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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    Blue-green tint light is the best possible tint for night lighting:
    But that goes against a lot of experience which says that blue tints are more dazzling/difficult to focus on. I personally find blue the most annoying colour to deal with. It always just appears fuzzy and out of focus regardless of how "bright" it might be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    But that goes against a lot of experience which says that blue tints are more dazzling/difficult to focus on. I personally find blue the most annoying colour to deal with. It always just appears fuzzy and out of focus regardless of how "bright" it might be.
    They said 507 nm which is more green than blue and this is based on various studies not someone's gut feeling. White lights with peak in this wavelength. Most forums of "white" light have a spectrum profile and it varies with your intended use and/or cultural tradition rather than scientific reason (if you travel the world you will see some countries were they prefer lower temperatures and some countries like higher temperatures for general lighting use).

    Commercial lighting products are typically rated for how well they reproduce natural light spectrum - CRI but its not perfect especially for LEDs. More recently this has been improved with CQS. Why ignore this extensive body of lighting research on this topic and nightvision and go with random subjective opinion?

    Color Quality Scale - Lighting Quality | LED - CRI

    NIST Color rendering of light sources

    http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildin...s_06-15-10.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    Blue-green tint light is the best possible tint for night lighting:
    Despite the scientific explanation of why it is best, I'll describe why in my experience it is not good for a trail light at least in my area.

    My first couple LED lights were made with Cree MCEs that had a greenish tint particularly when driven at 500mA or lower. The greenish tint increased the difficulty in seeing many trail details in the Pacific Northwet region. Shine a red light on red text and see how it disappears. Our trails with lots of greenery had a similar, though less pronounced, effect with the greenish tint. Details seemed to be harder to distinguish.

    That batch of LEDs lost most of the greenish tint at higher drive currents. I finally settled on overdriving them to 1A to improve the output and tint.
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    Anyone find a 105 O-ring locally for the mount? I visited two local hardware stores and looked at 4 different trays of orings - no luck. Haven't checked with the big box stores (Lowe/Depot) but usually the local specialty shops have more small parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    Anyone find a 105 O-ring locally for the mount? I visited two local hardware stores and looked at 4 different trays of orings - no luck. Haven't checked with the big box stores (Lowe/Depot) but usually the local specialty shops have more small parts.
    I havent tried yet but reckon I'll go straight to a specialist rubber supply shop.

    I would actually like to know the size of all of the o-rings (both the 2 small ones on the light head and the 2 larger ones that hold the mount to the handlebar) in case i need to buy some spares down the track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    They said 507 nm which is more green than blue and this is based on various studies not someone's gut feeling. White lights with peak in this wavelength. Most forums of "white" light have a spectrum profile and it varies with your intended use and/or cultural tradition rather than scientific reason (if you travel the world you will see some countries were they prefer lower temperatures and some countries like higher temperatures for general lighting use).

    Commercial lighting products are typically rated for how well they reproduce natural light spectrum - CRI but its not perfect especially for LEDs. More recently this has been improved with CQS. Why ignore this extensive body of lighting research on this topic and nightvision and go with random subjective opinion?

    Color Quality Scale - Lighting Quality | LED - CRI

    NIST Color rendering of light sources

    http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildin...s_06-15-10.pdf
    Nothing in your links support your claim that green tints are the best for vision. Instead I got a link to various papers which state that CQS (which hasn't been ratified yet) matches a light's quality to the subjective eye-pleasingness of the light.

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    Experiments testing observers’ chromatic discrimination and hue perception of illuminated objects will be complemented by subjective rankings of naturalistic scenes. Current experiments are also testing the relationship between illuminance and object chroma. Since the CQS is intended to be a metric of overall color quality, the data from several types of experiments will be used to assess and improve its performance.


    Which means that these subjective ratings are going to be taken into consideration and worked into improving the CQS.

    The closest you got to fact was by stating that 507nm is the peak wavelength in "white light", by which I presume you mean noon sunlight, after filtering through the atmosphere in which case you are correct.

    However, I would garner that there are very few people who would say sunlight has a green tint, despite this green having the highest intensity. Most would say it was white, changing gradually through yellow to orange and finally deep red in the evening. (Unless you count the "green flash" at sunset).

    Remember white LEDs are actually usually blue LEDs irradiating a phosphor which re-emits the radiation at a bunch of longer wavelengths (usually green or yellow centred) which, when combined with the the initial blue light, make them somewhat more cold-looking than natural sunlight.

    Although sunlight indeed includes a lot of green, green occupies a much narrower space in the spectrum than the reds and it is these reds that bring out the warmth and depth in a scene, (hence orange tinted lenses in sunglasses / field scopes / sports gunsights) especially if you want to see browns and oranges (color of wood, soil and clay) with any real fidelity.

    Still, more than a few people have commented on the green tints, so it would appear that the tint is bothering some of us.

    I personally find I adjust to it after a few minutes, but as I stated in an earlier post, my town has gone LED on all its major streets' lamps and the "greenness" of my double X2 setup is quite noticeable when I come out of an LED lit area into a back street. Whether it is the LED or the optic filtering the light though, is still unclear.

