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    Quote Originally Posted by mb323323 View Post
    So here's my .02

    I've had numerous cheap Chinese lights. Probably 6 total. My buddies have them too so I'd say we have maybe 12 total. A couple have had light head issues but for the most part, they've been ok. The universal problem has been the poor batteries. All have consistently reduced in run time over a year to about 1/2. After several years they just don't work.

    This is all ok as you can buy new cheap batteries cheap, usually 20 bucks. No guarantee they will even work but most do for a while. The good w/ this system is you can keep upgrading every year to the newest LED at very cheap cost.

    On the other hand, I bought the Dinotte dual XML-3 when they first came out. I've started using them the last several weeks and again, they last forever and the batteries seem to have all the run time. They are lithium so of course when it gets cold they will reduce in run time but thankfully in the Bay Area I won't have to deal w/ anything under 40 degrees F most of Winter. I always talk the Dinotte's and they never fail. Maybe that's the difference in the 2 systems. I would never go out w/o the Dinotte's. Or Lupine's if I had those, etc, etc. You get the idea.
    i think it may not even be the batteries that are the problem but the charger. maybe both charger and batteries.

    thanks for the post !

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    Gloworm X2 ( XM-L2 ) (U2): Trail testing

    I took the new Gloworm X2 out tonight for a little spin. Trails were damp leaf covered and with a slight drizzle in the air. Not the ideal situation for testing a lamp but since it wasn't pouring down raining I went with it.

    Fortunately I was not having any problem changing modes. I still want a longer wire but I'm good for now. I occasionally still have a problem getting the lamp to come on the first time. I guess I can't count to three all the time the same way. What can I say. Most of the time I get it right. With practice I should get better at counting to three....ya think.

    I'm also having some problems getting it into the second menu on the first try. Really not a big deal as I always get it eventually but I wish it were more intuitive. The reason i say it's not such a big deal is because the original X2's were much more harder to change menu's. The new ones are much easier in comparison. I just wish it were more "Automatic".

    Well the lamp definitely puts out some light. Occasionally I would hit a small stretch of trail that was not covered by leaves and almost completely dry. When I hit those spots boy would the trail light up, even in the low mode. Definitely lights things up better than any other duel XM-L lamp I own. Need I say, I l love being able to set my own mode light levels. Both menus set to my own specifications worked like a charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I took the new Gloworm X2 out tonight for a little spin. Trails were damp leaf covered and with a slight drizzle in the air. Not the ideal situation for testing a lamp but since it wasn't pouring down raining I went with it.

    Fortunately I was not having any problem changing modes. I still want a longer wire but I'm good for now. I occasionally still have a problem getting the lamp to come on the first time. I guess I can't count to three all the time the same way. What can I say. Most of the time I get it right. With practice I should get better at counting to three....ya think.

    I'm also having some problems getting it into the second menu on the first try. Really not a big deal as I always get it eventually but I wish it were more intuitive. The reason i say it's not such a big deal is because the original X2's were much more harder to change menu's. The new ones are much easier in comparison. I just wish it were more "Automatic".

    Well the lamp definitely puts out some light. Occasionally I would hit a small stretch of trail that was not covered by leaves and almost completely dry. When I hit those spots boy would the trail light up, even in the low mode. Definitely lights things up better than any other duel XM-L lamp I own. Need I say, I l love being able to set my own mode light levels. Both menus set to my own specifications worked like a charm.
    are you saying you upgraded a 1200 lumen light to a 1500 lumen one ? what happened to your original X2 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by androgen View Post
    are you saying you upgraded a 1200 lumen light to a 1500 lumen one ? what happened to your original X2 ?
    yes, I still have it.

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    I have 1 ride on my x2 v3 and I love it so far. I was really impressed with the entire package. The light is awesome and all the details are spot on for my needs. I thought the UI functioned great on the stock "Trail Programme." I mounted the light to my helmet so the cord length wasn't an issue for me, but I could see how an additional 1 or 2 cm would help when mounting to the bar. I also agree that the junction which splits the power cord and the switch should be a little closer to the light head. Maybe they could offer the light with 2 different cord sizes, one for helmet mounting and weight weenies another with a slightly longer cord.

