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    Hey guys, just curious, I dont ride MTB really at all, certainly not at night so i may be missing something very obvious, but why are you disasembling lights and mounts while you are out riding? Is it swapping from bar to helmet mount, i imagine that would be sorted before you go

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    I do have an issue that I need to share with everyone though. The extension cable is faulty.
    Unfortunately, its just the nature of the beast with these extensions. There will be a certain percentage of bad ones. Out of the 100+ extensions that I've tested, there's been at least 5 or 6 bad ones. Before I use these things I always do a "pull/bend" test on each end of the cable while it's carrying around 1amp of current and verify its condition. If you need a guaranteed good one, just PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    Unfortunately, its just the nature of the beast with these extensions. There will be a certain percentage of bad ones. Out of the 100+ extensions that I've tested, there's been at least 5 or 6 bad ones. Before I use these things I always do a "pull/bend" test on each end of the cable while it's carrying around 1amp of current and verify its condition. If you need a guaranteed good one, just PM me.
    Thanks Peth, an interesting story so I thought I'd add one of my own.

    Some years ago I bought a nice lamp from an upstart Aussie DIY'er who called his company HIDtech. Long story short; his lamps were assembled using connectors that unfortunately quickly developed a propensity for broken internal wires. I think I used mine a couple weeks before the problem happened. The owner very quickly replaced the whole battery and sent me a replacement wire/plug as well. He later told me that I wasn't the only one with the problem and that he had done a product recall. He told me the problem was that he had used cheap wire/connectors that came out of China. Sadly, I believe this problem ended up putting him out of business because shortly afterward he stopped selling bike lights.

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    @Gloworm
    Hey Bruce, do you know the size of the second small o-ring?
    If I'm going to go out and buy a #105, i may as well pick up the other one as well if I can find them in a silicon version.

    TB

    PS: i got my tracking number on Saturday, thanks, but it doesnt seem to be showing up in any systems yet, should it be?

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    A couple pics of the Gloworm X2 next to some other lights just for comparison in size and shape. Lupine Wilma and Betty, Cygolite Halogen 20 watt + 10 watt dual, Vistalite 15 watt halogen, 2 NR HIDs.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Introducing Gloworm X2 - New Dual XM-L LED light system-1small.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    A couple pics of the Gloworm X2 next to some other lights just for comparison in size and shape. Lupine Wilma and Betty, Cygolite Halogen 20 watt + 10 watt dual, Vistalite 15 watt halogen, 2 NR HIDs.
    Nice pics MaximusHQ! Would love to see how it looks mounted on a helmet.
    Again, suggestions from anyone regarding a good helmet light are appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzFest View Post
    Again, suggestions from anyone regarding a good helmet light are appreciated.
    What about ay ups? I'm guessing your from Australia. Light battery and light head, good battery life and a good spot. I think they're about $260 for 1 light, so pretty pricey though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzFest View Post
    Nice pics MaximusHQ! Would love to see how it looks mounted on a helmet.
    Again, suggestions from anyone regarding a good helmet light are appreciated.
    Helmet mounted pics on page 3 here.... Introducing Gloworm X2 - New Dual XM-L LED light system

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    @Gloworm: I have now lost in total three o-rings. The two that came with my lights and another I "borrowed" from my Magicshine.

    Please please please make the o-rings captive, so they don't fall off when I put the lights in my pocket.

    It's a small thing but it's very annoying after coming from Magicshine with O-rings firmly connected to the body of the light.

    Also if you lose your O ring when you're out in the field your light is totally useless unless you want to hand hold it all the way home.

    Also, do you think you could source some O-rings with a tab on them? There're a bugger to get off at 1°C with thick gloves on.
    Just in case, you can always have with you some tie-wraps , long enough to make a loop to replace temporarily the missed O-ring ...
    I always carry some tie-wraps in different sizes , just in case I 'll have to fix something ...
    Also , you can cut "O-rings" from a torn or useless tube , from those you cannot anymore repair with patches ...

    When I am riding , trekking, walking, (and all those ... "kings" )
    I carry with me tools, spare stuff , food etc to prevent ..."total failure" in the middle of nowhere ...
    But , just because "**** happens" , just try to provide whatever you CAN carry and not exaggerate ...
    A small kit of repair stuff is precious in the field, even for our friends ,because a failure in their bike/ equipment , could ruin an - otherwise - nice ride of ours too ...

    I am - so far- happy with my X-2 and I think I 'l keep it this way !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    Yes, that was the very same lame reply from gloworm themselves in the german Lupine forum, BTW an astoningly fast reply within hours on the same question if the X2 was not just a Piko clone. Did not know they monitor foreign language forums so close ...

    Nevertheless, if it was so, how comes that 2 other competitors, with the very same layout 2 XML leds, the Inton NB-04 2200LM as well as the magicshine MJ-880, look so different? According to your credo then also these ones "forcedly" should have received the same look.
    Well the Inton NB04 is approximately 3 times the weight and 5 times the volume of the Gloworm X2 and really only suitable for bar mount so not a very good example.

    You've laboured your comparison with the Piko - the Piko has 50% less output, almost no cooling fins, no remote switch, a different mount. It has a passing similarity in shape but that's it. Let be honest if you want a very small twin XM-L package it's going to have 2 optics and be shaped to fit them. Get over yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckesinis View Post
    Just in case, you can always have with you some tie-wraps , long enough to make a loop to replace temporarily the missed O-ring ...
    I always carry some tie-wraps in different sizes , just in case I 'll have to fix something ...
    Also , you can cut "O-rings" from a torn or useless tube , from those you cannot anymore repair with patches ...

    When I am riding , trekking, walking, (and all those ... "kings" )
    I carry with me tools, spare stuff , food etc to prevent ..."total failure" in the middle of nowhere ...
    But , just because "**** happens" , just try to provide whatever you CAN carry and not exaggerate ...
    A small kit of repair stuff is precious in the field, even for our friends ,because a failure in their bike/ equipment , could ruin an - otherwise - nice ride of ours too ...

    I am - so far- happy with my X-2 and I think I 'l keep it this way !!!
    Plus bring a lot of duct tape as well. You never know when you might need to use that




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    Missing Lenses

    Seems to be a trend here. I did not receive any of my extra lenses either. I should have had the free extra Flood and a paid for Eliptical. Order number #11245 - Kevin in Virginia. Other than that, it looks very nice. Cant wait to try it out :-)

    PS - What is the warranty on these?

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    Ndisil, the warranty is 2 years for light head and 180 days for battery according to a post here from gloworm. Should be post 278 on this thread.

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    @maximus
    So, how does the X2 compare against some of those other lights you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
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    So, how does the X2 compare against some of those other lights you have?
    I hope to test that out this weekend against my Betty and Wilma at least . The one thing I can say now as that this is much smaller and lighter than them. Initial guess is that the betty has quite a bit more range, and the wilma may have too while the x2 has a wider beam. I like the range of the wilma on the helmet so I am hoping that the x2 can come close to that for helmet use. The X2 is silly small and its hard to believe it pumps out so much light. I can't imagine the weight of the x2 on the helmet will even be noticed.

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    Finally!....FedEx man must have been in good mood and left it at my door.

    Quicky review: Everything seems to work. The wire to the remote is more than long enough so no worries there. It took me a couple minutes to figure out how to work the menu choices but once learned they are super easy to change.

    I was pleasantly pleased to discover that when using a menu that includes a flash or strobe ( known as a special mode ) YOU WON'T HAVE TO CYCLE THROUGH THAT MODE EXCEPT TO TURN OFF. That is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!! This means you can just cycle through the steady modes and if you want the strobe you just press and hold and "There it is", flash, strobe or low dim ( depending on which menu ) is instantly at your command. Super Kudo's on such a well thought out menu interface.

    I did do a quick inside-the- house comparison using the X2 standard optic setup ( one spot / one flood ) vs. my Bikeray IV. Very nice output from the X2. The Bikeray IV looks a bit brighter though. Of course one must remember the BR IV is using a 15° optic, the X2 a combo spot/flood. The X2 with this setup is producing a very nice uniform beam. It is completely even with not even a tinge of a spot that I could tell. I took the light outside to try to get a better idea of what it can do but unfortunately there is too much ambient light from the surrounding buildings ( not to mention a crystal clear Full Moon! ) to get an accurate representation of the beam pattern. Still, I liked what I saw. Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to get out to a darker spot to do some more comparisons. Right now the full moon is working against me.

    I still have yet to change out to a Spot/Spot optic set-up.

    ( * Quicky side note: One of my defunk XPG mini-torches has a reflector that looks like it just might fit the X2 housing. I won't know for sure though until I remove one of the optics. If it's a bit too long I might be able to dremel off some of the reflector. We'll see. The emitter hole looks big enough at first glance but once again I won't know till I try it. ) The bigger issue though would be ( even if it fits ) are there any major artifacts produced? I'll just have to wait and see. )

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    Just received mine today as well, intending to use it on the helmet with spot/spot lenses, even mounted very far forward can barely notice the weight. The remote is a great feature so much easier than having to find the button on the back of the light when its on ur head, i think i would prefer if the button had loops for a Velcro strap rather than just a velcro strip on the back.

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    I've been playing with the optics on my X2's.

    I swapped over a spot optic from one light to the other to try spot/spot. I was surprised at what a noticeable difference it made. It added a fair bit more throw and focussed the beam but still has a big hotspot of light. Perfect for helmet use I'd say.

    Overall thoughts -
    Amazing output for such a compact light package.
    Well thought out programme system.
    Great value compared to the other branded lights on the market.
    Seems nicely machined and good quality.
    Great attention to detail.

    There have been a few niggles mentioned on here but none significantly detract from the light and are to be expected with any new product.
    A non-captive O-ring isn't a problem for me - I pop it in my pocket when I remove the light. I actually find it easier to take on and off as it it.
    It sounds like the change of O-ring on the mount to a #105 has solved that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Plus bring a lot of duct tape as well. You never know when you might need to use that




    Of course, if I post here (off topic) what I am carrying in my camelback , you 'll all laugh !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    Ndisil, the warranty is 2 years for light head and 180 days for battery according to a post here from gloworm. Should be post 278 on this thread.
    Cool thanks!

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    Problem Consensus?

    OK I just received my light! This thing is stupid bright for the size. I am really impressed.

    It appears there's a list of issues to worry about though. Looking back through this thread the one I was most concerned about was the QC/thermal paste comment by Vag. What is the issue? I didn't see a description of how that was identified.

