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    Well darn - two lights on thier way but no tracking info

    Got a ride next weekend and I sure hope they are around to test out

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    Well darn - two lights on thier way but no tracking info

    Got a ride next weekend and I sure hope they are around to test out

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    The USPS website is slow to update. Enter your Fed Ex smartpost tracking number at Fed Ex and you should see the most current information (as Cat has).

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    I'd love to be able and do that but still no luck on getting an email with tracking info

    Maybe i'll see something in my inbox tomorrow.......

    Looking forward to getting these out for some rides

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    I'd love to be able and do that but still no luck on getting an email with tracking info :
    It probably did not make the first dispatch of orders. I placed another order a bit after my first and it will be shipped in the next dispatch.

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    I've gotten the first set of emails for my two lights indicating hey were on their way to the US - just nothing yet after that on tracking.

    Will see how things look tomorrow

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    I have got my two gloworms...

    Have just cycled 10km along various windy roads and a couple of highways.

    First impression:

    DHL sucks. No weekend delivery and they arrive at my business address at 7am... Like I'd be there?
    I then scheduled a 6pm delivery. He came at 2:45pm.

    Boxes were crushed in the post but the internal storage pouch is reinforced and sponge and arrived in A1 perfect condition along with its contents despite the manhandling. Well done there!

    Advice: DHL sucks. Avoid if possible.

    Packaging and additional materials very nice.

    And MY GOD they are small. I mean, they almost look comical! They are really cute!

    Build of the light is excellent, sturdy and stable on both helmet and bar.

    Problem is that the double washer does not prevent the nut from loosening on the bar mount. After a couple of adjustments I'm forced to pull out my hex tool and tighten it.

    No biggie, once I've determined optical placement, I won't be adjusting them any more.

    Same cannot be said for Velcro remote "grips" though. I use shift grips (yeah yeah, I know) and can only use the velcro on the bars and not on the narrow handles. Suckmungous. Buttons keep moving in the dark, defeating
    the whole point of a remote.

    The optics look well sealed. A brief dunk in a bucket of water for both of them revealed no leaks.

    I powered them up in a dark room and bang. Room filled with light. I would say that on trail boost, the light I gauge appears ever so slightly more than the 816 (optimistically rated at 1400). I was a little disappointed and expected more.

    The initial light spread is WIDE with a capital WIDE. And I mean it. These optics are FAR wider than even the XP-E ellipticals on my 816. They are flood beams, make no mistake.

    So I swapped out the flood half and replaced with another spot.

    Unfortunately, due to an oversized solder blob, I was unable to fit the optic securely flush with the base. I also noticed that the first optic was not flush with the rear panel. I'd say that there was about a 1mm gap at the bottom of the optic, making it no longer parallel to the optic next to it.

    Anyway, with two spots there is almost no meaningful difference at a distance of 10 or so metres. I'd say, subtle at best.

    I swapped out the other lights optics for two ellipticals.

    Here the ginormous solder blob prevented me from Fitting the optic in the correct orientation no matter how hard I tried, the optic would not go flat. In the end i flattened the solder blob with my soldering gun.

    The optic still wouldn't fit and I was forced to carve out a little dent in the back of the out optical supporter in order to get it to fit... I managed with about 0.5mm of air between the backplane and the optic.

    Not too impressed. Moreover there was an abundance of heatsink paste which stuck the optics in place and made them difficult to move.

    Still The beam pattern became much more usable. Less ceiling and floor lit, wider and about the same brightness overall, but with a more diffuse hotspot.

    I took the two outside, spot spot and elliptical elliptical. Running them side by side, I'd again have to say that the difference is subtle rather than marked.

    The elliptical lacks a little forward lighting while really helping with the periphery. It is the perfect light for tight spaces. Backstreets, alleys and tight twisty paths are lit up in a glorious flood of light that practically extends 80 degrees either side without wasting too much light on the front tyre or second story windows overhead. A remarkable effort from such a small package and easily out blasts the twin xp-e floods on the 816!

    I have to say though, that I was underwhelmed with the twin spot.
    Spot is not really a word that can be used and shows the lack of maturity in the 20 something mm XM-L optics. The light is diffuse and I would say has much less throw than the OP ref P7 based 816 which is itself considered inferior to the original 808 P7 Bastid.

    Somewhat disappointed knowing that I've lost about half the forward throw of my previous light.

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    Hello

    Regarding FEDEX Smartpost

    FED EX # can also be tracked with USPS. you can either track it with FEDEX or USPS...it is a service called FEDEX SMARTPOST , which USPS will end up delivering the packages.

    Fedex delivers to the local city and then USPS handles the delivery to the customer.

    @ Ed,

    Everything has been shipped but they are some packages that we will be receiving the tracking numbers today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR;8956105

    Somewhat disappointed knowing that I've lost about half the forward throw of my previous light.

    More impressions later.


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    Hey mate, not quite the review I was looking forward to reading. Will be interesting to see what others think as they get them.
    I guess ultimately if you are not happy, there is always the 14 day (pre order) return policy to fall back on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    I have to say though, that I was underwhelmed with the twin spot.
    Spot is not really a word that can be used and shows the lack of maturity in the 20 something mm XM-L optics. The light is diffuse and I would say has much less throw than the OP ref P7 based 816 which is itself considered inferior to the original 808 P7 Bastid.

    Somewhat disappointed knowing that I've lost about half the forward throw of my previous light.

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    Hey GraXXor, thanks for the prompt thoughts.

    I am just curious about the comments re: throw vs P7. We conducted tests against the the Gemini Titan P7 and the throw was slightly better. Comparsons were also made against a 3 XPG unit (BikeRay) with the same results. (Addressed in next comment - lol)

    Also, the solder/heatsink paste issues are duely noted and will be addressed.

    In regards to the velcro for the swtich, lights will soon be delivered with a sticky velcro spots so the switch will maintain it's position whereever one chooses to place it. In the meantime a velcro spot from the local hardware shop will fix the problem of the moving switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Hey mate, not quite the review I was looking forward to reading. Will be interesting to see what others think as they get them.
    I guess ultimately if you are not happy, there is always the 14 day (pre order) return policy to fall back on....
    Rode another 8km this evening.

    I think they make a superb bar light for tight, technical rides, especially with the elliptical optics which, although perhaps a little less efficient, make use of the light more intelligently.

    The beam is so smooth, wide and and natural.

    The commuter pattern is good, especially the flash being separated.

    However I do recommend they make an entirely separate flash program, with varying levels though, since 700lm flash is almost weaponsgrade at night!

    Also I was wrong in my original assessment of their light output. They are noticeably brighter than my 816 in the open air.

    I just don't think they make such a good helmet light since the spot is so wide it's practically omnidirectional in ones visible field, which had actually been mentioned several times in this thread, just from beamshots.

    The spots are just too out of control for commuting. They seem to illuminate EVERYTHING and i received far more angry glances from pedestrians than i ever did from my 816.

    Once someone makes/finds some even half decent aspericals for it, the game will change.

    I missed my 816s beam on the dark straight highway and downhill sections, which used to illuminate out to 100m ahead without blinding me with local reflections.

    In this respect, as both a backstreet and highway light, I'd say that the 816 has it all. The Gloworms needs to rein it in a little.
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    Somehow missed the reply - email came today - thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    I just don't think they make such a good helmet light since the spot is so wide it's practically omnidirectional in ones visible field, which had actually been mentioned several times in this thread, just from beamshots.

    The spots are just too out of control for commuting. They seem to illuminate EVERYTHING and i received far more angry glances from pedestrians than i ever did from my 816.
    I was seriously considering these for a new helmet light during the pre-sale offer. Now, it seems the light is better suited for the bars. Although, there are already many good bar options out there.

    If it's a serious problem, I think Gloworm should redo their optics to have a bigger change in spot/flood beams.

    The problems you mention about fitting the optics in the light, is this just your issue or is anyone else having the same problems?

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    Oh and, user pics would be great if anyone has any!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey GraXXor, thanks for the prompt thoughts.

    I am just curious about the comments re: throw vs P7. We conducted tests against the the Gemini Titan P7 and the throw was slightly better. Comparsons were also made against a 3 XPG unit (BikeRay) with the same results. (Addressed in next comment - lol)

    Also, the solder/heatsink paste issues are duely noted and will be addressed.

