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    Because who doesn't like options right?
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    Ok so after driving around for 20 mins I finally found a building with a dark enough wall to take some beam shots. I took shots of all 4 light level setting(10%, 20%, 60% & 100%) for each of the 6 lens options as well a the standard clear lens with triple spot optics for reference. I mounted the light to my truck so I could swap lenses without moving its angle. My camera was placed on top of my truck so it also never moved since I used an app on my phone to control it remotely.

    Ok so I name the lenses so you guys can connect the pics to a lens.

    From the top to bottom
    Double Wide
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    Double Center Wide
    Between Wide
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    Stock Spot(not pictured)
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    Spot 10%
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    Spot 20%
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    Spot 60%
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    Spot 100%
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    Double Wide 10%
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    Double Wide 20%
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    Double Wide 60%
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    Double Wide 100%
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    Single Wide 20%
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    Single Wide 60%
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    Single Wide 100%
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    Triple Center Wide 10%
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    Triple Center Wide 60%
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    Double Center Wide 10%
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    Between Wide 10%
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    My vote is going to the double wide and now I'm considering making a Full Triple Wide version. In these next two Photos I've outlined the left edge of the spot and the second ring(your useful flood area). The first photo is the stock lens and the second photo is the Double Wide lens. Notice the red line for the spot moves out a bit but you gain even more with the second ring area. You seem to lose just a hair on top but that doesn't really matter.
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    Here's a photo with me(5'10") with the Double Wide shot for size of spot reference.
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    Did you use the same camera settings for all shots?

    Would like to see some sphere results... but more importantly, that double, and maybe a triple wide lens are abviously going to get some of the light out of opposing traffic's eyes and place in an an area that is useful for road riding. I definately would like a double and/or triple wide like this that actually widens the beam to the point of being a benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingtaco View Post
    Did you use the same camera settings for all shots?

    Would like to see some sphere results... but more importantly, that double, and maybe a triple wide lens are abviously going to get some of the light out of opposing traffic's eyes and place in an an area that is useful for road riding. I definately would like a double and/or triple wide like this that actually widens the beam to the point of being a benefit.
    Yes same camera settings for every shot. I'll see about cutting a triple today then retaking the spot, double and triple shots again.

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    After detail comparison I think DoubleWide and TripleCenterWide are very close, maybe even TripleCenterWide beam is a hair better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    After detail comparison I think DoubleWide and TripleCenterWide are very close, maybe even TripleCenterWide beam is a hair better.
    I saw that this morning when I was glancing through the pics. I'll be curious to see how they rate on Jim's graph. It will be cool to see all 8 lenses color coded on the same graph.

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    @Rojo, I have to say being able to custom manufacture your own flood lenses is just the coolest thing. Not a person on the forum can say they are not a bit envious. I wish I could get something like these for the Chinese reflector lamps using multiple emitters ( with the SSX3 and XT40 in mind ). Two flood lenses on the XT40 ( out of four ) would make it a much more effective ( cheap ) bar lamp.

    Maybe we'll get lucky and the Chinese will see your post and start selling something similar.

    On a side note I think you got the series with the single wide's labeled wrong. I figure the 10% one is actually the 100% one ( and so forth ). Not hard to figure out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    @Rojo, I have to say being able to custom manufacture your own flood lenses is just the coolest thing. Not a person on the forum can say they are not a bit envious. I wish I could get something like these for the Chinese reflector lamps using multiple emitters ( with the SSX3 and XT40 in mind ). Two flood lenses on the XT40 ( out of four ) would make it a much more effective ( cheap ) bar lamp.

    Maybe we'll get lucky and the Chinese will see your post and start selling something similar.

    On a side note I think you got the series with the single wide's labeled wrong. I figure the 10% one is actually the 100% one ( and so forth ). Not hard to figure out.
    Yeah if you click on the picture you can see the label in its file name so I'll go back and fix it later when I'm on the PC.

    Your right about making my own mods to things I own. I have very sporadic moments of motivation and I just run with when I happen upon them, the rest of the time I'm just a procrastinating lazy bastard. Over the years I've made the entire Ninja 250 motorcycle forum envious with my constant mods to my streetbike. I'd say only about 10% of the things I make are made avalible to others when I'm done because its ether to big a PITA to repeat or simply cost so much they could never justify paying me. Make mod to use ZX-10 mirrors on the ninja 250 for example would cost in the neighborhood of $400 which is crazy when you consider the bike it only worth $3500.

    If you have a simple lens you want made then give me some dimensions and I'll see what what I can do in my spare time. If its a simple circle then no problem but if its like the gloworm then that'll require some actual thinking and we'll have hope I'm in one of those motivational streaks. I'm not a machinist nor a qualified engineer, what I am is someone who payed way to many video games when he was a kid and is extreamly analytical. One day at work I was placed in front of a CNC mill and asked to figure it out so I did and in my spare time I've been making little nik nacks ever since.

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    Rojo...that is incredible, and thanks for sharing! The difference in the double wide is amazing. Your comparison where you show the stock lens and the double wide below it is unreal. I would feel MUCH better about riding anything after dark with that versus the small "tunnel" look of the stock lens. Unless it dramatically affects the throw, that's a homerun in terms of improvement. I would forego a lot of throw for that wide of an angle, simply because I won't be ripping it up too much after dark anyway. (Although I know guys who swear they don't slow down a single mph when they night ride).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWAtrailyguy View Post
    Rojo...that is incredible, and thanks for sharing! The difference in the double wide is amazing. Your comparison where you show the stock lens and the double wide below it is unreal. I would feel MUCH better about riding anything after dark with that versus the small "tunnel" look of the stock lens. Unless it dramatically affects the throw, that's a homerun in terms of improvement. I would forego a lot of throw for that wide of an angle, simply because I won't be ripping it up too much after dark anyway. (Although I know guys who swear they don't slow down a single mph when they night ride).
    I can't even begin to touch any of my night strava times when riding during the day unless the trail is very smooth. With I good wide and powerful handlebar light it throws so many shadows behind the rocks that the one and only smooth line you can't seem to locate during the day become like this bright yellow brick road at night. We do most of our local rides at night because it's the only safe time to poach since literally the rule states "any trail less then 8' wide is off limits to bicycles".

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    So, I did read that right? You go faster at night? That is amazing. I'm actually going on my first night ride tonight with a group of guys. I'm sure my cheapo that I got just to try it out will be laughed at, but I don't care.

    I will admit...after seeing that double wide lens on your Gloworm XS, it's going to make looking at other lights like a downgrade if/when I decide to get something better than my "toy light" from China. I hope they somehow end up being available for purchase...that difference is startling.

