality better than oxyled, replaceable cells which are actually the same markings as the mudder kd2 clone and seem to be real 2200mah capacity. Very excited by this one

    Edit:
    This is also the one with the separate stars on pills rather than the dual emitter pcb like the oxyled







    OxyLED version here:





    Edit again, I just found kir's pics of the original quality one from KD and this is a perfect match, down to the numbers printed on the board, cree printed on the stars, and the same cells which he tested at 2100mah. Let's hope amazon get some more
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    As I wrote some time ago. If the leds are XM-L then it is very likely the old version with separate pills. If there are XM-L2 leds then it is very likely you would get single PCB like OxyLED version shown above.

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    There might also have been some difference with the various anodized models. Think MK96 said the XM-L2 U2 version in Silver he received was the original build, but that the Black wasn't?

    Interesting that manbeer's OxyLED clone is actually XM-L2, description on Amazon just says XM-L U2.

    They still have the Supernight XM-L T6 in Gold for only $29.99 + $5.07 shipping, not a bad deal if it is the original build. Pair of NW XM-L2 emitters from FastTech would start at $7.26 for their T5 5B1, a very mellow tint.

    Too bad though there is no drop-in solution for converting this lamp from reflectors to optics, necessary mods are a little involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andychrist View Post
    Interesting that manbeer's OxyLED clone is actually XM-L2, description on Amazon just says XM-L U2.
    It is not suprizing to me since there are very likely chinese sellers behind. Reading description at Amazon may be no better than at flea bay when cheapo led lights comes into question.

    Modding 880-clone to optics it's not such a big deal if you not to picky and want to have it all the best. You may just put some copper washers under pcb or pills. Of course this is not the best solution but it works, just less efficiently.

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    In theory, it couldn't be that much to have a couple pucks machined from aluminum stock to fit right? This is actually a beefy light. I'm impressed. Plus I love any battery case with replaceable cells. When I opened it up and saw it was like the original I felt like a kid on Christmas morning

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbeer View Post
    In theory, it couldn't be that much to have a couple pucks machined from aluminum stock to fit right? This is actually a beefy light. I'm impressed.
    Yes, I've moded mine that way plus added Noctigon PCB's and raised current for about 30% with additional R330 resistor over stock one. Brightnes wise it became on paar with its original.

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    That's probably what I will do, aside from maybe the resistor mods as my soldering skills are horrid

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    Ok so I broke down and ordered the supernight version, still a us based seller so be here tomorrow. They seem to be thinking out to where its going to be kd only and for $5 more than the lighthead I get the hole package.

    I'll report tomorrow night when I get it tore down if it uses pills or anything. See how hard I can push this little thing.

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    Hopefully it's the same as the securitying version. I have my fingers crossed

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    Aight nice call Andy, I GOT PILLS!!!







    And led DNA optics will fit perfectly with nothing more than spacing the pills towards.







    http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...ps7zzgtug3.jpg







    Next Manbeer, I have a securitying style case







    http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...pswspahkqm.jpg







    Lucked out glad I grabbed it before they ran out. Now I dont feel guilty for mudder case going on commuter possibly to run 2 lights. Get voltage drop running a 2 emitter accross the stock port while other dual emitter (yindings for testing) is in the cable. Made the black yinding brighter than my blue one, which shouldn't be possible. But kd2 on plug and angel eye on port and works great.





    But now I gotta order more emitters, well maybe, my u4 1c emitters came today, may just put both in with 45 and 60 optics, see what happens. Was going to run the test accross my yindings but maybe not now. I put the last of my u2 3cs in the kd2 last night.


    Edit: Test fit of optics shows will need to get orings from hardware store, they don't quite fit perfectly in the front plate, but standard orings will be thick enough to fix the issue.

    And pills fit a little loose...but just enough that gap is a bit much for thermal compound but not enough to fit my copper sheet around it...

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    Wow then that was a really good deal, tigris, about $20 less for the whole package than at Kaidomain, original build and two day shipping, can't beat that with a stick. Take it those round bases inside the pills are 16mm? Also, Supernight says: 3 lighting modes: High, Low, and Blinking. Take it that's a mistake, there is also a Mid like on all the other clones?

    BTW how many lumens are those U4 emitters you got? Just found some NW U3 rated 1260, so are the U4 over 1300? They just come in CW that way, not NW, right?

    Thanks!

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    Wasn't 2 day, but they have US warehouse, so still only took 4 days.

    As for emitter, mtnelectronics JUST got them in. I got on the presale, got 2 with 16mm noctigons and a couple bare. Figure each bin ups output by about 60 lumens on avg, so 1310-1320ish is going to be my loosely educated guess.

    The ones already on noctigons ive already sliced most of the dome off and sitting in gasoline now. One thing im loving, PILLS AND PCBS!!! So its literally direct swap from stock pcbs to my mcpcbs. I should be able to push this light to true 3000mA (not calculated prior to losses) since head can handle the heat.

