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    Thanks for the reply. Yes, I had heard the new XM L2 was coming out. Any ideas on an eta for incorporating it into a Xeccon light? I'm looking to purchase around May or June, but would love to have the Cree XM L2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRILLINDK View Post
    Thanks for the reply. Yes, I had heard the new XM L2 was coming out. Any ideas on an eta for incorporating it into a Xeccon light? I'm looking to purchase around May or June, but would love to have the Cree XM L2.
    Will have the XM-L2 in our S12s by then. Faye of XecconLight is definitely looking at putting them in the Spiker 1206s. While I am always aiming for grunt, they are aiming for efficiency.
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    Re: Introducing Xeccon + mtbRevolution

    Cool. Keep me posted.

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    Hi all, just a few announcements. We've changed our Australian website as mtbRevolution Australia but will keep the domain name for now. mtbrRevolution.com will continue as it has but will get a sprucing up.

    The Geinea rear light sale is still on and so are the soft pack batteries from Bloomington IN. There are no more hard shell versions there at the moment but drop us a line if it's more than one battery, we'll get it to you via FedEx or DHL. They are available on mtbRevolution.com and in our AU website.

    The "S12 Two" will be out mid April. Like the S12 U2, this upgraded XM-L2 version is exclusive to mtbRevolution. From our understanding, everyone else has the original T6 version. We are currently offering Pre-Orders at AUD 105.00 with the BAK 4400mAh. We'll offer the Lithium Polymer 6000mAh and S12 Two at USD 120.00 including DHL/FedEx shipping. Average transit time 12 days from order.

    The Sogn 700 6 x LED twin light will be released very shortly. We will have samples in a couple of weeks. There will be two versions - standard and wireless remote version. Will confirm the lumen numbers when I see it. Nearly fell off my chair first reading the numbers on e-mail. There are other models like the Spiker 1211 and Xeccon Niguer already released but we'll talk about those later.
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    Hi Leonard! I'm interested in the S12 Two + Spiker kit. Is the Spiker 1211 the newer version of the Spiker 1207 with the XM-L2's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRILLINDK View Post
    Hi Leonard! I'm interested in the S12 Two + Spiker kit. Is the Spiker 1211 the newer version of the Spiker 1207 with the XM-L2's?
    Hey DRILLINDK, the S12 Two will be available just over a week from now. Can send it with whatever bar light you choose. A side note: the Spiker 1210 now comes with 3 modes - Hi>Med>Lo and no stepless dimming.

    The Spiker 1211 is more like a 1206 single XM-L variation. So it's not a mtb bar light but probably a road bike bar light if it throws light well. I will check with Faye if they are fitting those with XM-L2. We can certainly get them to do that for us.
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    Re: Introducing Xeccon + mtbRevolution

    Is the spider 1210 the new 1207 with the new Cree light?

    Are you planning on pricing them both together like the s12and 1207 are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRILLINDK View Post
    Is the spider 1210 the new 1207 with the new Cree light?

    Are you planning on pricing them both together like the s12and 1207 are?
    Hi DRILLINDK, replied both questions on PM. Clarify for those who don't know. XM-L2 can be fitted on the Spiker 1207 - most probably in our new stock. The S12 U2, Spiker 1206 and 1207s, they are currently fitted with XM-L U2 OD. Spiker 1210s are fitted with 4 x XP-G so it cannot be upgraded to 4 x XM-L2. If it's worth the exercise, it can be fitted with XP-G2s. Should there be a quad XM-L2 model in the future, it would probably be another brand new model.

    Will include preview pics of the Spiker 1211, Niguer 300 and Sogn 700. XecconLight is still working on other new models. There will have an impressive range by the end of the year.
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    This "Sogn 700" looks very interesting Len. 6-up? ( XP-G2? ) WIRELESS REMOTE !......What's the expected output?

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    price?, weight?, size?, estimated power?, real lumens?, it sounds interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by pabcor View Post
    price?, weight?, size?, estimated power?, real lumens?, it sounds interesting
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    This "Sogn 700" looks very interesting Len. 6-up? ( XP-G2? ) WIRELESS REMOTE !......What's the expected output?
    Sorry it took me 24 hours to respond. I needed to double-check so I don't end up back-peddling on my statements. Before I continue, let me share this with everyone. Some model names Xeccon use are "significant transliterations" to the boss. With that aside, lets talk about the Sogn.

    The Sogn 700 and 900 are two models with multiple LEDs. From my understanding, the wireless remote model will be fitted with XP-G R5s. Estimated max output 2800 lumens. The standard remote version will be fitted with either XM-L U2 or XM-L2. This heavily depends on the availability of the XM-L2s - it's not easy getting stock. Everyone's after it. The estimated max output for the XM-L version is in the vicinity of 4000 lumens. How close to max are these lights driven? I will say more when I have the lights in my hands in 10 days time - barring no delays. I was concerned with heat dissipation when I first read it. Faye has assured there is significant thermal dissipation and management in the design. To date, Xeccon light heads have proven to operate cooler than most time after time. If Xeccon Light has produced a high output light with great thermal management, this would be another feather to their cap.

    Specifications for the XP-G R5 model are:

    LED: 6 x Cree XP-G R5
    Max Output: 2800 Lumens
    Max Runtime: 2.2 hrs
    Modes:
    Switch A: The first 3 x R5 > Second 3 x R5 > 6 x R5 100% > 6 x R5 30% > 6 x R5 10% > OFF
    Switch B: Fast Flash > Slow Flash > Lower Flash (2 per sec) > SOS
    Reflector: Orange peel aluminum reflector
    Material: Aircraft-grade aluminum
    Surface treatment: Normal-anodized
    Color: Black
    Battery: 1 x 12.6v 4400mAh Battery Pack (included but there would be battery options in the future)
    Waterproof: IPX 5
    Dimensions:50mm(L)*67mm(W)*34mm(H)
    Light head Weight: 150g


    The XM-L model should have the same modes. Weight may be a tad more. Expect a larger battery.

