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    Any night shots???

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    I just finished a 40 mile night trail ride using the Gloworm XS on the bars of my cyclocross bike and the newest Gloworm X1 on my helmet. What a dynamic duo! I love my lights! Thanks again Jim at action-led-lights.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by rescay View Post
    I just finished a 40 mile night trail ride using the Gloworm XS on the bars of my cyclocross bike and the newest Gloworm X1 on my helmet. What a dynamic duo! I love my lights! Thanks again Jim at action-led-lights.com

    Excellent to hear the X1 works with the XS.

    What power were you running the XS, and type of terrain? Open, closed vegetation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    It does sound as though you have a faulty charger. Action will replace this without question.

    Regarding the remote length, there will be no retrofit option unfortunately.

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    Well, you should consider it! I would be pissed as hell if I spent this much money on a light and the remote doesn't reach far enough. Total BS. You should be happy that you have early adapters who are spending big money without seeing one review. Don't screw them over.

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    Hey varider

    I love your passion and understand exactly where you are coming from.

    To provide a bit of background, the cable length was specified for a 720mm bar (considered the average size at the time - about 18 months ago). It was designed to sit just inside the shifter mount so a little bit of movement was required to press the button.

    Over the past 18 months average bar size has most likely increased in addition to the fact every rider will want to place the switch somewhere different.

    We have just specified a new length for the switch that will have it 6cm (over 2 inches) longer than the current version. This means the total length from light to switch will be in excess of 25cm.

    To retrofit a new cable to a light not as easy as plug and go, however we are looking at ways all the time of how to increase the versatility of the product which may include an optional remote or even wireless.

    Thanks for your concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey varider

    I love your passion and understand exactly where you are coming from.

    To provide a bit of background, the cable length was specified for a 720mm bar (considered the average size at the time - about 18 months ago). It was designed to sit just inside the shifter mount so a little bit of movement was required to press the button.

    Over the past 18 months average bar size has most likely increased in addition to the fact every rider will want to place the switch somewhere different.

    We have just specified a new length for the switch that will have it 6cm (over 2 inches) longer than the current version. This means the total length from light to switch will be in excess of 25cm.

    To retrofit a new cable to a light not as easy as plug and go, however we are looking at ways all the time of how to increase the versatility of the product which may include an optional remote or even wireless.

    Thanks for your concern.

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    Wow. You guys take a lot of abuse over something that's impossible to please everyone. Ask 50 people how long they want the remote wire and you'd get 50 different answers. People get their panties in a bunch over this? No wonder our Congress can't agree on anything. I for one would not like a longer remote wire. I use my light only on the lid and the extra length would be a PITA. Just goes to show.

    Cordless remote is the answer. One less thing for people to whine over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Well, you should consider it! I would be pissed as hell if I spent this much money on a light and the remote doesn't reach far enough. Total BS. You should be happy that you have early adapters who are spending big money without seeing one review. Don't screw them over.
    Couldn't agree more. Gloworm's response below....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey varider

    I love your passion and understand exactly where you are coming from.

    To provide a bit of background, the cable length was specified for a 720mm bar (considered the average size at the time - about 18 months ago). It was designed to sit just inside the shifter mount so a little bit of movement was required to press the button.

    Over the past 18 months average bar size has most likely increased in addition to the fact every rider will want to place the switch somewhere different.


    We have just specified a new length for the switch that will have it 6cm (over 2 inches) longer than the current version. This means the total length from light to switch will be in excess of 25cm.

    To retrofit a new cable to a light not as easy as plug and go, however we are looking at ways all the time of how to increase the versatility of the product which may include an optional remote or even wireless.

    Thanks for your concern.

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    My take on what I've highlighted above...^^

    I think it needs to be conceded at this point that someone dropped the ball on the remote issue. Remote length was an issue back with the original X2's and that was more than a couple years ago. It was well pointed out not only by myself but by others as well. Not to mention that the wider riser bars used on a lot of FS cross-country bikes have been out there for several years. ( I've owned mine for maybe 6-7 years. Been so long I've lost count ).

