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    Hello There,

    Well it's good to finally get the photos up of the X2 mounted in a real life application. We think it looks great - as do a few of you

    @gticlay - I will get some shots of the P7 Titan Lux measurement tonight (in the same conditions etc).

    @cdalemike - Yes there will be a rubber mounting pad attached to the base of the mount. As the lamp in the picture is the 1st prototype there are few details that were not added before testing.

    @anekin007 - Beam angle is specified at 23deg for the spot/flood combo and 20deg for the spot/spot. However the spot/flood seems a little wider as the edges of the beam are 'softer'. In regards to the piko, yes a comparison would be good, but unfotunately we do not have one to compare with yet (a Xera would also be nice to make a comparison with). The comparison between the X2 and the Titan was used as most people can relate to the size of the titan/magicshine 808 etc. Weight wise - there will be scale photos soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hi Guys

    Yes I do hear what you are saying. We have reduced the possibility of this problem by designing the bar mount
    Can we substitute that word with this one - eliminated

    Here is one of my bike with similar issues. Other bikes have similar issue. Can't post images or links due to low post count. Copy and Paste please.
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    Btw, the light looks great mounted. Nice and small. Got pictures of what the battery would look like?

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    Hi Everyone

    Here is a direct MTBR Lux comparison between our old light - Gloworm Lite (Gemini Titan) and the Gloworm X2. Setup as detailed here.



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    Hi Vag, Bruce,

    I have just come to this thread so apologies if this has already been covered but I didn't see it when I read all the posts.

    What is the length of the power lead to the battery? I am specifically interested in regard to the helmet mounting option because I wouldn't want to mount a 4-cell battery on my helmet. My existing helmet light uses a 2-cell battery and I put that in my back pocket and run an extension lead to the light.

    If the lead isn't long enough for this are you going to offer and extension cable option?

    Great light by the way and an almost incredible price!

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    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Hi Vag and Bruce. I am very tempted with what looks like a very nice light. Any Idea on postage cost to the UK ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    Clay, I am pretty sure that perhaps in a version 2 this might become a reality. Hopefully anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    I have two Lupines that both have remote switches and after each ride I take the bar light off and it has been three years of doing this and never had an issue. So I hope the gloworm light will hold up too. I always take my lights off the bar each time I finish a night ride. The lupines do have a really beefy cable compared to what this cable looks like though. These cables look to be the same as the magicshines which I have one of too and they feel weaker than lupines, but I am still going to buy one of these. The remote switches make the light so much more appealing, even when helmet mounting a light with this switch it makes it much easier to use. If you havent tried a light with one you really need to try it out before condemning it.

    If I go out on a 1 hour night ride I adjust my light's brightness several dozen times during the ride and the bar mount especially without ever taking my hand from my grip. Dimming to low as I am about to climb a hill and other times going between 60-100 percent brightness depending on what part of the trail I am on and making these adjustments seamlessly as I ride. I can't imagine riding without remote switches at this point. It would be like not having automatic window controls in my car, sure I could reach across the car and manually roll down the passenger side window, but it wouldnt be convenient and I would do it far less than I wanted to.

    Anyway I am going to get this light because it meets my requirements.

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    Hello,

    Vag here. It has been a while that I did not write. It's a great feeling to see all these positive comments coming.

    Let me answer some questions:

    @ overthehill
    Total length of the battery cable from the housing to the plug is 10cm. An extension cable is provided of course.

    @ yetibetty
    Bruce has send you a PM some hours ago regarding shipping. Not much difference with the USA one.

    @ gticlay and MaximusHQ
    Regarding the switch, what MaximusHQ described was the main thought behind our decision. I believe that the first ones who will get the X2 in their hands will be able to give us more feedback after using.

    Regarding the cable quality, we have done quite some research here before deciding on the build and what I can tell you for sure is that your cable won't be ripped that easily. We have worked to design our own splitters and stress reliefs that will last for long.

    Also note that in the, rare I believe, case of any problem with your cable (or light) our customer service will be there to work out a fast solution.

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    Will it be possible to use a Lupine Piko bar mount with the X2?

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    Hi Vag

    Great to see you back on the forums, congrats on your new venture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frede View Post
    Will it be possible to use a Lupine Piko bar mount with the X2?
    Seems like the reverse might be better . . . Piko on the helmet, Gloworm on the bar?

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    I really like the sound of everything marketed in this thread, but I will refrain from a purchase until I've got some unbiased field reports on durability and longevity. Unless of course the MFG is willing to provide me a unit to test for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Seems like the reverse might be better . . . Piko on the helmet, Gloworm on the bar?
    Sorry, I meant using the bar mount made for the Piko, instead of the o-ring mount that comes with the X2

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    I went ahead ahead and ordered one seeing that the light met all my requirements and at a great price. I will give feedback when I receive it.

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    Is it just me or does the pre-sale X2 price keep going up by around a dollar every day. I swear it was 151 and some change just a day or so ago. Now, I am seeing 153.75. Perhaps every day that gets closer to ship date adds another dollar to the price :') Yes, I have US as the currency chosen...

