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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?

    FYI: Action LED now has the new Version 3 edition of the Gloworm X2 on their website. I'm in.. Can't wait to get my hands on the little gem. My expectations are very high. I sure hope the Gloworm people don't let me down. These aren't inexpensive.

    I have a question for Jim ( Action LED ) or anyone else who might know: I ordered the lamp head only. I thought I remember reading somewhere ( on MTBR ) that the new units were going to include the new ( solid alloy ) quick release/cam lock bar mounts. I know I'm getting a mount but not sure if it's the same O-ring mount or cam lock type mount?

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    Hey Cat, what you probably saw was our display at Interbike. We used the QR mount for the show however the X2 will be delivered with the standard o-ring mount. The XS comes standard with the QR mount.

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    I would be on this like white on rice, but building a carbon frame 650B HT bike from the ground up so I'll have to hold off for now.

    Can't wait for your review when it arrives.
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    It looks like its going to sell like hotcakes.

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    Here's the mount Cat
    Action-LED-Lights ? Gloworm Quick Release Mount

    $180 for the light head only. Not cheap.
    Here's the product link
    Action-LED-Lights ? GLOWORM X2 v3 1500 lumen Bike Light

    I just ordered something from action led yesterday. I ordered at around 2:15 and by 4:30 it was already shipped! You can't get better than that.

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    Anyone think the X1 V1 is a better value than the X1 V2? I plan to eventually get a V2 V3 as well.

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    I am weak - I just purchased both the X2 v3 and the X1 v2 - light heads only, plus the quick release mount for the X2. I have the X2 v2 and have been very pleased with it. I think these lights are reasonably priced based on the beam quality, small size, weight, mounting options and overall quality.

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    how does the new X2 compare to the Gemini Olympia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey Cat, what you probably saw was our display at Interbike. We used the QR mount for the show however the X2 will be delivered with the standard o-ring mount. The XS comes standard with the QR mount.

    Cheers!

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    Bruce, I'm a little confused about what optics are coming with the X2. Can you shed a little light on this issue? If the standard set up is one flood, one spot...how long before we can order another optic of our choice? I use a spot, spot in my current set-up and thought I might like to continue with that arrangement. Still I look forward to seeing how well the new optic system you have works. Could be I might be completely happy with whatever comes out of the box. My friend above though, is much harder to please.

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    Just bought a x2 v3 for a new helmet light.

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    It's Here!: Initial observations

    Whoa Nelly! Got this thing fast! No one's going to accuse Jim at Action LED of being slow to ship!

    Strange as it is I was not impressed when I first turned it on. This goes to show how initial impressions can be totally off base when you are just using your eyes ( inside a house ). Now please continue reading....

    After shining the lamp around in my home a bit I pulled my other X2 (U2, spot-flood ) off my bike to compare the two. At first I shook my head because I couldn't tell much difference. To get a more accurate read out I put up the lux meter ( ~4-5 meters distance ) to get a lux
    measurement....Holy Smokes!...New version X2 is getting another 200 lux!

    Compared to my U2 version this is about a 42% increase in output Out the Front ( OTF ) when in it's highest mode. Keep in mind this is lux not lumen. The lux meter is measuring the intensity at the most brightest point of the beam pattern. This explains why I couldn't tell much difference inside the house. Most of the extra output is going to be "forward throwing". For the human eye to see the difference you need DISTANCE to get the full effect. Not gonna happen inside the house.

    Well, it looks like the Gloworm people have worked some voodoo magic here. With the higher bin XM-L2's and newer refined optics this lamp should totally rock once it hits the trails. ( lamp comes standard with one flood and one spot optic )

    Can't wait to see what the added output looks like on the trails. Unfortunately in my case that's not going to happen anytime soon. Where I live we've entered what I like to call "The Fall Mini-Monsoon" season. It's been raining constantly for about three days and looks like it might continue for at least another couple days. Trails will not be ride worthy anytime soon.

    On a brighter note the new mode menu set-up is a real winner. Changing between the two factory programs is a breeze. One push starts the Trail Programme or two quick pushes starts the Commuter Programme, it's as simple as that. Customizing each of the light levels is relatively simple once you get the hang of it. I've already customized the "Commuter Programme" to be more of a "Race Programme". On the other "Trail Programme" I'm going to dim the mid-level down just a notch or two and then I'll be set.

    Now all I need is for the rain to stop and for the trails to dry up a bit so I can enjoy my new toys. ( *Sigh* ) The "Race people" are going to love these. With the increased efficiency of the optic/LED set-up I have no doubt that when used on the lower outputs there is going to be a very noticeable difference in the run time of whatever battery set-up you choose to use. Added run time is always a nice thing to have.

    ( *Note: to whom it may concern. I have no official proprietary relationship with Gloworm or the people who sell their products. I bought the lamp from Action LED at the listed price with my own money. )

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    The new gloworm looks sweet but i couldn't justify the cost when two 2013 olympia's cost less than one V3. Can't wait for a good review on the v3. Maybe I'll pull the trigger in a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    The new gloworm looks sweet but i couldn't justify the cost when two 2013 olympia's cost less than one V3. Can't wait for a good review on the v3. Maybe I'll pull the trigger in a few months.
    Well....sounds like a good deal. May I ask who the seller was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Well....sounds like a good deal. May I ask who the seller was?
    Same. Action. Only place I deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    The new gloworm looks sweet but i couldn't justify the cost when two 2013 olympia's cost less than one V3. Can't wait for a good review on the v3. Maybe I'll pull the trigger in a few months.
    I just bought 2x 2013 Olympias for the bar to pair with a v3 on the helmet. I'm selling my t6 xera and olympia to my riding buddy and this closeout sale are helping to justify the expense. There are some AWESOME deals at ACTION LED right now. Use the code CLOSEOUT13 for an extra 10% off already discounted 2013 gloworm and gemini stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    I just bought 2x 2013 Olympias for the bar to pair with a v3 on the helmet. I'm selling my t6 xera and olympia to my riding buddy and this closeout sale are helping to justify the expense. There are some AWESOME deals at ACTION LED right now. Use the code CLOSEOUT13 for an extra 10% off already discounted 2013 gloworm and gemini stuff.
    Indeed. You have a killer set up. I'm going to run 2 Olympia's and one duo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    The new gloworm looks sweet but i couldn't justify the cost when two 2013 olympia's cost less than one V3. Can't wait for a good review on the v3. Maybe I'll pull the trigger in a few months.
    That was a good deal. Unfortunately the price on the light head was a typo. I'll honor the price the lucky few got but there a little more now. The sets came down a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Indeed. You have a killer set up. I'm going to run 2 Olympia's and one duo.
    Thanks, you have a sweet setup as well. Your lumens/dollar ratio is great especially considering you're getting gemini quality and programming options.

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    Minor problem with new X-2

    TonightI decided to try to take the new X2 out on the paved trails behind my home. While setting up the lamp I ran into a couple problems. It seems the new remote wire is about an inch shorter than the previous editions. Depending on your handlebar length ( mine are quite long ) this could be a major issue. I find I now have to use the provided Velcro block ( with sticky on back ) rather than the previous strip of Velcro I was using. Unfortunately since the bars are round ( and the back of the remote isn't ) this results in a rather unstable platform to mount the remote.

