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    Hello There,

    Well it's good to finally get the photos up of the X2 mounted in a real life application. We think it looks great - as do a few of you

    @gticlay - I will get some shots of the P7 Titan Lux measurement tonight (in the same conditions etc).

    @cdalemike - Yes there will be a rubber mounting pad attached to the base of the mount. As the lamp in the picture is the 1st prototype there are few details that were not added before testing.

    @anekin007 - Beam angle is specified at 23deg for the spot/flood combo and 20deg for the spot/spot. However the spot/flood seems a little wider as the edges of the beam are 'softer'. In regards to the piko, yes a comparison would be good, but unfotunately we do not have one to compare with yet (a Xera would also be nice to make a comparison with). The comparison between the X2 and the Titan was used as most people can relate to the size of the titan/magicshine 808 etc. Weight wise - there will be scale photos soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hi Guys

    Yes I do hear what you are saying. We have reduced the possibility of this problem by designing the bar mount
    Can we substitute that word with this one - eliminated

    Here is one of my bike with similar issues. Other bikes have similar issue. Can't post images or links due to low post count. Copy and Paste please.
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    Btw, the light looks great mounted. Nice and small. Got pictures of what the battery would look like?

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    Hi Everyone

    Here is a direct MTBR Lux comparison between our old light - Gloworm Lite (Gemini Titan) and the Gloworm X2. Setup as detailed here.



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    Hi Vag, Bruce,

    I have just come to this thread so apologies if this has already been covered but I didn't see it when I read all the posts.

    What is the length of the power lead to the battery? I am specifically interested in regard to the helmet mounting option because I wouldn't want to mount a 4-cell battery on my helmet. My existing helmet light uses a 2-cell battery and I put that in my back pocket and run an extension lead to the light.

    If the lead isn't long enough for this are you going to offer and extension cable option?

    Great light by the way and an almost incredible price!

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    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Hi Vag and Bruce. I am very tempted with what looks like a very nice light. Any Idea on postage cost to the UK ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    Clay, I am pretty sure that perhaps in a version 2 this might become a reality. Hopefully anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    I have two Lupines that both have remote switches and after each ride I take the bar light off and it has been three years of doing this and never had an issue. So I hope the gloworm light will hold up too. I always take my lights off the bar each time I finish a night ride. The lupines do have a really beefy cable compared to what this cable looks like though. These cables look to be the same as the magicshines which I have one of too and they feel weaker than lupines, but I am still going to buy one of these. The remote switches make the light so much more appealing, even when helmet mounting a light with this switch it makes it much easier to use. If you havent tried a light with one you really need to try it out before condemning it.

    If I go out on a 1 hour night ride I adjust my light's brightness several dozen times during the ride and the bar mount especially without ever taking my hand from my grip. Dimming to low as I am about to climb a hill and other times going between 60-100 percent brightness depending on what part of the trail I am on and making these adjustments seamlessly as I ride. I can't imagine riding without remote switches at this point. It would be like not having automatic window controls in my car, sure I could reach across the car and manually roll down the passenger side window, but it wouldnt be convenient and I would do it far less than I wanted to.

    Anyway I am going to get this light because it meets my requirements.

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    Hello,

    Vag here. It has been a while that I did not write. It's a great feeling to see all these positive comments coming.

    Let me answer some questions:

    @ overthehill
    Total length of the battery cable from the housing to the plug is 10cm. An extension cable is provided of course.

    @ yetibetty
    Bruce has send you a PM some hours ago regarding shipping. Not much difference with the USA one.

    @ gticlay and MaximusHQ
    Regarding the switch, what MaximusHQ described was the main thought behind our decision. I believe that the first ones who will get the X2 in their hands will be able to give us more feedback after using.

    Regarding the cable quality, we have done quite some research here before deciding on the build and what I can tell you for sure is that your cable won't be ripped that easily. We have worked to design our own splitters and stress reliefs that will last for long.

    Also note that in the, rare I believe, case of any problem with your cable (or light) our customer service will be there to work out a fast solution.

