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    Introducing Gloworm X2 - New Dual XM-L LED light system

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    My name is Vag (Vaggelis) coming from Greece and together with Bruce from Gloworm Performance Products ( formely Gloworm Lites) in New Zealand we have been working since last August in order to design from scratch and produce with the highest standards a new Bike Light. We call our initiative Gloworm Manufacturing and we are more than proud to introduce to you our latest project.....

    Its name is Gloworm X2 and it is a dual XM-L that produces 1200 lumens. We have finished testing and we are about to launch the X2 just before New Year.

    Presale will start pretty soon and more information will be posted here.

    Take a close look at our teaser photo and focus on the size/ lumen rate.
    Also you can read a small review of our light here. We showed our first (not-anodized) prototype at "on your Bike Expo" in New Zealand. Feel free to check the link following for first impressions of riders who saw it live.

    On Your Bike – Day 2 | Spoke Magazine

    Please treat this post as a soft opening. More and more information and details (including beamshots) will be available soon.

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    Hey Vag, it's been a while,(hopefully the same Vag). Your X-2 looks like a slightly bigger and brighter version of the Piko. Your 1200 lumen claim, is this a claim that will be supported in the real world, as opposed to say, 850 true lumens after losses? The piko is limited due to it's size, but looks like your design will allow the Xm-L's to be driven a little harder. Do you have the output settings figured out yet? Anyway, looks good!!! Cheers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    Hey Vag, it's been a while,(hopefully the same Vag). Your X-2 looks like a slightly bigger and brighter version of the Piko. Your 1200 lumen claim, is this a claim that will be supported in the real world, as opposed to say, 850 true lumens after losses? The piko is limited due to it's size, but looks like your design will allow the Xm-L's to be driven a little harder. Do you have the output settings figured out yet? Anyway, looks good!!! Cheers!!!
    Hello,

    Yes the same Vag, but with few more lumen on my brains

    The 1200 Lumen is a claim of real Lumen. We have not used yet an integrating sphere but knowing every single aspect of our light production and spec makes us confident of this number. We have been working hard designing and testing for some time in order to accommodate heat and to achieve high optical efficiency. We drive both LEDs at 2A.

    Your guess is right. Slightly bigger than the Piko with the LEDs driven harder.

    To give you some idea about the beam: The combination of two optics (narrow and less narrow) gives an all around bright and smooth beam which we did like and do feel proud of. We just hope you'll agree with us once the beamshots are here(and you won't have to wait for long). If you can't wait few hours you can see them in our FB page.

    On behalf of the Gloworm Manufacturing Team
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    P.s.: InDept, I believe I owe you a hard case waterproof battery since last year. Please PM me with your address. You will receive it with our first batch of lights at around New Year.
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    Looks to be another real contender Vag. Nice to hear were talking honest lumens as MTBR members know their stuff lol. Guess it will come with a four cell battery as you wont get much run time on two? Thanx for the battery offer, but i can't double dip here. Chris and i sorted things out and he sent me one already. Thanx again. Cheers!!!

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    Very sweet indeed. Loving the light engine and mount design.

    Vag, what is the waterproofness specifications as far as IPX ratings go?

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    Hello

    @Indept
    Indeed the default battery will be a 4 pack with high capacity Japanese cells.
    It could also work great with a 6 cell battery which we are going to launch before February 2012. It will be compatible with battery packs from other vendors as we use the same connectors.

    We are also proud to introduce the Intelligent Mode Technology (IMT)
    IMT allows the user to select the programme which is suitable for their application. IMT features 4 programmes - each refined for their use. The 4 programmes are Adventure, Trail, Commuter and Bush. Each programme's settings are different and therefore have different runtimes. The user can easily select the programme on the run with a simple sequence of clicks. For example the trail mode is refined for Mountain Biking and features Low-High-Boost settings, plus super dim for when you are stopped or at the car etc. Now here's the catch - when you are riding you don't want to cycle through off or into super dim mode. With IMT these functions are accessed with long presses of the button.

    To give you an example on runtimes in our Boost setting 1200 lumen a 4 cell battery will last for 2.5 hours.
    In the High setting 800 lumen a 4 cell battery will run for 4 hours.

    @ Chromagftw

    IP ratings.
    We have not yet had the light officially tested, however we are 99% confident that the light will satisfy the test for IP67 (we've tried it) and we are 100% sure it will be IP66.

    For those who don't know IP ratings are as follows: IP65 Protected against low pressure jets of water from all directions - limited ingress. IP66 Protected against temporary flooding of water, e.g. for use on ship decks - limited immersion permitted.IP67 Protected against the effect of immersion between 15 cm and 1 m

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    Really interested in what you've described and am about to order a Lupine Piko, but if the details are right this might be a better option for me.

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    Very interesting. Now all we need is more info on the mounting set-up as well as those beam pics. Any idea on how much ( U$D ) these will sell for (?) and how much the lamp head alone will cost?

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    Gloworm are offering pre-order specials on this thing at $199 (retail will be around $239)

    From On Your Bike – Day 2 | Spoke Magazine

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    Hi Vag, glad all is going well for you. The light looks very interesting and promising to be use as a helmet light. I was looking forward to the Magicshine MJ880 but this one also caught my curiosity.

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    looks really good - several people on the DIY forum have similar form factor lights and they work well. The lumen claim sounds reasonable too, given that the theoretical output for 2 XM-Ls at 2A is ~1500lm. That'll make for a perfect helmet light - my 2 XM-Ls at 1.5A is great, 2A would be even better

    What are the mounting options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batas View Post
    Gloworm are offering pre-order specials on this thing at $199 (retail will be around $239)

    From On Your Bike – Day 2 | Spoke Magazine
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    @Batas - It gets even better, what you have pointed out there is actually NZD, this works out at about USD$150-155. Our website (which will be launched on Friday) is based in NZD so remember to change the currency at the bottom left of the page to ensure you are working in what is right for you.

    @Cat-man-do We'll have some beam shots up for everyone very soon. All I can say at the moment is that the beam is very smooth with no hot spot, its about 23deg with very nice colour temperature.

    @Colleen C - Glad all is well with you to.

    @matthewmuppet and Cat-man-do - I have attached some 3D CAD drawings of the X2 with both the bar and helmet mount options. A lot of testing was done to ensure each option was simple, effective and most of all - secure. The bar mount (CNC machined and attached using an o-ring) is designed to sit over the stem and can be rotated forward for a lower profile (please excuse the missing screws!). The helmet mount (also CNC machined) is attached using velcro or cable ties, simple but effective. Finally the mounts are atttached to the lamp head using a specially designed screw (not pictured) and an o-ring bearing surface (an o-ring either side of the mount where the screw goes through), which allows the light to be swiveled without loosening the screw. Additionally the light head does not move about when riding over even the roughest terrain (bar or helmet mounted).

    Real photos of mounst will also be posted soon






    Greets

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    I will be watching this closely. Was going to order a Piko. Waiting for beam shots and if possible some shots against the new Piko.

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    It's good.