    If green really were the best, as you state, I'm sure a lot more green lights would be a lot more prominent everywhere.
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    to be green, or not to be green ?
    well my favorite color is yellow,...

    everybody's eye's are different, the closer to a neutral white, is the best average.
    of fashion and practical value,...
    the blue pushed in, to be fashionable, since it increased the perceived brightness,
    what had a sale value, my light is brighter then yours,...
    but the high Kelvin, blueish lights, also created a lots of glare, with negative impact
    on visibility,... so , lots of countries have now regulations in place, to limit that on the road.
    since a lot of light sources are limited in the output, a added blue factor, can lead to a recognizable difference. so it's still in fashion, thought it's kinda cheating , since the practical value goes down,
    even measurable lumens go down.
    some serious motor bike riders, and racers, commuters, are going from the high kelvin HID's ,
    to a lower kelvin source, all the way down to ultra yellow HID's.
    simply of practical value, and more pleasant to the eye.
    on road, on fast bikes, it's key to be seen, and a bright white, street approved light source,
    will just be that. the ultra yellow HID, you can see, and distinguish for miles away.
    and that makes the difference. fashion wise, some still don't like the tint, but practical, there is no argument.
    now for off-road, the ultra yellow, with dirt-bike, and baja racers, is a factor.
    for one, the blue part , shorter wave length scatters much more, and decreases the visibility,
    with that glare. all the dust, fog, humidity, etc.
    the other factor, lot's of them can not pin-point, is , that the yellow, brings out the green,
    and the green is where the eyes work best.
    of photopic and scotopic vision, and cones and rods , it's a science by itself.
    practically , green is the color, where you can distinguish the most shades !
    take deep blue, and things are starting to look, well flat , with no depth.
    now off-road, moving at speed, the more shades of color the eye can detect ,
    the more depth and distance can be judged .
    shooting glasses , are yellow, to increase contrast, and filter out blue -> less glare,
    and shift the color spectrum to -> green . for the most visible shades .

    back to the flavor,
    for one , the manufacturer, gives a led color bin, since at manufacturing,
    those pesky leds , are all over the color chart.
    so buying leds even in the bin you want, always have some sort of tint.
    All of them!
    then add to it, Everybody's eyes are different !
    and top that of, the optics and reflector, add a tint.
    the leds with the spatial distribution, beamed into a optic,
    where the optic acts like a prism, will give you a whole rainbow of colors .....!
    the cheap and affordable optics will always show this.
    for crying out load, you could get $2000 lenses , and as a photographer,
    always battle white-balance, tints , and chromatic aberrations .
    on the same token, what makes things worse, thinking photography ,...
    the most difficult , to get a uniform light, is using multiple light sources ,
    from different vendors.
    translation:
    if you use multiple lights, the tint will shift also.
    that means a helmet and handlebar light, but also means even a dual light in one package.
    most noticeable, by riding past a light with the worst CRI and tint,
    an good old street light, with a half burned arc lamp.

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    I don't know everything, nor do I have an answer.
    I do have opinions, so do others, most of it , is just perception.
    My english is a third language, and my writing skills are sub-standard.
    just an german engineer, who happen to be a mtb light freak.

    hope you can throw in your flavor of the day, tint or opinion.
    after all, it's your light, and you have to ride with it.
    cheers, Rob

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    I really don't like a yellow tint very much. My 7-up has 3 white and 4 yellowish leds and when it has the 3 white on instead of the 4 yellow, it's much better for general riding. Of course, all 7 is ideal :P but even then the yellow tint with them combined still isn't as nice as if it were all white.
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    I have experimented with various tints over the years with my DIY lights as I wanted things to look “real” just like they do on a nice sunny day.
    I have settled on the 2b tint for Cree LEDs as it the most realistic tint I have found so far.

    First I took a picture of a wall in my garden on a nice sunny day then locked the exposure and the white balance. I then took the same pictures at night with the same settings. First with a cool 1c tint LED light and then with a 2b tint LED light to find out which one looked the most like it did in the day. The 2b tint wins for me.

    I like riding on sunny days so I try to get the same thing at night

    Sunny day.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by yetibetty View Post
    I have experimented with various tints over the years with my DIY lights as I wanted things to look “real” just like they do on a nice sunny day.
    I have settled on the 2b tint for Cree LEDs as it the most realistic tint I have found so far.

    First I took a picture of a wall in my garden on a nice sunny day then locked the exposure and the white balance. I then took the same pictures at night with the same settings. First with a cool 1c tint LED light and then with a 2b tint LED light to find out which one looked the most like it did in the day. The 2b tint wins for me.

    I like riding on sunny days so I try to get the same thing at night

    Sunny day.....


    1c tint....


    2b tint...
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    @Gloworm

    I'm not sure if anyone else is having this problem... I'm handling my X2s with care, but the anodizing is already rubbing off of the sharp bevelled rim around the front lens. Admittedly I have to take them off about twice a day! Once at home and once at my destination. I always keep them in their boxes when they are off the bike, but they are still going silver on their extremities... Is this usual with anodizing? I notice that the magichsines all have chrome-like details on their sticky-outy bits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    @Gloworm

    I'm not sure if anyone else is having this problem... I'm handling my X2s with care, but the anodizing is already rubbing off of the sharp bevelled rim around the front lens. Admittedly I have to take them off about twice a day! Once at home and once at my destination. I always keep them in their boxes when they are off the bike, but they are still going silver on their extremities... Is this usual with anodizing? I notice that the magichsines all have chrome-like details on their sticky-outy bits.
    I have a Piko 3 which is also black - including the section at the lens in the front. No problem at all with the finish after now many months of use. There is quite an elaborate description on the Lupine website about the process that was used to create the finish.

    In my experience anodized surfaces are quite durable - you might be facing some inferior quality of the finish on your light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    @Gloworm

    I'm not sure if anyone else is having this problem... I'm handling my X2s with care, but the anodizing is already rubbing off of the sharp bevelled rim around the front lens. Admittedly I have to take them off about twice a day! Once at home and once at my destination. I always keep them in their boxes when they are off the bike, but they are still going silver on their extremities... Is this usual with anodizing? I notice that the magichsines all have chrome-like details on their sticky-outy bits.
    Having gone through the anodizing process details quite extensively with our local plating company, I can tell you that there are many different levels of anodizing, and that the price goes up proportional to the durability of the finish. I can't imagine that they would have opted for the more expensive process. JFWIW

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    Hello,

    Is been a while since we last posted. They are many things to answer and we hope we won't loose something.

    Beamsots:
    Sorry for this delay, they will take few more days. We hope to have them delivered to you by the coming weekend.