    Since the wire is too short I'm going to have to mount the remote just under my Rapidfire shifter display. That means I'm going to have to stretch my thumb a bit further if I need to change modes. If I can't deal with this I'll have to return the light. I complained years ago that the previous editions were just barely long enough. I'm not happy that they decided to shorten the wire. With my hand on the brake lever my thumb now BARELY reaches the button. Jeez, makes no sense to me to scrimp on 3 cm worth of wire. Total buzz kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    TonightI decided to try to take the new X2 out on the paved trails behind my home. While setting up the lamp I ran into a couple problems. It seems the new remote wire is about an inch shorter than the previous editions. Depending on your handlebar length ( mine are quite long ) this could be a major issue. I find I now have to use the provided Velcro block ( with sticky on back ) rather than the previous strip of Velcro I was using. Unfortunately since the bars are round ( and the back of the remote isn't ) this results in a rather unstable platform to mount the remote.

    Since the wire is too short I'm going to have to mount the remote just under my Rapidfire shifter display. That means I'm going to have to stretch my thumb a bit further if I need to change modes. If I can't deal with this I'll have to return the light. I complained years ago that the previous editions were just barely long enough. I'm not happy that they decided to shorten the wire. With my hand on the brake lever my thumb now BARELY reaches the button. Jeez, makes no sense to me to scrimp on 3 cm worth of wire. Total buzz kill.
    How was the throw/flood. Better than previous version? Any other issues other than the wire length?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    How was the throw/flood. Better than previous version? Any other issues other than the wire length?
    I did a short ride on the paved trails behind my home. From what I can tell ( with trails still wet ) there is definitely more throw on the highest output level. That's the good part.

    Now the bad part; There is a noticeable delay when pushing the button to change modes compared to the original version. I believe this is due to the new programmable menu. Not a big issue but coupled with the difficulty of trying to reach the button with the shortened wire there is a moment of doubt on whether or not you have successfully engaged the button ( about a 0.5 sec delay ). This delay also effects how you turn the lamp on when first turned on. Once again not a big issue but certainly noticeable. Occasionally when you try to turn the lamp on ( with one push ) nothing happens and you have to try again. Not unusual for it to take 2-3 tries to get the lamp to turn on.

    I am seriously considering returning the lamp. While I like the extra output I'm not sure I can accept the operational limitations of the button assembly and the UI. When I press a button I need to see something happen, FAST. This is even more important when you have your hand stretched out trying to hit a small button as you navigate over rough terrain. I figure if I return the lamp perhaps they will correct the shortened remote wire with the later productions. We will see.

    ( *Note; I own three previous versions of the Gloworm X2. All of those versions had no operational issues.

    Would be super nice if the Gloworm people would offer to provide a replacement lamp with a longer wire.

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    Thank you Cat.

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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?

    Cat, thanks for the feedback.

    Will definitely look into the length of the switch as this should not have changed from the first version to now.

    Regarding the UI, when the button is pressed the light will change momentarily after the button is pressed. This was tested when we were prototyped the product with a few riders and they did not find it an issue, however they had not been able to compare it to previous versions. Everyone is different I guess?

    In reference to the starting sequence, to access the first default programme hold the button for a couple seconds then release. To start in the second, double click.

    We are constantly assessing our changes to develop the best product we can.

    Any feedback is great regarding the UI and functionality and as you know we take it seriously and make adjustments accordingly.

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    Cat, I pull a V2 and V3 and compared the wire length to the button and they were identical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Cat, thanks for the feedback.

    Will definitely look into the length of the switch as this should not have changed from the first version to now.

    Regarding the UI, when the button is pressed the light will change momentarily after the button is pressed. This was tested when we were prototyped the product with a few riders and they did not find it an issue, however they had not been able to compare it to previous versions. Everyone is different I guess?

    In reference to the starting sequence, to access the first default programme hold the button for a couple seconds then release. To start in the second, double click.


    We are constantly assessing our changes to develop the best product we can.

    Any feedback is great regarding the UI and functionality and as you know we take it seriously and make adjustments accordingly.

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    When I am standing next to the bike and working the button I don't seem to have so much of an issue with failed pushes. On the bike is a different matter as I am try to push the button (now) at a much harder angle. I think what is happening is that the button is now mounted directly to the handlebar and the handlebar is curved more than where I use to have it. When I push the button it rocks slightly. This could be the real problem. Once again, likely the issue is exacerbated by me trying to contact the button at a less than straight down angle. I might be able to firm up the mounting but I'm still going to have to really do a "stretch" with my thumb to try to hit the button when on the bike.

    Perhaps I just got one with a shorter wire. Things like this happen. Mine has a wire that is about 173mm long ( measured from where it exits the lamp to where it enters the button...not including the button ). My previous editions are about 203mm long. Like I said before, even those I could have wished for another cm or two.

    This isn't a problem on my bikes with shorter handle-bars. Both my ( flat-bar ) road set-up and my older cross-country mtn bike have no issue. The bike I ride most for mountain biking has riser bars and are much wider than standard flat handle-bars. I find the wider bars give me more control for the rough trails I sometimes ride.. These bars were standard equipment when I bought the bike.

    I need about another 3-4cm on the new version to be able to mount the button where I mounted the others. With the previous editions I could mount the button right over the spot where my shifter levers are. As such I never had a problem making a mode change while on the fly. Now it looks like that is going to change and that is something I don't think I will like.

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    I got the X2 V3 about a week ago and so far it's been great, I really like the size of the led housing.

    However, I could have bought about 5 China lights for the same price with double the amount of leds. What's the most cost effective in the long run I'm not sure about yet.

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    Update on wire length issue and Powering on issue

    I got playing around with the wire and stretched it slightly by warming and rubbing it gently. I think I managed to get a couple more mm out of it. Not much more but it was enough to get the button to center on my Rapidfire clamp.
    Now as long as it stays in place there I think I might be fine.

    The "powering on' issue still exist. I tried practicing with it for almost half an hour. The good news is I always get it to come on ( although it might take a couple tries ). Once on it works flawlessly. No problems changing modes or turning off. As I mentioned before there is small delay when changing modes but the more I play with it the less important that issue seems. Now that the button is more in reach it works better. ( **See Below )

    Tomorrow when I get off work I might try another ride so I can check out how the new position is going to work. Hopefully trails will be dryer.

    (**Update; Okay, it seems it you hold the button down for about three seconds ( and then let go ) the first programme comes on. Count to three and it seems to work most of the time. With the previous X2 you just had to press the switch and it came on.

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    Why not just supply Cat with a new light with a longer remote cord? Many people run wide bars, including me, and the length of the remote shouldn't be a limiting factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Why not just supply Cat with a new light with a longer remote cord? Many people run wide bars, including me, and the length of the remote shouldn't be a limiting factor.
    Perhaps a little longer would be ok but having extra wire can be a pain if you don't need it.
    I might consider a customization service to make the switch wire length what ever you want it. Recumbent's sometimes want to put the light by their feet. Double heat-shrink splices to keep them well sealed. Maybe $10?? If anyone is interested I'll look for some appropriate wire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Perhaps a little longer would be ok but having extra wire can be a pain if you don't need it.
    Easy enough to put a turn of wire around the bars to use extra length.

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    I'm missing the point of this thread. What is so spectacular about this light, which is more expensive than a Dinotte (made in USA) 1500 lumen light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuckjgc View Post
    I'm missing the point of this thread. What is so spectacular about this light, which is more expensive than a Dinotte (made in USA) 1500 lumen light?
    Descendants of Gandalf made it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuckjgc View Post
    I'm missing the point of this thread. What is so spectacular about this light, which is more expensive than a Dinotte (made in USA) 1500 lumen light?
    For one the Gloworm people have made themselves available in this forum. They developed a light and asked for our input and it seems some of it made it into the final product.