    I did leave mine on for a while and it was getting really hot (not moving). I also have the 80% battery gauge problem.

    Otherwise looks fantastic. And I'm off to get an o-ring #105....

    thanks!

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    Mine arrived yesterday!

    A day ahead of the predicted arrival date, which was very nice because it let me get out on the trails last night before today's rain.

    As others have noted, it's a very nice looking kit, nicely designed and constructed. Having heard several comments now about how small the light is, I was prepared, but...MAN it is small! I was expecting something more like the size of my Gemini Xera, but it's quite a bit smaller in diameter.

    The battery charged just fine. The light indicated 100% charge, so no problem there. I'm using this as a handlebar light. It mounted easily, and I really like how the lighthead can be centered in front of the stem, leaving room on the top of the stem for my Garmin Edge. Took me a minute to figure out how to set up the mount - it really helps to read the instructions, they are clear but sometimes it's hard to slow down and actually read them! Mounted the battery, plugged in the extension cord (no problem there, either), and off I went!

    For such a small size, it's amazing how much light the X2 puts out. But as GraXXor has noted, it is spread quite wide. It worked well as a bar light, but I could have used a bit more focus and throw, so I'm going to swap the flood optic for the spot and go spot-spot for the next ride. (Really nice that an extra optic was included for free to make this possible, though they are cheap to buy.)

    I actually expected the light to be a bit brighter. I thought it would dominate my Xera on my helmet since the Xera is nominally 800 lumens, and it did look a lot brighter in my garage, but on the trail they seemed about the same brightness. The Xera isn't a tight spot, either. Perhaps the X2 will seem brighter with the spot-spot combination. In any case, the combination of X2 on the bars and Xera on the helmet was great! The X2 really covered the trail well, and the Xera gave extra illumination as needed, especially around corners. On steep, rutted singletrack I wasn't as fast as during the day, but I could go plenty fast on fire road descents.

    The battery life seemed very good. I did a one-hour ride and the battery indicator was on 80% at the end. I rode on high or boost on the flats and downhill and mostly on low on the climbs (probably 30 minutes).

    My main issues so far: (1) The remote is very nice, but with the enclosed velcro strip the remote slides around. It's actually hard to hit the button easily because the remote tends to move away as you do so. As suggested somewhere in this thread, a velcro disk with adhesive backing would be a good solution, although I'd rather have something I could easily remove when I take the light off. Some sort of rubberized strip might be better. (2) There is not much difference between the light output at high and boost in the trail program mode. You can see a little bit of brightening, the light gets whiter, but it really is surprising how little difference in coverage is apparent. This is supposed to be the difference between 900 lumens and 1200 lumens, which should be big! Instead, they both seem comparable to my Xera. It doesn't look like 1200 lumens to me compared to the Xera - but these are my first lights so I don't really have a good standard of comparison. I do notice that the branches up high were well lit, so it could be that a change in the optics will make it seem brighter (as graXXor again has noted, in swapping in eliptical optics to get more usable light on the ground). Regardless, the amount of light was very usable and it lit up the trail very well, so I'm happy with the combination.

    Except for the boost not being as bright as I expected, the light sequence program is nicely thought out. The low was good for general riding and especially climbing. It's easy to get to the "special" mode of dim (100 lumens) when desired, but usually you are just cycling between the normal modes. I haven't switched between programs yet, but that looks easy.

    I still have a couple of things to sort out. I am not sure the best place to mount the battery - I put it in a water bottle cage, which is fine but maybe not the best. This has nothing to do with this light, of course, just me figuring out what to do with the battery. I did want to be able to see the battery display, though, which made some of the places I thought about not suitable. I haven't gotten an extra o-ring or checked for excess thermal paste or anything like that. I may find something when I swap out the flood optic, but the workmanship seems top-notch!

    All in all, I'm very pleased with the light. I think it is by far the best value out there! It's a great design, really lightweight and small for the amount of light, and a good price. The combo with the Xera as a helmet light worked really well, everything I was hoping for. I had a blast out there last night, and can't wait to use it again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljracer View Post
    OK I just received my light! This thing is stupid bright for the size. I am really impressed.

    It appears there's a list of issues to worry about though. Looking back through this thread the one I was most concerned about was the QC/thermal paste comment by Vag. What is the issue? I didn't see a description of how that was identified.

    I did leave mine on for a while and it was getting really hot (not moving). I also have the 80% battery gauge problem.

    Otherwise looks fantastic. And I'm off to get an o-ring #105....

    thanks!
    I think it was GraXXor that had an issue when trying to change the optics in his lights. The thermal paste had kinda glued the optic in place and there was a solder blob that was getting in the way of the optic seating correctly when replacing it. Not really a super major issue.

    Any of these type of light will get hot when standing still (and switched to high). They really need airflow to keep them cool and stop them decreasing output to stop damage.

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    Lights showed up on Monday and had just enough time to get a full charge on them for the after work ride. I like - size - output - remote all good so far. I'm another that didn't get my extra lens either. I was only out a couple hours but so far these are my go to light

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    I received my X2. The small package is nice. The remote is a plus now that the light head adjustment will not get knocked out of place as compare to other lightheaded that has the On/off switch on the light. The programming selection is easy to figure out. No problem swapping lens to make it spot/spot.

    Intitial power up indoor got me skeptical of the claim 1200 lumens. It was slightly brighter than my Gen2 Xera and almost identical to my BR IV. First thing I notice when compare side by side with the Xera and BR IV was the tint. The X2 had more green tint while the BR IV and Xera is white. It may be the tint that make my eyes perceive the brightness less. So then I decided to get out my light meter and did some lux test. My room is small so the overall lux reading is slightly higher than MTBR value. However it is all relative reading in term of each light unit I tested. Here are the values:

    X2 IN BOOST: 129
    XERA HIGH: 85
    BR IV HIGH: 98
    TITAN P7 : 55
    MS 808 P7: 46
    MS XML: 75

    It seem the X2 does produce the claim lumens. The beam is more of a flood even with the spot/spot lens. Personally I also prefer a more white tint since I do more road than trail, but this tint probably works better on trail than road. I also wish an Allen wrench was included with the light. Not that I don't have one, but I'm sure someone else may not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    I received my X2. The small package is nice. The remote is a plus now that the light head adjustment will not get knocked out of place as compare to other lightheaded that has the On/off switch on the light. The programming selection is easy to figure out. No problem swapping lens to make it spot/spot.

    Intitial power up indoor got me skeptical of the claim 1200 lumens. It was slightly brighter than my Gen2 Xera and almost identical to my BR IV. First thing I notice when compare side by side with the Xera and BR IV was the tint. The X2 had more green tint while the BR IV and Xera is white. It may be the tint that make my eyes perceive the brightness less. So then I decided to get out my light meter and did some lux test. My room is small so the overall lux reading is slightly higher than MTBR value. However it is all relative reading in term of each light unit I tested. Here are the values:

    X2 IN BOOST: 129
    XERA HIGH: 85
    BR IV HIGH: 98
    TITAN P7 : 55
    MS 808 P7: 46
    MS XML: 75

    It seem the X2 does produce the claim lumens. The beam is more of a flood even with the spot/spot lens. Personally I also prefer a more white tint since I do more road than trail, but this tint probably works better on trail than road. I also wish an Allen wrench was included with the light. Not that I don't have one, but I'm sure someone else may not.
    Hey,

    Well its great to hear all the feedback.

    Just to confirm, we will be including a hex tool with the next production run - quite possibly in Gloworm green!

    Also, as stated previously we will also plan to include adhesive velrco spots in the future.

    Lastly, a big apology for the optics not being shipped as planned - well not to everyone. We'll get those sorted and out to you...asap.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoura_biker View Post
    ....For such a small size, it's amazing how much light the X2 puts out. But as GraXXor has noted, it is spread quite wide. It worked well as a bar light, but I could have used a bit more focus and throw, so I'm going to swap the flood optic for the spot and go spot-spot for the next ride. (Really nice that an extra optic was included for free to make this possible, though they are cheap to buy.)

    I actually expected the light to be a bit brighter. I thought it would dominate my Xera on my helmet since the Xera is nominally 800 lumens, and it did look a lot brighter in my garage, but on the trail they seemed about the same brightness. The Xera isn't a tight spot, either. Perhaps the X2 will seem brighter with the spot-spot combination.
    I took my X2 with me to work today to try out when I got a break. After trying it out in a couple spots I have to admit that I was not happy. I was expecting it to be brighter and my Bikeray IV was just over all brighter. The problem it seems is with the flood optic. It spreads the light out so much that the throw and beam intensity suffer terribly. Fine if you just want to point the light down and shine a big spot in front of you however that is not what I wanted. I was afraid that I might have to return it because it just wasn't measuring up to my expectations... ( with the spot/flood optic ).

    When I got home tonight I popped the flood optic out and put the other spot optic in. ( Yes, having the right hex wrench helps.. ) There are some problems putting in the optic. The wires along the bottom of the board are causing the optic not to seat properly. I suppose with a Dremel tool or file you could make a notch in the optic holder and then it would seat properly. Still I got it to sit fairly well and all went back together fairly easily. I'd feel better about it though if i knew the optics were completely seated.

    The result of changing the optics to spot/spot vastly improved the over-all intensity of the output, not to mention the throw and made the over-all beam pattern much more usable. I have yet to give it a good test though but I did go outside behind where I live where there are some dirt trails ( yes, at 3:30AM and 32°F ) just so
    I could see the difference. It is SOOOOOOO much better. ( Whew! ) Looks like I'll keep it ...at least for now.

    From what I could tell ( with the spot optics ) the beam pattern comes out almost squarish. Yes, I know that sounds strange but it looks fine when in use. It is a more confined beam and appears to clearly throw ~ *100 ft. ( *Maybe more, the trail I was on took a sharp turn but boy was the trail nice and bright. )

    Once again, all this is just "first impression ramblings". The real tests will come when I do beam shots against some of my other lights. Unfortunately it is suppose to snow where I live tomorrow. That is a super bummer. I'm hopeful that maybe I might get to ride with it Saturday. Looks like I'll just have to wait and see.

    ( *Side Note on the reflector I mentioned before: It almost fit. There are some threads on the lower part that need to be filed down. Other than that it fits perfectly...I think. Now the question is , "Is the emitter centered"?...If not it won't work. I'll just have to buy some files and cross my fingers. : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I'll just have to buy some files and cross my fingers. :[/I] )
    Try out the X(2)-Files, they' l do the job better !!