    No price as yet. It won't be anywhere near the price neighborhood of the My Tiny Sun Pro 3600 X which the Sogn can compare with. Get back to you as soon as I know.
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    Spiker 1211, Niguer 300, Sogn 700 & 900

    Received the Spiker 1211, Niguer 300, Sogn 700 and 900 sets. They look really good.

    Firstly, the Spiker 1211. This light is small and light-weight. At 66 grams with the cable and connector this is the second lightest front light behind the Geinea light head. Dimensions is 35mm in diameter and 43mm long. Fitted with XM-L U2 to pump out 650 real lumens. The spot intensity is bright. Will publish runtime test later.

    Next up is the Niguer 300. This is another XM-L light. Beam pattern and brightness is about the same as the 1211. The special feature of the Niguer is it's waterproof capabilities. It can be submerged up to 2 meters of water. Weight is 98 grams with cable and connector. Dimensions are 34mm in diameter and 49mm long. All new lights from Xeccon comes with square connectors which is a better waterproofing design. It is still compatible with standard MS type connectors but will not be waterproof.

    The Sogn 900 is smaller than I first thought. Build quality is excellent. Weight is 175grams for the light head with alloy cam lock. 223 grams with controller, cables and connectors. Brightness? Will give any twin XM-L a run for their money. It's substantially brighter than the Spiker 1207. The wall shot comparison with the MJ-880U shows pretty similar initial output - maybe even a little brighter because the tint is white. Xeccon's thermal management will see it keep that brightness 5 > 8 > 15 mins onwards with it's twin XM-L2 emitter. Lumen count won't fall like a lead balloon. Will publish beamshots later this week. We are currently doing some runtime test. XecconLight would like to do some minor tweaking so there won't be a review for the Sogn 700 standard, wireless and Sogn 900 till later.

    The brightness of the Sogn 700 standard light is phenomenal - my test unit came with XM-L U2 not XM-L2. Build is bigger and basically similar but not identical especially the sides of the body. Weight is 230 grams for light head with alloy cam lock. 289 grams with remote, cables and connector. The Sogn 700 runs on a 12.6V 5600mAh hard shell battery. The first run gave me only 1 hour 28 mins on max brightness. Good or bad? Good because the super white brightness comes from high draw with good thermal management. Bad because you can't have this type of insanity for too long.

    Just in: Runtime test for the Sogn 900 is over 2 hours 15 mins using the Xeccon 6600mAh hardshell. That's less runtime than 880U which may mean high amp draw. Side note: I am dying to hook it up to the LiPo pack next.
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    Leonard,
    Those are some great looking new products...especially the Sogn.
    BTW...I updated my review of the Xeccon Hard case battery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Leonard,
    Those are some great looking new products...especially the Sogn.
    BTW...I updated my review of the Xeccon Hard case battery...
    Thanks Mayor. That's what we want to hear. Just completed the first runtime test for a single S12 Two with standard BAK 4400mAh and 3 with LiPo 6000mAh packs. I am seeing efficiency with the XM-L2s. While it's only slightly brighter than the S12 U2, the runtimes show tell different story. We have been consistently getting 3 hours 15 mins from the S12 U2 with BAK 4400. My first run with the S12 Two with 4400 came in at 4 hours 24 mins. I have to redo it two more runs to be sure it's not a freak result.

    LiPo packs gave me longer runtime but the first and last 2 were quite apart. The first one went off at 6 hours 18 mins while the other 2 depleted at 6 hours 46 mins. Will need to do another run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Thanks Mayor. That's what we want to hear. Just completed the first runtime test for a single S12 Two with standard BAK 4400mAh and 3 with LiPo 6000mAh packs. I am seeing efficiency with the XM-L2s. While it's only slightly brighter than the S12 U2, the runtimes show tell different story. We have been consistently getting 3 hours 15 mins from the S12 U2 with BAK 4400. My first run with the S12 Two with 4400 came in at 4 hours 24 mins. I have to redo it two more runs to be sure it's not a freak result.

    LiPo packs gave me longer runtime but the first and last 2 were quite apart. The first one went off at 6 hours 18 mins while the other 2 depleted at 6 hours 46 mins. Will need to do another run.
    Hi Leonard,
    I was wondering if along with increased brightness and runtime if you also notice a cooler running lighthead with the XM-L2's extra effeciency. Summer nghts in Phoenix do a good job of testing the thermal protection functions of most lights so a cooler running light is important to me. Please let me know if you can tell any difference.
    Mole

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Hi Leonard,
    I was wondering if along with increased brightness and runtime if you also notice a cooler running lighthead with the XM-L2's extra effeciency. Summer nghts in Phoenix do a good job of testing the thermal protection functions of most lights so a cooler running light is important to me. Please let me know if you can tell any difference.
    Mole
    Hi Mole, the S12 Twos are running barely warm with the fan on level 1. The Sogn 900 runs even cooler from what I can tell considering it's brightness and lower runtime could mean an approximate 2.8A amp draw. Faye assured me the Sogn's have "special thermal treatment" weeks ago. They run very cool considering their power. I am doing the second runtime test now with the 900 hooked to the LiPo pack . I can't say for sure how well this light will do in AZ. I will do a test later without air flow and see what I get.
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    Hi Leonard, this is what I'd like to see.