    This light is expensive but its a nice, well thought out package that is very powerful and versatile. It's mounting options are the best IMO. It's one of the few mtb lights that can be used for hiking and camping w/o being too bright and large.

    Gloworm also beat everyone except MagicShine to the market with the XML2.

    TBH I'm not even familiar with what Dionette has at the same price point. One thing I don't like about Dionette is the battery connector. I go Dionette and all of my batteries are useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    One thing I don't like about Dionette is the battery connector. I go Dionette and all of my batteries are useless.
    Agreed. Hear nothing but good things about dinotte but the battery connector is a deal breaker for me. But the dinotte 3xml and 400 daytime look sweet.

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    For a light made in China, it is very expensive indeed.

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    A lot of folks, like me, have Magicshine-style battery packs that work with various light heads. I will only buy lights that interface with those battery packs. If Dinotte used that connector and sold the light head separately, I'd likely pick up an XML-3. It is a good value.

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    Just read a review that mentioned one can buy the XML-3 light head separately. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCW View Post
    A lot of folks, like me, have Magicshine-style battery packs that work with various light heads. I will only buy lights that interface with those battery packs. If Dinotte used that connector and sold the light head separately, I'd likely pick up an XML-3. It is a good value.
    Yup, I'm in the same boat. Since a majority of the lights use 2S (2 in series) battery packs, I don't see any reason to have different connectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuckjgc View Post
    I'm missing the point of this thread. What is so spectacular about this light, which is more expensive than a Dinotte (made in USA) 1500 lumen light?
    The Point? The point is this is just a new product review. There are more expensive lights, lights about the same price and of course less expensive lights that are cheaper. The Gloworm attracts a lot of attention because it is at a medium price point and offers features not offered by very many light systems. Sadly they are not under $200 anymore but likely the price will drop as we approach Christmas.

    Ii is up to the reader to decide what kind of lamp he/she wishes to buy and what features they want in a lamp to mount to their bike or helmet.

    I've been using the Gloworm lights since their inception ( about two years ago ). Although I review different kind of lights my personal choice for the bars continues to be a Gloworm X2. I love having a lamp with small form factor on the bars. I love the mounting options. I LOVE remotes. I love that it's brighter than most 2 x XM-L lamps. Sure you can buy something less expensive. No one will argue that fact.

    Seems I now have the new version better dialed in. Jury is still out on that though. I can't wait to have a chance to try it on some dirt trails. I work nights so I have to wait till the weekend and hope the weather stays dry.

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    Received my X1-v2 and X2-v3 lightheads today - both appear to be excellent lights. I have owned all three of the X2 versions and have been pleased. The X1 really blows me away at how small this lighthead is and the throw it puts out. This has to be the closest thing to the perfect helmet light, and I have tried out plenty over the years.

    It will be hard to beat the beam quality in this small of a lighthead that the X2 and X1 offer. It is not always about the lumens / brightness a light puts out, but how well it distributes the beam pattern that can really make a difference. These lights definitely standout in that category plus have excellent mounting options.

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    Hi All

    I just thought I'd jump in here and give a bit of background into the manufacturing and development processes of Gloworm and why they are what they are.

    Gloworm Performance Products Ltd, is a NZ company and can be found on the NZ company register. The directors are Bruce (NZ) and Vag (Greece).

    Each Gloworm is designed and engineered in NZ by myself (Bruce) and two contracted NZ Engineers (Mechanical/Plastics and Electronics). We only use top of the line electronic components that we source through multiple locations.

    If you open a Gloworm and compare it's 'guts' to another light that originates from China you will notice the size difference of the components. The components within a Gloworm are all very small and the circuit board is custom printed to match the housing, this small size and customisation equals electronic efficiency (All Gloworm Lights exceed 93% effciency) and higher cost. We also only use named brands for electronic parts. You will also see in the X1 we have combined the LED and other electronic components onto the same circuit board, this process requires accurate engineering and low tolerances to ensure adequate heat sinking and steady operation.

    As we only produce in relatively small batches compared to larger companies (Nite Rider, Magicshine etc) and Chinese light manufacturers we do not get the price breaks that others can access. This is especially noticeable with li-ion battery prices.

    We only use high quality Panasonic battery cells, which are arguably the most expensive but highest quality on the market. This is compared to lower priced cells used by most chinese light manufacturers. Using higher quality cells with an approved charger equals peace of mind when you are charging your battery pack.

    The battery pack utilises a customised waterproof mold, that also includes a fuel gauge indicator - not common on most lights.

    The housings are all CNC machined. The non-circular designs (X2/XS) require the use of a 3-Axis CNC machine. This process alone is time intensive and costs significantly more than a light that has been manufactured using an extrusion process or been made on a lathe.

    The assembly process is completed by hand in our facility under the management of Vag (who most of you know). We source our components/parts from appx 25 different suppliers who are selected for their professional setup, management practices and of course quality of product. As the product develops we assess our suppliers and ensure we are getting the highest quality.

    One of the benefits of our assembly process is our ability to react to changes in the market, technology and customer demands. An example of this is our new mount that can be used with GoPro and our prompt use of XML-2 when they became commercially available.

    It must also be noted that we are using XML-2 U2 bin, where most others will be using the T6 bin due to its more frequent availability.

    So as you can see a lot goes into these products and the costs are definitely not low and comparable to other lights that come out of china. Also one must remember that some of the best bikes and componentry in the world originates from the east.

    Please feel free to fire back any questions you may have

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    Cat thanks for bringing up the Cord length issue. I'm going to measure my X2 V2 at home. I've always felt the cord was a bit short as I can't really get the remote far enough out on my bars. (I ride 750mm wide bars) This also plays into the length of the cord (after the Y split) that goes to the battery. I can just get the battery connected, and with the remote at it's farthest length - If my bars are spun far enough in one direction, it will want to pull the battery connection apart. I've always thought that's 'just the way it is' but now I question if the cord is simply too short in the first place. Without measuring I can say my setup would benefit from a slightly longer cord at both the remote and battery connector. Maybe just 10-15mm would be ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    Agreed. Hear nothing but good things about dinotte but the battery connector is a deal breaker for me. But the dinotte 3xml and 400 daytime look sweet.

    Has Dinotte changed their connector in the past few years? When I ran the original Magicshine and Dinotte 400R, all that needed was the shortening of the rim of the female connector with a razor knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    Has Dinotte changed their connector in the past few years? When I ran the original Magicshine and Dinotte 400R, all that needed was the shortening of the rim of the female connector with a razor knife.
    Unpacking the DiNotte XML3 and 400R (Quick Release) - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    Cat thanks for bringing up the Cord length issue. I'm going to measure my X2 V2 at home. I've always felt the cord was a bit short as I can't really get the remote far enough out on my bars. (I ride 750mm wide bars) This also plays into the length of the cord (after the Y split) that goes to the battery. I can just get the battery connected, and with the remote at it's farthest length - If my bars are spun far enough in one direction, it will want to pull the battery connection apart. I've always thought that's 'just the way it is' but now I question if the cord is simply too short in the first place. Without measuring I can say my setup would benefit from a slightly longer cord at both the remote and battery connector. Maybe just 10-15mm would be ideal.
    Thanks bad andy; Glad to hear I'm not the only one who has experienced the issue. If you check the original Gloworm X2 Thread I made mention of the remote length issue at post #237 That was back in early 2012. Gloworm than responded at that time and said the length would be 19cm. Turned out when they came they were a little longer ( ~ 20cm ). I might have mentioned it again once I got the first light but since it worked "as it was" I was content. I am surprised though that the remote cord on the new 2013 edition is only a little over 17cm (not including the button ).