    It's a nice light though, I think !
    For road riding it lights up dark streets and scenery very well .
    When in the drt roads os singletracks , you definitely need a spot light in the helmet to anticipate the shadows of the bar light(s) and to lit where your head turns , it 's also very helpful in repairs... when it gets dark ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljracer View Post
    OK I just received my light! This thing is stupid bright for the size. I am really impressed.

    It appears there's a list of issues to worry about though. Looking back through this thread the one I was most concerned about was the QC/thermal paste comment by Vag. What is the issue? I didn't see a description of how that was identified.

    I did leave mine on for a while and it was getting really hot (not moving). I also have the 80% battery gauge problem.

    Otherwise looks fantastic. And I'm off to get an o-ring #105....

    thanks!
    As tb123 said, I just found the thermal paste all over the place when I opened the front cover to replace the optics. It effectively acted like glue, holding the optics in place. Still, nothing one of those little cotton wool balls on the end of a little stick, coated in alcohol couldn't sort out.

    The solder blob was a little more annoying since they (quite rightly) appear to be using high temperature solder. In the end, I took a knife to it to reduce the volume then used my soldering gun to flatten it.

    I would like to say that in both lights, the solder was a very shiny and smooth globe, consistent with a clean solder joint, unlike the hideous grey monstrosities one used to find inside Magicshine 808s. It was just a little large, that's all.

    In the case of the elliptical lens (which cannot be rotated for obvious reasons) I had to hollow out a dent in the back of the plastic optics holder to accommodate the blob though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neninja View Post
    I've been playing with the optics on my X2's.

    I swapped over a spot optic from one light to the other to try spot/spot. I was surprised at what a noticeable difference it made. It added a fair bit more throw and focussed the beam but still has a big hotspot of light. Perfect for helmet use I'd say.

    Overall thoughts -
    Amazing output for such a compact light package.
    Well thought out programme system.
    Great value compared to the other branded lights on the market.
    Seems nicely machined and good quality.
    Great attention to detail.

    There have been a few niggles mentioned on here but none significantly detract from the light and are to be expected with any new product.
    A non-captive O-ring isn't a problem for me - I pop it in my pocket when I remove the light. I actually find it easier to take on and off as it it.
    It sounds like the change of O-ring on the mount to a #105 has solved that issue.
    I agree on all the points. However, for me a captive o-loop is a must. every time I park my bike somewhere I have to remove the lights. Since it is often 1 or 2 degrees C out there and my fingers are often frozen numb, or at least sluggish, I hate it when one of the hoops plings off into a bush in the middle of the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoura_biker View Post
    A day ahead of the predicted arrival date, which was very nice because it let me get out on the trails last night before today's rain.

    For such a small size, it's amazing how much light the X2 puts out. But as GraXXor has noted, it is spread quite wide. It worked well as a bar light, but I could have used a bit more focus and throw, so I'm going to swap the flood optic for the spot and go spot-spot for the next ride. (Really nice that an extra optic was included for free to make this possible, though they are cheap to buy.)

    I actually expected the light to be a bit brighter. I thought it would dominate my Xera on my helmet since the Xera is nominally 800 lumens, and it did look a lot brighter in my garage, but on the trail they seemed about the same brightness. The Xera isn't a tight spot, either. Perhaps the X2 will seem brighter with the spot-spot combination. In any case, the combination of X2 on the bars and Xera on the helmet was great! The X2 really covered the trail well, and the Xera gave extra illumination as needed, especially around corners. On steep, rutted singletrack I wasn't as fast as during the day, but I could go plenty fast on fire road descents.

    The battery life seemed very good. I did a one-hour ride and the battery indicator was on 80% at the end. I rode on high or boost on the flats and downhill and mostly on low on the climbs (probably 30 minutes).

    My main issues so far: (1) The remote is very nice, but with the enclosed velcro strip the remote slides around. It's actually hard to hit the button easily because the remote tends to move away as you do so. As suggested somewhere in this thread, a velcro disk with adhesive backing would be a good solution, although I'd rather have something I could easily remove when I take the light off. Some sort of rubberized strip might be better. (2) There is not much difference between the light output at high and boost in the trail program mode. You can see a little bit of brightening, the light gets whiter, but it really is surprising how little difference in coverage is apparent. This is supposed to be the difference between 900 lumens and 1200 lumens, which should be big! Instead, they both seem comparable to my Xera. It doesn't look like 1200 lumens to me compared to the Xera - but these are my first lights so I don't really have a good standard of comparison. I do notice that the branches up high were well lit, so it could be that a change in the optics will make it seem brighter (as graXXor again has noted, in swapping in eliptical optics to get more usable light on the ground). Regardless, the amount of light was very usable and it lit up the trail very well, so I'm happy with the combination.

    Except for the boost not being as bright as I expected, the light sequence program is nicely thought out. The low was good for general riding and especially climbing. It's easy to get to the "special" mode of dim (100 lumens) when desired, but usually you are just cycling between the normal modes. I haven't switched between programs yet, but that looks easy.

    All in all, I'm very pleased with the light. I think it is by far the best value out there! It's a great design, really lightweight and small for the amount of light, and a good price. The combo with the Xera as a helmet light worked really well, everything I was hoping for. I had a blast out there last night, and can't wait to use it again!
    Great summary and I think your experiences match mine.

    It's bloody small and bloody bright! No, seriously! It's weapon grade and as you said, in a confined space, which acts like an integrating sphere to some extent, you really feel the light. This will make it great for tight spaces and indeed it works in the tight confines of Japanese backstreets which I often use it on.

    However it's not "bright" in the sense of flux density. Put it on the open road and you really wish there were some decent optics for it.

    But if you've seen my beamshots, you'll see that the spot^2 setup is a touch more punchy.

    Beamshots

    I, too, love the programme. They are to all intents and purposes perfect. After one day, it was second nature and I have two on the bars to think about! One on Trail Mode with the 100 lm special.... Great for parking, waiting at zebra crossings and cycling through crowds of people. The other is set to Commuter Mode, so the special flash and super wide flood is SPECTACULAR. On Tokyo's insane, multi level junctions with flyovers, underpasses and multi lanes, the floody 700lm flasher is pure heaven and lights up the lanes waiting to descend to ground level, the sheer right-angle traffic threatening to barge in and of course, those oncomers, just waiting to cut you off on a right handed turn (we drive on the left, here).

    Yes, I never use the boost mode (except in the beamshots) because of the only marginal increase it gives over the regular "high" modes, but if the run times are that much different between the two, then it just shows the law of diminishing returns one can expect from an XM-L, which are known to favour low currents.

    In that sense, I think High is the best compromise.

    The velcro needs to be rethought. The button slides around under my thumb. very annoying. Sticky velcro needed... must go shopping. I can't see it lasting long with my usage patterns... 3 times on and off a day... hmmm

    Most of all, they are such fun to use. There is something about these little, unassuming lights, just sitting there waiting to be turned on... and then BLAM! Wall of light! Here's waiting for some Action LED super-spot or aspherical optics or Arc( is that his name?) over on the DIY forums.
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    Sorry for the serial postings, but this thread is on fire!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Finally!....FedEx man must have been in good mood and left it at my door.

    Quicky review: Everything seems to work. The wire to the remote is more than long enough so no worries there. It took me a couple minutes to figure out how to work the menu choices but once learned they are super easy to change.

    I was pleasantly pleased to discover that when using a menu that includes a flash or strobe ( known as a special mode ) YOU WON'T HAVE TO CYCLE THROUGH THAT MODE EXCEPT TO TURN OFF. That is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!! This means you can just cycle through the steady modes and if you want the strobe you just press and hold and "There it is", flash, strobe or low dim ( depending on which menu ) is instantly at your command. Super Kudo's on such a well thought out menu interface.

    I did do a quick inside-the- house comparison using the X2 standard optic setup ( one spot / one flood ) vs. my Bikeray IV. Very nice output from the X2. The Bikeray IV looks a bit brighter though. Of course one must remember the BR IV is using a 15° optic, the X2 a combo spot/flood. The X2 with this setup is producing a very nice uniform beam. It is completely even with not even a tinge of a spot that I could tell. I took the light outside to try to get a better idea of what it can do but unfortunately there is too much ambient light from the surrounding buildings ( not to mention a crystal clear Full Moon! ) to get an accurate representation of the beam pattern. Still, I liked what I saw. Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to get out to a darker spot to do some more comparisons. Right now the full moon is working against me.

    I still have yet to change out to a Spot/Spot optic set-up.

    ( * Quicky side note: One of my defunk XPG mini-torches has a reflector that looks like it just might fit the X2 housing. I won't know for sure though until I remove one of the optics. If it's a bit too long I might be able to dremel off some of the reflector. We'll see. The emitter hole looks big enough at first glance but once again I won't know till I try it. ) The bigger issue though would be ( even if it fits ) are there any major artifacts produced? I'll just have to wait and see. )
    Great insight, thanks for taking the effort to write it up... What with the sheer number of lights you have and all...

    The programming is awesome, and it would be infuriating to return to a multimode Magicshine with our favourite "flash-of-death" and "Vim Dieselesqu Pitch-Black" modes mixed in to the regular rotation.

    The smoothness of the beam can probably be put down to the lack of focus: big die and small, shallow optic. But yes, it's triple-blade smooth.

    If you do decide to give it a go with a reflector, I'd love to know how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    I received my X2. The small package is nice. The remote is a plus now that the light head adjustment will not get knocked out of place as compare to other lightheaded that has the On/off switch on the light. The programming selection is easy to figure out. No problem swapping lens to make it spot/spot.

    Intitial power up indoor got me skeptical of the claim 1200 lumens. It was slightly brighter than my Gen2 Xera and almost identical to my BR IV. First thing I notice when compare side by side with the Xera and BR IV was the tint. The X2 had more green tint while the BR IV and Xera is white. It may be the tint that make my eyes perceive the brightness less. So then I decided to get out my light meter and did some lux test. My room is small so the overall lux reading is slightly higher than MTBR value. However it is all relative reading in term of each light unit I tested. Here are the values:

    X2 IN BOOST: 129
    XERA HIGH: 85
    BR IV HIGH: 98
    TITAN P7 : 55
    MS 808 P7: 46
    MS XML: 75

    It seem the X2 does produce the claim lumens. The beam is more of a flood even with the spot/spot lens. Personally I also prefer a more white tint since I do more road than trail, but this tint probably works better on trail than road. I also wish an Allen wrench was included with the light. Not that I don't have one, but I'm sure someone else may not.
    Numbers.... Cool...