    Cable Reinforcement:
    We are looking at it at the moment for the V2 although the tests we have made for V1 showed no problem. Will keep you updated.

    Missing lenses:
    They are dispatched.

    "Gloworm, How hard are you driving the emitters on the X2 and will the V2 be any different":
    Although we do not disclose this information anymore you can find on one of our first posts how much we drive the emitters This won';t change for the V2 and we'll just use the extra surface for even better heat management.

    Tint:
    We are closely following the ideas exchange here while running our own tests with the effect on colour using the new lenses and we will soon post you the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Nothing in your links support your claim that green tints are the best for vision. Instead I got a link to various papers which state that CQS (which hasn't been ratified yet) matches a light's quality to the subjective eye-pleasingness of the light.

    ..

    The closest you got to fact was by stating that 507nm is the peak wavelength in "white light", by which I presume you mean noon sunlight, after filtering through the atmosphere in which case you are correct.
    The first post I made on this topic in this thread links to the post which includes this information from a few sources...

    The spectral sensitivity of the human eye at photopic light levels (day vision) has a maximum wavelength of 555nm as described by the International Commission on Illumination (CIE). At scotopic light levels this value is located at a lower wavelength of 507nm. Both in theory and in practice, the determination of lamp lumens involves knowing the spectral power distribution (SPD) of the lamp and the visual response of the eye.
    The point is the concept of better quality light is well established with CRI in existing lighting products (usually declared in specs) and extensive well established research. People pay extra for "full spectrum" light products. And now with LEDs they are close to an even better measure - CQS.

    In summary, under mesopic viewing conditions, yellow sources have reduced effectiveness while blue/green sources have increased effectiveness. We therefore propose the concept of a ratio for determining the true rating of a fixture’s illumination in relation to lumens utilised by the human eye. This could provide a mechanism to determine the true “quality of light,” hence the term quality of light factor (QLF).

    From the above discussion it is clear that the strength of the scotopic eye sensitivity of an LED is a number of times higher than that of an HPS source. Therefore the QLF of an LED source should be greater than the QLF of an HPS source and this factor should be rated high while purchasing Safety Lights.

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    There is an easy way to change the color of your LEDs: filters. I'm still testing which filter is the best for my trails and eyes (removed them at the moment because of the snow).

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    @Gloworm

    There are a couple of threads mentioning Panasonic cells and that the Gloworm battery uses these top quality cells.
    Could you elaborate a little on your current and V2 battery.
    What cells do you use and also, are they internally balanced. Moreover, what sort of charge times can we expect?

    Also, you mentioned an improved battery indicator. Will it still be located on the battery body?

    Also, for us presages types. How much will a light AND battery set cost us?

    Thanks as always.

    PS... I have been running my pair of your X2s with my olde Magicshine MJ-816 on my helmet. The resultant lighting is nothing short of inspiring. In anything other than the open flat, it feels like riding in daylight! I'm loving them. Really looking forward to you guys spamming us with V2 pr0n...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    @Gloworm

    There are a couple of threads mentioning Panasonic cells and that the Gloworm battery uses these top quality cells.
    Could you elaborate a little on your current and V2 battery.
    What cells do you use and also, are they internally balanced. Moreover, what sort of charge times can we expect?

    Also, you mentioned an improved battery indicator. Will it still be located on the battery body?

    Also, for us presages types. How much will a light AND battery set cost us?


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    Hello,

    Thanks GraXXor for this question. Battery it is something we have not talked about here so I am going to grab the opportunity to give you some insight although I am not an engineer.

    @ GraXXor: full set goes for 100 USD for the presales buyers.

    Before that I'd like to mention that you can write your feedback on our product and customer service here. You will see a mistake in MSRP. It should be 209$ and not 249$. We have already wrote to MTBR about it and we hope it will change soon. We are also expecting an answer from MTBR on advertisement space in order to be fair with the website which gives us the space to present our product. Hope we'll get an answer soon.

    Let me mention here that our favorite Rock Group is "Red Hot Chilly Peppers"

    Back to the battery now

    Cell:
    We use Panasonic 2900 mAh cells. To our opinion Panasonic are the best cells currently in the market.

    The cells are balanced before production. For the ones who do not know even cells coming from the same batch of the same manufacturer happen to have some differences in their characteristics.

    When we balance we take the following 3 aspects into account:
    Capacity, internal resistance and voltage.

    Thus, you can be sure that your packages come to you perfectly balanced. The quality of the cells is a major factor that will keep your pack balanced as times passes.

    Using a balancing charger every few months is not a bad idea but it is also something that our packs are build to live without.

    Of course they are many ways to take care of your packs, especially during summer. Battery university gives great information on that.



    PCB:
    Our battery PCB has short circuit, high temperature, overcharge and over discharge protection. PCB manufacturing is made out of high quality electronic components.

    Charge time:
    Charge time depends on the charger current. Our current charger is on 1.6mAh which means that it will fully charge your battery in about 4 hours. Please note that our charger is CE and is UL listed. It also holds all the appropriate certificates for New Zealand and Australia.

    Difference between V1 and V2 battery:
    No difference actually except the fact that the battery indication will be a bit more smart as we are currently reprogramming.

    Thanks for taking the time to read this big post.

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    Until the trails clear of snow and the temperature rises around here, I have just been doing daytime road rides and going on the bike path which is mostly clear. On the roads, especially when it's overcast, I have been using the Gloworm X2 in flash mode and I can definitely tell it gets drivers attention. I can see some of them stop to look at the bright flashing light coming up the road and 2 people said it was really bright. Right now I am just using it on the bars of my hardtail Rockhopper and so far so good. I look forward to using it on helmet in combo with my Lupine Betty on the bars when I start doing some trail night rides. And also look forward to digging out my full suspension Stumpjumper this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Before that I'd like to mention that you can write your feedback on our product and customer service here. You will mention a mistake in MSRP. It should be 209$ and not 249$. We have already wrote to MTBR about it and we hope it will change soon. We are also expecting an answer from MTBR on advertisement space in order to be fair with the website which gives us the space to present our product. Hope we'll get an answer soon.
    I've been meaning to post the link to the X2 review - you beat me to it! I am really pleased with mine and wanted to be able to write a review, so I asked mtbr to start a new review and I got the first review in.