    I've held the prototype light in my hand. I was out last night helping take beam shot comparisons and I was pretty darned impressed with the light. Really good mix of spill and throw. No noticeable hotspot. Nice warm color. Good thermal management, so the light can handle the amps. I've seen the mounts too and they are pretty trick. I think you guys are gonna like this light.

    I have no comercial connection with Gloworm. I got involved because I was buying some batteries off them and we got talking about my Revolver light, which some may remember from the DIY forum about a year ago. I had planned to put it into production but was finding it all a bit too difficult, and it was really expensive to produce. A single barrel Revolver (running a LuxRC board at 1.1amp) is a theoretical 1100 lumens and the X2 is noticeably brighter with more spill, so I reckon the 1200 lumen claim is bang on.

    A lot of bang for your buck right here folks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    I will be watching this closely. Was going to order a Piko. Waiting for beam shots and if possible some shots against the new Piko.
    Hello,

    The beamshots will be up very soon, however we don't have a Piko to do any comparisons with.....yet. Initially we'll compare with our Gloworm Lite (Gemini Titan - P7 D bin version) this should give you a good idea of how bright the X2 really is. Size wise the X2 is a little larger and slightly heavier than the Piko.

    We'll get those shots up soon and some of the prototype mounted.


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    This all sounds really great . . . my concerns are related to reliability and service if something breaks.

    Also interested in seeing the battery . . . is this going to be a feasible helmet light with the battery mounted on the helmet?

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    Hello 007

    Regarding service and warranty, we have a great reputation in New Zealand for service and honoring warranty repair/replacement. You can see our facebook page for evidence of this. Having our manufacturing based is Asia means we can deal with service/warranties from 2 locations plus we are currently working on Distributors in Australia and the US.

    Our warranty is based around getting you back riding as soon as possible. Any obvious manufacturing defects are honored immediately without question. Other defects that occur will be dealt with swiftly.

    With reliability you can be assured that all products are manufactured with the highest standards in mind and tested well before send to market. Our circuitry and housing/mount is designed in New Zealand (not China) - I can vouch for the hours Bruce has spent in front of the computer! Both the housing and mounts are made from a 6061 Aluminium Alloy for strength and longetivity.

    Batteries will be a hard case, soft feel, IP65 (min) 4 cell battery - with power indicator. It will be moulded to fit naturally around a bicycle frame or stem. (pics to follow soon). It will be possible to mount to the helmet using the supplied velcro however it will be heavier than the Piko's 2 cell battery. We are considering a 2 cell battery version, however at max power of 2A you would be looking at a runtime of 1.25 - 1.5hrs depending on cells. It is not totally out of the question.

    @ 007 I hope that answers your question?

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    Thanks, Vag. It does help. I'd be very interested in a 2-cell battery that is designed for helmet use. A 4-cell I think would be much too big.

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    Heat...

    14+ watts in a package only "slightly" bigger than the Piko. Ouch.

    I'd say "working hard to accommodate the heat" is an understatement.

    The shops that are building/assembling these have to be working for pennies on the hour. It just boggles the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    14+ watts in a package only "slightly" bigger than the Piko. Ouch.

    I'd say "working hard to accommodate the heat" is an understatement.

    The shops that are building/assembling these have to be working for pennies on the hour. It just boggles the mind.

    Thermal management is the most difficult aspect of any small light build, but I think some of the big companies under-drive their lights in their heat related paranoia. These XML leds can be driven up to 3amps (with a lot of heat being generated at the driver) and the prototype does go up to that, but curiously the output is not noticeably better than running them at 2 amps. I was holding this in my hand at 2 amps in still air for quite some time and it never got close to being too hot to touch. If I tried that with my Revolver it would burn my hand, and yet, in real world usage on the bike my lights never get more than warm to the touch. Bruce tells me the production light has considerably more fin area, so more surface area, and better cooling.

    So seriously, heat isn't going to be any sort of problem whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshallard View Post
    Thermal management is the most difficult aspect of any small light build, but I think some of the big companies under-drive their lights in their heat related paranoia. These XML leds can be driven up to 3amps (with a lot of heat being generated at the driver) and the prototype does go up to that, but curiously the output is not noticeably better than running them at 2 amps. I was holding this in my hand at 2 amps in still air for quite some time and it never got close to being too hot to touch. If I tried that with my Revolver it would burn my hand, and yet, in real world usage on the bike my lights never get more than warm to the touch. Bruce tells me the production light has considerably more fin area, so more surface area, and better cooling.

    So seriously, heat isn't going to be any sort of problem whatsoever.

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    Not doubting the experience that you had with the prototype in any way whatsoever; however, my experiences may allow me to arrive at a slightly different conclusion.

    Managing heat is ALL about getting as much of the electrically generated power in the form of heat out to the outside world as efficiently as possible. We know that the light burns at least 14 watts on high, probably pushing 15 watts.

    With the very low thermal mass of the light, I can speak from experience that at those power levels with no air flow, the case should reach an equilibrium state in only a few minutes. I'm talking 2 or 3. If it never got hot to the touch during a longer time than that, then there are only a few possible conclusions:

    1. There is a high thermal resistance somewhere in the series path from the emitter to the outside world (surface of the case), and the LEDs are getting ridiculously hot.

    2. There was a thermal detection scheme being used in the controller that very quickly throttled the light back to much lower power levels, more on the order of 5 or 6 watts to achieve the "not very hot" feeling for an extended amount of time in still air.

    3. The laws of thermodynamics were momentarily suspended... Ok, kidding.

    But seriously, if the prototype was indeed running at 14 watts, then I would contend just the opposite. Namely that it was doing a very poor job of managing the heat and that your "Revolver" was superior in that respect. The fact that your light, which got so hot while sitting still, was only warm to the touch while moving means exactly that it was doing an excellent job of moving the heat away from the internal electronics and into the ambient air.

    Clearly, there is something about that prototype test that we don't know. The need to add "considerable" heat transfer surface area in the production model means that the deficiency was "caught" before they went into production and has been attempted to be remedied. Make no mistake about it, 15 watts in a package this small is a serious engineering challenge. Repeated over-temperature stresses on electrical components is a slow killer. Those "overly paranoid" companies are in essence building long term value into their products with more conservative designs. It's exactly analogous to the top-fuel dragster vs. daily driver scenario. By golly you can get 15000 horsepower out of an engine and go 300 mph at the end of a quarter mile, but you'll have to rebuild the engine at the end of it. Or you can rebuild the engine after a considerably less exciting 300000 miles.

    You have also noticed the very real effect that our eyes do not perceive increases in brightness in a "linear" fashion. (Same thing goes for our ears by the way). The necessary increase in electrical power is EXPONENTIAL in order to produce meaningful increases in brightness for a given source of light. It's easy to see the difference between say 600 and 1200 lumens, but once you're at 1200, you've got to pour on some serious power to have that next big jump up. Furthermore, I would argue that 1200 lumens from any one source of light is enough. Just stop right there with a reasonably shaped beam and you'll be a happy camper. 1000 to 1200 real lumens over a 20 to 25 degree round beam is about the tipping point. Beyond that, if you want to add more lumens, they are most effectively added over a wider area or in a separate light, like a helmet light. Companies that are trying to push the lumen numbers up to 3000 from a single light are just shooting themselves in the foot with regard to real world performance... there, I said it.