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    More comments about the Rojo lens

    I'm glad you included the photo with you standing in the background because that helps give the scale of the photos ( which was missing when looking at the stock photos ) When put into proper perspective the stock beam pattern is actually quite wide once you consider the width of most single track. ( Not to mention being bright as all get-out )

    I agree that the double wide set-up looks very nice. The thing is; this is a wall shot. As such this isn't necessarily what you are going to see when on a trail. My gut feeling is that on a trail you are really going to notice ( and feel ) the loss of throw. Sure, nice to have more spread but when traveling at speed there are going to be moments when you will miss the throw. My bet is that once you start trail testing these that you will gravitate more toward the single flood. In the photos the extended spread of the single flood is about the same as the double only the double uses up a bit more of the center throw.

    Once again if it were me I would lay my money down on the single flood but then again I don't own the XS and likely if I did I would be happy using one or two of the stock flood optics anyway. I say that only because I'm already happy with the X2 ( one flood-one spot ) on the bars. Still I really do like the option to run a wider beam. The XS has the power to extend the beam pattern and ( as it has already been said ), "It is one bad-ass light". I hope it lives up to your ( and everyone else's ) expectations.

    Thanks again for providing those beam shots. The stock center area of the XS looks extremely bright using those stock spot optics. No doubt in my mind it could make an awesome helmet lamp.

    It would be nice if the GW people could come up with something for extending the beam pattern. Maybe offer the users a choice of an optional drop-in elliptical optic. I've seen some of the DIY'ers use elliptical optics on some of their builds with interesting results. Regardless, the Rojo lens' Rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I'm glad you included the photo with you standing in the background because that helps give the scale of the photos ( which was missing when looking at the stock photos ) When put into proper perspective the stock beam pattern is actually quite wide once you consider the width of most single track. ( Not to mention being bright as all get-out )

    I agree that the double wide set-up looks very nice. The thing is; this is a wall shot. As such this isn't necessarily what you are going to see when on a trail. My gut feeling is that on a trail you are really going to notice ( and feel ) the loss of throw. Sure, nice to have more spread but when traveling at speed there are going to be moments when you will miss the throw. My bet is that once you start trail testing these that you will gravitate more toward the single flood. In the photos the extended spread of the single flood is about the same as the double only the double uses up a bit more of the center throw.

    Once again if it were me I would lay my money down on the single flood but then again I don't own the XS and likely if I did I would be happy using one or two of the stock flood optics anyway. I say that only because I'm already happy with the X2 ( one flood-one spot ) on the bars. Still I really do like the option to run a wider beam. The XS has the power to extend the beam pattern and ( as it has already been said ), "It is one bad-ass light". I hope it lives up to your ( and everyone else's ) expectations.

    Thanks again for providing those beam shots. The stock center area of the XS looks extremely bright using those stock spot optics. No doubt in my mind it could make an awesome helmet lamp.

    It would be nice if the GW people could come up with something for extending the beam pattern. Maybe offer the users a choice of an optional drop-in elliptical optic. I've seen some of the DIY'ers use elliptical optics on some of their builds with interesting results. Regardless, the Rojo lens' Rock.
    Hey Cat,
    I wanted to add my voice to your request to "GW" for a drop in elliptical optic. Didn't they offer this option on the first version of X2? Does the flood optic actually widen the beam in your X2V3? I ask because the flood optic (shared with XS) in my X2V3.1 seems totally in-effective to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Hey Cat,
    I wanted to add my voice to your request to "GW" for a drop in elliptical optic. Didn't they offer this option on the first version of X2? Does the flood optic actually widen the beam in your X2V3? I ask because the flood optic (shared with XS) in my X2V3.1 seems totally in-effective to me.
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    I think the current version of GW flood optic is only designed to create a minute amount of additional spill. Depending on your point of view this is either a good or a bad thing. I think a lot of people who want additional flood are looking for a more dramatic change in the beam pattern. There are optics that will do this but you have to remember that if you add light somewhere else that light has to be taken from another part of the beam pattern. With proper ( wider ) flood optics a large portion of the throw is going to be missing from the beam pattern which is going to be quite noticeable especially on the lower light levels. Once again this is either going to be acceptable or not acceptable depending on your POV.

    Personally I'm satisfied with the beam pattern of the GW lamps using just the standard optics ( on the X2 ). The additional output of the XS has the potential to provide more of a flood pattern to those who might want that ( and still maintain decent useable throw ). Like I said before though, spread the beam out too much and you lose some of the useability of the lower mode levels. Finding the right mix is the nut that you need to crack.

    Another factor to consider in deciding what bar beam pattern is wanted is , "What kind of beam pattern is your helmet lamp providing"? If you are using a helmet lamp with a wider beam pattern than the bar flood issue is ( or might not ) be as important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I'm glad you included the photo with you standing in the background because that helps give the scale of the photos ( which was missing when looking at the stock photos ) When put into proper perspective the stock beam pattern is actually quite wide once you consider the width of most single track. ( Not to mention being bright as all get-out )

    I agree that the double wide set-up looks very nice. The thing is; this is a wall shot. As such this isn't necessarily what you are going to see when on a trail. My gut feeling is that on a trail you are really going to notice ( and feel ) the loss of throw. Sure, nice to have more spread but when traveling at speed there are going to be moments when you will miss the throw. My bet is that once you start trail testing these that you will gravitate more toward the single flood. In the photos the extended spread of the single flood is about the same as the double only the double uses up a bit more of the center throw.

    Once again if it were me I would lay my money down on the single flood but then again I don't own the XS and likely if I did I would be happy using one or two of the stock flood optics anyway. I say that only because I'm already happy with the X2 ( one flood-one spot ) on the bars. Still I really do like the option to run a wider beam. The XS has the power to extend the beam pattern and ( as it has already been said ), "It is one bad-ass light". I hope it lives up to your ( and everyone else's ) expectations.

    Thanks again for providing those beam shots. The stock center area of the XS looks extremely bright using those stock spot optics. No doubt in my mind it could make an awesome helmet lamp.

    It would be nice if the GW people could come up with something for extending the beam pattern. Maybe offer the users a choice of an optional drop-in elliptical optic. I've seen some of the DIY'ers use elliptical optics on some of their builds with interesting results. Regardless, the Rojo lens' Rock.
    I agree that the wall shots are useless to judge how much loss of throw there will be. I just wanted to get an idea of the overall beam shape change with each lens. I'm they ing to think of a trail I can get my truck close enough to to lug in a tripod to get some actual trail shots. Go figure now that its time to trail test these things we've gotten the most rain in like 2 years this week so all my trails are un-rideable(sticky clay).

    Today I made the triple flood lenses so basically grooves all the way across. As soon as the trails dry up enough to ride I'll be giving several of these a run. I may send out the lenses to Jim for testing as soon as today.

    As for the large size of the spot with just the stock lens. Yes its large and for a wide fire road its perfect. These wider lenses are meant to push the light through the corners more so we don't have to rely on the helmet light as much. A lot of the trails I find fun have enough rocks and roots through the corners that if I can get the bar light to through the corner another 3-4' then I can go faster because I have more time to pick a good line.

