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    If your X2 v3 was from the earlier batch it had a user interface that was designed to stop accidental switching on in kit bags etc.

    To switch on in Trail mode you press and hold for 4-5 seconds - press the button and count to 5 and release it and the light will come straight on.
    Commuter is the double click as you observed.

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    Thanks I'll give that a try but that's still a long time when in the middle of a 24hr race on some courses. Being on a single speed bike and having to stand out of the saddle for ether climbs or descents and with most courses having little to no flat stuff I have a hard enough time finding time to pull a hand off the bars long enough to grab my water bottle let along deal with both my bottle and light. I may have to leave my X2 v2 on the helmet and sell the v3 if it really becomes a problem.

    With what ever light is on the bars it's not a problem because I can have on hand there the whole time so its easy. Did they change the timing for turning on the v3 with the v3.1 update or is it the same?

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    [QUOTE=crgmoto;10893713]RojoRacing53
    user interface that was designed to stop accidental switching on in kit bags etc.

    I'm not sure I buy this, I always unplug my battery when not in use for safety reason

    RojoRacing - My 3.1 version turns on with one click and I would hope that's the way Gloworm designed the XS so you should get to try it out for yourself. If it was me I think I would contact Gloworm to see if there isn't some way to upgrade the UI on your 3.0 version. From what I've seen on MTBR Gloworm has bent over backwards to make their customers happy and I would think it would be worth it to them to take care of the customers who got 3.0 to protect their outstanding customer service reputation. It never hurts to ask.
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    Yeah I just tried the 5 seconds then release deal and it works but it doesn't come on untill you "release" the button, so that 5 seconds is going to be an eternity as I crest the climb and I'm quickly closing in on that rocky descent. I should have the XS tomorrow and was told the programming for the x2 v3 was the same as the XS, if the XS works like your X2 v3.1 and my x2 v2 then I'll give Jim or gloworm a call and see what can be done.

    I hate to sound picky here and don't want to seem like I'm trying to take advantage of Jim at action since he's been so helpful so far with a replacement battery and endless answers. It's just for weekly night rides its manageable especially when used on the bars and most riders probably wouldn't care. But when I'm using these for 24hr solo races and have to change the light level from low to high on to off several times a lap to extend battery life the UI is kind critical.

    In the mean time I can't wait for that XS to show up so I can go poach some single track in nearly freezing weather tomorrow.

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    Can the brightness in flash mode be altered with Gloworm lights like it can with the Gemini Duo? I'd rather not be flashing more then 300 lumens at oncoming traffic from a helmet light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Yeah I just tried the 5 seconds then release deal and it works but it doesn't come on untill you "release" the button, so that 5 seconds is going to be an eternity as I crest the climb and I'm quickly closing in on that rocky descent. I should have the XS tomorrow and was told the programming for the x2 v3 was the same as the XS, if the XS works like your X2 v3.1 and my x2 v2 then I'll give Jim or gloworm a call and see what can be done.

    I hate to sound picky here and don't want to seem like I'm trying to take advantage of Jim at action since he's been so helpful so far with a replacement battery and endless answers. It's just for weekly night rides its manageable especially when used on the bars and most riders probably wouldn't care. But when I'm using these for 24hr solo races and have to change the light level from low to high on to off several times a lap to extend battery life the UI is kind critical.

    In the mean time I can't wait for that XS to show up so I can go poach some single track in nearly freezing weather tomorrow.
    I tried this 5 sec push/hold idea. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Same with the 2nd program. There is no consistent operational protocol for getting the X2 (v3) to turn on. Sometimes takes minutes to get the lamp to come on ( in the menu you want ).

    My suggestion for race helmet use (v3 ) is to never turn the lamp off, rather turn it to the lowest level ( which you can set for minimal output ) and then just let it run. Not the perfect solution but unless Gloworm wants to come forward and do a recall of their product it seems the only reasonable option you have to save run time ( without turning the lamp off ).

    In the mean time I'm beginning to feel like an unwilling "beta" tester. I paid full price for a product that failed to meet the expectations that were talked about before the product was released. While the product I have is still usable I expected better. That said I will no longer be the first to spend my own money on a Gloworm product until I know for sure that the product lives up to the hype. I'm no longer going to be the beta guinea pig for a product that failed to meet expectations.

    I feel Gloworm needs to issue a recall on the first line of X2 ( v3 )'s that were sold. Changes that need to be made as follows; Make sure all customers have a workable UI with the promised new UI. "New optics" should be included with all X2 (v3)s'. Add to that the remote wire needs to be long enough to work with longer handlebars. Now if they do all this I will soften my tone otherwise I'll let the chips fall where they may.

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    Jim is in the process of helping me out with my problem and I'm going to try a couple things. I just got done telling Jim that I'd feel better about sending my lighthead back if I knew "Gloworm" was stepping up to the plate to help him out and he isn't just trying to absorb their error. I don't want to lose another top notch bike product distributor like we did with geoman gear and the magicshine battery recall debacle because I'm sure we all know people like Jim in the retail world are rare these days.

    Cat I'm sure you feel the same way in regards to this.

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    I let a friend who wants to get into night MTBing try out the v3 a couple nights ago and he absolutly loved its performance, I did however make sure it was on before sending him off for the second half of his ride. I may sell my X2 V2 to him once I get the X2 V3 situation solved then I'll be sending him over to action to get a second X1 or X2 for his helmet.