    They really need to develope this lighthead further. Its got some serious potential, I may be able to make it surpass my ssx3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    Aight nice call Andy, I GOT PILLS!!!

    Edit: Test fit of optics shows will need to get orings from hardware store, they don't quite fit perfectly in the front plate, but standard orings will be thick enough to fix the issue.

    And pills fit a little loose...but just enough that gap is a bit much for thermal compound but not enough to fit my copper sheet around it...
    Have you considered aluminium tape to wrap those pills?

    Wanna see how the O-rings work on your Supernight. Didn't think everything would fit right that way on my crappy KD build so I just compensated by backing up the emitter board.

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    Well I still have to space the pills forward, but that's a given, optics are shorter than reflectors.

    No didn't even think about aluminum tape, wonder how adhesive effects thermal transfer. May have to hit home depot later (wish I would have thought about it while at ace getting orings)

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    I don't think the microscopic layer of adhesive on aluminum tape negatively effects thermal transfer, tigris; I practically built my whole backing plate from it. And you'd probably only need one go round of the pills to fill that small gap well enough. You want I can send you some, got plenty.

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    Oh no worries I can grab some if needed. I dont want to mess with it till I sort spacing the pills forward.



    Right now im hoping I can make a solid bar light out of it. As it sits right now the driver is comparable to the yinding driver (more output than kd2 driver). Major hot spot stock with having op reflectors.

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    And here we go

    Converting to optics was EASY. 1" hole saw bit for my dirll cut spacer discs from 1/8 aluminum plate that were the same size as the pills, but 2.85mm thick, just what I needed to bring pills foward. Changed wire to 20awg just for the hell of it, not sure it really needed it but every little bit helps.

    Switch emitters to current set up of 1 u2 3c on a 45deg and a u4 1c dedomed on 10x45.

    Also, calculated driver output....3.5A, so should be right about 3.0A true. And judging by the light I got now its pretty close I hope (im gonna check it tomorrow cause lately been noticing calculations are far higher than actual on all these light).

    Ill do a side by side with my black yinding (not getting u3 1a dedome replaced with a u4) tomorrow night, see what the true boost is.

    Case temps no air flow sit at about 110deg at 75 deg outside temp, gave up bothering with it atm cause it was taking so long to heat up and didnt feel like a full temp test tonight.

    Anyway, pics:





    Also found today that the red panasonic that seemed to be having issues, was having real issues,lol. I gotta discharge it to dead tomorrow and get rid of it.

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    Ok so this light runs between 2.9 and 3.0A. First light head I could push that hard. With my custom solarstorm finned gopro adapter from vanc, its also my coolest running light at 115-120F, without it, it sits in the 130s.

    Light output seems a bit above my bt40 (turned up to 1.3A calculated on turbo) and ss x3. But ssx3 is heavy on the flood side.

    Really liking this light head lol. With optics set up makes awesome bar light. Be hard to choose between it and bt40.

    I do know hopefully not this weekend but following I want to go out and try all my lights on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    Ok so this light runs between 2.9 and 3.0A. First light head I could push that hard. With my custom solarstorm finned gopro adapter from vanc, its also my coolest running light at 115-120F, without it, it sits in the 130s.

    Light output seems a bit above my bt40 (turned up to 1.3A calculated on turbo) and ss x3. But ssx3 is heavy on the flood side.

    Really liking this light head lol. With optics set up makes awesome bar light. Be hard to choose between it and bt40.

    I do know hopefully not this weekend but following I want to go out and try all my lights on the trails.
    I thought I saw something where you swapped in 2 of the 3 emitter noctigons with hp-l hi LEDs. Did you add resistors to the driver? If I was able to find the version with the pills and just swapped out the LED with the triple noctigons can I just swap them in(and space the pills to use the optics from Carlco) without messing with the driver? How would the triple hp-l hi with stock driver compare to the bt40s?

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    That was over int eh DIY subforum. I installed 1st just one triple noctigon with xp-l hi to see if they would fit, then switch to 2 triples with xp-g2 s3 emitters.

    The pills have actually nothing to do with the triple mode, I took those out. It requires custom machined spacers for triples only available from MTNelectronics.com (they are for converting flashlights to triple) to make them fit.

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    I now also ordered one, now I would exchange the Led and the Pcb.
    What is the diameter of the pc board?

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    16mm on the old ones, but it depends what you'll get it may also be in one piece konsisted of two 20-21mm circles as can be seen on pictures above. If later then you'll need to reflow leds or do some more modding.

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    I want to order her from Kaidomain.
    I wanted actually 2 separate copper PCP circles, what size do I need here, without having to work the PCP, 16mm or 20 mm?
    KD 2xCree XM-L2 U2 Neutral White 4700K-5000K 4-Mode 2200 Lumens Bike Light -Black(Battery Excluded).