    I really like my preferred setup would be an XS in the center then two more lights mounted so they shine a little up and to the left and up and to the right. That way when your cornering you'll have a light aimed through the corner and have all the shadows and depth perception you could want. I money wasn't an issue I'd have three Betty R's on my bars and I look like a Baja truck coming down the Mt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I think the current version of GW flood optic is only designed to create a minute amount of additional spill. Depending on your point of view this is either a good or a bad thing. I think a lot of people who want additional flood are looking for a more dramatic change in the beam pattern. There are optics that will do this but you have to remember that if you add light somewhere else that light has to be taken from another part of the beam pattern. With proper ( wider ) flood optics a large portion of the throw is going to be missing from the beam pattern which is going to be quite noticeable especially on the lower light levels. Once again this is either going to be acceptable or not acceptable depending on your POV.

    Personally I'm satisfied with the beam pattern of the GW lamps using just the standard optics ( on the X2 ). The additional output of the XS has the potential to provide more of a flood pattern to those who might want that ( and still maintain decent useable throw ). Like I said before though, spread the beam out too much and you lose some of the useability of the lower mode levels. Finding the right mix is the nut that you need to crack.

    Another factor to consider in deciding what bar beam pattern is wanted is , "What kind of beam pattern is your helmet lamp providing"? If you are using a helmet lamp with a wider beam pattern than the bar flood issue is ( or might not ) be as important.
    Hey Cat - Thanks for the response. I understand that you are happy with the stock s/f optic set-up on your V3 version light but was looking for a little more descriptive opinion of how well your flood optic worked. Slight/noticeable/large difference in beam width over the spot optic or even "I was satisfied with the stock set-up and haven't switched optics" was more what I was looking for. I also understand the connection between widening beam width and dimming light intensity which is why I'm critical of the XS style flood optics. With no detectable increase in flood (IMO) and a approx. 16% (single optic) drop in lux readings on my meter I don't understand how anybody can justify running the stock flood optic on the X2V3.1/XS lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Hey Cat - Thanks for the response. I understand that you are happy with the stock s/f optic set-up on your V3 version light but was looking for a little more descriptive opinion of how well your flood optic worked. Slight/noticeable/large difference in beam width over the spot optic or even "I was satisfied with the stock set-up and haven't switched optics" was more what I was looking for...
    I could be more descriptive but to do that I'd have to be in the field taking notes. Being more general from just memory I would say that the spot/flood optic used by gloworm creates an almost ( how should I describe this ? ), "straight even pattern corridor of light" . When you view a Gloworm beam pattern a couple ft. from a wall you see almost what looks like a "square box of light with a bright center spot". If you view this on an open field it translates over to the corridor of light I mentioned before. I do get light very close to the bike. Just from memory I know that I have no problem seeing anything 15 ft ahead of me as the ( useable ) spread is ( at least ) about 15ft wide at that distance as well. Of course the beam pattern fans out a bit but as I recall there is a point where there is almost a complete cut-off (off to the sides ). Still there is a very nice wide area that is well illuminated and and as anyone who owns one knows, the beam pattern carries for quite a distance, even when on the lower levels. I figure that since the XS is brighter and using an additional emitter the beam pattern is likely offering the same beam pattern only wider and brighter.

    Since I'm using a brighter helmet lamp now I could probably accept a little less throw off the bars without any problems. That is why I like the idea of having an option for more flood coming off the bars. I wish I had Rojo's skill and expertise in making DIY flood lenses so I could test out different degrees of flood.

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    After driving all over the east Bay Area and visiting half a dozen stores I now have a method to polish the lens to nearly clear. After some time on YouTube I'm starting to think the extra hardness of acrylic vs lexan would make it easier to get the finish I want so I may give that a shot next time. Anyways here's what the new polishing method has produced.

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    Here's a quick Iphone video(forgive the quality) of the new triple wide lens vs the stock triple spot. You can see a substantial loss right in the center but the overall spread is amazing. I can think of a few very technical and twisty area of riding that don't have much high speed wide open stuff that this lens would be great for. At the same time there probably more riding area where the loss of throw would be felt. Like some stated earlier I think the single wide and triple center wide are going to be the do all lenses. I can't wait till my trail dry up to start giving these a honest test.

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    I noticed that Crgmoto has written in this thread. I have to try contacting them this way because email communication seems not working with them. I'm a paying customer and I'd like to have even some service for the 500€ I paid.

    I ordered my Xs+x2 combo from Crgmoto 2nd of nov. Got the automatic reply that said they will handle the order asap. That's the service so far.

    I have now sent 4 enquiries to Crgmoto. Only answer I got after third email: I already replied you. I'll get back to you tomorrow. I replied that could he send it again, I haven't received any emails from them. That was three days ago.

    Total radio silence again.

    I have no clue has Crgmoto sent the package, is the company bankrupt or are they going to send the lamps in future.

    This is the worst service I have ever gotten anywhere. If I could I would buy my Gloworm lamp somewhere else.

    Normally I'm really patient fellow because I work in customer service business too. This pisses me off!!!!

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    Hi pta

    Very sorry for your issues. We are waiting on a supply of 2015 lights to arrive. You should have received an email apologising for the delay.

    Personal message and I can deal with your enquiry.

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    Has anyone tried the Beacon blinking mode??

    I did and its awesome for commuting! I ran the xs on beacon and the olympia on medium steady.

    Cars crossing my path stop where I can easily pass them, as opposed to how they usually behave.
    Cars coming towards me before tunnels only one car wide stops and lets me through first!
    People walking in the street in packs coming towards me while looking at their phones just disperse long before I get there.
    People walking away from me, walk to the side and give me room so I don't have to pass them on the grass/snow next to the lane.
    Cars coming towards me on the road (while I'm in the bike path) drive suspiciously slow, I think they slow down because they first think its a speed camera soon to make them poorer, but when they have already slowed down and see thats its actually a bike I'm long gone. I make traffic safer for the cars!
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    Started my Mtb ride at 4am this morning so it was the first time I've gotten a chance to use any of the new lenses. I chose the double wide today since I really think it's going to be the one I like the most. I didn't get much tight rocky single track in the first part of the ride for sunrise so I didn't get to see how well it worked through the corners. What I did get in the first part of my ride was a lot of fast fire road which was good because the loss of throw should be felt the most on these types of open roads. Well I didn't ever feel like I couldn't see far enough up the trail on med and high was still like always overkill so I think people will be pleased with this double wide lens. I still plan to give a few more promising lenses a go before settling on a favorite.

    I mailed out all 7 variations to Jim @ Action Leds on monday via snail mail so he should have them mid next week hopefully.

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and get out there and burn off some of that turkey and pie

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    Has anyone tried the Beacon blinking mode??

    I did and its awesome for commuting! I ran the xs on beacon and the olympia on medium steady.