    In regards to the velcro for the swtich, lights will soon be delivered with a sticky velcro spots so the switch will maintain it's position whereever one chooses to place it. In the meantime a velcro spot from the local hardware shop will fix the problem of the moving switch.

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    I have never used the gemini, but on trail boost, the X2 throw does not appear to match the P7 OP reflector based spot of the Magicshine 816. Although it beats it in absolute brightness due to the astounding breadth of the beam.

    TBH, I don't see how even a dual setup of 15 mm optics could ever hope to compete with a 37mm reflector in terms of throw. I don't think it's possible due to comparative die size:beam collector diameter and depth ratios.

    It could well be that the local brightness is actually blinding me. But in terms of seeing ahead down a dimly lit road, the 816 beats it hands down.

    Tonight I will try the Magicshine and X2 side by side on the riverbank. I found that even the dim local illumination of the 816's XP-E floods reduced night vision in this dark, flat place and rely solely on the P7 so when I come to a couple of the more sudden twists and turns in the path at up to 40kph with a tailwind, I'm glad I had time to prepare...

    Solder blob is definitely interfering with the optics... What effect would a 1mm forward displacement of the optic have on the beam? I may flatten the solder a bit more if it would help focus.

    Re, switch placement... I have already superglued a piece of velcro to my shifters... See how it holds up.

    Have you durability tested the switch. it feels rather flimsy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jase.paluzzi View Post
    I was seriously considering these for a new helmet light during the pre-sale offer. Now, it seems the light is better suited for the bars. Although, there are already many good bar options out there.

    If it's a serious problem, I think Gloworm should redo their optics to have a bigger change in spot/flood beams.

    The problems you mention about fitting the optics in the light, is this just your issue or is anyone else having the same problems?
    In general because the physical size of the XM-L die is quite large, (relative to earlier generations, XP-G, XP-E, etc.), it becomes harder if not impossible to extract a tight spot out of the physically small diameter optics that are ALSO shallow in depth. It's quite a conundrum at the moment and one that may not be easily solved in this small form factor using only optics. With the wider dispersion of light, you get caught between two undesirable scenarios: 1) either two much near field light which can have a blinding effect and reduce distance vision, or 2) a significant loss of distance projection in an effort to aim the light up slightly and alleviate the near field brightness.

    The drawbacks of a pure flood pattern are only exaggerated as the light is mounted lower to the ground, so in reality a floody pattern is most effective (read efficient) higher up on the helmet, but again unfortunately, the helmet is where you typically want to have your real distance penetration. Just my own personal observations with bike lighting in general, as I have no first hand experience with these lights.

    Concerning solder "blobs" and excess thermal paste... This is a pure quality control issue, and will only improve with tighter control of the assembly process, which shouldn't be all that difficult... that is, unless their solder technicians graduated from the school of "The Bigger the Blob, the Better the Job."

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    Well, I'm looking to be using this light bombing down through unlit roads in the Adelaide Hills at 50 - 70Kph, so hopefully it's got some distance to it. I guess I'll reserve my judgement till I receive it and give it a go.

    Possibly expecting too much out of such a small form factor, ie: the optic/ reflector size just cant punch out that much throw?

    It's interesting that you mention that there is not much difference in swapping the optics. Perhaps it is to do with them not being seated correctly as the beamshots back on page 3 or whatever shows quite a difference (spot/ flood and spot/ spot) but presumably this was from a hand made prototype
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    Gallery of Gloworm X2 Mounted on my road bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by jase.paluzzi View Post
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    Your wish is my command.

    Gloworm X2 mounted - a set on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Well, I'm looking to be using this light bombing down through unlit roads in the Adelaide Hills at 50 - 70Kph, so hopefully it's got some distance to it. I guess I'll reserve my judgement till I receive it and give it a go.

    Possibly expecting too much out of such a small form factor, ie: the optic/ reflector size just cant punch out that much throw?

    It's interesting that you mention that there is not much difference in swapping the optics. Perhaps it is to do with them not being seated correctly as the beamshots back on page 3 or whatever shows quite a difference (spot/ flood and spot/ spot) but presumably this was from a hand made prototype
    Yikes 70kph? You do know these are bicycle lights, don't you?

    Their sheer power ensures they have throw, it's just at the expense of directionality, meaning they will illuminate everything within your typical field of vision (including the underside of bridges when passing under them.)

    I guess there is a difference, but I couldn't notice it outside in the (visually) noisy sprawl of Tokyo's backstreets.

    Yes, maybe the optics aren't in properly I will have another bash at them tonight.

    Here's some pics of them mounted:

    They really are works of art... Much better than my bike deserves

    Dual Gloworm X2 setup

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Your wish is my command.

    Gloworm X2 mounted - a set on Flickr
    Quick work!
    Thanks for that. Any chance of some night time shots showing the difference between the X2 and the 816?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Your wish is my command.

    Gloworm X2 mounted - a set on Flickr
    I'm really sorry, and I get taht it's not a beauty contest, but that looks redonkulous. I actually held off from buying because of the lumen output/beam shots/ why not have a triple. I was REALLY hoping the spot reflector would turn this into a mid range thrower with some spread to help out too, but I'm thinking you need 1500+ lumen to do both well.

    Looking forward to more reviews
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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    In general because the physical size of the XM-L die is quite large, (relative to earlier generations, XP-G, XP-E, etc.), it becomes harder if not impossible to extract a tight spot out of the physically small diameter optics that are ALSO shallow in depth. It's quite a conundrum at the moment and one that may not be easily solved in this small form factor using only optics. With the wider dispersion of light, you get caught between two undesirable scenarios: 1) either two much near field light which can have a blinding effect and reduce distance vision, or 2) a significant loss of distance projection in an effort to aim the light up slightly and alleviate the near field brightness.

    The drawbacks of a pure flood pattern are only exaggerated as the light is mounted lower to the ground, so in reality a floody pattern is most effective (read efficient) higher up on the helmet, but again unfortunately, the helmet is where you typically want to have your real distance penetration. Just my own personal observations with bike lighting in general, as I have no first hand experience with these lights.
    Yes, improvements in efficiency and light output are not useful if they are wasted in the air.

    Larger dies may allow greater currents and produce more lumens, which undoubtedly sells LEDs and allows builders to stick egregious brightness claims on their products, but it's no good if this light can't be harnessed usefully. Hence you have "stuck with" the "outdated" (sorry to quote two elements in the same sentence) XP-Es with your DS-1300s. IIRC, you even called your dual 3 x XP-E a "throw monster".

    I do believe that aspherical optics (which produce an almost laser-like beam with tiddly little LEDs) are actually more usable and tunable with the P7 and XM-L die sizes. So I can hope that someone creates a nice slot-in optic for the Gloworm, although the 15mm optic size will undoubtedly be challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Quick work!
    Thanks for that. Any chance of some night time shots showing the difference between the X2 and the 816?
    Not until nighttime

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I'm really sorry, and I get taht it's not a beauty contest, but that looks redonkulous. I actually held off from buying because of the lumen output/beam shots/ why not have a triple. I was REALLY hoping the spot reflector would turn this into a mid range thrower with some spread to help out too, but I'm thinking you need 1500+ lumen to do both well.

    Looking forward to more reviews
    Redonkulous? There's a new one Is that "good" redonkulous or "bad" redonkulous?

    1500 lumens? Hmm... I tried both X2 on at the same time (Double spots on commuter boost 1000 lumens) and Double Elliptical on Trail Boost (1200 lumens). And Jeez Louise, I actually had to stop and burst out laughing! It's a serious WALL OF LIGHT. The white walls of the buildings, chrome car bumpers, reflective road signs, whitewashed culverts and other highlights were actually painful to look at. These little critters are BRIGHT. A woman with a dog came round the corner and literally froze before I turned the lights down.

    TBH I was quite content with the commuter boost (1000lm) on the ellipticals alone, except that near field was a bit too bright for comfort when it reflected off of anything.

    1000 real lumens is a really nice amount of light unless you're on a straight road patched with ice in the pitch black and bombing along. (like I was). 1200 is even better.

    I think, that with a tighter optic, 1200lumens intelligently used would be very adequate, which seems to be a consensus among a number of home builders. Just upping the lumens will do nothing other than blind bystanders and the rider him/herself even more.

    BTW... It doesn't use reflectors, it uses plastic optics...

    'nother review coming after tonight's ride along the riverbank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Yes, improvements in efficiency and light output are not useful if they are wasted in the air.