    I do wish I could edit the review because I have a bit more experience with the light now. I am using the spot-spot combination and I think it is a bit better for my riding.

    I also found a really cheap and easy fix for the sliding velcro for the remote switch. I just wrapped a strip of old inner tube around the bar first, then the velcro band. This works perfectly, and I think I prefer it over gluing a piece of velcro on the bar.

    Still loving this light!

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    @ Gloworm~

    Any idea when the head straps for the X2 will be shipped??

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    Quote Originally Posted by smthgfshy View Post
    @ Gloworm~

    Any idea when the head straps for the X2 will be shipped??
    Hello,

    Sorry for this delay with the head strap. Production will be finalized mid next week and we will start shipping immediately.

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    Hey guys, any chance of seeing the beamshots of the V2 light head compared to the V1 light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    Sorry for this delay with the head strap. Production will be finalized mid next week and we will start shipping immediately.

    Greets,
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    Here here for a preliminary V2 exposé.
    I'm prolly gunna plunk down on a couple of V2s if the beamshots are as good as I think they're going to be. In that case, I'd rather you sent the headstraps together with my next batch of lights than have a bunch of separate parcels going backwards and forwards until DHL manage to deliver it on a day I'm actually in.
    DHL have to have the worst service of all the big delivery agencies to destinations within Japan. EMS and Kuroneko, UPS, JPS are all cheaper and much more amenable to busy schedules because DHL doesn't even deliver on Saturdays, let alone Sundays like "proper" delivery companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    DHL have to have the worst service of all the big delivery agencies to destinations within Japan. EMS and Kuroneko, UPS, JPS are all cheaper and much more amenable to busy schedules because DHL doesn't even deliver on Saturdays, let alone Sundays like "proper" delivery companies.
    Prolly going to get smacked again for being off topic. Totally agree DHL's service leaves much to be desired - most times a disaster when we use them or others use them to send to us. UPS is by far the best.

    Sorry you didn't get the trophy we send you UPS, we used DHL that time.

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    I've never seen a delivery company deliver on a weekend in Australia, perhaps if you paid for some super duper express priority service, but not a standard delivery, usually Mon - Fri 8-5pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    I've never seen a delivery company deliver on a weekend in Australia, perhaps if you paid for some super duper express priority service, but not a standard delivery, usually Mon - Fri 8-5pm
    Wasn't referring to weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magicshine Australia View Post
    Wasn't referring to weekends.
    GraXXor was, as were others during the initial presales deliveries

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    I've never seen a delivery company deliver on a weekend in Australia, perhaps if you paid for some super duper express priority service, but not a standard delivery, usually Mon - Fri 8-5pm
    Yes, in Japan all the 'competitive' services deliver seven days a week.

    Actually, I was really surprised when I found out that DHL didn't, in Japan.
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    @gloworm... So do u think you could offer a bag of a few O-rings as an optional purchase on your website?

    I live in Japan, and it's a real pain trying to buy little things like that. I have no idea where to get them from. And I really don't want to go to all the hassle of making a separate order from, say, deal extreme or some other company just for the O-rings.
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    I notice that the price is down to 173.04 + 25 NZD(about $167) Is this for the V1 or the V2 light?

    Hmm, probably done with night riding this year, but for that price on this light I'm seriously considering it.
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    Should be for the V1. They put the price back down to the pre sales point, presumably to clear stock prior to the V2 release.

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    Been a long time coming but today I finally got a chance to try riding with my X2. Too much rain lately to try it on trails but I did take a short ride on the commuter bike. Anyway, good over all illumination. I mostly used the 500 lumen setting and had no problems. Not as much throw as the 808E but then again I already knew that going in. Tonight I threw the "Fireflys" on the valve stems just for fun. Got lots of looks. I would of done an extended ride but I still have some bronchitis left over from my recent bout of flu.
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    Newb here again. I'm still in the market for some lights to get me out at night on our very bumpy, rocky trails. I've been watching this thread. Two concerns still remain:
    1) Will it stay in place? I have a hard time seeing how the o-rings will keep the light from sliding down on my handlebars as I go over rocks and jumps. I've gone on a few niterides with some older lights I'd borrowed from a friend. When they move around because of the poor mounting mechanisms the ride turns into a nightmare. A solid mounted light is an absolute must for me.
    2) I still haven't seen any good helmet shots with the X2 mounted.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzFest View Post
    Newb here again. I'm still in the market for some lights to get me out at night on our very bumpy, rocky trails. I've been watching this thread. Two concerns still remain:
    1) Will it stay in place? I have a hard time seeing how the o-rings will keep the light from sliding down on my handlebars as I go over rocks and jumps. I've gone on a few niterides with some older lights I'd borrowed from a friend. When they move around because of the poor mounting mechanisms the ride turns into a nightmare. A solid mounted light is an absolute must for me.
    2) I still haven't seen any good helmet shots with the X2 mounted.
    Thanks in advance.
    Yes, it will stay in place! I've ridden down some really bumpy trails and never had to re-adjust the light. The lighthead is really light and the friction from the o-ring around the handlebars holds it in place very well. I'm mounting mine so it is in front of the stem, and it's very stable.

    Haven't tried it on my helmet yet, so I can't help with that.

