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    Introducing Xeccon + mtbRevolution

    Hello everyone,

    Xeccon Light would like to present "Xeccon" which will deal with all matters Xeccon.

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    Thanks Faye and hello all. Firstly let me introduce myself. Most of you will know me as Leonard of Magicshine AU but I am not here in that capacity. mtbRevolution is a separate entity working hand in hand with Xeccon Light for the promotion of Xeccon products. Both businesses are sponsors of this forum.

    In the next few weeks, you will hear more about Xeccon and their products especially the new Spiker series. We will also talk about other goodies from Xeccon like the S12 with upgraded U2 emitters. There has been background activity in this regard which soon be revealed. So watch this space.

    Xeccon requires little introduction but will now take this opportunity to step closer to the light. They are an experienced manufacturer of LED products who are now a registered trademark with patented products. Xeccon Light is driving its ambition to be a mainstream designer & manufacturer of bike lights and accessories. This means using innovative engineering, using quality parts and high regard for QC. It is not in Xeccon Lights modus operandi to bargain hunt for cheaper grades of componentry Ė I know a few do. To make the best of something you need the best and freshest ingredients. This is proven with product reviews found in other forums. This of course extends to the new products coming online.

    We will talk, listen and breathe lights. Listening to what riders want is the recipe to designing and producing great LED products. New ideas and concepts have been tossed around at Xeccon. We will see fruits of labour in due course. We would like to hear more from you, mtbr contributors on what you want. We canít promise you it will happen, but we promise we will listen.

    Xeccon has administration office in Bloomington, Indiana which manages the US market including warranty issues should they arise. Thatís buying confidence knowing your light warranty more than lip service. If you have warranty claim it will be dealt with promptly.

    Faye or a representative from Xeccon Light will also be involved in discussions and answering questions you may have on all things Xeccon. We will sign off accordingly.

    Thank you for your attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    4 modes, High, Low, Light Sense and Strobe
    What is this?

    Can we have some warm white LEDs please, and for gods sake NOBODY WANTS STROBE MODE ON A MOUNTAIN BIKE LIGHT. NOBODY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit View Post
    What is this?

    Can we have some warm white LEDs please, and for gods sake NOBODY WANTS STROBE MODE ON A MOUNTAIN BIKE LIGHT. NOBODY.
    Light Sense is an auto light-sensing mode. It's certainly something new for bike lights. The Spiker 1206 has this sensor at the back of the unit which senses ambient light around it and adjust the output accordingly - there will be reviews of the 1206 and others on mtbr shortly. If the user doesn't want to use that feature, he/she can just skip that mode and use the Spiker 1206 in normal hi, low or strobe modes.

    In my time dealing with lights, we have people insisting bike lights should have strobe while others think it's a waste of time - I've never used strobe in my night rides so to a degree I am with you there. Many commuters use their single spot lights on strobe in the daytime or late evening so they are seen in heavy traffic. Having a constant on makes them almost invisible in the "noise of lights" from cars, shops, signs etc.

    Cat lately made a suggestion to Gloworm on red lenses to covert the X2/V2 into a daytime rear be-seen-light. Now that won't work if the X2/V2 doesn't have a strobe mode.

    Xeccon will take all suggestions on board. There will be some lights with, and some without strobe. I've lived without it, but other's can't.

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    When will your website be up and running? Edit: I did see the Xeccon lights on the other site.

    Where are the Xeccon lights manufactured?

    Could you please post photos of the internal construction of the lights? For those of us who build lights, we would like to see how it's put together. The thermal transfer path from the LED to the housing is a big part of what separates the crappy lights from the quality lights.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit View Post
    Can we have some warm white LEDs please.
    On this subject, we need to have a mtbr Poll on LED colour/tone selection. It will be a useful insight to manufacturers.

    Xeccon Light, from now on known as just Xeccon will use more, if not all U2s from now on. I was asked not long ago to choose colour tone for our special order S12 with U2. I found it hard to make up my mind on what I want, let alone what the masses want. There are many who like a warmer white while other's prefer a cooler white. Some like pure white or blue tone while others like a yellow tone for depth perception.

    Will run the poll in due course. The Xeccon handle is a newbie so I don't think we can conduct polls yet. So if someone wants to start off that poll, we would appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .40AET View Post
    When will your website be up and running? Edit: I did see the Xeccon lights on the other site.

    Where are the Xeccon lights manufactured?

