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    Just finished riding all night through New Years 9hrs moving time 75 miles and 2.4 vertical miles of ascent. I ran the XS on the bars with a more secure dual lock Velcro mount and a custom single lens diffuser over the center led. I was trying to conserve battery life because of the length of the ride so I used 10%(special mode)for fire road climbs 30% for flat single tracks and technical climbs, 60% for the good stuff. I only used 100% at the very end on my hardest descent but really 60% would have been just fine for my fast but relaxed pace. I was able to run all 9hrs on one 5800 gloworm battery but unfortunately it was the battery with the bad fuel gauge then I'm returning so I have no idea how much it has left. The performance of the XS as far as tossing light down the trail is everything I could have hoped for and more. I ran my recently received X2v3.1 on the helmet with dual spot lenses and it was fantastic. I let my riding partner use my X2v2 on his bars with one of my diffuser lenses over only one of the LEDs and he's totally sold on the light. He want to get a gloworm of his own as soon as I gets the needed funds, I'll probably let him borrow mine till he gets his own.

    Maybe gloworm should hire me as a demo rep and let me take unsuspecting riders on epic all night adventures using gloworm lights to promote the product

    Here's what our little ride last night and this morning looked like https://www.strava.com/activities/103184610
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    Wow, that's a serious ride, Rojo. You can turn a pedal with the best of 'em. Interesting how there are so many .1 mile segments on that ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    Wow, that's a serious ride, Rojo. You can turn a pedal with the best of 'em. Interesting how there are so many .1 mile segments on that ride.
    Its a very competitive area for both roadies and MTBers so everyone makes these little 0.1 mile segments in hopes that if they push right there they can get a KOM.

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    Hardcore ride.

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    Went out for my first ride with the XS mounted on downside of bars, no helmet light this time. The light is much brighter and wider spread than SolorStorm x3. I had the flood lens in center that's the way it come's shipped. This makes a great bar light, the whole trail is lit-up. My switch is also cracked in the same place as posted, still works but I like the feel of the SolorStorm switch way better more pronounced click and higher raised button. The XS with gloves on is kind of numb feeling. Switch should be held on with rubber-band instead of velcro way easier to adjust !! I also feel another switch should be on light itself. Serfas does this with their new true 1000 light, the remote plugs in to the back of head. Much better design, also has a port on battery for charging phone. Nice !!
    But I do love this light and it's a keeper !!

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    2nd ride last night 2.5 hours, XS on bar SolorStrom x3 on helmet. Great combo 3850 total lumens. Used my 6 cell Xeccon battery for XS and Gemini 4 cell for SS X3. Had all the light I will ever need !!

    After the ride the XS would not turn off, it would go into the very dim mode as it should. I keep holding the button down but would not turn off, had to unplug it. Anyone else have this problem ? Maybe some moisture got in the crack in switch I don't know !! Got home then it worked fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post

    ...After the ride the XS would not turn off, it would go into the very dim mode as it should. I keep holding the button down but would not turn off, had to unplug it. Anyone else have this problem ? Maybe some moisture got in the crack in switch I don't know !! Got home then it worked fine.
    Interesting story. When I first started using the X2's I was worried I might experience some problems if I got caught in a rain shower. Since my job is related to the medical field I have unlimited access to latex ( surgical type ) gloves. I had the idea that perhaps I could wrap the remote button in latex and that would repel water and dirt.

    Basically what I did was cut the end off the glove ( where the hand goes in ) I make it about 1" to 1.5" wide. Then I cut it in half. ( roughly about 6" long ) At this point I size it up by wrapping it around the button and around the bars. Once done I cut off any excess and then tie the ends together. Then I carefully put in around the bars. The latex will curl up like a rubber band, not to worry. When you have it in place you then carefully unfold the latex in the spot where the button is then wrap it over the remote button. The latex will cover the button right nicely and will fit like a ...well, glove... The down side is latex is fragile. At some point it will wear out and tear. If you get three rides out of one you've done well.

    ( * The latex will not interfere with the operation of the button. Another added plus is that the latex also helps keep the remote in place )

    About the lamp not turning off: Not sure what that's about. Could've been just a glitch in the circuit. Moisture in the switch?...ehhh...maybe Unless it happens again I wouldn't worry about it.

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    I've used my XS on half a dozen rides and easily over twenty hrs it's worked perfectly every time with no not turning off issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Our shipment of Gloworm XS's has just arrived and I quickly got one onto the beam test stand. This light blows away anything else we sell. I had to switch scales on the light meter to get a reading.

    Attachment 856306

    (Just noticed the SSS and SFS labels are reversed)
    If your comparing this graph to others be sure and note that we had to increase the Y-axis to 2400 lux to fit it in.
    The only down side is that, as discussed previously, the flood lenses need work. The only real effect they have is to waste part of the light. So the SSS configuration is the best IMO. The light comes with SFS installed but has an extra spot and flood optic in the kit.

    I tried to get rid of this second graph but there's something I don't know.

    Based on the graph (see atachment from Action LED Lghts) I would say the XS light have a very focused spot with all lens configurations.

    Does anyone have some beam photos with the different lens combinations (FFF, FSF, SSS, SFS). These photos will be very useful.