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    @gloworm

    Of course, to get the spotty beams you're going to be using CREE's new XT-E aren't you? aren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    @gloworm

    Of course, to get the spotty beams you're going to be using CREE's new XT-E aren't you? aren't you?
    I was thinking/ hoping the same thing. Gloworm has been very quiet around here, no info, no beamshots etc, thought they may be tinkering the design a bit, possibly even changing to the XT E, of course, probably just wishful thinking on my part......

    Edit, just doing a bit of research on the XT E, a few comments on Candle power forums suggested the LED may be a little "floody", so not sure if that what the V2 really needs? To be honest, the design side is way over my head, so not sure what it means really. Found these lenses which has a 15 degree beam angle, size seems to be about right, any thoughts on their usefulnes in a Gloworm design, V2 or V3 or later?
    http://www.ledil.com/luopdf2.php?s=54&t=4955
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    Quote Originally Posted by agoura_biker View Post
    Yes, it will stay in place! I've ridden down some really bumpy trails and never had to re-adjust the light. The lighthead is really light and the friction from the o-ring around the handlebars holds it in place very well. I'm mounting mine so it is in front of the stem, and it's very stable.

    Haven't tried it on my helmet yet, so I can't help with that.
    Thanks for the confirmation on the movement, agoura! I hope gloworm puts out some better helmet shots soon. I'm going to need to get some lights before my first 24 hour race coming up in May!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    I was thinking/ hoping the same thing. Gloworm has been very quiet around here, no info, no beamshots etc, thought they may be tinkering the design a bit, possibly even changing to the XT E, of course, probably just wishful thinking on my part......

    Edit, just doing a bit of research on the XT E, a few comments on Candle power forums suggested the LED may be a little "floody", so not sure if that what the V2 really needs? To be honest, the design side is way over my head, so not sure what it means really. Found these lenses which has a 15 degree beam angle, size seems to be about right, any thoughts on their usefulnes in a Gloworm design, V2 or V3 or later?
    http://www.ledil.com/luopdf2.php?s=54&t=4955
    From what I gather on the DIY forums, it's an XP-E sized package. AFAICS nobody is saying it is floody compared to the XM-L.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    I was thinking/ hoping the same thing. Gloworm has been very quiet around here, no info, no beamshots etc, thought they may be tinkering the design a bit, possibly even changing to the XT E, of course, probably just wishful thinking on my part......

    Edit, just doing a bit of research on the XT E, a few comments on Candle power forums suggested the LED may be a little "floody", so not sure if that what the V2 really needs? To be honest, the design side is way over my head, so not sure what it means really. Found these lenses which has a 15 degree beam angle, size seems to be about right, any thoughts on their usefulnes in a Gloworm design, V2 or V3 or later?
    http://www.ledil.com/luopdf2.php?s=54&t=4955
    15 degrees is still considered to be wide and maybe what you have anyway.Wide Spots are around 10 degrees and a narrow spot around 6 degrees. These angles are almost impossible to make in a small optic. Small reflectors such as the Regina can do it but most are very deep and won't fit.

    Unfortunately a wide beam is the price we pay for wanting very small lights.
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    Actually, much better focus can be achieved by mounting the led on the front glass pointing back into the reflector, effectively doubling its length while at the same time more effectively controlling the angle of outgoing light. A little efficiency is lost, but this is more than made up for by the intelligent use of lumens:

    i.e. philips saferide at 400 lumens gives road visibility of a 1000 lumen unshaped light as no uncontrolled light escapes directly from the LED into the air.

    Moreover, the intelligent profiling of the light reflector means less light up close and more light further out, maintaining even lighting out to the end of the beam's throw, maximizing the rider's night vision.

    If Gloworm were to make one, it would require in-house, hand-tuned optics and up the price, tho. No off the shelf solution is available, AFAIK
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Actually, much better focus can be achieved by mounting the led on the front glass pointing back into the reflector, effectively doubling its length while at the same time more effectively controlling the angle of outgoing light. A little efficiency is lost, but this is more than made up for by the intelligent use of lumens:

    i.e. philips saferide at 400 lumens gives road visibility of a 1000 lumen unshaped light as no uncontrolled light escapes directly from the LED into the air.

    Moreover, the intelligent profiling of the light reflector means less light up close and more light further out, maintaining even lighting out to the end of the beam's throw, maximizing the rider's night vision.

    If Gloworm were to make one, it would require in-house, hand-tuned optics and up the price, tho. No off the shelf solution is available, AFAIK
    The other issue with a front mounted LED is getting the heat out. If your pulling 800 lumens out of an XM-L it could be quite challenging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    The other issue with a front mounted LED is getting the heat out. If your pulling 800 lumens out of an XM-L it could be quite challenging.
    I'm sure about 400 lumens would be more than sufficient with a dual LED setup.

    Might be better with the new SiC LEDs which can handle heat much better than their predecessors. (They are also XP size, so should also tighten up the beam).
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    Hey Everyone

    Quick update. V2 is coming along, beamshots will be very soon. Just trying to fond some time and a good location.

    At the moment we are not considering the XT-E for the X2, but it could well be an option for future models.

    I have aslo attached some pics of the light on the helmet.

    To give you an idea of the new optics, the main spot will be 17 deg with some spill. The main spot will also be much hotter than in the original optics. We have also tested the elliptical version and this has performed well. Of note the beamshots when posted will be XML T6 6000K, V2 will be XML U2 6500K (This means the LED will be brighter and slighly whiter).

    Additionally we are still toying with the idea of testing a reflector, but the small size of light eliminates the effectiveness off such a device. The V2 optics are the best comprimise between spot and flood from a small optic.

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    Thanks for the update Bruce.

    As you'll be aware it's starting to get darker earlier here in NZ, so i'm keen to get out for some night riding - Do you have an ETA when these will be available from your site?

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    Thanks much for the helmet shots Bruce. It looks awesome with such a low profile and the button toggle cord on the side! As I mentioned before, I'm shopping for my first lights here, and this looks like a winner for both the handlebars and helmet. I'm very much looking forward to the release date of v2!!!

