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    Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    I picked up a Gloworm X2 v2 Several weeks ago just in time for my last 24hr race and I was really impressed. I used it on the helmet and ran it on ether low or med for the single tracks and off for the climbs. I was able to get about 9hrs of life out of the one 4cell battery and never thought I needed more light.

    On the bars I was borrowing a magicshine mj-856 which is probably got the best flood angle of any light ever but lacks a bit of throw. The mj-856 is a great bar light but there two things I think the XS would do better.

    1. Remote switch: I don't understand why more manufacturers aren't adding this feature? Also hope the cable is long enough to reach my thumb.

    2. Energy efficiency: with new advancement in emitter tech you get more light with less energy use so I can run a new light for twice as long with the same level of light as the old light using the same sized batteries.

    Im already running dual spot lens in the X2 helmet light so I'm planning on running 3 floods in the XS.

    Ive got a 12hr next weekend that runs into the night about 3-4 hrs so Im hoping Action LEDs get some in next week so I can test them out in what probably the last night race of the year.

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    The XS has a considerable cost increase from the X2 so until I see some comparison pictures and reviews I'm gonna wait. I thought I had read it was available starting this week but I haven't seen it for sale yet.
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    I think their having parts problems, but we need the light now !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I think their having parts problems, but we need the light now !!
    Not sure how that news got out! However you are correct. The heart of the XS is driven by a component (buck boost regulator) which enables to achieve high levels of efficiency....we're talking 96% average (another reason why the cost is relatively high). Additionally it means the XS will operate using any Gloworm battery. However, we have now managed to get hold of this component in regular supply and will be shipping to our distributors early in the week.

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    I just figured that's what the problem was, I know you guy's only use really good parts. When newer products are late coming out, that is usually the problem. That's one reason's I like your company, you tell it like it is. No ******** !!
    Do you know the weight of the lighthead ?

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    Ship me one direct and ill test it this weekend

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    Looks like a sweet light.

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    Anybody know who the online distributor is? I'm looking for an XS system compatible with 120/60htz power (USA).
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    What lens combo does the XS come installed with?

    2 flood 1 spot?

    How far away can I mount the remote button from the light head when used on the handlebars?

    For us single speeder and free riders running wide bars its important to get that remote button all the way over to the thumbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I just figured that's what the problem was, I know you guy's only use really good parts. When newer products are late coming out, that is usually the problem. That's one reason's I like your company, you tell it like it is. No ******** !!
    Do you know the weight of the lighthead ?
    Sorry about the slow reply, busy busy trying to get these things out! Anyway the light head comes in at 99g with the helmet mount it will be 110g, with teh QR bar mount it will be 107g. Not bad for a geniune 2200 lumens.......

    Also the full system on the bar with high capacity 4 cell battery is 334g

    Remote is 180mm from the light head and it comes standard with 2 spots and a flood in the middle.

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    What is the amp draw on high?

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    Regarding the current draw.......this is one specification that we would rather not divulge. Although its not diffucult to calculate based on lumen out put etc - this will not be included in specifications.

    Sorry.....

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    Yeah you guys should really consider increasing that remote from lamp head length to around 250mm on the XS. 250 would be a tad long for a helmet but people could always just wrap a single time around the base for that and most riders will be using this on the bars anyways I believe. 180mm is just to short for riders using 700mm and wider bars to reach without moving our hands from the grip. If we have to take our hands off the grip then the remote kinda loses its purpose.

    Remember wrapping a wire around the handle bars because it's a few cm to long is a much smaller inconvenience then having to cut apart you brand new light and splice in a longer wire just so you can use the button.

    Thanks for keeping our suggestions in mind when making your products more awesome.

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    We seriously need to get some beam shots, lens configurations, options, and batt life stats on these puppies.

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    Hi Pig,

    We have left the beam shots up to MTBR this year as it is entirely unbiased.

    Lens configuration as given above is 2 spots and one flood, however extra optics are available and will be included in the set.

    It has a 2hr max life on high using our new 6800mAh high capacity 4 cell battery.

    It comes with the same programming options as the new X1 and X2 - 2 predefined programmes that are customisable. One programme has two light settings the other three. Each light level is adjustable as is the special mode.

    Hope this helps?

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    Thanks.

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    Hi Bruce,

    That 110g head weight is not bad, I think it will be perfect for helmet mounting, with the battery in my packpack. Can't wait to compare it to my Serfas True 1500 light. Great light but abit too heavy for head.

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    Eta?

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    I here the end of next week !!

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    After some initial disruptions we have finally have the Xs units ready to go. They should be available next week.
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    Man how did I miss this?!?! I've got every other version so about time I get ready to add this one. Is there a pre-sale on these like the previous ones or did I miss out on that?

    Looking forward to a new big little light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    Man how did I miss this?!?! I've got every other version so about time I get ready to add this one. Is there a pre-sale on these like the previous ones or did I miss out on that?

    Looking forward to a new big little light.


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    Lol. This looks like a must have light.