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    It's still $199 and $125 NZD. It's probably the exchange rate changing. They just announced The Hobbit movie so myabe NZD is going up from that I heard Gandalf will be using Gloworm lights on his staff...
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    It's still $199 and $125 NZD. It's probably the exchange rate changing. They just announced The Hobbit movie so myabe NZD is going up from that I heard Gandalf will be using Gloworm lights on his staff...
    Hi Everyone,

    How did you find out about Gandalfs staff??? That was top secret.

    Spot on about the price - the site is based in NZ and therefore centres around the NZD hence why the USD changes slightly on a daily basis. Works the same way as Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK.

    @Frede - Unfortunately our design is not compatible with the Piko bar mount. Our design actually provides a wider profile on the bar to ensure stability and the mount has small 'axle' (supported by 2 o-rings) that slides into the housing. This also helps with the strength, rigidness and stability. The whole unit is then held together by a custom stainless steel M3 bolt that is 18mm long.

    @MaximusHQ - Order received! Can't wait to ship them out.

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    OMG, it is up to 154.01 since the last time I checked 30 minutes ago (when it was 153.75). At this rate, I should order quickly before the exchange rate goes up any further :')

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    OMG, it is up to 154.01 since the last time I checked 30 minutes ago (when it was 153.75). At this rate, I should order quickly before the exchange rate goes up any further :')
    ...that's one way to look at it. Another is that the exchange rate "might" dive and go the other way. If it does you might save some bucks. One thing is clear though, if you wait till after Jan 20th you will likely be paying more. All things considered, if you like what you see from the prototype go ahead and buy it. You still get 17 days after you get it to decide whether or not it makes your day ( or if it makes your night to be more accurate ) For me that was very much a part of the deciding factor.

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    If only you could have ordered it on November 27th....

    Exchange Rates Graph (American Dollar, New Zealand Dollar) - 30 days - x-rates
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    What keeps a compact light like this from constantly overheating? Honest question if Cat-man-do or anyone else has an answer. Looks awesome, but a lot of lumens in a small package which concerns me.
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    Hello,

    Happy holidays to everybody.


    @ GEOMAN:
    Thanks for your wishes,it's good to be around the forums again.

    @stumble mumble
    I can talk about X2 while I am sure other members will have more to add.

    What keeps X2 from constantly overheating:
    1. Electronics efficiency (More efficient, less heat coming out of electronics. Our circuit is designed in New Zealand made to fit exactly the X2 needs)
    2. LED efficiency (XM-L ia a very efficient LED, the best in the market at this moment means it can deliver more lumens by producing less heat)
    3. Surface and fins (generally the more surface the less hot your light gets)
    4. Housing Design

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble View Post
    What keeps a compact light like this from constantly overheating? Honest question if Cat-man-do or anyone else has an answer. Looks awesome, but a lot of lumens in a small package which concerns me.
    A good question...Since you didn't ask, I will: Does this light include a thermal monitoring circuit? While I think it probably will, I am placing more faith in the build and the fact that it looks well designed ( lots of fins ). Plus you have to consider that the people selling the light want to make money. As such am sure they don't plan on having people return them simply because the lamp can't dissipate the heat properly.

    Lastly, I own a couple LED lamps with small form factors. Yes, they do get hot. Knowing when to use the high modes and when to power down makes a big difference. Just keep moving and you should be fine. As with all new light systems it is always nice to see how well they perform in warmer climates, especially if you happen to live in a desert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Does this light include a thermal monitoring circuit?
    Of course it does It's a basic function.

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    Maybe i missed it in the thread, how well is the beam pattern for commuting? The majority of my riding is in the evenings.

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    The only way to monitor battery life would be using your specific battery right? I mean, no led in the switch indicating any battery levels? I'm asking since i'll be using my own batteries I have lying around.

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    Is the standard configuration one flood and one spot?

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    Waterproof? I think so!

    Hi Everyone,

    I do hope everyone had a great Xmas and a happy and safe NY!

    I thought I'd give you all a wee treat and show you just how waterproof the X2 really is!

    Also (@Leethal) the standard light config is spot/flood - when ordering you can order either another spot or flood lens, complimentary

    For commuting, I personally like the flood/flood setup at lower power. Still great throw for the road but also good flood thus allowing greater visibility of you and for you.

    @Matchpoint - Yes the only battery inidcation built into this light is on the battery itself.

    So here we go - underwater photos................



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    ....

    ....@Matchpoint - Yes the only battery indication built into this light is on the battery itself.

    So here we go - underwater photos................

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    Hummm...guess that one got by me. I didn't know there were no on-board battery indicators. My other remote light has the indicators on the remote. Not a deal breaker as I see it since I really don't like voltage monitors per say anyway. Once the temperatures begin to drop they never really seem to work right anyway. Still, most people seem to want them. So far in all the discussions about the X2, this is the only negative I've seen so far. For the die-hards that insist on voltage feedback you can always order with the battery or purchase another battery that includes a built in voltage led feedback array. Personally I should be fine without it.

    This does preclude another related question though.. Does the X2 have a flash or strobe warning when the voltage is very low? If so is this circuitry in the battery or in the light head?