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    Gloworm,
    Still waiting on the pre-release offer for the V2 ( for the former X2 pre-release buyers ). Is it here yet...is it here yet...is it here yet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Gloworm,
    Still waiting on the pre-release offer for the V2 ( for the former X2 pre-release buyers ). Is it here yet...is it here yet...is it here yet....
    Just out of interest, how many lights DO you own?
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    If they really have covered all the bases, like they said they have in their V2 initial review, I think that they will be at least the equals of the V1s and more probably somewhat better overall.

    To be honest, I think I'll just buy them anyway. At $50 a piece I can hardly go wrong with them, especially since they have a two year guarantee attached. They'll at least make a good backup set for $100!

    And in any case, it's always fun to review new lights. Especially when we have a similar set to compare them to already

    It should be very interesting seeing the evolution of these lights especially if a version 3, 4 or 5 is released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Just out of interest, how many lights DO you own?
    To be brief lets just say I own several light sets and an array of torches. Likely in the last 4 years I've spent at least $1500 on bike related lights. I've also been given a couple light sets to Demo and to comment on. I guess you could say I have more than I need but this is my hobby. If you hang in the forum long enough you will find I am not the only one who has a quiver of bike lights. The quest for the perfect light set is an on-going saga. It will no doubt continue as new products are introduced.

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    I went out on a couple night rides this week and used the X2 on my helmet along with my Lupine Betty on the bars. They worked well together though as expected the throw of the X2 was less than the Betty@ 22 degrees and 1750 lumens. Still the X2 throw is not bad and the spread is impressive and wider than the Betty. I think the X2 2nd version will be close to perfect with a bit more reach. The color of each light is a close match and I have no complaint on that. With both lights on full power I am putting out just about 3,000 actual lumens and it is quite impressive. The most impressive thing about the light is that I actually forgot it was on my helmet it is so light weight. I also have one of the older Wilmas that weighs about 128 grams.

    Normally I ride with a Lupine Wilma 16 degree 1,000 lumen helmet mounted which has a more narrow beam, but more reach than the x2. I like the x2 and wilma both, but ideally I would like the reach of the wilma with a wider beam too and in a light weight and low profile package like the x2. The X2 is a very nice and impressive light though and I am glad to have one. So most likely my light collection will grow more when the 2nd version of the X2 is offered. At least I will be popular with my riding buddies having extra lights to go around.

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    @ Gloworm... I'm about to buy one of your lights with the battery pack. how long will the special last on your website? When you purchase the light does it come with a spot/flood lens or do I need to purchase these to use that feature???

    Also when will you be releasing the new lite? I don't want to buy now when the new one is due at the start of next month.... If you want I can product test for free

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaupoRider View Post
    @ Gloworm... I'm about to buy one of your lights with the battery pack. how long will the special last on your website? When you purchase the light does it come with a spot/flood lens or do I need to purchase these to use that feature???

    Also when will you be releasing the new lite? I don't want to buy now when the new one is due at the start of next month.... If you want I can product test for free
    Hey Taupo!

    The special will be on for another 2 weeks and comes with the spot/flood combo.

    The new version will be available in about 2 weeks. You can buy now and get the special deal or wait and get the new light at the normal price.

    Your call!

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    Oo that's a tough one. What's the improvements over the "old" one. I can't seem to find it any where

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaupoRider View Post
    Oo that's a tough one. What's the improvements over the "old" one. I can't seem to find it any where

    Cheers

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    The optic is supposed to be a little bigger giving the lamp more of a hot spot so it has better throw. I'm not saying it won't be an improvement but "How much of an improvement" will be the big issue. If is makes stuff clearer beyond 100 ft. I will satisfied. I still haven't had a chance to ride with my current X2 on a dirt trail yet. Crossing my fingers for this weekend.

    In my case I'm very used to riding with a more narrow or confined beam pattern on the bars. The wider beam is great but it does lose some intensity at distance. Not really sure it is an issue yet though. If it doesn't rain this weekend I should be good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaupoRider View Post
    Oo that's a tough one. What's the improvements over the "old" one. I can't seem to find it any where

    Cheers

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    thanks guys, If I pre order the Version 2 will I get it for the 199$ pre order price?

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    I did another road / paved bike trail ride tonight with the X2. Once I hit the trails ( total darkness ) I got a good idea what the X2 can do. First I discovered that I needed to point it up a bit more to get better throw. ( on the road I tilt it down a bit ) . I was very impressed with the wide and long throw when riding on the dark trails. This should work real well when I finally hit the dirt trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaupoRider View Post
    thanks guys, If I pre order the Version 2 will I get it for the 199$ pre order price?
    Hey,

    Unfortunately V2 will not be at bargain basement prices.....however you can get V1 at $199 NZD until this Sunday.

    The major improvements over V1 are as follows:

    • Larger optics/Clearer optics
    • U2 XML LEDs
    • Slightly larger surface area
    • Battery monitoring has been refined
    • Nicer instructions
    • Complimentary hex tool
    • Adhesive Velcro for switch


    The light will be sent with a spot/frosted opotic combo with option of an extra spot/eliptical optic.

    With both spots there is definetly more throw and a definite hot spot, but not as much as a reflector. The frosted option creates more of a smooth beam pattern.

    At 10m the lux at the centre of the beam is 20% higher with the new optics (that is with the T6 XML...) with the U2 this is expected to be 30%.

    Overall V2 will have a tighter centre, still with some spill (due to the characteristic of an optic and the XML) and pump out about 10% more lumens (based on optic efficiency and U2 output).

    I hope this helps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post

    The light will be sent with a spot/frosted opotic combo with option of an extra spot/eliptical optic.

    With both spots there is definetly more throw and a definite hot spot, but not as much as a reflector. The frosted option creates more of a smooth beam pattern.
    Cheers

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    Hey Bruce, just for clarification, there are 2 x optcs in the light as before and they are now 1 x clear spot and 1 x frosted (wide/flood) optic?
    So the spots are clear, and the floods and/ or elipticals are frosted.