    Take everything I just said as strictly my opinion. Not claiming to be the authority on someone else's light. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then Lupine should considered themselves highly flattered indeed, yet again, by this light.

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    Hello,

    Nice to see all the comments coming.
    I would like to make some clarifications when it comes to thermal management:

    1. Our surface area is more than 1 square inch per watt. According to our design engineer this is enough for thermal management. This is a fact that has been also confirmed during our tests.

    2. The whole build is Aluminum and there is no high thermal resistance inside the light. We would never do this as it is obvious to everybody how bad excessive heat is for the life of the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    Not doubting the experience that you had with the prototype in any way whatsoever; however, my experiences may allow me to arrive at a slightly different conclusion.

    Managing heat is ALL about getting as much of the electrically generated power in the form of heat out to the outside world as efficiently as possible. We know that the light burns at least 14 watts on high, probably pushing 15 watts.

    With the very low thermal mass of the light, I can speak from experience that at those power levels with no air flow, the case should reach an equilibrium state in only a few minutes. I'm talking 2 or 3. If it never got hot to the touch during a longer time than that, then there are only a few possible conclusions:

    1. There is a high thermal resistance somewhere in the series path from the emitter to the outside world (surface of the case), and the LEDs are getting ridiculously hot.

    2. There was a thermal detection scheme being used in the controller that very quickly throttled the light back to much lower power levels, more on the order of 5 or 6 watts to achieve the "not very hot" feeling for an extended amount of time in still air.

    3. The laws of thermodynamics were momentarily suspended... Ok, kidding.

    But seriously, if the prototype was indeed running at 14 watts, then I would contend just the opposite. Namely that it was doing a very poor job of managing the heat and that your "Revolver" was superior in that respect. The fact that your light, which got so hot while sitting still, was only warm to the touch while moving means exactly that it was doing an excellent job of moving the heat away from the internal electronics and into the ambient air.

    Clearly, there is something about that prototype test that we don't know. The need to add "considerable" heat transfer surface area in the production model means that the deficiency was "caught" before they went into production and has been attempted to be remedied. Make no mistake about it, 15 watts in a package this small is a serious engineering challenge. Repeated over-temperature stresses on electrical components is a slow killer. Those "overly paranoid" companies are in essence building long term value into their products with more conservative designs. It's exactly analogous to the top-fuel dragster vs. daily driver scenario. By golly you can get 15000 horsepower out of an engine and go 300 mph at the end of a quarter mile, but you'll have to rebuild the engine at the end of it. Or you can rebuild the engine after a considerably less exciting 300000 miles.

    You have also noticed the very real effect that our eyes do not perceive increases in brightness in a "linear" fashion. (Same thing goes for our ears by the way). The necessary increase in electrical power is EXPONENTIAL in order to produce meaningful increases in brightness for a given source of light. It's easy to see the difference between say 600 and 1200 lumens, but once you're at 1200, you've got to pour on some serious power to have that next big jump up. Furthermore, I would argue that 1200 lumens from any one source of light is enough. Just stop right there with a reasonably shaped beam and you'll be a happy camper. 1000 to 1200 real lumens over a 20 to 25 degree round beam is about the tipping point. Beyond that, if you want to add more lumens, they are most effectively added over a wider area or in a separate light, like a helmet light. Companies that are trying to push the lumen numbers up to 3000 from a single light are just shooting themselves in the foot with regard to real world performance... there, I said it.

    Take everything I just said as strictly my opinion. Not claiming to be the authority on someone else's light. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then Lupine should considered themselves highly flattered indeed, yet again, by this light.

    I have considered your opinion, and concluded that you are wrong.

    Just so it is understood, I went along to where Bruce was planning to snap some beam shots because I was curious about the how a 2up XML light would compare to my 2200 lumen set-up. Mostly because I was toying with the idea of building a 4xml helmet set-up (for my own personal use). Unlike a lot of people, I don't give a crap how heavy a battery I have to carry. I just want stupid amounts of light in front of me from the smallest, lightest possible package. I actually use a second double Revolver on my bars, so quite often I'm rocking 4400 theoretical lumens.
    XMLs seem to be the way people are going these days. There are plenty of double and triple XML builds on the DIY forum, along with some quads too, and some big big light being put out. I was feeling a bit behind the times with my XPG based set-up.

    You make it sound like there is some secrecy going on, but I was just giving my experience as an impartial bystander. I don't have a horse in this race, and I wouldn't buy one, because I only use lights I make myself. I run mine way closer to the edge in terms of watts per gram/surface area... whatever. I thought the X2 was a good light. It didn't dim down while we had it running. I would have noticed. My Revolvers get hot when standing still because they are really really small. They genuinely need consistent air-flow to keep cool, and when I'm not moving, I turn them down to stop them overheating.
    This X2 has more mass than my light and more surface area and it appears to me to handle the heat with no problems.

    Compared to a single barrel Revolver, it is bigger, heavier, brighter, has a better beam pattern and is MUCH cheaper.

    That's a real world observation.
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    Hello again,

    Here come some beamshots on boost mode. The photos are taken following the mtbr settings so you can have an apples to apples comparison with similar photos posted on this site.

    As mentioned before comparison photos are soon to come.
    Here you can see an "open space" photo and a trail photo.
    Please pay attention to the tiny white tin on the ground (present in both photos). We use it as a distance marker.

    In the open space photo:
    Tin is at 25 meters distance. Trees in background is at 60 meters distance.

    In the trail photo:
    Tin is at 15 meters distance.

    Enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bshallard View Post
    I have considered your opinion, and concluded that you are wrong.

    Just so it is understood, I went along to where Bruce was planning to snap some beam shots because I was curious about the how a 2up XML light would compare to my 2200 lumen set-up. Mostly because I was toying with the idea of building a 4xml helmet set-up (for my own personal use). Unlike a lot of people, I don't give a crap how heavy a battery I have to carry. I just want stupid amounts of light in front of me from the smallest, lightest possible package. I actually use a second double Revolver on my bars, so quite often I'm rocking 4400 theoretical lumens.
    XMLs seem to be the way people are going these days. There are plenty of double and triple XML builds on the DIY forum, along with some quads too, and some big big light being put out. I was feeling a bit behind the times with my XPG based set-up.

    You make it sound like there is some secrecy going on, but I was just giving my experience as an impartial bystander. I don't have a horse in this race, and I wouldn't buy one, because I only use lights I make myself. I run mine way closer to the edge in terms of watts per gram/surface area... whatever. I thought the X2 was a good light. It didn't dim down while we had it running. I would have noticed. My Revolvers get hot when standing still because they are really really small. They genuinely need consistent air-flow to keep cool, and when I'm not moving, I turn them down to stop them overheating.
    This X2 has more mass than my light and more surface area and it appears to me to handle the heat with no problems.

    Compared to a single barrel Revolver, it is bigger, heavier, brighter, has a better beam pattern and is MUCH cheaper.