    Now about the underwater test: How long did you run the light underwater?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Hummm...guess that one got by me. I didn't know there were no on-board battery indicators. My other remote light has the indicators on the remote. Not a deal breaker as I see it since I really don't like voltage monitors per say anyway. Once the temperatures begin to drop they never really seem to work right anyway. Still, most people seem to want them. So far in all the discussions about the X2, this is the only negative I've seen so far. For the die-hards that insist on voltage feedback you can always order with the battery or purchase another battery that includes a built in voltage led feedback array. Personally I should be fine without it.

    This does preclude another related question though.. Does the X2 have a flash or strobe warning when the voltage is very low? If so is this circuitry in the battery or in the light head?

    Now about the underwater test: How long did you run the light underwater?
    Thanks for the comments Cat-man-do..........

    We had considered an indicator on the lamphead however when worn on the helmet this is as good as an inidcator on the battery sitting in your bag - you can't see it, so it has no real function. When in use on the bar, our battery with the indicator should be visible.

    The light is made to be used with our batteries and therefore as a set it does have voltage monitoring capability. However as an additional fail safe the light will tell you when it is getting low on battery power (voltage). It will flash briefly (high low high low - but not off) then it will begin dimming itself by dropping current. Based on the light runnning at max current it would take about 3min until the light turns itself off.

    Now a real life situtation dictates that if you are still 30min from your car and your light flashed, you'd switch your light to 'dim' mode to maintain light for the maximum amount of time. This programming is contained in the light itself and theoretically will work with other brand batteries.

    As for the 'waterproof' test - it was left there for an hour. No water ingress. Next test will be at a depth no more than 1m. After all, it's a cycling light - not a diving light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    .... However as an additional fail safe the light will tell you when it is getting low on battery power (voltage). It will flash briefly (high low high low - but not off) then it will begin dimming itself by dropping current. Based on the light runnning at max current it would take about 3min until the light turns itself off.

    Now a real life situtation dictates that if you are still 30min from your car and your light flashed, you'd switch your light to 'dim' mode to maintain light for the maximum amount of time. This programming is contained in the light itself and theoretically will work with other brand batteries.

    As for the [B]'waterproof' test - it was left there for an hour[B]. No water ingress. Next test will be at a depth no more than 1m. After all, it's a cycling light - not a diving light

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    Excellent! Yes indeed, a flash warning is a "Must Have" feature. Way more important that the stupid led monitors in my book. As you said, once you get the flash you ( manually ) drop to a lower light level and start back or get your back-up ready.

    Double thumbs-up on the water immersion test! One hour is good enough for me. ( Actually I would of been fine with just 15 minutes )...

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    Nicely done.

    Would it be possible to get the toggle swtich and battery submerssion test? IME water ingress that has caused my systems to fail in the past have stemmed from either one or both of these areas. Cheers.

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    Thanks Bruce @ Glowworm for doing this test and giving info on the low battery. Also thanks to cat and others for coming up with great questions that are important. Not having a battery indicator on the lighthead is not an issue for me. I hope this proves to be as perfect a helmet light as it sounds to me.

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    That's good to hear. As long as there is some warning of low voltage I'm good with that. Just don't want the lights to suddenly switch off when I'm speeding downhill in dark So the mount is my only issue left.

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    Are presale orders still on schedule to ship by Jan 20th?

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    I'd love to order one, but I have a few questions....what does this look like on the headstrap mount?? How is the remote switch positioned?? I'd be switching from bar mounts to a headstrap several times a week. I'm in Alaska and skijor with my husky or my fatbike on the trails....and it's always dark and cold this time of year. Additionally, the website crashes when I choose the headstrap option...can I PM my info??

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    I'd like to preorder but an important question.

    NZ GST is 15% and by NZ law the advertised price of goods and services include GST. Its not clear on your page (changing the currency on the gloworm website does not result in removing the GST), when someone pre-orders from overseas do we get the GST back as required by law? Foreign orders don't pay GST and you cannot pocket GST as profit.

    E-commerce and GST (E-commerce and tax)

    goods are sold over the internet and physically supplied to customers overseas the sales can be zero-rated for GST purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    I'd like to preorder but an important question.

    NZ GST is 15% and by NZ law the advertised price of goods and services include GST. Its not clear on your page (changing the currency on the gloworm website does not result in removing the GST), when someone pre-orders from overseas do we get the GST back as required by law? Foreign orders don't pay GST and you cannot pocket GST as profit.

    E-commerce and GST (E-commerce and tax)
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
    I've ordered direct from HIDTech (AU) and Adventure Lighting Products (NZ). Their prices by law show the price with GST. When your order they remove the GST but shipping charges cost more than national shipments. $25 shipping for the gloworm sounds fair.

    It could just be a website legal error, its a new venture. Right now going from one currency to the other on the website results in a direct conversion rather than with or without GST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    I've ordered direct from HIDTech (AU) and Adventure Lighting Products (NZ). Their prices by law show the price with GST. When your order they remove the GST but shipping charges cost more than national shipments. $25 shipping for the gloworm sounds fair.

    It could just be a website legal error, its a new venture. Right now going from one currency to the other on the website results in a direct conversion rather than with or without GST.
    Ok, ok, ok... when you live in NZ, it's "GST", whe you order from outside of NZ, it's simply "General Shipping Tack-on".
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
    I love your sense of humour!

    Here is the deal about NZD, GST etc.