    1. Some simple (no abbreviations) definitions or explanations to the light(s) emitter(s) Example Cree XML U2/L2/T6
    2. The perceived difference (to the eyes) between cool white/neutral white/warm white tints etc.
    3. What does it mean when bins are spoken about?
    4. When you would prefer a smooth reflector and why?
    5. When would you prefer a orange peel reflector and why?
    I'll try to think of more. btw I have two GeoManGear lights and a Amazon clone. I can't tell the difference. I would assume the Amazon battery is junk. Right now we have three bikes and three lights, but we want six lights so I'm learning as much as I can. Thank you for being here.

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    Hi Sam, I will try my best to answer your questions:

    1. Some simple (no abbreviations) definitions or explanations to the light(s) emitter(s) Example Cree XML U2/L2/T6
    LED emitters have gone through leaps and bounds in a few short years. When the first Seoul SemiConductor SSC P7 came in, everyone was in awe with the brightness of this revolutionary LED (including ourselves since we bought two Nitelights [which are 808s] before we got into this business). The Cree revolution then began with the X-Lamps. XM-L T5 and T6s saw us waving goodbye to the P7s. Then the XM-L U2s came along and out of that, we have sub-bins within the U2 bins. We have the XM-L U2 OD in our S12 U2s. Just when we thought the next step of this evolution will be the commercial offerings of U3 and U4, Cree branched off to the XM-L2. This is the latest LED emitter from Cree and it's really a long way since the SSC P7. Bear in mind the bikelight market is only a small part of Cree's business. XM-L emitters are used in commercial office and warehouse lighting, street lighting, parking bays, petrol stations, all with much higher order volumes.

    2. The perceived difference (to the eyes) between cool white/neutral white/warm white tints etc.
    I was about to publish the beamshots of the Sogn 700, 900 and Spiker 1211. The Sogn 700 in the pic below is cool white. Most night riding enthusiast do not fancy cool white tints. The toss is between Neutral and Warm which tends to be yellow-er. Warmer tints are better for picking up objects while cooler tints tent to throw light better. You will also notice 10 years ago cool white/almost blue tints was all the rage in car headlights, including HID and Xenon lights used by BMW. Look now, they have all gone back to warm yellow tints. I hope that doesn't happen to bike lights.

    3. What does it mean when bins are spoken about?
    Bins are color, brightness, standards grading, just like how chicken eggs are graded. We have different sizes, shapes and color. If a bike light manufacturer buys premium, they will have consistent color tints and brightness across 50 lights in a row. Budget manufacturers or those-on-the-cheap will have light tints all over the place. Our experience in the past includes having 10 lights of the same brand and model with blue, green(quite common and hated), brownish, purple and worse of all, red?? tints in a line up. Was like a row of jellybeans. This will not happen with Xeccon products.


    4. When you would prefer a smooth reflector and why?
    Smooth reflector throws further and generally creates a very small but intense hotspot. It also tends to create donut rings but if you are after long light throw from the helmet light then this is the best choice.

    5. When would you prefer a orange peel reflector and why?
    Others may disagree with me but IMO, only when it's used as a bar light. It smooths out the donut transitions to give you a more even beam pattern. OP reflectors tend to spread out and do not have very intense* hotspots. *[Intense definition subjective but if you have used an S12 before you will know what intense hotspot is]

    I'll try to think of more. btw I have two GeoManGear lights and a Amazon clone. I can't tell the difference. I would assume the Amazon battery is junk. Right now we have three bikes and three lights, but we want six lights so I'm learning as much as I can. Thank you for being here.
    You cannot tell the difference unless you do a tear down. If the Amazon battery is still holding charge and giving you good runtime it does not matter what cells are inside.

    Now to my beamshot post. First is the Spiker 1211. Orange Peel mini light with XM-L U2. Tint is neutral to warm. Good performance from such a light. Hooked it to a LiPo pack and got 6 hours 27 mins on high. Second pic is the Sogn 900. Warmer tint through XM-L2 emitters. Third pic is the Sogn 700 with cool tint. A little too cool for me but this demonstrates the difference. Forth and last pic is the set up for the shots. Beamshots taken with HTC One X on standard settings. The camera produces the beam patterns and light throw as they are in person. It may be a bit darker than shots most of us are used to but it's WYSIWYG.
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    Thank you very much.

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    Excellent work by Xeccon, interesting new lights and nice support from Leonard.
    Looking forward for more data. Loving the Sogn 900 so far...bright and not too cool as I prefer. Even though it has smooth reflector, I liked its beam pattern.

    Go Xeccon go!

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    +1. Super excited to get my hands on one of these.

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    I'd like to add. That little tab on the O-rings is such a little thing and yet such a big convenience.

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    Hi I just thought I would provide an update to this thread on some of the new products that Xeccon have been developing. I am lucky enough to live in the same city as Leonard & after some correspondence about the Sogn range he offered the prototype lights for me to test for a week. I am not affiliated with Leonard or Xeccon in any way. I have just purchased my lights from Leonard like any other customer.

    I went to pick up the lights & he surprised me by offering a number of other lights from his range. I not only got the prototype Sogn 900 & 700 but also 2X S12 U2 & L2 & finally the surprise powerhouse the Tobest NB-08. This was accompanied with a box of charges & accessories. Customer service & trust was unprecedented.
    I wonít go into full details about the products as they are still prototype stage & to be honest some of them are not quite there. But I will give you an idea on what is happening in the Xeccon development phase.

    Xeccon S12 two.
    To be honest there has been plenty of praise about this light & after some use on the trail there is no doubt that this is one very efficient light thrower. It just goes to show you that if the optics are right you can do allot with very little in terms of draw efficiency. Anyway it was the first light I put on my purchase list (helmet light tick).