    That's a real world observation.
    Fair enough... I apologize for making it sound like there was some secrecy going on. Certainly not my intention. Given your description of your much smaller light, the marked differences certainly sound reasonable.

    My conclusions were based largely on my experience with a light that I build with a very similar lumen output and similar wattage. Total mass and dimensions look reasonably similar, but I have over 2 square inches per watt due to some extreme fin machining (not cheap by the way). I use some of the highest performance thermal epoxy on the market (Arctic Alumina) to bond the LED boards directly to the 1-piece black anodized housing. And with only 12 watts dissipated in the LEDs (~14 total system power), I can get the case up to about 120 degF in 6 minutes in free air before the somewhat conservative 60degC thermal limit kicks in. 120 degF is a good bit more than barely warm feeling. If you're talking 10 minutes or more in your hand at the stated 2 amp drive (approximately 15 watts total system power) in still air and it's barely warm to the touch, then color me amazed. I'm obviously missing something, I just can't figure out what it is. Oh well. Cheers.

    Oh, and for what it's worth I notice from post #1 to post #12 about a 2x increase in the finned surface area. Does that mean the CAD image is the production version and the color image is the prototype that you were holding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    1. Our surface area is more than 1 square inch per watt. According to our design engineer this is enough for thermal management. This is a fact that has been also confirmed during our tests.
    I am a big fan of small and lightweight helmet lights as my 50+ year old neck has a hard enough time just keeping the old noggin up near the end of a ride. My experience shows that 1 sq. in. per Watt is sufficient as long as you have a moderate flow of fairly cool air. To my memory my microlights are among the smallest, lightest builds posted on MTBR. My latest is <27 grams with mount for dual XPGs with Regina reflectors. It has ~6 sq. in. area and ~6W of heat to deal with. It gets hot. In my garage at 11C air temp it levels off at 64C in ~20 minutes. I did not chart the temp rise over time, but it did most of the gain in the first few minutes. For me this is acceptable. If I am stopped for any amount of time I turn it to low. For a more casual user this might not be a good setup. IMO lights like this gloworm or other small high power lights are like light XC race wheels. Not everyone can or should use them. They might need a bit more care and they may not last as long as something bigger and heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Please pay attention to the tiny white tin on the ground (present in both photos). We use it as a distance marker.

    In the open space photo:
    Tin is at 25 meters distance. Trees in background is at 60 meters distance.

    In the trail photo:
    Tin is at 15 meters distance.



    Thanks for the photos but I see nothing that I can clearly ID as a white tin. A bigger marker would have been better. A 16oz soda bottle works well as distance markers. I've used the 16oz Pepsi bottles with silver labels that show up real well. Leave a little water in the bottle to give the bottle more weight. Really helps if there is some wind. It also looks as though you didn't use a tripod which really would have helped to make the photos clearer.

    I really did want to comment more about the photos but since I can't say for certain where the tin is there is no point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    Fair enough... I apologize for making it sound like there was some secrecy going on. Certainly not my intention. Given your description of your much smaller light, the marked differences certainly sound reasonable.

    My conclusions were based largely on my experience with a light that I build with a very similar lumen output and similar wattage. Total mass and dimensions look reasonably similar, but I have over 2 square inches per watt due to some extreme fin machining (not cheap by the way). I use some of the highest performance thermal epoxy on the market (Arctic Alumina) to bond the LED boards directly to the 1-piece black anodized housing. And with only 12 watts dissipated in the LEDs (~14 total system power), I can get the case up to about 120 degF in 6 minutes in free air before the somewhat conservative 60degC thermal limit kicks in. 120 degF is a good bit more than barely warm feeling. If you're talking 10 minutes or more in your hand at the stated 2 amp drive (approximately 15 watts total system power) in still air and it's barely warm to the touch, then color me amazed. I'm obviously missing something, I just can't figure out what it is. Oh well. Cheers.

    Oh, and for what it's worth I notice from post #1 to post #12 about a 2x increase in the finned surface area. Does that mean the CAD image is the production version and the color image is the prototype that you were holding?
    Yeah, I saw you light build on the beamshot thread.I think I may have accidentally given you the impression it didn't heat up. It did. But if I can hold a light in still air for more than a few minutes without burning my hand then I reckon it's fine for sale to the general public. Up to the point it's uncomfortable to hold it's merely warm. I define hot as when you can't hold onto it anymore. Not very scientific I admit, but there you go.

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    Waiting to hear about inputs once they hit the US. From there this could be my next light and so far this light looks to be a great investment. Cat-man-do the tin is located with the third grade arrow.
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    Hello,

    @ Cat man do

    I have added a red dot on both photos just where the Tin is.

    Hope it is more clear now. Looking forward to read your analysis.

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    Vag, thanks for the website ordering update. Appreciate it.

    I am curious as to how the remote access will work. Say one was to run the x2 on the hemlet with battery pack in pack of camel back. Is there an option to run the setup without remote switch and basically power on/change mode/power off from the light head itself? It would be great to get a view shot of the switch section on light engine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    @ Cat man do

    I have added a red dot on both photos just where the Tin is.

    Hope it is more clear now. Looking forward to read your analysis.

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    Vag, Thanks for that clarification. As to the "Open" photo: Basically the light looks to throw only about 25 meters ( 82ft. )...unless at that point the road drops down a hill and you can't see further. If it does indeed throw only 25 meters that would compare to the current offerings sold by Magicshine ( MJ-872 ) and Bikeray ( BR IV ). Personally I was hoping for a little more usable throw. Now if the over-all beam pattern was not quite as bright/wide but threw to say, 150 ft. then you have something worth moving up to. Perhaps if you used different ( tighter )optics or perhaps one of the current optics and one reflector you could reach a more happy medium. With the current setup I wouldn't plan to use this as a helmet lamp but it would make a darn good bar setup especially if you already have a good thrower on the helmet.

    Chomagftw wrote:
    I am curious as to how the remote access will work. Say one was to run the x2 on the hemlet with battery pack in pack of camel back. Is there an option to run the setup without remote switch and basically power on/change mode/power off from the light head itself? It would be great to get a view shot of the switch section on light engine...
    Are these being sold with a remote?? I must of missed that somehow. Is this true?

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    Chomagftw wrote:

    Are these being sold with a remote?? I must of missed that somehow. Is this true?
    Cat, we know you love your remotes!

    I believe remote is inclusive:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Vag, Thanks for that clarification. As to the "Open" photo: Basically the light looks to throw only about 25 meters ( 82ft. )...unless at that point the road drops down a hill and you can't see further. If it does indeed throw only 25 meters that would compare to the current offerings sold by Magicshine ( MJ-872 ) and Bikeray ( BR IV ). Personally I was hoping for a little more usable throw. Now if the over-all beam pattern was not quite as bright/wide but threw to say, 150 ft. then you have something worth moving up to. Perhaps if you used different ( tighter )optics or perhaps one of the current optics and one reflector you could reach a more happy medium. With the current setup I wouldn't plan to use this as a helmet lamp but it would make a darn good bar setup especially if you already have a good thrower on the helmet.