    Could you please post photos of the internal construction of the lights? For those of us who build lights, we would like to see how it's put together. The thermal transfer path from the LED to the housing is a big part of what separates the crappy lights from the quality lights.

    Thanks
    Xeccon lights are manufactured in "LED City" Shenzhen, China, just across from Hong Kong.

    On pics of internals, we will have to defer that request. The Spikers are brand new lights with some cool ideas incorporated into them. Reviews are being conducted as we speak. Lux, temperature readings etc will be published. The performance will speak volumes of the construction inside. Good or bad, we will find out.

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    Xeccon S-12 review/preview

    I thought I'd take this opportunity to tell people that I am one of the people that was contacted to review one of the new Xeccon lamps. Initially I declined because I really didn't want to mess with anything that I felt was meant to be used on the bars. I am very happy with my Gloworm X2 thank you. However since I am interested in finding a better/longer throwing helmet solution I asked if I could review something meant for the helmet. I guess the timing was right as Xeccon was about to release a U2 version of the S-12, the base product that the Bikeray Speed II is modeled after.

    So anyway I have the new U2 version of the S-12 in me hot little hands. So to whom it may concern:

    I have received the Xeccon S-12 from Xeccon for the purpose of doing an impartial user review. No money was paid for the light set. I have not been asked to return the lamp when the review is over. I do not work or receive any compensation for doing the review other than keeping the light ( If I chose to do so ) If Xeccon chooses to request the lamp back when I am done I will comply with the request.

    When I am ready I will post a separate thread for the review. The review will be very basic. I will compare it to a couple lamps and torches that I use for helmet duties. There will be no tear-down of the lamp or battery. There will be some beam shot photos but not many. Since I feel that any lamp might have to withstand some rain I will give it a quick 15 min. splash down some time during the review. As per my other review(s), if anything goes wrong I will report it as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by .40AET View Post
    ...Could you please post photos of the internal construction of the lights? For those of us who build lights, we would like to see how it's put together. The thermal transfer path from the LED to the housing is a big part of what separates the crappy lights from the quality lights.

    Thanks
    .40AET, Consider this a quickie peek at my review...The construction of the S-12 (U2) looks very solid. One thing I did notice right away is that it is a bit heavier than my MS 808E. No doubt the internal heat sink/reflector has some added weight. This should aid in the lamps ability to dissipate heat.

    So far I have only shone the light around a couple times while at work. I like what I'm initially seeing. Definitely is out-throwing my drop-in torches but of course I am getting ahead of myself. Best that I not add too much pre-review hype as I intend to let the beam photos do most of the talking.
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    Thanks for the declaration Cat. We will say as little as possible about the S12 with U2 so we don't pre-empt your review.

    We asked you because you have a reputation of saying things as they are(and an obsession for light throw). I remember your review and thoughts of the X1 when you first got it. You spoke freely without fear or favor. We expect no less from you here. Forum reviews are risky for manufacturers. The choice of coming to you is akin to a game of poker. We know we have a good hand and we're going all in.

    The S12 is not exactly new so we do not need a comprehensive introduction to the light. Just need your thoughts of how it looks, performs (including a good bath so don't hold back), weaknesses and improvement suggestions. We do not expect lux and temperature test for this S12 review. We need those for the Spiker 1206, 1207 and 1210 though.

    Xeccon will be releasing their rear light soon - if my meddling don't hold them up longer. mtbr members have commented on various occasions about wanting an uber bright rear light. We have to balance that with everyday use, so I have suggested to Xeccon to incorporate a dimmable or brightness mode feature on a XP-G (minimum) equipped rear blinker. It will not be XM-L U2, sorry. If anyone has suggestions or ideas, please feel free to share them in this thread.

    Reviewed lights should be in separate threads but anything to do with Xeccon and lights in general, please post in this one.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Thanks for the declaration Cat. We will say as little as possible about the S12 with U2 so we don't pre-empt your review.

    We asked you because you have a reputation of saying things as they are(and an obsession for light throw). I remember your review and thoughts of the X1 when you first got it. You spoke freely without fear or favor. We expect no less from you here. Forum reviews are risky for manufacturers. The choice of coming to you is akin to a game of poker. We know we have a good hand and we're going all in.

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    Okay, I win so hand over the Salmon.

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    Thanks for the Introduction Xeccon.