    Xeccon Sogn 900 (Prototype).
    I was actually surprised on the size of the 900. I was expecting a little bigger. It is quite an efficient package but it isnít what you call a light weight package. It has a solid quality feel to the light head & runs cool for extended durations. Over engineered comes into my mind when spending some time with this light. I think there would be some opportunity to cut a little weight out of this lamp without too much degradation to the thermal performance. Talking to Leonard Xeccon are quite conservative when It comes to thermal management & mass. If they release this lamp as it is it will definitely be a reliable tank tough bar light. The mass seems just a little too high for it to be comfortable on the front of your helmet. The beam pattern is more spread than spot. Performance of the beam is quite good. I would say it has about half the throw of the S12 but a nice even spread. The optics seem quite well sorted for this package & the runtimes make this light a solid performer. There are still some issues with the UI on both of the prototype lamps (900 & 700). There are just 2 many functions to scroll through for one button. I hope Xeccon listen to Leonard on this. The mode button needs to be as efficient as possible 3 to 4 modes max. Sometimes I think that 2 buttons make more sense on some of these lamps to break out various strobes & off functions.

    Xeccon Sogn 700 (Prototype).
    Now the lamp most LUM hungry people are interested in. The 700 was also smaller than I expected but again built like a tank. I would respect anyone who could live with this on your helmet for more than an hour. When I first turned this on I thought wow. It blew the 900 away in brightness. But after the eye adjusts to the intensity of the lamp you quickly notice that the throw is just not there. The fall off of light intensity is too rapid for my liking. At the moment it feels like a supercharged V8 with a Vespa gearbox. To me it seems Xeccon packaged the overall size first before looking at the contents. With this approached I feel the biggest loser in this design is the optics. Xeccon are trying to package small reflector style optics in a space that only a lens optics could function. The result is poor throw & wide spread. I commend Xeccon for making the jump to a high power lamp. I think it could be a big seller for them. They just need to go back to the drawing board with the optic design. Their options are either tune the spacing of the LEDís & try and tune the current reflector design or look into lens optics to gain the efficiency this lamp deserves. Personally I think Xeccon are wasting their time with the reflector design unless they are willing to grow the lamp head significantly. There is a good reason why the S12 performs & it is due to the ratio of the optic size to the light source. Lenses are the key in my opinion how to make the sledge hammer lamp focus its power with the space they have available.

    Tobest NB-08
    This was the lamp that Leonard just threw into the mix (secretly knowing the outcome I am sure). This little light has 3 Cree XM-L T6 emitters & enough space to have an effective & efficient reflector design. The result is a lamp that is noticeable brighter than the Sogn 900 & I am sure with 2 of these on the bars it would comfortable outperform the Sogn 700 in throw even with the higher spec production Cree XM-L2 emitters. For me it was an obvious choice for this seasons night riding. The impressive beam pattern & 3+ hour runtime in production now (2x bar duty tick).

    Although my above post may not read as positive as others may have hoped. You need to realise that these are prototype lamps. Xeccon are still developing & tunning the hardware. My post along with Leonards is intended to help the development of these lamps & make them better products. The truths now will hopefully spur further refinement & development. I commend the aggressive lamp line-up Xeccon are developing. A few small & a couple large changes to the above products will ensure a good spread of performance lights tailored to various uses & budgets. The Sogn 900 is very close to ready. The Flagship Sogn 700 needs some more focusing of its power to justify its wattage.

    Thank you Leonard for the opportunity to play with your prototypes & I look forward in seeing the final release of the Xecconís Sogn range.

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    Hi Leonard,

    I ran into the Mayor at a battery shop near home yesterday and he suggested I look up your stuff here. Looks very, very impressive. Definitely like what I see. Do you have any updates on availability for any of the newer products? Where is the best place to get what is available right now if I decide not to wait (mtbRevolution MTB Mountain Bike Lights | Road Riding LED Lights | Xeccon Lights) I'd really like to have something before going up to NEMBAfest in VT around the end of June. I still need to read more of the thread but a few quick questions if that is OK

    I don't see many postings listing weight, I'd really like to compare it to what I have now. I much prefer a helmet light (although never like the extra weight) as no handlebar light is going to light the upcoming trail while I'm cresting a hill and I want to know what to expect those few seconds before my bars come down. What is the weight on the S12 or S1210 on your web site. The Ginea looks very small and I suspect light but there are few shots showing how it attaches to ones helmet. Photos of helmets mounted with all the lights would be great for perspective (the one I see of the 1210 makes it look quite big). Can the 1206 be run on your helmet? Again no weight or photos.

    I'd love to see another update from you.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerribs View Post
    Hi Leonard,

    I ran into the Mayor at a battery shop near home yesterday and he suggested I look up your stuff here. Looks very, very impressive. Definitely like what I see. Do you have any updates on availability for any of the newer products? Where is the best place to get what is available right now if I decide not to wait (mtbRevolution MTB Mountain Bike Lights | Road Riding LED Lights | Xeccon Lights) I'd really like to have something before going up to NEMBAfest in VT around the end of June. I still need to read more of the thread but a few quick questions if that is OK

    I don't see many postings listing weight, I'd really like to compare it to what I have now. I much prefer a helmet light (although never like the extra weight) as no handlebar light is going to light the upcoming trail while I'm cresting a hill and I want to know what to expect those few seconds before my bars come down. What is the weight on the S12 or S1210 on your web site. The Ginea looks very small and I suspect light but there are few shots showing how it attaches to ones helmet. Photos of helmets mounted with all the lights would be great for perspective (the one I see of the 1210 makes it look quite big). Can the 1206 be run on your helmet? Again no weight or photos.