    My other buddy was trying to be a cheap ass and bought those ebay magicshine knockoffs for like $30 and the performance was laughable at best. I'm going to try and defuse his POS lights to help spread his super narrow beam pattern but I already told him he should be looking to get some gloworms for his new $4000 bike he just built. It's like going XX1 and then trying to put a $10 chain on, it's just seems silly to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Jim is in the process of helping me out with my problem and I'm going to try a couple things. I just got done telling Jim that I'd feel better about sending my lighthead back if I knew "Gloworm" was stepping up to the plate to help him out and he isn't just trying to absorb their error. I don't want to lose another top notch bike product distributor like we did with geoman gear and the magicshine battery recall debacle because I'm sure we all know people like Jim in the retail world are rare these days.

    Cat I'm sure you feel the same way in regards to this.
    Absolutely. I place none of the blame for this on ActionLED. I'm sure Jim will do all he can to back what he sells. I'm not advocating a ban on the product but I would like to see "Gloworm" ( the manufacturer ) be more forthcoming in making sure that everyone gets what they thought they were paying for.

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    Cat, you need to clean out your PM inbox. Trying to send you a message but your box is full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    My other buddy was trying to be a cheap ass and bought those ebay magicshine knockoffs for like $30 and the performance was laughable at best.
    Those are the same lights that Cat recommends as being a good value in other threads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    Those are the same lights that Cat recommends as being a good value in other threads?

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    I'm not sure but probably not since my friend isn't on mtbr as far as I know. They were single emitter 808 style. The funny thing was is he was really happy with them on his test ride last weekend but when I showed up to our weekly wed night ride and saw what everyone else is running it was apparent that his setup lacking. There's quite of few riders in our group that run up to three cheap headlights on their bars but that's not going to cut it if you care about wieght or flipping setting on the fly. In the end I don't care what others run so long as they continue to show up to our night rides and keep the ride alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    Those are the same lights that Cat recommends as being a good value in other threads?

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    You mean that "Cat and almost everyone else recommends as being a good value in other threads"? If someone doesn't like the output/beam pattern from one of those doesn't mean it wasn't a good value. A couple days ago I saw a single emitter XM-L bike lamp on Kaidomain for $16. It was a 3-mode lamp with battery ( I think ). Even with a lousy battery you can't beat the value. Add to that just because something has value doesn't mean there isn't something that will beat it. Depends on what you want, what you get and what your expectations were when you ordered it as to how something rates as value. If you buy a lamp that put's out over 600 lumen, has multi-modes, operates as expected and gets you 2 hours run time, for $25 that's a decent value IMO. Doesn't mean there isn't something better that you will like more.

    Back in the day with my old halogens, if your bulb or battery lasted a year you were lucky and those were much more money to replace. Not to mention the output wasn't no where near what the present LED lamps are able to produce.

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    Yeah they we're a good value for the $ but total crap compared to a gloworm as far as performance. I often for get not everyone has such high performance standards as I or like to rip down rocky single tracks faster then most would ever consider during the day.

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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?

    Hey,

    We are working very closely with Jim and Joey, the USA distributor. Jim will not be out of pocket, as any lights he has been replacing will subsequently being replaced by us.

    There is no way we would leave retailers to absorb warranties, we have a solid warranty process with our retailers and distributors. We replace warranties ASAP and attempt to get faulty units back to assess issues.

    I urge you to get in touch with Jim to sort your issue an we will definitely be dealing with the units post situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Jim is in the process of helping me out with my problem and I'm going to try a couple things. I just got done telling Jim that I'd feel better about sending my lighthead back if I knew "Gloworm" was stepping up to the plate to help him out and he isn't just trying to absorb their error. I don't want to lose another top notch bike product distributor like we did with geoman gear and the magicshine battery recall debacle because I'm sure we all know people like Jim in the retail world are rare these days.

    Cat I'm sure you feel the same way in regards to this.



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    Cat,

    I appreciate and understand your position.

    When we sent the units to the market these irregularities did not exist in all the products, but have begun to show up. We would never send a product to market to be tested by the customers.

    The issues you and some others have incurred has been traced to a programming issue and can be rectified - as offered by PM.

    We are progressively replacing units as and when customers get in touch as not all units are reacting in this way and many customers, not all online, are very happy with the product.

    Regarding the cable length, this is not a quick fix however we have now made the change in addition to a material change to the cable outer, making it more flexible and durable. The change will be seen in the market by the end of January.

    I understand your annoyance with the situation and all I can offer is assurance that we are continually working to keep our products top notch and right any weaknesses as quickly as possible. Please don't consider yourself to have been a 'beta' tester as this was never the intention. The issues were pure technical issues that could not be predicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I tried this 5 sec push/hold idea. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Same with the 2nd program. There is no consistent operational protocol for getting the X2 (v3) to turn on. Sometimes takes minutes to get the lamp to come on ( in the menu you want ).

    My suggestion for race helmet use (v3 ) is to never turn the lamp off, rather turn it to the lowest level ( which you can set for minimal output ) and then just let it run. Not the perfect solution but unless Gloworm wants to come forward and do a recall of their product it seems the only reasonable option you have to save run time ( without turning the lamp off ).

    In the mean time I'm beginning to feel like an unwilling "beta" tester. I paid full price for a product that failed to meet the expectations that were talked about before the product was released. While the product I have is still usable I expected better. That said I will no longer be the first to spend my own money on a Gloworm product until I know for sure that the product lives up to the hype. I'm no longer going to be the beta guinea pig for a product that failed to meet expectations.

    I feel Gloworm needs to issue a recall on the first line of X2 ( v3 )'s that were sold. Changes that need to be made as follows; Make sure all customers have a workable UI with the promised new UI. "New optics" should be included with all X2 (v3)s'. Add to that the remote wire needs to be long enough to work with longer handlebars. Now if they do all this I will soften my tone otherwise I'll let the chips fall where they may.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Cat,

    I appreciate and understand your position.

    When we sent the units to the market these irregularities did not exist in all the products, but have begun to show up. We would never send a product to market to be tested by the customers.

