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    High Lumen self contained bar lights - NOW WITH BEAMSHOTS!!! (Lots of them)

    Hi All,

    A while back OldAusDigger posted some information regarding using one of the the latest mega torches as bike lights. I too had the torch he was refering to, but could not find a decent mounting option to allow its use as a bike light. http://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night-riding/lupine-wilma-tl-vs-nitecore-tm11-766683.html

    It got me wondering if there was an affordable option for high lumen self contained bar lights and I think I have come up with a visually pleasing 'Frankenstein' solution. Direct competitors would be Exposure's Six Pack and Lupine Betty TL.

    Step 1: - Find appropriate light source .

    Step 2:- Find suitable bar mount/hardware solution and make necessary adjustments (cut threads etc)

    Step 3: Will it blend? (yes i know...gratuitous Blendtec(c) reference. If you're not familiar with it, YouTube it )

    Intersted yet, ready for photos? - Read on


    Weights of 'Frankenstein' solution as follows:

    Light head - 577 grams (inclusive of 4 x Jetbeam 18650 batteries @ 2300mah)
    Mounting hardware - 32 grams
    Total weight (+/-) - 611 grams.

    Light Specifications:
    * Light source: 3 x Cree XM-L U2 LED (Cool Tint)
    * Battery: 2 or 4 x 18650
    * Accessories: Hard case, belt pouch, car charger, removable carry handle and spare o-ring (all included)
    Output & Runtime: (per ANSI FL1 standards - manufacturers claim)
    * Strobe ( with two automatically changing frequencies)
    * Beacon (think light house - fade in/ fade out)
    * Low(1 LED, 60lm/55 hrs)
    * Medium(2 LEDs, 300lm/12 hrs)
    * High(3 LEDs, 1000lm/3 hrs)
    * Turbo(3 LEDs, 2000lm/2 hrs )
    * Beam Throw - 380m
    * Light Intensity - 35,000cd
    * Impact resistance - 1 m
    * Switch: Magnetic Ring Control switch - 1-3 LED control
    * Battery life indicator (4 x amber LED indicator)
    * Circuit design: constant current circuit, constant brightness
    * Working voltage range: 6-12.6V
    * Waterproof to IPX-8
    * Weight 396g (excluding batteries)
    * Case materials - Stainless steel & aluminium (type III hard anodized)
    * Dimesions: 145mm (L) . Main diameter of the tube measures 47.5mm (1.87") but flares out to 51.4mm (2.02") at the base and 61.8mm (2.43") at the widest point of the head.

    Thermal management:
    Built in protection - decreases to 60% output when greater than 80 degrees (celsius). Reverts to original power setting when temperature drops belwo 70 degrees. Over heat protection can be overridden if required.

    Battery management:
    * Built in power indicators (4 x amber LED indicator)
    * Built in protection - Defaults to low power mode when power is < 6.9V and auto shuts off @ 6.0V.

    LED Management:
    Always picks the next successive LED when you turn light off/on:


    Performance:
    Currently have :
    * Lupine Betty @ 1830 Lumens
    * Troutie 7 Up @ 2300 Lumens (approx)
    * Magicshines @ 900 & 1400 Lumens (nominal)
    * Cygolite Trion @ 600 Lumen.

    So how does it rate? - Great

    Easily matches if not surpasses the Lupine Betty & Troutie 7 up. Regretfully no beam shots to MTBR night photo specifications. Going by MK1 eyeball standards there should be no complaints regarding throw and spread of light. Can easily ride challenging terrain at speed @ 1000 lumen setting, and you are vapourisng your own trail @ 2000.

    Pros:
    * Great solution for less than $300 (can easily bring this down to approx $250 if you shop around)
    * Looks good (subjective)
    * Also functions as a dedicated torch/flashlight
    * All accessories included
    * Easy to carry extra batteries if required

    Cons:
    * Weight ? (not an issue for me)
    * Size / profile

    Unknowns:
    * Longevity of light
    * Durability of bar mount/hardware solution

    Ready for the photos??????
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    Last edited by Fury25; 05-01-2012 at 05:47 AM. Reason: Addition of beamshots

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    For the money that's awesome.
    Are you using an Exposure mount there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldAusDigger View Post
    For the money that's awesome.
    Are you using an Exposure mount there?
    Yep its the Exposure bracket & cleat.