    I'd love to see another update from you.
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    Hi Bikerribs, thanks for the kind note. The Spiker 1211 and Niguer 300 are available now. The Sogns are still going through some final tweaks before release. I can't say for sure they are going to be within two weeks from now. Going from experience and this applies to all manufacturers, the timetable almost always blows out. The 900 is closer to release, both in wired and wireless remote versions. New and upcoming models will be published in this link New Xeccon Models 2013.

    Transit times are about 7 working days from order. Just a matter of choosing the best light for your needs. There's always a compromise between weight : brightness : light throw. I will post weights of most models here now. Will separate the helmet/bar and bars only lights from lightest to heaviest. All weight postings includes cables and connectors.

    Geinea light head with cable but no remote - 39g - with remote and cables - 90g. Spiker 1211 - 67g. Niguer 300 (more bar) - 99g. S12 Two - 121g. Spiker 1206 (more bar) - 125g. S14 (more bar) - 128g.

    Spiker 1207 - 139g. Spiker 1210 - 141g. S6 with remote and cables - 191g. Sogn 900 Proto with controller, cables and alloy camlock - 223g. Sogn 700 Proto with controller, cables and alloy camlock - 289g

    BAK 2200mAh with Neoprene pouch - 166g. BAK 4400mAh with Neoprene pouch - 287g. BAK 6600mAh with Neoprene pouch -337g. BAK 6600mAh Hard Shell - 370g

    My recommendation for helmet light will always be S12s. I run two Twos on the helmet. A bit weighty but if we want V12 performance we can't complaint about weight. I can live with 567g nesting on my head because the joy of having a mini helicopter searchlight outweight any discomfort.

    If you are after the lightest weight to throw ratio then I recommend the Spiker 1211. Will attach pics to give you perspective. The beam throw is pretty decent considering it's weight. It outperforms the 1206 IMO. Captain's Log: I would like to see a mirror finish version, boosting it with LiPo and possibly upping the amp draw a little.

    The Geinea light has a velcro strap. We've posted this pic before but will do it again so you can see how it's attached directly to a helmet which has provision for it. Pic show is actually the rear prototype light we had. The actual colour is the beautifully anodized green and bronze combination. The 1206 is a little too floody for the helmet IMO. I prefer to recommend the 1206 and Niguer 300 as a commuter light rather than a mtb one. If anything the S14 makes a better helmet light.
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    Underwater runtime test

    Over the months, we've been asked many times, how waterproof are Xeccon's bike lights and batteries? Yeah, it's highly water resistant. Yes, it can be submerged for short durations. Yup, it will survive anywhere between a heavy downpour to a F4 Tornado. While I've always had confidence in the products, I never quite had the guts to really give them a waterproof/water resistance test. Are they as sensitive as cellphones/mobile phones? Will they conk out at the hint of water? Time to answer these questions. I decided to give the Niguer and Spiker 1210 powered by Xeccon's 6600mAh and Samsung celled 7800mAh Hard Shell batteries a runtime test, underwater.

    Focus is not runtime but running the lights and batteries on Hi submerged. This presents a handful of unknowns. They were going to be in a bit of pressure, creating heat underwater and creating small bubbles on their shells over time like a heat element in a kettle. They had to maintain water resistance integrity for up to 4 hours. These lights were not prepped with silicone or waterproofing agents. A point of entry will be where the screw secures the o-ring mount. The switch panels are well sealed. The o-rings inside the light units will have to do their job else they will be popping bubbles or fizzing like an Alka Seltzer tablet to the bottom of the 60cm tall flower vase.

    Well, they survived the test and no light heads or batteries we're killed in the 3 test that we did. Small amount of water DID get in but not enough to damage driver board or LEDs. They are working fine.

    So if asked if Xeccon's lights and hard shell batteries water resistant. The answer is yes. Are they waterproof? Yes, they can handle short submergence.
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    Nice Leonard,
    could this be the next development in Xeccon lights making them water cooled therefore having the ability to run them harder with the benefit of water cooling keeping temps down??

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    Awesome Leonard. Thanks for sharing!

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    Thank you Leonard.
    Does Xeccon have rear waterproof light or dive light? waterproof IPX-8.
    Thanks for your sharing again.

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    Hi 2009th, the Geinea rear light has one possible water entry point - the screw and thread which secures the mount. In other areas, Xeccon's lights tend to use multiple internal o-rings in their bike light assembly - others may just have one, behind the front glass. In the underwater runtime test, the Spiker 1210 and Niguer 300 remain underwater for over 5 hours. An hour of that was after total battery depletion. I have little doubt they will qualify for IPX-8 if they (including the Geinea rear light) were prepped using waterproofing grease like Dow Corning/Molykote 111. Having said that, it is still unclear how bike-light-heat will affect this grease which is used in most dive torch o-rings.

    Xeccon has a dive light called the D3X-II which we have never tested or sold since our focus now is on bike lights. The front glass looks very well secured. As crude it may look to some, I prefer the multiple secure points using Allen screws and a clear visual on the main o-ring.
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    Would a Spiker 1211on the helmet and s12 two on the bars be a good combination. My other thought would be to replace the S12 with the Nigeur 300, in you opinion which would be a better bar . I would also on occasion likely use it as a helmet light when I loaned out the 1211 to one of my kids.

    Which of the s12 or Nigeur is smaller. If I had to comment on the one drawback I see in these lights is like many of the magic shine lights (808) the design appears to make the light very large, I suspect due to the reflectors. I can't imagine putting an 808 on a helmet. I find something like the Piko Lupine or gloworm x2 a nicer light. The upcoming 700 and 900 also appear very large when compared to some others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerribs View Post
    My other thought would be to replace the S12 with the Nigeur 300, in you opinion which would be a better bar . I would also on occasion likely use it as a helmet light when I loaned out the 1211 to one of my kids.