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    Was just thinking tonight after my ride I needed a bit more light than my X2's so I started looking. At least I found this when they are about to come out

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Yeah you guys should really consider increasing that remote from lamp head length to around 250mm on the XS. 250 would be a tad long for a helmet but people could always just wrap a single time around the base for that and most riders will be using this on the bars anyways I believe. 180mm is just to short for riders using 700mm and wider bars to reach without moving our hands from the grip. If we have to take our hands off the grip then the remote kinda loses its purpose.

    Remember wrapping a wire around the handle bars because it's a few cm to long is a much smaller inconvenience then having to cut apart you brand new light and splice in a longer wire just so you can use the button.

    Thanks for keeping our suggestions in mind when making your products more awesome.
    I think this is the one point where there needs to be an immediate change. Remote wire needs at least another 50mm but another 75mm might be better. I've been told a change is coming but this can be a deal breaker if you use wider bars.

    Jim from from ActionLED was willing to make custom changes to my X2 (v3) remote wire to accommodate my need. Not sure if he would do that for others but it might be worth looking into before buying. In the end I was able to stretch my wire just long enough to make it work but I would of rather had it a little closer to my thumb. I'm just glad I got mine to work without having to ship the lamp back.

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    220$ for lighthead.

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    Yes, 220.00 for lighthead is what I was told by Jim at ActionLed, I can't wait for some reviews and beam shots !!

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    Usually Action's description of the lighthead only option is "everything but the battery and charger" so I'm wondering if this includes the quick-release mount since my understanding is that it is part of the 2200 package.
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    If you consider buying any GW light with batterypack. Think twice.
    My pack went like this after 30 times use.Red led did not go off at all.I contacted a month ago european distributor and they promised cover it with warranty.I still have not received replacement battery pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeb View Post
    If you consider buying any GW light with batterypack. Think twice.
    My pack went like this after 30 times use.Red led did not go off at all.I contacted a month ago european distributor and they promised cover it with warranty.I still have not received replacement battery pack.
    Hi Seppo
    We replied to your email about this. A replacement was posted to Finland in October but we didn't know until you contacted us this week that you had not received it. Royal Mail are trying to locate the item and another will be sent if that one is not found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeb View Post
    If you consider buying any GW light with batterypack. Think twice.
    My pack went like this after 30 times use.Red led did not go off at all.I contacted a month ago european distributor and they promised cover it with warranty.I still have not received replacement battery pack.
    Hey All

    This issue has been rectified. When this issue was identified we made an immediate change to the battery setup. It is now working seamlessly as it should be.

    We appreciate any feedback such as this as it ensures we can provide consumers with answers and solutions a dynamic manner.

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    Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    ^^^classy response. Way to take the high road. There's enough childish bickering on this site.

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    Just preordered my XS with ActionLedLights using the cyber Monday coupon code for a little extra savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey All

    This issue has been rectified. When this issue was identified we made an immediate change to the battery setup. It is now working seamlessly as it should be.

    We appreciate any feedback such as this as it ensures we can provide consumers with answers and solutions a dynamic manner.

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    You know I wasn't going to worry about it and honestly at this point it doesn't seem to be that big a problem since the battery is alway in my back pack but. I ordered my gloworm X2 v2 just over a month ago from actionledlights, like a week before the v3 came out. I used it a couple times and the battery gauge seem to work ok but honestly I didn't really pay much attention to it the first few rides. Then after charging it one day then unplugging it and setting on the work bench I noticed two days later the little 100% led was still lit green. Several more rides later and I haven't seen any of the battery gauge LEDs light up at all during use or charging.

    The pack seem to charge and run the lights just fine for several hours but now that I'm getting the XS for the handlebars I'm thinking for the cost of these batteries it would be nice to look down at my battery and see if I should swap it or go another lap during my next solo 24hr.

    Let me know what you guys think should I be looking to get it fixed or just say hell with it and keep going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    You know I wasn't going to worry about it and honestly at this point it doesn't seem to be that big a problem since the battery is alway in my back pack but. I ordered my gloworm X2 v2 just over a month ago from actionledlights, like a week before the v3 came out. I used it a couple times and the battery gauge seem to work ok but honestly I didn't really pay much attention to it the first few rides. Then after charging it one day then unplugging it and setting on the work bench I noticed two days later the little 100% led was still lit green. Several more rides later and I haven't seen any of the battery gauge LEDs light up at all during use or charging.

    The pack seem to charge and run the lights just fine for several hours but now that I'm getting the XS for the handlebars I'm thinking for the cost of these batteries it would be nice to look down at my battery and see if I should swap it or go another lap during my next solo 24hr.

    Let me know what you guys think should I be looking to get it fixed or just say hell with it and keep going?
    RojoRacing53,

    Just get ahold of me off line and we'll get a new one coming your way. You can continue using the one you have until it arrives. (Wouldn't want you to miss any rides.)
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    On the way!