    All things considered this light is awesome and it's one of my favorite new pieces of gear. Great Job Bruce and Vag. I also really like how you guys sell through Action LED, I never hesitate to spend my money there.

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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-lights.jpg

    Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    ..Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.
    Nice, more than enough light coming off the bars no doubt about that.
    Since you have the X2 on the helmet I'm going to comment about that.

    IMO the new version of the X2 is not going to be as "helmet friendly" as the previous version. I say that because the new user interface makes turning the lamp on a bit more of a chore. When I use a helmet lamp I sometimes turn the lamp off unless I really need it for more technical riding. That said when it comes time to turn it on with the new version you will have to put one hand on the helmet, press the button and count about three seconds. THAT is not something always easy to do ( on the fly ) depending on what kind of trail you are on and what obstacles are in front of you.

    When mounted on the bars it's not an issue because the remote is next to your thumb and your hands never have to leave the bars. Nope, when I use a helmet lamp I need to be able to "reach up quickly" and have the lamp turn on so I can control the bike. With the previous version it wasn't an issue. The new UI changes that.
    Now if you leave the lamp "ON" but on a low level when not needed than the issue with powering on the lamp is not so much an issue.

    If there was something I would change with the new version it would definitely be with the new UI and how the lamp is turned on, regardless of menu choice. I need the issue of " Turning on the lamp", to be instantaneous. One touch and it needs to come on regardless of menu choice. If that means making it harder to select which menu you want I think I'd rather deal with that than dealing with a specific turn on procedure every time I want to turn the light on. Nope, give me "one touch" turn on regardless of menu and I'm happy. Gloworm people, I hope you're listening.

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    The only time I turn my helmet light off is when I'm stopped. I agree, the light should come on with one click. I think the only time I'll run into the issue you bring up is when I'm initially turning the lights on as the sun goes down, I can always stop if its a problem.

    I just checked and once the light is turned on then off, the light fires up into trail program with one click. I'm not sure how long it will stay like that though. I'm going to leave it off for 15 min and see what happens.

    **After 15 min off time the light fired up with one click into trail program.

    ***After messing with it some more it appears 1 firm "press" turns it back on while a click does not.

    ***I'm thinking if you turned your light on and off frequently it might be a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
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    Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.
    That's a sweet set-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharddog03 View Post
    That's a sweet set-up.
    Thanks, I love it!

    I just finished my 2nd ride with the x2 and once again it was awesome. I don't have any issues with the UI on the trail.

    Here is the Strava link for anyone interested:

    Bike Ride Profile | 16miles near Redding | Times and Records | Strava

    Around mile 4 I saw a bear. It was big and it ran across the trail really fast. I only saw it for a second, my buddy was 20 yards behind me and he missed it. It was still light out at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
    ....I just checked and once the light is turned on then off, the light fires up into trail program with one click. I'm not sure how long it will stay like that though. I'm going to leave it off for 15 min and see what happens.

    **After 15 min off time the light fired up with one click into trail program.

    ***After messing with it some more it appears 1 firm "press" turns it back on while a click does not.

    ***I'm thinking if you turned your light on and off frequently it might be a pain.
    Yes, yes...glad you posted this. I noticed the same thing when I was messing with it yesterday. Basically this is what I saw: When you start up in the Commuter Programme it takes two quick pushes, no problem. BUT...if you try to switch back to the Trail Programme by holding it three seconds; the Commuter Prog. comes back up! When I try it again, same thing happens. Next I tried to just use a single quick press and surprisingly THAT WORKED! Maybe when the light has been sitting for some time it needs the 3 sec start up for the Trail programme. This might be a safety feature not mentioned in the instructions.

    Once the lights has been working a while a single quick press seems to bring up the trail program BUT if you don't do the single press "just right", it doesn't work. The same with the Commuter program, if you don't get the double click just right it won't come on ( or you get the Trail Programme instead )

    Anyway you look at it this is not the ideal situation. I'll likely keep mine because I use it on the bars where it is not so much of an issue. When I turn mine off I'm usually stopped anyway. So turning it on is not a big deal. Still, little things like this tend to annoy me. I've been practicing with it for a while and every once in a while it might take two or three attempts to get the menu I want to come on.