    Here is some information for reader to know what is ahead. Xeccon has sent me some of their Spiker Series light. I recieved them several days ago and have been getting myself familiar with them. I will be posting my review. They will not be all review at the same time to prevent clustering the board.

    At Znomit: I do have the 1206 light with sensor mode for review. That will be up soon. It senses the surrounding light and adjust the output. More on that in the review thread.

    At Catmando: I can hardly wait to see your review for the S12 U2. Sound like a impressive thrower.

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    Hi Colleen, you're welcome and thanks again for doing this for us. We will say the same to you as we've said to Cat. Review and report as you've tested them. If there are flaws, we want to get on top of it. Please take your time with the reviews. We are in no hurry. Doing them one at a time is probably the best idea.

    As for the review samples, it's normal practice for the reviewer to keep the items he/she reviewed whether the outcome is A+ or F. We won't break convention. If you are reviewing a Mercedes Benz E55 AMG then yes, we want it back.

    A note: I just ordered some 1207s. Xeccon will build 1207s in U2 for us because we do not want anything else. I think you may have been given the standard spec 1207 before this was confirmed. I will confirm with Faye.

    We have been talking about a Poll for colour tints, whether it's T6 or U2. I need to know what to list on the poll. Warm White, Cool White, Pure White, Yellow-er tints, Blue-r tints and I know Greener tints are out the window so we won't include that. Or quote in spectrum numbers. So readers please tell us what tints you like and we'll put on the poll list and see how they fare in percentage terms. We will make future decisions from there.

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    Gee, interesting to see that the S12's "output can reach as high as 1600 Lumens"

    How did you manage that?

    Tim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    Gee, interesting to see that the S12's "output can reach as high as 1600 Lumens"

    How did you manage that?

    Tim
    Members who know me here know I do not subscribe to those kind of marketing. Where did you see that published?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    znomit, "Xeccon" the mtbr member did not post the paragraph you quoted. Please show link to where we said that.

    We cannot be responsible for what others say other forums or websites. We did not say it and we have no control over them.
    Quotes are from your website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit View Post
    Quotes are from your website.
    but not quotes in the mtbr forum. So you agree I did not say that here.

    We do not speak like that on mtbRevolution.com or magicshineledlights.com.au. If you are referring to xecconlight.com. I will look into it. I do not control their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Members who know me here know I do not subscribe to those kind of marketing. Where did you see that published?
    Leonard
    Leonard

    Here's where I found it: http://www.xecconlight.com/cree-t6-led-bike-light-s12
    by following the link in your signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wombat View Post
    Hi Tim, we are doing reviews of 3 lights so we can get closer lumen numbers etc. so lets wait for the review. Cat's review of S12 U2 is not part of the review involving integrating sphere and temperature test. We are looking to confirm the S12 U2, not standard S12, throws well.

    Please check mtbRevolution.com. instead for reference - we have an ad banner on the right and our own signature mtbRevolution.com. If we are saying something wrong there by all means tell me. Xecconlight.com is not under my control and is going through a re-vamp before their banner ad becomes live. It will match theoretical lumens and estimated nominal lumens standards we are used to.

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    Hi all, we have not been away, but we have been away from the reviews as to let the review/s flow with minimal interference. If we didnít answer you itís not because we didnít read your questions. We just needed to step aside which is hard to do because we believe in quick responding customer service. We asked Colleen and Cat to review our lights because they will find out everything there is to know about the lights they are reviewing. Itís THEIR review. We will keep it that way.

    With their expertise, experience and technical knowledge with lights, they are more than capable answering questions from members. We leave it to them to answer you in their review post. If you have questions in the general nature or questions about the lights being reviewed but want to ask us directly, please do so here.

    With two reviews in progress and another two to come Ė the 1207 and 1210, we will continue talking about other things happening at Xeccon. We will reveal there are two more new Spikers about to be launched. So thatís a total of 5 new Spikers and a new rear light in Xecconís new arsenal.

    Now, we have also spoken about the market wanting a really bright rear light. The new one we just spoke about has gone too far into the process to be changed. However, suggestions have been taken on board so we will be looking into building that really bright rear light soon. This high-powered rear light will not be a self-contained unit.

    Xeccon will have an exhibitors booth at Interbike 2012 happening in Las Vegas, Sept 19-21. We will launch another exciting new product then which I am not at liberty to divulge at the moment. If you are at Interbike, please drop by and say hello to our US representatives who are in charge of the US market. They are the people handling warranties and new reseller contracts. For resellers interested in working with Xeccon, please contact Faye at Xeccon.