    I also have the Nitecore TM11 and think I have come across an aluminium clamp mount which may work for bike work.

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    Interesting....but I think there is a point when something can simply take up too much room on the bars. IMO I think you have reached that point.

    A while back I considered using a torch that used 26650 ( 4000mAh ) cells. It would have had good run time but the trade off was that it was...well...hunky. In other words it just looked too big sitting on the bars. Since it put out the same amount of light as any other XML torch I had I decided to stay with my single 18650 cell torches. Just keep extra cells if needed. Rarely have I had to switch cells on a ride anyway. A good compact three mode XM-L torch is a thing of beauty.

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    Fury, can I please have some beamshots of this Frankie light. Use whatever settings but please let me know the exposure time and ISO. Imagine it'd eat the MJ-878 dive torch for breakfast.

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    BEAMSHOTS.....coming soon

    Hi All,

    I will hopefully be able to post up some comparitive beamshots per MTBR camera settings for the following lights:

    Magicshine @ 900 Lumen
    Magicshine @ 1400 Lumen
    Cygolite Trion 600
    Troutie 7 Up 2634 Lumens (4 x XPG R5 & 3 x XPE R2 )
    Lupine Betty 1750 Lumen
    Nitecore TM11 2000 Lumen (3 x XML T6)
    Niteye Eye30 2000 Lumen (3 x XML U2)

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    Can't wait to see the beam shots. There is one short-fall of this set-up though. If you use this as your bike light you will likely find yourself going home and having a real pressing desire to watch a couple old "Battlestar Galactica" episodes.


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    You can go a lot cheaper for fugly megabright torches, but not hit that spec. And they are pretty lumpy for bar lights. IMHO they are just too chunky to be bar mounted, big output lights are better off with a separate battery.

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    Beamshots as promised

    Hi All.

    CONDITIONS: Dark Night @ 21 degrees celsius approx 9pm.

    CAMERA SETTINGS:
    CAMERA USED:
    * CANON EOS 5D MARK-II
    * FIRMWARE v2.1.2 (latest version as at 2012-APR-20)

    LENS USED:
    * CANON ZOOM LENS EF 70-200mm 1:2.8 L IS II USM

    CAMERA SETTINGS:
    * APERTURE = f4
    * SHUTTER = 6 seconds
    * ISO = 100
    * WHITE BALANCE = Daylight

    LENS SETTINGS:
    * FOCAL LENGTH = 100mm
    * FOCUS = MF (MANUAL FOCUS)
    * IS = IMAGE STABILIZER (IS) = OFF

    LOCATION: Dirt track with markers set every 10 meters (30 Feet)

    SEQUENCE OF PHOTOS:
    Control
    Cygolite Trion 600: Low 150 Lumens / Med 300 Lumens/Med - High 450 Lumens / High 600 Lumens
    Magicshine MJ808 (DIY Upgraded P7 Bin): Low 500 Lumens / High 900 Lumens
    Magicshine MJ816: Low 500 Lumens / Med 900 Lumens / High 1400 Lumens
    Troutie 7 Up (4 x XPG R5 & 3 x XPE R2 Khatod PL1211xx 7 up - 6 degree optics): Med 1580 Lumens / High 2634 Lumens
    Lupine Betty 1750 Lumens (7 x XPG @ 16/22degrees): Med 1050 Lumens / High 1750 Lumens
    Nitecore TM11 (3 x XML T6): Low 200 Lumens / Med 550 Lumens / High 1100 Lumens / Turbo 2000 Lumens
    Niteye Eye30 (3 x XML U2): Low 60 Lumens / Med 300 Lumens / High 1000 Lumens /Turbo 2000 Lumens
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    Beamshots cont ...

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    Beamshots cont...

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    Compared to the Lupine 2600 Lumen

    Found these beam shots on a German website - not sure of camera settings
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