    Cars crossing my path stop where I can easily pass them, as opposed to how they usually behave.
    Cars coming towards me before tunnels only one car wide stops and lets me through first!
    People walking in the street in packs coming towards me while looking at their phones just disperse long before I get there.
    People walking away from me, walk to the side and give me room so I don't have to pass them on the grass/snow next to the lane.
    Cars coming towards me on the road (while I'm in the bike path) drive suspiciously slow, I think they slow down because they first think its a speed camera soon to make them poorer, but when they have already slowed down and see thats its actually a bike I'm long gone. I make traffic safer for the cars!
    Don't have the XS but I use the beacon mode on the X2 for special Daytime use in situations where I want to make sure I'm seen. Other wise I don't think I would ever use it at night because it's way too freakingly bright! For night use I use just a typical 5-led mini usb front ( white ) blinkie ( 80 lumen ) mounted on my fork with the X2 on my bars. If I have a special situation at night where I might need more "Attention getting power", I'll switch the helmet torch I use onto flash mode.

    On a side note I've noticed lately ( while driving and working at night ) that I see more people using dual lights ( bars/helmet ) and brighter lights at that. Not to mention better/brighter rear lights. Always makes me smile when I see a cyclist riding at night with a good light set-up. Just the other night I passed a girl riding at night while on the job. She had a very good 2-lamp set-up and good rear light. When I came up to a traffic light she came beside my car and waved to ask me something. Turned out just she just wanted directions to the nearest Metro station. I was going to tell her that she had a nice set of headlights but thought if I did that it might be taken the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pta View Post

    I have now sent 4 enquiries to Crgmoto. Only answer I got after third email: I already replied you. I'll get back to you tomorrow. I replied that could he send it again, I haven't received any emails from them. That was three days ago.

    Total radio silence again.

    I have no clue has Crgmoto sent the package, is the company bankrupt or are they going to send the lamps in future.

    This is the worst service I have ever gotten anywhere. If I could I would buy my Gloworm lamp somewhere else.

    Normally I'm really patient fellow because I work in customer service business too. This pisses me off!!!!
    I also getting the silence treatment, place an order in October for bar mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pta View Post
    I noticed that Crgmoto has written in this thread.
    This is the worst service I have ever gotten anywhere. If I could I would buy my Gloworm lamp somewhere else.
    Sorry that i recommended you to buy GW despite of delivery problems that has been well known issue this season.
    There is another dealer in Europe that carries GW lights,however i do not know if this is any better:Gloworm lights ? Fooh

    GW Great product?Yes but i wont tell anymore to get one if they are not ready to wait from 1 month to up to whatever delivery date.
    If anyone want their lights on short notice,i would go for Lupine.

    BTW,Danny did send me my latest order using different courier so i got mine in 3 days after all hassles were sorted out.

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    Same day shipping on all our GW orders worldwide.
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    Re: Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    My frist light got lost in post after sending email to CRGMoto did send another light out next day delivery.

    Just to add X2 Gloworm a great light did take me a bit of time to work out settings.

    Different to printed manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    PeterG,

    Send me your address and I'll drop one in the mail to you.
    The stuff has arrived today, thanks Jim.

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    No reason to go anywhere else. Action will take care of you!!!!
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    No problem Zeb😊

    A week ago I sent Crgmoto- Danny an email once again. Day later he responded that he will delivery my lamps tonight (Friday) and he will send me tracking code on Monday when he receives it from post office. I wasn't surprised that he didn't sent the tracking code he promised!!!
    Maybe the delivery is on its way, maybe not.

    I have bought quite a few things in last ten years via internet. And everything has been fine since this. It has been 1 and half months from my order. I hope Danny has even used my 500euros for something useful.

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    Re: Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    I never purchased from Crgmoto but I sent them an email asking how soon they could ship if I ordered that day. I never got a response.

    I contacted Jim at Action and my lights were delivered 2 days later.

    Some decisions in life are hard. Where to purchase Gloworm products isn't one of them.

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    Oh and I didn't appreciate how small and light these things are into I saw them in person. Wow! Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    I never purchased from Crgmoto but I sent them an email asking how soon they could ship if I ordered that day. I never got a response.

    I contacted Jim at Action and my lights were delivered 2 days later.

    Some decisions in life are hard. Where to purchase Gloworm products isn't one of them.
    Couldn't have said it better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeb View Post
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    There is another dealer in Europe that carries GW lights,however i do not know if this is any better:Gloworm lights ? Fooh
    Jaap at Fooh is OK, always replied to my mails quickly, I purchased my GWs there.

    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    I never purchased from Crgmoto but I sent them an email asking how soon they could ship if I ordered that day. I never got a response.
    I contacted Jim at Action and my lights were delivered 2 days later.
    Jim at Action takes super care about GW customers, although outside the US, but please note, that purchasing more expensive items (above 22 EUR or USD equivalent) from US to EU means 20% VAT over the top of the sum of item price + shipment, plus tax over total depending on the country of origin, so sometimes 30% more expensive in total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    I never purchased from Crgmoto but I sent them an email asking how soon they could ship if I ordered that day. I never got a response.

    I contacted Jim at Action and my lights were delivered 2 days later.

    Some decisions in life are hard. Where to purchase Gloworm products isn't one of them.
    I second that. Jim got me everything I needed. Free shipping 2 days to my door, he even called me on a Sunday to answer my questions. Top notch as far as I'm concerned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pta View Post
    No problem Zeb😊

    A week ago I sent Crgmoto- Danny an email once again. Day later he responded that he will delivery my lamps tonight (Friday) and he will send me tracking code on Monday when he receives it from post office. I wasn't surprised that he didn't sent the tracking code he promised!!!
    Maybe the delivery is on its way, maybe not.

    I have bought quite a few things in last ten years via internet. And everything has been fine since this. It has been 1 and half months from my order. I hope Danny has even used my 500euros for something useful.
    Hello pta,

    I am very sorry for this experience. As far as I know Danny was out of stock. What we can confirm on manufacturing side is that a new batch has been dispatched to him last week and it has been received by Danny on Monday. Your lights should be on their way now. Please send me an e-mail at vaggelis@glowormlites.co.nz in case you don't receive before the weekend and I will try to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello pta,

    I am very sorry for this experience. As far as I know Danny was out of stock. What we can confirm on manufacturing side is that a new batch has been dispatched to him last week and it has been received by Danny on Monday. Your lights should be on their way now. Please send me an e-mail at vaggelis@glowormlites.co.nz in case you don't receive before the weekend and I will try to help.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks!
    I would have been happy if I would get even some info of my order. At this point my hopes are not high. Other shops ask do you want your money back if there is delays on delivery. This guy doesn't even answer emails or doesn't keep his promises.

    I'll contact you if the delivery doesn't come tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    I just wanted to jump in here and clarify the topic at hand regarding the cable length.

    When the cables were initially designed the lengths were chosen to allow use on a 750mm bar (this was a good average between the super wide and more narrow 700 or less bars).

    Bar setups are a personal thing and placement of the switch is going to depend on your setup and preference. For some that run their shifter/brake hard up against the grip and more inboard setup makes sense, however those with room between grip and shifter often use this vacant space for placement.