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    Will it be possible to use a Lupine Piko bar mount with the X2?

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    Hi Vag

    Great to see you back on the forums, congrats on your new venture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frede View Post
    Will it be possible to use a Lupine Piko bar mount with the X2?
    Seems like the reverse might be better . . . Piko on the helmet, Gloworm on the bar?

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    I really like the sound of everything marketed in this thread, but I will refrain from a purchase until I've got some unbiased field reports on durability and longevity. Unless of course the MFG is willing to provide me a unit to test for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Seems like the reverse might be better . . . Piko on the helmet, Gloworm on the bar?
    Sorry, I meant using the bar mount made for the Piko, instead of the o-ring mount that comes with the X2

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    I went ahead ahead and ordered one seeing that the light met all my requirements and at a great price. I will give feedback when I receive it.

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    Is it just me or does the pre-sale X2 price keep going up by around a dollar every day. I swear it was 151 and some change just a day or so ago. Now, I am seeing 153.75. Perhaps every day that gets closer to ship date adds another dollar to the price :') Yes, I have US as the currency chosen...

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    It's still $199 and $125 NZD. It's probably the exchange rate changing. They just announced The Hobbit movie so myabe NZD is going up from that I heard Gandalf will be using Gloworm lights on his staff...
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    It's still $199 and $125 NZD. It's probably the exchange rate changing. They just announced The Hobbit movie so myabe NZD is going up from that I heard Gandalf will be using Gloworm lights on his staff...
    Hi Everyone,

    How did you find out about Gandalfs staff??? That was top secret.

    Spot on about the price - the site is based in NZ and therefore centres around the NZD hence why the USD changes slightly on a daily basis. Works the same way as Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK.

    @Frede - Unfortunately our design is not compatible with the Piko bar mount. Our design actually provides a wider profile on the bar to ensure stability and the mount has small 'axle' (supported by 2 o-rings) that slides into the housing. This also helps with the strength, rigidness and stability. The whole unit is then held together by a custom stainless steel M3 bolt that is 18mm long.

    @MaximusHQ - Order received! Can't wait to ship them out.

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    OMG, it is up to 154.01 since the last time I checked 30 minutes ago (when it was 153.75). At this rate, I should order quickly before the exchange rate goes up any further :')

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    OMG, it is up to 154.01 since the last time I checked 30 minutes ago (when it was 153.75). At this rate, I should order quickly before the exchange rate goes up any further :')
    ...that's one way to look at it. Another is that the exchange rate "might" dive and go the other way. If it does you might save some bucks. One thing is clear though, if you wait till after Jan 20th you will likely be paying more. All things considered, if you like what you see from the prototype go ahead and buy it. You still get 17 days after you get it to decide whether or not it makes your day ( or if it makes your night to be more accurate ) For me that was very much a part of the deciding factor.

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    If only you could have ordered it on November 27th....

    Exchange Rates Graph (American Dollar, New Zealand Dollar) - 30 days - x-rates
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    What keeps a compact light like this from constantly overheating? Honest question if Cat-man-do or anyone else has an answer. Looks awesome, but a lot of lumens in a small package which concerns me.
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    Hello,

    Happy holidays to everybody.


    @ GEOMAN:
    Thanks for your wishes,it's good to be around the forums again.

    @stumble mumble
    I can talk about X2 while I am sure other members will have more to add.

    What keeps X2 from constantly overheating:
    1. Electronics efficiency (More efficient, less heat coming out of electronics. Our circuit is designed in New Zealand made to fit exactly the X2 needs)
    2. LED efficiency (XM-L ia a very efficient LED, the best in the market at this moment means it can deliver more lumens by producing less heat)
    3. Surface and fins (generally the more surface the less hot your light gets)
    4. Housing Design

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble View Post
    What keeps a compact light like this from constantly overheating? Honest question if Cat-man-do or anyone else has an answer. Looks awesome, but a lot of lumens in a small package which concerns me.
    A good question...Since you didn't ask, I will: Does this light include a thermal monitoring circuit? While I think it probably will, I am placing more faith in the build and the fact that it looks well designed ( lots of fins ). Plus you have to consider that the people selling the light want to make money. As such am sure they don't plan on having people return them simply because the lamp can't dissipate the heat properly.