    The Gloworm XS's are finally on the way. They should arrive by next Monday, Friday if were lucky but considering the time of year probably not.
    I appreciate Gloworm taking the time to make sure everything is right but the wait has been tough.
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    My wife ordered me a lighthead kit for Christmas, no "bat. or charger" for sale price this month 198.00.
    Not bad, and it comes with the really nice 40.00 dollar bar mount with the kit. I will use 40.00 dollar SolorStorm x3 about 1500 lumens on the helmet, should be a nice combo. Gemini 4 cell 5200mah battery for the x3 and Xeecon 6 cell 7800mah for the XS on bars. Total of 350.00 for setup. I will post when I get with some picts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    My wife ordered me a lighthead kit for Christmas, no "bat. or charger" for sale price this month 198.00.
    Not bad, and it comes with the really nice 40.00 dollar bar mount with the kit. I will use 40.00 dollar SolorStorm x3 about 1500 lumens on the helmet, should be a nice combo. Gemini 4 cell 5200mah battery for the x3 and Xeecon 6 cell 7800mah for the XS on bars. Total of 350.00 for setup. I will post when I get with some picts.
    Nice setup for the money. I ride with a Gloworm X2 on my bars and tried a SolorStorm X2 on my helmet. The SSX2 was nice on the helmet as far as size and lightweight, but I found it just didn't offer much of a spot beam for throw. For turning and stuff it was definitely better than not having helmet light. I now use the Gloworm X1 on my helmet and it works great with the Gloworm X2 on the bar. It is small, lightweight and throws really well. Nice thing with the Gloworms is that you can buy just the lightheads and they work the most common connector type style batteries.

    That Gloworm XS lighthead should be a killer light. What a nice Christmas gift - you must have a wonderful wife! I really like the Gloworm products and dealing with Action LED lights and Gloworm is nothing but top notch.

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    Any comments on the solidity of the stock XS mount? Looks like the XS lighthead cantilevers quite far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    Any comments on the solidity of the stock XS mount? Looks like the XS lighthead cantilevers quite far.
    The Gloworm QR mount is CNC'd from billet so tougher than it's petite looks might suggest plus the XS light head is only 110g so there is very little weight to deal with.

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    The light weight of the XS head is one of the reason's I decided to get it, if I want to put on helmet I can. My Serfas True 1500 is I feel too heavy for the helmet, the color and quality of light beam with Serfas is the best I have so far. Very well designed and never over- heats. I have also Gemini Xera and Duo, SolorStrom x2 and x3. The Duo has some problems heat and Dims on long rides.
    This will be my first Gloworm product, I think the XS will be a great light. You get what you pay for. We'll see !!

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    The XS has arrived!!!

    Our shipment of Gloworm XS's has just arrived and I quickly got one onto the beam test stand. This light blows away anything else we sell. I had to switch scales on the light meter to get a reading.

    Gloworm XS are you getting one?-glowormxs.png

    (Just noticed the SSS and SFS labels are reversed)
    If your comparing this graph to others be sure and note that we had to increase the Y-axis to 2400 lux to fit it in.
    The only down side is that, as discussed previously, the flood lenses need work. The only real effect they have is to waste part of the light. So the SSS configuration is the best IMO. The light comes with SFS installed but has an extra spot and flood optic in the kit.

    I tried to get rid of this second graph but there's something I don't know.
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    Hey Jim, less testing more shipping

    Thanks for the graph I really life the way you graphs lay it out and they have been super helpful in understanding a lot of what the lights you sell have to offer. Keep up the good work.

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    Damn light is looking good. Might have to pull the trigger. The warden is not going to be happy

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    I just pulled the trigger on the Gloworm XS and the newest X1 for my helmet. So far I am loving my X2 v3.1 and cannot wait to check out the new XS!

    I am very pleased with Jim's customer service at Action-LED! I am a new customer but have already called him several times with questions and he always takes the time to answer. Jim has also been great with giving advice, quickly resolving problems, and getting parts or replacements out quickly. I know I can be a picky pain in the ass but because Jim seems to be able to deal with it, he'll continue to get my money but I think I'll give the poor guy a break and start emailing him. LOL

    Thanks again Jim!
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    My XS just arrived and everything looks to be in order. First off the alum quick release bar mount is way beyond what I would have expect in it being super solid and very trim and clean looking. If you've been reluctant to spent the money on the gloworm quick release bar mount because it looks very narrow and you suspect the light head will bounce around a lot. Well your going to be very surprise and how strong this thing can clamp on. The user interface is rock solid with a quick single press for trail mode and a double tap for commuter mode.

    I just flipped it one really quick to make sure the light works as intended, the fuel gauge on the new larger capacity 6800mA battery is working. I'll see about testing it tomorrow night in conjunction with the X2 V3 on the helmet.

    Again thanks goes out to Jim at Action LED Lights - Brilliant lighting for all your biking & outdoor sporting activities. for his excellent service and support.

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    Love to see some pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Love to see some pics!
    All I've got is an I-phone for a camera so do you want some mounted on the bike shots or beam shots?

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    Any pics would be appreciated.

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    I would love some mounted shots, please. I haven't seen the new mount in anything other than a computer rendering.

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    I will have pictures up tomorrow. I hope others post some pictures of theirs as well.