    The issues you and some others have incurred has been traced to a programming issue and can be rectified - as offered by PM.

    We are progressively replacing units as and when customers get in touch as not all units are reacting in this way and many customers, not all online, are very happy with the product.

    Regarding the cable length, this is not a quick fix however we have now made the change in addition to a material change to the cable outer, making it more flexible and durable. The change will be seen in the market by the end of January.

    I understand your annoyance with the situation and all I can offer is assurance that we are continually working to keep our products top notch and right any weaknesses as quickly as possible. Please don't consider yourself to have been a 'beta' tester as this was never the intention. The issues were pure technical issues that could not be predicted.

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    Thanks Bruce for your feedback. I hope to see the improvements in the X2 ( v3 ) you mentioned in the future. I did get your PM. Since you have made it clear that all of the issues that I have beforehand mentioned will be addressed by the end of January 2014, I will wait until that time before trying to obtain a replacement.

    Personally, I am in no hurry. For the record I felt it necessary to speak out not so much because I was so dissatisfied with the product but because I wanted to know that other people who might buy the product get everything normally expected out of what I consider, "a premium product". It seems to me now that you are taking the proper steps to correct the problems and to keep ALL OF YOUR CUSTOMERS satisfied.

    Anyone else that has previously bought the X2 (v3) and has had the same problems that I ( and others ) have had be sure to contact the distributor you bought from to check when and how replacements will be provided and when they will become available. Kudo's to both Jim ( ActionLED ) and Bruce ( Gloworm Products ) for taking the bull by the horns.

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    Hi, can anybody tell, what is the real difference between v3 and v3.1? I've found a note: "v3.1 is updated from v3.0 with new optics to better focus the beam" on Action-LED-Light sites, but nothing on Gloworm pages. Is the new optics retro-usable for v3 lighthead?

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    Good light Gloworm X2 V3.1

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    X2v3.0 and X2v3.1 are terms we adopted here at Action LED Lights to differentiate between before and after some minor changes that Gloworm made to the light. They are not using the label v3.1 themselves.
    The X2v3.0 had the same optics as the v2 but added higher output and programing.
    The X2v3.1 switched to the same optics as the XS and has a little better focus. The optics are not interchangeable since the body of the light got slightly longer to accommodate the new optic.
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    Thanks very much for explanation. I just wonder, if v3.0 lights available in EU (crgmoto, etc.) are new optics or not, same v3.0 designation for old and new optics is confusing ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    X2v3.0 and X2v3.1 are terms we adopted here at Action LED Lights to differentiate between before and after some minor changes that Gloworm made to the light. They are not using the label v3.1 themselves.
    The X2v3.0 had the same optics as the v2 but added higher output and programing.
    The X2v3.1 switched to the same optics as the XS and has a little better focus. The optics are not interchangeable since the body of the light got slightly longer to accommodate the new optic.
    Jim, I'm still a little confused about all this v3 verses v3.1 thing. I thought when I bought mine that I was getting upgraded optics. Can you give me the length measurement of the v3.1 so I can compare it to mine.

    Lastly, nice to read about changes. I would like to think that a willingness to actually change the dimensions of the lamp would also suggest a willingness to perhaps add 3 or 4mm to the remote wire. That said have there been any changes to remote length?

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    Cat,

    The easy way to tell the difference between the 3.0 and the 3.1 is to look at the back cap of the light. Were is says X2, the crossbar of the X has 1500 printed in it for the 3.1, nothing on the 3.0.
    If you have some calipers handy the 3.0 is 34.4mm front to back and the 3.1 is 36mm.
    The change to the beam is small. If I have time this week I could run the beam pattern test on both.
    A change to the wire is in the works. It will be a running change which means there will be no version number change, not even for us since the service parts will not change. I can't quite predict when the change will occur but it's not too far off.
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    Does anyone have a photo of the X2 V3 set up on their helmet that they could share?
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    Thanks Pabcor!
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    I had a problem with my X2V3.1 lighthead that required a warranty replacement (taken care of right away by action-led-lights - Thanks Jim). The first I noticed when I unpacked the light was that they've extended the length of the wire connecting the remote by approx. 2 in. I know this was a big deal to a lot of people so I thought I should share this information about Gloworms product update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    good idea but today arrives me that, new X2 remote control suport

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    Usually I buy to Action Led Lights, but this light precisely i bought to the manufacturer Gloworm directly to sell on my website Luces potentes para tu bici | Accesorios para tus luces y Frontales ligeros y de calidad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    One difference between the X2 and Duo is the way they handle overheating. If you put both lights on high in still air and let them heat up, when the Duo reaches a dangerous temperature, it cycles down to low until it has time to cool and then powers back up.
    The X2 (I tested a v3) powers down gradually until the temperature stops rising. It is so slow that you have a hard time noticing that it's changing but it starts right away. It will then reach an equilibrium temperature and vary slightly up and down from there. If you then start moving or put a fan on the light it starts brightening until it reaches a new equilibrium.
    Here a plot of brightness over about 8 1/2 minutes in still air @ 64 degreesF

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    Hi Guys
    Has any one run any tests regarding the output versus run time on the X2?
    It is an expensive light and I wonder what you get for your money. What sort of discharge line it has? Is it a constant 1500lumens and for how long?
    I like the way it handles heat, pretty impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyraider59 View Post
    Hi Guys
    Has any one run any tests regarding the output versus run time on the X2?
    It is an expensive light and I wonder what you get for your money. What sort of discharge line it has? Is it a constant 1500lumens and for how long?
    I like the way it handles heat, pretty impressive!
    Yes, it is a constant 1500 lumens for the full 2.5 hours runtime (new battery)
    It will flash a few times when your down to a few minutes remaining so you know it's time to stop and change battery or switch to low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    It will flash a few times when your down to a few minutes remaining so you know it's time to stop and change battery or switch to low.
    How must time would be left after the flashing warning then change to low?
    Hour or Minutes.

    how long a bit of string

    I send email to Gloworm on other questions for Uk seller found one but not seen QR mount or new switch mount like A.L.L in pack.