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    Leo,
    I would say the XS is a moderately focused spot. It has a smooth transition out to the sides.
    The flood lens just wastes a part of the light and reduces total output so photos of the different combinations won't look much different, only slightly dimmer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Leo,
    I would say the XS is a moderately focused spot. It has a smooth transition out to the sides.
    The flood lens just wastes a part of the light and reduces total output so photos of the different combinations won't look much different, only slightly dimmer.
    ...and I'll add more to what Action said; No matter what optic you choose to run your lamp ( on the bars ) you should never lose too much throw. The Gloworm lamps/optics do this very well. While it's nice to have lots of flood coming off the bars, if you lose too much distance throw in the process you also lose useability of the lower modes. Balance of spill / throw is key when choosing your optic or reflector bar set-up. If your going to err, better to err to the side of more throw but that's just my opinion.

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    Does anyone have beam shots of a comparison of the XS with standard optics vs. with 3 spot optics? I love my X2 v2 and as much as I prefer a flood pattern, I definitely would like a bit more throw for when I ride on the road.

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    Any night shots?????

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    I am thinking of getting this light, does anyone know if it would fit 7/8th (22mm) bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumfries Dik View Post
    I am thinking of getting this light, does anyone know if it would fit 7/8th (22mm) bars?
    You would need some extra shim to fit that bar. You would also wrap the area where the light mounts with some handlebar tape or friction tape to bring the diameter up.
    I'd be glad to include an extra rubber shim with your order.
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    Hi Jim, thats a very kind offer. However, I am in Scotland and to tell the truth, I have just bought a cheap set of lights off Ebay to see how I get on with them just now.

    Thanks for the info though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumfries Dik View Post
    Hi Jim, thats a very kind offer. However, I am in Scotland and to tell the truth, I have just bought a cheap set of lights off Ebay to see how I get on with them just now.

    Thanks for the info though.
    That's a big change in direction from an XS to cheap ebay knock-offs. Good luck with that.
    We ship world wide.
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    LMAO....

    ...big time change of direction indeed! Last night I took a ride in the cold and snow. Basically I was testing a Nitefire Hero2 ( 3-up XM-L U2 ) on the bars and the Solarstorm X2 (same) on the helmet. Makes a good combo but when I turn the H2 off and the Gloworm X2 (v3) on ( also on the bars ) there is a world of difference. The Gloworm's just have superior output and superior beam pattern.

    Jim, while I have your attention; Are the upgraded versions of the X2 available yet with the longer remote wire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    LMAO....
    Jim, while I have your attention; Are the upgraded versions of the X2 available yet with the longer remote wire?
    Nothing yet and no projected date at this time. I expect it will be a few months as all the channel goes through existing inventory.
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    Hi everyone,

    I have purchased two Gloworm XS (one for a relative and one for me) and X1 and have just had a little time to try them out. I have charged both of them fully and have left them for a test run under a fan.



    I turned on both of them at exactly the same time. However, just 35 minutes into the test, the battery indicator for one of them turned red.



    Both Gloworms lasted around 2 hours on brightest. After that, the one with the seemingly faulty battery indicator switched to a lower power mode for 45 minutes and then turned off. The one that was working normally lasted for 2 hours 20 minutes+ on brightest and then about another 45 minutes after that after which it turned off.

    Any ideas on what I can do about the battery indicator? Thanks

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    I would discharge/recharge 3-4x then replace if it's still not performing to specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davste View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I have purchased two Gloworm XS (one for a relative and one for me) and X1 and have just had a little time to try them out. I have charged both of them fully and have left them for a test run under a fan.



    I turned on both of them at exactly the same time. However, just 35 minutes into the test, the battery indicator for one of them turned red.



    Both Gloworms lasted around 2 hours on brightest. After that, the one with the seemingly faulty battery indicator switched to a lower power mode for 45 minutes and then turned off. The one that was working normally lasted for 2 hours 20 minutes+ on brightest and then about another 45 minutes after that after which it turned off.

    Any ideas on what I can do about the battery indicator? Thanks
    Hey,

    In any situation that you are not sure about anything I'd recommend you get in touch with the shop or in country distributor to see if they can help.

    In this situation, I would do as Gharddog posted and recharge to see if there is any variation to what you are seeing.

    To get 2 hours on high is what should be expected in ideal circumstances. Battery discharge is varied depending on environmental factors.

    Additionally the batteries indication is derived directly from the battery itself and has nothing to do with the light. The indication will vary slightly depending on the draw from the light however the voltage read is taken directly from the cells.

    The light itself will drop down in brightness when the battery reaches a certain voltage, however this is also prone to variation based on resistance in the circuit.

    The fuel gauge is a good indication but it will not give you % to decimal.

    If you are not happy with the situation we will quite happily replace the battery, you'll just need to go through the shop/site you brought it from.

    Any questions feel free to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    I would discharge/recharge 3-4x then replace if it's still not performing to specs.
    Adding to this I would recommend using just one charger at a time to charge both batteries just to see if there is a difference when using different chargers. Quite possibly one of the chargers is not working right. If you still have the problem regardless of which charger is used I would try switching the batteries between the lamps to see if there is a difference when using different lamps. My bet is the problem is with one of the chargers and not the battery. Just make sure you mark the stuff and record the results so you don't get things mixed up.