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    The angle is deceptive, there's more clearance than it looks in the picture Gloworm XS are you getting one?-img_20131224_234238-small-.jpg
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    I got mine in a few days ago, everything looks well built and designed. The only concern I have is of the velcro patch that the button is supposed to attach to. On my handlebar the actual contact point isn't that large, so it doesn't feel like the button is solidly attached, but time will tell if it's actually an issue.

    That being said, I really like everything about the Gloworm XS and can't wait to give it a try on my next night ride.

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    I just opened up my XS, one word to express "impressive". The remote switch is just a bit short. This light is well made and has a very high quality feel to it. The beam is wide with great throw !! Very nice first impression. Winner all the way. Can't wait to go out !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by neb001 View Post
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    I got mine in a few days ago, everything looks well built and designed. The only concern I have is of the velcro patch that the button is supposed to attach to. On my handlebar the actual contact point isn't that large, so it doesn't feel like the button is solidly attached, but time will tell if it's actually an issue.

    That being said, I really like everything about the Gloworm XS and can't wait to give it a try on my next night ride.
    Was wondering,,,,, is there enough clearance to have the lamp head down in front of the stem and handle bars,,, as apposed to where you have it located in your photo? The reason I ask is it would survive an endo much better lower down? Cheers!!

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    Killer pics. Thanks guys. Keep them coming.

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    Gloworm XS are you getting one?-049eeb20-95cb-473e-98a1-5b1060871c69_zpszvw7yz18.jpg
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    The absolute farthest I can reach my thumb without having to take my hand off the bars. These are currently 685mm bars but I'm running 750mm on my AM bike.
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    The remote button is as far out as I can get with the cable already at it's length limit. The new batteries with shorter cable are making an already annoying issue and making it unmanageable. There must be a cable shortage over at gloworm or something
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    Found a small crack in the button body which probably isn't going to do me any favors in the water proof department. I'll see if Jim can get me a new button then maybe I can lengthen the cable while I'm in there fixing it.
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    I have the light mounted underneath for 3 reasons.
    1. the lower and farther away the light source is from your head the better shadows it will cast giving you more trail definition.
    2. It allows me to flip my bike upside down for quick trail maintenance.
    3. It the best position to make the already to short cables work, kind of.

    I could mount the battery on top of the top tube but then my knees catch the battery straps and shift the battery sometime when I'm trying desperately to get the single speed up a climb. I could go under the down tube but then the battery will get beat to shit with mud and rocks. Gloworm please stop shortening your cables, trust us we really do not mind having to make one or two wraps around the handlebar to take up slack. A wrap or two around the handle bars is a much welcome problem compared to not having enough to accommodate even a compact setup such as mine.

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    O yea RojoRacing!! Killer

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    let me know if there's anything else you guys want. I'm considering a few shots with the parts on my table top scale as well as a video of me testing on my local single tracks.

    the product is so close to being absolutely perfect in every way minus the cables it's killing me.

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    Hi Rojo

    The cable lengths have now been addressed and although it won't affect you immediately, customers from end of January will see a significant difference. We are even changing the cable outer material to ensure flexibility.

    Regarding waterproofing of the switch, the crack won't affect it, however you should claim a warranty on the unit and Jim will replace.

    Good luck with the XS! It's our favourite so far!

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    The absolute farthest I can reach my thumb without having to take my hand off the bars. These are currently 685mm bars but I'm running 750mm on my AM bike.
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    The remote button is as far out as I can get with the cable already at it's length limit. The new batteries with shorter cable are making an already annoying issue and making it unmanageable. There must be a cable shortage over at gloworm or something
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    Found a small crack in the button body which probably isn't going to do me any favors in the water proof department. I'll see if Jim can get me a new button then maybe I can lengthen the cable while I'm in there fixing it.
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    I have the light mounted underneath for 3 reasons.
    1. the lower and farther away the light source is from your head the better shadows it will cast giving you more trail definition.
    2. It allows me to flip my bike upside down for quick trail maintenance.
    3. It the best position to make the already to short cables work, kind of.

    I could mount the battery on top of the top tube but then my knees catch the battery straps and shift the battery sometime when I'm trying desperately to get the single speed up a climb. I could go under the down tube but then the battery will get beat to shit with mud and rocks. Gloworm please stop shortening your cables, trust us we really do not mind having to make one or two wraps around the handlebar to take up slack. A wrap or two around the handle bars is a much welcome problem compared to not having enough to accommodate even a compact setup such as mine.



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    Those improvements are good news.
    Trustworthy warranty service eventhough shipping company lost my parcel somewhere.
    Keep up with great work.
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    I'll have to give the lower mounting a try on my bike, though I think my cables might get in the way. I definitely agree with the comment on the length of the cables. While it's good to hear the ones made later will have that fixed that doesn't exactly help with current owners

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    Because the XS has three leds my cable doesn't really cast a shadow. Even if you get a shadow it'll probably be in the first 10' on the trail in front of you which wouldn't really be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Because the XS has three leds my cable doesn't really cast a shadow. Even if you get a shadow it'll probably be fast in the first 10' on the trail in front of you which wouldn't really be a problem.
    I did a quick test and you're right, that's pretty much how it worked out. Thanks for the idea and reasoning behind it!