    After the dust has settled from the launch of the Spikers and the buzz of Interbike over, we will get back to working on the bright rear light and some prototypes. We have been working on some concepts including an insanely long throwing bar light. We will see how that goes. As you would have noticed, Xeccon don't do ordinary.

    We still havenít done the LED tint poll. To make it simple, my suggestion would be Warm, Neutral or Cool White. We will get it going soon. Majority rules so please put in your vote so we can best work for YOU.

    We also mentioned about XecconLight having a banner ad above mtbrevolution.com. That has been deferred, for now. We have spoken to admin about some issues which they will look into.

    All seems to be going well to date so by the end of next week, I will demand Cat to pass over the Salmon.

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    New Product Update

    Hi all,

    Xeccon will be releasing it's new rear light. This micro design will also be used for a front light model equipped with Cree XM-L U2. The rear light will be equipped with Cree R2 Red with 200 theoretical lumens probably producing over 100 lumens. We're still working on the mounting options before release. This is a sneak preview of the lamp head.

    Geinea weights a mere 23 grams. Dimensions are 27 diameter by 23mm long. The reflector uses an optical lens. Runtime with the R2 Red is approximately 15 hours and 3.5 hours with the U2.

    The light set will come with Xeccon's BAK 4400mAh battery. It will be sold individually or as a set including Y cables to share the battery pack. Connectors are standard so it will work with most batteries.

    Xeccon is still working on a brighter rear light. We will bring you news closer to date.

    Happy trails.

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    anxiously awaiting more info on this set! Me want!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saypat View Post
    anxiously awaiting more info on this set! Me want!
    It will be out in about 20 days from now. The front or rear light interest you, Pat? If it throws well, it would make a great helmet light.

    The brighter rear light is on the drawing board. It will most probably be multiple XPG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Hi all,

    Xeccon will be releasing it's new rear light. This micro design will also be used for a front light model equipped with Cree XM-L U2. The rear light will be equipped with Cree R2 Red with 200 theoretical lumens probably producing over 100 lumens. We're still working on the mounting options before release. This is a sneak preview of the lamp head.

    Geinea weights a mere 23 grams. Dimensions are 27 diameter by 23mm long. The reflector uses an optical lens. Runtime with the R2 Red is approximately 15 hours and 3.5 hours with the U2.

    The light set will come with Xeccon's BAK 4400mAh battery. It will be sold individually or as a set including Y cables to share the battery pack. Connectors are standard so it will work with most batteries.

    Xeccon is still working on a brighter rear light. We will bring you news closer to date.

    Happy trails.

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    Hi Leonard,
    Interesting light, this should attract lots of attention! Hope things are going well for you.
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    What do you think lumens will be for the U2. Also, do you have a helmet mount for it.

    I have a GEO battery and a Y cable already so this is interesting as a rear light as well.

    Let us know when you know the individual price.

    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    It will be out in about 20 days from now. The front or rear light interest you, Pat? If it throws well, it would make a great helmet light.

    The brighter rear light is on the drawing board. It will most probably be multiple XPG.

    Leonard

    Greetings Leonard! I'll keep my eyes open for it. Interested in the set. Are both coming out on the 20th, or just the front, as u said the rear is on the drawing board? Thanks Leonard, take care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saypat View Post
    Interested in the set. Are both coming out on the 20th, or just the front, as u said the rear is on the drawing board? Thanks Leonard, take care...
    patrick
    Hi Pat, the Geinea is both front U2 and rear R2 Red light. Will advise when it's both available. At this stage, it's 19 days to go but being new products, there may be delays.

    There is a second rear light pending. The design is based on what I think riders like yourself want. We just have to work on the practicalities of the triangular 3 x XP-G design. Xeccon engineers think it's workable so, fingers crossed. We can go 800 lumens easy but that would be excessive. 400-500 real lumens is already the high end of town. Our aim is the vicinity of DS500 and 400R. Please let me know what you guys think.

    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    What do you think lumens will be for the U2. Also, do you have a helmet mount for it.

    I have a GEO battery and a Y cable already so this is interesting as a rear light as well.

    Let us know when you know the individual price.