    Larger dies may allow greater currents and produce more lumens, which undoubtedly sells LEDs and allows builders to stick egregious brightness claims on their products, but it's no good if this light can't be harnessed usefully. Hence you have "stuck with" the "outdated" (sorry to quote two elements in the same sentence) XP-Es with your DS-1300s. IIRC, you even called your dual 3 x XP-E a "throw monster".

    I do believe that aspherical optics (which produce an almost laser-like beam with tiddly little LEDs) are actually more usable and tunable with the P7 and XM-L die sizes. So I can hope that someone creates a nice slot-in optic for the Gloworm, although the 15mm optic size will undoubtedly be challenging.
    I think you described it quite well. I'm actually quite excited about the XP-E's that I'm "stuck" with, given that they're an exceedingly rare high-output bin. They were so outside the normal sigma that they (CREE) didn't even include them in the literature. In the small form factor lights, they really are hard to beat for sheer throw, but tell that to the XML marketeers. I think Troutie's been playing around with some asphericals here lately, so there's just no telling what he might come up with.

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    Slightly off topic, sorry...

    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    I think you described it quite well. I'm actually quite excited about the XP-E's that I'm "stuck" with, given that they're an exceedingly rare high-output bin. They were so outside the normal sigma that they (CREE) didn't even include them in the literature. In the small form factor lights, they really are hard to beat for sheer throw, but tell that to the XML marketeers. I think Troutie's been playing around with some asphericals here lately, so there's just no telling what he might come up with.
    I looked again at the dies of my 816's XP-E side pods... They are TINY, literally like pinpricks of light. I think they're really impressive considering the area they cover.

    How on earth did you get unbinned LEDs from CREE? OK... I don't want to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    I looked again at the dies of my 816's XP-E side pods... They are TINY, literally like pinpricks of light. I think they're really impressive considering the area they cover.

    How on earth did you get unbinned LEDs from CREE? OK... I don't want to know
    Sheer dumb luck on my part... except that I've had the privilege of working with some super nice folks at Luxdrive and LEDsupply who really set me up. Highly recommend both of these companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post

    Problem is that the double washer does not prevent the nut from loosening on the bar mount. After a couple of adjustments I'm forced to pull out my hex tool and tighten it.
    Hey GraXXor,

    Try lubing the o-rings in slicone grease or cooking oil, this will help the bearing surface work as it was designed to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    I have got my two gloworms...

    So I swapped out the flood half and replaced with another spot.

    Unfortunately, due to an oversized solder blob, I was unable to fit the optic securely flush with the base. I also noticed that the first optic was not flush with the rear panel. I'd say that there was about a 1mm gap at the bottom of the optic, making it no longer parallel to the optic next to it.

    Not too impressed. Moreover there was an abundance of heatsink paste which stuck the optics in place and made them difficult to move.

    Still The beam pattern became much more usable. Less ceiling and floor lit, wider and about the same brightness overall, but with a more diffuse hotspot.

    I took the two outside, spot spot and elliptical elliptical. Running them side by side, I'd again have to say that the difference is subtle rather than marked.

    I have to say though, that I was underwhelmed with the twin spot.
    Spot is not really a word that can be used and shows the lack of maturity in the 20 something mm XM-L optics. The light is diffuse and I would say has much less throw than the OP ref P7 based 816 which is itself considered inferior to the original 808 P7 Bastid.
    Well, after a couple of night rides, i replaced the wide optic with the spot one, so i have two spots in now. I really don't now if you need a wide optic for a any bike use. As another member wrote, xm-l's size makes it really difficult for optics to provide a tight beam, however you get a very even distribution of light and a REALLY tiny build. Moreover, placing the light as high as you can, reduces the spread, be it on the bars (you can position the mount totally vertical) or the helmet. I suppose we could try some even tighter optics in there, but the lack of depth is the issue with throw.
    Practically, i see it as mostly a bar light, for general use and with a thrower light of same brightness it is a great trairiding combo. I used a triple xpg on the helmet....

    About optics placement, i rotated the little optic until the solder blob found it's place under it. I don't understand how the wide optic did fit and the narrow doesn't though.....

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    Re not fitting optics... The initial optics did not fit either and have marked the inside of the plastic cover due to pressure, I suppose.

    As for the elliptical optics, they can't be rotated so I was forced to hollow out a little hole in the optic holder frame (not the optic itself) to match the solder blob.
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    Graxxor, thanks for the continual updates.

    WRT to XML emitters and optics I can't share any personal experience as of yet but know that the older XRE's and XPGs worked well when used in conjunction with optics especially when light engine volume is an issue. Granted the depth and width dimension of the X2 light head might not prove feasible with old school style reflectors but the XML and reflector combo as found on the 2012 Baja Design models work splendidly.

    As Peter suggested earlier, you can blast out a huge amount of OTF lumens but how that is managed and translated by the actual reflector or optic into a beam pattern usable to the rider is becoming of greater importance.

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    Another Night

    No beamshots I'm afriad... it's 1 deg. C outside and I'm buggered if I can be bothered to whip out my tripod and DSLR in such a frigid clime.
    ANyway.. Just cycled about 8k, flipping between the elliptical and the spot.

    To confirm: The elliptical appears far brighter at road level than the "spot".

    I was parked in the carpark of my apartment and with the commuter flash set on to a spot lens setup. I started it flashing. I was less than 20m from the building, but I swear that the top (11th) floor lit up.

    The spot beam is practically wasted in the city. The elliptical beam seemed to be equally blinding to pedestrians, but it does keep the light where needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Redonkulous? There's a new one Is that "good" redonkulous or "bad" redonkulous?

    1500 lumens? Hmm... I tried both X2 on at the same time (Double spots on commuter boost 1000 lumens) and Double Elliptical on Trail Boost (1200 lumens). And Jeez Louise, I actually had to stop and burst out laughing! It's a serious WALL OF LIGHT. The white walls of the buildings, chrome car bumpers, reflective road signs, whitewashed culverts and other highlights were actually painful to look at. These little critters are BRIGHT. A woman with a dog came round the corner and literally froze before I turned the lights down.

    TBH I was quite content with the commuter boost (1000lm) on the ellipticals alone, except that near field was a bit too bright for comfort when it reflected off of anything.

    1000 real lumens is a really nice amount of light unless you're on a straight road patched with ice in the pitch black and bombing along. (like I was). 1200 is even better.

    I think, that with a tighter optic, 1200lumens intelligently used would be very adequate, which seems to be a consensus among a number of home builders. Just upping the lumens will do nothing other than blind bystanders and the rider him/herself even more.

    BTW... It doesn't use reflectors, it uses plastic optics...

    'nother review coming after tonight's ride along the riverbank.
    Yep, 1100 lumen is adequate with my homebuilt quazzle on the helmet solo. I'd prefer more light, but it's adequate. Of course, we may be using them for different purposes. I use mine for AM trail riding and light freeride. All the 'features' I blast off in the day take on a whole new feeling at night.
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    Hey GraXXor,

    Try lubing the o-rings in slicone grease or cooking oil, this will help the bearing surface work as it was designed to do.

    Cheers

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    Just got my first unit in. Mine is very loose as well no matter how much finger force I use. I'll try cooking oil later but it already looks like there's something greasy on it. Btw guys, these lights are smaller then they appear from the photos in this thread. Gonna go for a ride later once the battery is charged up Too bad I don't have my MagicShine clones anymore for a direct beam shot comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey GraXXor,

    Try lubing the o-rings in slicone grease or cooking oil, this will help the bearing surface work as it was designed to do.

    Cheers

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    Tried with machine oil, but the oil just made the screw come loose more easily. Still, I've tightened it up and set the position now, so hopefully no messing around any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    Just got my first unit in. Mine is very loose as well no matter how much finger force I use. I'll try cooking oil later but it already looks like there's something greasy on it. Btw guys, these lights are smaller then they appear from the photos in this thread. Gonna go for a ride later once the battery is charged up Too bad I don't have my MagicShine clones anymore for a direct beam shot comparison.
    I own them and still find it difficult to judge the size. I'd say they're about the same size as my cateye wireless bike computer but twice as thick.

    Seriously tiny. I think I should add a whole bike picture to show just how small, it's hard to judge from seeing just the bar pics.

    I will try to get some beamshots with the 816 tonight.
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    Another observation is the front window which covers the two optics is made from a thin sheet of light plastic rather than glass, and looks easy to scratch. I can see them really getting scratched up by wiping off mud and dirt... Mine have already been marked on the insides by the rough edges of the plastic optics.