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    Gloworm X2 v3: Surprisingly Brighter

    Well after talking about the bad stuff for a while now for some good news. I was screwing around with some of my other lights and decided to do some quick lux comparisons with some of my other lights. First up was the Quad XM-L (T-6) lamp that I got from D/X. Previously I thought this was one of my brighter lamps. Well, short story shorter, the X2 v3 beats it hands down. No question about it. Next I tried my Chinese Tri-clone; Nope, not even close. The new X2 is shooting um' down like tin ducks in a shooting gallery

    Still, this was just an impromptu lux test. No way to compare the total lumen output of each of the lamps but if the lux read-out is any indication the new X2 is rocking the Chinese boat some kind'a hard. ( comparison done at about 1.5 meter )

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    I don't have quad-XML one, but all my 3*LED, 5*LED and 7*LED lights were significantly underpowered in the default state - so, it's really fine for X2 not to follow that "tradition". Most of ordinary users aren't going to mod the lights anyway, so having ready-to-use model is quite handy for them.

    As for measurement, de-facto "standard" is to do it at 1 meter distance. To compare overall light distribution with luxmeter only, I use my "homemade" method of several measurements at different angle from the axis: it gives relatively useful information about beam's brightness...



    Absolute values (Lux):


    Relative to the center of beam (%):

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    I'm about to get back into the regular night riding game and it looks as though the X2 V3 is my favourite so far.

    It's reassuring to read Bruce's comments about the quality of the components going into the lights, after all those tempting $50 chinese lights have passed before my eyes on the web, I just kept thinking I'd be out of light in the middle of nowhere or looking for a replacement battery before you know it.

    I had a lupine nightmare that lasted for 6 years before the battery died and foolishly replaced it with a Nukeproof reactor which hasn't really given me much service life before battery death, nor was the beam pattern as good.

    My Dinnote 200L helmet light has served me well for several years as well and only just succumbed to a connector failure which needs fixing

    The gloworm has all those things i loved about the nightmare, programmable, remote, good build quality, yet costs significantly less than a Piko 7.

    Just gotta see if I can find one in Perth to "feel the merchandise"
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    It looks as though the v3 won't be in Oz for another 2-3 months according to the shop I was in yesterday! This strikes me as odd considering that it's already in the USA and Nz is a bit closer to us here....Is it worth hanging on for one or just going for a v2 at a good price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmoset View Post
    It looks as though the v3 won't be in Oz for another 2-3 months according to the shop I was in yesterday! This strikes me as odd considering that it's already in the USA and Nz is a bit closer to us here....Is it worth hanging on for one or just going for a v2 at a good price?
    If you really like the idea of being able to program your own mode output levels and you can afford the extra money I think it would be worth waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmoset View Post
    It looks as though the v3 won't be in Oz for another 2-3 months according to the shop I was in yesterday! This strikes me as odd considering that it's already in the USA and Nz is a bit closer to us here....Is it worth hanging on for one or just going for a v2 at a good price?
    Or you could just buy one from here now:Action-LED-Lights — GLOWORM X2 v3 1500 lumen Bike Light

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    Cheers guys,not sure what to make of it all now! On a light output point of view, is the jump worth it from v2 to v3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmoset View Post
    Cheers guys,not sure what to make of it all now! On a light output point of view, is the jump worth it from v2 to v3?
    Not that I'm hawking for Gloworm but the ~ 300 lumen increase OTF is not only measurable but noticeable. It will not however dynamically change how well you can ride unless you have previously been using something with considerable less output.

    If you're living down under your summer riding season is approaching fast. Whatever you buy you should plan for two lights, one for the bar ( Gloworm ) and one for the helmet. You might want to take a good look at the lamps offered by Xeccon Revolution which is very close to your neck of the woods. They offer some decent lamps/batteries that should be able to reach you really quick. On the other hand if you are looking for a local vendor where you can demo before buying that would be a different issue.