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    UK stock does not have the new switch mount or QR as standard yet. The price reflects this.

    I'll see if I can arrange some switch mounts in the meantime.

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    Crgmoto - Hi my UK seller

    More interested in QR then rubber band, switch mount is more me being a tart.

    Got email back from mate he got his two X2 from London bike show this year

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    Hay CRGMoto

    I sent PM also you have Gloworm X2 V3 will you have V3.1 In stock soon got a price ?

    I read the V3.1 has more lumens 1500 and a longer cable to switch any other benefits over V3

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    [QUOTE=Smoke&Lasers;11479904]Hay CRGMoto

    I sent PM also you have Gloworm X2 V3 will you have V3.1 In stock soon got a price ?

    I read the V3.1 has more lumens 1500 and a longer cable to switch any other benefits over V3

    Thanks[/QUOTE

    Let me share what I know about this light. I believe according to Gloworm V3 is the designation for all X2s that use an XML 2 emitter. Gloworm made a couple of mid year upgrades and I think some of their distributors came up with V3.1 to designate the difference between the original V3 and the one with the first upgrade (which was major).

    1) Original V3 = V2 lighthead with XML 2 emitter upgrade.

    2) 1st upgrade (referred to as V3.1) = New light body and optics (shared with the XS).

    3) 2nd upgrade (also referred to as V3.1) = 1st upgrade + longer remote cord.

    I believe the additional power came for the improved optics which are bigger and won't fit the old lightheads. Here's a tip for even more power, use two spot optics instead of the spot/flood that comes stock. I got an 8% power increase on a lux meter doing this and as far as I can tell it didn't decrease the beam width any. These are very nice lights and I'm sure your going to enjoy it.
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    Thanks Mr Mole

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    The version 3.1 is strictly our creation (not Gloworms) to differentiate the switch to the new housing and optics and make customer service easier. At the same time the switch wire got a little longer. We have now upgraded all our stock to include the switch mount and the X1 and X2 to contain the GoPro style quick release mount.
    The output of the emitters did not change but the focus was improved with the new optics.
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    Are that makes things more clear.

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    Yesterday, I recieved my X2 v3.1 along with the 2.9 two cell battery. Incredibly lightweight for the power it puts out. I was super impressed with the battery output of the little 2 cell guy too. Very nice product. I look forward to trying it out soon. I'll also be using mine for XC night skiing this winter.

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    Good job!

    Yep got my one today from Crgmoto.co.uk
    Sadly can't get out tonight other then garden but tomorrow night is ride night

    I need to do some read double click like mouse to get SM or Commuter mode can't seem to get there. Dim will be great for pre ride waiting for others.

    I read on one side before buying Cons Battery is a little heavy. heavy! that just rubbish.

    Bring on tomorrow night.

    Also will be get the QR mount for bar, will have to take off the fit the nice zip box.

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    After dicking about last night RTFM then read this thread this morning seem so make some senses.

    So is this right
    Click and hold for 5 then let go Trail program starts. Press & hold to get to SM Dim this seem to work for me.

    Double click to get to Road Commuter this don't seem to work all the time the high end 1000Lum looks brighter then my High end in Trail program (High) 1500lum

    (My imagination)

    Sometimes I get Trail program from Double click too.

    lost of playing about or clicking can't see how to get to Beacon I may need one day. I think I could be looking at Beacon then flash!

    Surprised there isn't youtube video on light setting or how to customise.

    Thanks
    Sending PM to Gloworm
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    Still no email reply from Gloworm two weeks I think.

    What I found so far some could be me.

    My stem head end hold bar is quite big with the gear and brake cables in way think the mount which is held by rubber band should be higher so stands higher of bars it's just to small xx mm high.

    I'm going to get QR mount hoping that larger.

    Cable to switch not very long and velcro sticky pad has come off bars. If cable was longer I could put switch on brake mount as that flat be a better base then round bars.

    I done factory reset so hoping with will solved my switch problem in program.

    Tonight on downhill run light was on full at bottom of run turn left onto road press button light didn't dim press again nothing then third time with two taps on button light dimed. Then back on trail pressed button each time I click it the light stepped down a leave lower & lower each time I want light to go up not down!

    Light is bright and battery great have been out for five ride with stops.

    But the switch & programing.
    Velcro pad maybe good on a lid but not bars.

    Am I moaning maybe but then again this is not a £15 - £30 light from China.

    I would like some after care from Gloworm. Maybe I should have tried the reseller then the company that make the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    Still no email reply from Gloworm two weeks I think.

    What I found so far some could be me.

    My stem head end hold bar is quite big with the gear and brake cables in way think the mount which is held by rubber band should be higher so stands higher of bars it's just to small xx mm high.

    I'm going to get QR mount hoping that larger.

    Cable to switch not very long and velcro sticky pad has come off bars. If cable was longer I could put switch on brake mount as that flat be a better base then round bars.

    I done factory reset so hoping with will solved my switch problem in program.

    Tonight on downhill run light was on full at bottom of run turn left onto road press button light didn't dim press again nothing then third time with two taps on button light dimed. Then back on trail pressed button each time I click it the light stepped down a leave lower & lower each time I want light to go up not down!

    Light is bright and battery great have been out for five ride with stops.

    But the switch & programing.
    Velcro pad maybe good on a lid but not bars.

    Am I moaning maybe but then again this is not a £15 - £30 light from China.