    Chomagftw wrote:

    Are these being sold with a remote?? I must of missed that somehow. Is this true?
    Hello,

    @ Cat-man-do I guess the picture is a bit deceiving. The path does drop away at the point where the red dot is. We will post some 'flat' trail/open space photos on Sunday night (NZ time) with a professional setup that will indicate the throw a little better. We compared with the Bikeray III (3 x XPG) and the X2 was superior. You should see usable throw out to about 35-40m (115-130ft). I guess it also depends on where you aim the light during such photographs.

    In regards to the remote switch. Please do not confuse this with a wireless switch. The remote switch is remote from the light head. It is optimised for bar and helmet use so it can be mounted in the same place as the thumb for the rear derailleur shifter or on the side of the helmet. The cable splits just after it leave the housing - 1 wire going to the switch, 1 wire going to the battery. At this stage there is no switch on the light itself.

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    Maybe we can start reporting how bright lights are in "glow worms"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    @ Cat-man-do I guess the picture is a bit deceiving. The path does drop away at the point where the red dot is. We will post some 'flat' trail/open space photos on Sunday night (NZ time) with a professional setup that will indicate the throw a little better. We compared with the Bikeray III (3 x XPG) and the X2 was superior. You should see usable throw out to about 35-40m (115-130ft). I guess it also depends on where you aim the light during such photographs.

    In regards to the remote switch. Please do not confuse this with a wireless switch. The remote switch is remote from the light head. It is optimised for bar and helmet use so it can be mounted in the same place as the thumb for the rear derailleur shifter or on the side of the helmet. The cable splits just after it leave the housing - 1 wire going to the switch, 1 wire going to the battery. At this stage there is no switch on the light itself.

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    Okay, hopefully the better picture will be more revealing. Anyway you can include a photo of the remote? I would like to see what these things look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Okay, hopefully the better picture will be more revealing. Anyway you can include a photo of the remote? I would like to see what these things look like.
    Hello

    Well as it happens the rain has spoiled our progress on getting some more beam shots. Keep watching they will be soon, plus some of the remote swtich.

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    Led Temp

    I looked through this thread, but didn't see the tint.
    Anyone got info on this.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repo View Post
    I looked through this thread, but didn't see the tint.
    Anyone got info on this.

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    I agree. More info on tint needed Vag.

    Switch/button is remote or on the housing? I didn't get this. Photos look like it's onboard but description says remote.

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    Hello

    Well it's great we have so many question and interest in the X2.

    I'll answer the questions first then show you the long awaited beam shots.

    Also the new website is up and running at www.glowormlites.com!

    @ Repo

    The LEDs are XML T6 Bin 1B appx 5800k colour temp - you will see this in the beam shots. The colour is not a brilliant white thus allowing the rider to see more detail in the trail.

    @ Giant-Lander

    The switch is a remote switch, not in the housing.


    (this post has been edited. Old beam shots are deleted as they were of bad quality and not representing our light capabilities and new ones with two beam settings are uploaded in a later post)



    Enjoy!

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    Paypal sent.
    Vag, get those parcels going!
    Beam looks a bit too broad but.... we'll see!
    Place an integraded battery light as the next project! Maybe triple xpg or dual xm-l....
    Tint looks good.

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    For me the beam is too floody. Particularly because the smallish size would be good on the helmet. Tighten that baby up some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    For me the beam is too floody. Particularly because the smallish size would be good on the helmet. Tighten that baby up some.
    I agree. They could at least offer a second set of lenses or reflectors. If the Xera lens fit, that would be very, very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    For me the beam is too floody. Particularly because the smallish size would be good on the helmet. Tighten that baby up some.
    I think we can safely say now that these are designed to be primarily used as bar lights. That much is clear. If the light really does throw to 130 ft ( 40m ) that wouldn't be too bad but it is hard to judge intensity from the beam photos. Beam tint does look a bit warm. Some people will like that and some won't. The only potential problem I see could lie with the lower power levels. With a beam that wide and with the present beam tint the lower levels might not be as useful as they could be. This however is speculation on my part. We need some user beam photos to help widen our perspective.

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    I've stayed out of this thread for a wee while, but I thought I'd chime in again briefly. The first set of photos didn't do the light justice at all. I was holding the light while Bruce took the photos, and for whatever reason the camera didn't capture as much light as I was actually seeing in real life, and this particularly applied to the amount of throw. I suspect the second set of shots are still coming up a bit short, and the tint looks greener than I recall seeing in person. It was a pretty warm tint, but compared to a quad XPG light we were also looking at, I thought it was pretty good for making out trail detail.

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    I would buy this light if they would offer an option for a tighter beam with more reach. I absolutely love remote switches and the size, output, and adjustability on this light are nice. I would have bought a Piko this year, but it just didnt have enough output to replace my Wilma at 1000 lumens. This light has eveything I would want in a helmet light if they just offer the tighter beam. Please do that and you will have a winning package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    I would buy this light if they would offer an option for a tighter beam with more reach. I absolutely love remote switches and the size, output, and adjustability on this light are nice. I would have bought a Piko this year, but it just didnt have enough output to replace my Wilma at 1000 lumens. This light has eveything I would want in a helmet light if they just offer the tighter beam. Please do that and you will have a winning package.
    I agree. If you look at the comments, VAG said something about a throw and a flood on the two sides so... if they would offer an additional throw optic or reflector, fthat would be sweet!
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    Beam shots

    Hello,

    Long time no see, as both me and Bruce are working in the last details of the X2. One of these details was added thanks to your feedback. Thank you for that guys!

    Gloworm X2 has now two optics setting: Spot-Flood and Spot-Spot!!!!

    Spot-Flood makes a nice floody beam, the one that you have seen in previous photos, while,

    Spot-Spot makes a more tight beam with better throw and still enough flood, especially good for helmet use.

    This way we hope that we address all the issues with our beam and that we offer an all around solution.

    Lense Settings
    Basic setting is Spot-Flood and for all preorders an extra Spot Lense will be added for free so that you have both options available!
    (also for the ones already made)

    Return Policy
    Also please note that a 14 days return in case you do not like the light is applied for all pre orders.

    Beamshots
    Comparison with Gemini Titan P7-MTBR Settings- Canon G7 (Francois is using Canon G9)
    Open space photo with cone at 40m (135ft)
    Please pay special notice to the throw of the Spot-Spot Setting especially in comparison with Titan P7. (look at the trees around the cone)

    Trail photo with cone at 30m (100ft)
    Please pay special attention to the different beam pattern between Spot-Spot and Flood-Spot.

    Wall photo is with Flood-Spot lenses just for you to see the beam. Spot-spot does not have such difference in such a short distance.


    Enjoy!








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    Website?

    Any reported problems with the website? I've tried to access it through the US and haven't been able to connect.
    By the way, those beam shots look amazing.
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    I can get to the site fine from the US. A little slow, but it comes up...

    Some questions:

    1. I really like the hard battery case on the Gemini lights which is a very clean design. Will your hard case be similar? Guess it would be nice to see some actual pictures of the entire kit before investing in the pre-order.