    Thx

    MB
    Hi mb, I have not been given that information yet. Chances are, it won't be driven as hard as the S12 U2 or Spiker 1206. Mounting options are being considered. Helmet mount most certainly under consideration. Will advise when I hear more.

    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Hi Leonard,
    Interesting light, this should attract lots of attention! Hope things are going well for you.
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    Merci Monsieur Mole.
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    Request for Colleen: Temp Test & Amp Draw

    Colleen, can you please do a temp test and amp draw especially for the Spiker 1210. Would love to know how well that red-carrot-grater heat sink works compared to the 872 and 872 clone especially. Interesting wall shot comparison of all 4 lights. The 1210 and 872 clone has almost identical brightness and beam pattern.

    If not too much to ask, can you please post the amp draw and runtime of the 1207 T6. My runtime test got an average of 3 hours 35 mins over 6 runs for the U2 OD version. I'm keen to know where the extra 1 hour runtime comes from. The MJ-880 with 6600mAh runs for about 2.5 hours at 2.8A in comparison.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I would be interested of using a non self contained rear light which performs way better than my Niteflux RZ4 and Dinotte 300R combo. A rear light that has 800 real lumens on flash mode for day time use and a 500 real lumens on steady mode for night riding. Possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwanttorideatnight View Post
    I would be interested of using a non self contained rear light which performs way better than my Niteflux RZ4 and Dinotte 300R combo. A rear light that has 800 real lumens on flash mode for day time use and a 500 real lumens on steady mode for night riding. Possible?
    Hi Iwanttorideatnight, 800 lumens is certainly possible. Heat won't be a problem in it's small shell since it's not constantly on. Imagine something bigger like a Bikeray 3 or similar tri-XP-G R5s as a rear light, strobbing away. Used in midday it would be great. 500 lumens in the night is still quite high.

    During design, the idea of incorporating Light Sense like what's used in the Spiker 1206 was considered. This time in reverse. If there is enough ambient light, this rear light will go max output. As ambient light fades, the output lowers.

    Xeccon's new wireless remote is another possibility. However like all products, we need to aim for miniature size and a pricepoint where people feel comfortable paying.

    We are still in the process so please let us know your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwanttorideatnight View Post
    I would be interested of using a non self contained rear light which performs way better than my Niteflux RZ4 and Dinotte 300R combo. A rear light that has 800 real lumens on flash mode for day time use and a 500 real lumens on steady mode for night riding. Possible?
    I think once you pass 500 lumen for a rear light you're passing the point of diminished returns. Five hundred lumen is damn bright for a rear light. If you go higher you are going to need more emitters and bigger batteries. Five hundred lumen should be more than enough for day time use and still keep the lamp and battery size to a minimum. Personally I favor "Amber LED's" for day time use. The RZ4 and 300R should be more than enough for sunset/night use. Anymore is just overkill.

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    Hey Leonard

    From my perspective, Cat has it right for night time riding. 400 lumens is sufficient.

    However, during the day, I still use 2 rear lights and the more lumens the better. I have had drivers pass me and can see right in the car that they are texting as they drive. Amazing. I've seen this numerous times.

    A light that automatically uses ambient light in reverse and maybe hits 800 lumens sounds great.

    Although I have switched to mainly Mtn bike, the few times a month I do go out, I would feel safer w/ a bad a** bright light. Anything to get someone's attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    What do you think lumens will be for the U2.
    Let us know when you know the individual price.
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    Hi mb. According to Xeccon, the U2 version of the Geinea will be driven about the same as the Spiker 1206. Going back to Colleen's review of the 1206, we should expect an amp draw of about 1.1A. A little under-driven but probably good thermal management considering it's size and lack of heat sinking. As you recall, the 1206 ran pretty cool in her temp test.

    The 1206 had a 700 lumen reading from her sphere. Geinea uses optics and depending on the beam pattern via those optics, best guess is 650-680 lumen range.

    Tried to imagine the beam pattern from such a light, so I took out my MJ-880 U2, set it to level 4 or 80% brightness and covered one lens with my thumb. If a micro light weighing 23 grams produced that kind of brightness, it would be something. A tighter beam angle will further improve it for helmet duties.

    Will advise when the price is released.

    Also, hear what you're saying about the 3 LED rear light brightness. I use the MJ-818 (about 50 lumens) myself and find that too bright for my needs already. A problem with using ultra bright rear lights in urban areas is, you may encounter bird flippin' every so often.