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    I am a little disappointed with the length if the remote as previously mentioned it could have been longer. I'm not sure it my unit can be retrofitted later or not in January.


    Also, does anyone's charger led to red when charging? Mine doesn't and I'm thinking I have a bad charger. I will have to contact Action Led Lights tomorrow to confirm. This might ruin my night ride tomorrow

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    With the charger plugged in and to battery connected it should be green, then connect a "used" battery and it should go solid red, once charged it'll go solid green again. You could always check the voltage with a meter. What does the battery fuel gauge say the batteries current charge is at?
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    It does sound as though you have a faulty charger. Action will replace this without question.

    Regarding the remote length, there will be no retrofit option unfortunately.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuthenticAMD View Post
    I am a little disappointed with the length if the remote as previously mentioned it could have been longer. I'm not sure it my unit can be retrofitted later or not in January.


    Also, does anyone's charger led to red when charging? Mine doesn't and I'm thinking I have a bad charger. I will have to contact Action Led Lights tomorrow to confirm. This might ruin my night ride tomorrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    With he charger plugged in and to battery connected it should be green, then connect a "used" battery and it should go solid red, once charged it'll go solid green again. You could always check the voltage with a meter. What does the battery fuel gauge say the batteries current charge is at?

    Fair point. It's currently showing 80% on the gauge, and just wanted to top it off before my ride today. It's possible the gauge is off and is closer to 100%. I'll just keep monitoring it on the ride, if I end up going.

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    Pics of the Gloworm XS on my cyclocross bike






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    Sweet setup...sweet bike.

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    Fiddly remote

    I suppose the remote is designed mainly for use with a helmet. I have an X2 V2 and was going to upgrade to XS but the remote design puts me off. My X2 is a super light head and beam but I ended up using a base of a magicshine lamp and a rubber band to try and keep the remote in place on the bars. I have noticed a couple of lights coming through with wireless remote and one with a plug in remote.
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    Hey,

    The remote was actually designed to use on bar to ensure your hands can stay put on the grip, or with minimal movement.

    The actual design could be refined for use on the bar and we are working on a solution to make this an even more rock solid feature.

    Additionally the length of the cable is to be increased for more adaptability.

    A couple of ideas we are testing at present is securing the switch using an oring arrangement and a slightly curved base to the switch unit.

    As usual, any ideas are welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesoudeur View Post
    I suppose the remote is designed mainly for use with a helmet. I have an X2 V2 and was going to upgrade to XS but the remote design puts me off. My X2 is a super light head and beam but I ended up using a base of a magicshine lamp and a rubber band to try and keep the remote in place on the bars. I have noticed a couple of lights coming through with wireless remote and one with a plug in remote.
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    It's good to hear you're working on a fix for the switch. I replaced the stock velcro with some 3m dual lock and it seems to be holding fairly well. While it's still not perfect because the actual engagement point between the pads consists of maybe 1-3 rows of dual-lock, it's certainly more solid than the stock velcro.

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    Bruce,

    Since the new Gloworm bar mount is very similar to Lupine's Betty R bar mount, I think you should continue down that path and mimic the mount for Lupine's wireless Peppi. Theirs is a very simple, elegant, and effective design.

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    I too wish the remote switch wire were longer so I'd be able to mount it closer to the hoods of my cross bike but at least Gloworm has listened and is working on it. I have no regrets buying the XS. The light delivers a lot of light but what I really love about the XS is the output combined with the spread and throw! This one is a keeper and will be staying on my bars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey,

    The remote was actually designed to use on bar to ensure your hands can stay put on the grip, or with minimal movement.

    The actual design could be refined for use on the bar and we are working on a solution to make this an even more rock solid feature.

    Additionally the length of the cable is to be increased for more adaptability.

    A couple of ideas we are testing at present is securing the switch using an oring arrangement and a slightly curved base to the switch unit.

    As usual, any ideas are welcome!

    cheers

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    I understand your going to lengthen the remote button section of wire but will you also be lengthening the section the goes to the battery? With your latest batteries coming with cables that are 2-3" shorter then before we can't turn the wheel to 90degs. Also the section of wire that goes from the light-head to the Y junction can be shorter and the difference added to the two individual wires going to the button and battery.

    I have a good idea for holding the button to the bar with an o-ring. It's quite simple but you would need to make the part. I made one for my lupine remote button years ago and it worked great. It you guys need help testing in real world conditions and getting racer feedback just let me know. I'm always riding at night and plan to compete for the overall solo win in several 24hr races this year so I really do use the shit of my all the products I use.

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    Any night shots???

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    I just finished a 40 mile night trail ride using the Gloworm XS on the bars of my cyclocross bike and the newest Gloworm X1 on my helmet. What a dynamic duo! I love my lights! Thanks again Jim at action-led-lights.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by rescay View Post
    I just finished a 40 mile night trail ride using the Gloworm XS on the bars of my cyclocross bike and the newest Gloworm X1 on my helmet. What a dynamic duo! I love my lights! Thanks again Jim at action-led-lights.com

    Excellent to hear the X1 works with the XS.