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    Still no night shots?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbeer View Post
    Still no night shots?!?
    Sorry I've been a lazy bastard and besides my Iphone takes crappy low light night shots and well once I get rolling I just forget to stop and take a picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Sorry I've been a lazy bastard.
    Lol.

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    Night shot??????

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    just a quick shot from tonight from crappy gnex cellphone. Stock setup on helmet mount. Pitch black area. I'm happy with my choice
    Gloworm XS are you getting one?-1779237_261694060674776_1503037771_n.jpg

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    Awesome ! Thanks Choeman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hi Rojo

    The cable lengths have now been addressed and although it won't affect you immediately, customers from end of January will see a significant difference. We are even changing the cable outer material to ensure flexibility.

    Regarding waterproofing of the switch, the crack won't affect it, however you should claim a warranty on the unit and Jim will replace.

    Good luck with the XS! It's our favourite so far!

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    Do the lights come with these changes?

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    Trigger pulled xs enroute! Couldn't resist.

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    Waiting for your impressions!

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    What type of connector does the Light Head uses. Is it compatible with other battery packs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumanji9 View Post
    What type of connector does the Light Head uses. Is it compatible with other battery packs?
    Yes,

    Magicshine
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    I'm sure a few more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    Waiting for your impressions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumanji9 View Post
    What type of connector does the Light Head uses. Is it compatible with other battery packs?
    It uses the same connector as a Gemini, Magicshine, or many others. There is one down side to using other battery packs. Gloworm put the battery charge level indicator on the battery, not the light. If you use other packs you won't have anything thing telling you the charge state of the battery. However, the light itself will give you some warning when it gets starts to get low by pulsing the beam. It will then switching to low at the end of the charge.
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    Received the XS and WOW. This light is very well built. The mount is very impressive and the throw is awesome. I set it up using SSS. The programming takes a little getting use to but all in all a killer light. It appears to have at least twice the throw of my Olympia. I would HIGHLY recommend this light if anyone is looking for a new light or replacing an old one. Think it's time to get rid of the Gemini's

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    G-Dog, any "turn on" problems or issues with remote wire length? I'm surprised to hear that the XS out throws the Olympia but to be fair if the Olympia's had the option for a tighter optic they would likely do just as well. I think Gemini decided to go with 19° optics when 15° would of probably been the better way to go. That is one of the advantages of the XS, you get to choose optics if you want a different beam pattern.

    I've thought about ordering another spot optic for my X2 (v3) but truthfully I really don't think I need it as long as I continue with it on the bars. Right now the X2 (v3) gives me more than I need but Might be interesting to see a "spot-spot" X2 (v3) set up on the helmet. I guess I won't know unless I try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    G-Dog, any "turn on" problems or issues with remote wire length? I'm surprised to hear that the XS out throws the Olympia but to be fair if the Olympia's had the option for a tighter optic they would likely do just as well. I think Gemini decided to go with 19° optics when 15° would of probably been the better way to go. That is one of the advantages of the XS, you get to choose optics if you want a different beam pattern.

    I've thought about ordering another spot optic for my X2 (v3) but truthfully I really don't think I need it as long as I continue with it on the bars. Right now the X2 (v3) gives me more than I need but Might be interesting to see a "spot-spot" X2 (v3) set up on the helmet. I guess I won't know unless I try it.
    Cat,

    You need to look at our new beam pattern test results

    BEAM PATTERNS

    You'll see that the XS has more than twice the peak beam intensity (throw) as the Olympia. But of course the Olympia has a wider beam.
    Also, the X2/XS "flood" optic does nothing more than waste part of the light. The Spot-Spot (or SSS) setup is better in every way. (Gloworm has a little work to do here)
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    Cat, no issues yet. The wire could be a little longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Cat,

    You need to look at our new beam pattern test results

    BEAM PATTERNS

    You'll see that the XS has more than twice the peak beam intensity (throw) as the Olympia. But of course the Olympia has a wider beam.
    Also, the X2/XS "flood" optic does nothing more than waste part of the light. The Spot-Spot (or SSS) setup is better in every way. (Gloworm has a little work to do here)
    Goodness Gracious! Very impressive.

    Lots of interesting stuff being sold on your website. Anyone who hasn't checked out the ActionLED website should. I see at least about $50 worth of stuff that I'd like to have in order to get me ready for the Spring season. Before I buy anything though I better go outside and check the mailbox to see who else wants my money.

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    [[COLOR="#FF0000"]QUOTE=Cat-man-do;11050338]G-Dog, any "turn on" problems or issues with remote wire length?

    I'm not sure if this will help solve your turn on problems but it's something that won't cost anything to try so here goes. When I got my X2V3.1 I plugged in a battery and went through all the modes with no problems and posted the results. Real world, mounted on the bike using the provided velcro pads instead of pressing the remote between two fingers the results were far less consistent. Another mtbr member had recommended using a bar mount from an old Magicshine lignthead to provide a flat surface to mount the remote = back to flawless operation. The only other thing I did was to use a little more aggressive double stick tape on the MS mount. The o-ring MS mount also made it easier switching the light from bike to bike and put the remote within thumb reach on both my sram and shimano equipped bikes.