    2. Do you have any further indication of an actual ship date? The site appears to be updated to answer this question, mid-Jan.

    3. Do you plan to offer any sort of trial period similar to what Gemini does? Being so new, I want to ensure there will not be issues with the initial roll-out. Again, the site has been updated to answer this question. 14-day trial which is great.

    New question: Any chance of offering free shipping on the initial roll-out or for pre-orders I know Gemini did this and I think it helped greatly to get the product in to new hands.

    I am excited about the light! Looks very promising...
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    Good job on offering options on the beam shape. Even with the spot,spot beam there is plenty of flood it appears.

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    Can I buy just the lighthead, no battery and charger? I have a bunch of geomangear batteries that I'd put to good use with this.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    I can get to the site fine from the US. A little slow, but it comes up...

    On another note, I sent both Vag and Bruce an email with some questions a couple days ago with no reply. Hopefully, this is not an indication of how customer service will be moving forward. I will post the questions here since they appear to monitor:

    1. I really like the hard battery case on the Gemini lights which is a very clean design. Will your hard case be similar? Guess it would be nice to see some actual pictures of the entire kit before investing in the pre-order.

    2. Do you have any further indication of an actual ship date? The site appears to be updated to answer this question, mid-Jan.

    3. Do you plan to offer any sort of trial period similar to what Gemini does? Being so new, I want to ensure there will not be issues with the initial roll-out. Again, the site has been updated to answer this question. 14-day trial which is great.

    New question: Any chance of offering free shipping on the initial roll-out or for pre-orders I know Gemini did this and I think it helped greatly to get the product in to new hands.

    Again, I hope the no-reply on my email is not an indication of future support! Being a new light manufacturer, it is imperative to reply to new mails/inquiries ASAP. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for a bad reputation from the start.

    I am excited about the light! Looks very promising...
    Hello,

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    Bruce has replied to you. I hope it did not end up in a spam folder (we usually don't spam ). I am forwarding you now. Please check your mails and PM me if it still did not reach you as we'll have to look at it.

    Now regarding the questions:


    Hard case


    Our hard case will be similar to other hard cases in the market. As batteries are all shaped the same there is not much space for creation.

    The case is under production so at the moment we can't share any photos with you but for what I am sure is of the high quality, flexible plastic and of a low consumption LED battery level indicators.

    Shipping date

    We are sure that we will be shipping the first batch before Mid January and confident that it will be at the first week of January.

    Shipping cost

    What we offer is USA shipping (from NY, and this is breaking news) for the first batch and until we get a proper distributor-reseller in the USA. That means that you will avoid all the customs clearance mess and confusions with custom.

    Please note that our presale is for 153.35 USD + Shipping for a 1200 Lumen Light, 100% designed by New Zealand engineers and manufactured under Western Management (actually mine ). To my knowledge and experience this is a very good offer and I hope that you agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Can I buy just the lighthead, no battery and charger? I have a bunch of geomangear batteries that I'd put to good use with this.
    Yes, you can. We'll be adding that option soon and I will inform you by PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Yes, you can. We'll be adding that option soon and I will inform you by PM.
    I would be interested in this option as well (provided the Geoman gear is compatible without any customization on my part).

    Please PM me, with the light head price only as well. Thanks!

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    So, the lights will be shipped from NY, interesting. Guess that works out better for us US folks. Would shipping actually be less than the nearly 20$ indicated on the pre-order form then? I am assuming the 20$ was calculated based on overseas to the US rates.

    Oh, how about some real pictures of the mounts as promised in your post with the CNC renderings. I assume the bar mount will have some sort of rubber barrier between the mount and bars?

    Thanks again Vag and Bruce...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    Vag, I never received the mail and it did not show up in my spam box (although it could have been missed). No worries though and thanks for the forum reply. I am sure others will benefit from the questions answered, so it worked out fine.

    So, the lights will be shipped from NY, interesting. Guess that works out better for us US folks. Would shipping actually be less than the nearly 20$ indicated on the pre-order form then? I am assuming the 20$ was calculated based on overseas to the US rates.

    Oh, how about some real pictures of the mounts as promised in your post with the CNC renderings. I assume the bar mount will have some sort of rubber barrier between the mount and bars?

    Thanks again Vag and Bruce...
    Hello,

    I just PMed you with the mail. I tried to forward you and it bounced. Anyway, it is all answered now here and this is enough.

    Mounts

    You are right. We promised photos and they are soon to come. For what I can assure you now is the barrier between mount and bars.



    Regarding shipping please note that this is an extra service from us until we get a representative which actually costs more than simply shipping with DHL from Shenzhen.

    Just to give you an insight we will have to bear SZ-NY shipping, NY to your door shipping, Tax and warehousing fees. I know this is none of your problem but still, I hope you understand why we do keep the shipping in that level and I hope you will agree it is a fair deal.

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    Very nice looking light head. I look forward to more picuters of the actual light and battery setup. I'd also be interested in the compatibility of the Geoman batteries as well.

    Keeping an eye on this thread

    Thanks for the torture of more lights

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    Hello,

    The connectors of the X2 are the same with most of the lights out there and compatible with Geoman batteries.

    We recommend you to only use batteries with high quality cells.

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    Can you post pictures of the actual lighthead? And maybe with something for a size reference? I don't want to see renderings . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Can you post pictures of the actual lighthead? And maybe with something for a size reference? I don't want to see renderings . . .
    I'll second that. I'm still waiting to see what the remote looks like. Hopefully it won't be like the MagicShines. As long as it's not more than 1cm high is should be fine.

    Oh and by the way, others are just as curious as to how much a "light head only" will cost. When these are ready for market you might as well post that option in the web menu. Kudo's for making these compatible with standard MS type battery plugs.

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    I found the price on their website here:
    Gloworm Performance Products - Lighting

    It's not on the link you click from the front page so I missed it till just now. $125 NZD = about $96 or $97.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I found the price on their website here:
    Gloworm Performance Products - Lighting

    It's not on the link you click from the front page so I missed it till just now. $125 NZD = about $96 or $97.
    Thanks gitclay, now all we need is some actual photos of the prototype.

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    Hello,

    Here come the long awaited photos. First with the bar mount and second with the helmet mount ( it secures to your helmet with a velcro).

    To answer Cat Man Do question:

    Switch--> it is 1cm high ( to be precise 1.08cm high).

    And some more comments:
    1.The side screw will be black and with grips on the head (still on production)so that you can screw and unscrew without using any tool.

    2. As you can see the headlight can turn up and down. We have worked out a design that you will be able to adjust your headlight by just using your hand and it will not move from its position however rough the trail is.

    3. Button is plastic with rubber to where your finger touch to give you some extra grip when you are about to change mode.

    That's all for now, hope you like it.

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    Looks good! I'd prefer a QR bar mount though over an O-Ring setup

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    Appreciate the eye candy Vag.

    Light head looks great, I mentioned that before. Spot/flood lens switchability option offering a definite plus also.