    Which of the s12 or Nigeur is smaller. If I had to comment on the one drawback I see in these lights is like many of the magic shine lights (808) the design appears to make the light very large, I suspect due to the reflectors. I can't imagine putting an 808 on a helmet. I find something like the Piko Lupine or gloworm x2 a nicer light. The upcoming 700 and 900 also appear very large when compared to some others.
    Q: Would a Spiker 1211 on the helmet and s12 two on the bars be a good combination? A: Absolutely not a good set up. Reasons are, the S12s will out-throw the 1211 by quite a distance. They have an intense hot spot which is much brighter than the 1211 overall. The S12 beam pattern doesn't have a whole lot of flood even if you run two. There is hardly any light between the bar and 8 meters ahead of you if installed on the bar, unless you face them down. If you had two 1211s on the bar and a single S12 on the helmet then yes, that could be a relatively good combination, but we can do better.

    Q: Which of the s12 or Nigeur is smaller? A: Niguer. Unfortunately we have to balance between budget, weight (comfort), aesthetics (smaller size & TIR lens designs) and high performance (brightness & light throw). We can't have it all. If the purpose is faster challenging night trail and singletrack then have a purposed built flood light (multiple LED or aspherics) for the bar and a reflector cup light for the helmet. Good reflector cups will always out throw TIR or aspheric lens lights. To date no designer or manufacturer has proven otherwise. The bigger and deeper the cup the better. Performance generally means larger size. The 1211 is a compromise of that. Smaller, lighter, shallower cup but having very respectable performance. It's brighter and most certainly out throws the MJ-808e.

    Xeccon's range of lights use Aluminium reflector cups which are specially coated which give them their finish. They are not fitted with cheap plastic reflector cups. This also means they are heavier. The S12's solid CNCed and specially coated reflector cup is about 25 grams on it's own. Asset or liability?

    The Sogns are about the same size/weight/performance category compared to equivalent lights. The 700 is in similar bracket as say Niterider 3000, MyTinySun 3600 and possibly the Bettys. The 900s are in the dual XM-L aspherics category although the 900 is again another Xeccon signature reflector cup light rather than TIRs. The only TIR light Xeccon has is the diffused lens Geinea rear light.

    The Sogn 900s are on their way. We should have them in a couple of weeks. Price is USD 212.00 including delivery, anywhere in the world. I will post more information when I receive them.
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    Sogn 900 Wireless

    The Sogn 900 wireless and standard wired remote are available now. First runtime test is done. Numbers are: Wired versions 3hr 30mins, 3hr 41mins & 3hr 48mins. Wireless version with Xeccon 7800mAh Samsung: 4hr 16mins + (was still going when camera ran out of SDHC memory). Video of remote controlhere.
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    Spiker 1211 delivered on time

    So after a lot of work by Leonard I've gotten my Spiker 1211. Can't say enough about all the work he did to get me the light and the batteries I wanted I. A timely manner. Light is certainly high quality, and well made. It is also small which was important to me, I didn't want a huge weight on my helmet. Beam is very good from what I can see so far. Haven't gone out into the woods yet so no idea how the beam will work out there. It does have a nice wide pattern. Hope to test it out this weekend. Charger is only a 1 amp charger which means 6 hr charge time which I find a bit long for the 4400mAh battery.

    At the same time I Bought a cheap CREE XML T6 off Amazon for my 8 year old. Light also seems very well made. The beam pattern of Spiker is much better being a lot more diffused rather than a very small spot. I will say for $23.50 it is still quite a deal though. No idea what to expect from the battery yet. You can also get a diffuser for the light for another $5

    I've posted the beam patterns for the Spiker and the CREE. The Spiker is on the right in the 1st 3 images. The Spiker is on the left in the final image. The Spiker clearly provides a better pattern for riding.
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    Hey there I was hoping you could clear something up for me that seems inconsistent across sites and images.

    I would like to order some lights but I need the connectors to match my existing lights and batteries. Will connectors have the round plugs or square plugs? I will be ordering from Australia.

    I hope you can clear this up for me as the sites you can order these lights from do not show an image of what comes packaged with the light.
    Thanks.

    A little more info.. I am looking at getting either the S12 two and 6000 mAh pack, or the Geinea front and rear combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waimser View Post
    Hey there I was hoping you could clear something up for me that seems inconsistent across sites and images.

    I would like to order some lights but I need the connectors to match my existing lights and batteries. Will connectors have the round plugs or square plugs? I will be ordering from Australia.

    I hope you can clear this up for me as the sites you can order these lights from do not show an image of what comes packaged with the light.
    Thanks.

    A little more info.. I am looking at getting either the S12 two and 6000 mAh pack, or the Geinea front and rear combo.
    Hi waimser,

    On the question of square, round and standard connectors. As of Aug 1 2013, ALL Xeccon products will come with their specially designed square connectors. They have been proven to be superior to the round in waterproofing. At the beginning of this transition, Xeccon will provide square-round and round to square adaptors for free in their light sets and batteries. While connection is still possible without these adaptors, we understand changing to a different standard can annoy some, but it's for the better. Who knows Xeccon's square connector may one day be the standard.

    We currently have Y cables with all 3 round connectors, square male to 2 square female and round male to one round and one square females.

    Current stock with round connectors are: S12 Two, S12 U2(which we are phasing out since XM-L2 is brighter and more efficient), S6, S14 U2, Spiker 1206, 1207, 1210.

    Current stock with square connectors (which are all the new models since the Geinea onwards) are , Geinea's Rear Only, Front Only and Front + Rear. The other square connector ones are Spiker 1211, Niguer 300, Sogn 700 and Sogn 900 (except for wireless which is a 4 core connector)

    We used to show some listings with whatever is provided in the set. We took them down but will have the pics of the package again soon.