    (QUOTE) I'm surprised to hear that the XS out throws the Olympia but to be fair if the Olympia's had the option for a tighter optic they would likely do just as well. I think Gemini decided to go with 19° optics when 15° would of probably been the better way to go. That is one of the advantages of the XS, you get to choose optics if you want a different beam pattern.

    I'm so glad you mentioned this and hope Gemini see's it. While for me it was no big deal with my Olympia since it was my primary bar light but I was really expecting they would provide a tighter optic for the duo. I'll never understand why Gemini provides spot/flood/reflector options for their least expensive light (Xera) and nothing for their more powerful models.
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    Jim sent me a new XS under Warr. for the remote switch button problem. Cracked and not turning the light off on long 2-3 hour rides in cold 20-25 degree nights. The new unit has been fine, no problems.

    I still do not like the button feel, not pronounced enough and needs improvement. I think it should be able to plug and unplug to the back of head unit, with an additional button also on mounted on head unit that would serve as battery indicator. The Glowworm battery should have charging port for cell phone "Epic rides". Serfas TSL-T1000 has all this, it's really nice. I may get one.
    I light output on the XS is hard to beat, the handlebar mount is top notch, the size and weight the best out there !! Almost the perfect light, come on Gloworm !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    The Glowworm battery should have charging port for cell phone "Epic rides". Serfas TSL-T1000 has all this, it's really nice. I may get one.
    I'll mention it here in case your not aware of it. The Magicshine MJ-6086 USB adapter allows you to use any battery with a Magicshine/Gloworm/Gemini type connector as a power bank. It has up to a 2 amp output which allows you to charge something as big as an I-Pad in the same time as a wall charger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Jim sent me a new XS under Warr. for the remote switch button problem. Cracked and not turning the light off on long 2-3 hour rides in cold 20-25 degree nights. The new unit has been fine, no problems.

    I still do not like the button feel, not pronounced enough and needs improvement. I think it should be able to plug and unplug to the back of head unit, with an additional button also on mounted on head unit that would serve as battery indicator. The Glowworm battery should have charging port for cell phone "Epic rides". Serfas TSL-T1000 has all this, it's really nice. I may get one.
    I light output on the XS is hard to beat, the handlebar mount is top notch, the size and weight the best out there !! Almost the perfect light, come on Gloworm
    !!
    You have some good ideas. I like the idea of a "remote plug input port" on the head unit. That would give the user the option of choosing a longer or shorter remote wire ( if indeed one was offered ). The downside would be that a port could possible lead to water ingress which is probably why GW chose not to go that way.

    A secondary button switch on the head unit would not really be as useful as you might think. Since the lamp uses a tilting mount, any touching of the lamp would likely move the aim of the beam WHICH would be a pita to say the least.

    As for the voltage indicators; I own an older DIY lamp that had a remote switch with indicators built in. Would likely require a redesign of the driver to work though.

    The option to have a USB output port would be nice but would make more sense to have that on the battery. BTW, ActionLED sells a USB adapter with MS plug to use with your MS compatible battery. Likely I'll be buying one of those myself. Used with a "Y" cable you can run your lamp AND charge your phone / USB device at the same time.

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    Quick dirty shots. About 25 yards. 30%,70%, and 100%.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Quick dirty shots. About 25 yards. 30%,70%, and 100%.


    GD, which optics are you running? SSS I assume?

    I ordered my XS last Thursday and it was shipped within ONE HOUR! (Excellent service and thank you, Jim!)

    I assume the standard setup is SFS? I will swap mine out to SSS once I receive it (I will check out the beam pattern with the standard setup if it's not SSS first though).

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    Black bean,

    Yes it comes with SFS installed. I am running mine with SSS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Black bean,

    Yes it comes with SFS installed. I am running mine with SSS.
    Great. Thx for the quick reply!

    From the info Action-LED provided it sounds like the SSS would still provide enough spill for trail rides. I can't wait for the snow to melt in the NE to hit the trails. I've tried riding my trainer with my X2 but it doesn't really make the ride more interesting!

    I am very happy with the X2 (v1) and excited to see how the XS looks compared to it. I'm ready to be blown away....

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    I think you will be impressed. Gloworm developed an awesome light.
    I wish I had better equipment to take good photographs.

    Jim is awesome !!

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    Wow impressive clarity throughout the beams length. Looks like you can scan up and down the trail at speed, without the distractions that come with lesser quality beams. Thanks GD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    Wow impressive clarity throughout the beams length. Looks like you can scan up and down the trail at speed, without the distractions that come with lesser quality beams. Thanks GD!

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    I think you will be impressed. Gloworm developed an awesome light.
    I wish I had better equipment to take good photographs.

    Jim is awesome !!
    Yep. Officially I am!

    Firstly, a BIG UP to Jim and Action-LED. I actually ordered my XS last FRIDAY at 9:51 am and it was shipped at 10:49am. I got home last night and found it waiting for me in the kitchen!

    Needless to say, I immediately hooked it up and compared to my X2 v1 (not that I had to compare it), it was just CRAZY. The beam seems whiter too, which I like.