    I guess that just about nails it. The X2 is a lumen beast.

    Thanks for the quantitative exam. it's almost 50% brighter than the Xera!

    Yes, the green tint is really apparent for the first few minutes on the road and in the (expanding) areas in Japan which use LED street lighting, having discarded Sodium, Mercury and flourescent lights after the earthquake put the pinch on our electricity supplies.

    Still, once out on the open road and in the dark, where the light is actually needed, I find my eyes get used to the tint.

    But why IS it green though? That was my thought... Is it something to do with the binning?

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    Last post tonight... I promise.

    I just updated a couple of beamshots.

    These are not scientific, just to give an impression.

    Note the Carpark shots are particularly illuminating, so to speak and turned out exactly as I remember the scene being lit and show the massive amount of light these things give out...

    The whole carpark (about 30 cars can park there) became daylight with a couple of these on the bars! yay.

    Note that I use spot^2 and elliptical^2 dual X2 (X2^2) setup.

    Beamshots

    Note.... I have no financial or other connection with Gloworm Other than having paid a very reasonable amount for a pair of their awesome 1.0 lights. heheh!

    Let's just see how long they last with daily repeated use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    it's almost 50% brighter than the Xera!
    With two emitters to the Xera's single, it should be

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Numbers.... Cool...

    I guess that just about nails it. The X2 is a lumen beast.

    Thanks for the quantitative exam. it's almost 50% brighter than the Xera!

    Yes, the green tint is really apparent for the first few minutes on the road and in the (expanding) areas in Japan which use LED street lighting, having discarded Sodium, Mercury and flourescent lights after the earthquake put the pinch on our electricity supplies.

    Still, once out on the open road and in the dark, where the light is actually needed, I find my eyes get used to the tint.

    But why IS it green though? That was my thought... Is it something to do with the binning?
    Those lux value can be a little deceiving. Although the X2 has almost 50% more lux, the punch and the clear white tint from the Xera cannot be overshadow by the X2 in certain situation.

    This morning, I ran the X2 with spot/spot and a Xera with Optics on my helmet. It was odd running both lights on high mode. When I look down, I see a flood of lights with a hint of green tint, bit when I look up at the distant, I see the white and almost bluish tiny from the Xera. That pretty much tells me the Xera is doing a better throw even with the Reflector optics. On the other hand, the higher output of the X2 can overshadow the Xera at close range. I notice that at far range, the flood of the X2 does not make my eyes adjust and allow a larger reflector setup like the Xera to still ne useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    Intitial power up indoor got me skeptical of the claim 1200 lumens. It was slightly brighter than my Gen2 Xera and almost identical to my BR IV. First thing I notice when compare side by side with the Xera and BR IV was the tint. The X2 had more green tint while the BR IV and Xera is white. It may be the tint that make my eyes perceive the brightness less. So then I decided to get out my light meter and did some lux test. My room is small so the overall lux reading is slightly higher than MTBR value. However it is all relative reading in term of each light unit I tested. Here are the values:

    X2 IN BOOST: 129
    XERA HIGH: 85
    BR IV HIGH: 98
    TITAN P7 : 55
    MS 808 P7: 46
    MS XML: 75

    It seem the X2 does produce the claim lumens. The beam is more of a flood even with the spot/spot lens.
    Great to see these numbers! Thanks! So interesting that the perceived light doesn't really match the measured output, but that must be because of the beam spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey,

    Well its great to hear all the feedback.

    Just to confirm, we will be including a hex tool with the next production run - quite possibly in Gloworm green!

    Also, as stated previously we will also plan to include adhesive velrco spots in the future.

    Lastly, a big apology for the optics not being shipped as planned - well not to everyone. We'll get those sorted and out to you...asap.

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    Bruce and Vag,

    It's great to see how responsive you are to comments! Your responsiveness was one of the reasons I took the plunge and bought my light before production, and I'm glad I did!

    I have plenty of 4mm hex wrenches, but I also thought it would be nice to have one in the bag with other small parts. And the velcro spot is also something that's easy to get, but nicer not to have to. (My extra optic was included, so I guess that was hit or miss.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    I just updated a couple of beamshots.

    These are not scientific, just to give an impression.

    Note the Carpark shots are particularly illuminating, so to speak and turned out exactly as I remember the scene being lit and show the massive amount of light these things give out...

    The whole carpark (about 30 cars can park there) became daylight with a couple of these on the bars! yay.

    Note that I use spot^2 and elliptical^2 dual X2 (X2^2) setup.

    Beamshots

    Note.... I have no financial or other connection with Gloworm Other than having paid a very reasonable amount for a pair of their awesome 1.0 lights. heheh!

    Let's just see how long they last with daily repeated use.
    Thanks for the beamshots. The carpark shots with spot-spot vs eliptical did show quite a difference, reinforcing my interest in trying spot-spot for my next ride. It looks like it will make a difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    ..If you do decide to give it a go with a reflector, I'd love to know how it goes.
    I will but realistically I doubt that it will tighten the spot. I just wish I had some hobby tools to help me with this. I'm not big into part modding.

    About the spot optics; I think this is about as tight as the optics can get. The reason I say that is because the beam pattern is a virtual square with the spot optics. That means the spot optic is directly projecting the "Die" of the XM-L led ( which is square ). As such I don't think you can get tighter than that with an optic.

    Now you might be able to tighten the beam a bit with a longer reflector. Doing so would narrow the beam to a point where it would only be useful for helmet use but boy would it throw. In order to use a longer reflector the front of the lamp would need to be re-designed. This should only require a longer front piece with longer screws. Still, the question remains; can reflectors this narrow be useful?

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    O rings

    Oh, i get it with the o rings now. I thought you guys were talking about the small o rings between the mount and the light head, not the large one that attaches the whole unit to the handle bars. Yep, can see where that would be a problem if it went missing in the bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post

    But why IS it green though? That was my thought... Is it something to do with the binning?
    Custom made Gloworm Green!

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    Those lux value can be a little deceiving. Although the X2 has almost 50% more lux, the punch and the clear white tint from the Xera cannot be overshadow by the X2 in certain situation.

    This morning, I ran the X2 with spot/spot and a Xera with Optics on my helmet. It was odd running both lights on high mode. When I look down, I see a flood of lights with a hint of green tint, bit when I look up at the distant, I see the white and almost bluish tiny from the Xera. That pretty much tells me the Xera is doing a better throw even with the Reflector optics. On the other hand, the higher output of the X2 can overshadow the Xera at close range. I notice that at far range, the flood of the X2 does not make my eyes adjust and allow a larger reflector setup like the Xera to still ne useful.
    Sorry, is you Xera Optics or Reflector... I can't figure it out from your post.

    Also, could you take a photo of the Xera lighthead next to the X2, I'd like to see its physical size.

    As always, beamshots would be lovely.

    TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Sorry, is you Xera Optics or Reflector... I can't figure it out from your post.

    Also, could you take a photo of the Xera lighthead next to the X2, I'd like to see its physical size.

    As always, beamshots would be lovely.

    TIA
    I have the original reflector which came with the Xera. It is the optic and not the reflector. Sorry for the confusion, Gemini label their thrower optic as "reflector" and it can get mighty confusion. Here are some picture of the setup on top of my helmet. Not sure when I can do some beamshot.
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    Got both my x2s today. So small, they're actually really cute I'll test them out tonight.

    noob question: The spot lens is the clear one, yes?
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    anyone in Oz got their lights yet??

    Mine says it's been sitting in customs since yesterday, but the tracking is painfully slow to update, so who knows, might turn up tomorrow

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    ...Continued from my last post:

    Tonight I got a chance to play around with the X2 again while at work. Thankfully the expected snow did not show up, just an all day drizzle. During my night I happened to find two rather dark lacrosse/ field hockey fields. After checking the dimensions of said fields ( on the net ) I have to say I am rather surprised. I say that because the X2
    ( spot/spot ) did a very good job of lighting up the field.

    On the first one I pointed it across the field from the side line to the other side line. The beam pattern had no problem reaching to the other side ( ~ 160-180ft. ) Conditions were wet and the air moist with rain. Not the ideal conditions for beam tests. Still the X2 performed very well. Even though the optics are so called "spot optics", the actual beam pattern looks nothing like what most people would consider a spot. The beam pattern is about ~50-60ft. wide and completely uniform regardless of distance. It is almost like looking at the beam pattern put out by your average car. To put another way a straight 50ft wide swath of light that carries very well beyond 100ft...no artifacts, no hot spot.

    Later in the night I tried it at another field. This time I was projecting from the corner near one of the goals. Once again, conditions about the same and once again I was much impressed. I could see portions of the far side of the field and beyond. I would guess way beyond 200ft.

    Now all this is nice but I have yet to do a test that will determine "usable throw". To do that I need to place markers. That will have to wait till the weekend ( and I hope it doesn't rain again.. ) I really wish I could do a trail test because I have a feeling the wide beam pattern could possibly hamper the usable throw effect. As far as that goes I would be hard pressed ( in the dead of winter ) to find a good trail with a decent amount of foliage to perform such a test.
    ( Not to mention one that isn't all mud.... )

    All things considered, unless these and all my past observations are completely off the whack, the X2 should make a decent bar lamp ( Which is what I bought it for ). I can't wait to get in on the bike and ride. Crossing my fingers for this weekend... even if it is freaking cold..
    Hopefully the X2 will perform as well on dirt trails as it does on wet grass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    anyone in Oz got their lights yet??

    Mine says it's been sitting in customs since yesterday, but the tracking is painfully slow to update, so who knows, might turn up tomorrow
    Yeah, I got mine today, they were in customs yesterday.

    Gave them a quick test run just then, awesome, but as others have the beam is very broad, even with the spot lens. Still

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purt View Post
    Got both my x2s today. So small, they're actually really cute I'll test them out tonight.

    noob question: The spot lens is the clear one, yes?
    Yes... Spot is clear, wide has square-like patterns in it and the elliptical yatsu has rectangles in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    ...Continued from my last post:

    Tonight I got a chance to play around with the X2 again while at work. Thankfully the expected snow did not show up, just an all day drizzle. During my night I happened to find two rather dark lacrosse/ field hockey fields. After checking the dimensions of said fields ( on the net ) I have to say I am rather surprised. I say that because the X2
    ( spot/spot ) did a very good job of lighting up the field.