    Lastly, I own a couple LED lamps with small form factors. Yes, they do get hot. Knowing when to use the high modes and when to power down makes a big difference. Just keep moving and you should be fine. As with all new light systems it is always nice to see how well they perform in warmer climates, especially if you happen to live in a desert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Does this light include a thermal monitoring circuit?
    Of course it does It's a basic function.

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    Maybe i missed it in the thread, how well is the beam pattern for commuting? The majority of my riding is in the evenings.

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    The only way to monitor battery life would be using your specific battery right? I mean, no led in the switch indicating any battery levels? I'm asking since i'll be using my own batteries I have lying around.

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    Is the standard configuration one flood and one spot?

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    Waterproof? I think so!

    Hi Everyone,

    I do hope everyone had a great Xmas and a happy and safe NY!

    I thought I'd give you all a wee treat and show you just how waterproof the X2 really is!

    Also (@Leethal) the standard light config is spot/flood - when ordering you can order either another spot or flood lens, complimentary

    For commuting, I personally like the flood/flood setup at lower power. Still great throw for the road but also good flood thus allowing greater visibility of you and for you.

    @Matchpoint - Yes the only battery inidcation built into this light is on the battery itself.

    So here we go - underwater photos................



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    ....

    ....@Matchpoint - Yes the only battery indication built into this light is on the battery itself.

    So here we go - underwater photos................

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    Hummm...guess that one got by me. I didn't know there were no on-board battery indicators. My other remote light has the indicators on the remote. Not a deal breaker as I see it since I really don't like voltage monitors per say anyway. Once the temperatures begin to drop they never really seem to work right anyway. Still, most people seem to want them. So far in all the discussions about the X2, this is the only negative I've seen so far. For the die-hards that insist on voltage feedback you can always order with the battery or purchase another battery that includes a built in voltage led feedback array. Personally I should be fine without it.

    This does preclude another related question though.. Does the X2 have a flash or strobe warning when the voltage is very low? If so is this circuitry in the battery or in the light head?

    Now about the underwater test: How long did you run the light underwater?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Hummm...guess that one got by me. I didn't know there were no on-board battery indicators. My other remote light has the indicators on the remote. Not a deal breaker as I see it since I really don't like voltage monitors per say anyway. Once the temperatures begin to drop they never really seem to work right anyway. Still, most people seem to want them. So far in all the discussions about the X2, this is the only negative I've seen so far. For the die-hards that insist on voltage feedback you can always order with the battery or purchase another battery that includes a built in voltage led feedback array. Personally I should be fine without it.

    This does preclude another related question though.. Does the X2 have a flash or strobe warning when the voltage is very low? If so is this circuitry in the battery or in the light head?

    Now about the underwater test: How long did you run the light underwater?
    Thanks for the comments Cat-man-do..........

    We had considered an indicator on the lamphead however when worn on the helmet this is as good as an inidcator on the battery sitting in your bag - you can't see it, so it has no real function. When in use on the bar, our battery with the indicator should be visible.

    The light is made to be used with our batteries and therefore as a set it does have voltage monitoring capability. However as an additional fail safe the light will tell you when it is getting low on battery power (voltage). It will flash briefly (high low high low - but not off) then it will begin dimming itself by dropping current. Based on the light runnning at max current it would take about 3min until the light turns itself off.

    Now a real life situtation dictates that if you are still 30min from your car and your light flashed, you'd switch your light to 'dim' mode to maintain light for the maximum amount of time. This programming is contained in the light itself and theoretically will work with other brand batteries.