    1. The website is based in NZD, and the curreny selectors function is to do a direct conversion. Tax is determined by country of residence based on delivery address. This alone will remove tax from the order. You will notice when the order is processed and the summary of costs comes up there is no tax indicated if your delivery address is outside NZ. If your delivery address was in NZ then it would show tax at 15% - I have just tested this.

    2. The X2 is a product of Microchina (TA Gloworm Manufacturing) and as such will be shipped direct from Hong Kong during the presale phase and for a few weeks thereafter. As a result no GST/TAX will be included in any X2 transaction. Once international distributors have been commissioned the price of the X2 will be fixed and will include any local taxes (if any). Future retail prices are as follows NZD$249, USD$199, AUD$195, GBP129.

    3. Post presale, we will also commission a Gloworm Manufacturing website.

    4. If you happen to buy other products from the current site you will not be charged Tax.

    I hope that clears up a few things.

    By the way, we are still on track to ship on 20th January

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    @ Vag or Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Nicely done.

    Would it be possible to get the toggle swtich and battery submerssion test? IME water ingress that has caused my systems to fail in the past have stemmed from either one or both of these areas. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
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    Hey,

    Sorry missed that one Chromagftw.

    We will get those done for you soon. I do however have the same confidence in those parts.

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    Crikey now what do I do? I've been looking at designshine's (pethelman) #2 build of the DS-1300 with interest over the last six weeks or so and have watched his "does it blend" water submersion test with a wry smile. I had practically set my mind on buying two. But now I see just how well the X2 is coming along I have to wonder. Plus, when I consider the price differential and the fact that a wired remote comes as standard and the necessity of new 6 cell batteries to get the most from the light (due to the treble LED in series design) I'm starting to wonder if a couple of X2s is all I'd need... As a commuter, primarily, I see the only disadvantage with the X2 cf the DS-1300 (or indeed almost any light compared with designshine DS-1300) is the side-on illumination.

    Moreover, there hasn't been nearly as much activity on the designshine thread as this one... I don't think he's set the final price yet. I bird in the hand, and all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Crikey now what do I do? I've been looking at designshine's (pethelman) #2 build of the DS-1300 with interest over the last six weeks or so and have watched his "does it blend" water submersion test with a wry smile. I had practically set my mind on buying two. But now I see just how well the X2 is coming along I have to wonder. Plus, when I consider the price differential and the fact that a wired remote comes as standard and the necessity of new 6 cell batteries to get the most from the light (due to the treble LED in series design) I'm starting to wonder if a couple of X2s is all I'd need... As a commuter, primarily, I see the only disadvantage with the X2 cf the DS-1300 (or indeed almost any light compared with designshine DS-1300) is the side-on illumination.

    Moreover, there hasn't been nearly as much activity on the designshine thread as this one... I don't think he's set the final price yet. I bird in the hand, and all...
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..
    exactly re. side visibility. Hence, even though I could almost get three of these (flood^2 on the bar, spot^2 on the lid, one spare) for less than the price of a Designshine DS-1300 with optional remote and a specific 3 cell battery and charger. I'm still dithering. I just wish he'd gone with a simpler twin XM-L... Less forward-voltage so more efficient driver-wise, less components to go wrong etc... I know that he wants to differentiate his effort from the "pack" but the DS-1300 can't run at full power from a standard 2S2P battery pack (of which I can easily get 4 for $100) without any risk of over-stressing the driver board, apparently, and I have to knock it down to 900lm to be safe which kind of defeats the purpose of purchasing a bright light in the first place.

    And now i've seen their 1hr water test (admittedly not on a sold model) it's made me all the more confident of their initial design.

    egads... Choice eh? Isn't it great.

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    @Gloworm:

    I see you have flood lenses but any chance of an elliptical lens? I'd like an elliptical lens for commuter use and safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..
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    @syadasti

    What do they look like parked at a major junction for just over three minutes before the traffic lights change back to green in your favour?
    LED Xmas lights I assume, I've never used them.

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    What do they look like parked at a major junction for just over three minutes before the traffic lights change back to green in your favour?

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    Any chance of a video showing the different modes? I can't seem to find anything online that shows what "Flash (2Hz)" looks like. I'm used to the strobe mode which worked pretty well, at least for me, during daytime.

    Edit: Found out that 2Hz is 120 bpm so it blinks twice per second. Is that the same as the MagicShine Tailight that I have? It Blinks then Strobes. I need to film it then play it back....
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    Good news folks, gloworm have told me that the elliptical lens 'will definitely fit but have not tested it yet.'

    Elliptical are good for commuters because they lower the forward intensity but widen the lateral intensity. Turning a 10 degree cone of light into a horizontal 30 degree cone. Very wide and good for angle-on visibility. I use them with my MJ-816 every night.

    @gloworm. I'm sure you're busy, but any chance of getting one in and giving a few beam shots for us roadies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Good news folks, gloworm have told me that the elliptical lens 'will definitely fit but have not tested it yet.'

    Elliptical are good for commuters because they lower the forward intensity but widen the lateral intensity. Turning a 10 degree cone of light into a horizontal 30 degree cone. Very wide and good for angle-on visibility. I use them with my MJ-816 every night.