    On the first one I pointed it across the field from the side line to the other side line. The beam pattern had no problem reaching to the other side ( ~ 160-180ft. ) Conditions were wet and the air moist with rain. Not the ideal conditions for beam tests. Still the X2 performed very well. Even though the optics are so called "spot optics", the actual beam pattern looks nothing like what most people would consider a spot. The beam pattern is about ~50-60ft. wide and completely uniform regardless of distance. It is almost like looking at the beam pattern put out by your average car. To put another way a straight 50ft wide swath of light that carries very well beyond 100ft...no artifacts, no hot spot.

    Later in the night I tried it at another field. This time I was projecting from the corner near one of the goals. Once again, conditions about the same and once again I was much impressed. I could see portions of the far side of the field and beyond. I would guess way beyond 200ft.

    Now all this is nice but I have yet to do a test that will determine "usable throw". To do that I need to place markers. That will have to wait till the weekend ( and I hope it doesn't rain again.. ) I really wish I could do a trail test because I have a feeling the wide beam pattern could possibly hamper the usable throw effect. As far as that goes I would be hard pressed ( in the dead of winter ) to find a good trail with a decent amount of foliage to perform such a test.
    ( Not to mention one that isn't all mud.... )

    All things considered, unless these and all my past observations are completely off the whack, the X2 should make a decent bar lamp ( Which is what I bought it for ). I can't wait to get in on the bike and ride. Crossing my fingers for this weekend... even if it is freaking cold..
    Hopefully the X2 will perform as well on dirt trails as it does on wet grass.
    Yes, my initial observation was that it had an ultimate throw of about 120-130m or about 400ft. As for usable... That's purely personal. Did you see the carpark shots I put up on Flickr?

    That confirms what I thought, an immense, smooth wall of light with neither artefact nor noticeable hotspot. Very natural flood. Looking forward to the piccies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Yes, my initial observation was that it had an ultimate throw of about 120-130m or about 400ft. As for usable... That's purely personal. Did you see the carpark shots I put up on Flickr?

    That confirms what I thought, an immense, smooth wall of light with neither artefact nor noticeable hotspot. Very natural flood. Looking forward to the piccies.
    I just looked at it. Were there any lights in the parking lot? Where I live you could never take a shot like that, too many pole/building lights.

    Anyway, it looks great though. Notice how well you see the fence in the distance. Got to least be 150ft. to the fence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I just looked at it. Were there any lights in the parking lot? Where I live you could never take a shot like that, too many pole/building lights.

    Anyway, it looks great though. Notice how well you see the fence in the distance. Got to least be 150ft. to the fence
    Cat, That's a very good guess. It's actually around 45 m, which I guess is around 130 to 140 feet.
    But what amazes me is the tower in the background. That tower is at least another 20 or 30 m away and the height is about 30 m as well so if you take that into consideration it's almost 70 m away. Which is well over 200 feet horizontally and 90 feet vertically or 220 feet diagonally!

    This is actually one of the darkest places in my area of Tokyo. The other shot shows some ambient lighting, a kind of orange glow. This sort of background lighting is far more typical in the centre of Tokyo than that shown in the shot of the carpark.

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    I received a replacement extension cord for my X2 and after a quick test, all seems well. Thank you gloworm for going the extra distance and ordering me a cord elsewhere just to get me up and running as quickly as possible. That's the kind of service we like around here.

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    Right now I'm crossing my fingers hoping it doesn't snow during the weekend. I really want to try out the light on a trail.

    I did another test tonight while at work. This time I used a 32oz cup in a dark parking lot. I sat the cup at the other end, about 150 ft. away. No problem seeing the cup. I only wish the parking lot had been longer.

    Once again, all this is good but road throw is not the same as trail throw. My observations over the years is that light illumines better on the road than on the trail...UNLESS....the road is wet...OR....the trail is very light-colored and completely flat.

    Again, I won't pass final judgement until I see what this light can do on a typical trail.

    GraXXor wrote:
    ....But what amazes me is the tower in the background. That tower is at least another 20 or 30 m away and the height is about 30 m as well so if you take that into consideration it's almost 70 m away. Which is well over 200 feet horizontally and 90 feet vertically or 220 feet diagonally!
    Yes, there is a lot of light emitted that is lost with the spot optic. If it were possible to recapture some of that light and refocus it more towards the front the beam pattern would go from good to AWESOME.
    Now I'm wondering what the beam patterns from the elliptical optics look like. Wish I had some.

    Wow! Just had a thought. I wonder what effect a reflective hood would have on the beam pattern? Now that I just may be able to try out. ( It worked with my triple maybe with this as well. )

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    Got my light today, and yep, its small!

    Only had a quick chance to take it out on the road as its been raining on and off. The only lights I have to compare against are a couple of old cateye lights that arent worth mentioning, an MJ-808 900 lumen (Action LED orange peel reflector) and a Fenix TK40 torch rated at 680 Lumen on Turbo mode.

    Firstup, the torch out throws both of them by a long way. I guess there is no substitute for a decent size and depth reflector. The MJ-808 out throws the X2 as well and even though its rated at 900 lumen general consensus seems to put it at around 700 odd.

    So, the X2 puts out a lot of light, but not sure where its all going. Realistically it should be the brightest of the lot, but it just seems to lose light somewhere. I'm not sure if its because the foreground is so bright that its harder to pickup the more distant light. (and by foreground i dont just mean the road, but everything both sides and the trees above).

    I love using it on commuter mode at 300 lumen as it lights up everything in front of you nicely, but when you crank it up to 700 and 1000 lumen it gets brighter but not sure if you can see a whole lot further. It seems to miss some punch. As has been said earlier, it would be great if one of the optics could be turned into some sort of reflector or a more focused optic to give some more usable distance.

    I really need to wait until I get a propper ride in and ride some darker roads that I dont know so well to see how easy it is to pick out obstacles at speed etc.

    I will be using this light exclusively for road riding for what its worth. As it is, this is a really nice little package and does everything it was advertised to do so far with my limited use. Just wish it had a bit more usable distance to make it perfect.

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    Here is my impression of the X2 after three days use of this light out on the road for my commute. So far, the weakest part of the X2 is the throw in the center of the beam. The amount of total OTF lumen from the X2 is bright, but it needs to be better manage down the center. What I'm finding is that the beam pattern is almost like a horizontal hour glass shape having a wide center but not as the two edges. This is more apparent when I shine the beam on a dark wall in low power. The shape is sort of like the shape of how Hollywood film maker portait the view looking through a binocular glass. You get like two 3/4 circle join in the center.

    I have a love and hate for the beam pattern. It projects great for lighting up thing to the left and right side, but the center projection trail behind lacking in throw. This is where I believe most of the 1200 lumens are dissipating. Using the X2 in combo with a throw solve this issue and gives me a perfect Holy Grail beam. I can get a inverted "T" shape beam using the X2 with a XML torch with a deep reflector or XPG flashlight torch. Please note this observation was taking using the spot/spot, although I don't think too much of a difference the other optic will really make for throw because of the way the light head is designed.

    The other negative of the X2 is the short remote switch cord. I feel it can benefit is it was another two inch longer. If I run the power wire on one side of the helmet, the remote will not reach the other side. Otherwise, having a remote switch on a lighthead should be standard for the industry.

    The plus so far is the remote switch as package size and weight.

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    Hopefully over the weekend I will get a chance to make my way to a hobby store. If possible I'll pick-up some items that will get me started on the reflector mod. No promises on how it will work but I'll post up if I get it to fit. I just hope that after I do all the work that I get a decent beam pattern out of it. If it's filled with rings and artifacts it will be a total failure.

    I 'll also try out a quickie reflector hood. Basically I will do this with just some thin cardboard, scissors and some aluminum foil. If it kicks down some of that wasted light without creating a strange beam artifact I will have succeeded.

    I think the consensus so far is that a better/tighter spot optic is needed. One standard spot coupled with a newer/tighter spot optic could just about be perfect. The really nice thing about these lights is that "change is possible" because of the optic set-up.

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    So, I'm a bit of a newbie on the topic of optics. Are these things readily available from retail stores, or only as custom orders for manufacturers?
    The optics used in the X2 just seem like a dense plastic, would a better quality glass one (if such a thing exists) make any difference to throw?

    I guess the trick is to lengthen the throw if possible without wrecking the good parts about the beam as it is.
    Looking at GraXXors car park photos, it can obviously get light out there, just needs to be a little more focused to be usable at that distance on the road/ trail without being a laser beam

    Edit: actually these look remarkably similar to the optics in the X2: Cutter Electronics

    and the narrow beam spot optic looks to possibly be an LLC01N in this docco: http://www.lednlight.com/downloads_l...n_CREE_XML.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    I just updated a couple of beamshots.

    These are not scientific, just to give an impression.

    Note the Carpark shots are particularly illuminating, so to speak and turned out exactly as I remember the scene being lit and show the massive amount of light these things give out...
    Hi GraXXoR,

    Thanks for taking the time to share your beamshots!

    Just wondering, though... did you use the standard MTBR camera settings or some other generic (automatic) exposure scheme???

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    Yes, there is a lot of light emitted that is lost with the spot optic. If it were possible to recapture some of that light and refocus it more towards the front the beam pattern would go from good to AWESOME.
    Now I'm wondering what the beam patterns from the elliptical optics look like. Wish I had some.

    Wow! Just had a thought. I wonder what effect a reflective hood would have on the beam pattern? Now that I just may be able to try out. ( It worked with my triple maybe with this as well. ) [/QUOTE]

    Yes, make the hood! I experimented with a hood on my BR IV but I didn.t get much in the way of results unless the hood was 6" long. I didn't invest much time in it but I'd sure like to see what you can come up with.

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    Just gave them a decent work out. 8 hour trail run in rain on a mix of low and high (700 lumens). Didn't turn it off once. Worked perfectly. On low the throw seems to be about right but as soon as you kick it up instead of increasing throw it just lights everything up the general area around you. Would be a perfect light if the throw was sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    ...Yes, make the hood! I experimented with a hood on my BR IV but I didn.t get much in the way of results unless the hood was 6" long. I didn't invest much time in it but I'd sure like to see what you can come up with.
    Yep, I'll be messing with it tonight. I wish I could go out and try the light out some more but Old Man Winter has reappeared and is rearing his ugly head. I can take the cold but the wind is really going right now......*sigh*.