    This will not be a big issue if they provide cheap spares in the future, though.

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    Hello,

    @Gloworm : The DHL number is wrong. May you send me the right number in private mail ?

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    This FedEx "Smart post" tracking is beginning to bother me. It keeps telling me the shipment will arrive Friday but the parcel hasn't moved since Monday.
    Sure would be nice to see an "In transit" indicator.

    Meanwhile, Bossman is screwing with me by scheduling an early meeting for Friday. Not to mention changing my planned daily schedule around as well. I still don't know who to expect at my door even if I am lucky enough to be home when they come knocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Meanwhile, Bossman is screwing with me by scheduling an early meeting for Friday. Not to mention changing my planned daily schedule around as well. I still don't know who to expect at my door even if I am lucky enough to be home when they come knocking.
    Its USPS. They'll just leave it at the door (at least that's what they did in my case along with something else I mail ordered via USPS the other day). Mine came yesterday - very tiny and powerful but I won't have a chance to try it on the trail right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    This FedEx "Smart post" tracking is beginning to bother me. It keeps telling me the shipment will arrive Friday but the parcel hasn't moved since Monday.
    Sure would be nice to see an "In transit" indicator.

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    Same here. I tried tracking my package yesterday, and according to DHL's web tracker, the parcel hasn't left hongkong. But lo and behold, the package arrived on my doorstep today.

    Excellent light btw. Nice build quality all through out. Love the remote switch. I'd wish that they added a plastic loop at the end of the battery strap to make it more tight and secure. Bottomline, i'm happy with the X2.

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    You guys should consider yourself lucky if you received your light or will be receiving this week. Mine package left on Jan 27. It was picked up in a small town in NJ, then reached Keasbey,NJ, followed by Edison,NJ. It reached Allentown, Pa yesterday. Today it is in Martinsburg,WV.

    Good grief! That's 5 city so far and it still in the east coast. By the time it gets here to CA, the package will probably be all crush. I get stuff from KD domain faster than this.

    BTW, it was shipped Jan 27 and schedule for delivery Feb 8. I'm thinking this is kind of slow plus all the extra handling is excessive for a light, but thank God the lens is plastic as reported.

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    My package is making a bunch of stops by fedex. The package is a three and a half hour drive away right now, but apparently it will take them another 5 days to get here according to their estimated delivery date. My package went to a lot of the same stops as colleen c's did and the estimated delivery date is the Jan 6, but I live in NY. As long as it arrives in in working condition I will be happy though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen c View Post
    You guys should consider yourself lucky if you received your light or will be receiving this week. Mine package left on Jan 27. It was picked up in a small town in NJ, then reached Keasbey,NJ, followed by Edison,NJ. It reached Allentown, Pa yesterday. Today it is in Martinsburg,WV.

    Good grief! That's 5 city so far and it still in the east coast. By the time it gets here to CA, the package will probably be all crush. I get stuff from KD domain faster than this.

    BTW, it was shipped Jan 27 and schedule for delivery Feb 8. I'm thinking this is kind of slow plus all the extra handling is excessive for a light, but thank God the lens is plastic as reported.
    Same story here, also coming to California (but scheduled for Feb 7, we shall see). I've never seen anything like the route this package it taking! So far, it's like they are delivering by bicycle (which would actually be pretty cool if it really was by bike instead of just seeming like it). It doesn't really matter what route it takes as long as it gets here, but it is amusing trying to imagine the logic behind the routing.

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    Any word on the lights for aus/nz yet?

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    Hello guys,

    Regarding the packages we were expecting it to be with you on Monday or Tuesday according to our drop shipper. Unfortunately this is not happening now. We can blame him but still not much will change.

    It seems that we all have to wait. Those lights were shipped from our hands on the 18th and still they are not with you so we can share the same frustration.

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    At least the people with 'correct' tracking numbers can see where the lights are - my tracking number doesn't seem to work so I'll just hope for the best and see them at work one of these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchael View Post
    Same here. I tried tracking my package yesterday, and according to DHL's web tracker, the parcel hasn't left hongkong. But lo and behold, the package arrived on my doorstep today.

    Excellent light btw. Nice build quality all through out. Love the remote switch. I'd wish that they added a plastic loop at the end of the battery strap to make it more tight and secure. Bottomline, i'm happy with the X2.
    Yeah, international DHL is like that when coming out of HongKong. No tracking whatsoever.

    posted by syadasti:

    ...Its USPS. They'll just leave it at the door (at least that's what they did in my case along with something else I mail ordered via USPS the other day). Mine came yesterday - very tiny and powerful but I won't have a chance to try it on the trail right away.
    It depends then on whither it's "priority mail" or not. If it's priority mail it will have to be signed for. If not and the package is small enough the postman will leave it in my ( locked ) mailbox. Either way I hope it comes by Friday. Too bad it didn't come today or yesterday because temperatures right now are in the fifties (F). With my luck when it arrives the temperature will drop 10 degrees and be raining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purt View Post
    Any word on the lights for aus/nz yet?
    Hey Purt

    I will definetly receive the NZ/AUS Lights tomorrow morning and will send immediately on receipt. I'll then get them out to you by 2-3 day EMS Courier to Aus and overnight to NZ addresses.

    To those in NZ or AUS I will have some extra stock here in NZ so can send immediately on order from tomorrow.

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    Received my light safe and sound as of Jan 31st in Toronto Canada. Upon running down the battery and recharging it overnight, the battery indicator only shows 80% charged when fresh pulled from wall plug. Is anyone experiencing a similar issue?

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    Yep, same here, i received it last week and have charged it fully but still remains at the 80% level....
    I havn't tried going out on a full charge for a couple of hours and running it down though, the problem is probably just with the battery guage circuit not the batterys themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyfish View Post
    Yep, same here, i received it last week and have charged it fully but still remains at the 80% level....
    I havn't tried going out on a full charge for a couple of hours and running it down though, the problem is probably just with the battery guage circuit not the batterys themselves.
    Perhaps with some spare time, I can time the output to get a better indicator to your theory. I do hope you're right

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    I've also noticed the gauge changes depending on the mode so it probably depends on the current for the indicator circuit level and relates to how its programmed rather than a battery capacity problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    I've also noticed the gauge changes depending on the mode so it probably depends on the current for the indicator circuit level and relates to how its programmed rather than a battery capacity problem.
    It appears not to be the case as I had tried all 3 light settings with the same results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    It appears not to be the case as I had tried all 3 light settings with the same results.
    When the battery level is discharged quite a bit to about 40-50% and you change to the lowest mode it goes back to higher indicator level because its monitoring the voltage which also relates to run-time. Its still likely a programming related bug the threshold for 100% needs to be changed.

    Cellphones have programming issues like this all the time for signal bar strength as its an arbitrary analog indicator for a number value.

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    As for the thread of the bolt , which tights the holder be it for helmet, be it for the bars, you could , instead of oil , you could try teflon thread tape for plumpers , to make it tightier and without using , let's say , thread lock glue ...

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    In Vancouver, BC Canada I received my light on Jan 31st, after a little bit of of hijinks for a day with DHL courier. Not too bad though.

    Love the light so far just breaking it out of the package and setting it up on my bike, but first trail ride is tonight! Bar mount for now (default spot+flood config), with Gemini Xera (spot) on helmet. I was thinking of putting a bit of carbon assembly paste around the o-rings to give a bit of friction for the bolt, but with bar setup once I set the approximate angle and then tighten with hex I can rotate the mount footing on the bar anyhow to fine tune the angle so it's not really a concern for me.

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    Hey

    It's good to see everyone is finally getting their lights - albeit with a few teething problems.

    It's also great to hear all the positive feedback.

    Be assured we are taking these teething problems onboard and working frantically to sort these issues before we head into larger scale production.

    Some issues are easy fixed and as mentioned are QC problems. Others, which some people consider an issue and others do not will be assessed over time (throw, beam spread etc).

    Mounting Bolt
    PROBLEM SOLVED!

    The issue was the o-ring between the mount and the housing. The one that was provided with the light is a little too small. 0.68mm to be exact.

    To remedy this all it takes a quick trip to the hardware store to pickup 1 x O-ring #105 (ID 5/32 OD 11/32 Thickness (CS) 3/32). This will slip tightley over the small stub axle on the mount and provide the right amount of pressure for the screw and mount to move together without loosening.