    I would like some after care from Gloworm. Maybe I should have tried the reseller then the company that make the product.
    I believe I can answer your questions.
    Sounds like you are using the O-ring mount for your bar. Remember, you can also mount the light under the bar if that gives you a better shot past cables and the like. The QR mount will allow you to get farther away from the bar, above or below. Another option would be to use one of our Computer/Headlight Mounts.
    For mounting the switch, Gloworm now provides a switch mount that gives you a flat place to mount the switch on your bar. They are available HERE.
    As far as the switch problem goes, if it's not responding there must be a problem with the switch which would be covered by warranty. Talk to whom ever you purchased it from. When you hit the button twice you entered programing mode and the light dropped to 10%. It then steps up 10% with each push. If you find yourself in this mode accidentally, the easiest way to get out without changing anything is just to unplug the battery.
    If you want to change two levels at one time you have to wait 1 or 2 seconds between pushes to assure you don't in up in programing mode.

    Hope that helps. Let me know if you have other questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    Cable to switch not very long and velcro sticky pad has come off bars. If cable was longer I could put switch on brake mount as that flat be a better base then round bars.
    Velcro pad maybe good on a lid but not bars.
    I used some sticky Velcro from WalMart, very solid, works great. I have the XS on my bars, cable seems long enough but I only have 740mm bars. Of course, I don't have shifters....

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    Thanks Action LED Lights & patski

    you can also mount the light under the bar if that gives you a better shot past cables and the like
    Were I seem to move light front of stem hits back top or bottom of light, or the cables are in the way.

    When you hit the button twice you entered programming mode and the light dropped to 10%
    I did read from Manual and on here I read double click was to get into Road Commuter mode not programming mode!

    A photo a 1000 words.


    ^ this be fix from A.L.L - Switch mount for Gloworm Lights send to UK think I ask that before.


    Hits underside of light to tilled down


    Hits top tilled down




    Cable in the way, If I mount light middle on bars the bean is straight out then if I tilled down I get shadows from cables.

    Feed back design on mount think should be cut ins were rubber band goes like on a Magicshine or Clone of a MS as it every easy for band to fall off as I found out, Spent time trying to find on carpark floor. The O Ring mount is only 34mm high but is obviously less less clearance were light screw into light.

    This also will be fixed with a QR mount I hope wound the rise on QR.





    As said battery great small light very long life & light very bright.

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    S&L,

    Industrial Strength Velcro should stick to that


    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    A photo a 1000 words.


    You need the "Official" GLoworm QR, or one of Jim's auxiliary mounts.

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    [QUOTE=Smoke&Lasers;11521833]Thanks Action LED Lights & patski


    Were I seem to move light front of stem hits back top or bottom of light, or the cables are in the way.



    Because of the bend of your bar it looks to me that the only appropriate place to mount the light is on the stem cap. Remove the cap and bars and slide 2 retention bands over the stem. Re-install the bar/stem cap, place the gloworm mount in the middle of the stem cap, pull one retention band over the top mounting hook and the other over the bottom. I tried this on a similar stem to yours and it seemed to work pretty good. You'll need an extra retention band and this will offset the light to the right slightly but should point the light straight forward and will provide you with a little extra reach for the remote wire (this might work for other who's remote wire is just a bit too short). Here's some bad pictures but I think they're good enough so you can see what I'm talking about.

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    Re: Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?

    Mr Mole I'll give that ago, till new mount turns up.

    I have just bought a QR mount.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    ... I did read from Manual and on here I read double click was to get into Road Commuter mode not programming mode!...
    Not entirely true, if the lamp is off, double click gets it into Commuter mode, but if the light is already on, double click turns it into programming mode. Quite a big difference...

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    Re: Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?

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    We're did read that, or did find by practice?

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    want a better UI? ... have booth tooth connectivity

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    Gents,

    Manual here, programming starts on page 4, http://goo.gl/HRbKrF

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    Not entirely true, if the lamp is off, double click gets it into Commuter mode, but if the light is already on, double click turns it into programming mode. Quite a big difference...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
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    We're did read that, or did find by practice?
    In the manual (Operation Chart) and verified by practice (playing with the lamp for 5 minutes)

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    MrMole,

    Very smart, that's thinking outside the box!

    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Because of the bend of your bar it looks to me that the only appropriate place to mount the light is on the stem cap. Remove the cap and bars and slide 2 retention bands over the stem.

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    Smoke&Laser, One of your pictures above shows the battery held on only by the loop on the battery case. That's not the intended way and probably doomed to failure. The strap should go all the way around the battery. The loop is to stop it from sliding out from under the strap. There also is a piece of sticky back foam tape in your set to put on the battery to protect it and your bike.

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    Hey Smoke&Lasers

    Sorry if I missed your communication. I have sent you a PM.

    @All

    Although we try to design a product that fits most bikes/application it is impossible to get a mounting system that will do all.

    We are always trying to come up with ideas to better our products and all feedback we get is taken on board and considered when improvements are made.

    We are currently going through a period of consolidation and working on small improvements so you can be assured there will be no significant changes to the current models that will affect overall performance.

    There was a comment regarding UI or User Interface. This is always going to be a trade off between simplicity and functionality. With one button, the more functional the product becomes the more complicated the UI will be. We are running through ideas/options, but be assured nothing will be changed within the next 9-12 months.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    MrMole,

    Very smart, that's thinking outside the box!
    Thanks! - It's always nice to be able to contribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    .... We are running through ideas/options, but be assured nothing will be changed within the next 9-12 months.

    Cheers

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    That's perfect, otherwise I would regret I don't have the latest version .