    (Pause)...Well I finished building a proto-type hood and tried it out inside the house. This time I used thin plastic as the base and then taped some aluminum foil in place. It looks much better than the cardboard ones which means I will re-make the one I have for the triple. Anyway, as expected I didn't see much difference with the forward throw. There is some additional illumination close to the light though, mostly in the 5ft. range. It does seem to make the lower modes more useful but I won't really know for sure until I can take it outside. With the wind howling away that's not gonna happen tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    Here is my impression of the X2 after three days use of this light out on the road for my commute. So far, the weakest part of the X2 is the throw in the center of the beam. The amount of total OTF lumen from the X2 is bright, but it needs to be better manage down the center. What I'm finding is that the beam pattern is almost like a horizontal hour glass shape having a wide center but not as the two edges. This is more apparent when I shine the beam on a dark wall in low power. The shape is sort of like the shape of how Hollywood film maker portait the view looking through a binocular glass. You get like two 3/4 circle join in the center.

    I have a love and hate for the beam pattern. It projects great for lighting up thing to the left and right side, but the center projection trail behind lacking in throw. This is where I believe most of the 1200 lumens are dissipating. Using the X2 in combo with a throw solve this issue and gives me a perfect Holy Grail beam. I can get a inverted "T" shape beam using the X2 with a XML torch with a deep reflector or XPG flashlight torch. Please note this observation was taking using the spot/spot, although I don't think too much of a difference the other optic will really make for throw because of the way the light head is designed.

    The other negative of the X2 is the short remote switch cord. I feel it can benefit is it was another two inch longer. If I run the power wire on one side of the helmet, the remote will not reach the other side. Otherwise, having a remote switch on a lighthead should be standard for the industry.

    The plus so far is the remote switch as package size and weight.
    Thanks for the great observations. Yes it definitely does lack a bit of throw in the middle point. However I think you may have misaligned optics because when I use a spot spot combination I certainly don't get an hourglass shape. I get a massive circle of light and very well shaped. When projected onto a straight wall it is very uniform. However when half of the circle of light is on the floor, I almost feel that the circle is actually elongated vertically. It's just so tall that it seems to illuminate almost directly overhead.

    You might want to take both optics out and make sure that the little solder blob is not interfering with the placement of the optics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abacojeff View Post
    Hi GraXXoR,

    Thanks for taking the time to share your beamshots!

    Just wondering, though... did you use the standard MTBR camera settings or some other generic (automatic) exposure scheme???
    Hi there... For the carpark shots, I was handholding my camera because I didn't have my tripod. So I used three stops less exposure and three stops more ISO so the EV is exactly the same, but with a slightly higher amount of noise in the photo. When shrunk down to the size which I can upload to Flickr, the difference between the two is negligible.

    Just in case I took one photo of the car park at the regular settings, and although it was totally blurred and useless for find observation, the lighting levels were exactly the same as the photos I have uploaded so I am confident that they represent the standard MTBR light values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    You might want to take both optics out and make sure that the little solder blob is not interfering with the placement of the optics.
    I agree that it's worth double-checking the alignment. I remember reading about about excess thermal paste so I was paying attention when I swapped the flood optic for a spot. I lined up the slot on the bottom of the optic as best I could. I thought I had it all worked out, but everything back together - but the front section didn't quite go on correctly. It seems the solder blob was just a little too big for the optic; I pushed down on the optic a bit more, and it settled in place. When I looked at the original flood optic, I noticed it was every so slightly enlarged on the slot. Seems like the slot is a bit too small for the solder blob, but it did fit when I used a bit more force.

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    I wonder if Gloworm would like to comment on the possibility of a different spot optic to improve the throw of the X2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    ...Edit: actually these look remarkably similar to the optics in the X2: Cutter Electronics

    and the narrow beam spot optic looks to possibly be an LLC01N in this docco: http://www.lednlight.com/downloads_l...n_CREE_XML.pdf
    I think the LLC01 series ( 16mm diameter ) is the same series as what is used in the X2. The drawings and measurements look the same as do the holders.
    Oh, and to those not in the know, those pdf files take a while to download ( which makes it look like a dead link

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    New subject: Quick tips on the remote button mounting and O-ring bar mounting:

    On the O-ring; I found that old skinny bars and not wide enough for the small O-ring to hold tight enough. Yes, you can use tape to build in up or ....you can use one of the (red) O-rings used with standard Bikeray lights. Nice and tight. Oh, and using a small tire lever makes getting the O-rings on much easier.

    On the remote button mounting; Personally I have no problem with the mini-Velcro strip that was included with the kit. The key is making sure the wire is not pulling on the one side. Actually if the wire is PUSHING against the button a little the button stays in place better. OPTION TWO; You can create a rubberized hold down by cutting out a section of thin latex. This latex is available anywhere you can buy latex gloves. ( check you local drug store ) ( Note: These are medical gloves, not the kind used for dish washing ). Cut a strip about an 3.5cm wide and as long as you think you need. You than take the strip and make a make-shift rubber band as such and tie it off at the ends so it is just big enough to go over the handlebars and yet have some play. Trim off the excess and you're good. Once in place you take the square button and wrap the button completely with the latex. You will find that it completes covers the button and does not hinder operation. The unused section just tightens up like a rubber band. Now your button is not only water proof but free from sweat and dirt that so very easily gets on your hands when MTB'n.

    The only down side is that latex can tear unexpectedly. But heck, its cheap. Just make sure you have a couple back ups. I picked up a couple pair of purple latex gloves at the local Doc's office.

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    More on the reflector bit: I got the idea tonight to try the reflector on one of my XM-L torches that uses a drop-in just so could get an idea of the beam pattern it would make. To my astonishment "It does create somewhat of a hotspot"! Not sure how it would translate out at distance but it is a start. Now all I have to do is file down those threads.

    There is one problem though. During the test the emitter on the drop-in was somehow damaged. Sadly it was my best and brightest. It still works but it has yellowed. I'm not sure why but it might have to do with the lack of heat sinking while doing the test...OR...perhaps the reflector itself did the damage because the emitter hole was not big enough and the heat which transfered from the emitter somehow hurt the emitter. I'm really not sure at this point.

    Now I'm out my best drop-in and Kaidomain doesn't carry that particular one any more.....*sniff*........
    Oh well, I took one for the Gipper. I can buy another XM-L drop-in just not one with a 2000ma output..................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    More on the reflector bit: I got the idea tonight to try the reflector on one of my XM-L torches that uses a drop-in just so could get an idea of the beam pattern it would make. To my astonishment "It does create somewhat of a hotspot"! Not sure how it would translate out at distance but it is a start. Now all I have to do is file down those threads.

    There is one problem though. During the test the emitter on the drop-in was somehow damaged. Sadly it was my best and brightest. It still works but it has yellowed. I'm not sure why but it might have to do with the lack of heat sinking while doing the test...OR...perhaps the reflector itself did the damage because the emitter hole was not big enough and the heat which transfered from the emitter somehow hurt the emitter. I'm really not sure at this point.

    Now I'm out my best drop-in and Kaidomain doesn't carry that particular one any more.....*sniff*........
    Oh well, I took one for the Gipper. I can buy another XM-L drop-in just not one with a 2000ma output..................
    Too bad about the drop in and worse that you can't actually get a replacement.

    What on earth would change the colour of the emitter? It would have to be overheating, wouldn't it...

    Good luck on the reflector mod, I'm really loving my X2s and really don't want to put anything else on the bars any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Too bad about the drop in and worse that you can't actually get a replacement.

    What on earth would change the colour of the emitter? It would have to be overheating, wouldn't it...

    Good luck on the reflector mod, I'm really loving my X2s and really don't want to put anything else on the bars any more.
    Heat damage to the dome. Other than that it works fine. When you remove the original reflector from the drop-in you remove the primary heat sink used to cool the emitter. My bad. My stupid bad. If I had used the lower mode I probably would of been fine....

    Once I get the threads filed off I will do a comparison ( if everything else fits ) of the beam patterns....narrow optic vs. reflector. I will hold both up to a wall and decide which will most likely work better. If the reflector is tighter, only then will I put it in the X2 for a trial.
    The only other issue that might screw everything up is the reflector height. It is about 1.5mm taller than the optic. If I file off the protruding underside of the reflector it should fit but that will not be easy. Not to mention that it could end up altering the beam pattern when it's done. Dang it, I just wish there was a tighter optic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    You might want to take both optics out and make sure that the little solder blob is not interfering with the placement of the optics.
    Quote Originally Posted by agoura_biker View Post
    I agree that it's worth double-checking the alignment. I remember reading about about excess thermal paste so I was paying attention when I swapped the flood optic for a spot. I lined up the slot on the bottom of the optic as best I could. I thought I had it all worked out, but everything back together - but the front section didn't quite go on correctly. It seems the solder blob was just a little too big for the optic; I pushed down on the optic a bit more, and it settled in place. When I looked at the original flood optic, I noticed it was every so slightly enlarged on the slot. Seems like the slot is a bit too small for the solder blob, but it did fit when I used a bit more force.
    Here is something I noticed when I removed my spot optic and checked the alignment. My solder blob on one led was ok and flat while the other one did had a blob but not high enough that it will interfered with the seating of the optic if I set it under one of the 5 notch on the underside base of the optic.

    I found that one of my optic was still not sitting flat. Upon further visual inspection, I saw that one of the optic had the rim on the seat of the optic sitting on top of the other rim. This cause one optic to sit in an angle where it points toward the side ever so slightly. When I took them out, I saw that there is a flat spot on the rim on each of my four optics. I placed them back in with the flat spot toward the center so that the rim of each optic will clear each other and realign one of the notch under the base. There was still one little corner where it still had some interference and a little filing of it took care of the overlapping.

    It appears that the LED center to center spacing on my unit are just narrow enough and care must be taken to be sure that the flat spot on the rim is facing the center so that they do not overlap.

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    With the temps in my area still in the low 20°'s (F) I decided I just had to see how the X2 was going to do on a dirt trail. Unfortunately I started too late to do a ride so I just took a quick walk out to a local trail. Besides I really didn't feel like messing with all of my winter ride gear anyway.

    I brought the Bikeray IV along to compare with along with my usual assortment of XM-L torches. With temps as low as they were the trail was frozen up so no mud to deal with, that part was good. The dirt on the trail though was very dark colored due to the recent rains so reflectivity was going to be down. I found a nice straight-away about a 100+ft. long and started the shoot out.