    Result - mount/screw and outer o-ring move independently to the inner o-ring and housing. The inner o-ring is essentially the bearing surface/provides friction and pressure to ensure the screw does not loosen.

    When tightening the screw, this needs to be done with a tool until firm - I would supply a torque rating but my wrench is out of action!

    Once set, it should be good until you need to change the mounts to switch between helmet/bar.

    I hope that's clear. If not, just try the difference is amazing!

    New lights should be supplied with the slightly larger o-ring.


    Battery Indication
    We have had a few reports of the battery gauge indication dropping immediately to 80%. We have completed some additional testing and have found some imperfections in the inidcation circuit. This is separate to the overcharging circuit so there is no safety issues there. You will also notice that depending on the current being drawn the level will also change. The battery still takes a full charge and exhibits the reliabilty of the panasonic cells from which it is built. The indication will still show the discharge trend, however it is not as accurate as we anticipated during tests.

    Please also remember that the light itself will warn the user when the battery reaches critical voltage by emmitting a flash sequence.

    Development We have sourced a new battery management chip similar to that in most cellphones, however it is not constant - it learns as the light is used. The inidcation will also be changed to time based and will obviously change depending on the current being drawn. Much more user friendly.

    Soldering/Thermal Paste
    The issue being expereienced here is directly linked to QC (Quality Control). This will addressed.

    Switch Velcro
    The current soluition works well in some scenarios, however in others it's not so user-friendly. We will be supplying adhesive velcro dots in the future to assist with the placement of the switch.

    Shipping
    Chinese NY really provided us with a challenge. We now have stock in the US and NZ for shipping withing 24hrs of order. Depending on location from these locations it should now take a max of 5 days for delivery. Additionally we are working with some distributors in the USA/AUS/UK so the X2 will be available through these supply lines in the future.

    Beam
    This has been a good topic of discussion and one that will always be had when talking about lights. Some posters have stated what we discovered during testing and optic selection - in such a small package it is hard to get a huge throw and also difficult to focus the beam. We felt that the dual spot solution is a good comprimise between the both - this is not just based on 'wall testing'. The beam was thoroughly tested at my local trails which involve tight/open/fast/slow tracks, plus drops and jumps. However my fellow testers and I are not everyone.

    Development We will continue to develop and investigate possible solutions to improve the light and this includes the beam - both spread and throw (Continual development/improvement is the key - is it not?). Investigation and development will continue.

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    Almost forgot to mention that I was interested to see how the remote could be placed in a user-friendly fashion with my grip shift setup (a previous poster had expressed concern). I wrapped the supplied thin width velcro around my brake clamp (X-ed over from one side of the clamp to the other). Puts the remote in a perfect position where I can keep my hand on the grip and easily/quickly slide my thumb over the lip of the shifter housing to operate the remote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
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    The current solution works well in some scenarios, however in others it's not so user-friendly. We will be supplying adhesive velcro dots in the future to assist with the placement of the switch.

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    If you having a problem with the remote button slipping around the bar, try wrapping the bar with friction tape. (it's what they wrap baseball bats with for better grip) This also works great where the light mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post

    Beam
    This has been a good topic of discussion and one that will always be had when talking about lights. Some posters have stated what we discovered during testing and optic selection - in such a small package it is hard to get a huge throw and also difficult to focus the beam. We felt that the dual spot solution is a good comprimise between the both - this is not just based on 'wall testing'. The beam was thoroughly tested at my local trails which involve tight/open/fast/slow tracks, plus drops and jumps. However my fellow testers and I are not everyone.

    Development We will continue to develop and investigate possible solutions to improve the light and this includes the beam - both spread and throw (even in our eyes it could be better!). Investigation and development will continue.

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    Bruce, Thanks for all the feedback.

    I haven't gotten my X2 yet but when it comes I'll be sure to give you some feedback concerning the beam pattern issue ( whither it be good or bad ). I have lots of stuff to compare it with including two standard drop-in XM-L torches and of course a Bikeray IV.
    If I get good *usable throw out to 100ft while on the bars I will be happy. Anything beyond that will be icing on the cake. ( I really am not hard to please )

    ( *usable throw = the ability of a lamp to clearly illuminate a known obstacle or trail feature at a set distance. )

    Note: Almost all of my drop-in torches will throw ( usable throw ) out to 150ft when on high. I really don't expect the X2 to match this because of the size of the X2's optics however I am hopefully that it will exceed my expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    Received my light safe and sound as of Jan 31st in Toronto Canada. Upon running down the battery and recharging it overnight, the battery indicator only shows 80% charged when fresh pulled from wall plug. Is anyone experiencing a similar issue?
    Yep, same problem here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey

    Battery Indication
    We have had a few reports of the battery gauge indication dropping immediately to 80%. We have completed some additional testing and have found some imperfections in the inidcation circuit. This is separate to the overcharging circuit so there is no safety issues there. You will also notice that depending on the current being drawn the level will also change. The battery still takes a full charge and exhibits the reliabilty of the panasonic cells from which it is built. The indication will still show the discharge trend, however it is not as accurate as we anticipated during tests.

    Please also remember that the light itself will warn the user when the battery reaches critical voltage by emmitting a flash sequence.

    NZ
    *Don't rule out taking a look at your charger... same type of tolerance issues can occur there. It's not unreasonable to see some variation in the amount of "full charge" that the charger "thinks" it has just put on the battery. Using a "learning" fuel gauge may only mask a problem with the charger and result in shorter-than-expected run times despite the "full" indication.

    *Is the flash sequence a one-time event or does it occur continually once the threshold is crossed? If you happen to be bombing down hill at the time with this as the only light (not a good idea by the way) would the rider have issues navigating with the flash sequence? How much time remains after the "critical voltage" warning. What happens if you try to turn the light back on after it has automatically shut off?

    Good move on the silicon o-rings... nitrile hates ozone and UV.

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    Hey,

    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    *Don't rule out taking a look at your charger... same type of tolerance issues can occur there. It's not unreasonable to see some variation in the amount of "full charge" that the charger "thinks" it has just put on the battery. Using a "learning" fuel gauge may only mask a problem with the charger and result in shorter-than-expected run times despite the "full" indication.
    Good suggestion. Have had the engineers check out the charger and it's 100% spot on. Plus actual runtime tests have exceeded our quoted runtimes by abnout 10% in most cases. Whilst no a huge problem, it still is an inconvenience that we are working to provide a better solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    *Is the flash sequence a one-time event or does it occur continually once the threshold is crossed? If you happen to be bombing down hill at the time with this as the only light (not a good idea by the way) would the rider have issues navigating with the flash sequence? How much time remains after the "critical voltage" warning. What happens if you try to turn the light back on after it has automatically shut off?

    Good move on the silicon o-rings... nitrile hates ozone and UV.
    The flash sequence is a quick sequence that occurs once. It is not an off/on/off flash but a low/high/low sequence just enough for the user to recognise and take action if required.

    At this stage the light will begin to drop current slowly dimming the light until shut-off voltage (6.2v) is reached. If left the process takes apprx 5min.

    Alternatively if the user manually lowers the power (current) of the light after the flash sequence, the light will remain at that set brightness until the programmed battery voltage vs set power level current is acehieved - it will then commence the automatic current drop.

    If the light shuts off automatically, it will stay shut off unless the battery voltage suddenly rises above the threshold of 6.2v (unlikely).

    Moral of the story here....always carry a spare battery or light - just in case!
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    Good job! X2 Beamshots at last.

    I have been enjoying my X2s this week. Trying them out every night, even though its only 1C outside and the wind is at 20 - 30 kph!

    I have the beamshots for the following:

    X2 with spot^2
    X2 with elliptical^2

    Just for fun, both X2s at the same time.

    For comparison: Magicshine MJ-816 (original P7 version).

    X2s were set to trail programme.

    X2 Beamshot Gallery

    Photos were taken here looking in a West by Northwest direction along the path closest to the river. The trees on the right of the path are visible in the photos.

    The place where the path splits is approximately 120m ahead from where the photo was taken and is clearly visible in the picture with both X2s on simultaneously.

    Camera settings:

    Due to strong wind buffeting the camera, I was forced to modify the settings slightly (but of course maintained the same exposure value. So apologies for the double vision in some of the shots.

    Anyway:

    Nikon D7000, natural rendition, long expose noise reduction (mild), Active D-Lighting off.