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    Maybe with the UI what mode in, lights on battery could flash twice.
    Two lights lit = Commuter
    Three light lit = Trail

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    Hi Gloworm Manufacture Bruce & Co

    I sent another email today. I did send one by clicking on your profile mtbr.com and different one direct.

    I made this yesterday for my switch as not worth A.L.L time to send mount to UK. I also ordered a QR mount.

    Thanks all
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    I think it is the best solution.
    Looking for power lights?, see here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    I made this yesterday for my switch as not worth A.L.L time to send mount to UK. I also ordered a QR mount. Thanks all
    Very cool, post photo of it on your bars.... nice to have lot's of ChinoisCrap® in the bottom drawer, eh?

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    A photo in daylight may be better

    I'v picked the glue off as I glued the rubber band in no need for that. Mount can go more the right once I the shifter off and tuck rubber band under.

    Once QR mount delivered see were best to place switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    Maybe with the UI what mode in, lights on battery could flash twice.
    Two lights lit = Commuter
    Three light lit = Trail
    Two flashes mean entering the programming mode. You can check the mode so after switching on you press the button 3 times with some delay between and check, in how many steps the light output changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke&Lasers View Post
    ...

    I made this yesterday for my switch as not worth A.L.L time to send mount to UK. I also ordered a QR mount.
    Have you noticed
    DIY switch handlebar mount posted earlier?
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    Is the low battery flash warning a cycle of 5-7 high/low "flutters" with a few second pause between cycles?

    I'm running an X2 V3.1 and had the 'flutter' kick in after about an hour of running the light on high. I'm using good batteries - Gemini and Magichine 5600mah ones. I also added one of the magicshine 818 tail lights running off the same battery, so I imagine that extra draw is causing the voltage to drop low enough to kick off the low battery warning early.

    Assuming that's the case, would moving to a 6 cell battery pack resolve the problem, or do I need a different kind of 4 cell pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechniKal View Post
    Is the low battery flash warning a cycle of 5-7 high/low "flutters" with a few second pause between cycles?

    I'm running an X2 V3.1 and had the 'flutter' kick in after about an hour of running the light on high. I'm using good batteries - Gemini and Magichine 5600mah ones. I also added one of the magicshine 818 tail lights running off the same battery, so I imagine that extra draw is causing the voltage to drop low enough to kick off the low battery warning early.

    Assuming that's the case, would moving to a 6 cell battery pack resolve the problem, or do I need a different kind of 4 cell pack?
    The flutter your discribing is the low voltage warning. It reacts to voltage at the light which could be different than at the battery if your running through an extension cable or the connections are bad. But assuming that's not the problem then I need to ask how long the light runs after warning you? If it's 30 minutes or more then I'd say the battery has capacity but can't keep up with the load. The tail light would add to the problem even in flash mode. A 6 cell pack or higher capacity pack would help.
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    On the ride tonight, it the light lasted at least another 20 mins on high after I first noticed the flash. The light never died - I just happened to finish the trail at that point and switched back to low for the road commute home. I am running an extension cable as the light is on the helmet, and using the y-connector for the taillight - so lots of connections along the way.

    I'll experiment without the tail light and see how that impacts the run time. The magicshine is nice, but I've had complaints from riding buddies about it being too bright. I can save it for the rare longer road commute and go back to a self contained flasher for normal rides...
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    Definitely seem to be related to the extra draw from the MJ-818 taillight. Running without the taillight, I got ~2:40 on high with no flashing out of the same battery pack that was flashing ~0:45 before.

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    Who is using dual X2's (1 on the bars and 1 on the helmet), and how does it work for you?

    I'm considering these setups:
    1) dual X2 lights
    2) X2 on bars and X1 on helmet
    3) or going with Dinotte instead of Gloworm

    Thoughts?

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    I'm using X2 on bars and X1 on helmet. I personally would not want another X2 on helmet - I feel the X1 punches further down the trail than the x2 and is a better helmet light. It provides an excellent compliment to the X2's slightly wider (even with 2 super spot optics loaded in X2) beam pattern. I'm sure 2 X2's would be great but the X1/X2 combo is really a spectacular mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    I'm using X2 on bars and X1 on helmet. I personally would not want another X2 on helmet - I feel the X1 punches further down the trail than the x2 and is a better helmet light. It provides an excellent compliment to the X2's slightly wider (even with 2 super spot optics loaded in X2) beam pattern. I'm sure 2 X2's would be great but the X1/X2 combo is really a spectacular mix.
    Thanks, this is useful advice. Do you not feel the X1 is underpowered when trying to look down the trail? How's the beam pattern on the X1? And you are using 2 spot optics on the X2? Because I was wondering if anyone was using 2 flood optics instead on the bars, and how that might work.

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    Underpowered? Not at all. I actually feel the X1 throws light further down the trail. The light is more concentrated, and appears "brighter" against any given object in my field of view. The trade-off being the X1's beam pattern is simply not as wide as the X2's, so there is not as much peripheral view/spill from the X1. That's why I feel they work together so well. X2 for flood/spill, and X1 for throw/punch.

    Also, my X2 is loaded with 2 spots, to gain as much throw as possible from the unit, yet the X1 still throws light further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    Thanks, this is useful advice. Do you not feel the X1 is underpowered when trying to look down the trail? How's the beam pattern on the X1? And you are using 2 spot optics on the X2? Because I was wondering if anyone was using 2 flood optics instead on the bars, and how that might work.
    Flood optics on this light don't work. I've had 2 light-heads (one s/s, one f/f) side by side and there was no detectable difference in beam width, the s/s light was just a little brighter and had more throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Flood optics on this light don't work. I've had 2 light-heads (one s/s, one f/f) side by side and there was no detectable difference in beam width, the s/s light was just a little brighter and had more throw.
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    Good to know, thanks.