    Basically pretty much what I expected. "Road throw" does not equate to "Trail Throw".
    Still the X2 did not disappoint me. At the maximum distance I could still see so for the most part I'm somewhat satisfied although more throw would be most welcome. When I brought the Bikeray IV up it too did very well and appears at first glance to have about the same throw. Intensity between the two is almost identical as was expected.

    The real difference between the two is that the X2 has a wider beam that is more evenly dispersed. This is not always apparent though when riding trails. The deciding factor on which is best has to do with over-all functionality. In this category the X2 excels and wins hands down.
    The low mode ( it's only other steady mode ) on the BR IV completely sucks. You also have to cycle through flash when you want to switch modes.
    The X2 on the other hand has a most excellent array of lower modes to choose from and almost every one of them Rock.

    I have a feeling that for most of my night time excursions I am going to prefer the "Adventure Program". With it's 100-500-900 lumen set-up I can get maximum run time from my battery ( not the standard X2 battery ). I found the 500 lumen setting to be the mode setting that gives you the best ratio of efficiency in regard to Run time vs. illumination. At this level It illuminates everything very well and still has decent throw and long run time. And Hey, if I need more all I have to do is go up a mode or switch to any of the other menus. That is what makes the Gloworm X2 a hands down winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    With the temps in my area still in the low 20°'s (F) I decided I just had to see how the X2 was going to do on a dirt trail. Unfortunately I started too late to do a ride so I just took a quick walk out to a local trail. Besides I really didn't feel like messing with all of my winter ride gear anyway.

    I brought the Bikeray IV along to compare with along with my usual assortment of XM-L torches. With temps as low as they were the trail was frozen up so no mud to deal with, that part was good. The dirt on the trail though was very dark colored due to the recent rains so reflectivity was going to be down. I found a nice straight-away about a 100+ft. long and started the shoot out.

    Basically pretty much what I expected. "Road throw" does not equate to "Trail Throw".
    Still the X2 did not disappoint me. At the maximum distance I could still see so for the most part I'm somewhat satisfied although more throw would be most welcome. When I brought the Bikeray IV up it too did very well and appears at first glance to have about the same throw. Intensity between the two is almost identical as was expected.

    The real difference between the two is that the X2 has a wider beam that is more evenly dispersed. This is not always apparent though when riding trails. The deciding factor on which is best has to do with over-all functionality. In this category the X2 excels and wins hands down.
    The low mode ( it's only other steady mode ) on the BR IV completely sucks. You also have to cycle through flash when you want to switch modes.
    The X2 on the other hand has a most excellent array of lower modes to choose from and almost everyone of them Rock.

    I have a feeling that for most of my night time excursions I am going to prefer the "Adventure Program". With it's 100-500-900 lumen set-up I can get maximum run time from my battery ( not the standard X2 battery ). I found the 500 lumen setting to be the mode setting that gives you the best ratio of efficiency in regard to Run time vs. illumination. At this level It illuminates everything very well and still has decent throw and long run time. And Hey, if I need more all I have to do is go up a mode or switch to any of the other menus. That is what makes the Gloworm X2 a hands down winner.
    I got a chance to try out the spot-spot configuration on a ride tonight. It was "cold" here, too - 51 degrees when I finished! I even needed a windbreaker for the downhills.

    Part of it may have been swapping the spot optic for the flood, but I had a better appreciation for the quality of the light tonight, much like what you are talking about. (I also angled the light a little higher; I'm not sure how much difference this made, but it might be nicer not having the ground right in front of the bike being so bright.) The light has a broad, even beam - it really covers the trail well. Even riding at 20 mph downhill, I felt I was seeing plenty far ahead, and it's nice to have the sides of the trail lit up, too, to help orient.

    I haven't tried the Adventure program yet. I've thought I wanted the extra lumens of the Trail boost, but as we've noted before, there's not that much practical difference between the High at 900 lumens and the Boost at 1200 lumens, so that might be a good choice.

    I did want to get a better idea about battery life, so for tonight's ride (50 minutes) I used Boost the whole time. The battery was on the 40% light at the end. It's a pretty big jump from 80% to 40% and I don't know when the 40% light went on, but it still seems like pretty good battery life to me since I normally wouldn't have the light on Boost for so long. Should be pretty easy to do a 2 or 3 hour ride.

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    End of season special +Version 2

    Hello,

    Here come some news from our side.

    End of season special

    If you check our website we currently put the price back in the presale offer. Season is about to end and we would like to get even more people out in the trails with an X2.

    If these are good news we do have some better ones for the ones that have already trusted us during the presale, which are the V2 announcement and a special for the presale buyers.

    Version 2
    After your feedback we have thought on what to do in order to make the X2 even better. Version 2 is going to be out late March and it has the following changes:

      • *New optics which give more throw and still a good flood. (Beamshots to come)
        Still you can play around Spot, Flood and Elliptical combinations
      • *Housing slightly redesigned to accommodate new optics, creating 1.6 sq in more surface area
      • *A whiter XM-L tint
      • *An improved battery indication system


    Special for all pre sales

    As the people who have purchased this light have noticed we have put a lot of effort on creating what would be our dream light.
    Version 2 is happening because of your feedback. Thank you for this. We feel like we build this V2 together with all of you.

    I have personally been around this forum for around a year and a half and I know that if they are some who know how a perfect light should be those are the people who post here.

    We have received a great number of presales and we have thought that is is our duty to reward the ones who trusted us first and gave us feedback.

    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    Then you can have a V1 in the bars and a V2 in the helmet

    Ok, that's all with big announcements for today.

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    Thanks for the feedback guys, good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Version 2
    After your feedback we have thought on what to do in order to make the X2 even better. Version 2 is going to be out late March and it has the following changes:

    • New optics which give more throw and still a good flood. (Beamshots to come)
      Still you can play around Spot, Flood and Elliptical combinations
    • Housing slightly redesigned to accommodate new optics, creating 1.6 sq in more surface area
    • A whiter XM-L tint
    • An improved battery indication system


    Special for all pre sales

    As the people who have purchased this light have noticed we have put a lot of effort on creating what would be our dream light.
    Version 2 is happening because of your feedback. Thank you for this. We feel like we build this V2 together with all of you.

    I have personally been around this forum for around a year and a half and I know that if they are some who know how a perfect like should be those are the people who post here.

    We have received a great number of presales and we have thought that is is our duty to reward the ones who trusted us first and gave us feedback.

    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    Then you can have a V1 in the bars and a V2 in the helmet

    Ok, that's all with big announcements for today.

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    I look forward to seeing what the new X2-V2 will look like. This time I will want to know a little more about the optics before jumping in. I take it everything else about the light will stay the same ( except maybe a couple more inches on the remote wire.. ) Oh by the way, Super KUDO's for thinking of your First customers by offering them a discount . I look forward to seeing beam pics of the new offering.

    ( * BTW...this thread has near record hits. When the news of the new offering hits, this thread is going go ballistic! You might need to start a new thread just so people don't get the two confused. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    Then you can have a V1 in the bars and a V2 in the helmet

    Ok, that's all with big announcements for today.

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    This is cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    Most excellent news. I look forward to the coupon and pictures to X2b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    I think I will be taking you up on this offer

    Any chance that it will also come with one free extra lens like the first one did? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    Here is something I noticed when I removed my spot optic and checked the alignment. My solder blob on one led was ok and flat while the other one did had a blob but not high enough that it will interfered with the seating of the optic if I set it under one of the 5 notch on the underside base of the optic.

    I found that one of my optic was still not sitting flat. Upon further visual inspection, I saw that one of the optic had the rim on the seat of the optic sitting on top of the other rim. This cause one optic to sit in an angle where it points toward the side ever so slightly. When I took them out, I saw that there is a flat spot on the rim on each of my four optics. I placed them back in with the flat spot toward the center so that the rim of each optic will clear each other and realign one of the notch under the base. There was still one little corner where it still had some interference and a little filing of it took care of the overlapping.

    It appears that the LED center to center spacing on my unit are just narrow enough and care must be taken to be sure that the flat spot on the rim is facing the center so that they do not overlap.
    You are right! My optics have the same flat spot. It's very subtle and I didn't notice it. I didn't pay attention to it and I think my optics are aligned anyway, but better to line them up the right way.

    Gloworm might want to make a note of this. Maybe they should add a FAQ section to their website with some set-up tips that have come out of this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Version 2
    After your feedback we have thought on what to do in order to make the X2 even better. Version 2 is going to be out late March and it has the following changes:

      • *New optics which give more throw and still a good flood. (Beamshots to come)
        Still you can play around Spot, Flood and Elliptical combinations
      • *Housing slightly redesigned to accommodate new optics, creating 1.6 sq in more surface area
      • *A whiter XM-L tint
      • *An improved battery indication system


    Special for all pre sales

    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    Then you can have a V1 in the bars and a V2 in the helmet
    This is really great news all around! I really appreciate your responsiveness to the comments here. I think this is the first time I've bought a product before it was released and there were any reviews, so it was a leap of faith, but it was based a lot on your comments in this thread and obvious commitment to delivering a great light. It's great to see that commitment continue!

    And even greater to see the deal for us early adopters! An unexpected bonus for that leap of faith! I'm really happy with my X2 as a bar light now (especially with the two spot optics), but more throw would make it a great helmet light, too. That sounds like a deal I won't be able to resist!

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    Hey,

    @Cat-man-do - the change of the light head will not be significant at all. The new optics are deeper and have a larger diameter (they are not from a chinese company but a well known optic manufacturer). The light head will get wider by 1.4mm and longer by about 2 - this allowed us to add an extra fin and the front to assist with cooling (although this is not a problem). This had a slight affect on the weight of the unit...3g. I took some beam shots last night, however the location was not really the best. The basic run down is as follows:

    • The centre of the beam is more focussed and hotter, however the beam is still smooth
    • At 10m the direct lux at the centre of the beam is now 20% more than the previous optics.
    • The optics are more clear
    • If I was to put a number on it, I would say throw has increased by about 15%


    @agoura biker - the website has a FAQ however we do need to add the points that have been noted on this thread

    Lastly the new optics will not be housed in a holder. We have redesigned the internals of the housing to act as the holder for the optics and to maintain that perfect focal distance. This means optics will be easier to change as they will literally drop in. They will not be touching the LED board below but positioned 1mm above. Another bonus is that there is no longer any chance that the optics will get obstructed by the solder.