    Now to be fair when the new X2's were released this year I was first to point out that the remote length was even shorter than the previous version of the X2 that I already owned. At that time the new ( triple ) XS had yet to be released. That said someone decided to proceed and release the present version of the XS. I'm just glad that finally the issue is being recognized and steps being taken to correct it.

    Now as long as replacements are provided for people who want them when the corrected versions are available I will be a happy camper. Until then I'll try to be patient and wait till the end of January when all this is suppose to take place. In the mean time the people who are buying the Gloworm lights ( as they currently are ) have been given ample warning as long as they are reading the MTBR Gloworm threads.

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    Are their any technical reasons for shortening the remote?
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    a wireless remote would be joy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    a wireless remote would be joy!
    Well...depends.... In theory something that is wireless is preferable. In practice in order to accommodate the transmitter/battery assembly a wireless remote has to be larger. The one used on the Xeccon Sogn 900 looks slightly bigger than a match box. Not only will it have a larger footprint on the bars but there may be issues getting it mounted in a spot where it won't interfere with other equipment ( or vice versa ) yet still be easily accessible. A lot depends on design. Also keep in mind there is going to be another battery to either charge or replace. All things considered, a wireless remote "might" be more trouble then it's worth. In comparison the Gloworm "wired remote" is roughly 20mm x 20mm x 7mm....which is quite small. I like small. Give me another 5-7cm of wire and I'm fine.

    Now with all these things in perspective having a usable wireless remote for the helmet lamp ( that could be mounted on the bars yet not stick out like a sore thumb ) would be the sweetest thing.

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    Hi All,

    Thanks for the responses here. Without such feedback the X2 would never be where it is today and the XS would probably not exist.

    Over the past couple of years, we have put ourselves out there ready to take constructive criticism without opposition. While all feedback is listened to and taken seriously, some suggestions and observations will not be utilised as they are very personal and would not suit a product that is designed for the mass market.

    However, most suggestions that we have received are carefully analysed and used (at least in part) in an attempt to improve the product and therefore your customer experience. Originally when the products were first designed, specifics were discussed in focus groups (of users mtbers, adventurers, roadies) and sound decisions were made based on many facets.

    We consider ourselves dynamic in responding to feedback, however we analyse feedback trends to ensure potential changes are being made for the majority of the potential market. Such moves must be carefully calculated from a marketing and manufacturing point of view.

    We not only receive feedback from MTBR. We regularly receive other constructive criticism from media reviews, direct emails and face to face discussion and yes it is hard to please everyone all of the time.

    Gloworm products are backed up 100%. All someone needs to do if they are dissatisfied with the product is to contact the place where it was bought and a solution will be provided. If any problem you can also contact us directly (vaggelis@glowormlites.co.nz or Bruce@glowormlites.co.nz) and we will look at taking the appropriate steps through our distributors/retalers. We are fully dedicated to the customer experience and unconditionally improving our products every day.

    Cheers

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    Also bear in mind the fun that would ensue when you take a spill and the wireless remote goes m.i.a. in the brush or the battery dies somewhere along the trail. If it was me, it would probably happen miles from home when I shut the light off. For me, the best answer would be some type of modular connection and a few different cords to choose from at the users discretion. Normal, a couple inches shorter for the helmet, or a couple inches longer for wide bars. Even if it raises the price a few dollars, that would be a worthwhile feature for many imo

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    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
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    I ran the XS for about 4 hrs of MTBing last Thursday. Its a mix of exposed fire roads and narrow canyon single tracks with a decent amount of trees and a few upper ridge routes. I like my bar light to have a very wide beam so I was running my own diffuser lens so I can't comment on the beam pattern but I will tell you it is noticeably brighter then my X2 v3. I ended up running my old 5800 battery that came with the XS v2 because the cable is a few inches longer so I can turn my wheel to 90degs left and right without the tugging on the cable to hard. I always switch the setting to high for a few of the gnarliest descents then back to low for the climbs. If there's a gradual rolling single track then ill run it on medium. After 4hrs on the trail and 3-1/2hrs of rolling time the XS flashed quick three or four time letting me know the 5800 battery was low but I only had one last 4 min descent left in the ride.