    Led perhaps an XPL2 HD or perhaps even an XHP50, afterwards I would increase the current on the Led?

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    There is no way of knowing what you will need with this light. They keep changing them to make them cheaper.

    As ledoman said, it may not even have 2 separate PCBs but if it does they are probably 20mm

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    Wy cheaper?
    Is not that possible with 2 individual boards?
    Which finished PCP would otherwise still fit, preferably Copper Board?

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    You need to disassemble the thing. You won't know what you need if you don't do it Until it is just a pure guesstimate :-P

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    I have to order the lamp and I want to order the same components, same delivery!

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    Why just this one? There are a lot of good lamps available! :-)

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    If you have the money to waste on modding cheap Chinese lights just order the emitters you want on both 16mm & 20mm bases. Either one will be usable on this lamp.

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    Then you can just guess what is in. Internals and leds are changing to drop the cost of manufacturing.

    Quote Originally Posted by gecco View Post
    I have to order the lamp and I want to order the same components, same delivery!

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    I have now 8 Yindings, 3 Nitefighter Bt40,1 Nitefighter Bt21.Und these are only the Bikelampen.
    Search for what's new to modden.
    The 880er has always pleased me, only the original is too expensive, therefore replica!

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    Can't be too expensive as you already spent more than that on your list of bike lights . 8 yindings is the cost of a pretty nice bike light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecco View Post
    .....The 880er has always pleased me, only the original is too expensive, therefore replica!
    The 880 clones are not a replica. They are quite a bit different on both internal and external details.
    GoPro adapters for bike lights http://www.pacifier.com/~kevinb/index.html

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    Today I got my KD 2.
    I want to give it higher power.
    Which components do I need?
    What can be max power to me the Led does not burn off?
    KD 2 from Kaidomain.
    Is that the original driver or a reproduction?

    Furthermore, I would like to change the optics, but do not know if it makes sense. I thought of the Leddna synonymous for the Yinding fit?
    Are there perhaps comparative photos with original optics and the lenses Leddna with different degrees?
    I already take care of the heat transfer with copper sleeves and Copper Backplates.
    And new heat transfer paste MX4.
    Thanks
    K/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170303_114803.jpg

    The used pills are 20.6mm wide and 14.3mm high.Also Insulation Gaskets are on the Led.
    K/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170303_114943.jpg



    K/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170303_115001.jpg
    K/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170303_115440.jpg

    The hole between front and back has a diameter of 17.5mm.
    Here copper rings or plates can be installed.



    K/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170304_211819.jpgK/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170304_211836.jpgK/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170304_212031.jpg


    At the front one would have the diameter of 20.9mm for copper rings, so 20mm Led boards are installed.


    It is not so easy to reconstruct this lamp, the insulation gaskets are not glued then the pills, the fluoriszierende seals then the large cover seal and then still the two glass panes.
    K/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170304_234707.jpgK/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170304_234739.jpgK/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170304_234800.jpgK/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170304_234826.jpg
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails K/D  2 x XML, MJ880 Clone-img_20170303_115030.jpg  

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    Hey gecco, can you post some pics of your copper sleeve mod? Do you have stock amps measured off the pack? Are you using DTP emitter boards (pcbs)? or the stock aluminum one?

    SS34 will limit you to 3A coming in off the pack. (Could be replaced with SS54 for up to 5A). Looks to me like R13 & R14 are the sense resistors - (2) R250's in parallel for 0.125 resulting resistance. One thing we know is that halving the resistance will double the current, so stacking two more R250's will double it.

    I'm not able to find specs on the FET - BA251N, but I'd guess it will be fine for your desired level. I'd say push for around 2.8A each (and maybe leave SS34 alone), but no higher than 3.5A each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gecco View Post
    Today I got my KD 2.
    I want to give it higher power.
    Which components do I need?
    Actually...you're posting photo's of an 880 clone. That's okay. Continue on.

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    Yes the name KD2 we are using for different light.

    Gecco there is missing picture of the other side of driver. We can't say anything for sure if we can't see all elements. To me, driver has pretty new design.

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    The required images of drivers are inserted above.

    Have just seen that the R5 and R6 components not visible because they are in the shade, should these be important I will look again.


    I have not modified yet, I have the Lamps only get,
    but already everything at home, but had no time yet.
    If I modify the cooling with copper and copper sleeves
    I take pictures and set them, OK.


    It would be very interesting whether the beam pattern for the 880 clone or for the Solarstorm X2 with the original reflectors is better or with Leddna lenses?
    There should be conversions, but I can not find any photos of the beam patterns
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    The IC3 chip is the one I wanted to see. It is LEDA so same 0,25V feedback voltage to calculate the current to the leds. With two R250 resistors it is 2A to the leds.

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