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    (QUOTE FROM SPIKER 1206 REVIEW)
    Cat, Xeccon or Colleen,

    I'm very interested in these lights as I'm looking for a spot thrower for use on the helmet. Cat's review of the S-12 suggests it is the king of spot-throw! But a quick look on the mtbRevolution site indicates this light is very similar.

    So here's my question: how does the Spiker 1206 compare to the S-12 in terms of beam? On paper the Spiker 1206 and S-12 seem pretty similar, maybe with just a different housing. Is the reflector the main difference? I like the housing of the 1206 better mostly because of where the cable comes out, and it seems to be more waterproof. But if the S-12 is a more focused, powerful spot-thrower, that is where I'll go....

    Thanks guys and keep up the good work!
    Hi Slyfink, I will answer you here. Since Cat has the S12 U2 and Colleen has the Spiker 1206 and neither of them have both, it's probably better if I answered your question.

    The S12 U2 and the Spiker 1206 are both equipped with XM-L U2 OD. The big difference is the distorted mirror finish reflector which doubles as a heat sink of the S12 compared to a relatively standard orange peel reflector used by 1206. Majority of spots use OP finish reflector which smooths out transition but lack throw compared to a mirror finish like the S12.

    The heat sink reflector housing alone weights 25 grams - that's heavier than the whole Geinea light head. There are 2 o-rings which seal the reflector. This is a big addition to it's weight but necessary for good heat management and throw performance. Now the Cat's out of the bag on why the S12 out throws most lights.

    So, the conclusion is if you're after throw, go S12 - you will not be disappointed, I promise you. If you're after a general spot light with features go 1206. Close to mid range flood go 1210. 3/4 range flood is best handled by 1207

    The Spikers have better waterproofing design than the S series. The S series will pass waterproofing test you throw at it.

    Please let me know if you have other questions to help you make your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Colleen, can you please do a temp test and amp draw especially for the Spiker 1210. Would love to know how well that red-carrot-grater heat sink works compared to the 872 and 872 clone especially. Interesting wall shot comparison of all 4 lights. The 1210 and 872 clone has almost identical brightness and beam pattern.

    If not too much to ask, can you please post the amp draw and runtime of the 1207 T6. My runtime test got an average of 3 hours 35 mins over 6 runs for the U2 OD version. I'm keen to know where the extra 1 hour runtime comes from. The MJ-880 with 6600mAh runs for about 2.5 hours at 2.8A in comparison.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Will do the temp test on the 1210.

    The 1207 T6 draw 2.45 on initial start up and settle to 2.32 amps after two minutes. I was able to get 3hr 21min of runtime from a test I done this weekend. Don't know where the extra time came from. I do not see any PWM in the high mode. I use a camera on manual setting at f8 and scroll from 1/30 to 1/2500 shutter and did not see any blinking from the led. I did see some from the 1210 and I think that's from the stepless setting since that light do not really have a high mode. I did not test the lumen output at the last hour mark and that migh be where the extra runtime may occur if the unit did indeed step down but just from observation, the brightness seem to be the same as the initial start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    Will do the temp test on the 1210.

    The 1207 T6 draw 2.45 on initial start up and settle to 2.32 amps after two minutes. I was able to get 3hr 21min of runtime from a test I done this weekend. Don't know where the extra time came from. I do not see any PWM in the high mode. I use a camera on manual setting at f8 and scroll from 1/30 to 1/2500 shutter and did not see any blinking from the led. I did see some from the 1210 and I think that's from the stepless setting since that light do not really have a high mode. I did not test the lumen output at the last hour mark and that migh be where the extra runtime may occur if the unit did indeed step down but just from observation, the brightness seem to be the same as the initial start.
    So there's a 0.4A difference with the MJ-880. Is this enough to give it an extra 50 mins runtime with the T6 version? Good question, heh?

    From the comparison of the 1210, 872, 872 Clone and BR4, wall shot, it seems the 1210 to have an ever so slightly brighter hotspot compared to the clone. Can we confirm this with a lux test?

    Have to give credit when due. 872 Clone manufacturer: You've done well.

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    Excellent Service!

    All I can say is Excellent Service!

    Based on Cat-man-do's user review, I decided to get the S12 with Cree XM-L U2. The current offer of free express shipping certainly tipped the balance to ordering it before next payday.