    As for the 'waterproof' test - it was left there for an hour. No water ingress. Next test will be at a depth no more than 1m. After all, it's a cycling light - not a diving light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    .... However as an additional fail safe the light will tell you when it is getting low on battery power (voltage). It will flash briefly (high low high low - but not off) then it will begin dimming itself by dropping current. Based on the light runnning at max current it would take about 3min until the light turns itself off.

    Now a real life situtation dictates that if you are still 30min from your car and your light flashed, you'd switch your light to 'dim' mode to maintain light for the maximum amount of time. This programming is contained in the light itself and theoretically will work with other brand batteries.

    As for the [B]'waterproof' test - it was left there for an hour[B]. No water ingress. Next test will be at a depth no more than 1m. After all, it's a cycling light - not a diving light

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    Excellent! Yes indeed, a flash warning is a "Must Have" feature. Way more important that the stupid led monitors in my book. As you said, once you get the flash you ( manually ) drop to a lower light level and start back or get your back-up ready.

    Double thumbs-up on the water immersion test! One hour is good enough for me. ( Actually I would of been fine with just 15 minutes )...

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    Nicely done.

    Would it be possible to get the toggle swtich and battery submerssion test? IME water ingress that has caused my systems to fail in the past have stemmed from either one or both of these areas. Cheers.

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    Thanks Bruce @ Glowworm for doing this test and giving info on the low battery. Also thanks to cat and others for coming up with great questions that are important. Not having a battery indicator on the lighthead is not an issue for me. I hope this proves to be as perfect a helmet light as it sounds to me.

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    That's good to hear. As long as there is some warning of low voltage I'm good with that. Just don't want the lights to suddenly switch off when I'm speeding downhill in dark So the mount is my only issue left.

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    Are presale orders still on schedule to ship by Jan 20th?

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    I'd love to order one, but I have a few questions....what does this look like on the headstrap mount?? How is the remote switch positioned?? I'd be switching from bar mounts to a headstrap several times a week. I'm in Alaska and skijor with my husky or my fatbike on the trails....and it's always dark and cold this time of year. Additionally, the website crashes when I choose the headstrap option...can I PM my info??

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    I'd like to preorder but an important question.

    NZ GST is 15% and by NZ law the advertised price of goods and services include GST. Its not clear on your page (changing the currency on the gloworm website does not result in removing the GST), when someone pre-orders from overseas do we get the GST back as required by law? Foreign orders don't pay GST and you cannot pocket GST as profit.

    E-commerce and GST (E-commerce and tax)

    goods are sold over the internet and physically supplied to customers overseas the sales can be zero-rated for GST purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    I'd like to preorder but an important question.

    NZ GST is 15% and by NZ law the advertised price of goods and services include GST. Its not clear on your page (changing the currency on the gloworm website does not result in removing the GST), when someone pre-orders from overseas do we get the GST back as required by law? Foreign orders don't pay GST and you cannot pocket GST as profit.

    E-commerce and GST (E-commerce and tax)
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
    I've ordered direct from HIDTech (AU) and Adventure Lighting Products (NZ). Their prices by law show the price with GST. When your order they remove the GST but shipping charges cost more than national shipments. $25 shipping for the gloworm sounds fair.

    It could just be a website legal error, its a new venture. Right now going from one currency to the other on the website results in a direct conversion rather than with or without GST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    I've ordered direct from HIDTech (AU) and Adventure Lighting Products (NZ). Their prices by law show the price with GST. When your order they remove the GST but shipping charges cost more than national shipments. $25 shipping for the gloworm sounds fair.

    It could just be a website legal error, its a new venture. Right now going from one currency to the other on the website results in a direct conversion rather than with or without GST.
    Ok, ok, ok... when you live in NZ, it's "GST", whe you order from outside of NZ, it's simply "General Shipping Tack-on".
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
    I love your sense of humour!

    Here is the deal about NZD, GST etc.

    1. The website is based in NZD, and the curreny selectors function is to do a direct conversion. Tax is determined by country of residence based on delivery address. This alone will remove tax from the order. You will notice when the order is processed and the summary of costs comes up there is no tax indicated if your delivery address is outside NZ. If your delivery address was in NZ then it would show tax at 15% - I have just tested this.