    After feedback late last year we increased the length of the cable to a point where it can be position just inboard of the grip (130mm grip) on a 780mm bar. I use 800mm bars on my AM bike and although I could place the switch beside the grip it's a wee bit of stretch, so mine sits hard up against the inboard side of my brake lever mount

    We have also received some feedback asking why the cable could not be made and extra 5cm longer to cater for all bars and those with shorter bars can just wind the cable around the bar to suit. This is an option however then we are bound to get feedback saying the cable is too long etc etc.

    So that brings me back to the design process and the fact we cannot make a solution that fits everyone perfectly (we do try!) - just most people. There will always be aspects of a product that someone does not like and these will differ from others' opinions.

    As always we do consider all feedback and most changes we have implemented over the past 3 or so years have been as a direct result of your feedback.

    Cheers

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    New XS mounted underneath with Xeccon battery..Remote cable seems long enough on my bars.
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    I picked up an XS and paired it up with an X1 on the helmet. Both acquired from ActionLED. From reading on other threads, I was afraid the X1 would be washed out by the XS. Nope, that wasn't the case. They paired up quite nicely. I also used safety glasses with yellow lenses. The combination of lights and yellow lenses was unreal!!

    As far as the remote wire, I have the light mounted just like in eggdog's pic above. I have Deity Dirty Thirtys and the wire makes it to just inside the derailleur mount. I have more space outboard in between the brake mount and the grips which it will not make it to. Because of this I have to slide my thumb over a bit more, almost lifting my hand off the bar, to toggle the remote. This makes it awkward to hold the button down to get into the special mode. Other than that, I'm loving these lights.

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    I think both the x1 and xera will be useable in combo with pretty much everything else. Remember these are pretty much superspots so they have very high intensity and not very good spread.
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    I finally got my lamps. It took 51 days from order.

    XS and X2 were really high quality products and I was already forgiving the oooover long delivery time. Then I tested the lamps outside. I went for a walk with my dog and found a good dark place for testing. There were -5 degrees Celsius and I carried the lamps in my jacket pocket. I turned them on and X2 was working fine but XS won't do anything. I changed the batteries, nothing. I went back home and tested inside, working again. I tested it few times. When XS get cold (not switched on) it wont turn on. And when I bring it back to warm place it starts working again.

    Really annoying! After really lousy service of Crgmoto I thought I don't have to do business with them ever again. No I have to handle warranty issue with them.

    Have anyone experienced subzero problems with Gloworm?

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    Not yet, but surelly I will test the lights when it starts to freeze, now we have quite warm winter, more rain and no snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pta View Post
    I finally got my lamps. It took 51 days from order.

    XS and X2 were really high quality products and I was already forgiving the oooover long delivery time. Then I tested the lamps outside. I went for a walk with my dog and found a good dark place for testing. There were -5 degrees Celsius and I carried the lamps in my jacket pocket. I turned them on and X2 was working fine but XS won't do anything. I changed the batteries, nothing. I went back home and tested inside, working again. I tested it few times. When XS get cold (not switched on) it wont turn on. And when I bring it back to warm place it starts working again.

    Really annoying! After really lousy service of Crgmoto I thought I don't have to do business with them ever again. No I have to handle warranty issue with them.

    Have anyone experienced subzero problems with Gloworm?
    Did you charge your batteries before the test? They often arrive with little or no charge. If they were on the borderline being in the cold could drop the voltage below were the light would run.
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    Yes both batteries were fully charged. It must be the lamp head where the problem is.

    I continued testing today and same results. X2 working fine and XS does not.
    If I turn it on at warm garage and then go out it works. If I keep the lamp head outside for a 5 minutes (-5 Celsius) then attach the battery (kept in warm), it doesn't work. Then bring it back inside it starts working after few minutes.

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    Cold solder joint inside? Just thinking as electrical engineer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pta View Post
    I finally got my lamps. It took 51 days from order.

    XS and X2 were really high quality products and I was already forgiving the oooover long delivery time. Then I tested the lamps outside. I went for a walk with my dog and found a good dark place for testing. There were -5 degrees Celsius and I carried the lamps in my jacket pocket. I turned them on and X2 was working fine but XS won't do anything. I changed the batteries, nothing. I went back home and tested inside, working again. I tested it few times. When XS get cold (not switched on) it wont turn on. And when I bring it back to warm place it starts working again.

    Really annoying! After really lousy service of Crgmoto I thought I don't have to do business with them ever again. No I have to handle warranty issue with them.

    Have anyone experienced subzero problems with Gloworm?
    Mine works in -10C.

    I think the problem is your on-off switch somehow. It seems to be the weakest point by far.
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    Any updates on testing of Rojo's lenses by action LED? I would love to have one of the double wide lens setups. What awesome home innovation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pta View Post
    Really annoying! After really lousy service of Crgmoto I thought I don't have to do business with them ever again. No I have to handle warranty issue with them.
    This is my main concern warranty.

    I sent email on 10th Dec about mount got email back from Danny 10th Dec Should have mount in stock 12th Friday Dec.

    I still don't have my mount Ordered 18th Oct
    I don't like the rubber band mount as don't work with my shape of bars, Maybe I should have got new bars then buy the Gloworm QR mount.

    Could ask for refund but how long wound that take!

    Action Led Lights items are more expletive as of the exchange rate to UK.

    Crgmoto seem to read this thread more then their emails, Would like update Please.

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    I've just place order with A.L.L
    Thank you for shopping at Action-LED-Lights.
    Now to get refund, Don't know why Crgmoto don't keep customs informed.

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    Place order 5 Days ago with Action LED Lights and my items are here this morning all the way from US


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    Gloworm XS won't switch on when temperature is under +6 Celsius. When warmed a bit then its ok. I tested it in fridge with warm battery.
    I got the lamp 23rd december and contacted right away Crgmoto and manufacturer. Both answered that it must be battery. I sent a video that shows that the problem must be lamphead or switch.
    Gloworm/Vaggelis sent email to me and Crgmoto and asked can Danny from Crgmoto replace the lamp. It was 2 weeks ago...
    Still no answer from crgmoto. So the same old radio silence continues. Is there a consumer protection authority in Britain that I could contact? This guy should be in some blacklist of web shops.

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    Re: Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    I can't believe Gloworm hasn't dropped him yet.

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    Well I just did a 100 mile Mtb ride up and over and then back over a local mt over newyears. The ride started at 7pm and ended at 10am in temps ranging from 28F to 38F and winds were absolutly howling on the ridge lines. That's quite a bit colder then 6C and both my XS and X2 worked perfectly so at least you know they can. I was worried the cold would shorten my battery life but in the end after 12hrs of darkness I only used up 60% of my 13600mah pack in the XS and about the same on the 6800mah pack on the X2.

    Hope you get some help soon.