    Lastly does anyone have any location requests for the next set of beam shots?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    @agoura biker - the website has a FAQ however we do need to add the points that have been noted on this thread
    That was just my faulty memory! I remember reading it before I ordered my light.

    I'm really not sure where the best place for these tips is - some (like lining up the optics) are really details for some owners. But I guess the FAQ's the first place I go to look for such things, so it seems good.

    Great news about the new optics. Sounds like they will be easier to swap. And a whole 3g heavier??? I think I can handle that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey,

    @Cat-man-do - the change of the light head will not be significant at all. The new optics are deeper and have a larger diameter (they are not from a chinese company but a well known optic manufacturer). The light head will get wider by 1.4mm and longer by about 2 - this allowed us to add an extra fin and the front to assist with cooling (although this is not a problem). This had a slight affect on the weight of the unit...3g. I took some beam shots last night, however the location was not really the best. The basic run down is as follows:

    • The centre of the beam is more focussed and hotter, however the beam is still smooth
    • At 10m the direct lux at the centre of the beam is now 20% more than the previous optics.
    • The optics are more clear
    • If I was to put a number on it, I would say throw has increased by about 15%


    @agoura biker - the website has a FAQ however we do need to add the points that have been noted on this thread

    Lastly the new optics will not be housed in a holder. We have redesigned the internals of the housing to act as the holder for the optics and to maintain that perfect focal distance. This means optics will be easier to change as they will literally drop in. They will not be touching the LED board below but positioned 1mm above. Another bonus is that there is no longer any chance that the optics will get obstructed by the solder.

    Lastly does anyone have any location requests for the next set of beam shots?

    Cheers

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    @Gloworm....seeing a new design is on the way, here's one improvement that needs to be done:

    You need to add an anti-reflective coating to the outer lens. It's a small thing but will aid in light transmission through the lens.

    I can tell the current ones aren't coated by holding them at an angle. When held at an angle you should see a greenish reflection. Not to worry, the green doesn't transfer to the output. Looking directly into the light it just looks clear. I've use anti-reflective coating on my glasses for years. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Not a big deal though but would be nice to see.

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    How about some optional yellow outer lenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Lastly does anyone have any location requests for the next set of beam shots?

    Cheers

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    Well, I'm sure the MTB crowd would like to see some trail and open field shots, but me personally, would love to see some suburban street shots and some dark country/ hills road shots to see the spread and distance of the beam on low and high

    Actually, what I'd really love to see is some video in the above scenarios (proper video from something like a GoPro HD camera, not hand held mobile phone jerky stuff).
    To me, video makes it so much easier to judge usability and speed at which things jump out at you rather than static shots etc.

    Hey, you asked!

    edit: just for reference, this is one of the roads I do most of my riding on (not me in this video). Speeds at 70-75kph in some places Montacute descent 27 12 2010 - YouTube
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    I'm really happy that they are already at work on the V2, but I think it might have been nice if they had waited just a little bit longer before starting. I'm sure there's still quite a few points to come in especially regarding durability and longevity.

    For example, the cable which comes out the side of the unit: my cable has already started to bend at the point where it exits and I'm concerned that due to the fact there is no reinforcement on the cable, it might break given a few months of use especially since a lot of people including myself, have to take them off every day and put them in a bag.

    Another thing I've noticed, although nothing to do with longevity, is that due to the exceptionally wide beam pattern, when standing up and cycling uphill I tend to blind myself. Some little eyebrows might help, although the new deeper optics may well take care of that problem.

    I had actually wondered what the deal was with those little optics holders. It seemed a shame to waste a couple of millimetres on the holder when you could have had a slightly larger optic which would have offered better throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    Here come some news from our side.

    End of season special

    If you check our website we currently put the price back in the presale offer. Season is about to end and we would like to get even more people out in the trails with an X2.

    If these are good news we do have some better ones for the ones that have already trusted us during the presale, which are the V2 announcement and a special for the presale buyers.

    Version 2
    After your feedback we have thought on what to do in order to make the X2 even better. Version 2 is going to be out late March and it has the following changes:

      • *New optics which give more throw and still a good flood. (Beamshots to come)
        Still you can play around Spot, Flood and Elliptical combinations
      • *Housing slightly redesigned to accommodate new optics, creating 1.6 sq in more surface area
      • *A whiter XM-L tint
      • *An improved battery indication system


    Special for all pre sales

    As the people who have purchased this light have noticed we have put a lot of effort on creating what would be our dream light.
    Version 2 is happening because of your feedback. Thank you for this. We feel like we build this V2 together with all of you.

    I have personally been around this forum for around a year and a half and I know that if they are some who know how a perfect light should be those are the people who post here.

    We have received a great number of presales and we have thought that is is our duty to reward the ones who trusted us first and gave us feedback.

    Once our X2-V2 is out we will be sending a special coupon to all our presale buyers. You will be able to purchase the V2 Lighthead with 50 USD and the full package with 100 USD (shipping included for both options).
    Then you can have a V1 in the bars and a V2 in the helmet

    Ok, that's all with big announcements for today.

    On Behalf of Gloworm
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    That's great news to hear the cheap light offer for us pre sales types.... how long will the offer last? I bought two X2s so perhaps I'll get two vouchers...?

    So, you are saying there will be the same three types of lenses; spot, wide and elliptical.

    Any chance of a reflector?

    Your battery is $50, does it have balancing built in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoura_biker View Post
    You are right! My optics have the same flat spot. It's very subtle and I didn't notice it. I didn't pay attention to it and I think my optics are aligned anyway, but better to line them up the right way.

    Gloworm might want to make a note of this. Maybe they should add a FAQ section to their website with some set-up tips that have come out of this thread?
    I wasn't able to line the flat parts up in my double spot properly because the solder blob was too intrusive and didn't match the indent in the back of the optics holder.

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    Any idea when we'll see the missing additional lenses in the mail?.

    Other than that I'm likingbthe lights a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    Any idea when we'll see the missing additional lenses in the mail?.

    Other than that I'm likingbthe lights a lot

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    Hello,

    The Lenses have been received in USA. Will be shipping this week. Thanks for your patience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    ...the cable which comes out the side of the unit: my cable has already started to bend at the point where it exits and I'm concerned that due to the fact there is no reinforcement on the cable, it might break given a few months of use especially since a lot of people including myself, have to take them off every day and put them in a bag...
    Yes, I've noticed that the cable exit on the lamp head is a potential problem as well. Adding a couple more inches of cable will help relieve some stress but the wire should still be reinforced a bit where it comes out of the lamp head to prevent crimping of the wire.

    One other thing that bothers me is the wire gauge. Is this gauge of wire sufficiently big enough to power two XML's ?? I might as well ask it, "Gloworm, How hard are you driving the emitters on the X2 and will the V2 be any different"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture;

    Lastly does anyone have any location requests for the next set of beam shots?

    Cheers

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    hey guys, any beam shot comparissons between V1 and V2 light heads yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    Here come some news from our side.
    ....
    A whiter XM-L tint
    ....
    Vag
    You might consider that "whiter" is not always "better." Some will take issue with the ultra-cool white being a little hard on the eyes. Just for what it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    You might consider that "whiter" is not always "better." Some will take issue with the ultra-cool white being a little hard on the eyes. Just for what it's worth.
    Made a post about this:

    New Petzl NAO -- Reactive lighting!!

    In summary, under mesopic viewing conditions, yellow sources have reduced effectiveness while blue/green sources have increased effectiveness. We therefore propose the concept of a ratio for determining the true rating of a fixture’s illumination in relation to lumens utilised by the human eye. This could provide a mechanism to determine the true “quality of light,” hence the term quality of light factor (QLF).

    From the above discussion it is clear that the strength of the scotopic eye sensitivity of an LED is a number of times higher than that of an HPS source. Therefore the QLF of an LED source should be greater than the QLF of an HPS source and this factor should be rated high while purchasing Safety Lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post

    The new optics are deeper and have a larger diameter...

    • The centre of the beam is more focussed and hotter, however the beam is still smooth
    • At 10m the direct lux at the centre of the beam is now 20% more than the previous optics.
    • The optics are more clear
    • If I was to put a number on it, I would say throw has increased by about 15%

    .....
    Cheers

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    Since I'm sure the manufacturer of both the "old" and "new" lenses designed the lens around the XM-L, you should have access to the full technical specifications.
    Even if you can't disclose the manufacturer of the new lens, why not add the Full-Width Half-Maximum (FWHM) angle to your list when you compare the old to the new? I think most if not all of the readers here would find that information to be useful.

    When other light manufactures talk about their lights, they refer to a beam "angle," but it's important to know if they're talking about the FULL width number, between X1 and X2, in degrees on the chart below.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    You might consider that "whiter" is not always "better." Some will take issue with the ultra-cool white being a little hard on the eyes. Just for what it's worth.
    I think this was in reply to a couple of people who thought the existing setup exhibited a slightly Green tint (presumably due to the optics) whereas the new optic has less effect on the colour, at least toward a green tint. Personally I didn't see any green, or at least waqsnt smart enough to pick it up

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    love to add a Gloworm to my collection !
    and put it through a couple of rides and tests.
    But need to get at least one light design finished ,...

    Finally a decent Helmet light !
    changeable optics, and remote switch, nice design, extra cooling fins,
    what else could you possible want !?
    my thumbs up for Gloworm X2 !
    cheers, Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    I think this was in reply to a couple of people who thought the existing setup exhibited a slightly Green tint (presumably due to the optics) whereas the new optic has less effect on the colour, at least toward a green tint. Personally I didn't see any green, or at least waqsnt smart enough to pick it up
    Yes, tb123 is quite correct. There was a problem, well not so much a problem as such, but rather an issue where the light was somewhat greener than is usual for an LED light. I noticed it immediately both on both my spot spot setup and my elliptical elliptical setups.

    So when I read more white tent, I just assumed it would mean less green rather than being particularly that much colder or bluer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Yes, tb123 is quite correct. There was a problem, well not so much a problem as such, but rather an issue where the light was somewhat greener than is usual for an LED light. I noticed it immediately both on both my spot spot setup and my elliptical elliptical setups.
    Blue-green tint light is the best possible tint for night lighting:

    In contrast if we consider a white light source (for example white LED) with some balanced energy peaks (or even with peaks predominantly in the blue/green regions) it will be seen that the energy output aligns more closely with the peak of the scotopic eye sensitivity curve. The net result is that the effective lumens increase as the light level reduces at night and the eye shifts to a blue/green peak sensitivity.

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