    F4 3 sec ISO 200 sunlight (c.f. std. settings F4 6 sec ISO 100)

    Lens is 28mm on Nikon DX sensor, cropping factor of 1.5 making 35mm film equiv. 42mm focal length. (just a little wider than "natural vision")

    The camera was located 2.5m behind the light heads and elevated 50cm above the plane of light.

    Notable Distance Markers:


    On the left of the path, there are spaced poles, about 3m apart.

    The first pole visible on the left is 6m in front of the bike.

    The fence posts on the right are 2.2 m apart.

    The path itself is a touch under 8m wide. The Centre line is 60cm wide.

    There are three tall, pale pink flags visible to the left. The nearest is at 30m, the second 60m and the third, 120m flag is located right in the middle of the photos, at the point where the path splits, between the two routes.

    Observations:

    I stand corrected regarding the subtlety of the differences between the dual-spots and the dual-ellipticals. There is a difference between the two beams, although it's still not that visible when moving in a crowded environment.

    Dual spot is of course more forward throwing with less peripheral light.

    However, the gain in throw from the dual spot does not seem as significant as the increase in local lighting gained by the elliptical lenses.

    The key differences are clearly visible at 100 - 300 and 900 lm where the elliptical lens light seems brighter and wider without compromising much throw.

    On boost settings, however, the ultimate lack of throw of the ellipticals is obvious.

    Notice that the "spot" lens illuminates the very top of the second tree on the right of the photos, whereas the elliptical lens illuminates the top of the first tree!

    These throw really wide beams.

    For comparison, I added a three shots with my trusty old 816.

    One can see that the 816 is far tamer and more controlled. The ellipticals keep the light in a nice, tight, horizontal band which is very usable on roads with oncoming bike and foot traffic. Notice how tight the spot beam from the central P7 is.

    The last two photos are cropped from the main series and show the throws of the spot-spot on Boost and the 816 with both flood and spot on.

    It is clear that the 816 has greater throw, which is surprising, since the X2 was claimed to have better throw than the Titan, which has equivalent throw to the 808 which is known to be better than the 816... (if you follow )

    Light color is a little warmer, and feels green tinged for some reason after coming from the P7 & XP-Es.

    Stuff not in the photos:

    I love their size, the build quality, their ergonomics and the ease with which one can change the program from, say, commuter to trail.

    Two of them on the bars is an insane amount of light... Just for fun I stuck both on boost and
    ran to the other end of the practically unlit carpark, as I ran, my shadow was cast right up to the 11th floor of the apartment at the far end of the carpark like a ginormous shadow puppet.

    When I turned around, it looked like a scene from Close Encounters of the The Third Kind. I could literally see nothing but the lights. Serious overkill on the road and quite dangerous, I'm sure.

    Back to reality, though, the elliptical^2 set to commuter flash is seriously attention-grabbing at even the busiest of junctions, so that is going to stay on my bars for good.

    However, the lack of throw and control compared to the cheap-shite 816 is somewhat disappointing so I'm going to have to consider what to do next, since using the fugly 816 AND another light is just silly.

    Anyway... better get back to work... Let me know if you have any questions or want me to retake some photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Almost forgot to mention that I was interested to see how the remote could be placed in a user-friendly fashion with my grip shift setup (a previous poster had expressed concern). I wrapped the supplied thin width velcro around my brake clamp (X-ed over from one side of the clamp to the other). Puts the remote in a perfect position where I can keep my hand on the grip and easily/quickly slide my thumb over the lip of the shifter housing to operate the remote.
    I can't follow... Do you have a shot of the set-up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Good suggestion. Have had the engineers check out the charger and it's 100% spot on. Plus actual runtime tests have exceeded our quoted runtimes by abnout 10% in most cases. Whilst no a huge problem, it still is an inconvenience that we are working to provide a better solution.

    The flash sequence is a quick sequence that occurs once. It is not an off/on/off flash but a low/high/low sequence just enough for the user to recognise and take action if required.

    At this stage the light will begin to drop current slowly dimming the light until shut-off voltage (6.2v) is reached. If left the process takes apprx 5min.
    Good info to know.
    I assume "the charger" that was tested was only a single sample? I'm just saying, you might only have 1 out of 50 that's marginally bad, so it might be worth a bit of "random" spot testing out of a larger lot, which you may have already done. I'm sure the folks who'd want to use separate batteries without a power meter might appreciate a bit longer than 5 minutes warning. Just a thought.

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    So those of you that have tried the X2, do you recommend it?

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    Hey,

    We've had a bit of feedback saying the light is much smaller than it looks in the pictures.

    Here is shot that hopefully helps out the perception...



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    edit: don't worry

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    Bruce, it looks like there are a quite a few issues with the new X2. When, realistically will these issues be addressed and should I hold off my purchase until later? Are you going to notify us of when each of the issues are fixed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    I have been enjoying my X2s this week. Trying them out every night, even though its only 1C outside and the wind is at 20 - 30 kph!

    I have the beamshots for the following:

    X2 with spot^2
    X2 with elliptical^2

    Just for fun, both X2s at the same time.

    For comparison: Magicshine MJ-816 (original P7 version).

    X2s were set to trail programme.

    X2 Beamshot Gallery



    ...... the lack of throw and control compared to the cheap-shite 816 is somewhat disappointing so I'm going to have to consider what to do next, since using the fugly 816 AND another light is just silly.

    Anyway... better get back to work... Let me know if you have any questions or want me to retake some photos.
    GraXXor, Thanks for taking the time to do the beam photos. I agree with most of your observations. The MJ-816 is well known for it's decent over-all beam pattern. Since the main P-7 is using a good size reflector, it is not surprising that it has the better throw.

    It was difficult to judge the distance on the spot/spot photo of the X2. What I did was look to the left and count the poles to the point were I felt it had it's maximum ( usable) throw.
    I estimated it to be about 33 meters ( or 108 ft. ) Though not fantastically impressive throw wise, it should make a decent bar lamp. I couldn't help but notice the surface of the trail there. It looks like it's painted gray. In comparison the grass to the left appeared to be lit up much better, which of course is somewhat strange. Perhaps the grey trail is not so great for night riding (?)

    I think one of things that Gloworm might look into is replacing the optics with custom reflectors. That or a combo, one reflector , one optic...that just might do it. Also it was mentioned that there is a secondary clear lens outside the optic. That would not be good for maximum light output. Basically just another mm or so of material for the light to have to pass through. Nope, do away with the optics ( or at least one ) and replace with a good reflector that uses an outer lens that has a reflective-free coating. When I get mine I might see if I can retro-fit a reflector myself. I have a nice 20mm reflector on one of my Yezi XM-L torches....do you think that would fit?

    Anyway, I should have mine by next Tuesday according to the recent FedEx smartpost update. Bad enough they had it moved to three different places in NJ, then it went to Pa. and NOW it's in transit to where I live. ( note, the original N.J. location was about 200 miles away! ) So far its taken over a week to go half that distance. I'm a patient fellow but this is killing me. ( FedEx...you suck.. ) If this had been sent "Priority Mail " via USPS I would of had it last Wednesday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jase.paluzzi View Post
    So those of you that have tried the X2, do you recommend it?
    I have ridden over 100km with two of them on the bars now and I really love them.

    The ergonomics are top notch. The multiple modes are really easy to use and changing between them is straightforward and you can learn to do it in about 10 seconds.

    The versatility and interchangeability of the lenses just adds to the fun and interest of this light unit.

    The o-ring is really tightfitting and in my experience hasn't shifted at all although I don't ride much off-road but I imagine it's far more stable than some of the larger heavier lights.

    The Velcro bits which come with the power switch are not that useful but with some glue-backed Velcro, things are much better.

    The side bolts do tend to come loose a little bit from time to time but I have found that now I've picked the correct angle that I like to use for my rides I have no more need to adjust it any more and have just set the bolt tight and left it.

    When judged as a bar floodlight, I would have to give it 10 out of 10.

    The amount of light is absolutely massive for such a tiny package and the beam is full and smooth over its entire range.

    The pricing of this unit is really keen and well-placed I think it's perfectly poised to pick up the low end of the market and have basically a lot of it to itself.

    Paired with a decent spotlight of your choosing on the helmet and I think you've got the perfect setup for a reasonable price.