    Placed my order at 12:30 Sunday night/Monday Morning. I received a response from Leonard within a few minutes. Exchanged a couple of emails clarifying points re electrical plug-in, colour availability with North American connection, and that the US style connection would be shipped from Hong Kong. Emails also included some personal chit-chat, and answers to Q's about upcoming products.

    Order shipped Monday, with tracking number received that evening.

    Shipment received in Calgary, AB, Canada Wednesday evening.

    Gave it a quick shine around. It easily light up things on the other side of the condo complex.

    I honestly did not expect to get it in time for my camping/biking trip in the Rocky Mountains this weekend. Can't wait to get it fully charged and take it out on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Hi Slyfink, I will answer you here. Since Cat has the S12 U2 and Colleen has the Spiker 1206 and neither of them have both, it's probably better if I answered your question.

    The S12 U2 and the Spiker 1206 are both equipped with XM-L U2 OD. The big difference is the distorted mirror finish reflector which doubles as a heat sink of the S12 compared to a relatively standard orange peel reflector used by 1206. Majority of spots use OP finish reflector which smooths out transition but lack throw compared to a mirror finish like the S12.

    The heat sink reflector housing alone weights 25 grams - that's heavier than the whole Geinea light head. There are 2 o-rings which seal the reflector. This is a big addition to it's weight but necessary for good heat management and throw performance. Now the Cat's out of the bag on why the S12 out throws most lights.

    So, the conclusion is if you're after throw, go S12 - you will not be disappointed, I promise you. If you're after a general spot light with features go 1206. Close to mid range flood go 1210. 3/4 range flood is best handled by 1207

    The Spikers have better waterproofing design than the S series. The S series will pass waterproofing test you throw at it.

    Please let me know if you have other questions to help you make your decision.

    Leonard
    awesome, thank you. Sounds like an S12 is in my future. one last question though: can I use the lighthead with my geomangear batteries?

    thanks again, looking forward to giving this sucker a try!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    All I can say is Excellent Service!

    Based on Cat-man-do's user review, I decided to get the S12 with Cree XM-L U2. The current offer of free express shipping certainly tipped the balance to ordering it before next payday.

    Placed my order at 12:30 Sunday night/Monday Morning. I received a response from Leonard within a few minutes. Exchanged a couple of emails clarifying points re electrical plug-in, colour availability with North American connection, and that the US style connection would be shipped from Hong Kong. Emails also included some personal chit-chat, and answers to Q's about upcoming products.

    Order shipped Monday, with tracking number received that evening.

    Shipment received in Calgary, AB, Canada Wednesday evening.

    Gave it a quick shine around. It easily light up things on the other side of the condo complex.

    I honestly did not expect to get it in time for my camping/biking trip in the Rocky Mountains this weekend. Can't wait to get it fully charged and take it out on the trails.
    Ian, I'm in Canada too, and I was wondering what shipping method you used, and did you get charged extra fees other than taxes? And did you have to specify in your order that you're in North America?

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slyfink View Post
    awesome, thank you. Sounds like an S12 is in my future. one last question though: can I use the lighthead with my geomangear batteries?

    thanks again, looking forward to giving this sucker a try!
    Hi Slyfink, most certainly can. All Xeccon connectors are standard MS, Inton, Bikeray, GMG, Open Light and most of the generics.

    I will answer your questions to Ian if he doesn't answer you in 24 hours.

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    mtbRevolution's current deal as per the "Xeccon+mtbRevolution Midnight Specials" thread includes free express shipping on select products. My S12 arrived via DHL Express.

    I did not get charged duty, GST, or a customs processing fee.

    So in my eyes, this mtbRevolution package was ideal.

    I know the Canadian government recently changed the amount you can import when traveling. I don't know if this also affected online/mail order limits. It used to be that officially above $25 (in real life above $60) triggered customs inspection. Maybe they've gotten a bit more lenient. Pure guestimate on my part, but I suspect that if you ordered multiple lights at once, it might put the total in a $ rage that could cause the CBSA to want a look-see (Canada Border Services Agency). That can also be affected by how the shipper lists the "Declared value for customs purposes."

    I've got two orders, from other suppliers, coming by different modes of transport with slightly higher $ values. For one, Canada Post tracking is calling it Express Post. The other it's labeled it Registered Letter Mail. I'll let you know if they get the subject to GST, customs inspection, and its processing fee.

    I've been excitedly showing my S12 around the office all day. You know, a big kid with a new toy. Everyone just gets a stunned look and says "Wow, that's bright!"