    If that's the case you might want to consider buying some, "Just get me by for the moment" Chinese lamps. While you still might not be able to eyeball the lamps before buying at least you can get a good idea how they work by reading this forum. You should be able to buy a couple cheap Chinese lamps ( with batteries ) for about a $100 AUD. As close as you are to China you should get those real quick and have you riding in no time. Later ( when/if ) you decide to upgrade you will have some spare lamps ( for friends to borrow ) or back-ups when needed. Many people here on this forum are using the cheap Chinese lamps. While they have their pro's and con's they usually work good enough to provide the novice/sport rider with enough light to get some really nice night rides in.

    Time to stop riding the fence. Roll the dice and take some chances so you can enjoy the night. Anyway, don't wait long. The Christmas rush is fast approaching and after that the Chinese New year holiday. In a couple weeks the vendors will run out of the popular items and start taking back orders. Now is the time to place orders if you want your stuff before Christmas.

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    Thanks cat-man-do , I jumped and bought the v2 just a few hours ago, the price was too good to turn down. They blow away the previous light, a nukeproof reactor, which was always a bit of a disappointment compared to the lupine nightmare I'd run prior to it.

    It's nice to have a light that's clearly had a lot of though put into it, I've just gotta see if I can alter my lupine peppi(?) switch holder to secure the switch on the bars more securely.

    I'll use the gloworm on the bars with my dinotte on the helmet, but that may be like a candle compared to the X2!
    If this is an issue I can always stick the x2 on the helmet and either run it alone or buy a v3 to go with it

    Thanks again

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    I would recommend the gloworm X1 for your helmet. I run the X2 V3 on the bar and the X1 V2 on my helmet and really like it. The X1 is amazingly small and lightweight and the throw is excellent.

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    I own an X2 version 3. I really like the build quality and the amount of light. However, the system feels extremely slow, and I can never get to the light mode I want in the first try. Last time I went for a night ride I was racing some of the guys in my local club. I couldn't get the light to go into the 1500 lumen mode, so I was stuck with the low setting. Annoying. It feels like a bug in the assembler code, or a slow processor (bad code?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Nice, more than enough light coming off the bars no doubt about that.
    Since you have the X2 on the helmet I'm going to comment about that.

    IMO the new version of the X2 is not going to be as "helmet friendly" as the previous version. I say that because the new user interface makes turning the lamp on a bit more of a chore. When I use a helmet lamp I sometimes turn the lamp off unless I really need it for more technical riding. That said when it comes time to turn it on with the new version you will have to put one hand on the helmet, press the button and count about three seconds. THAT is not something always easy to do ( on the fly ) depending on what kind of trail you are on and what obstacles are in front of you.
    Catman, I think the reason for the new ON sequence is that it prevents accidentally turning on the light when transporting it in a bag or something. More and more manufacturers are doing this and I think it's a good thing. Nothing like getting to your destination and finding your battery drained.

    Also, you seem to be pretty annoyed by the 3 second requirement to turn the light on. Why don't you just depress the button until the light clicks on and then let go instead of trying to count and anticipate when the light will turn on? Seems a lot simpler and less prone to error or frustration. Just hold and let go when you see the beam appear.

    But this goes to show you cannot never satisfy everyone and an argument can always be made for or against something.

    As for your issue with turning the light on and off during rides, I guess that's an artifact of days when batteries just didn't have enough juice (to a lesser degree, overheating is also an issue) and people turned their lights of to conserve juice. These days I never turn my light off if I need or want to stop for whatever reason. I just turn it to LOW which prevents overheating and draining the battery. I also run on low when going slow at any time. I find this a lot easier than having to deal with turning the light on and off.

    Again, not telling you what to do, but I think there are pretty easy solutions to the things that seem to annoy you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekbob View Post
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    Here is my new setup. X2 V3 on the helmet and 2 Olympias on the bars.
    Quick question..On your 2 Olympias on the bar are you running each on its own battery or using a Y cable to one battery? I am looking to do the same on my Duo's for the bar.

    If using one battery, what capacity is it and what are your approx run time? Any other input on running this configuration would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eggdog View Post
    Quick question..On your 2 Olympias on the bar are you running each on its own battery or using a Y cable to one battery? I am looking to do the same on my Duo's for the bar.