    The S12 Two with LiPo is a great combination. The LiPo battery is sold out but will have new stock early to mid next week. Since the LiPo is a Tobest product it will always come in round connectors but we will provide an adaptor when S12 or other lights are fitted with square connectors. We currently have heaps of S12 Twos so we're in no danger of not providing you waterproofed connections.

    We will talk about other updates after this.
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    June 2013 Update

    Some updates from Xeccon. All light heads will have hot surface warning from now on. Children playing with high powered LED lights can get their fingers burnt so a timely reminder is a good thing. All products will have production number engraved on each light to identify date of manufacture. This facilitates warranty claims and authorized seller identification. BTW, Xeccon products has not and will not be found on Amazon or eBay.

    Geinea Front + Rear Sets' rear cable will be black from Aug 1. That white cable is history.

    All Sogns will have High > Med > Low > Strobe modes from now on. Some tweaking is still going on with the 700 but the 900 is finalized. Sogn 700 Prototype 2 gave us a runtime of 2 hours 26 mins. That's an hour's improvement over the first proto with little loss of brightness. Throw has improved but still needs a little work on the reflector.

    As mentioned all Xeccon products will use square connectors. Square to round and round to square adaptors will be offered for free initially. This is effective Aug 1.

    This is by popular demand. Switches will be lit when the light is on. When the light is turned off the light on the switch is off too. No need to disconnect at the connectors when not riding. This will be from Aug 1.

    Xeccon's low battery visual warning. While very handy so the rider know his/her helmet light is down to a certain battery level. Some love it. Others hate it. So, the changes are, when battery is depleted to almost halfway and on reserve power (flashing red) the strobe will flash 6 strobes per second for 3 times. This will eliminate intervals of darkness completely. Effective Aug 1.

    Xeccon's 6 cell battery packs will be inside silicone boots like the 4400s effective Aug 1. There will also be markings distinguishing BAK or Samsung equipped packs.

    After much deliberation and discussion with sellers including ourselves, Xeccon will not be using Panasonic cells in their battery packs. Lithium Polymer may be an option but still under consideration.

    Speaking of Li-ion and LiPo batteries, mtbRevolution will supply light sets without batteries to anywhere in the world. We will resume battery specials for USA very soon. This also means we are able to supply complete light sets from our websites to mainland US. Other locations are TBA at this stage.

    While this is not the best place to talk about dive torches, we have to introduce new members of the Xeccon family of lights. The Nemo line. The Nemo 900 dive torch is released and ready for market. mtbRevolution is brought out of "dive torch retirement" with these torches. We gave up dealing with dive torches over 6 months ago due to bad experiences with dive torches. Trusting is one thing, we had to be convinced and we are with the Nemo range. After a month long test in an independent lab, the Nemos are Officially Certified to IPX-8.

    The Nemo 1000 will be out shortly and that will be powered by 3 x U2s. The design is similar to this battery chamber to light head via cable design. This is of course handy for the diver. He/she needs her hands to swim and grapple items, not use them carrying a torch.
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    Xeccon's new facility

    Xeccon's new larger facility. A quick peek into where Xeccon products are concepted, designed and manufactured. This new HQ will keep up with R&D and production for the foreseeable future.
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    Very nice.

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    Introducing Xeccon + mtbRevolution

    That looks professional. Wish you success!

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    Wow! Very impressive.

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    Website News Update Aug 2013

    As mentioned, we are shaking it up a little with our websites. In the next two weeks mtbrevolution.com will be our only website. Contents and layout will be from the magicshineledlights.com.au site. It will have a permanent re-direct to mtbrevolution.com to maintain links from forums and blogs etc. The re-direction will be severed eventually. This also means links from mtbr night riding forum will be broken. It's the price we have to pay for this divorce. I hope contributors can edit new links in due course. Thanks in advance.

    mtbRevolution's admin/payments are processed in China with Australia still being our main market. Orders in Australia will be delivered overnight via Toll Priority. Nothing will change in terms of service. Internationally, we ship as per normal which is a little longer nowadays - transit times are about 6 days to the USA. Prices will be in Australian Dollars which will mean it's cheaper for you Americans. We do not have problems shipping Li-ion to anywhere else in the world except US. For USA, we have a back up to DHL (who constantly shifts goalpost). We sent full sets of Sogn 900 and S12 Two to DRILLINDK via DHL. As with all matters of the world, problems are miraculously fixed with extra fees.

    Please order via the magicshineledlights.com.au site till we announce mtbrevolution.com is ready to use. We have to move Tobest products till we deplete them. We will eventually sell and promote Xeccon products only.

    We are spending resources on mtb 12/24hr night racing. Through racing development, we will produce better products. So if you are planning to commit to some serious mtb racing, please let us kit you up. Help us improve and promote the Xeccon racing brand. Speak to Faye about terms and conditions of sponsorship.

    The new Geinea II will be released soon. Details soon.
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    mtbr Specials: Xeccon Samsung celled 7800mAh Batteries

    To kick off the northern hemisphere night riding season we'll be offer Xeccon's Samsung celled batteries for US mainland only. We will check if we can ship to Hawaii via USPS. These specials will be shipped from Bloomington, IN as usual. In Australia, price includes shipping as well. For other countries, please contact us for additional shipping cost as these will be shipped from our office in China.