    Finally the unit is just really fun to use. I don't know why but I prefer it to over my other lights. Just on its styling and appearance it really is a great night to have on the bars, it takes a very little space weighs very little and is one of the least intrusive lights I've seen.

    To be honest, what makes this all the more remarkable is the fact that it's still just a 1.0 release product which means that it's the first of its kind. And I'm sure things are you going to get better for the Gloworm X2 versions say 1.1 1.2 in the future. All I can say is that I'm really looking forward to future developments and I think Gloworm is going to be a company to keep your eyes on.

    Moreover although there won't be any data on durability for some time, from reading the feedback and so on that the members of the Gloworm team have put on this forum I have come to the conclusion that this is a company we can trust, and can trust them to stand behind their products and provide support going into the future.

    So, can I recommend this light? Of course I can, I give it a full hearted recommendation.

    I'm sitting here writing this rather than going out for a ride... So I'm going to get my lights on my bike and head off again for another ride. The nights-a-waiting and 'tis dark outside!
    Click the thumbs up button if you have a thumb...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    It was difficult to judge the distance on the spot/spot photo of the X2. What I did was look to the left and count the poles to the point were I felt it had it's maximum ( usable) throw.
    I estimated it to be about 33 meters ( or 108 ft. ) Though not fantastically impressive throw wise, it should make a decent bar lamp. I couldn't help but notice the surface of the trail there. It looks like it's painted gray. In comparison the grass to the left appeared to be lit up much better, which of course is somewhat strange. Perhaps the grey trail is not so great for night riding (?)

    I think one of things that Gloworm might look into is replacing the optics with custom reflectors. That or a combo, one reflector , one optic...that just might do it. Also it was mentioned that there is a secondary clear lens outside the optic. That would not be good for maximum light output. Basically just another mm or so of material for the light to have to pass through. Nope, do away with the optics ( or at least one ) and replace with a good reflector that uses an outer lens that has a reflective-free coating. When I get mine I might see if I can retro-fit a reflector myself. I have a nice 20mm reflector on one of my Yezi XM-L torches....do you think that would fit?
    I judged it usable a little further out, say 36 - 40m... reasonable but not ideal for a spot.

    As for the color of the track, it's fairly new tarmac, same as any newly repaired road. It actually looks darker in daylight than it does in the photo. Just looks grey from the extreme lighting, I guess. Yes, the grass is far brighter than the tarmac In Japan, grass in winter is mostly yell and ivory, very little verdant green. I took the beamshots from a road-rider's perspective, since that's the sort of terrain I use it in most.

    I'd love a couple of reflectors in it, I measure the optics themselves to be about 17mm, held in a kind of plastic frame, so totally just over 20mm, I'd say.

    More shots coming soon.

    I really *am* going out for a ride now... I'm taking my D7000, Tripod, pair of X2s and heading into Tokyo for some "real" road riding!

    Expect some serious urban terrain for the next batch.

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    Hey, does that Nikon shoot video, thats something I'd like to see!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    hopefully helps out the perception...
    My main perception is still this product being a shameless and blatant copy of the Lupine Piko ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    My main perception is still this product being a shameless and blatant copy of the Lupine Piko ...
    there are only so many ways you can arrange 2 LEDs in a small format. Calling this a Lupine Piko ripoff is like calling Easton EA90 wheels ripoffs of Mavic Crossmaxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    there are only so many ways you can arrange 2 LEDs in a small format. Calling this a Lupine Piko ripoff is like calling Easton EA90 wheels ripoffs of Mavic Crossmaxes.
    Yes, that was the very same lame reply from gloworm themselves in the german Lupine forum, BTW an astoningly fast reply within hours on the same question if the X2 was not just a Piko clone. Did not know they monitor foreign language forums so close ...

    Nevertheless, if it was so, how comes that 2 other competitors, with the very same layout 2 XML leds, the Inton NB-04 2200LM as well as the magicshine MJ-880, look so different? According to your credo then also these ones "forcedly" should have received the same look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Paired with a decent spotlight of your choosing on the helmet and I think you've got the perfect setup for a reasonable price.
    Thanks for the pics and recommendation GraXXoR! I'm following this thread as a first-time night light buyer looking for that "perfect setup".
    So what would you (or anyone else on this thread) recommend for the helmet? I ride very technical trails, not a lot on the road. The low profile/adjustability of this light looks to be a good option, but I don't see an option for a smaller battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    Yes, that was the very same lame reply from gloworm themselves in the german Lupine forum, BTW an astoningly fast reply within hours on the same question if the X2 was not just a Piko clone. Did not know they monitor foreign language forums so close ...

    Nevertheless, if it was so, how comes that 2 other competitors, with the very same layout 2 XML leds, the Inton NB-04 2200LM as well as the magicshine MJ-880, look so different? According to your credo then also these ones "forcedly" should have received the same look.
    I'm not really sure what your beef is CHnuschti. The Gloworm and the Piko are simply examples of convergent design (similar concept to convergent evolution, if you know what that is) - if you want to package 2 LEDs in the smallest and lightest housing possible that still has enough surface area to dissipate the heat produced, you'll end up with something:

    a bit wider than 2 optics
    a bit taller than 1 optic
    a bit deeper than the depth of the cover glass/ plastic + optic + LED + driver compartment

    which = the piko or the gloworm or any of the twin LED helmet light housings made by people on the DIY forum. They're not setting out to ape the Piko, they're just using the same design principles to arrive at the same/ similar point.

    The other twin XM-L lights you mentioned both have much larger and heavier housings which are cheaper to produce, needed for the higher currents the LEDs are driven at (higher current = more heat = more surface area needed) and are largely unsuitable for helmet use. So they had different requirements that lead to a similar but different design.

    Does that sufficiently answer your question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    there are only so many ways you can arrange 2 LEDs in a small format. Calling this a Lupine Piko ripoff is like calling Easton EA90 wheels ripoffs of Mavic Crossmaxes.
    Exactly....and I believe DiNotte had the two led design first or did they copy from a DIY'er ?...
    ...but seriously, who cares. One company makes a bike and another one makes one almost just like it, big deal. Everything gets copied. It's the little details that make something unique.

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    How can this be a 'ripoff design' when it's superior in pretty much every way to the Piko? Brighter, remote, better mount, more lumen per $$$, etc???
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    Does that sufficiently answer your question?
    It doesn't at all.

    And your "convergent design" frankly in this case reminds me more of the legendary George Orwell's "newspeak", I hope you know what that is, than to its original meaning. Verbally, it is easy to sugarcoat everything.

    I mean, let's look a bit closer. Shape, front panel, fins layout, attachment layout is the same as the Piko. I think, this is a bit more than just a coincidental "convergent design". I can recognize only the interchangeable optics and the external switch as "innovations".

    But this must be the brave new world. Take a successful product, copy it and let it manufacture cheaply somewhere in China. Now this is not really a new invention, we are already almost suffocating from all these cheap "made in China" replicas. Watches, mobile phones, tablets, etc..

    And I guess, it's easier to walk through with it. Lupine is just a small manufacturer, maybe 10 employees, fight it on legal way in NZ might be difficult, and hopeless in China, I suppose. If it was Garmin or Apple and the like surely there would be more troubles to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    And I guess, it's easier to walk through with it. Lupine is just a small manufacturer, maybe 10 employees, fight it on legal way in NZ might be difficult, and hopeless in china, I suppose. If it was Garmin or Apple and the like surely there would be more troubles to expect.
    Yes its easy for Lupine to rip-off the small one person manufacturer. I bet scar is pissed. He was making his micro-sized dual LED cycling light years before Lupine came along and stole his sales.

    Amoeba - The simplest "light" form

    The Piko is not unique or innovative. Go back to your own forum, you are not contributing anything of value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    Yes its easy for Lupine to rip-off the small one person manufacturer. I bet scar is pissed. He was making his micro-sized dual LED cycling light years before Lupine came along and stole his sales.

    Amoeba - The simplest "light" form

    The Piko is not unique or innovative. Go back to your own forum, you are not contributing anything of value.
    Personally, I'm thinking that Lupine should pay Scar a royalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    It doesn't at all.

    And your "convergent design" frankly in this case reminds me more of the legendary George Orwell's "newspeak", I hope you know what that is, than to its original meaning. Verbally, it is easy to sugarcoat everything.

    I mean, let's look a bit closer. Shape, front panel, fins layout, attachment layout is the same as the Piko. I think, this is a bit more than just a coincidental "convergent design". I can recognize only the interchangeable optics and the external switch as "innovations".