    Jim from Action LED has contacted me about the current length issue and an offer was made to fix the problem. Since I've gotten it mounted a little closer now I might be okay with it as is. Fingers crossed.

    Now as to the Start up operation issue: It turns out it's official, the Gloworm operating instruction manual is in error. YOU DO NOT CLICK ONCE TO ACTIVATE THE FIRST MENU. INSTEAD YOU "PRESS AND HOLD THREE SECONDS". This was verified to me by Jim but of course by that time I had already figured it out. ( Although it did take some time... ) Now that I know how to turn it on I get it right every time.

    In the mean time I strongly suggest to the Gloworm people that they increase the length of the remote cord to at least 22cm. before too many of these go out. In the mean time folks that don't need the extra length ( for shorter bars ) shouldn't have a problem.

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    I found some time yesterday to do the first Light Distribution test of the X2v3 and plotted it here vs the v2. It show the change to be pretty much right on with the 25% increase claimed.

    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-gloworm-x2v2-vs-x2v3.png
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    Thanks for the information Bruce. You are clearly different than the typical China light, I can see why the cost is what it is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Thanks bad andy; Glad to hear I'm not the only one who has experienced the issue. If you check the original Gloworm X2 Thread I made mention of the remote length issue at post #237 That was back in early 2012. Gloworm than responded at that time and said the length would be 19cm. Turned out when they came they were a little longer ( ~ 20cm ). I might have mentioned it again once I got the first light but since it worked "as it was" I was content. I am surprised though that the remote cord on the new 2013 edition is only a little over 17cm (not including the button ).

    Jim from Action LED has contacted me about the current length issue and an offer was made to fix the problem. Since I've gotten it mounted a little closer now I might be okay with it as is. Fingers crossed.

    Now as to the Start up operation issue: It turns out it's official, the Gloworm operating instruction manual is in error. YOU DO NOT CLICK ONCE TO ACTIVATE THE FIRST MENU. INSTEAD YOU "PRESS AND HOLD THREE SECONDS". This was verified to me by Jim but of course by that time I had already figured it out. ( Although it did take some time... ) Now that I know how to turn it on I get it right every time.

    In the mean time I strongly suggest to the Gloworm people that they increase the length of the remote cord to at least 22cm. before too many of these go out. In the mean time folks that don't need the extra length ( for shorter bars ) shouldn't have a problem.
    CAT, I measured my cord. From light base to far edge of switch: 8 inches = 20.32 cm
    I strongly recommend your suggestion to increase the factory length to around 22cm - it would really help those of us riding typically wide bars these days.
    Can I also suggest the y-junction in the cable actually would work better if it were closer to the lighthead? When my lights are installed, it's kind of weird having the cable go from the Y-junction to the battery somewhere along the bars in between the stem and end of bars. It would be a cleaner setup, and less prone to disconnecting via edge-to-edge bar movements were it closer to the stem/lighthead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    FYI: Action LED now has the new Version 3 edition of the Gloworm X2 on their website. I'm in.. Can't wait to get my hands on the little gem. My expectations are very high. I sure hope the Gloworm people don't let me down. These aren't inexpensive.

    I have a question for Jim ( Action LED ) or anyone else who might know: I ordered the lamp head only. I thought I remember reading somewhere ( on MTBR ) that the new units were going to include the new ( solid alloy ) quick release/cam lock bar mounts. I know I'm getting a mount but not sure if it's the same O-ring mount or cam lock type mount?
    didn't you say i was a sad person because i don't like Chinese DX / Ebay lights ? this light isn't Chinese and you can buy four SolarStorm X2 instead of one of these ? What's wrong Cat ? are you feeling OK ?



    also isn't 1500 lumens "too much" ? didn't you say you only need 200 lumens and anybody who wants more has bad night vision ?


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    So here's my .02

    I've had numerous cheap Chinese lights. Probably 6 total. My buddies have them too so I'd say we have maybe 12 total. A couple have had light head issues but for the most part, they've been ok. The universal problem has been the poor batteries. All have consistently reduced in run time over a year to about 1/2. After several years they just don't work.

    This is all ok as you can buy new cheap batteries cheap, usually 20 bucks. No guarantee they will even work but most do for a while. The good w/ this system is you can keep upgrading every year to the newest LED at very cheap cost.

    On the other hand, I bought the Dinotte dual XML-3 when they first came out. I've started using them the last several weeks and again, they last forever and the batteries seem to have all the run time. They are lithium so of course when it gets cold they will reduce in run time but thankfully in the Bay Area I won't have to deal w/ anything under 40 degrees F most of Winter. I always talk the Dinotte's and they never fail. Maybe that's the difference in the 2 systems. I would never go out w/o the Dinotte's. Or Lupine's if I had those, etc, etc. You get the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    So here's my .02

    I've had numerous cheap Chinese lights. Probably 6 total. My buddies have them too so I'd say we have maybe 12 total. A couple have had light head issues but for the most part, they've been ok. The universal problem has been the poor batteries. All have consistently reduced in run time over a year to about 1/2. After several years they just don't work.

    This is all ok as you can buy new cheap batteries cheap, usually 20 bucks. No guarantee they will even work but most do for a while. The good w/ this system is you can keep upgrading every year to the newest LED at very cheap cost.

    On the other hand, I bought the Dinotte dual XML-3 when they first came out. I've started using them the last several weeks and again, they last forever and the batteries seem to have all the run time. They are lithium so of course when it gets cold they will reduce in run time but thankfully in the Bay Area I won't have to deal w/ anything under 40 degrees F most of Winter. I always talk the Dinotte's and they never fail. Maybe that's the difference in the 2 systems. I would never go out w/o the Dinotte's. Or Lupine's if I had those, etc, etc. You get the idea.
    i think it may not even be the batteries that are the problem but the charger. maybe both charger and batteries.

    thanks for the post !

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    Gloworm X2 ( XM-L2 ) (U2): Trail testing

    I took the new Gloworm X2 out tonight for a little spin. Trails were damp leaf covered and with a slight drizzle in the air. Not the ideal situation for testing a lamp but since it wasn't pouring down raining I went with it.

    Fortunately I was not having any problem changing modes. I still want a longer wire but I'm good for now. I occasionally still have a problem getting the lamp to come on the first time. I guess I can't count to three all the time the same way. What can I say. Most of the time I get it right. With practice I should get better at counting to three....ya think.

    I'm also having some problems getting it into the second menu on the first try. Really not a big deal as I always get it eventually but I wish it were more intuitive. The reason i say it's not such a big deal is because the original X2's were much more harder to change menu's. The new ones are much easier in comparison. I just wish it were more "Automatic".

    Well the lamp definitely puts out some light. Occasionally I would hit a small stretch of trail that was not covered by leaves and almost completely dry. When I hit those spots boy would the trail light up, even in the low mode. Definitely lights things up better than any other duel XM-L lamp I own. Need I say, I l love being able to set my own mode light levels. Both menus set to my own specifications worked like a charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I took the new Gloworm X2 out tonight for a little spin. Trails were damp leaf covered and with a slight drizzle in the air. Not the ideal situation for testing a lamp but since it wasn't pouring down raining I went with it.

    Fortunately I was not having any problem changing modes. I still want a longer wire but I'm good for now. I occasionally still have a problem getting the lamp to come on the first time. I guess I can't count to three all the time the same way. What can I say. Most of the time I get it right. With practice I should get better at counting to three....ya think.