    Then I swapped out the stock flood lens with the additional spot and it got even better. For sure, the SSS setup is best for this light. I didn't find that I lost much spill, but the beam seemed more focused.

    It's not the focused beam of a Lupine or even the Niteriders of late, but it's white and throws very far. The Lupine and NR IMO are actually a bit too tight (well, the ones I've seen or rode with - I know Lupine has diff options for beam angle). So this is in no way a knock on the brilliant XS. I actually PREFER the beam pattern.

    I'm going out on the road tonight (can't wait) to enjoy the light. I have a 1:15 workout scheduled which I normally do on the trainer this time of the year. But it's going to be in the 40's and I want to blaze up the roads.

    The other thing was the clear step up in brightness with each click (I would mostly use the trial (1 click activation) programme) of the remote. I couldn't believe how bright the light was going from MED to HIGH. I expected only a slight increase in brightness (the jump from 70% power to 100% is not as big as from 30% to 70%) but I was pleasantly surprised. This light brings it in spades!

    I told my wife last night this would be my last light. Well, until I can get a light with much higher efficiency. Ultimately I would like a 2-cell battery lasting at least 1:30 on HIGH that I can mount on the helmet. Maybe in 5 years we'll get there with more efficient LED's and higher density batteries. For now, I'm set and just LOVE this light. I loved the X2, but this is a HUGE step up.

    Two thumbs up to Gloworm for an excellent product and Action-LED for unbeatable customer service!

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    Maybe a second xS for the helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Maybe a second xS for the helmet.
    Haha....actually I find the light provided from handlebar lights dissapointing. Just personal. I carry a NR cordless light as backup in case my primary light fails, so no worries there.

    But this is my take. As you reduce the altitude of your light source, the light becomes less spread out. For instance, put the light on your helmet, then down on the floor/ground. On the ground even a powerful 2000 lumen light don't light up much.

    Going from helmet height to handlebar height I find I lose so much light that I don't care for the handlebar light.

    Again, this is just personal preference. I find my helmet light sufficient as a flood and spot even up to now I've wanted more throw. Maybe the XS addresses that too. From last night's experiment it might just.

    Also, it's easier to setup just one light. I keep mine permanently mounted on a dedicated helmet with the extension cord. I just have to connect the battery, throw it in my jersey pocket and go. There's so much stuff to prepare for a ride as is that the extra light I get from a handlebar mounted light is not worth the effort for me.

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    Just bought a xs. I'm ecstatic. I just got into MTB riding and since I plan of being real safe! a light was priority. Buying the best was simple enough.

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    Good light but with rain velcros of remote switch power and battery lose some fixing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pabcor View Post
    Good light but with rain velcros of remote switch power and battery lose some fixing.

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    I'm sure the light will bring you endless joy.

    With weather improving on the EC, I'm getting out 2-3 nights a week now. This light just keeps on giving.

    One of the other features I really love (first being the REMOTE - just won't do without this anymore) about this light is the 2 modes that either has 2 or 3 output levels. I find using the 2 level mode so much better than 3 levels, but the option is there if I need it.

    And there is a big improvement in efficiency of the emitters over the original X2. I definitely get more run time on the XS (at an even higher lumen level) with the same battery.

    Just LOVE this light.

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    After using the XS for about a months now, I find that the light and battery life is amazing. I also use it on the road and I often will get someone flashing their brights. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperocity View Post
    After using the XS for about a months now, I find that the light and battery life is amazing. I also use it on the road and I often will get someone flashing their brights. Lol
    It's incredibly bright. I'd suggest putting the angle pointing towards the front tyre instead of straight ahead. Especially in the dark, it will absolutely blind drivers. Some just stop completely, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davste View Post
    It's incredibly bright. I'd suggest putting the angle pointing towards the front tyre instead of straight ahead. Especially in the dark, it will absolutely blind drivers. Some just stop completely, haha!
    When using a lamp like the XS for the road it is best to not use the highest output modes unless they are really needed ( or no traffic is near you at the moment ). If you have a lamp that outputs 400 to 500 lumen, that is the maximum output that should be used for normal road use ( IMO ). This said there are moments when you might need the max output for your own protection. Fast curvy road down-hills with lots of trees and wildlife in the area are always a good reason to use a little extra light.

    And speaking of wildlife while on the road; A couple weeks ago I ran into some rather unusual wildlife while riding on the local roads at night. Seems I had a run-in with a "Two-legged motorized egg spewer". Could of been worse, they only hit my rear fender. Why people do this kind of stuff is beyond me.

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    Any other xs owners out there??

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    Gloworm Switch Mount

    Gloworm has now come out with a mount for their remote switch. Attaching the flat bottom switch to a round handlebar with the included velcro patches has been a less than perfect solution. This new switch mount zip-ties to your bar to give you a secure, flat surface. There now standard with all Gloworm light or available separately if you need an extra or want one for an older light.
    Find it HERE

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    about the new button holder...

    Interesting solution but I'm not sure it would work on my mountain bike...the shifter and brake levers would get in the way. While it would work on my road ( straight bar ) bike, the current Velcro strap system works fine. That's probably because on the road bike I'm using the older model of the X2 which has the longer remote wire. The button on my X2 (v3) ( on my MTB ) only reaches to my shifter pods so I have it mounted on the metal bracket that holds the pods. It moves around a bit because the bracket for the shifters is not flat but if I had one of those holders perhaps I could glue it to the bracket. Wouldn't mind having a couple to just to see how they might work.