    What power were you running the XS, and type of terrain? Open, closed vegetation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    It does sound as though you have a faulty charger. Action will replace this without question.

    Regarding the remote length, there will be no retrofit option unfortunately.

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    Well, you should consider it! I would be pissed as hell if I spent this much money on a light and the remote doesn't reach far enough. Total BS. You should be happy that you have early adapters who are spending big money without seeing one review. Don't screw them over.

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    Hey varider

    I love your passion and understand exactly where you are coming from.

    To provide a bit of background, the cable length was specified for a 720mm bar (considered the average size at the time - about 18 months ago). It was designed to sit just inside the shifter mount so a little bit of movement was required to press the button.

    Over the past 18 months average bar size has most likely increased in addition to the fact every rider will want to place the switch somewhere different.

    We have just specified a new length for the switch that will have it 6cm (over 2 inches) longer than the current version. This means the total length from light to switch will be in excess of 25cm.

    To retrofit a new cable to a light not as easy as plug and go, however we are looking at ways all the time of how to increase the versatility of the product which may include an optional remote or even wireless.

    Thanks for your concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey varider

    I love your passion and understand exactly where you are coming from.

    To provide a bit of background, the cable length was specified for a 720mm bar (considered the average size at the time - about 18 months ago). It was designed to sit just inside the shifter mount so a little bit of movement was required to press the button.

    Over the past 18 months average bar size has most likely increased in addition to the fact every rider will want to place the switch somewhere different.

    We have just specified a new length for the switch that will have it 6cm (over 2 inches) longer than the current version. This means the total length from light to switch will be in excess of 25cm.

    To retrofit a new cable to a light not as easy as plug and go, however we are looking at ways all the time of how to increase the versatility of the product which may include an optional remote or even wireless.

    Thanks for your concern.

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    Wow. You guys take a lot of abuse over something that's impossible to please everyone. Ask 50 people how long they want the remote wire and you'd get 50 different answers. People get their panties in a bunch over this? No wonder our Congress can't agree on anything. I for one would not like a longer remote wire. I use my light only on the lid and the extra length would be a PITA. Just goes to show.

    Cordless remote is the answer. One less thing for people to whine over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Well, you should consider it! I would be pissed as hell if I spent this much money on a light and the remote doesn't reach far enough. Total BS. You should be happy that you have early adapters who are spending big money without seeing one review. Don't screw them over.
    Couldn't agree more. Gloworm's response below....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey varider

    I love your passion and understand exactly where you are coming from.

    To provide a bit of background, the cable length was specified for a 720mm bar (considered the average size at the time - about 18 months ago). It was designed to sit just inside the shifter mount so a little bit of movement was required to press the button.

    Over the past 18 months average bar size has most likely increased in addition to the fact every rider will want to place the switch somewhere different.


    We have just specified a new length for the switch that will have it 6cm (over 2 inches) longer than the current version. This means the total length from light to switch will be in excess of 25cm.

    To retrofit a new cable to a light not as easy as plug and go, however we are looking at ways all the time of how to increase the versatility of the product which may include an optional remote or even wireless.

    Thanks for your concern.

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    My take on what I've highlighted above...^^

    I think it needs to be conceded at this point that someone dropped the ball on the remote issue. Remote length was an issue back with the original X2's and that was more than a couple years ago. It was well pointed out not only by myself but by others as well. Not to mention that the wider riser bars used on a lot of FS cross-country bikes have been out there for several years. ( I've owned mine for maybe 6-7 years. Been so long I've lost count ).

    Now to be fair when the new X2's were released this year I was first to point out that the remote length was even shorter than the previous version of the X2 that I already owned. At that time the new ( triple ) XS had yet to be released. That said someone decided to proceed and release the present version of the XS. I'm just glad that finally the issue is being recognized and steps being taken to correct it.

    Now as long as replacements are provided for people who want them when the corrected versions are available I will be a happy camper. Until then I'll try to be patient and wait till the end of January when all this is suppose to take place. In the mean time the people who are buying the Gloworm lights ( as they currently are ) have been given ample warning as long as they are reading the MTBR Gloworm threads.

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    Are their any technical reasons for shortening the remote?

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    a wireless remote would be joy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    a wireless remote would be joy!
    Well...depends.... In theory something that is wireless is preferable. In practice in order to accommodate the transmitter/battery assembly a wireless remote has to be larger. The one used on the Xeccon Sogn 900 looks slightly bigger than a match box. Not only will it have a larger footprint on the bars but there may be issues getting it mounted in a spot where it won't interfere with other equipment ( or vice versa ) yet still be easily accessible. A lot depends on design. Also keep in mind there is going to be another battery to either charge or replace. All things considered, a wireless remote "might" be more trouble then it's worth. In comparison the Gloworm "wired remote" is roughly 20mm x 20mm x 7mm....which is quite small. I like small. Give me another 5-7cm of wire and I'm fine.