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    pta, Gloworm just asked me to step in and help you. PM me with your address (and email) and we'll get things started.
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    There was requests for on trail beam shots earlier in this thread but all I carry is a gopro so all you get are videos. The XS on the bars is running at 60% and the X2 on the helmet starts at 20% then part way you see me take my hand off the right bar and switch it to 60% as well. The XS is running my single wide lens and the X2 is original double spot, Gopro is a hero3 black. Sorry but the trail has a bunch of very steep rooty tech sections and random rock gardens and I'm on a hard tail so things tend to get rough real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pta View Post
    Gloworm XS won't switch on when temperature is under +6 Celsius. When warmed a bit then its ok. I tested it in fridge with warm battery.
    I got the lamp 23rd december and contacted right away Crgmoto and manufacturer. Both answered that it must be battery. I sent a video that shows that the problem must be lamphead or switch.
    Gloworm/Vaggelis sent email to me and Crgmoto and asked can Danny from Crgmoto replace the lamp. It was 2 weeks ago...
    Still no answer from crgmoto. So the same old radio silence continues. Is there a consumer protection authority in Britain that I could contact? This guy should be in some blacklist of web shops.
    Edit: Gloworm manufacturer just sent me an email that they will send a new XS lamphead and new gopro mount for X2. Many thanks!

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    I sent email to Bruce @ Gloworm that way I know I'll get a reply.
    No refund as of yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    There was requests for on trail beam shots earlier in this thread but all I carry is a gopro so all you get are videos. The XS on the bars is running at 60% and the X2 on the helmet starts at 20% then part way you see me take my hand off the right bar and switch it to 60% as well. The XS is running my single wide lens and the X2 is original double spot, Gopro is a hero3 black. Sorry but the trail has a bunch of very steep rooty tech sections and random rock gardens and I'm on a hard tail so things tend to get rough real quick.

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    Just going to chime in here RojoRacing53,,, thanx for posting your video. I must say it reinforces the feedback X-2/XS owners have been talking about all year. THAT,,, was only 60%,,,Wow!! very nice set up and clearly lots of reserve power when needed.

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    I sent email to Bruce @ Gloworm that way I know I'll get a reply.
    No refund as of yet.
    Talking to myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    Talking to myself
    I gotta say man, this thread and your ordeal has me far from convinced that Gloworm is the way to go. I had all but convinced myself that I was going to go ahead and upgrade to a "name brand" product, but after seeing this, I'm seriously questioning the need for anything more than a good "knockoff" with a solid lightweight battery powered LED flashlight as a back up should something go wrong.

    Apparently, the customer service is about the same. I'd much rather spend $25 and have to junk a light, versus spending $225.00 with the same fate.

    I truly feel sorry for you man. I hope you get it resolved at some point.

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    Sounds like your going to buy a knokoff in the first place!! Jim at ActionLed has always been great with any problems that come up with all the products he sells. Gloworm makes a great light.
    Really no comparison between junk Chinese lights and Service from Jim and Gloworm!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Sounds like your going to buy a knokoff in the first place!! Jim at ActionLed has always been great with any problems that come up with all the products he sells. Gloworm makes a great light.
    Really no comparison between junk Chinese lights and Service from Jim and Gloworm!!
    I'm glad to hear that. Apparently, it matters where you buy it or who you buy it from. I know there will always be some bad experiences and there's usually two sides to the story. I'm open minded...and if I get more into night riding and longer rides, I definitely don't want to have failure trip me up. Thanks for the comment!

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    New UK Distributor

    Hi Everyone, we have been away on business in NZ and we have yet to get around to all the emails. However I will make sure they are all answered in the next 24hrs.

    On another note, CRG Moto is no longer the authorised distributor of Gloworm Products in the UK. They do have some stock however they are now only an online retailer.

    The new UK Distributor, ISON Distribution, is a large, well established company with the setup to provide very good support and after sales service. They are currently waiting on a shipment of lights and warranty spares.

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    Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    Good thanks for update.
    what about warranty should my gloworm go wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWAtrailyguy View Post
    I gotta say man, this thread and your ordeal has me far from convinced that Gloworm is the way to go. I had all but convinced myself that I was going to go ahead and upgrade to a "name brand" product, but after seeing this, I'm seriously questioning the need for anything more than a good "knockoff" with a solid lightweight battery powered LED flashlight as a back up should something go wrong.

    Apparently, the customer service is about the same. I'd much rather spend $25 and have to junk a light, versus spending $225.00 with the same fate.

    I truly feel sorry for you man. I hope you get it resolved at some point.
    Never assume that someone else's problem is going to be yours. This is not to say that GW never has ( or never had ) any failure problems. Just like any other manufacturer there are going to be failures that crop up with a bad lamp or bad battery somehow getting through the quality control process. Gloworm has always been a reliable manufacturer and most of the vendors associated with Gloworm are pretty quick to service the product. Sad that in this particular case the vendor didn't come through with the goods. Glad to see though that GW was quick to respond here on forum in an effort to make good on the product.

    This particular thread was started over a year ago. It has over 35 thousand views and more than 370 replies. Some of the other GW threads are even older and if you read through all of those hundreds of posts you will find very few failures with the products being sold. Any one who had a failure ( and this includes me ) were quick to have the problem resolved by the excellent customer service.

    If you want to roll the dice on a cheap Chinese lamp you won't hear me tell you not to do that. Matter of fact, your idea of buying a cheap lamp and running a torch as back-up is exactly what I do. On the other hand if you are planning on buying both a bar and helmet lamp I'll always be quick to recommend running at least one brand name lamp. I say that because while I like to fiddle around with the Chinese stuff I don't exactly trust them all the time. Given a good rain while on a ride, no telling what is going to happen to the clone lamps. The name brand stuff on the other hand is designed to better handle the elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Never assume that someone else's problem is going to be yours. This is not to say that GW never has ( or never had ) any failure problems. Just like any other manufacturer there are going to be failures that crop up with a bad lamp or bad battery somehow getting through the quality control process. Gloworm has always been a reliable manufacturer and most of the vendors associated with Gloworm are pretty quick to service the product. Sad that in this particular case the vendor didn't come through with the goods. Glad to see though that GW was quick to respond here on forum in an effort to make good on the product.

    This particular thread was started over a year ago. It has over 35 thousand views and more than 370 replies. Some of the other GW threads are even older and if you read through all of those hundreds of posts you will find very few failures with the products being sold. Any one who had a failure ( and this includes me ) were quick to have the problem resolved by the excellent customer service.

    If you want to roll the dice on a cheap Chinese lamp you won't hear me tell you not to do that. Matter of fact, your idea of buying a cheap lamp and running a torch as back-up is exactly what I do. On the other hand if you are planning on buying both a bar and helmet lamp I'll always be quick to recommend running at least one brand name lamp. I say that because while I like to fiddle around with the Chinese stuff I don't exactly trust them all the time. Given a good rain while on a ride, no telling what is going to happen to the clone lamps. The name brand stuff on the other hand is designed to better handle the elements.
    That's a very fair assessment, and pretty well echoed what I said. The unhappy people always tend to make the most noise, which is why reading reviews or message boards is sometimes helpful, and other times it can be very misleading.