    Not to beat a dead horse but I was having some minor issues with the remote button. Most of this may be just because I'm having to scoot my hand over from where it should to to reach the button.

    The vague button click can be a challenge to fell through full finger gloves when in a hurry, I'm only in a hurry because I just started my rocky descent and I'm frantically trying to increase the light output but every time I try I get kicked in the ass because I'm can't reach the brake. In my panic my accidentally pressed the button twice to fast and entered the programming mode so I just gave up and finished the trail slowly with the light on low.
    I think if we could get a more solid click from the button it would make it easier to use. I know some will say I should just adjust my light level before descending and yes I normally do but sometimes you forget till your already dropping off the first rock and realize you can't see because your light setting is to low. I referencing the button to my old lupine betty where it had a good solid button click and I never had an issue using it mid rock garden.

    The other thing which has also been mentioned before is the crappy mounting of the button via simple Velcro, again probably wouldn't be an issue if I wasn't having to awkwardly reach my thumb over to feel for the button. Because the button is flat and the bar is round when you press a little low or high of center the button will tip causing even more vagueness. I found lightly wrapping a single loop of electrical tape around the button to further stabilize the button to the bar works ok but not perfect. You can't wrap the tape as tight as you'd like for stabilization because if you do then the tape with not allow the button to return after you press it.

    I've never used one before but the "exposure light" remote button looks like a simple and effective option. It has a simple Velcro attachment strap but the base is concave to properly sit on the bars. I'm considering buying this switch and just spicing the wires to get extra length and a more solid mount but for $50 I'll wait a bit longer and see if gloworm has in store with its late January improvements.

    I'm planning to ride from 9pm tomorrow evening till about sunrise on new years day so I'll be bring multiple batteries and trying to stretch the burn time as long as I can.

    The light is a great light it just has a few small quirks in its layout that I wish were better suited for a handlebar light. Meanwhile the XSv3.1 is absolutely awesome on the helmet and with the new proper user interface program I can think of anything I'd want to change on it, so there I'm not totally negative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
    HR monitors seems to deal just fine with this as well as any bluetooth devices. Off course it might make the device a little more complicated and/or expensive. A remote should be paired with the associated light. Anybody has experience with Lupine remotes? They seem to have it down pretty well (the remote does not appear to be very big).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
    Normally they all use a slightly different coded signal kinda like the garmin Hr monitors. But if they ever overlapped then it would save me the trouble of having to reach all the way over to my buddies handlebar to randomly turn off his light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    In practice in order to accommodate the transmitter/battery assembly a wireless remote has to be larger. The one used on the Xeccon Sogn 900 looks slightly bigger than a match box. Also keep in mind there is going to be another battery to either charge or replace. All things considered, a wireless remote "might" be more trouble then it's worth. In comparison the Gloworm "wired remote" is roughly 20mm x 20mm x 7mm.
    Standard Redhead matchbox dimensions are 53mm x 36mm x 15mm. Xeccon's two-button remote is 38mm x 28mm x 10mm. Very true about having to replace the coin battery at some point. Those batteries are cheap and should last a couple of seasons. Wireless systems should also have a secondary back-up switch on the light head itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    I also wonder what would happen if two riders with the same wireless remote were riding side by side.
    Wireless light heads and remotes are mated. I tried running two wireless Sogns with one remote but no-can-do. Wireless range is at least 6 meters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    ....Not to beat a dead horse but I was having some minor issues with the remote button. Most of this may be just because I'm having to scoot my hand over from where it should to to reach the button.