    Now with all these things in perspective having a usable wireless remote for the helmet lamp ( that could be mounted on the bars yet not stick out like a sore thumb ) would be the sweetest thing.

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    Hi All,

    Thanks for the responses here. Without such feedback the X2 would never be where it is today and the XS would probably not exist.

    Over the past couple of years, we have put ourselves out there ready to take constructive criticism without opposition. While all feedback is listened to and taken seriously, some suggestions and observations will not be utilised as they are very personal and would not suit a product that is designed for the mass market.

    However, most suggestions that we have received are carefully analysed and used (at least in part) in an attempt to improve the product and therefore your customer experience. Originally when the products were first designed, specifics were discussed in focus groups (of users – mtbers, adventurers, roadies) and sound decisions were made based on many facets.

    We consider ourselves dynamic in responding to feedback, however we analyse feedback trends to ensure potential changes are being made for the majority of the potential market. Such moves must be carefully calculated from a marketing and manufacturing point of view.

    We not only receive feedback from MTBR. We regularly receive other constructive criticism from media reviews, direct emails and face to face discussion – and yes it is hard to please everyone all of the time.

    Gloworm products are backed up 100%. All someone needs to do if they are dissatisfied with the product is to contact the place where it was bought and a solution will be provided. If any problem you can also contact us directly (vaggelis@glowormlites.co.nz or Bruce@glowormlites.co.nz) and we will look at taking the appropriate steps through our distributors/retalers. We are fully dedicated to the customer experience and unconditionally improving our products every day.

    Cheers

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    Also bear in mind the fun that would ensue when you take a spill and the wireless remote goes m.i.a. in the brush or the battery dies somewhere along the trail. If it was me, it would probably happen miles from home when I shut the light off. For me, the best answer would be some type of modular connection and a few different cords to choose from at the users discretion. Normal, a couple inches shorter for the helmet, or a couple inches longer for wide bars. Even if it raises the price a few dollars, that would be a worthwhile feature for many imo

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    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
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    I ran the XS for about 4 hrs of MTBing last Thursday. Its a mix of exposed fire roads and narrow canyon single tracks with a decent amount of trees and a few upper ridge routes. I like my bar light to have a very wide beam so I was running my own diffuser lens so I can't comment on the beam pattern but I will tell you it is noticeably brighter then my X2 v3. I ended up running my old 5800 battery that came with the XS v2 because the cable is a few inches longer so I can turn my wheel to 90degs left and right without the tugging on the cable to hard. I always switch the setting to high for a few of the gnarliest descents then back to low for the climbs. If there's a gradual rolling single track then ill run it on medium. After 4hrs on the trail and 3-1/2hrs of rolling time the XS flashed quick three or four time letting me know the 5800 battery was low but I only had one last 4 min descent left in the ride.

    Not to beat a dead horse but I was having some minor issues with the remote button. Most of this may be just because I'm having to scoot my hand over from where it should to to reach the button.

    The vague button click can be a challenge to fell through full finger gloves when in a hurry, I'm only in a hurry because I just started my rocky descent and I'm frantically trying to increase the light output but every time I try I get kicked in the ass because I'm can't reach the brake. In my panic my accidentally pressed the button twice to fast and entered the programming mode so I just gave up and finished the trail slowly with the light on low.
    I think if we could get a more solid click from the button it would make it easier to use. I know some will say I should just adjust my light level before descending and yes I normally do but sometimes you forget till your already dropping off the first rock and realize you can't see because your light setting is to low. I referencing the button to my old lupine betty where it had a good solid button click and I never had an issue using it mid rock garden.

    The other thing which has also been mentioned before is the crappy mounting of the button via simple Velcro, again probably wouldn't be an issue if I wasn't having to awkwardly reach my thumb over to feel for the button. Because the button is flat and the bar is round when you press a little low or high of center the button will tip causing even more vagueness. I found lightly wrapping a single loop of electrical tape around the button to further stabilize the button to the bar works ok but not perfect. You can't wrap the tape as tight as you'd like for stabilization because if you do then the tape with not allow the button to return after you press it.

    I've never used one before but the "exposure light" remote button looks like a simple and effective option. It has a simple Velcro attachment strap but the base is concave to properly sit on the bars. I'm considering buying this switch and just spicing the wires to get extra length and a more solid mount but for $50 I'll wait a bit longer and see if gloworm has in store with its late January improvements.

    I'm planning to ride from 9pm tomorrow evening till about sunrise on new years day so I'll be bring multiple batteries and trying to stretch the burn time as long as I can.