    @gloworm. I'm sure you're busy, but any chance of getting one in and giving a few beam shots for us roadies?
    Hello,

    Some elliptical lenses are on the way to us for testing. We'll let you know the resutls.

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    Weird... My post is gone or never got posted, so I'll write it again.

    The more I hear about these gloworms, the more I feel like splashing out on a set.

    I am also considering a couple of DS-1300s because, build wise, they seem to be the Range Rover of homemade lights. But for less than 20,000 yen, I'm definitely going to consider two of these, also, one with an extra spot lens and one with an extra elliptical lens since the introductory price is so flipping keen!

    I'll run the elliptical on the bar and the double spot on my helmet; on flash in the city and full time in the dark/offroad.

    I have two questions.

    1) What is the current drain (wattage) of the system at the various power levels (including flash and super dim?) and thus what the run time can I expect from a well kept Magicshine 4400 battery pack.

    2) Since the cable is only 10cm long, if I purchase two light heads only, can I get two extension cords thrown in?

    thx.

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    PM sent about additions to pre-order.

    Also - i've been looking around but not seen it yet - did i miss the pics of the battery pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Weird... My post is gone or never got posted, so I'll write it again.

    The more I hear about these gloworms, the more I feel like splashing out on a set.

    I am also considering a couple of DS-1300s because, build wise, they seem to be the Range Rover of homemade lights. But for less than 20,000 yen, I'm definitely going to consider two of these, also, one with an extra spot lens and one with an extra elliptical lens since the introductory price is so flipping keen!

    I'll run the elliptical on the bar and the double spot on my helmet; on flash in the city and full time in the dark/offroad.

    I have two questions.

    1) What is the current drain (wattage) of the system at the various power levels (including flash and super dim?) and thus what the run time can I expect from a well kept Magicshine 4400 battery pack.

    2) Since the cable is only 10cm long, if I purchase two light heads only, can I get two extension cords thrown in?

    thx.
    Hey,

    I have attached below the X2 programme chart which details lumens and runtime.



    The X2 comes pre-loaded with four programmes that are refined for the specific adventure. Each programme features ‘Normal Operation Modes’ (NOM) and one ‘Special Mode’ (SM). The SM is accessed with a 2 second pressof the remote switch from any NOM. A simple CLICK of the remote switch will return the X2 to NOM. Cycling through NOM is achieved by a CLICK. Switching the unit off is acheived by holding the switch down for about 4 seconds. The TRAIL Programme has been optimised for mountain biking.

    The Gloworm Battery is a 5800 mAh li-Ion battery, packed with 4 Panasonic Cells. If you intend to use a lower capacity battery the runtime will obviously be lower. For example you will get about 75% of the runtime using a 4400mAhr.

    @GraXXor - Yes an extension cable will be included!

    @NitroRC Ed - We did not want to release a pic of the battery pack until we had the final production version. Our battery pack is unique to the industry. It is a hard case battery similar to gemini/lupine. It has a voltage inidicator on the battery and is waterproof. The uniquness comes in the 'feel'. it has the 'sticky/tactile' feel of rubber, but is hard and protective like plastic. Additionally is had a square loop to hold the velcro strap.

    The battery has just finished being manufactrured and looks great! Photos to come very soon!

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    That is great news. Do you have a more realistic ship date for those that have made the preorder (myself included).

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    That is great news. Do you have a more realistic ship date for those that have made the preorder (myself included).
    Our aim is still the 20th......and we're on track. We will advise immediately if this can not be acheived for some reason

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    Do those various boost modes work well without overheating or is the high-mode recommended for slow-speed technical riding?

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    This seems like a pretty versatile light that I can also use for camping/hiking, etc....gonna order a 2nd one for helmet/redunduncy or to let a friend borrow in case of emergency.

    Is it possible to edit the modes? Like say for COMMUTER if I wanted STROBE as the special mode and 1200-1300 Lumens for BOOST mode. I would want the brightest possible for my commutes at night in the city and really like the strobe for day time (brighter and less energy consumption on this model). It seems the light has all the modes I would want and need except they're not in the same category and switching to them would be time consuming.

    Strobe - Dim - Boost is all I really see myself using regularly day in day out. So having those in one Category would be ideal for me. Other modes would be handy for times when I need them and wouldn't care if it took a while to get to them.

    That would make it perfect in my books....minus the mount issue still which I can somehow manage....
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    On a different tack, have you tested it mounted next to a wireless bike computer, my Magicshine's remote, caused a little interference with my cateye at low light modes, so I mounted the computer as far away as I could.

    Any testing done?


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    @gloworm.

    Thanks for the run time data. It looks like its pulling a shade over 2A @ 1000 lumens, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    @gloworm.