    Are there still three options spot, flood and eliptical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Hey Bruce, just for clarification, there are 2 x optcs in the light as before and they are now 1 x clear spot and 1 x frosted (wide/flood) optic?
    So the spots are clear, and the floods and/ or elipticals are frosted.

    Are there still three options spot, flood and eliptical?
    Hey

    Yes, 2 optics. One is a typical spot optic (88% efficient) the other i known as a frosted narrow optic (replaces the 'flood' as is more efficient - 86%). The 3rd option, elliptical (83% efficient), is garduated.

    Elliptical


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    Cheers Bruce. At 200 I am stretching the budget already. I will pick up one nd the current model.

    Cheers

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    Any idea when those of us that already have lights will get the pre-order deal on the new lights?..

    Thanks,
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    Has anyone done a comparison between the Gloworm 4 cell battery and the 4400 Magicshine batteries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    Any idea when those of us that already have lights will get the pre-order deal on the new lights?..

    Thanks,
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    To be more specific, If you're asking the question: "Any idea when the people who bought the X2 on preorder will get the "offered" discount on the new version ( V2 )"?... then yes I concur to that as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    To be more specific, If you're asking the question: "Any idea when the people who bought the X2 on preorder will get the "offered" discount on the new version ( V2 )"?... then yes I concur to that as well
    +1

    I'm also interested in the discounted V2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    +1

    I'm also interested in the discounted V2.
    Me too, although I would like to see some comparissons first between V1 and V2 and the much anticipated beam shots

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    I've been waiting for the beam shots comparison between the V1 and V2 too. It would be hard to pass up the discounted price when it's offered.

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    I thought the V2s were coming in March... Still on schedule?
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    I'm guessing by now that the V2 wont be out by the end of the month, seems unusually quiet compared to the launch of the V1, production issues perhaps? Hey I'm just speculaing, I'm bored!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    I'm guessing by now that the V2 wont be out by the end of the month, seems unusually quiet compared to the launch of the V1, production issues perhaps? Hey I'm just speculaing, I'm bored!
    I rather them take their time and work out all the kinks then rush the release. But a few tease beam shots compared to the V1 are most welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    I rather them take their time and work out all the kinks then rush the release. But a few tease beam shots compared to the V1 are most welcome
    By all means, get it right, not like I dont have lights, just hate waiting for new toys to come along!

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    I received my Gloworm x2 headstrap and it seems like it will do the job. The one thing I don't like about it is, it seems you have to attach the helmet mount bracket to the strap as the headstrap doesn't include a bracket of it's own. I have the helmet mount bracket on my helmet right now and I will have to detach that from the helmet and hook the headstraps through the slots on the helmet mount bracket. It will take several minutes to do this. I am spoiled by the Lupine headstrap and helmet swap which is just unhooking the o ring for the most part and is a quick swap going between helmet, headstrap, and bar too. I would like to see a quicker way to swap the lighthead between each of these mounting options. I didn't have time to mount the lighthead to the headstrap today, but I will get it done tomorrow and post those pics. For now here is just a few pics of the headstrap by itself. There is a clip on the side of the headstrap that I assume holds the remote switch in place/route wiring and also a plastic clip on the back to route the wiring towards the battery.

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    Hey Everyone,

    We'll have an update soon. Just finalising the V2's now! Very exciting.

    Maximus and others should have received their headstrap....and as stated the helmet mount must be used as headstrap mount. We understand this not ideal for some and are investigating options of producing another mount for the headstrap.

    Beam shots will be posted soon and discount codes will be sent to those original purchases.

    Update on it's way!

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    I am hoping that the special price offer still stands for the people that bought the V1 model. If so, when and how will those orders be placed? Thanks!

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    Here are some pics of the head strap with the light head attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndisgii View Post
    I am hoping that the special price offer still stands for the people that bought the V1 model. If so, when and how will those orders be placed? Thanks!
    My guess is that they will send you a notification through your e-mail. Just check your e-mail and look for anything from "Gloworm Performance Products". They will likely give you a discount code for use on their website. Also a good idea to check your spam folder when other people start getting theirs if you haven't gotten yours yet. I'm checking mine daily but I'm patient. I know it takes a while to get a new product going not to mention getting their website ready to take the orders.

    As for me, I still haven't decided if I'm going to need the upgraded version. A lot will depend on the discounted price of buying "just the light head". Of course if the price is super great no way I will turn it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    As for me, I still haven't decided if I'm going to need the upgraded version. A lot will depend on the discounted price of buying "just the light head". Of course if the price is super great no way I will turn it down.
    From memory it was a flat $50 USD for the lighthead and $100 USD for light and new battery

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    Regarding the lens selection issue, i misplaced my narrow lens that comes with the "worm", so i placed a Ledil Tina XP xp-g lens i had lying aroung....
    I looks like a significantly more focused and a bit brightier beam in the middle. However, i cannot tell if it is as efficient as the OEM lens...
    Here's the oem narrow lens:


    And here's Tina:


    Height is about 3,5 metres

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    From memory it was a flat $50 USD for the lighthead and $100 USD for light and new battery
    ...No, I think not. Nice try though.

    Just yesterday I got a nice ride in using the X2 on my road set-up. While on this ride I had a really nice two mile down-hill run that also had a lot of blind turns coupled with lots of sudden entrances. The perfect place for a high speed accident if you're not careful. Even in broad daylight I use a strobe/flash on this hill. Yesterday I took this down-hill with my X2 in the Adventure program using the strobe/flash setting. The sun was setting so even more important to "be seen". As I'm going down the hill I spot four people standing about 1500 ft. away standing on the side of the road talking. I could see one of them look up and then all four looking my way. Moments later I passed them doing about 30 mph and for some reason they all had big smiles ( women, you have to love um' ). The strobe on this menu is AWESOME. Absolutely great for being seen in low-light conditions ( and for impressing women... ).