    I'm also having some problems getting it into the second menu on the first try. Really not a big deal as I always get it eventually but I wish it were more intuitive. The reason i say it's not such a big deal is because the original X2's were much more harder to change menu's. The new ones are much easier in comparison. I just wish it were more "Automatic".

    Well the lamp definitely puts out some light. Occasionally I would hit a small stretch of trail that was not covered by leaves and almost completely dry. When I hit those spots boy would the trail light up, even in the low mode. Definitely lights things up better than any other duel XM-L lamp I own. Need I say, I l love being able to set my own mode light levels. Both menus set to my own specifications worked like a charm.
    are you saying you upgraded a 1200 lumen light to a 1500 lumen one ? what happened to your original X2 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    are you saying you upgraded a 1200 lumen light to a 1500 lumen one ? what happened to your original X2 ?
    yes, I still have it.

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    I have 1 ride on my x2 v3 and I love it so far. I was really impressed with the entire package. The light is awesome and all the details are spot on for my needs. I thought the UI functioned great on the stock "Trail Programme." I mounted the light to my helmet so the cord length wasn't an issue for me, but I could see how an additional 1 or 2 cm would help when mounting to the bar. I also agree that the junction which splits the power cord and the switch should be a little closer to the light head. Maybe they could offer the light with 2 different cord sizes, one for helmet mounting and weight weenies another with a slightly longer cord.

    All things considered this light is awesome and it's one of my favorite new pieces of gear. Great Job Bruce and Vag. I also really like how you guys sell through Action LED, I never hesitate to spend my money there.

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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-lights.jpg

    Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    ..Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.
    Nice, more than enough light coming off the bars no doubt about that.
    Since you have the X2 on the helmet I'm going to comment about that.

    IMO the new version of the X2 is not going to be as "helmet friendly" as the previous version. I say that because the new user interface makes turning the lamp on a bit more of a chore. When I use a helmet lamp I sometimes turn the lamp off unless I really need it for more technical riding. That said when it comes time to turn it on with the new version you will have to put one hand on the helmet, press the button and count about three seconds. THAT is not something always easy to do ( on the fly ) depending on what kind of trail you are on and what obstacles are in front of you.

    When mounted on the bars it's not an issue because the remote is next to your thumb and your hands never have to leave the bars. Nope, when I use a helmet lamp I need to be able to "reach up quickly" and have the lamp turn on so I can control the bike. With the previous version it wasn't an issue. The new UI changes that.
    Now if you leave the lamp "ON" but on a low level when not needed than the issue with powering on the lamp is not so much an issue.

    If there was something I would change with the new version it would definitely be with the new UI and how the lamp is turned on, regardless of menu choice. I need the issue of " Turning on the lamp", to be instantaneous. One touch and it needs to come on regardless of menu choice. If that means making it harder to select which menu you want I think I'd rather deal with that than dealing with a specific turn on procedure every time I want to turn the light on. Nope, give me "one touch" turn on regardless of menu and I'm happy. Gloworm people, I hope you're listening.

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    The only time I turn my helmet light off is when I'm stopped. I agree, the light should come on with one click. I think the only time I'll run into the issue you bring up is when I'm initially turning the lights on as the sun goes down, I can always stop if its a problem.

    I just checked and once the light is turned on then off, the light fires up into trail program with one click. I'm not sure how long it will stay like that though. I'm going to leave it off for 15 min and see what happens.

    **After 15 min off time the light fired up with one click into trail program.

    ***After messing with it some more it appears 1 firm "press" turns it back on while a click does not.

    ***I'm thinking if you turned your light on and off frequently it might be a pain.

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    Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.
    That's a sweet set-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    That's a sweet set-up.
    Thanks, I love it!

    I just finished my 2nd ride with the x2 and once again it was awesome. I don't have any issues with the UI on the trail.

    Here is the Strava link for anyone interested:

    Bike Ride Profile | 16miles near Redding | Times and Records | Strava

    Around mile 4 I saw a bear. It was big and it ran across the trail really fast. I only saw it for a second, my buddy was 20 yards behind me and he missed it. It was still light out at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    ....I just checked and once the light is turned on then off, the light fires up into trail program with one click. I'm not sure how long it will stay like that though. I'm going to leave it off for 15 min and see what happens.

    **After 15 min off time the light fired up with one click into trail program.

    ***After messing with it some more it appears 1 firm "press" turns it back on while a click does not.

    ***I'm thinking if you turned your light on and off frequently it might be a pain.
    Yes, yes...glad you posted this. I noticed the same thing when I was messing with it yesterday. Basically this is what I saw: When you start up in the Commuter Programme it takes two quick pushes, no problem. BUT...if you try to switch back to the Trail Programme by holding it three seconds; the Commuter Prog. comes back up! When I try it again, same thing happens. Next I tried to just use a single quick press and surprisingly THAT WORKED! Maybe when the light has been sitting for some time it needs the 3 sec start up for the Trail programme. This might be a safety feature not mentioned in the instructions.

    Once the lights has been working a while a single quick press seems to bring up the trail program BUT if you don't do the single press "just right", it doesn't work. The same with the Commuter program, if you don't get the double click just right it won't come on ( or you get the Trail Programme instead )

    Anyway you look at it this is not the ideal situation. I'll likely keep mine because I use it on the bars where it is not so much of an issue. When I turn mine off I'm usually stopped anyway. So turning it on is not a big deal. Still, little things like this tend to annoy me. I've been practicing with it for a while and every once in a while it might take two or three attempts to get the menu I want to come on.

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    Gloworm X2 v3: Surprisingly Brighter

    Well after talking about the bad stuff for a while now for some good news. I was screwing around with some of my other lights and decided to do some quick lux comparisons with some of my other lights. First up was the Quad XM-L (T-6) lamp that I got from D/X. Previously I thought this was one of my brighter lamps. Well, short story shorter, the X2 v3 beats it hands down. No question about it. Next I tried my Chinese Tri-clone; Nope, not even close. The new X2 is shooting um' down like tin ducks in a shooting gallery

    Still, this was just an impromptu lux test. No way to compare the total lumen output of each of the lamps but if the lux read-out is any indication the new X2 is rocking the Chinese boat some kind'a hard. ( comparison done at about 1.5 meter )

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    I don't have quad-XML one, but all my 3*LED, 5*LED and 7*LED lights were significantly underpowered in the default state - so, it's really fine for X2 not to follow that "tradition". Most of ordinary users aren't going to mod the lights anyway, so having ready-to-use model is quite handy for them.

    As for measurement, de-facto "standard" is to do it at 1 meter distance. To compare overall light distribution with luxmeter only, I use my "homemade" method of several measurements at different angle from the axis: it gives relatively useful information about beam's brightness...



    Absolute values (Lux):


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    I'm about to get back into the regular night riding game and it looks as though the X2 V3 is my favourite so far.

    It's reassuring to read Bruce's comments about the quality of the components going into the lights, after all those tempting $50 chinese lights have passed before my eyes on the web, I just kept thinking I'd be out of light in the middle of nowhere or looking for a replacement battery before you know it.

    I had a lupine nightmare that lasted for 6 years before the battery died and foolishly replaced it with a Nukeproof reactor which hasn't really given me much service life before battery death, nor was the beam pattern as good.

    My Dinnote 200L helmet light has served me well for several years as well and only just succumbed to a connector failure which needs fixing

    The gloworm has all those things i loved about the nightmare, programmable, remote, good build quality, yet costs significantly less than a Piko 7.