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    Why not just have a mini-rubber band mount so its easier to take on/off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Why not just have a mini-rubber band mount so its easier to take on/off?
    Having several bikes I use my X2 on I have to agree. Better option from Action IMO is to get a bar mount for a MS808/Gemini Titan. It has a flat surface to attach the velcro/remote to and has hooks for any standard attachment band (works great for me!). Either mount should provide more consistent results using the remote and I'm glad Gloworm now provides something for better bar usage. Next improvement on my want list is a better flood optic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Having several bikes I use my X2 on I have to agree. Better option from Action IMO is to get a bar mount for a MS808/Gemini Titan. It has a flat surface to attach the velcro/remote to and has hooks for any standard attachment band (works great for me!). Either mount should provide more consistent results using the remote and I'm glad Gloworm now provides something for better bar usage. Next improvement on my want list is a better flood optic.
    Mole
    That's a pretty good idea ( the plastic MS mount ) but I think it would likely make the button sit a little high. The new Gloworm button mount might be better as it is likely a little lower profile.

    It turns out that they make reuseable / releaseable plastic zip ties. Find the right size and it should work. Still, they're just a couple bucks a piece so why not just leave the button mount on the bars. IMO it would be one less thing to worry about when you're getting your bike ready to ride.

    ~ ~ ~ So Mr. Mole, what don't you like about the current flood optics?
    ( what lamp / version are you using? ) The lamp I use X2 ( v3 ) is using the standard 1-flood / 1-spot set-up and I think it's almost perfect. It has so much a wider beam pattern than some of my other lamps ( with almost no loss of throw ) that I'd be hard pressed to find something better. Keep in mind that if you use a wider optic much of the light is going to wasted. That said, one of things I've noticed on some of my last rides is just how much the GW X2 throws light in a wide area. Light just goes everywhere, up, down, forward and to the sides. Beats all of my reflector based lamps for bar mounting hands down.
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    An interesting option for optical lenses would be about as carrying the Magicshine Eagle 600 and Fenix ​​BT20 to not disturb oncoming cars and pedestrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pabcor View Post
    An interesting option for optical lenses would be about as carrying the Magicshine Eagle 600 and Fenix ​​BT20 to not disturb oncoming cars and pedestrians.
    While all this is completely off topic I couldn't pass up the opportunity to point out something that you might not have considered. To be specific; There are people out there driving cars on the road who simply put; "Do not like cyclist, period". It doesn't matter to them what kind of bike you ride, what you are wearing, what lights or other safety gear you use and whether or not you are riding as far to the right as possible; All that makes no difference to these people. The fact that you are THERE and bold enough to ride in the road is enough to disturb them. That said it might be better not to worry so much about what might disturb someone because no matter what you do you aren't going to please everyone. Use whatever lights you want. If someone doesn't like the lights that I use they can kiss my..... Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    That's a pretty good idea ( the plastic MS mount ) but I think it would likely make the button sit a little high. The new Gloworm button mount might be better as it is likely a little lower profile.[COLOR="#FF0000"]


    It turns out that they make reuseable / releaseable plastic zip ties.


    ~ ~ ~ So Mr. Mole, what don't you like about the current flood optics?
    ( what lamp / version are you using? ) The lamp I use X2 ( v3 ) is using the standard 1-flood / 1-spot set-up and I think it's almost perfect. It has so much a wider beam pattern than some of my other lamps ( with almost no loss of throw ) that I'd be hard pressed to find something better. Keep in mind that if you use a wider optic much of the light is going to wasted. That said, one of things I've noticed on some of my last rides is just how much the GW X2 throws light in a wide area. Light just goes everywhere, up, down, forward and to the sides. Beats all of my reflector based lamps for bar mounting hands down.
    1) I agree that was a great idea but not one I can take credit for as I read it in another post. I run my remote at the back of my bars so it's close to my thumb and I honestly didn't notice the height difference compared to the Velcro on the bars but the Gloworm mount does look like a lower profile.

    2) Kool!

    3) I have an X2 V3.1. I had a warranty issue and Jim sent me a new lighthead before I sent to old one back. I took the opportunity and compared one with 2 spots and one with 2 floods. I couldn't tell ANY difference in beam width, just that the spots had considerably more throw. The X2 is my favorite light and has great throw but less flood than my bad eyes need and even though I bought it as a helmet light, the remote and it's many other outstanding features/performance have spoiled me. With more effective flood optics another X2 W/2 floods or an XS W/2 flood 1 spot or maybe 3 floods would probable make a great bar light for me. For now I'll use my Olympias or the Taz 1200 I just got.

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    How do you tell the lens a part. I guess it is only because it came with more that I want to try the. I do not see any markings on the ones that came with the light and before I take the others out I figured I would ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartacuslv View Post
    How do you tell the lens a part. I guess it is only because it came with more that I want to try the. I do not see any markings on the ones that came with the light and before I take the others out I figured I would ask.

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    The flood has a slightly frosted front. The spot has a clear front and a frosted spot in the center. The super spot has a clear front and a dimpled center.