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    Currently working on a replacment lens with flood beam options for the XS. I got this one done earlier but ruined it while trying to polish out the machining marks and make it crystal clear again. Trying again as I type. If anyone knows a way to polish plastic with groves I'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Currently working on a replacment lens with flood beam options for the XS. I got this one done earlier but ruined it while trying to polish out the machining marks and make it crystal clear again. Trying again as I type. If anyone knows a way to polish plastic with groves I'm all ears.

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    Wow! Looking forward to hearing how it works. Is that going to mount externally? My XS light-head should arrive tomorrow or Monday and I ordered a couple of Actions wide-angle lenses to experiment with. I plan to cut down the lens to cover the middle optic, drill holes to match the bolt pattern on the bezel and attach externally with longer screws. I'll post pics when done.
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    If you guys what to follow along with the wide angle lens project then head over to the XS thread because I toss it all over there since I'm working with an XS for now. I'll consider a X2 version if this gets some good feedback.
    Gloworm XS are you getting one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    Currently working on a replacment lens with flood beam options for the XS. I got this one done earlier but ruined it while trying to polish out the machining marks and make it crystal clear again. Trying again as I type. If anyone knows a way to polish plastic with groves I'm all ears.

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    Wow! Absolutely amazing. Don't know if I'd want to put one of these on one of the Gloworms but I'd love to try one of those on one of the Solarstorm X2-X3 or XT40.
    Looks like I'll have to follow that thread a bit more to see how these turn out.

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    I have just received my new X2 v3with the new style gopro detachable bracket, I must say for the high cost of the light I am a little surprised how cheap the bracket material looks! I am a little worried that this will get busted very quickly! The slot where the elastic strap feed through have very thin edges! Any feed back from any one who have been using the new mount. The small foot print of the bracket is giving me problem to secure the bracket on my Recon661 helmet, this appear to wobble as I don't want to pull to hard on the strap in fear of breaking the mount! Apart from that this look great so far, plenty of lumens, your help will be appreciated

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    I just got mine today and sort of scratched my head at the helmet mount too.

    I am thinking of using the handlebar mount on the helmet like this. Seems pretty solid


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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0003.jpgI got mine secured with zip ties on the visor, not ideal, I have left my solarstorm x2 on it for a very quick beam and brightness level check up in my back garden, first quick impression on it, there is not a lot in it for the huge difference in price BUT one should not forget that for money, you get a lot more as well as quality from Gloworm!
    Still now that I have both, it will be interesting to make a direct comparison!
    The fixing is temporary as well as all the cables !

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    Looks designed for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyraider59 View Post
    The fixing is temporary as well as all the cables !
    God I hope so, because that's a hot mess!

    I am also debating the position, between

    • Higher on the helmet. Pros: better weight balance and less neck strain
    • Lower in the front. Pros: less likely to get whacked by a tree.


    I'm leaning toward higher, and just remember to tip my head sideways when going under obstacles.

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    I ordered mine a month or two ago, so maybe the design had changed, but mine has a very robust metal bracket for helmet mounting. There was a plastic quick release mount, but I have a dedicated night riding helmet so I never looked at it much.

    On weight distribution, the light is so light I don't notice it at all mounted low on the front of the helmet. Only counter balance I have is a small led rear light.

    I've been very pleased with mine so far. Great light output. Nice, compact mount. Handles the heat better than other small light options I've tried. It is expensive compared to the cheapest Chinese stuff, but still a lot cheaper than what we were paying for lights twice the size and half the output a few years back, and I do enough night riding year round to feel like it's a very cheap investment to add a ton of riding time to my life.

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    Thanks for you feedback, the one I got is their latest version 2015. The Gopro style bracket maybe ok,but the plastic to me look cheap, I may be totally wrong and time will tell! Like you, all the MTB'ing I do are evening ride and most of them in darkness as day are a little shorter here in the UK, despite the fact that I have ridden very happily with high power single led flashlights for a very long time, I got some Solarstorm X2 couple of years ago 2 out of 3 sets had problems within a few days, one set has been very reliable, but this year i decided to treat myself to high end light to see what it is all about! Will send feed back on my experience next year and maybe a review if I get the time

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    GoPro mounts from Jim on Giro Xen. I used curved self-adhesive QR mount, the adhesive required some trimming to fit helmet shape.
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    Gloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0002.jpgGloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0003.jpgGloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0004.jpgGloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0005.jpgGloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0006.jpgGloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0007.jpgGloworm X2 v3 ( XM-L2) Who's In?-img_0010.jpgPhotos of my set for my first night ride with my GWX2,

    still not happy with its position, I think I will have to make myself an adapter plate to the profile of my Recon helmet to get the light further back.

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    I also added helmet pictures from behind to my previous post.

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    Peter This is pretty neat, I am just a little concerned using self-adhesive mount, I ride mainly in the forest and there is a lot off low branches on our trails, on Friday night, I had my side mounted contour head cam wiped of its mounting by a low branch. I kind of fear that the sticky stuff is not going to be man enough.
    I am also intrigued by your battery pack, can you tell us more :-)