    If using one battery, what capacity is it and what are your approx run time? Any other input on running this configuration would be appreciated.
    I have a 6 cell MS battery (MJ-6038) with a Y cable and I also have 2 of the high capacity MS 4 cells (Mj-6030H) for longer rides. If I'm going on a really long night ride I'll just run one Olympia. With the 6 cell I usually run for about 45 min on medium then 30-40 min on high (short rides only).

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_marsbar View Post
    I own an X2 version 3. I really like the build quality and the amount of light. However, the system feels extremely slow, and I can never get to the light mode I want in the first try. Last time I went for a night ride I was racing some of the guys in my local club. I couldn't get the light to go into the 1500 lumen mode, so I was stuck with the low setting. Annoying. It feels like a bug in the assembler code, or a slow processor (bad code?).
    You should contact the supplier of your light and they will get this resolved for you.

    Catman - following customer feedback Gloworm have now changed the UI for the latest batch of the X2 v3 to a single click for on in Trail mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crgmoto View Post
    You should contact the supplier of your light and they will get this resolved for you.

    Catman - following customer feedback Gloworm have now changed the UI for the latest batch of the X2 v3 to a single click for on in Trail mode.
    Well this is news to me! I hope this is something good but does leave the question, "How is the second race menu brought up"?

    More important, did they increase the length of the remote cable?

    @ Jim from ActionLED; Can you confirm any of this change?

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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?

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    We did do a review and have adjusted the programming to enable a single click to enter the trail programme, while we have maintained a double click to enter the commuter mode.

    Due to manufacturing constraints we have not lengthened the remote switch however it is on the list.

    As always we are always refining our products and will react as fast as we can with changes to improve customer experience.

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    I've now had a set of Gloworms for about 3 weeks and I figured it was time to give my impressions.

    I have an X1v2 and X2v3. The X1 is on the helmet with the two cell battery and the X2 is on the bars with a 4 cell. The two lights certainly compliment each other with beam pattern and intensity.

    I reprogrammed the light settings to get roughly matching run times between the lights, so High=2.25-2.5hrs runtime, Med=4.5-5hrs runtime, and Low=8.5-9hrs runtime. The biggest change to the default settings was the med setting on the X1, the others were just small tweaks if needed at all.

    Light color is best described as white. The two lights have the same temperature light so the beams blend perfectly. The optics of the X1 definitely focus the light and give it more throw (I'm using the standard spot lense). If I swing the X1 beam across the area lit up by the X2, it is clear the spot is more "intense" then the flood pattern of the X2. It doesn't overwhelm it at all, but the 950 lumens "looks" brighter then the 1500 out of the X2. This is a compliment for the X1 more than a complaint about the X2.

    In practice, I have found that I do most of my climbing and slower flat riding with the lights in the dim setting (ultra low, 48hrs runtime). I bump it up to low if speeding up on flat ground. Downhill I haven't actually needed to run them on high. Medium has plenty of light on trails I know and I don't find myself wanting more. I still bump it up to high for really high speed sections, or if my remaining battery life is excessive for the amount of riding I have left to do. I consider it a luxury, though, and not really needed. Around town I use a mix of low and dim.

    Of the special modes, I leave the standard program default with the dim setting, but changed the "commute" program so that the special mode is "strobe" rather than "flash". I feel the flash setting is too bright around traffic, and I don't ride on roads much anyway.

    I first mounted the 2 cell battery on the back of my helmet, but I couldn't get it "solid" enough for my tastes. It would flop around a little, which is something that bothers me with any device, so I added the extension cord and moved it to the backpack. I run the plug under one of the loops on my shoulder so I can easily reach/find it when I need to disconnect. The weight of the battery on the helmet was never really an issue for me, and the loose mounting is more due to the shape of the helmet and location of the vents I mounted to. The 4 cell for the bar light just goes in my water bottle holder, which allows me to solidly mount it with no swinging back and forth or movement.

    I'm very happy so far and look forward to night rides whenever possible!

    I do have two questions, though.

    First, the light on the batteries sometimes flashes while charging, and sometimes stay solid. At first I thought that it would change from flashing to solid as each "level" was filled, but I get mixed results from unplugging and plugging it back in (will go from flashing to solid, or vice versa). It's not a problem, but I'm just curious what the difference between flashing and solid is when it is charging?