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    Let us know hoe you like your light and how it compares to other lights that you might have. Are you planning to use it on your helmet?

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    Just to compliment Leonard's service - ordered S12 U2 based on Cat's review. Although that was before free shipping promotion, lights were shipped very quick to Europe, and as I've already did couple of rides - perfect helmet light! Thanks Leo! PS. No customer charges so far ,too..

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    Shipping Update

    Hi all,

    China is having their Autumn Festival holidays from 30th Sep to Oct 7. There will be no shipping from our China office during this time. Not because we are not working but freight agents etc aren't. Items which have to be shipped from there will be dispatched on the 8th. When China goes on holidays, basically everything shuts down.

    We have stock for most items in Australia for the Midnight Specials so please send us a PM, e-mail or speak to us on Live Help to confirm. We have limited number of chargers so please hurry if you want your items quickly.

    K.T of WA, USA. We have voided the transaction after 5 e-mail attempts since 25th to confirm. Please check the e-mail you registered in our website. Paypal payment has been sent back to you. As mentioned, it's not part of the special but will do it for you anyway. S14 stock will be available in our China office Oct 10th. Please re-order the S14 then.

    @Babas. Thanks A. Sounds like you're enjoying the light. Ride safe and happy trails.

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    Geinea I update

    Hi all,

    We have news to share with you on the Geinea front and rear lights. Xeccon wanted to improve on the design hence the delay. Reviews will be posted here soon. Cat will be doing the review of the Geinea's. Colleen will review the Spiker 1211 when ready sometime next month.

    Meanwhile the "super thrower twin light" and the 3 LED rear light are in the pipeline. These two are my concepts. AutoCAD designs are done. Patent application is sought for them as with all new Xeccon lights.

    We will include some Geinea pics and beam shots. Anodized colors, mountings and remote may be prototypes. We will have final product specification in a few days.

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    Hurricane Sandy

    Hi all,

    Just a quick announcement. Shipments to the eastern seaboard will probably be delayed because of Sandy. Shipments sent today to a couple of places in NC and MD may be affected. They may end up being stuck in LA Gateway till the hurricane clears. Do keep safe to everyone in affected areas.

    In other shipment delay news, China is still having their month long confab for next President. Li-ion products may be delayed because of security issues. We have been sending from AU for the past 2 weeks and will continue to do so till it's ok to do so again.

    Thanks for your attention.

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    MTBR SPECIAL: Xeccon Geinea Rear Light for USA and Australia

    Hi all, we are having a promo special on the ultra bright Xeccon Geinea rear light set. The set has updated 4 mode UIs. Steady Hi, Steady Low, Slow Strobe and Fast Strobe. Price is USD69.00 for USA Special and AUD 69.00 for AU Special. Due to the Chinese New Year Holidays, we are unable to ship to anywhere else but will resume full international shipping two weeks from now.

    We guarantee this light will enhance your riding safety not only in the night but in the mid afternoon. The set comes with a 2 cell battery in silicone boot. Yet to be completed review on mtbr is here. Apologies for the delay getting the 4 mode UI's going so the reviews can resume here and on Bikeforums. Including some pics of the light set boxes and the front light only since it's the first time it's shown in public.

    Please e-mail or speak to us on Live Help in the websites should you have questions.
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    A quick announcement. The mtbrevolution.com [edit] website's server hardware upgrade is complete. For extra information on Xeccon products you can choose to visit our other site.[end edit]

    We are ending our association with Magicshine but will keep the domain name, for now. Our focus on that website is with Xeccon and to a smaller degree Inton & Bikeray.

    The 6600mAh battery link is here
    Geinea Rear Light link is here
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    Good info!

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    What's the difference between the S12 U2 and the S14 U2 lights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRILLINDK View Post
    What's the difference between the S12 U2 and the S14 U2 lights?
    The S12 U2 is a mirror finish reflector light while the S14 U2 is orange peel (OP). Mirror finish reflectors tend to help throw light better than OP reflectors. OP reflectors smooths out the donut ring effect giving it a better flood beam pattern compared to the S12 U2 which has very concentrated light with an intense spot perfect for helmet use.

    The S12 U2 equipped with XM-L U2 OD while the S14 U2 uses standard U2. We'll be getting a prototype S12 XM-L2 in the next couple of weeks. It is said to be 5-10% brighter. Question is, what do we call it?
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