    Just gotta see if I can find one in Perth to "feel the merchandise"
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    It looks as though the v3 won't be in Oz for another 2-3 months according to the shop I was in yesterday! This strikes me as odd considering that it's already in the USA and Nz is a bit closer to us here....Is it worth hanging on for one or just going for a v2 at a good price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmoset View Post
    It looks as though the v3 won't be in Oz for another 2-3 months according to the shop I was in yesterday! This strikes me as odd considering that it's already in the USA and Nz is a bit closer to us here....Is it worth hanging on for one or just going for a v2 at a good price?
    If you really like the idea of being able to program your own mode output levels and you can afford the extra money I think it would be worth waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmoset View Post
    It looks as though the v3 won't be in Oz for another 2-3 months according to the shop I was in yesterday! This strikes me as odd considering that it's already in the USA and Nz is a bit closer to us here....Is it worth hanging on for one or just going for a v2 at a good price?
    Or you could just buy one from here now:Action-LED-Lights — GLOWORM X2 v3 1500 lumen Bike Light

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    Cheers guys,not sure what to make of it all now! On a light output point of view, is the jump worth it from v2 to v3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmoset View Post
    Cheers guys,not sure what to make of it all now! On a light output point of view, is the jump worth it from v2 to v3?
    Not that I'm hawking for Gloworm but the ~ 300 lumen increase OTF is not only measurable but noticeable. It will not however dynamically change how well you can ride unless you have previously been using something with considerable less output.

    If you're living down under your summer riding season is approaching fast. Whatever you buy you should plan for two lights, one for the bar ( Gloworm ) and one for the helmet. You might want to take a good look at the lamps offered by Xeccon Revolution which is very close to your neck of the woods. They offer some decent lamps/batteries that should be able to reach you really quick. On the other hand if you are looking for a local vendor where you can demo before buying that would be a different issue.

    If that's the case you might want to consider buying some, "Just get me by for the moment" Chinese lamps. While you still might not be able to eyeball the lamps before buying at least you can get a good idea how they work by reading this forum. You should be able to buy a couple cheap Chinese lamps ( with batteries ) for about a $100 AUD. As close as you are to China you should get those real quick and have you riding in no time. Later ( when/if ) you decide to upgrade you will have some spare lamps ( for friends to borrow ) or back-ups when needed. Many people here on this forum are using the cheap Chinese lamps. While they have their pro's and con's they usually work good enough to provide the novice/sport rider with enough light to get some really nice night rides in.

    Time to stop riding the fence. Roll the dice and take some chances so you can enjoy the night. Anyway, don't wait long. The Christmas rush is fast approaching and after that the Chinese New year holiday. In a couple weeks the vendors will run out of the popular items and start taking back orders. Now is the time to place orders if you want your stuff before Christmas.

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    Thanks cat-man-do , I jumped and bought the v2 just a few hours ago, the price was too good to turn down. They blow away the previous light, a nukeproof reactor, which was always a bit of a disappointment compared to the lupine nightmare I'd run prior to it.

    It's nice to have a light that's clearly had a lot of though put into it, I've just gotta see if I can alter my lupine peppi(?) switch holder to secure the switch on the bars more securely.

    I'll use the gloworm on the bars with my dinotte on the helmet, but that may be like a candle compared to the X2!
    If this is an issue I can always stick the x2 on the helmet and either run it alone or buy a v3 to go with it

    Thanks again

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    I would recommend the gloworm X1 for your helmet. I run the X2 V3 on the bar and the X1 V2 on my helmet and really like it. The X1 is amazingly small and lightweight and the throw is excellent.

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    I own an X2 version 3. I really like the build quality and the amount of light. However, the system feels extremely slow, and I can never get to the light mode I want in the first try. Last time I went for a night ride I was racing some of the guys in my local club. I couldn't get the light to go into the 1500 lumen mode, so I was stuck with the low setting. Annoying. It feels like a bug in the assembler code, or a slow processor (bad code?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Nice, more than enough light coming off the bars no doubt about that.
    Since you have the X2 on the helmet I'm going to comment about that.

    IMO the new version of the X2 is not going to be as "helmet friendly" as the previous version. I say that because the new user interface makes turning the lamp on a bit more of a chore. When I use a helmet lamp I sometimes turn the lamp off unless I really need it for more technical riding. That said when it comes time to turn it on with the new version you will have to put one hand on the helmet, press the button and count about three seconds. THAT is not something always easy to do ( on the fly ) depending on what kind of trail you are on and what obstacles are in front of you.
    Catman, I think the reason for the new ON sequence is that it prevents accidentally turning on the light when transporting it in a bag or something. More and more manufacturers are doing this and I think it's a good thing. Nothing like getting to your destination and finding your battery drained.

    Also, you seem to be pretty annoyed by the 3 second requirement to turn the light on. Why don't you just depress the button until the light clicks on and then let go instead of trying to count and anticipate when the light will turn on? Seems a lot simpler and less prone to error or frustration. Just hold and let go when you see the beam appear.

    But this goes to show you cannot never satisfy everyone and an argument can always be made for or against something.

    As for your issue with turning the light on and off during rides, I guess that's an artifact of days when batteries just didn't have enough juice (to a lesser degree, overheating is also an issue) and people turned their lights of to conserve juice. These days I never turn my light off if I need or want to stop for whatever reason. I just turn it to LOW which prevents overheating and draining the battery. I also run on low when going slow at any time. I find this a lot easier than having to deal with turning the light on and off.

    Again, not telling you what to do, but I think there are pretty easy solutions to the things that seem to annoy you.

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    Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.
    Quick question..On your 2 Olympias on the bar are you running each on its own battery or using a Y cable to one battery? I am looking to do the same on my Duo's for the bar.

    If using one battery, what capacity is it and what are your approx run time? Any other input on running this configuration would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggdog View Post
    Quick question..On your 2 Olympias on the bar are you running each on its own battery or using a Y cable to one battery? I am looking to do the same on my Duo's for the bar.

    If using one battery, what capacity is it and what are your approx run time? Any other input on running this configuration would be appreciated.
    I have a 6 cell MS battery (MJ-6038) with a Y cable and I also have 2 of the high capacity MS 4 cells (Mj-6030H) for longer rides. If I'm going on a really long night ride I'll just run one Olympia. With the 6 cell I usually run for about 45 min on medium then 30-40 min on high (short rides only).

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_marsbar View Post
    I own an X2 version 3. I really like the build quality and the amount of light. However, the system feels extremely slow, and I can never get to the light mode I want in the first try. Last time I went for a night ride I was racing some of the guys in my local club. I couldn't get the light to go into the 1500 lumen mode, so I was stuck with the low setting. Annoying. It feels like a bug in the assembler code, or a slow processor (bad code?).
    You should contact the supplier of your light and they will get this resolved for you.

    Catman - following customer feedback Gloworm have now changed the UI for the latest batch of the X2 v3 to a single click for on in Trail mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crgmoto View Post
    You should contact the supplier of your light and they will get this resolved for you.

    Catman - following customer feedback Gloworm have now changed the UI for the latest batch of the X2 v3 to a single click for on in Trail mode.
    Well this is news to me! I hope this is something good but does leave the question, "How is the second race menu brought up"?

    More important, did they increase the length of the remote cable?

    @ Jim from ActionLED; Can you confirm any of this change?

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    Hi Cat

    We did do a review and have adjusted the programming to enable a single click to enter the trail programme, while we have maintained a double click to enter the commuter mode.