    Thanks for the run time data. It looks like its pulling a shade over 2A @ 1000 lumens, doesn't it?
    From the Gloworm site:

    Trail - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (Boost 2 Amps)
    Commute - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Flash (2Hz) (Boost 1.7 Amps)
    Adventure - Super Dim>Low>High. Special mode>Strobe (High 1.5 Amps)
    Bush - High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (High 2.2 Amps - designed to be used periodically for long distance spotting)

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    Going to be interesting to watch...

    and see what effect Chinese New Year has on the shipping of these presale orders that are supposed to start shipping on Jan 20th (Fri). Chinese New Year this year is Jan 23 (Mon)

    The X2 is a product of Microchina (TA Gloworm Manufacturing) and as such will be shipped direct from Hong Kong during the presale phase and for a few weeks thereafter.
    That whole part of the world pretty much shuts down for a week or two for the new year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    and see what effect Chinese New Year has on the shipping of these presale orders that are supposed to start shipping on Jan 20th (Fri). Chinese New Year this year is Jan 23 (Mon)

    The X2 is a product of Microchina (TA Gloworm Manufacturing) and as such will be shipped direct from Hong Kong during the presale phase and for a few weeks thereafter.
    That whole part of the world pretty much shuts down for a week or two for the new year.

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    @Cmd

    Chinese New year usually hovers around the beginning of February... but this year, the year of the Dragon, I believe it's January 23rd, one of the "earliest" -from a western point of view- Chinese News years for quite some time and some to come. So if the factories observe a traditional shutdown around that time, then there may well be some disruption, seeing as shipping is set for the 20th.

    @Matchpoint

    From the Gloworm site:
    Trail - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (Boost 2 Amps)
    Commute - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Flash (2Hz) (Boost 1.7 Amps)
    Adventure - Super Dim>Low>High. Special mode>Strobe (High 1.5 Amps)
    Bush - High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (High 2.2 Amps - designed to be used periodically for long distance spotting)

    Thanks for the fish, but IINM that is listing the LED drive current per XM-L which has already been discussed earlier in this forum. However, you'll notice that I'm talking about the system current, as driven from a 2SxP LiO/LiPO battery ala. Magicshine / Geoman ad-nauseum.

    If you can find *that* page on their website then I will be impressed!

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    C'mon Cat,

    Originally posted by Cat-man-do
    Now why'd you have to go and say that.
    you have been around here long enough to know that you always have to be thinking about that this time of year



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    Hi Everyone,

    Yes, Chinese NY has been a pressing issue - hence the shipping date was set as the 20th.

    As stated before we are still on track to get the presale units out on or before this date.

    @GraXXor - Our circuitry supplies 2A to both XML LEDs in series at BOOST in trail mode. Giving 1200 lumens. The runtimes have been derived based on this in addition to realtime tests. Each mode of each programme was tested to detrmine runtime. The average result of testing was actually a small % longer in duration than that published, however the minimum was as stated.

    In regards to the interference - the product has been designed to minimise 'noise' produced by the electronics. We have tested it alongside a couple of wireless speedometers without any interference, but as I understand the frequencies of such units does vary.

    @syadasti - At Boost mode in Trail Programme (1200 lumens) you will be able to use on tight slow single track without thermal cut back (as long as there is airflow over the unit and the ambient temperature is not extreme). However it is recommended that when stopping, the light is dropped to a lower setting.

    @Matchpoint - The 4 provided modes have been set and at this stage cannot be edited. I definitley see the benefit of this function and it will be a consideration as the product is developed and refined further. The Programmes as stated above were determined after discussions with groups of outdoor enthusiasts and cyclists.

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    Hi Bruce, Vag,

    I'm considering to buy one of this lights on pre-sale too and the kit without the charger and the battery, could you send me the link for this option?
    As I have two Geoman batteries I'm thinking to use one on the bar with MJ-872 and the other one with X2.

    Amazing light BTW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wriggle View Post
    I'm considering to buy one of this lights on pre-sale too and the kit without the charger and the battery, could you send me the link for this option?
    Its listed on the website:

    Gloworm Performance Products - Gloworm X2 - Light Only - Presales

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    Yeah, I know that, but I want the helmet and bar mounts and the extension cord. The link shows the light only without the extra accessories!

    EDIT: Bruce answered me: YES, it came with the mounts and the extension cord.
    Thank you very much Gloworm!
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    When does the pre-sale price expire? The holiday$$ took a bite out of my wallet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwchisme View Post
    When does the pre-sale price expire? The holiday$$ took a bite out of my wallet.
    I assume it will ends when they start the shipments at Jan 20th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwchisme View Post
    When does the pre-sale price expire? The holiday$$ took a bite out of my wallet.
    The Gloworm web site still list the X2 as "presales" so you should be good.

    ( Now with all this "Presales" stuff going on, I really think Gloworm would be smart to continue the present price ( at least during an initial product launch phase ) *if they really want to make some money. Besides, there are other similar competing products right now already on the market....but WTH do I know, I'm just a bike night riding freak. )
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    I believe they said that that the no GST price will continue until the device is shipped and "a little while thereafter." I think they haven't got their distributors in order yet.

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    Ordered two X2s... One with an extra elliptical lens and one with an extra spot!

    Here's hoping they ship on the 20th!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Ordered two X2s... One with an extra elliptical lens and one with an extra spot!

    Here's hoping they ship on the 20th!
    Hey GraXXoR, great to see you've ordered your lights!

    Just a quick update for everyone. We are on track to get the lights out on time to all you lucky ones who have preordered.

    Also we have made a small change to the commute programme. The flash mode is now 700 lumens and will last for 9hours, as opposed to the original 300 lumens and 12 hours.

    We look forward to getting the X2s out there and into your hands.