    The second is about mounting orientation. I prefer the button on the left side of the handlebar. It's a carryover from riding motorcycles where I'm much more used to/comfortable taking my left hand off the bars than my right. I can reach the button on the bars w/o removing my hand, but I need to remove it to adjust the helmet light so I keep them on the same side. Mounting the switch on the left side means the quick release needs to go on the right side of the stem, effectively mounting the light "upside down". Is there any possible concern to having the light upside down from a heat dissipation, vibration, etc... standpoint?

    Again, great product and I'm very satisfied. I second (third, fourth?) the suggestion to lengthen the button cord. I would also love to see a slicker mount for the switch on the bars. I snapped one of the rubber band mounts attempting to bend it 90 degrees so I could stick to the switch to it. I now plan on grinding it down as flat a possible and throwing some gloss black paint on it so the adhesive will stick. If this is successful I'll post up some pictures.

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    Fleezus,

    In answer to your 2 questions;
    For the first, it's my understanding that the battery flashes while charging and turns solid when fully charged. I'm running a couple through a charge cycle to confirm.
    For the second, right side up or upside down makes no difference. You can mount it on the top of the bar, on the bottom or straight out. On the right or left.
    On cord length, I agree a little longer would be good but also, the Y needs to be reversed. The light is usually mounted at the center of the bar and the battery on the stem or frame at the center of the bike. The battery lead needs to come back towards the center rather than out towards the switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    ...the Y needs to be reversed. The light is usually mounted at the center of the bar and the battery on the stem or frame at the center of the bike. The battery lead needs to come back towards the center rather than out towards the switch.
    ^^ That would make a lot more sense ^^

    If these suggested changes make it to production, and a nice discount/sale comes along ... I'm ready to jump in 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    ...

    For the first, it's my understanding that the battery flashes while charging and turns solid when fully charged. I'm running a couple through a charge cycle to confirm.

    ...

    On cord length, I agree a little longer would be good but also, the Y needs to be reversed. The light is usually mounted at the center of the bar and the battery on the stem or frame at the center of the bike. The battery lead needs to come back towards the center rather than out towards the switch.
    This is what I thought, too, when I first got the light. In practice I've had it do both ways and I just use the light on the charger as the indicator of whether it's done charging or not. What I meant about unplugging it and plugging it back in is that it will be flashing 80%, and after re-attaching it the light will be solid 80%. In either case it finishes charging just fine and the light on the charger will go from red to green. Again, not a problem at all. Just something I noticed and was curious about. Both batteries do it.

    Thank you for the quick responses and your great customer service. ActionLED kicks ass!
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    How's the thermal "capacity" of the x2 vs. the Duo? I recently purchased the duo and like it except for it dropping to low due to over heating, even though it's winter here and I'm moving on the bike. Can the x2 tolerate running in high for an extended period with ambient temps in the 60s or above, while moving at the slower speeds you encounter on technical trails? Ex avg 5 or 6 mph?

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    I've never had an X2 power down due to heat whilst riding, it will if you are stationary for any length of time but not if there is airflow over the light.

    The fins on the X2 give it a very large surface area to dissipate heat. The X2 is a larger/heavier unit than the Duo which is of benefit in 2 ways - increased surface area and more metal to act as a heat sink to draw heat away from the emitters.

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    One difference between the X2 and Duo is the way they handle overheating. If you put both lights on high in still air and let them heat up, when the Duo reaches a dangerous temperature, it cycles down to low until it has time to cool and then powers back up.
    The X2 (I tested a v3) powers down gradually until the temperature stops rising. It is so slow that you have a hard time noticing that it's changing but it starts right away. It will then reach an equilibrium temperature and vary slightly up and down from there. If you then start moving or put a fan on the light it starts brightening until it reaches a new equilibrium.
    Here a plot of brightness over about 8 1/2 minutes in still air @ 64 degreesF

    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-screen-shot-2013-12-09-9.01.07-pm.png
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    Gloworm X2 upgrade

    Gloworm has just release a minor upgrade to the X2 which now shares optics with the XS. (We'll call it v3.1 to differentiate it.) The optics are a little deeper allowing the light to be better focused and more efficiently reflected. There looks to be about a 10% increase in light output for the X2 with this change. Francios has the new version and I am anxious to see how his testing compares to mine.