    Due to manufacturing constraints we have not lengthened the remote switch however it is on the list.

    As always we are always refining our products and will react as fast as we can with changes to improve customer experience.

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    I've now had a set of Gloworms for about 3 weeks and I figured it was time to give my impressions.

    I have an X1v2 and X2v3. The X1 is on the helmet with the two cell battery and the X2 is on the bars with a 4 cell. The two lights certainly compliment each other with beam pattern and intensity.

    I reprogrammed the light settings to get roughly matching run times between the lights, so High=2.25-2.5hrs runtime, Med=4.5-5hrs runtime, and Low=8.5-9hrs runtime. The biggest change to the default settings was the med setting on the X1, the others were just small tweaks if needed at all.

    Light color is best described as white. The two lights have the same temperature light so the beams blend perfectly. The optics of the X1 definitely focus the light and give it more throw (I'm using the standard spot lense). If I swing the X1 beam across the area lit up by the X2, it is clear the spot is more "intense" then the flood pattern of the X2. It doesn't overwhelm it at all, but the 950 lumens "looks" brighter then the 1500 out of the X2. This is a compliment for the X1 more than a complaint about the X2.

    In practice, I have found that I do most of my climbing and slower flat riding with the lights in the dim setting (ultra low, 48hrs runtime). I bump it up to low if speeding up on flat ground. Downhill I haven't actually needed to run them on high. Medium has plenty of light on trails I know and I don't find myself wanting more. I still bump it up to high for really high speed sections, or if my remaining battery life is excessive for the amount of riding I have left to do. I consider it a luxury, though, and not really needed. Around town I use a mix of low and dim.

    Of the special modes, I leave the standard program default with the dim setting, but changed the "commute" program so that the special mode is "strobe" rather than "flash". I feel the flash setting is too bright around traffic, and I don't ride on roads much anyway.

    I first mounted the 2 cell battery on the back of my helmet, but I couldn't get it "solid" enough for my tastes. It would flop around a little, which is something that bothers me with any device, so I added the extension cord and moved it to the backpack. I run the plug under one of the loops on my shoulder so I can easily reach/find it when I need to disconnect. The weight of the battery on the helmet was never really an issue for me, and the loose mounting is more due to the shape of the helmet and location of the vents I mounted to. The 4 cell for the bar light just goes in my water bottle holder, which allows me to solidly mount it with no swinging back and forth or movement.

    I'm very happy so far and look forward to night rides whenever possible!

    I do have two questions, though.

    First, the light on the batteries sometimes flashes while charging, and sometimes stay solid. At first I thought that it would change from flashing to solid as each "level" was filled, but I get mixed results from unplugging and plugging it back in (will go from flashing to solid, or vice versa). It's not a problem, but I'm just curious what the difference between flashing and solid is when it is charging?

    The second is about mounting orientation. I prefer the button on the left side of the handlebar. It's a carryover from riding motorcycles where I'm much more used to/comfortable taking my left hand off the bars than my right. I can reach the button on the bars w/o removing my hand, but I need to remove it to adjust the helmet light so I keep them on the same side. Mounting the switch on the left side means the quick release needs to go on the right side of the stem, effectively mounting the light "upside down". Is there any possible concern to having the light upside down from a heat dissipation, vibration, etc... standpoint?

    Again, great product and I'm very satisfied. I second (third, fourth?) the suggestion to lengthen the button cord. I would also love to see a slicker mount for the switch on the bars. I snapped one of the rubber band mounts attempting to bend it 90 degrees so I could stick to the switch to it. I now plan on grinding it down as flat a possible and throwing some gloss black paint on it so the adhesive will stick. If this is successful I'll post up some pictures.

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    Fleezus,

    In answer to your 2 questions;
    For the first, it's my understanding that the battery flashes while charging and turns solid when fully charged. I'm running a couple through a charge cycle to confirm.
    For the second, right side up or upside down makes no difference. You can mount it on the top of the bar, on the bottom or straight out. On the right or left.
    On cord length, I agree a little longer would be good but also, the Y needs to be reversed. The light is usually mounted at the center of the bar and the battery on the stem or frame at the center of the bike. The battery lead needs to come back towards the center rather than out towards the switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    ...the Y needs to be reversed. The light is usually mounted at the center of the bar and the battery on the stem or frame at the center of the bike. The battery lead needs to come back towards the center rather than out towards the switch.
    ^^ That would make a lot more sense ^^

    If these suggested changes make it to production, and a nice discount/sale comes along ... I'm ready to jump in 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    ...

    For the first, it's my understanding that the battery flashes while charging and turns solid when fully charged. I'm running a couple through a charge cycle to confirm.

    ...

    On cord length, I agree a little longer would be good but also, the Y needs to be reversed. The light is usually mounted at the center of the bar and the battery on the stem or frame at the center of the bike. The battery lead needs to come back towards the center rather than out towards the switch.
    This is what I thought, too, when I first got the light. In practice I've had it do both ways and I just use the light on the charger as the indicator of whether it's done charging or not. What I meant about unplugging it and plugging it back in is that it will be flashing 80%, and after re-attaching it the light will be solid 80%. In either case it finishes charging just fine and the light on the charger will go from red to green. Again, not a problem at all. Just something I noticed and was curious about. Both batteries do it.

    Thank you for the quick responses and your great customer service. ActionLED kicks ass!
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    How's the thermal "capacity" of the x2 vs. the Duo? I recently purchased the duo and like it except for it dropping to low due to over heating, even though it's winter here and I'm moving on the bike. Can the x2 tolerate running in high for an extended period with ambient temps in the 60s or above, while moving at the slower speeds you encounter on technical trails? Ex avg 5 or 6 mph?

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    I've never had an X2 power down due to heat whilst riding, it will if you are stationary for any length of time but not if there is airflow over the light.

    The fins on the X2 give it a very large surface area to dissipate heat. The X2 is a larger/heavier unit than the Duo which is of benefit in 2 ways - increased surface area and more metal to act as a heat sink to draw heat away from the emitters.

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    One difference between the X2 and Duo is the way they handle overheating. If you put both lights on high in still air and let them heat up, when the Duo reaches a dangerous temperature, it cycles down to low until it has time to cool and then powers back up.
    The X2 (I tested a v3) powers down gradually until the temperature stops rising. It is so slow that you have a hard time noticing that it's changing but it starts right away. It will then reach an equilibrium temperature and vary slightly up and down from there. If you then start moving or put a fan on the light it starts brightening until it reaches a new equilibrium.
    Here a plot of brightness over about 8 1/2 minutes in still air @ 64 degreesF

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    Gloworm X2 upgrade

    Gloworm has just release a minor upgrade to the X2 which now shares optics with the XS. (We'll call it v3.1 to differentiate it.) The optics are a little deeper allowing the light to be better focused and more efficiently reflected. There looks to be about a 10% increase in light output for the X2 with this change. Francios has the new version and I am anxious to see how his testing compares to mine.

    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-x2v3.0vs3.0.jpg

    Unfortunately do to their larger size they cannot be fitted into the older version. To accommodate the housing depth (front to back) has been increased by about 3mm.

    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-compare-optics.jpg

    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope and leave their competition one step farther behind.

    These v3.1 lights are now in stock and shipping as of the first of the week.
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    ^ and that's why after acquiring an X1, my next two lights will be Gloworms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post

    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope and leave their competition one step farther behind.