    BTW - we have done a submersion test with the battery, tick. Photos soon, we're just putting the finishing touches on the aesthetics.

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    Well I for one am very curious about these lights, but I have to admit that I'm pretty skeptical of new products . . . I will be waiting to hear results of long-term tests on these before I delve into one. On paper, they really do sound fantastic though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Well I for one am very curious about these lights, but I have to admit that I'm pretty skeptical of new products . . . I will be waiting to hear results of long-term tests on these before I delve into one. On paper, they really do sound fantastic though.
    I usually wait, too, but I wanted a light now and these sound really good, so I took the plunge and ordered one up! You ride near me, I think (I live in Agoura Hills and ride Palo/Cheeseboro, Backbone, Sycamore, etc.), so if you want to check it out once I get mine, let me know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoura_biker View Post
    I usually wait, too, but I wanted a light now and these sound really good, so I took the plunge and ordered one up! You ride near me, I think (I live in Agoura Hills and ride Palo/Cheeseboro, Backbone, Sycamore, etc.), so if you want to check it out once I get mine, let me know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Also we have made a small change to the commute programme. The flash mode is now 700 lumens and will last for 9hours, as opposed to the original 300 lumens and 12 hours
    Much better! Thank you for the change. I can now stick with the Commute Program and not have to switch to another one during the day.

    I really like the design shine's yellow acrylic lense cover for daytime use. Any possibility of such upgrades in the future? An acrylic front plate like his would be great for the extra sidespill....

    I don't want to be that guy that has a different light for a different purpose. I much rather have a couple of quality lights that do everything well. Less is more.

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    Went up $2? !


    Edit: was supposed to be a joke
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    Went up $2? !
    Did not go up, as people noted above its tied to the currency:

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    Greetings,
    I have a couple of questions.

    First off, I dont ride MTB at night but do ride my road bike. How are these lights for road riding, mainly suburban roads and darker unlit hilly routes? (Not sure if lights are optimised for trails v's road riding etc)

    Second, cant remember seeing it in the thread, but how does the battery attach to the frame? Is it with velcro wraps, some type of o-ring setup etc.

    I was looking at the new Magicshine MJ-880 but then stumbled across this light. I already have an MJ-808, but know that a lot of well designed products come out of NZ (Thats hard to admit for an aussie ) so am very interested in it.

    There's just so many well priced and well specced LED lights around these days its hard to know which way to jump!

    Does the lamp come with an assortment of different o-ring sizes for handlebar mount? Not sure, but the MTB bars in the pics look much fatter than standard road handle bars.

    One other thing, how do you change between the various programs with this light (Commute, Adventure etc)? I think it is a 2 second press to access the special mode (flashing when in Commute mode etc) but dont remember seeing how to change between program modes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Greetings,
    I have a couple of questions.

    First off, I dont ride MTB at night but do ride my road bike. How are these lights for road riding, mainly suburban roads and darker unlit hilly routes? (Not sure if lights are optimised for trails v's road riding etc)

    Second, cant remember seeing it in the thread, but how does the battery attach to the frame? Is it with velcro wraps, some type of o-ring setup etc.

    I was looking at the new Magicshine MJ-880 but then stumbled across this light. I already have an MJ-808, but know that a lot of well designed products come out of NZ (Thats hard to admit for an aussie ) so am very interested in it.

    There's just so many well priced and well specced LED lights around these days its hard to know which way to jump!

    Does the lamp come with an assortment of different o-ring sizes for handlebar mount? Not sure, but the MTB bars in the pics look much fatter than standard road handle bars.

    One other thing, how do you change between the various programs with this light (Commute, Adventure etc)? I think it is a 2 second press to access the special mode (flashing when in Commute mode etc) but dont remember seeing how to change between program modes.

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    TB
    Hey,

    Good bunch of questions there! I'll attempt to provide you with some good info.....

    Commuting/Road Riding - I come from a road riding (read - early morning training) background myself, and what I didn't like is a light with a big hot spot and dim halo. When we designed the X2 this was one thing we wanted to eliminate. The beam is smooth and wide plus the with the eliptical lens it makes it even wider. Plus there is a good flash mode built into the commuting programme to alert cars of your whereabouts.

    Battery - The battery is similar in style to Gemini and Lupine. Hard plastic with a loop to secure the unit to a bar or bag strap with the provided velcro. Additionally our batteries feature a rubberised texture providing a great tactile feel!

    NZ Design - The light has been 100% designed in NZ. I designed the housing/mounting systems, while the electronics were arranged by a great engineer (outdoor fanatic) contracted out of Wellington, NZ. I am a rider and runner and understand what is needed in a good light.

    O-rings - The light comes with 2 orings. One for standard bars and one for oversize. The one in the pic are oversize.

    Programme Changing - I have attahced the X2 Operating Instructions HERE. They detail how to change between modes. In reality it takes less than 30 seconds to change between the programmes.

    I hope that answers all your questions.

    Cheers

    Bruce
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    Hi Bruce, thanks for the prompt and informative reply and the link to the docco.

    I think I may just have to buy one!