    Hope that helps.
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    Does the light come with a super spot? I do not see one that looks like that.
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    The flood has a slightly frosted front. The spot has a clear front and a frosted spot in the center. The super spot has a clear front and a dimpled center.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartacuslv View Post
    Does the light come with a super spot? I do not see one that looks like that.
    Sorry, I was thinking of the X1 which has 3 choices. The XS and X2 use the same optics and there is just a spot and flood. (though I recommend just using the spots). The XS comes with 2 spot lenses in the outside positions and one flood in the center. It comes with and extra of each.
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    I haven't been happy with my Betty R (3600 lumen model) and have been considering "upgrading" to the XS for the following reasons: (1) The Betty's beam is not as wide as I'd like; (2) The wireless remote is sometimes finicky and requires two or three pushes to activate; (3) The connector between the light and the battery is not fully secure so the light occasionally "disconnects" and turns off during rough descents. Needless to say, for a $1K light these are not inconsequential complaints. Question for Jim @ Action LED: Is the XS light head compatible with Gemini batteries?

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    Gemini, gloworm, magicshine, dinotte, and FmA batteries all use the same connector.

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    The XS light head has too short of remote wire. The light is a great light though, wide bright and light in weight. Nice mount on bars, the remote and wire need improved. Gemini and Gloworm batteries are interchangeable. Also recommend looking at the Serfas Lights also interchangeable with the above. Very high quality and stay cool to touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu06 View Post
    I haven't been happy with my Betty R (3600 lumen model) and have been considering "upgrading" to the XS for the following reasons: (1) The Betty's beam is not as wide as I'd like; (2) The wireless remote is sometimes finicky and requires two or three pushes to activate; (3) The connector between the light and the battery is not fully secure so the light occasionally "disconnects" and turns off during rough descents. Needless to say, for a $1K light these are not inconsequential complaints. Question for Jim @ Action LED: Is the XS light head compatible with Gemini batteries?
    Sorry to hear your not happy with your Betty-R stu06. A bit surprised you feel the beam is to narrow as mine seems to fill the entire road leading up to single track. In the five years I've been using Lupines I've never experienced the connectors coming apart not even close so not sure what may be going on with yours,, do you have any slack in the wire,, if not that's probably the problem excluding a faulty or broken connector,,, you can order a 20mm extension and that should resolve the problem?? I do agree the remote can be finicky and could use some improvement,,, only seems to affect my helmet lamp head as the bar lamp responds just fine.

    I have also thought that had I not been able to afford a set of Betty-R's,, an XS for the bars and X-2 for the lid would likely be my set up providing the remote wire wasn't to short, I'm only running a Easton EC-70 720mm so I would think that wouldn't be an issue as that is a fairly narrow bar by today's standards. Whatever your choice good luck stu06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu06 View Post
    I haven't been happy with my Betty R (3600 lumen model) and have been considering "upgrading" to the XS for the following reasons: (1) The Betty's beam is not as wide as I'd like; (2) The wireless remote is sometimes finicky and requires two or three pushes to activate; (3) The connector between the light and the battery is not fully secure so the light occasionally "disconnects" and turns off during rough descents. Needless to say, for a $1K light these are not inconsequential complaints. Question for Jim @ Action LED: Is the XS light head compatible with Gemini batteries?
    Yes, it is with one caveat. Gloworm puts the fuel gauge on the battery pack itself while Gemini has it in the light head button. The only indication you will have of a low battery is when the light flashes to warn you that there is just a few minutes left. This does gives you time to stop and change batteries or switch to low.
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    So is the Glowworm XS better than the L&M Seca 2000? I was sold on a Seca until I stumbled onto this thread. Glowworm seems to be the same weight with longer runtime than the Seca Race, although the Seca Enduro has a bigger battery, longer runtime, and more weight. The MTBR shoutout unfortunately has different backgrounds, so it is hard to tell which has a better beam pattern. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!

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    Ended up ordering the Gloworm
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    You won't be disappointed.

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    I was checking out the XS again tonight. Impressive light no doubt about it!! XS on the bar and the Gemini Xera with spot lens on helmet. Great combo and so light on head forgot it was there!! No more light will be needed for MTB at fast pace.

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    My Gemini's 6 cell battery died this week, I am also looking at the XS. Compared to the Gemini which I thought was pretty good, what do you guys think in comparison?

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    Which Gemini?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Which Gemini?
    1800. I should have included that. My bad.

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    The Olympia is a great light but mine have sat in my garage collecting dust since I got the xS. The XS will out throw (2x) the Olympia and the mounting is superior on the Xs.