    These v3.1 lights are now in stock and shipping as of the first of the week.
    A nice improvement and I guess there always will be improvements, but I'm sure a lot of people who already bought the X2 v3 or earlier XS without the modifications might be annoyed at getting what would perceived to be an 'inferior' version now.

    I for one am glad I held off but now might wait even longer if indeed I pull the trigger. I know these are good products, but the prices have jumped a whole lot and IMO not so competitively priced anymore.

    Were these changes made my Action-LED or Gloworm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbean View Post
    A nice improvement and I guess there always will be improvements, but I'm sure a lot of people who already bought the X2 v3 or earlier XS without the modifications might be annoyed at getting what would perceived to be an 'inferior' version now.

    I for one am glad I held off but now might wait even longer if indeed I pull the trigger. I know these are good products, but the prices have jumped a whole lot and IMO not so competitively priced anymore.

    Were these changes made my Action-LED or Gloworm?
    Of course the changes were made by Gloworm (Action is a retailer who is supplied lights by our USA distributor - but he does a fantastic job and we receive a lot of great feedback from Jim). We have received a lot of feedback regarding the performance of our products and as such will continually improve. If any changes are going to be dramatic we will plan to release the product once the previous version has almost been sold out.

    We deemed this type of improvement as a refinement rather than an upgrade, it was also part of the plan to make more efficient our manufacturing process with the investment in our own custom optic that fit both the XS and X2.

    Happy to receive feedback as it is what promotes our products to be the best they can.

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    Blackbean,

    Bruce can correct me if I'm wrong but the XS has had these new optics since day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Blackbean,

    Bruce can correct me if I'm wrong but the XS has had these new optics since day one.
    Jim, that is correct. We designed the XS platform around the new optics.
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    While I can't help but be a little disappointed that I'm missing out on the new optics with my recently purchased X2v3, I fully encourage the active development and quick updates that Gloworm does.

    It's really funny how the psychological game works in our heads. Take something that we are completely satisfied with, dangle something incrementally better in front of us, and suddenly the previous item isn't adequate anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleezus View Post
    While I can't help but be a little disappointed that I'm missing out on the new optics with my recently purchased X2v3, I fully encourage the active development and quick updates that Gloworm does.

    It's really funny how the psychological game works in our heads. Take something that we are completely satisfied with, dangle something incrementally better in front of us, and suddenly the previous item isn't adequate anymore.
    Well said. That is so true. And that's why I resisted the urge just to jump to the X2 v3 or the XS. I will always like an improved light but am trying to not just jump the gun. That being said, I think I will keep my X2 v2 and just use it as a dedicated spot if I buy a new light. Hopefully Francois will complete the reviews on the new Gloworm line up soon.

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    [QUOTE=Action LED Lights;
    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope
    .[/QUOTE]

    This is why I've decided to give Gloworm my business and buy this light. I've got one question before I order. Jim, I don't see where I can order an extra set of optics. I want to try different combinations and I'd like to order them with the light. Do you have them in stock yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    This is why I've decided to give Gloworm my business and buy this light. I've got one question before I order. Jim, I don't see where I can order an extra set of optics. I want to try different combinations and I'd like to order them with the light. Do you have them in stock yet?
    Mole
    Now listed: XS Spot Optic
    However, spare optics are included with the XS. For the newer X2 they are extra.
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    I only managed to get out once since I got the X2V3.1 but it appears like I got just what I was looking for. I took my duo out with the Gloworm and the results were: similar beam width and brightness but the Gloworm had A LOT MORE THROW. It's like they took the extra power and just added to the reach of the beam, not brighter in the foreground just a nice smooth even beam, perfect for my eyes. It also appears that the X2V3.1 runs cooler too. I ran both lights on high for a little less than a mile at about 5 mph - Gloworm warm to the touch and the due was hot. I also ran them for a couple of minutes with no airflow when I got home and the Gloworm cooled down much quicker so I think the X2V3.1 is going to be a cooler running light. I haven't tried switching to the spot/spot optic combo yet or even tried it on my helmet but I'm pleased so far.

    One question for Jim @ ActionLEDlights. I noticed you mentioned in the XS thread that the wide angle lens had some issues and that you'd recommend running all spot optics on the XS which shares optics with the X2V3.1. I running the stock wide/spot and was planning on testing that for a while but will change right away if the spot/spot combo is better in every way. Thanks for the great service! What's your opinion?
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    Mole,

    Here's the beam pattern plot for the X2v3.1 with each lens combo.
    The results are as expected with the wide angle lens only reducing the amount of light. You'll have to wait a little while to get a spot lens as we're sold out at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Gloworm has just release a minor upgrade to the X2 which now shares optics with the XS. (We'll call it v3.1 to differentiate it.) The optics are a little deeper allowing the light to be better focused and more efficiently reflected. There looks to be about a 10% increase in light output for the X2 with this change. Francios has the new version and I am anxious to see how his testing compares to mine.

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    Unfortunately do to their larger size they cannot be fitted into the older version. To accommodate the housing depth (front to back) has been increased by about 3mm.

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    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope and leave their competition one step farther behind.

    These v3.1 lights are now in stock and shipping as of the first of the week.
    Okay, now I'm a little confused. When I bought the X2 (v3) it was hyped with the New emitter ( XM-L2 "U2" ), new programming and new optics. As far as I knew I was getting "new optics" when I purchased the X2 (v3).

    If you look at the original Gloworm thread ( see post #1150 posted on 9/23/13 ) is says this;

    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey all, passing through Yosemite National Park as I write this......the new optics are appx 10% brighter regardless of the emitter, well actually we tested them with the previous emitters. So all up increase is including optics and new emitters.

    Unfortunately the new optics a not backwards compatible, to get an increased output we needed to lengthen the optics by 1.2mm and play around with the interior design also.

    The X2 will be powered using a 5800 mAhr 4 cell battery. The XS will also be powered by a 4 cell battery.........a 6800mAhr battery, using new 3400 Panasonic cells.

    Additionally we are using the XM-L2 U2 LED....The brightest bin available.

    Cheers

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    Now when I got mine I assumed the optics for the (v3) were of "new design" because of this conversation. To me they looked different but I didn't take the front of the lamp off to confirm that the optics were indeed "new design".

    Any comment before I investigate further and decide to voice more on what I think about this issue? ( *Note, add to this I see no reference on the official Gloworm New Zealand site of there being a "3.1" version. I realize that some improvements were made to the programming from the original "v3" that I assume were done to eliminate the issues I encountered when I first got mine. That said as far as I know nothing yet was done to change the remote ( wire ) length. Now I am reading that the one I bought ( X2 (v3) ) "doesn't" have the new optics......is this true?
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    Hey Cat,
    Although I don't know for sure, I'm guessing that since there is a chart on the action website showing a performance advantage for the 3.1 vs. the 3 version and they have the same emitters that there must have been an optic upgrade between the two. I do know that I don't have any of the UI problems that you experienced. On my 3.1 one push on the remote button turns the light on, and each additional push changes the intensity level, no lag, no hickups, works great.
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    I have to try like 4-5 times with the single push to get my x2 v3 to turn on. For now its not a big problem with it being on handlebar but when I get the XS tomorrow the X2 v3 is going up on the helmet. It's going to be a huge PITA if I have to have one hand off the bars for 20 seconds as I keep trying to get my helmet light to turn on. The one thing I notice it I can always get it to switch on in commuter mode with the quick double tap but the single press is just frustrating. I'm considering adjusting the commuter mode to suit my trail needs since it switches on every time first time but it sucks ill only have two setting to work with

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