    2. The X2 is a product of Microchina (TA Gloworm Manufacturing) and as such will be shipped direct from Hong Kong during the presale phase and for a few weeks thereafter. As a result no GST/TAX will be included in any X2 transaction. Once international distributors have been commissioned the price of the X2 will be fixed and will include any local taxes (if any). Future retail prices are as follows NZD$249, USD$199, AUD$195, GBP129.

    3. Post presale, we will also commission a Gloworm Manufacturing website.

    4. If you happen to buy other products from the current site you will not be charged Tax.

    I hope that clears up a few things.

    By the way, we are still on track to ship on 20th January

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    @ Vag or Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Nicely done.

    Would it be possible to get the toggle swtich and battery submerssion test? IME water ingress that has caused my systems to fail in the past have stemmed from either one or both of these areas. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
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    Hey,

    Sorry missed that one Chromagftw.

    We will get those done for you soon. I do however have the same confidence in those parts.

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    Crikey now what do I do? I've been looking at designshine's (pethelman) #2 build of the DS-1300 with interest over the last six weeks or so and have watched his "does it blend" water submersion test with a wry smile. I had practically set my mind on buying two. But now I see just how well the X2 is coming along I have to wonder. Plus, when I consider the price differential and the fact that a wired remote comes as standard and the necessity of new 6 cell batteries to get the most from the light (due to the treble LED in series design) I'm starting to wonder if a couple of X2s is all I'd need... As a commuter, primarily, I see the only disadvantage with the X2 cf the DS-1300 (or indeed almost any light compared with designshine DS-1300) is the side-on illumination.

    Moreover, there hasn't been nearly as much activity on the designshine thread as this one... I don't think he's set the final price yet. I bird in the hand, and all...

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    Crikey now what do I do? I've been looking at designshine's (pethelman) #2 build of the DS-1300 with interest over the last six weeks or so and have watched his "does it blend" water submersion test with a wry smile. I had practically set my mind on buying two. But now I see just how well the X2 is coming along I have to wonder. Plus, when I consider the price differential and the fact that a wired remote comes as standard and the necessity of new 6 cell batteries to get the most from the light (due to the treble LED in series design) I'm starting to wonder if a couple of X2s is all I'd need... As a commuter, primarily, I see the only disadvantage with the X2 cf the DS-1300 (or indeed almost any light compared with designshine DS-1300) is the side-on illumination.

    Moreover, there hasn't been nearly as much activity on the designshine thread as this one... I don't think he's set the final price yet. I bird in the hand, and all...
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..
    exactly re. side visibility. Hence, even though I could almost get three of these (flood^2 on the bar, spot^2 on the lid, one spare) for less than the price of a Designshine DS-1300 with optional remote and a specific 3 cell battery and charger. I'm still dithering. I just wish he'd gone with a simpler twin XM-L... Less forward-voltage so more efficient driver-wise, less components to go wrong etc... I know that he wants to differentiate his effort from the "pack" but the DS-1300 can't run at full power from a standard 2S2P battery pack (of which I can easily get 4 for $100) without any risk of over-stressing the driver board, apparently, and I have to knock it down to 900lm to be safe which kind of defeats the purpose of purchasing a bright light in the first place.

    And now i've seen their 1hr water test (admittedly not on a sold model) it's made me all the more confident of their initial design.

    egads... Choice eh? Isn't it great.

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    @Gloworm:

    I see you have flood lenses but any chance of an elliptical lens? I'd like an elliptical lens for commuter use and safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..
    Cheap solution for side visibility:

    Bicycle wheel lights take 2 - YouTube

    DIY Bike Wheel Lights, Pt. II | Stray Cat Bicycles

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    @syadasti

    What do they look like parked at a major junction for just over three minutes before the traffic lights change back to green in your favour?
    LED Xmas lights I assume, I've never used them.

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