    Cheers
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    Really tempting. Got three questions.
    1. Cutoff voltage. I like LiPolies over LiIons because even though they are heavier they can be charged in one hour. Would it be ok to use LiPo batteries with this light? What's the cutoff voltage for the battery?
    2. Any info on the tint? Is it neutral white or cool white?
    3. Is there any way of pivoting the light left to right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaVolt View Post
    Really tempting. Got three questions.
    1. Cutoff voltage. I like LiPolies over LiIons because even though they are heavier they can be charged in one hour. Would it be ok to use LiPo batteries with this light? What's the cutoff voltage for the battery?
    2. Any info on the tint? Is it neutral white or cool white?
    3. Is there any way of pivoting the light left to right?
    Hi Megavolt

    1. Batteries are protected at the pack to 5.75v (this is factory the specification). However the X2 also protects the batteries and will not let them go below 6.2v. When the light indicates low battery voltage by emmitting a flash it then commences a step down routine that will have the light extinguishing itself at 6.2v. You can read more about that process in the Operation Instructions at the link above.

    2. The tint is cool white, XML T6 LEDs.

    3. There is no way of piviting the light L/R. Less moving parts the more robust, plus when on the bars it is centred around the stem so 9/10 there is no reason to pivot it.

    I hope that helps!

    Cheers

    Bruce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hi Megavolt

    1. Batteries are protected at the pack to 5.75v (this is factory the specification). However the X2 also protects the batteries and will not let them go below 6.2v. When the light indicates low battery voltage by emmitting a flash it then commences a step down routine that will have the light extinguishing itself at 6.2v. You can read more about that process in the Operation Instructions at the link above.

    2. The tint is cool white, XML T6 LEDs.

    3. There is no way of piviting the light L/R. Less moving parts the more robust, plus when on the bars it is centred around the stem so 9/10 there is no reason to pivot it.

    I hope that helps!

    Cheers

    Bruce
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    I would guess all the worries about being able to turn the lighthead left and right are from people that have been using the original design Magicshine, which has such a tiny, narrow beam that it would almost never be pointing in the right place.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Well, I've taken a bit of a leap of faith and ordered one. Looking forward to getting it.

    Hopefully there wont be any "version 1.0" niggles when it goes into full production.

    TB

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    and see what effect Chinese New Year has on the shipping of these presale orders that are supposed to start shipping on Jan 20th (Fri). Chinese New Year this year is Jan 23 (Mon)



    That whole part of the world pretty much shuts down for a week or two for the new year.




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    Hi Everyone,

    We have some great news! The light will definetly be ready to ship out on or BEFORE 20th January.

    We've managed to finish before the Chinese NY.

    On other matters - Vag conducted an all night submersion test with the battery............it passed with flying colours! No water ingress. Tick!

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I would guess all the worries about being able to turn the lighthead left and right are from people that have been using the original design Magicshine, which has such a tiny, narrow beam that it would almost never be pointing in the right place.
    Well... no. A spot is a spot, and a spot on the road is not a great idea for obvious reasons. I usually direct my spotlight a bit to the right when on the road, which is different to when I'm in the forest.

    I also prefer neutral white.

    Pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaVolt View Post
    Well... no. A spot is a spot, and a spot on the road is not a great idea for obvious reasons. I usually direct my spotlight a bit to the right when on the road, which is different to when I'm in the forest.

    I also prefer neutral white.

    Pity.
    I think the point was that with this light the beam pattern ( even with the spot/ flood combo) is rather wide and usable without having to readjust the positioning all the time. There is no tight bright hotspot and a dim halo surrounding it, the beam is fairly even.
    Last edited by tb123; 01-13-2012 at 01:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Vag conducted an all night submersion test with the battery............it passed with flying colours! No water ingress. Tick!
    That's good news. What about the control switch itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    That's good news. What about the control switch itself?
    Hello,

    I have contacted several tests for the switch the last two weeks which were successful.

    When it comes to waterproofing there won't be any problem unless you decide to go Scuba Biking

    On behalf of the Gloworm Manufacturing team
    Greets from the Lab,
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    So far this has been a very informative thread. I really do want to thank the Gloworm people for all the time and effort that went into the production of the X2. Not to mention all the quick feed back to all the questions and requests that have come forth. To date, I don't think any other bike light manufacturer/vendor has been so forthcoming in setting the stage on a "Pre-sales product". I can't wait to get the light. I just hope I'm as pleased with the product as I think I'll be.

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    Not sure if its possible or not yet, but any chance of some photos of production ready lights and batteries and even the accessories if available?

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    How will the Gloworm compare, in terms of brightness, to the Cateye Stadium? I ask, because this is my only mega-light experience that I can use for comparison

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    G - 6 and counting!

    @Gloworm

    The attention to detail is impressive: All night water-boarding your lights and battery, switch water ingress testing... These things inspire confidence and make me feel more secure in my purchase, since this is the first time I've EVER bought something before it is actually released.

    So basically, if you can pull it off on time, I'll take my hat off to you. In this age of quick-fire releases under severe time pressure, it's really easy to let schedules slip. Of course, v 1.0 niggles are always a worry, but that's why we get a presales price, isn't it? We are the "gamma" testers after all.

    It's informative threads like this and the Designshine one that makes us come back here time after time!
    These agile products could easily be on the DIY Lights forum for all the input and feedback given!

    .... ahhh still G - 6...

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