    Later on the return trip I traveled some really dark roads. Most of the time I used the 500 lumen mode and never really felt the need for more light unless on an all-out downhill. Definitely with the lamp pointed more straight out I get much better throw.
    I guess that means I'm a happy customer. I look forward to the V2.

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    Hey Cat, it actually is as I quoted, see Vag's post from Page 19 below. Includes shipping too!

    And yeah, the strobe is awesome for low light settings, you can see it lighting up signs miles down the road, cant use it in the dark though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
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    Special for all pre sales

    As the people who have purchased this light have noticed we have put a lot of effort on creating what would be our dream light.
    Version 2 is happening because of your feedback. Thank you for this. We feel like we build this V2 together with all of you.

    I have personally been around this forum for around a year and a half and I know that if they are some who know how a perfect light should be those are the people who post here.

    We have received a great number of presales and we have thought that is is our duty to reward the ones who trusted us first and gave us feedback.

    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    Then you can have a V1 in the bars and a V2 in the helmet

    Ok, that's all with big announcements for today.

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    Hi Everyone,

    Well we have some good news. We are just finalizing Version 2.0 for sale.

    We can confirm it will be offered to our original purchases for a special price. We will email our pre-order customers early next week.

    I can say however the new light is much brighter with a hotter centre but still usable light on the periphery.

    I will sort out some beam shots this weekend.....but while you wait for those I have some sneak peaks of the light itself.

    Thanks for your patience and continued support.

    Cheers

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    Sweet Bruce, I just ordered one - hopefully mine will get down to me in Quakechurch for a night race i'm entering on Wednesday - Stupid Easter getting in the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Hey Cat, it actually is as I quoted, see Vag's post from Page 19 below. Includes shipping too!

    And yeah, the strobe is awesome for low light settings, you can see it lighting up signs miles down the road, cant use it in the dark though.
    Meow! I stand corrected! Been a while since I saw that post. Thanks TB.

    @Bruce, couldn't help but the notice the last picture has the lamp with X2 written on the back.

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    Hey Bruce, looking good!
    Is the light stil rated at 1200 lumen? You mentioned it was brighter, just wondering if that meant a higher lumen rating or just better use of available lumen? Think you also said it now uses the U2 LED which is also brighter from what i understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Meow! I stand corrected! Been a while since I saw that post. Thanks TB.

    @Bruce, couldn't help but the notice the last picture has the lamp with X2 written on the back.
    Yes......? It is the X2

    Why the comment Cat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Hey Bruce, looking good!
    Is the light stil rated at 1200 lumen? You mentioned it was brighter, just wondering if that meant a higher lumen rating or just better use of available lumen? Think you also said it now uses the U2 LED which is also brighter from what i understand
    It makes better use of the available lumens in addition to being brighter as a result of the U2 LEDs. Overall it is about 1300 lumens. Brighter centre not as bright and obtrusive on the outside of the beam but still usable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    It makes better use of the available lumens in addition to being brighter as a result of the U2 LEDs. Overall it is about 1300 lumens. Brighter centre not as bright and obtrusive on the outside of the beam but still usable
    Thanks!
    Is that with the standard spot/ flood setting, or spot/ spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Thanks!
    Is that with the standard spot/ flood setting, or spot/ spot?
    Thats with the spot/flood combo
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    I'm quite excited for the V2. Weather hasn't been warm enough here for night rides here in Toronto, Canada, but I should be fully ready when the second version is fully ready.

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    I could have sworn I attached pictures to my two previous posts, but I don't see any pictures attached now. I must have messed up somehow as I was trying to do it from my android tablet and not my laptop. Well hopefully these pics show up now.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Introducing Gloworm X2 - New Dual XM-L LED light system-headstrap7.jpg  

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    Thanks Gloworm for the update on the new version of the X2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Yes......? It is the X2

    Why the comment Cat?
    Somehow I thought it would be called V2. ....I guess that means the logo stays the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    I could have sworn I attached pictures to my two previous posts, but I don't see any pictures attached now. I must have messed up somehow as I was trying to do it from my android tablet and not my laptop. Well hopefully these pics show up now.
    Yep, they were there, gone now for some reason.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Yep, they were there, gone now for some reason.......
    Thanks, at least I know I didn't hallucinate the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    Thanks, at least I know I didn't hallucinate the whole thing.
    No, you didn't hallucinate. Sunday night the MTBR website crashed. It didn't come back up for more than 19 hrs. During that time I think a lot of stuff was lost. I just noticed earlier today that almost all of my saved PM's are missing ( more than 4 years of contacts )..

    I have no idea if they can be recovered but I sent an email off to the website administrator.
    .......I'll not be holding my breath though waiting to get anything back.

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    Cool light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantitoeroad View Post
    Cool light.
    XQZ me???

    I suppose this is one way to make up your minimum of 10 posts...
    Click the thumbs up button if you have a thumb...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander View Post
    Regarding the lens selection issue, i misplaced my narrow lens that comes with the "worm", so i placed a Ledil Tina XP xp-g lens i had lying aroung....
    I looks like a significantly more focused and a bit brightier beam in the middle. However, i cannot tell if it is as efficient as the OEM lens...
    Here's the oem narrow lens:


    And here's Tina:


    Height is about 3,5 metres
    Looks a lot brighter in the beamshot. Have you tried it outside yet?

    Is it a double Tina or did you replace one or both optics. Also, was the first pic the spot-spot combo or standard spot-flood.

    I'd like to replce my spot-spot optic with something tighter if possible. A few millimetres bigger at this scale would make a noticeable difference. I presume the "Tina" doesn't use the little plastic holders that come with the optics.

    Finlly, where did u get the "Tina" from in the first place and how much was it?
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