    Not a big fan of danglies as far as remote switches go however. If this were Burger King and I could have it my way, I'd forgo the remote access and have the power on/off/level up/level down toggle switch on the light head itself. Not too sure how much of a difference design and dimension wise that would make. Having said that, I'm sure there are those who will welcome the offering.

    Great to see light companies pushing forth the envelope allowing consumers a much wider product choice compared to a decade back. Exciting times indeed!

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    Any chance there's a screw hole in the bottom so a magicshine or (insert here) bar mount could be put on it?
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Any chance there's a screw hole in the bottom so a magicshine or (insert here) bar mount could be put on it?
    Hello,

    Thanks for the feedback.

    @gticlay and OO7 Unfortunately no screw hole for other mounts. The supplied bar mount provides central placement of the light (over the stem) with infinite placement ability. You can place the headlamp from directly above the bar all the way through to below the bar - whatever suits you.

    Bruce has personally ridden this design through and over some very rough terrain with no movement. This is based on the tight o-ring mount system. We design the o-ring mounts to be wider therefore creating a wider spread and a stronger hold to the bar. Additionally the mount is held to the housing using 16mm bolt with 2 small o-rings (1 either side of the mount) providing a resistant bearing surface.

    @Chromagftw I guess the remote will not suit some however to maintain the small size of the light and the necessary cooling the remote option was chosen. The switch length has been optimised to be placed near the shifters or on the side of the helmet - meaning there is no need to remove your hands from the bar.

    Soon we will have some direct size comparisons with the Gemini Titan

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    It probably needs the cooling under the light in addition to above with that much light coming out anyway...

    I'm pretty excited to see it next to the Titan (or Xera).
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    Very nice looking light and I like the options. Can't wait to hear some reviews once it gets into user's hands.

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    Very Nice! Very Nice! Good work on the remote. Like others I might have wanted a screw hole under the light head in case I wanted to use another mount but this looks like it might work right out of the box. My only doubt though centers around just how stable the lamp will be on the bars with the off-set ( O-ring ) mounting. I wouldn't have said that though if this had of been designed with a cam/clamp bar mount but since this is using O-rings it might tend to be a little unstable if the O-ring is not the right size. Not a big issue though because usually I can find O-rings in any hardware store that will work ( * if the stock ones are not tight enough ).

    Anyway, I like what I'm seeing. Looks like you're using optics...cool. Can't wait to see some beam pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Very Nice! Very Nice! Good work on the remote. Like others I might have wanted a screw hole under the light head in case I wanted to use another mount but this looks like it might work right out of the box. My only doubt though centers around just how stable the lamp will be on the bars with the off-set ( O-ring ) mounting. I wouldn't have said that though if this had of been designed with a cam/clamp bar mount but since this is using O-rings it might tend to be a little unstable if the O-ring is not the right size. Not a big issue though because usually I can find O-rings in any hardware store that will work ( * if the stock ones are not tight enough ).

    Anyway, I like what I'm seeing. Looks like you're using optics...cool. Can't wait to see some beam pics.
    Hello Cat-man-do

    You must have missed the new beam shots (link below). Bruce invested in a tripod and used the a Canon G7 camera utilising the MTBR light shoot out settings. The results speak for themselves.

    Link to Beam Shot Post

    Regarding the o-ring mount, agreed, if the o-ring is the wrong size or a little loose it may be unstable. However with the design width of the where the o-ring hooks onto the mount it creates a wider profile and therefore is more stable. Our tests have yielded very positive results (especially through rock gardens and off steep drops! - so Bruce says!)

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    Hey Gloworm, I wish you luck with this light, it looks nice and I want one.

    I spent ages and ages making two on my manual mill (one for me and one for my Wife). I now wish I had read this thread when it first began as I have only just found it and could have saved myself lots of time and money.



    Good luck, looks like a nice light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello Cat-man-do

    You must have missed the new beam shots (link below). Bruce invested in a tripod and used the a Canon G7 camera utilising the MTBR light shoot out settings. The results speak for themselves.

    Link to Beam Shot Post
    Yes, I did miss the photos, thanks. After looking at the beam shots I am very impressed. I think this is the first set-up I've seen in a long time where there is an major difference between the flood/spot and spot/spot set-up. Hopefully I will have some money when these come out as I think I would like one.

    Big question: Are these going to be made so the user can switch out the optics?? If not I'm going to have a hard time choosing the optics I prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Big question: Are these going to be made so the user can switch out the optics?? If not I'm going to have a hard time choosing the optics I prefer.
    Hey,

    Yes, the optics can be changed by the user. Simply remove the two front screws, drop out the optics and replace them with the desired units. The only thing that will be exposed is the LED board so there is no chance of disrupting the electronics or other workings.

    Also remember that with all presales we will be providing a free replacement lens/optic. This option will be available after the presale offer - however it will cost an extra $5USD.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetibetty View Post
    Hey Gloworm, I wish you luck with this light, it looks nice and I want one.

    I spent ages and ages making two on my manual mill (one for me and one for my Wife). I now wish I had read this thread when it first began as I have only just found it and could have saved myself lots of time and money.



    Good luck, looks like a nice light.
    That's a beautiful-looking light.

    @Vag, do you intend on producing any raw (uncoloured) light units?

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    Anyhow, paypal sent your way! Any special specials for the preorder clients or things you'd want a good old Canadian to test out?

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    Very nice light! Do you now, how heavy the lighthead with the helmet mount is? The Lupine Piko is supposed to be 54g - I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    Anyhow, paypal sent your way! Any special specials for the preorder clients or things you'd want a good old Canadian to test out?
    My apology for the spamming. Can you please ensure that my order is shipped with the spot/flood combination as standard with the additional spot optics. I hope I didn't made the mistake of requesting for all spot optics

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    Hello,

    We are more than happy with the positive comments on X2. Exciting times indeed!

    To your questions now:

    @ baymoe
    No mistake done. I just checked. You have 1 flood , 2 spot optics.

    Regarding uncoloured lights, we do not plan to produce some in the moment. X2 housing after being produced is sand blasted and anodized. We see this treatment as an important part of our production process as it makes X2 more durable, rigid and abrasion resistive.

    @mrraldos
    Sorry for that, but, I do not remember the exact weight by heart now. You will have to wait few hours(8-10) till i get to office tomorrow morning and check it with a scale. I'll be posting back.

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    Vag, Clear anodizing is possible and affords the same protection. However, the black color helps keep the light cool by allowing it to radiate heat better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Vag, Clear anodizing is possible and affords the same protection. However, the black color helps keep the light cool by allowing it to radiate heat better.
    How about that rad camo anodizing like Twenty6 and a few other companies are doing?
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    This looks like a great light. I'm currently in Canada. Any chance of shipping here and costs? Would custom fees, etc be including in shipping costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    This looks like a great light. I'm currently in Canada. Any chance of shipping here and costs? Would custom fees, etc be including in shipping costs?
    I've made the leap. Will let you know how that goes.

    .... from Canada (Toronto)

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    I've made the leap. Will let you know how that goes.