    ...The vague button click can be a challenge to fell through full finger gloves when in a hurry, I'm only in a hurry because I just started my rocky descent and I'm frantically trying to increase the light output but every time I try I get kicked in the ass because I'm can't reach the brake. mounting of the button via simple Velcro, again probably wouldn't be an issue if I wasn't having to awkwardly reach my thumb over to feel for the button. Because the button is flat and the bar is round when you press a little low or high of center the button will tip causing even more vagueness. I found lightly wrapping a single loop of electrical tape around the button to further stabilize the button to the bar works ok but not perfect. You can't wrap the tape as tight as you'd like for stabilization because if you do then the tape with not allow the button to return after you press it.
    I can relate. Never had a problem with the older X2 but as you mentioned sometimes changing modes in tough terrain can be a challenge. Same thing happens when changing gears though. Do it at the wrong time and it doesn't work so great. As long as the remote is close enough to your thumb it usually isn't a problem. Never had any issues myself with mode changes while wearing full finger gloves. All this depends on your remote mounting solution though. With the shorter remote wires your options are limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post

    ...a usable wireless remote for the helmet lamp ( that could be mounted on the bars yet not stick out like a sore thumb ) would be the sweetest thing.
    ^^ THIS is a cool idea ^^

    If there were an additional option to attach the wireless remote to the wired switch of a wired gloworm product that would be cool. Both switches in the near same place. Effectively tethered so the wireless one wouldn't be lost in a crash/tumble = sweet.

    Let me know if you need a crash tester

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    Interesting idea for remote switch

    Just had a little brain storm just before hitting the sack. Thought I'd pass it on in case I forget it tomorrow.

    For those of us with a roll of the sticky reflective 3M tape; Cut some small pieces and apply it to the outer edges of the Gloworm remote switch. I haven't try it yet but I figure it might help me spot the remote when bouncing over rough terrain. Of course it won't help unless you're using a helmet light though.

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    Why would you even think of adjusting your light over rough terrain ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Why would you even think of adjusting your light over rough terrain ?
    For the same reason you might want to change gears while going too slow...sometimes it just happens

    ...typical scenario; You've just come down a hill will all lights on full. Suddenly you find yourself climbing over a really tough slow uphill loaded with roots, rocks and ruts. Your poking along again and all of your lights are over-heating and wasting output. Usually really easy to change the bar lamp ( with remote ) but the helmet lamp, that's sometimes tricky.

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    Yea I guess with all my prior lights not having remote, it will now change with the XS. I broke my hand 2 days before I got the light so I have not use it yet !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Just had a little brain storm just before hitting the sack. Thought I'd pass it on in case I forget it tomorrow.

    For those of us with a roll of the sticky reflective 3M tape; Cut some small pieces and apply it to the outer edges of the Gloworm remote switch. I haven't try it yet but I figure it might help me spot the remote when bouncing over rough terrain. Of course it won't help unless you're using a helmet light though.
    It's too bad they don't use a lighted external switch like Lupines do. On another note, I get confused when people are calling the Gloworm switches remote when I call it external because remote sounds like it would be something wireless. Oh well, Happy New Year!

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    After having a look through feedback of other remote (extension) switches for other lights it seems that the silicon O-ring is the preferred fitting arrangement. Riders also state that they require a button that gives tactile feedback when pressed and can be used with winter gloves. There are other complaints of too short wiring so not unique to Gloworm. If a plug-in remote switch was used, there would have to be by default a switch on the light body which may not be desirable. Some switches have two buttons...one for power on/off and the other for modes. The popular magic shine type of remote has LED colour indicators that give a rough idea of the charged stated of the battery which is a lot more visible when riding than being on the battery (which is mostly tucked out of sight...and mine just seems to stay green!!). A wireless remote is a further step that requires an additional battery and if lost in a fall etc means that the light will not have a control function...unless there is a switch on the lamp body...hmm.

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