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    How about wide field? Thanks for the comments guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    The Olympia is a great light but mine have sat in my garage collecting dust since I got the xS. The XS will out throw (2x) the Olympia and the mounting is superior on the Xs.
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    I use an Olympia currently as my bar light but have been wanting to upgrade and the XS is one of the lights I've considered. What I really want is a wider beam and I know the XS has much greater throw but am not sure if it has more (or even as much) flood as the Olympia. Since you own both your opinion would be appreciated.
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    Mole,

    If I recall correctly the Xs flood using the SSS set up is not much more than the Olympia. I don't think I even tried the flood lens since I wanted more throw and I was happy with the flood using the SSS set up. If you are happy with your Olympia's throw and your looking for more flood I'm not sure if the xS will be an "upgrade" in your application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Mole,

    If I recall correctly the Xs flood using the SSS set up is not much more than the Olympia. I don't think I even tried the flood lens since I wanted more throw and I was happy with the flood using the SSS set up. If you are happy with your Olympia's throw and your looking for more flood I'm not sure if the xS will be an "upgrade" in your application.
    That's too bad. I really like the Gloworm set up (I have an X2 V3.1) but unfortunately its optics (same as XS) do not work in the flood configuration. Hopefully Gloworm will redesign its flood optics or maybe Magicshines new 862 (5 emitter, looks like a "SUPER" 872) will work. Thanks for the reply!
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    The new MS 872 with its 5 led will be a great flood light, I just ordered the MJ-856 head only for 77.00 from Jim for friend for the bar. 77.00 bucks for the bar light, and 100.00 bucks for the 2013 Xera light set for the helmet another great combo.

    The Gloworm is a step up from the Gemini stuff, better batteries Pan. cells but also more money. Try to get stuff while on sale!!

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    Did my first test tonight with my Gloworms (XS on the bars and X1 on the helmet) Its a pretty awesome setup.

    Coming from my OLD niteriders these lights are a VAST improvement! I also love how light and compact the setup is.

    Also for those complaining about not having a stable mount for the bar switch you can just use a zip tie anchor upside down on the bars to give yourself a nice flat spot to mount the switch. I just put a piece of foam tape on the bars under the mount so it doesn't spin around it works great.

    I snapped a couple photos of the setup.







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    Sweet set up ZJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zjchaser View Post

    Yes indeed, nice set-up

    Can't see though how you get any advantage of using the remote with the button set-up so far from the grips. If it were me I'd mount it in that bare space you have just left of the grip.

    Just about a month ago I found another way to keep the remote button in place. Doesn't require velcro, O-rings or bands. I just use black duct tape and surround the switch on all four sides. Works pretty good for keeping the button in one place and since the tape is black it pretty much blends with the bars. I suppose at some point the tape might lose some of it's adhesiveness but even if it does I can always replace it. So far it's holding up pretty good for something mounted on the uneven surface of my shifter bracket. Of course if you take your lights off the bike this might not be a workable solution. In my case the X2 I use is so small I just let on the bike full time, day or night.

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    Man, you guys are spoiled. The button on my old lights was on the battery packs. Most buttons on any other current lights are on the light housing. I can reach that button easily with the slightest shift of my hand while still on the grip. On a normal ride I would rather infrequently ever reach for it. Last night I changed the brightness a lot testing things it and never even considered the button reach an issue.

    My lights only go on for night rides so I'm certainly not duct taping the switch on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zjchaser View Post
    Man, you guys are spoiled. The button on my old lights was on the battery packs. Most buttons on any other current lights are on the light housing. I can reach that button easily with the slightest shift of my hand while still on the grip. On a normal ride I would rather infrequently ever reach for it. Last night I changed the brightness a lot testing things it and never even considered the button reach an issue.

    My lights only go on for night rides so I'm certainly not duct taping the switch on.

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    Spoiled? Uhhhh, I don't think so. BTW, that looks like a very nice bike you have all the bling mounted on, I bet it cost a pretty penny. Nice looking Garmin, bet those don't come cheap. Nice looking road bike in the background, those racing wheels?.....can we say "Cha-Ching"? *cough*....now about being spoiled, perhaps you might want to rethink pointing that finger in our direction.

    Anyway, I was just trying to be helpful. Not all of my tips are going to work for everyone, I already know that.

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    Re: Gloworm XS are you getting one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Spoiled? Uhhhh, I don't think so. BTW, that looks like a very nice bike you have all the bling mounted on, I bet it cost a pretty penny. Nice looking Garmin, bet those don't come cheap. Nice looking road bike in the background, those racing wheels?.....can we say "Cha-Ching"? *cough*....now about being spoiled, perhaps you might want to rethink pointing that finger in our direction.

    Anyway, I was just trying to be helpful. Not all of my tips are going to work for everyone, I already know that.
    Haha, tongue in cheek man. My apologies forgetting the emoticons apparently required convey humor and sarcasm. "Spoiled" has a few other meanings as well😜 I'm very happy you found a setup works well for you. 😗
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    Quote Originally Posted by zjchaser View Post
    Did my first test tonight with my Gloworms (XS on the bars and X1 on the helmet) Its a pretty awesome setup.

    Coming from my OLD niteriders these lights are a VAST improvement! I also love how light and compact the setup is.

    Also for those complaining about not having a stable mount for the bar switch you can just use a zip tie anchor upside down on the bars to give yourself a nice flat spot to mount the switch. I just put a piece of foam tape on the bars under the mount so it doesn't spin around it works great.

    I snapped a couple photos of the setup.


    zjchaser,

    Are you aware of the switch mount Gloworm is providing with all the lights now? There are a couple of foam strip on the underside and two black zip ties are included

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    I have decided to go with the gloworm xs. Now I was hoping that Jim would make a group deal for us 😜

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