    .... from Canada (Toronto)
    ....Plus one. The Gloworm X-2 seems to be designed specifically to my own personally preferences. With that in mind it would be totally rude of me not to order one, hence I's laying me moneys down. This lamp appears to do everything I could want a lamp to do other than dance a two step ( )

    For the record, those requirements were:
    1) user replaceable optics
    2) wired remote
    3) multiple mode menu
    4) the ability to throw a nice long beam pattern
    5) off set ( and tilt-able... I think ) mounting
    6) runs off a standard MS/BR battery/cable setup
    7) reasonable price
    8) 14 day, no questions asked return policy

    Gloworm did I leave anything out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    ....Plus one. The Gloworm X-2 seems to be designed specifically to my own personally preferences. With that in mind it would be totally rude of me not to order one, hence I's laying me moneys down. This lamp appears to do everything I could want a lamp to do other than dance a two step ( )

    For the record, those requirements were:
    1) user replaceable optics
    2) wired remote
    3) multiple mode menu
    4) the ability to throw a nice long beam pattern
    5) off set ( and tilt-able... I think ) mounting
    6) runs off a standard MS/BR battery/cable setup
    7) reasonable price
    8) 14 day, no questions asked return policy

    Gloworm did I leave anything out?
    Hi All

    @Cat-man-do - I don't think you missed anything. I aim was to design a light that covered most of the needs of most users. So I'm glad we've ticked all your boxes. By the way we're currently working on the electronics for the two step

    @matchpoint - Yes we can ship to Canada, it will be $25NZD. Unfortunately the fees/taxes at the border are your responsibility - sorry.

    Now, I went out and brought a lux meter in the weekend. Using the approximate mtbr settings for measuring lux I conducted some measurements of the X2 lux output. Setup was as follows (as you'll see in the pics) 10ft x 10ft room, light and meter side by side 5ft from ceiling, ceiling white, walls light colour. Measurement taken 30 sec after light was turned on. (Please note the board was placed on a box to raise it to the correct height).

    The result was 126 (MTBR) lux. If we compare that to Francios' table using the relationship of MTBR Lux x 10 to determine lumens - the X2 puts out 1260 lumens.

    As a comprison the last photo is the MTBR Lux generated by the Gemini Titan - 60 Lux



    Enjoy - comparison photos/weights coming soon.

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    Bruce - Can you show a photo of the lighthead mounted to a helmet? Thanks!

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    I have one concern regarding the mount. My handlebars are curved and I see no way of making left/right adjustments. With the Magic Shine 808 clones I currently have, the mounting is secured to the bottom with a screw. I can always loosen that up and make left/right adjustments. This would pretty much make the light useless for me unless I can point it straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    I have one concern regarding the mount. My handlebars are curved and I see no way of making left/right adjustments. With the Magic Shine 808 clones I currently have, the mounting is secured to the bottom with a screw. I can always loosen that up and make left/right adjustments. This would pretty much make the light useless for me unless I can point it straight.
    Glad I won't have that problem but a good point to make. Another good reason to have a screw hole under the lamp in case you need an alternate mounting solution. The only thing I can suggest might be the Niterider universal off-set mount. You could try gluing a Niterider quick-release clip to underneath the lamp or go the industrial velcro route. I use one of these mounts with a Bikeray IV but the BR does have a bottom screw which makes it easier.

    Anyway you can include a photo of your handlebars to show us what you're dealing with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Glad I won't have that problem but a good point to make. Another good reason to have a screw hole under the lamp in case you need an alternate mounting solution. The only thing I can suggest might be the Niterider universal off-set mount. You could try gluing a Niterider quick-release clip to underneath the lamp or go the industrial velcro route. I use one of these mounts with a Bikeray IV but the BR does have a bottom screw which makes it easier.

    Anyway you can include a photo of your handlebars to show us what you're dealing with?
    Hi Guys

    Yes I do hear what you are saying. We have reduced the possibility of this problem by designing the bar mount (only 14mm wide at the base) to sit alongside the stem where most bars are flat. The light then centres over the stem thus pointing the light in the correct direction.

    We'll post some pics soon of one of our prototypes mounted on the bars and helmet to provide some real world prespective.

    In the meantime if 'matchpoint' could post a pic of his bars we could assess how the light would best work.

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    I use Easton Monkeylite XC carbon bars and a Titec stem. There is no "flat" past the stem. The bars start to sweep up -8mm past the stem and there is .75mm taper in that distance. Single sided NR mounts always put the light angled slightly off center. The solution for me was to make a "bridge" style mount that attaches to both sides of the bar with light in the middle.

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    You might be able to simply velcro the light to a magicshine rubberband mount. If it's that light, it shouldn' fly off or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    I use Easton Monkeylite XC carbon bars and a Titec stem. There is no "flat" past the stem. The bars start to sweep up -8mm past the stem and there is .75mm taper in that distance. Single sided NR mounts always put the light angled slightly off center. The solution for me was to make a "bridge" style mount that attaches to both sides of the bar with light in the middle.
    dang....8mm isn't much room to work with unless you have the bridge custom made. You could use an extension off the stem like this but it is somewhat bulky.

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    Hello Everyone,

    We have recently had some requests for photos of the X2 mounted on the helmet and bar. So we have used one of our original prototypes to give you an accurate indication of size and profile. Additionally we have added some shots comparing the Gloworm X2 with the Gemini Titan.

    (Please ignore the detail of this particular light as it is prototype version 1 - the actual production prototype can be seen here)

    So here you go....enjoy!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello Everyone,

    We have recently had some requests for photos of the X2 mounted on the helmet and bar. So we have used one of our original prototypes to give you an accurate indication of size and profile. Additionally we have added some shots comparing the Gloworm X2 with the Gemini Titan.

    (Please ignore the detail of this particular light as it is prototype version 1 - the actual production prototype can be seen here)

    So here you go....enjoy!


    This lamp looks so sweet! I can't wait to get it. Sadly there will likely be snow where I am by mid January so I'm in no real hurry. Besides, I don't really ride in winter too much any more unless I get a really nice day. . Anyway, this mounting gives the lamp a very clean look which I just love. I just hope it works as well as it looks.

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    Very nIce light. I would like to see a comparison to a piko. A p7 Gemini Titan is not really good match to compare it to. Anymore specs on the head unit like beam degree and weight?

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    Sure is nice looking. I can't decide whether to buy 1 or 2.
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    Nice to see that the helmet mount gets the light low, off the crown of the helmet.

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    Is there some sort of non-scratching buffer between the handlebar mount and the bar? Looks like metal on metal in the pictures...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    Is there some sort of non-scratching buffer between the handlebar mount and the bar? Looks like metal on metal in the pictures...
    I'm sure there is, but at the VERY least you could just wrap a little innertube around the bar.


    Vag and Bruce - I'm curious if you measured your LUX from the Titan as well. It would be nice to know the numbers, same room, same conditions, for comparison.

    Also, I really like the rubberband mount that's offset and 'up'. It looks real versatile that you can tilt it forward a bit. One of the biggest problems that I have is a 'fender shadow'. I live in an extremely muddy area so I have to run gigantic fenders (like the THE fender) and this should help to minimize that issue.
    "It looks flexy"

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