    A big part of it is who is selling the product, which it looks like has been addressed. I appreciate the response, and as spring nears and it's not so cold at night, I will likely night ride almost exclusively during the week. At that point, I'll definitely want a reliable light, and I don't trust the knock-off stuff as far as I can throw it.

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    Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    I haven't knocked Gloworm or the X2 but there only SO many emails I can sent and get no reply!

    And as CRGMOTO was reply here on this thred more then their email I had not option.

    Chinese lights and nice and cheap but you will play russian roulette be in woods or on road no warning battery just die on you.

    I have had Chinese light and been happy till seen real xxx lumens.

    That's why I saved took time, now I have peace of mind I have light in woods & all way home on eight miles road ride back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    It would be nice if the GW people could come up with something for extending the beam pattern. Maybe offer the users a choice of an optional drop-in elliptical optic. I've seen some of the DIY'ers use elliptical optics on some of their builds with interesting results. Regardless, the Rojo lens' Rock.
    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Hey Cat,
    I wanted to add my voice to your request to "GW" for a drop in elliptical optic. Didn't they offer this option on the first version of X2? Does the flood optic actually widen the beam in your X2V3? I ask because the flood optic (shared with XS) in my X2V3.1 seems totally in-effective to me.
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    You asked and Gloworm listened.
    Just arrived, the new X2/XS wide angle optic.
    Works for the X2 v3 and above and all XS. We will included one with all sets from today on and they will be available on the site by tomorrow.
    I will try and get some beam shots and also run it through my beam test in the near future. I tossed 2 in an X2 and they seem to roughly double the beam width.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Attachment 965887

    You asked and Gloworm listened.
    Just arrived, the new X2/XS wide angle optic.
    Works for the X2 v3 and above and all XS. We will included one with all sets from today on and they will be available on the site by tomorrow.
    I will try and get some beam shots and also run it through my beam test in the near future. I tossed 2 in an X2 and they seem to roughly double the beam width.
    Thanks Jim/Gloworm! As soon as I see these available on your site I'll order them. Twice as wide sounds good to me.
    The dimpled flood optic for the Gemini Duo that you sell also works for the XS. I tried a couple of different combinations with this optic (FSF, SFS) but was never totally happy with the overall increased flood to decreased beam intensity results I got. I was far happier using the XS spot optic in my Gemini Duo (10%+ increase on my lux meter on a bounce test/better throw). Jim, you might want to run a beam test on this set-up since I know of no spot optic option for Duo users. Sorry, getting off track. Excited to try the "New" Gloworm XS flood optic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Thanks Jim/Gloworm! As soon as I see these available on your site I'll order them. Twice as wide sounds good to me.
    The dimpled flood optic for the Gemini Duo that you sell also works for the XS. I tried a couple of different combinations with this optic (FSF, SFS) but was never totally happy with the overall increased flood to decreased beam intensity results I got. I was far happier using the XS spot optic in my Gemini Duo (10%+ increase on my lux meter on a bounce test/better throw). Jim, you might want to run a beam test on this set-up since I know of no spot optic option for Duo users. Sorry, getting off track. Excited to try the "New" Gloworm XS flood optic.
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    Will there be some graphs to compare it to the standard wide and standard spot lenses??
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    Will there be some graphs to compare it to the standard wide and standard spot lenses??
    I hope to get that done next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I hope to get that done next week.
    Does this diminish the distance of the beam, or does it just make it wider? I am curious what I might give up in terms of how far the beam shoots out in front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Does this diminish the distance of the beam, or does it just make it wider? I am curious what I might give up in terms of how far the beam shoots out in front.
    If you take a given amount of light and spread it over twice the area(width) the intensity will be half. If you change the beam from a 10˚ circle to a 20˚ circle you are lighting 4 times the area so the intensity will be 1/4th. Such is why you may only want to change one for the X2, or 1 or 2 for the XS depending on what suits your needs. If you have an X2 helmet light with the XS on the bar you probably want spot-spot up top and maybe W-S-W on the bar.
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    Optic options

    Gloworm XS are you getting one?-dsc00001.jpg
    Disappointing results, I've done this (elliptical lens mounted in front of bezel over optic) with several other lights with good results but not with the XS.

    Gloworm XS are you getting one?-dsc00014.jpg
    This is a wide-angle lens that Action-Led-Lights sells for the Gemini Duo (optics interchange with XS/X2 V3.1). This worked OK in widening the beam but at a considerable cost in wasted light (top spill). I didn't consider it a worth while trade-off for the areas I ride in.

    Gloworm XS are you getting one?-dsc00016.jpg
    Gloworms "NEW" wide-angle/elliptical optic works great! In fact in this configuration it my be more flood than I need. Next time out I'm going to run it with a flood in the center only and take one of my Olympias and my Taz 1500 for comparison purposes.

    THANKS Gloworm/Jim (Action-Led-Lights) for this upgrade, it adds a lot to the flexibility of these lights.

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    Great to hear you like the new optic.

    We think its a great balance between elliptic and flood.

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    Disappointing results, I've done this (elliptical lens mounted in front of bezel over optic) with several other lights with good results but not with the XS.

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    This is a wide-angle lens that Action-Led-Lights sells for the Gemini Duo (optics interchange with XS/X2 V3.1). This worked OK in widening the beam but at a considerable cost in wasted light (top spill). I didn't consider it a worth while trade-off for the areas I ride in.

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    Gloworms "NEW" wide-angle/elliptical optic works great! In fact in this configuration it my be more flood than I need. Next time out I'm going to run it with a flood in the center only and take one of my Olympias and my Taz 1500 for comparison purposes.

    THANKS Gloworm/Jim (Action-Led-Lights) for this upgrade, it adds a lot to the flexibility of these lights.

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    Beam pattern with new wide angle optic

    I got the first of the beam pattern test done with the X2 and the new wide angle optics. Shown below is the X2 with 2 spot optics and 2 wide optics.
    (1 and 1 would be half way between) This is a horizontal slice through the middle of the beam. The spread is mainly along this horizontal axis.
    Peak intensity drops from 1282 to 669 but at 15˚ it's up from 102 to 316 and at 20˚ from 37 to 170.
    I hope to get the XS done tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

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    Gloworms "NEW" wide-angle/elliptical optic works great! In fact in this configuration it my be more flood than I need. Next time out I'm going to run it with a flood in the center only and take one of my Olympias and my Taz 1500 for comparison purposes.

    THANKS Gloworm/Jim (Action-Led-Lights) for this upgrade, it adds a lot to the flexibility of these lights.

    Mole
    These new flood lenses look great! I didn't know Gloworm was offering these new lenses for up-grades. Personally I don't know if I'd need the extra flood but it's nice to know that they have them if needed. I'm happy with the standard ( flood/spot ) set-up. I don't own an XS though. If I did I'd probably use one of those flood lenses for the center only.