    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-x2v3.0vs3.0.jpg

    Unfortunately do to their larger size they cannot be fitted into the older version. To accommodate the housing depth (front to back) has been increased by about 3mm.

    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-compare-optics.jpg

    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope and leave their competition one step farther behind.

    These v3.1 lights are now in stock and shipping as of the first of the week.
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    ^ and that's why after acquiring an X1, my next two lights will be Gloworms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post

    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope and leave their competition one step farther behind.

    These v3.1 lights are now in stock and shipping as of the first of the week.
    A nice improvement and I guess there always will be improvements, but I'm sure a lot of people who already bought the X2 v3 or earlier XS without the modifications might be annoyed at getting what would perceived to be an 'inferior' version now.

    I for one am glad I held off but now might wait even longer if indeed I pull the trigger. I know these are good products, but the prices have jumped a whole lot and IMO not so competitively priced anymore.

    Were these changes made my Action-LED or Gloworm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbean View Post
    A nice improvement and I guess there always will be improvements, but I'm sure a lot of people who already bought the X2 v3 or earlier XS without the modifications might be annoyed at getting what would perceived to be an 'inferior' version now.

    I for one am glad I held off but now might wait even longer if indeed I pull the trigger. I know these are good products, but the prices have jumped a whole lot and IMO not so competitively priced anymore.

    Were these changes made my Action-LED or Gloworm?
    Of course the changes were made by Gloworm (Action is a retailer who is supplied lights by our USA distributor - but he does a fantastic job and we receive a lot of great feedback from Jim). We have received a lot of feedback regarding the performance of our products and as such will continually improve. If any changes are going to be dramatic we will plan to release the product once the previous version has almost been sold out.

    We deemed this type of improvement as a refinement rather than an upgrade, it was also part of the plan to make more efficient our manufacturing process with the investment in our own custom optic that fit both the XS and X2.

    Happy to receive feedback as it is what promotes our products to be the best they can.

    Cheers

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    Blackbean,

    Bruce can correct me if I'm wrong but the XS has had these new optics since day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Blackbean,

    Bruce can correct me if I'm wrong but the XS has had these new optics since day one.
    Jim, that is correct. We designed the XS platform around the new optics.
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    While I can't help but be a little disappointed that I'm missing out on the new optics with my recently purchased X2v3, I fully encourage the active development and quick updates that Gloworm does.

    It's really funny how the psychological game works in our heads. Take something that we are completely satisfied with, dangle something incrementally better in front of us, and suddenly the previous item isn't adequate anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleezus View Post
    While I can't help but be a little disappointed that I'm missing out on the new optics with my recently purchased X2v3, I fully encourage the active development and quick updates that Gloworm does.

    It's really funny how the psychological game works in our heads. Take something that we are completely satisfied with, dangle something incrementally better in front of us, and suddenly the previous item isn't adequate anymore.
    Well said. That is so true. And that's why I resisted the urge just to jump to the X2 v3 or the XS. I will always like an improved light but am trying to not just jump the gun. That being said, I think I will keep my X2 v2 and just use it as a dedicated spot if I buy a new light. Hopefully Francois will complete the reviews on the new Gloworm line up soon.

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    [QUOTE=Action LED Lights;
    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope
    .[/QUOTE]

    This is why I've decided to give Gloworm my business and buy this light. I've got one question before I order. Jim, I don't see where I can order an extra set of optics. I want to try different combinations and I'd like to order them with the light. Do you have them in stock yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    This is why I've decided to give Gloworm my business and buy this light. I've got one question before I order. Jim, I don't see where I can order an extra set of optics. I want to try different combinations and I'd like to order them with the light. Do you have them in stock yet?
    Mole
    Now listed: XS Spot Optic
    However, spare optics are included with the XS. For the newer X2 they are extra.
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    I only managed to get out once since I got the X2V3.1 but it appears like I got just what I was looking for. I took my duo out with the Gloworm and the results were: similar beam width and brightness but the Gloworm had A LOT MORE THROW. It's like they took the extra power and just added to the reach of the beam, not brighter in the foreground just a nice smooth even beam, perfect for my eyes. It also appears that the X2V3.1 runs cooler too. I ran both lights on high for a little less than a mile at about 5 mph - Gloworm warm to the touch and the due was hot. I also ran them for a couple of minutes with no airflow when I got home and the Gloworm cooled down much quicker so I think the X2V3.1 is going to be a cooler running light. I haven't tried switching to the spot/spot optic combo yet or even tried it on my helmet but I'm pleased so far.