    The light is a great light it just has a few small quirks in its layout that I wish were better suited for a handlebar light. Meanwhile the XSv3.1 is absolutely awesome on the helmet and with the new proper user interface program I can think of anything I'd want to change on it, so there I'm not totally negative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
    HR monitors seems to deal just fine with this as well as any bluetooth devices. Off course it might make the device a little more complicated and/or expensive. A remote should be paired with the associated light. Anybody has experience with Lupine remotes? They seem to have it down pretty well (the remote does not appear to be very big).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
    Normally they all use a slightly different coded signal kinda like the garmin Hr monitors. But if they ever overlapped then it would save me the trouble of having to reach all the way over to my buddies handlebar to randomly turn off his light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    In practice in order to accommodate the transmitter/battery assembly a wireless remote has to be larger. The one used on the Xeccon Sogn 900 looks slightly bigger than a match box. Also keep in mind there is going to be another battery to either charge or replace. All things considered, a wireless remote "might" be more trouble then it's worth. In comparison the Gloworm "wired remote" is roughly 20mm x 20mm x 7mm.
    Standard Redhead matchbox dimensions are 53mm x 36mm x 15mm. Xeccon's two-button remote is 38mm x 28mm x 10mm. Very true about having to replace the coin battery at some point. Those batteries are cheap and should last a couple of seasons. Wireless systems should also have a secondary back-up switch on the light head itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
    Wireless light heads and remotes are mated. I tried running two wireless Sogns with one remote but no-can-do. Wireless range is at least 6 meters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    ....Not to beat a dead horse but I was having some minor issues with the remote button. Most of this may be just because I'm having to scoot my hand over from where it should to to reach the button.

    ...The vague button click can be a challenge to fell through full finger gloves when in a hurry, I'm only in a hurry because I just started my rocky descent and I'm frantically trying to increase the light output but every time I try I get kicked in the ass because I'm can't reach the brake. mounting of the button via simple Velcro, again probably wouldn't be an issue if I wasn't having to awkwardly reach my thumb over to feel for the button. Because the button is flat and the bar is round when you press a little low or high of center the button will tip causing even more vagueness. I found lightly wrapping a single loop of electrical tape around the button to further stabilize the button to the bar works ok but not perfect. You can't wrap the tape as tight as you'd like for stabilization because if you do then the tape with not allow the button to return after you press it.
    I can relate. Never had a problem with the older X2 but as you mentioned sometimes changing modes in tough terrain can be a challenge. Same thing happens when changing gears though. Do it at the wrong time and it doesn't work so great. As long as the remote is close enough to your thumb it usually isn't a problem. Never had any issues myself with mode changes while wearing full finger gloves. All this depends on your remote mounting solution though. With the shorter remote wires your options are limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post

    ...a usable wireless remote for the helmet lamp ( that could be mounted on the bars yet not stick out like a sore thumb ) would be the sweetest thing.
    ^^ THIS is a cool idea ^^

    If there were an additional option to attach the wireless remote to the wired switch of a wired gloworm product that would be cool. Both switches in the near same place. Effectively tethered so the wireless one wouldn't be lost in a crash/tumble = sweet.

    Let me know if you need a crash tester

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    Interesting idea for remote switch

    Just had a little brain storm just before hitting the sack. Thought I'd pass it on in case I forget it tomorrow.

    For those of us with a roll of the sticky reflective 3M tape; Cut some small pieces and apply it to the outer edges of the Gloworm remote switch. I haven't try it yet but I figure it might help me spot the remote when bouncing over rough terrain. Of course it won't help unless you're using a helmet light though.

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    Why would you even think of adjusting your light over rough terrain ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Why would you even think of adjusting your light over rough terrain ?
    For the same reason you might want to change gears while going too slow...sometimes it just happens

    ...typical scenario; You've just come down a hill will all lights on full. Suddenly you find yourself climbing over a really tough slow uphill loaded with roots, rocks and ruts. Your poking along again and all of your lights are over-heating and wasting output. Usually really easy to change the bar lamp ( with remote ) but the helmet lamp, that's sometimes tricky.

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    Yea I guess with all my prior lights not having remote, it will now change with the XS. I broke my hand 2 days before I got the light so I have not use it yet !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Just had a little brain storm just before hitting the sack. Thought I'd pass it on in case I forget it tomorrow.

    For those of us with a roll of the sticky reflective 3M tape; Cut some small pieces and apply it to the outer edges of the Gloworm remote switch. I haven't try it yet but I figure it might help me spot the remote when bouncing over rough terrain. Of course it won't help unless you're using a helmet light though.
    It's too bad they don't use a lighted external switch like Lupines do. On another note, I get confused when people are calling the Gloworm switches remote when I call it external because remote sounds like it would be something wireless. Oh well, Happy New Year!

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    After having a look through feedback of other remote (extension) switches for other lights it seems that the silicon O-ring is the preferred fitting arrangement. Riders also state that they require a button that gives tactile feedback when pressed and can be used with winter gloves. There are other complaints of too short wiring so not unique to Gloworm. If a plug-in remote switch was used, there would have to be by default a switch on the light body which may not be desirable. Some switches have two buttons...one for power on/off and the other for modes. The popular magic shine type of remote has LED colour indicators that give a rough idea of the charged stated of the battery which is a lot more visible when riding than being on the battery (which is mostly tucked out of sight...and mine just seems to stay green!!). A wireless remote is a further step that requires an additional battery and if lost in a fall etc means that the light will not have a control function...unless there is a switch on the lamp body...hmm.

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