    But this must be the brave new world. Take a successful product, copy it and let it manufacture cheaply somewhere in China. Now this is not really a new invention, we are already almost suffocating from all these cheap "made in China" replicas. Watches, mobile phones, tablets, etc..

    And I guess, it's easier to walk through with it. Lupine is just a small manufacturer, maybe 10 employees, fight it on legal way in NZ might be difficult, and hopeless in China, I suppose. If it was Garmin or Apple and the like surely there would be more troubles to expect.
    wow, someone must have really spat in your coffee this morning

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    Hey Everyone,

    Good news regarding the mount/bolt issue

    The issue was the o-ring between the mount and the housing. The one that was provided with the light is a little too small. 0.68mm to be exact.

    To remedy this all it takes a quick trip to the hardware store to pickup 1 x O-ring #105 (ID 5/32 OD 11/32 Thickness (CS) 3/32). This will slip tightley over the small stub axle on the mount and provide the right amount of pressure for the screw and mount to move together without loosening.

    Result - mount/screw and outer o-ring move independently to the inner o-ring and housing. The inner o-ring is essentially the bearing surface/provides friction and pressure to ensure the screw does not loosen.

    When tightening the screw, this needs to be done with a tool until firm - I would supply a torque rating but my wrench is out of action!

    Once set, it should be good until you need to change the mounts to switch between helmet/bar.

    I hope that's clear. If not, just try the difference is amazing!

    If needed we can post an o-ring out - however the cost the o-ring is only about 20c if you decide to get it yourself

    Light sets in the future will be provided with the correct size o-ring

    PS. No lube is required.

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    Hey Bruce / Vag,
    I sent you guys e-mail / PM and haven't gotten a response regarding being charged for customs fees and also the missing extra lens. Please advise.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    Hey Bruce / Vag,
    I sent you guys e-mail / PM and haven't gotten a response regarding being charged for customs fees and also the missing extra lens. Please advise.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    Hey Bruce / Vag,
    I sent you guys e-mail / PM and haven't gotten a response regarding being charged for customs fees and also the missing extra lens. Please advise.
    Cheers
    I'm not the only one who missing extra lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by severum_69 View Post
    I'm not the only one who missing extra lens.
    Hey,

    Can you tell me what your name is and I'll ensure an optic is sent you immediately.

    Cheers

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    Well I just checked on fedex and my light is only five minutes away from my house right now so I think it will arrive soon. I will have to pick up the correct O-ring at the hardware store as soon as I get a chance. Oh and thanks graxxor for posting up all the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    It doesn't at all.

    And your "convergent design" frankly in this case reminds me more of the legendary George Orwell's "newspeak", I hope you know what that is, than to its original meaning.
    If you're going to get picky with words, at least be grammatical when doing it, or you just end up sounding like a bit of a dick.

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    No good Wrong side of the bed, much?

    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    It doesn't at all.

    But this must be the brave new world. Take a successful product, copy it and let it manufacture cheaply somewhere in China. Now this is not really a new invention, we are already almost suffocating from all these cheap "made in China" replicas. Watches, mobile phones, tablets, etc..

    And I guess, it's easier to walk through with it. Lupine is just a small manufacturer, maybe 10 employees, fight it on legal way in NZ might be difficult, and hopeless in China, I suppose. If it was Garmin or Apple and the like surely there would be more troubles to expect.
    ... Right because Garmin and Apple devices aren't "made in China."

    If you're going to get picky with examples, at least be relevant when doing it, or you just end up sounding like a bit of a...

    Oh wait, we've been here before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey,

    Can you tell me what your name is and I'll ensure an optic is sent you immediately.

    Cheers

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    PM'd you

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHnuschti View Post
    s".....But this must be the brave new world. Take a successful product, copy it and let it manufacture cheaply somewhere in China. Now this is not really a new invention, we are already almost suffocating from all these cheap "made in China" replicas. Watches, mobile phones, tablets, etc..
    I think you are grossly exaggerating the issue. People have copied other people's ideas since the dawn of time. Way before Huxley came down the shoot and began to speculate on potential future utopian societies, people were copying other people's ideas. Its all "been there, done that".

    Now if you can't find something else about the product to comment about maybe you better turn the computer off....big brother might be watching.

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    Well I received my light today and boy is this thing small. I had the same thought as someone else did earlier when opening the package and seeing the light head. It seems like a toy it's so small.

    I do have an issue that I need to share with everyone though. The extension cable is faulty. The light seems to work perfectly without the extension cord, but using the cord makes the light turn off intermittently and I noticed something else. Having the extension cord plugged into the battery and NOT even having the light head connected, the battery indicators would come on and off when bending the extension cord in a certain area. Freaked me out a bit b/c the light head was not even connected and the battery indicators were coming on and off. Without anything connected to the battery there is no light indicator which is the way it is supposed to be and when connecting the battery directly to the light head everything seems good. So at least it should be a simple fix of just replacing the extension cord.

    I do need the extension piece as I plan to use the light on the helmet and the battery needs to reach my camelback pocket. I am not too concerned at this point unless other issues arrive. I am not a fan these types of plugs and cables, but as long as I can get a working extension piece that holds up then I will not complain again on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    I do have an issue that I need to share with everyone though. The extension cable is faulty. The light seems to work perfectly without the extension cord, but using the cord makes the light turn off intermittently and I noticed something else. Having the extension cord plugged into the battery and NOT even having the light head connected, the battery indicators would come on and off when bending the extension cord in a certain area. Freaked me out a bit b/c the light head was not even connected and the battery indicators were coming on and off. Without anything connected to the battery there is no light indicator which is the way it is supposed to be and when connecting the battery directly to the light head everything seems good. So at least it should be a simple fix of just replacing the extension cord.
    Hey Max, whatever you do, don't use that extension cable again! Sounds like there is a short or break in the cable ( or both ). That's why it's screwing with the voltage indicators. I'm sure the Gloworm people will get you a new one but in the mean time ( if you can't wait ) you can pick up extension cables from Action LED which might be able to get it to you faster. Besides, can't hurt to have a back up for those kind of things. I have so much electronic accessories it's a wonder I can find half my stuff when I need it.

    At least you got yours. On Friday Fedex decided to send mine to Martinsburg WV....Just happens to be 80+ miles away which of course set the delivery date back till next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    Well I received my light today and boy is this thing small. I had the same thought as someone else did earlier when opening the package and seeing the light head. It seems like a toy it's so small.

    I do have an issue that I need to share with everyone though. The extension cable is faulty. The light seems to work perfectly without the extension cord, but using the cord makes the light turn off intermittently and I noticed something else. Having the extension cord plugged into the battery and NOT even having the light head connected, the battery indicators would come on and off when bending the extension cord in a certain area. Freaked me out a bit b/c the light head was not even connected and the battery indicators were coming on and off. Without anything connected to the battery there is no light indicator which is the way it is supposed to be and when connecting the battery directly to the light head everything seems good. So at least it should be a simple fix of just replacing the extension cord.

    I do need the extension piece as I plan to use the light on the helmet and the battery needs to reach my camelback pocket. I am not too concerned at this point unless other issues arrive. I am not a fan these types of plugs and cables, but as long as I can get a working extension piece that holds up then I will not complain again on the issue.
    Great suggestion Cat!

    @Maximus - I've just ordered an extension cord from Action LED for you. It will be sent to the address we sent your X2 to.

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    @Gloworm: I have now lost in total three o-rings. The two that came with my lights and another I "borrowed" from my Magicshine.

    Please please please make the o-rings captive, so they don't fall off when I put the lights in my pocket.

    It's a small thing but it's very annoying after coming from Magicshine with O-rings firmly connected to the body of the light.

    Also if you lose your O ring when you're out in the field your light is totally useless unless you want to hand hold it all the way home.

    Also, do you think you could source some O-rings with a tab on them? There're a bugger to get off at 1C with thick gloves on.
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    Thanks Gloworm for the quick response. Cat, once I narrowed down the issue to the extension cord, I stopped using it. Graxxor, the idea to make the o-ring captive is a good one. I can imagine being out on the trail and losing that. I do carry tape in my camelback always so if I have to rig something up on the go I would at least be able to do that. I think I will visit the hardware store and pick up extra o-rings. I managed to install the extra spot optic although it took a bit of fiddling to get it to sit flush. I look forward to receiving the headband when it's available so I can do some exploring.

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