    One question for Jim @ ActionLEDlights. I noticed you mentioned in the XS thread that the wide angle lens had some issues and that you'd recommend running all spot optics on the XS which shares optics with the X2V3.1. I running the stock wide/spot and was planning on testing that for a while but will change right away if the spot/spot combo is better in every way. Thanks for the great service! What's your opinion?
    Mole

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    Mole,

    Here's the beam pattern plot for the X2v3.1 with each lens combo.
    The results are as expected with the wide angle lens only reducing the amount of light. You'll have to wait a little while to get a spot lens as we're sold out at the moment.

    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-x2v3.1.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Gloworm has just release a minor upgrade to the X2 which now shares optics with the XS. (We'll call it v3.1 to differentiate it.) The optics are a little deeper allowing the light to be better focused and more efficiently reflected. There looks to be about a 10% increase in light output for the X2 with this change. Francios has the new version and I am anxious to see how his testing compares to mine.

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    Unfortunately do to their larger size they cannot be fitted into the older version. To accommodate the housing depth (front to back) has been increased by about 3mm.

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    A nice little improvement as Gloworm continues to push the envelope and leave their competition one step farther behind.

    These v3.1 lights are now in stock and shipping as of the first of the week.
    Okay, now I'm a little confused. When I bought the X2 (v3) it was hyped with the New emitter ( XM-L2 "U2" ), new programming and new optics. As far as I knew I was getting "new optics" when I purchased the X2 (v3).

    If you look at the original Gloworm thread ( see post #1150 posted on 9/23/13 ) is says this;

    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hey all, passing through Yosemite National Park as I write this......the new optics are appx 10% brighter regardless of the emitter, well actually we tested them with the previous emitters. So all up increase is including optics and new emitters.

    Unfortunately the new optics a not backwards compatible, to get an increased output we needed to lengthen the optics by 1.2mm and play around with the interior design also.

    The X2 will be powered using a 5800 mAhr 4 cell battery. The XS will also be powered by a 4 cell battery.........a 6800mAhr battery, using new 3400 Panasonic cells.

    Additionally we are using the XM-L2 U2 LED....The brightest bin available.

    Cheers

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    Now when I got mine I assumed the optics for the (v3) were of "new design" because of this conversation. To me they looked different but I didn't take the front of the lamp off to confirm that the optics were indeed "new design".

    Any comment before I investigate further and decide to voice more on what I think about this issue? ( *Note, add to this I see no reference on the official Gloworm New Zealand site of there being a "3.1" version. I realize that some improvements were made to the programming from the original "v3" that I assume were done to eliminate the issues I encountered when I first got mine. That said as far as I know nothing yet was done to change the remote ( wire ) length. Now I am reading that the one I bought ( X2 (v3) ) "doesn't" have the new optics......is this true?
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    Hey Cat,
    Although I don't know for sure, I'm guessing that since there is a chart on the action website showing a performance advantage for the 3.1 vs. the 3 version and they have the same emitters that there must have been an optic upgrade between the two. I do know that I don't have any of the UI problems that you experienced. On my 3.1 one push on the remote button turns the light on, and each additional push changes the intensity level, no lag, no hickups, works great.
    Mole

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    I have to try like 4-5 times with the single push to get my x2 v3 to turn on. For now its not a big problem with it being on handlebar but when I get the XS tomorrow the X2 v3 is going up on the helmet. It's going to be a huge PITA if I have to have one hand off the bars for 20 seconds as I keep trying to get my helmet light to turn on. The one thing I notice it I can always get it to switch on in commuter mode with the quick double tap but the single press is just frustrating. I'm considering adjusting the commuter mode to suit my trail needs since it switches on every time first time but it sucks ill only have two setting to work with

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