    We've been asked to supply batteries only, for mtbr members who bought lights like the SolarStorm X2 etc. To keep it simple and providing the best bang for buck, we will supply the Samsung celled battery instead of the BAK which we had for $49 last year. We will have the 7800mAh Samsung celled batteries instead for AUD 65.00 which works out to USD 59 today. This battery has an extra 15% capacity with higher performance and of course comes with Xeccon's 6 month guarantee. We've not had a single claim from the last BAK sets, which is a very good thing. Here we are actually testing the lights output rather than the batteries performance as I wated to know if there was a lumen difference when using BAK or Samsung. We tested the LiPo too but amazingly the Samsung tops it. Xeccon Samsung Battery Test Data & Xeccon BAK Test Data

    It will come in two versions:

    This will be available in about 2-3 weeks from now. Will advise here when they are available. Stocks are limited so pre-order if you like. We still have the Geinea rear light on special at USD 63.50.

    In other news: Xeccon will be submitting selected lights for the mtbr 2014 Shootout.
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    How will orders to Canada be handled? From the US or from China?

    Also, I'm looking to replace my MagicShine 872. I find the flood is too bright in the foreground, and washes out my ability to see in the distance (if that makes sense). I'm running a Gemini Xera on my helmet. I guess that my question is: which of the Sogn 900 or Spiker 1207 would be better suited to working as a bar mounted flood that has medium throw and a decent flood in combination with my helmet-mounted Xera ?

    Generally, I'm not interested in remote switches or anything more than two light settings...
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    Quote Originally Posted by slyfink View Post
    How will orders to Canada be handled? From the US or from China?

    Also, I'm looking to replace my MagicShine 872. I find the flood is too bright in the foreground, and washes out my ability to see in the distance (if that makes sense). I'm running a Gemini Xera on my helmet. I guess that my question is: which of the Sogn 900 or Spiker 1207 would be better suited to working as a bar mounted flood that has medium throw and a decent flood in combination with my helmet-mounted Xera ?

    Generally, I'm not interested in remote switches or anything more than two light settings...
    Hi Slyfink, light sets are sent from China. Transit time is about 6 working days. Only US promo specials are from Bloomington IN.

    The Sogn 900 performs better than the Spiker 1207. The XM-L2 emitter has better tint & brightness. The mirror finish reflector's throw and width is better too. Modes are Hi>Med>Lo>Strobe>Off. The Sogn 900 wireless can be used with or without the remote. There is a switch on the light head itself. If anything it works perfect with the S12 U2. Is that too heavy compared to the Xera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Hi Slyfink, light sets are sent from China. Transit time is about 6 working days. Only US promo specials are from Bloomington IN.

    The Sogn 900 performs better than the Spiker 1207. The XM-L2 emitter has better tint & brightness. The mirror finish reflector's throw and width is better too. Modes are Hi>Med>Lo>Strobe>Off. The Sogn 900 wireless can be used with or without the remote. There is a switch on the light head itself. If anything it works perfect with the S12 U2. Is that too heavy compared to the Xera?

    Leonard
    Thanks Leonard,

    I already have the Xera, and I'm quite happy with it, so not looking to upgrade. But my 872 is more trouble than it's worth, which is why I'm looking for something new.

    Thanks for the info on the Sogn and Spiker. I suspect I will be ordering soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    To kick off the northern hemisphere night riding season we'll be offer Xeccon's Samsung celled batteries for US mainland only. We will check if we can ship to Hawaii via USPS. These specials will be shipped from Bloomington, IN as usual. In Australia, price includes shipping as well. For other countries, please contact us for additional shipping cost as these will be shipped from our office in China.

    We've been asked to supply batteries only, for mtbr members who bought lights like the SolarStorm X2 etc. To keep it simple and providing the best bang for buck, we will supply the Samsung celled battery instead of the BAK which we had for $49 last year. We will have the 7800mAh Samsung celled batteries instead for AUD 65.00 which works out to USD 59 today. This battery has an extra 15% capacity with higher performance and of course comes with Xeccon's 6 month guarantee. We've not had a single claim from the last BAK sets, which is a very good thing. Here we are actually testing the lights output rather than the batteries performance as I wated to know if there was a lumen difference when using BAK or Samsung. We tested the LiPo too but amazingly the Samsung tops it. Xeccon Samsung Battery Test Data & Xeccon BAK Test Data

    It will come in two versions:

    This will be available in about 2-3 weeks from now. Will advise here when they are available. Stocks are limited so pre-order if you like. We still have the Geinea rear light on special at USD 63.50.

    In other news: Xeccon will be submitting selected lights for the mtbr 2014 Shootout.
    I am interested in ordering batteries for US delivery - any update on the anticipated delivery date? Also how to pre-order when your website indicates AU delivery only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juergenor View Post
    I am interested in ordering batteries for US delivery - any update on the anticipated delivery date? Also how to pre-order when your website indicates AU delivery only?
    . Hi juergenor, the AU only label is removed. Will check with Faye again later today on the ETA to Bloomington. You may pre-order on the site or wait for us to confirm we have those in stock - I will put one aside for you either way. We can still refund in full if you pre-ordered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeccon View Post
    Over the months, we've been asked many times, how waterproof are Xeccon's bike lights and batteries? Yeah, it's highly water resistant. Yes, it can be submerged for short durations. Yup, it will survive anywhere between a heavy downpour to a F4 Tornado.
    And for comparison - do you wonder what would happen when you do the same test with standart, cheap chinese bike batteries? Well its not gonna be pretty.


    Small rain, water got through the side, one cell short-circuited. Was able to replace one cell and repair battery pack.


    Heavier rain, 1 cell competely dead, protection pcb dead, another cell in pair with dead one was discharged to zero and lost 50% of its capacity. Had to replace 2 cells and pcb.



    Submersion in water for a long time, was able to salvage the cable and pouch

    And believe me - these "tests" weren't intentional, so always, ALWAYS make additional protection from water for chinese batteries. Even simple plastic bag wrapped over the battery will protect it from a rain.

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