    @Jim from Action LED; Jim, are there any plans from Gloworm to offer a "Neutral LED" version of any of the GW lamps? The only reason I ask is because there seems to be a real following for neutral LED's at the moment. My guess is that many of the current Gloworm owners ( like me ) would be interested enough to buy another GW lamp if a neutral version was offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    These new flood lenses look great! I didn't know Gloworm was offering these new lenses for up-grades. Personally I don't know if I'd need the extra flood but it's nice to know that they have them if needed. I'm happy with the standard ( flood/spot ) set-up. I don't own an XS though. If I did I'd probably use one of those flood lenses for the center only.

    @Jim from Action LED; Jim, are there any plans from Gloworm to offer a "Neutral LED" version of any of the GW lamps? The only reason I ask is because there seems to be a real following for neutral LED's at the moment. My guess is that many of the current Gloworm owners ( like me ) would be interested enough to buy another GW lamp if a neutral version was offered.
    Cat, These lenses just came out a week ago and we got the first shipment. We are including one with every set sold from here on and also have them offered as an upgrade for existing lights. According to our testing the previous "flood" was totally ineffective, only wasting part of the light. (see BEAM TEST) Your better off with 2 spots. The new flood is a great improvement.
    No plans that I have heard of to offer a light with a lower color temperature. I wasn't aware of that much demand for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    No plans that I have heard of to offer a light with a lower color temperature. I wasn't aware of that much demand for it.


    Jim, maybe you should start a poll.

    Very few who have had the chance to compare Neutral White with Cool White Crees choose the latter.

    At this point, I am so happy with all my NW XM-L2/XP-G2 light heads, you couldn't PAY me to go back to Cool Whites.

    Agree, elliptical diffusing lenses rule! Well, at least for illuminating the foreground.

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    Neutral white LED's and Gloworm

    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    ...No plans that I have heard of to offer a light with a lower color temperature. I wasn't aware of that much demand for it.
    The demand was always there and there has been discussion on the subject for years. Problem was there weren't any bike lamp manufacturers until recently that even offered the choice.

    My first experience with neutral LED's came with torch use. That was about two or three years ago. I was very impressed with how well the neutral LED's illuminated without the typical reflective (glare ) that so often accompanies the brighter bins. I'm of the opinion that the neutrals provide not only less glare but bring out the natural color of the terrain better vs. standard cool white LED's. The over-all effect is a more pleasant / eye friendly riding experience. It seems there are now a lot of people that are agreeing with me.

    FWIW, there are now a handful of lamps ( mostly Chinese clones ) that are offering the option for Neutral white LED's. Personally I've been asked to review a lamp from the makers of Nitefighter that use NW LED's almost exclusively. I figure it's just a matter of time before the major brands begin to jump on the band wagon. Don't get me wrong, cool white LED's are still preferred by many but the NW's are gaining in popularity and the people looking to use them are wanting more options with NW emitters.

    Personally I own two new Chinese NW lamps that I have yet to test ( due to the seasonal weather ). When the spring breaks, a lot of people are going to be talking about the NW lamps they bought during the winter and how well they are working. Now if Gloworm offered a NW choice I'd probably be one of the first ones to buy one ( presuming of course that I like the NW's that I'll be testing in the spring ).

    Likely the NW's will work best during the months when trails are dry and the trail side foliage is at it height. Cool white will likely work best on trails with less trail side foliage or in the winter when trails are more wet. This means that if someone rides year round they will likely decide to buy both types just to cover all the bases ( so to speak ). Anyway, that's my take on the subject ( but WTH do I know... )

    By all means, do a poll. You might be surprised at the result.

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    I replaced my cool white Zebralights by neutral white (headlamp and flashlamp) and love the feel of the light and colour details much more. I would never go back to cool white.

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    I've been talking over the neutral white idea with GW and it looks light I can get some led boards made up with neutral led's (5000K) and swap them out as an upgrade to new lights or your existing one. I'm waiting on a price but maybe somewhere in the ballpark of $25 (parts and labor). Is that something any of you would go for? If the demand is high enough I could order stock made up that way and there would be little or no extra charge.
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    I would like to try. Is it hard to swap them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    I would like to try. Is it hard to swap them?
    We'll have to think about that. The price I was thinking would include us swapping the LED's. It's not to hard if you have a good quality soldering station. I wouldn't try it with a soldering gun. Doing it your self would void your warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    We'll have to think about that. The price I was thinking would include us swapping the LED's. It's not to hard if you have a good quality soldering station. I wouldn't try it with a soldering gun. Doing it your self would void your warranty.
    I have a high end weller with about 20 different tips.

    How much would it cost to make complete drop in boards? I believe Lupine has something similar where you can get newer complete boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    I have a high end weller with about 20 different tips.

    How much would it cost to make complete drop in boards? I believe Lupine has something similar where you can get newer complete boards.
    That should do. Your soldering to an aluminum core board so you need a lot of heat, i.e. large tip.
    I'm talking a complete board with led's mounted. The task would involve unsoldering 2 wires, removing a couple of screws holding the board down, adding some thermal paste to the new board, screwing it back down and reattaching the wires.
    Having a plugin board would make the task easy but add cost for everyone. Probably worth looking into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I've been talking over the neutral white idea with GW and it looks light I can get some led boards made up with neutral led's (5000K) and swap them out as an upgrade to new lights or your existing one. I'm waiting on a price but maybe somewhere in the ballpark of $25 (parts and labor). Is that something any of you would go for? If the demand is high enough I could order stock made up that way and there would be little or no extra charge.
    Hi Jim,
    Fantastic that you would do this! NW doesn't work for me, but if is did I'd be first in line to take you up on your offer. I'm sure you'll make the NW fans happy with this option.

    I do have a question. Do you have the specs. on the XS elliptical flood optic. I didn't find it anywhere on Gloworms site or yours. Is it 10/30 like your MS style wide angle lens?
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    Which leds would be the best ones in neutral white?? They have like 200000 different ones on cree's site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Hi Jim,
    Fantastic that you would do this! NW doesn't work for me, but if is did I'd be first in line to take you up on your offer. I'm sure you'll make the NW fans happy with this option.

    I do have a question. Do you have the specs. on the XS elliptical flood optic. I didn't find it anywhere on Gloworms site or yours. Is it 10/30 like your MS style wide angle lens?
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    Mole, The beam pattern test results are above. It's more like 10˚to 20˚. It seems very efficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    Which leds would be the best ones in neutral white?? They have like 200000 different ones on cree's site.
    The ones we can easily get are in the 5000K range. That's at the high end of what they call neutral white. I would have to check but I assume the current ones are closer to 8000K. If you want to try and make sense out of it the binning sheet outlines performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Mole, The beam pattern test results are above. It's more like 10˚to 20˚. It seems very efficient.
    Thanks!

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