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    I had spare new Sanyo cells on hand, so I bought X1 and X2 lightheads only and I did 2-cell and 4-cell battery packs myself. 2-cell pack is for helmet mount (on the picture) with X1 lighthead, 4-cell pack is for X2 lighthead for bike use. Battery packs have JST service connector to balance each cell during charging with programmable RC battery charger that also allows to charge the battery as quickly as allowed in Sanyo cell datasheet. Service connector is also used for cell voltage monitoring during the ride, acoustic alarm is set to 20% of remaining battery capacity (the weakest cell), so the pack can be placed in the backpack or on the helmet and alarm is still hearable. The only downside is that I have to disconnect the voltage monitor/alarm from the battery if it's not in use due to the quiescent current (parasitic drain), but that's really not an issue .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG View Post
    I had spare new Sanyo cells on hand, so I bought X1 and X2 lightheads only and I did 2-cell and 4-cell battery packs myself. 2-cell pack is for helmet mount (on the picture) with X1 lighthead, 4-cell pack is for X2 lighthead for bike use. Battery packs have JST service connector to balance each cell during charging with programmable RC battery charger that also allows to charge the battery as quickly as allowed in Sanyo cell datasheet. Service connector is also used for cell voltage monitoring during the ride, acoustic alarm is set to 20% of remaining battery capacity (the weakest cell), so the pack can be placed in the backpack or on the helmet and alarm is still hearable. The only downside is that I have to disconnect the voltage monitor/alarm from the battery if it's not in use due to the quiescent current (parasitic drain), but that's really not an issue .
    This is cool, I wish I could build such a set up, audible alarm, brilliant for an helmet light!!!!
    I did look into buying just the X2 head from Action Led lights, but one posted to the UK the difference in price from a full kit here was not enough to do it, so I pulled the trigger on the kit, not disappointed as I have got a quality battery now

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    Note: I have had issues with the V1 and V2 of Gloworm products.

    I wish I would have waited to buy Gloworm products until they perfected their wire selection. Cronic issues with cold weather use and wire insulation cracking/fraying wires has me sending my lights/batteries back in for service for the 4th time. The lights live on my helmet and bars, and its not like I am swapping them around constantly.

    Jim @ Action LED has be AWESOME helping me out, but now considers my lights to be out of warranty. So another week of no riding and $40-50 for the repair and shipping.

    Sometimes is SUCKS to be an early adopter.
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    I developed a wire problem with my battery too. Jim fixed it free off charge. I thought that maybe I caused it even though I know not to pull on the wires. This is a pity to hear, especially for those who take the necessary care to treat there equipment properly.

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    You make it sound like gloworm "HAS" at this point perfected their wiring. If you've sent your units in for repair Jim should be hooking you up with the latest wires so your no worse off then those of us buying now. Gloworms wire setup is far from perfect when compared to other high end lights but they are on the right track. Here are a few improvements is like to see.

    1. longer Cable, yes longer and I'll keep repeating myself until they are long enough to reach my thumb without stressing the Y junction.

    2. Get rid of the Y junction and go to two seperate cables out of the unit, ether from the same port or two ports like the battery on the rear and button on the side. The short cables and Y create a weak point that is bound to fail eventually.

    3. Higher quality cables maybe a little thicker and more flexable housing. I made my own cables with 100+ stand 22ga wires and high quality shrink wrap. The end result was nearly identical what what you see on Lupine lights. Unfortunately when I tried wilding the new wire to the board I burnt something on the board out and paper weighted my light. I think next time I'll try and get a pro to solder on my cable so I don't **** it up.

    I did a 12hr race this past weekend which included about 2.5hrs of darkness. I let three riders borrow and share my extra X2's for thier helmets and that super flood magicshine for the bars. Now they are all hooked and I have a group order going in next week for 3 sets of X2's and XS's. I think if gloworm started offering demos like night rider and others their product would catch on much faster. The biggest thing everyone liked was remote button mounted to the side of the helmet so they did have to reach way up top and chance moving the angle of the light. Now gloworm needs to step up their game and match their cable quality to the the rest of thier unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyraider59 View Post
    Peter This is pretty neat, I am just a little concerned using self-adhesive mount, I ride mainly in the forest and there is a lot off low branches on our trails, on Friday night, I had my side mounted contour head cam wiped of its mounting by a low branch. I kind of fear that the sticky stuff is not going to be man enough.
    I am also intrigued by your battery pack, can you tell us more :-)
    If you use real Gopro bases they come with a high end two side tape that if applied correctly and given 24hr to set will hold your light longer then the cheap plastic side mount. If you hit the light on anything the mount arm would break long before your ripped off the tape. You can even buy the same 3m tape in a 1" wide roll online and reuse your base plates again and again. There was even a modern marvels TV episode on how crazy strong that tape is and how they use it in extreme conditions to hold editor building panels on when they don't want screws showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RojoRacing53 View Post
    ...The biggest thing everyone liked was remote button mounted to the side of the helmet so they did have to reach way up top and chance moving the angle of the light...
    That is one of the main advantages that separates Gloworm from the rest. This alone is enough reason for me not to really bother with other lights. Once you try it, you are hooked by the simplicity and comfort. It's a winner.

    I think Gloworm might be promoting at races in NZ. Hopefully they can get the necessary resources or infrastructure in place (not much needed to get this off the ground I think) to promote it here in the US. They can become pretty big and successful if they do. They need more presence at races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbean View Post
    That is one of the main advantages that separates Gloworm from the rest. This alone is enough reason for me not to really bother with other lights. Once you try it, you are hooked by the simplicity and comfort. It's a winner.

    I think Gloworm might be promoting at races in NZ. Hopefully they can get the necessary resources or infrastructure in place (not much needed to get this off the ground I think) to promote it here in the US. They can become pretty big and successful if they do. They need more presence at races.

    I thought about approaching them about setting up a demo tent at the several 12hr and 24hr races I do a year. Then after more thought I realized as a solo racer myself I just would have the time to man the station. The best I could do is provide some setup support and advice to the riders as well as promote the product on the top step of the podium. I also take part in a ton of weekly night rides so if they gave me a couple extra lightsets a to loan out to new riders and others with inferior lights they'd probably turn around and buy their own gloworms after getting hooked. That's basically what happened this weekend. The people I ride with know my reputation for going fast at night and know I only run products I believe are the best, so after a single demo they all want what I have.

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